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Anchor Babies And The Illegal 14th

May 21, 2010 by  

Anchor Babies And The Illegal 14th

The response is still pouring in to my column last week on our immigration policies. Or rather, our lack of same. If you haven’t read Arizona, Si! Obama, No! and want to get caught up on the topic, just click here.

When you finish reading my column be sure to scroll down to the bottom and read some of the hundreds of comments that readers have posted. You will be very impressed by the passion and, yes, the wisdom shown by many writers. They may be a cantankerous bunch, as I’ve said before, but there is no question that they are motivated by a fierce dedication to our country and the principles on which it was founded. I’d sleep better at night if more of them were on guard in Washington instead of the pathetic bunch of compromisers we’ve got now.

I don’t think there was anything in that column or the comments that followed that most readers would find shocking or unbelievable. Maybe something contrary to their own passionately held beliefs, sure, but there is nothing there that is startling, outrageous or even extremely controversial.

Today’s column will be different.

This week I want to discuss two important corollaries to last week’s column. The first is something that is almost never mentioned in this debate, but should be. The second is something that I have never seen raised. But it’s at the heart of much that has gone wrong in this country during the last 150 years.

Let’s begin with one of the most startling aspects of our present immigration crisis:

It is the official policy of the United States government that any child, born in this country to illegal immigrants, automatically and immediately becomes a citizen of the United States.

Not only that, but by becoming a newly franchised citizen, that infant is permitted to sponsor American citizenship for its mother, father and other relatives.

Such infants are sometimes referred to as “anchor babies,” because their immediate and automatic citizenship is the “anchor” on which a host of other claims, from welfare to the citizenship of others can be made.

On the face of it, this sounds patently absurd. How can a newborn baby be eligible for citizenship when his or her parents are not? Not merely eligible, mind you, but granted it automatically?

Many of us have grandparents or great-grandparents who overcame incredible obstacles to become citizens of this country. Before they were accepted they had to pass a rigorous and demanding test. The questions they were asked, and their answers, had to be in English.

As an essential part of the process every immigrant was required to renounce allegiance to the country he or she had left and to swear allegiance to his newly adopted home—the United States of America. And every new citizen was thrilled to do so.

There was a solemn ceremony, often conducted by a judge sitting high on a bench above them, issuing the oath of allegiance. Friends and family welcomed the new citizens with hugs and tears and enthusiastic applause.

That is what citizenship for an immigrant used to mean. But today we are required to bestow it on anyone whose mother can sneak across our border a few hours before her baby is born. That is absolutely insane.

The new citizen is immediately entitled to all the benefits that accompany citizenship—schooling, medical care, food stamps and other welfare and a whole host of “public assistance.”

Moreover, that new citizen is now entitled to invite other family members—mother and father, aunts and uncles, cousins and grandparents, nephews and nieces—to come visit them in their newly adopted country and even apply for citizenship here.

How did such utter craziness come to be accepted as the law of the land?

Well, the first thing you need to know is that there is no such law.

If you ask how automatic citizenship for babies born to illegal immigrants came about you’ll be told that the 14th Amendment requires it.

This is a flat-out lie. But it’s a lie that’s been promoted by those who want to overturn the established laws and customs of our country. It’s a lie that the highest officials in this country—from the White House on down—pretend is true.

Let me share some important history with you. The 14th Amendment was proposed by Congress at the end of the Civil War. Its purpose was to make sure that newly enfranchised blacks were not denied the rights of citizenship when they returned to their homes in states that comprised the former Confederacy.

Sadly, the 14th Amendment is worded so vaguely that an activist court—spurred on by politically motivated attorneys—can interpret it almost any way it chooses. Here’s the relevant section:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

But what does “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” mean? If you do a little research on the topic you’ll discover that this amendment was most emphatically not meant to include the children of aliens—even if their parents were in this country legally. Lawmakers assumed that since their parents were subject to the jurisdiction of the country where they were citizens—that is, their native country—so were their offspring, no matter where they were born.

Ah, but if you do a little more research, you’ll discover a secret that’s been kept out of our history books for more than 100 years:

There are compelling reasons to believe that the 14th Amendment was never legally adopted by a sufficient number of states to make it a valid part of our Constitution. This is why the second part of today’s column is called “the Illegal 14th.”

First we begin with the fact that the Southern states never left the union. Oh, I’ll admit they tried to. We fought a terrible war over the issue. But Abraham Lincoln refused to recognize the Confederacy as a separate, legitimate government. Instead, he fought the war to keep the Confederacy from seceding. When the North won, Lincoln was ready to welcome the South back “with malice toward none.”

But if the Southern states never left the Union, then as soon as hostilities ended, those states and their citizens were entitled to all of the promises and protections of the U.S. Constitution. With me so far?

In the aftermath of the war all of the states that had comprised the Confederacy reformed their state governments, including both branches of their legislatures. (Remember, the Constitution guarantees every state “a republican form of government.”)

When the Federal Congress approved the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery, and submitted it to the states, it was promptly ratified by most of the states in the former Confederacy and became part of our Constitution.

But this was not enough for the Radical Republicans (as they were called then) who controlled Congress. They wanted to punish the South. Even more important, they didn’t want the Southern states sending people to Congress who would oppose their plans for Reconstruction. So they proposed the 14th Amendment.

I can find no evidence that the 14th Amendment was ever approved by a two-thirds majority of the House and the Senate as the Constitution requires. In fact, there were plenty of contemporaries back in 1878 who said it was not. Nevertheless, the Radical Republican majority approved a resolution saying it had passed and submitted it to the states.

Six states that had approved the 13th Amendment balked at approving the 14th. The legislatures of Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina and South Carolina said “no!” (So, incidentally, did New Jersey and Ohio.)

The Radicals in Washington were furious. They promptly approved a series of bills, called the Reconstruction Acts that divided the former Confederacy into 10 military districts. The legislatures of each state were ordered dismissed “by force of arms” and were replaced by political hacks appointed by the Federal army of occupation. Seven of these military-controlled bodies then did as they were told and “ratified” the 14th Amendment.

These “rump” governments were a far cry from “the republican form of government” that the Constitution guaranteed each state. Our Founding Fathers would have been aghast at what was done in the aftermath of that very un-civil war. And they wouldn’t have agreed for a second that any “vote” by these so-called legislatures could authorize a change to the Constitution.

But change it they did. When news of these coercive measures reached Washington, Secretary of State William Seward at first refused to ratify the amendment. He was quickly brought into line by the Radical Republicans in Congress however, and on July 20, 1868, he dutifully proclaimed that the 14th Amendment was now part of our Constitution.

And here’s something you probably never considered: The effects of this nefarious bit of legislative chicanery go far beyond citizenship for a few million children of illegal immigrants.

Bet you didn’t know that the 14th Amendment has been used by the Supreme Court as the legal justification for banning prayer in public schools… or authorizing abortion on demand… for requiring the forced busing of children… or scores of other usurpations of power by our central government.

If you’ve stayed with me this far I’m sure you’re saying to yourself, “Can this possibly be true? And if it is, how is it possible that the legality of the 14th Amendment has never been challenged in the courts?”

My answer to the first question is, “Yes, I believe it is true. The 14th Amendment was never legally ratified.”

My answer to the second is, “I don’t know.” I have not been able to find any record that any Federal court has ever issued a ruling on the adoption of “the illegal 14th.” I can’t even find evidence of the issue being raised in a lawsuit filed in a Federal court.

I can understand why those who benefit from today’s Goliath Government want to keep this issue swept under the heaviest rug they can find. But where have the conservative and libertarian talk shows, think tanks, advocacy groups and tax-free foundations been for the past 50 years? Have any of them raised this issue? Written articles about it? Made even a peep of protest?

If they have, I’m not familiar with it. If you know otherwise please tell me, because I really would like to know.

And so should every American who’s concerned about the future his country.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • American liberal

    I’m not saying anyone that believes the constitution should be taken exactly as written is bad or evil or stupid … I’m saying I disagree…that’s all…

  • http://none drotterman

    Why have Americans become so mean-spirited? What happened to our charity and compassion, something we were renowned for? Aren’t we all Earthlings first, Human Beings, second, and then Americans? Don’t we want to help those lesser than ourselves? What happened to the Brotherhood of Man? All I hear in this article and most of the replies is a bunch of greedy, bullies. I got mine and you’ll just have to suffer to get yours. What are we, a bunch of three year olds? It makes me embarrassed to call myself an American.

    • gary

      Drotterman I can help you with that one. We have been taken advantage and abused too many times and now we are tired of it and getting cranky.

    • Abisola

      when foreigners walk into our country and started telling us what to do with our laws. When did compassion turn into stupidity and collective national suicide?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Being a kind person and a Christian, does not mean being a doormat and letting people walk all over you and wipe their feet on you. There are legal ways in place for all to come over here and enjoy life here, just as my ancestors did. If I ever say, want to move to Australia, and become a citizen there, I cant just sneak in, call it good, and expect them to take care of me. No, I need to go through channels, make it legal, and do what I am supposed to do to make it so. If people want to come here, and dont want to do it legally, just flood in, stomp out our culture and replace it with their culture, it is a one way ticket to destruction for this country. Im sorry you cannot see that. It right in front of you. It has nothing to do with being caring, kind, nice, Christian or anything. It has to do with being a criminal lawbreaker of this country’s laws, or being a law abiding citizen.

      • CurtisS

        Yeah, Beberoni, the REAL reason you can’t sneak into Australia is because it’s thousands of miles away in the middle of an ocean. How did you plan on sneaking onto an island? What a horrible analogy!
        The problem isn’t about skin color or culture, it’s about poverty. Don’t you remember reading about poverty in your Bible? Change the laws, change enforcement but racist whining and poor analogies are useless.

    • http://personalliberty.com RChick

      In case you haven’t noticed, there limited money with which to be “compassionate.” These issues were all but ignored when there was plenty of money being made. Now that out treasuries are depleted and the government spending hasn’t stopped, the average American is looking at where the money is going. Why should the American taxpayer be “compassionate” with money, goods, and services when many are struggling to maintain the same lifestyle being given to those here illegally? You should be proud of America because it is starting to open it eyes and be involved in what’s going on.

    • WeatherMike

      D-man — You prompted me to express— To those who read this — may your patience be rewarded with some new insights.

      Actually – not so much ‘greedy’ or ‘bullies’.
      What are you smoking re: ‘brotherhood of man’….have you counted the current number of wars with REAL bullets and killing, murder, rape, pillage that are occurring As We Speak? the closest one is in northern Mexico – where thousands of people are murdered each year in cities just south of El Paso, Tx, Nogales, Az, San Diego, CA, Brownsville, Tx, and many smaller border towns. The DRUG Cartels are ‘in control’ — or ‘living inside the Chaos that is running amok’.

      Do you use illegal drugs? Do you know someone who does? THEY are the root cause of the above identified instance of “non-brotherhood of man” because they FUND the illegal drug traffic.
      Next Example – comes Politicians who believe that Taking from Compliant Law-Abiding people is the right of the elected (but in their minds, elevated) elite. And re-distributing those ill-gotten gains based upon their collective whims, and the Loudest Lobby-ist Voices (read Money $$$$$ here). This is an example of Brotherhood — of the vilest kind — brotherhood of the elite, or an in-sider group. Vile – because they pad their own hide exceedingly, by making sure that some of their ill-gotten gain is directed their way – before and along side of the foolishness they put in place via government spending.
      Government is supposed to do a limited set of activities and duties: Not to include the VAST and Intrusive dictates upon human activity that federal government has become (globally too).
      There is a proverb that goes something like this, “He who rules himself well, needs not external rules [to guide him]“. The anti-corollary to this is obvious, “He who does not rule himself well, needs external rules [to guide him]“.
      There is one more Hegellian corollary to this, “New rules must be made which the well-ruled person must now comply with — because we [elites in control] can not have self-ruled and self-reliant people setting examples to the rest of the sheeple (that is sheep-people) that they can be self-ruled and self-reliant”.

      I suggest that your utopian ‘brotherhood of man’ is a non-plausible pipe dream Because, men who are without internal discipline, (e.g., such as people who illegally enter another country, and politicians who take an Oath of Office, but who pander to the highest bidders — not performing the will of the people who elected them, …) do not qualify for Or even Care to promote your ‘brotherhood of man’ world.

      Do you actually believe that the promoters of the 1965 change to US immigration which codified the birth of babies in this country as automatic citizens (based on the 14th amendment)- cared one whit for the baby or the family? No Way! Follow the MONEY. AND Understand the World Elite purpose to elliminate national sovereignty from the face of the Earth. Their express goal is a World population of ~500 million (not the current 6+ billion) and 10 global economic zones – Not nations. North America is one of those Zones – Not the US or Canada or Mexico (AKA The North American Union).

      So – to bring a union about — you NEED to break down the walls — AND ther is NO Better Way than to allow un-restricted immigration. The US is in the cross hairs of the “end to national sovereignty crowd”.
      Here’s a thought — if you have a family and you want to engineer a change 2 generations forward on the percentage of naturally born members of the family versus adopted, Do THis:
      1. abort 25% of the pregnancies
      2. replace the unborn aborted pregnancies with adopted children
      After 2 generations, what is the mix of natural born versus adopted.
      To make this easier make the family of 10 adults (5 Male, 5 Female).
      1 female past child bearing. 4 Females able to bear children. Allow 2 pregnancies per Female. Abort 1/4th –> only 6 natural born children.
      Replace the 2 aborted with 2 adopted.
      Family total: 10 + 6(3 male, 3 female) + 2(1 Male and 1 Female).
      Next Gen: 8 child bearing Adults (4 Male(one adopted) and 4 Female- one is adopted). These 8 get married but each adopted marries an adopted from another family — not a natural born.
      Results: 16 Adults (8 couples w/no intermarrying). Use same percentages: 25% of pregnancies aborted — but only of the Natural Born females. The adopted females do not abort their pregnancies.
      8 Females – 2 adopted and 6 Natural born: each have 2 pregnancies.
      4 child born to 2 adopted females; 6 Nat born females have 12 pregnancies and abort 1/4th = 3, results in 9 nat born children. Adopt 3 children to replace the missing 3 aborted.
      Here’s the demographics:
      2 original parents – dead
      8 orginal nat born Adult offspring and spouses +6 nat born + 2 adopted
      Plus spouses of the 2nd gen in same proportion of nat born and adopt – which is 6 nat born + 2 adopted
      And their children: 4 born to the adopted couples
      9 nat born to nat born couples
      3 new adopted child
      You can see how quickly the composition of the family has changed from all Natural born to 7 adopted and adopted born versus 9 nat born. That is almost 50-50. You Know what the next generation is going to look like – the adopted and child of adopted will out-number the natural born children.

      This is exactly what is happening in the US. This is not an accident. This is designed. How else could we have allowed the nearly 40 million illegals and children to run amok in this country – without the expected enforcement of the law of naturalization. Police were told to LOOK the OTHER WAY.

      The REALLY sad and BAD part of this design — is that its purpose is to CHANGE the US – to remove historical memory of who we are and why this country was founded. Illegals don’t know and don’t care. Children of illegals know all about La Raza and Cinco de Mayo — but nothing about the religious and politcal foundations and beliefs of the people who founded this country. These children were just dropped into this place — and are pampered with never having to really learn English (classes in Spanish), etc., etc., etc., etc. But We have to read labels in English and Spanish on everything. That REALLY steams me.

      Back to the point: The walls of natural boundaries have just about crumbled. The End-Game of the Elites to eliminate national sovereignty is now being played out. The Elites and politicains don’t believe that the 70% of people who support Arizona will really STAND UP and do anything about it. AND They are SCREAMING to STOP Arizona. The GOAL of the North American Union is just around the corner. There will emerge a Mexico-US-Canada triad which will become one-economic zone — because the destruction of the dollar will require a new currency and we will be too poor to say or do anything about it. Besides — illegals have every thing to gain and nothing to lose – they are ready for it. Amnesty will ensure it.

      REALLY VILE TRUTH: Collateral damage (death of millions) is OK with the World Elite – especially those pesky US citizens who keep holding onto their ideals about self-rule and governance and God too. Afterall, their (World Elite) stated goal is less than a billion people on the planet — which means some 5+ billion are planned for elimination. (Check out the Club of Rome and follow the threads, all the way to the Georgia Guide Stones).

      REALLY COOL TRUTH: Notice to the Elites: Man is haughty and prideful and actually believes he is in control (you). But there is a different reality – one of hope and justness – and a power greater than mere man waving his fist defiantly in the air. Read the Bible as history – and verify versus archeology and museums around the world of the accuracy of the text. Then consider who the author really is and the warnings expressed (ref. Psalm 1 and Romans 1 in the Bible). Then consider that your lives are almost over and eternity is a LONG time to sit in any hell-jail versus an alternative of being free. “Make your choice wisely, Dr. Jones” (ahem..from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade).

      Last thought D-man:
      I suppose that if you are embarrassed to be a US citizen, then you are thin-skinned, weak (without convictions)and have believed CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC and OOhhbama — you are a perfect pawn in the Elite’s game — stay through the pain and become a member of the NAU (north american union), at which time you will not be embarassed by the ‘former’ US – if that actually happens. Or throw off your shackles and stand-up for your children and grandchildren – and tell the elite – No, I want to live in freedom, not tyranny and fear.

    • tim

      Drotterman, you are exactly right…….it’s a …ME ME ME, America, that I see now………

      Thank God, there are alot of compassionate Americans who want to help, the lesser of them………

      Or, in the Conservative vernacular………..WELFARE………….

    • http://aol wayne a

      drotterman,do live in a fairy tale? what part of illegal don’t you understand?we have 20 million,illegal,undocumented people that crossed our borders illegally which makes them criminals.they use our schools,our hospitals.our welfare sys.,our er’s,our liberies,free because most don’t pay taxes.they’re mex uneducated,poor,unskilled people whom contributes significantly to our crime rate,they’re unlicensend,uninsured so they contribute to our rising insurance rates……. so we’re suppose to welcome the illegal hispanics with open arms? BS!

    • Angel

      When a law is imposed and an American is FORCED to have to pay for things for others that need…it ceases to be charity. Charity comes from the heart and is done as an act of love…you do it because you WANT to…not because you are FORCED to!

  • American liberal

    Pete… Thanks…it’s just my opinin… Could it be wrong?.. You bet it could… But I’m thinking we have to apply the constitution as to our living condictions today…

    • CJ

      Here’s how you need to adjust your thinking. You don’t change the interpertation of the Constitution, you determine if the laws in place are acceptable under the Constitution, as ammended, then decide if other laws need to be written, constitutionally, to cover the new situation. It’s really that simple. Liberals just want to make it difficult.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And just what the hell ever happened to common sense. You have the state of California overrun with these guys, bankrupt trying to take care of all them, sucking money out of other states via the Federal Government because of this, and Arizona attempting to stop them from sucking them dry. It is illegal, so what happened to the common sense that says if its illegal, its illegal, and send them back. No letting rotten arse lawyers prostitute what the 14th amendment says and reading it they way they want it to read. What the hell happened to common sense? Its about as stupid as wanting to sit down and talk with terrorists who have avowed to kill us, and will die trying to kill us. Yet we do that also. Amazing. And stupid.

      • tim

        CJ, I agree with your basic idea, but, the conservatives, especially lately, and on this Blog, want to return us to our “Tea Party” days………..and to the time of our Founding Fathers……………Too many things have changed and there have been too many advances to ignore the fact, that we have interpret the Constitution, as it applies to modern times………And your’e right, that could come in the form of amendments or whatever………

    • JohntheMick

      Give up the liberal label. Your group is never wrong. Are you in rehab ?

    • http://aol wayne a

      amer liberal love your spelling

  • chucky

    Anyone with a half of a brain knows that if you drop a baby over the boarder while you are here illegally, The child is a citizen of the country you the parent are a citizen of(not The United States). An example would be take it the other way around. You are an american citizen and you and your pregnant wife take a cruise to bermuda. on the way your wife gives birth. Does that mean that now the child born is now a citizen of the international waters? OF COURSE NOT. Come here with papers and go through citizenship the LEGAL way and You give birth.By all means that child born is an American citizen. NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY SPIN IT ,NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY SUGAR COAT IT. SETTLE FOR NOTHING LESS THAN TOTAL DEPORTATION. AMERICA NEEDS TO BE TAKEN BACK BY WE THE PEOPLE. ANY POLITICIANS WHO STOOD IN OVATION FOR EL PRESIDENTE CALDERON YESTERDAY COMMITTED TREASON YESTERDAY IN MY EYES. YOU PLACED YOUR HAND ON THE BIBLE AND TOOK AN OATH TO UPHOLD AND PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. YOUR VOTE THIS NOVEMBER JUST MIGHT BE THE MOST VALUABLE OF ALL THE POSSESIONS YOU HOLD. GOD(OMG I SAID THE G WORD) BLESS AMERICA.

    • CJ

      Chucky, think you need to look into legal precedent. You can’t apply American law to other countries. Just because an American has a baby in another country, the citizenship of the child does not work in reverse if a foreigner has a baby in the US. The law of the country you are physically in applies. Study up, then get back with us.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The law doesnt not read that. Did you not read above about what the 14th amendment says? It has been prostituted by the lawyers, but the intent they are using it for is not there. Now go read, and get back to us.

    • Another Voice

      And this is why Barack Obama would be an American citizen even if he had been born in Kenya. He would be a natural born citizen because his mother was an American citizen.

      • libertytrain

        You Better go back and read the Constitutional requirements to be president ——

  • Mary

    Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal:

    You have 2 families…”Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”. Both families have 2
    parents, 2 children. “Joe Legal” works in construction, has a Social Security Number,
    and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted….”Jose Illegal” also works
    in construction, has “NO” Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

    Joe Legal…$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per
    year.

    Now take 30% away for state federal tax, Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

    Jose Illegal…$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per
    year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes… Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

    Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage $1000.00
    per month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

    Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and
    local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

    Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or welfare.
    Joe Legal pays for food $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe
    Legal now has $7,231.00

    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and
    Welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000.00 per month. $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal
    is now in the hole minus (-) $4,769.00

    Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal
    pays rent. $500.00 per month. $6,000.00 per year Jose Illegal still has
    $31,200.00

    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after
    work.

    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe
    Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a
    government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school
    ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services,
    but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

    Don’t vote/support any politician that supports illegal aliens…Its PAST
    time to take a stand for America and Americans!

    • American liberal

      Mary… I believe what your saying is the immigration laws should have been enforced over the last 50 years….and I agree….nobody without a visa, work permit or social security card and doesn’t pay taxes should ever be hired….. We agree….. Now we have to finally enforce that law….

      • CJ

        Am Lib, which law is that we need to enforce? The federal law the prohibits asking status of the school kids parents? Or any of the other federal laws that prohibit proving someone has legal right to subsidies? Are those the ones? Guess you weren’t watching when the school kid put the first lady on the spot with that one, huh?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        CJ,
        That kid said her mother didn’t have papers and what did ms. Obummer say? well we’ll have to fix that, won’t we? Why didn’t she say gee, that’s too bad!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree totally with you on this one. We have all these laws, such as its illegal to be in this country, illegally. Yet we dont enforce that, and and this current administration lets the president of Mexico come and lambast our government for taking action. I applaud the state of Arizona, and think all states should take whatever action they deem necessary, being that the federal government wont. I know this has been going on for many administrations before Obama’s, but he is the one that opened his big mouth and told Arizona and all the United States that “this is a bad law”, and that shows how weak he is. He should have been sending them a billion dollars of support to enforce this. I would not blame Arizona if it put a fence between it and its border with California, since California willingly and knowingly lets illegals flow into their state, and willingly and knowingly accepts money the Federal government takes from all us other states and pours it into California to take care of their illegals. I dont care how you word it, its wrong. Law is law, and it should be enforced. If its not going to be enforced, take it off the books and just let them take it all over faster and get it over with.

      • http://personalliberty.com RChick

        OH MY GOSH! I actually agree with a point this person wrote!!! You finally make a point using logic. Yes, the employers who give these undocumented people jobs should also be punished in addition to closing the borders and sending those who are here illegally back to their country. Keep reading these blogs, Am Lib. There may be hope for you yet!

      • Jana

        RChick.
        About 15 years ago my husband and 3 of his co-workers were sent to Mexico to work for a year.
        When they went to the proper place to obtain their work visa’s, it was about an hour before closing time. The Mexican official told them they would need to come back in the morning. My husband asked for his passport back and said he would bring it back in the morning then. The Official told him he needed to keep it and my husband said then he would,’t leave without it, that he would stay there. So the Official relenquished and gave him his passport, but the 3 other men left thiers there. The next morning each of the 3 men were charged $5,000. a piece to get back their passports. Of course since my dh had his with him he was able to get his visa and go.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        TO AMERICAN LIBERAL IN REPLY TO YOUR REPLY TO MARY,FINALLY I CAN AGREE WITH YOUR POST,THE LAW MUST BE UPHELD OR THEIR WILL BE CHAOS.

    • US Patriot

      Mary: I am glad to see that you reposted my orignial post of Joe Legal vs Jose Illegal. Thank You.

  • Meteorlady

    Maybe we can blame the 14th amendment, but we also have to blame the Mexican and south American governments for being corrupt and not taking care of the people they represent. Mexico is one of the most corrupt nations and the police are so corrupt that the drug lords just walk all over them. In fact, the drug cartels are protected by the police. So I find it repugnant that Calderon is here begging for help and asking us to give amnesty to people he is responsible for.

    The concept of Anchor Babies costs us BILLIONS of dollars a year. These people come across in border states, head for the hospital emergency rooms and have their babies free thus driving up our health care costs. Then they go home, wait a bit and run back over and claim free schooling, food stamps, welfare and get around $1500 per child. That’s a real deal for them in my book. One lady claims benefits for 8 children – that’s a really really good income for her living in Mexico. But hey, I’m sure she’s the only one doing this right?

    Our “laws” in this country and our Constitution have been so abused over the years that they now are interpreted by whatever court, party of political organization wants to challenge them.

    “Our country is made up of immigrations” is a phrase that get heaped on when we talk securing our borders and deporting those here illegally. Our great grandparents and grandparents signed up, stood in line to come here, got the go ahead and jumped on a ship and headed for America. They had to fill out forms IN ENGLISH, get a physical, have a sponsor that was responsible for them, and have enough money to support themselves in their new Country. There were no social welfare benefits and everyone went to work. They were for the most part, successful and fit into their new country quite well. I would say our country is better for those that came here, accepted us, and help make this country great.

    Fast forward to today. They just fill out a visa request, come here and claim political or economic asylum and get to stay. Or, better yet, the churches and charity organization sponsor them and once here help them to head for the welfare office to collect their benefits. Then people that believe they don’t have to stand in line and wait their turn just walk across with forged papers and go to work. Once here they also can get driver’s licenses from some of the most liberal states. The commit crimes, sell drug, work for cash, send hugh amounts of American dollars to their families in Mexico, use our hospital emergency rooms as their health care, and generally keep having more children than they can afford to take care of and feed. They do not value education, they have trashed our salaries – what once paid $20/40 per hour now pays $12/18 per hour. AND my personal favorite is “they pay taxes and contribute to the local economy”…. so not true. Most businesses in my area would be happy to see them gone as the shoplifting and theft would probably stop. We have meth labs and marijuana grows in our community and when raided they find automatic weapons and even hand grenades.

    As for the Constitution being a “living document” as Am Lib suggest, what a crock. That would say that all laws made in this country are living laws and can be changed to suit any court’s, organization or person’s political views. So if illegals are criminals because they have a “need” then I should be able to rob a bank and not get arrested because I really “needed” the money.

    Fact is we need to get this problem under control. It’s not just simple Mexicans and South Americans that are coming across our borders – it’s people from the middle east, terrorists and others that would harm this country. They start in South America, learn Spanish and continue through Mexico where they blend in with the illegals crossing our borders. Meanwhile the news media and our government COMPLETELY ignore this fact as if it doesn’t exist and I have to take my shoes off at the airport.

    SECURE our borders! Secure them now and stop the flow. Then stop the anchor babies, then deport ALL who are here illegally. EVERY single one that cross our borders illegally knows that they broke the law and I could care less if they have to go back to their home country. They can get in line like everyone else did to come here legally. We also need to set the quotas down and stop allowing them to collect any type of benefits, because we are being over run with immigrants and they are sucking our social services programs dry, setting up their own bankers, and working for cash – all this while collecting welfare benefits, living in subsidized housing and getting free health care.

    • cella

      1500 per child. Where in the world do you get that? Call your local welfare office, a family of 4 in Ohio gets 490 dollars a month plus food stamps. They also have to work 20 hours a week to get it. Quit watching FOX. go to the source and get the facts.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thats in Ohio. You take a 50,000 house in Ohio, move it to California, and plop it down, now its worth a half a million dollars. By the same means, their hand outs are much higher, as it is adjusted for the cost of living, so I wouldnt doubt this at all.

      • http://personalliberty.com RChick

        Come to Minnesota! People actually come from other states to “summer” (it’s too cold for them in the winter) here because the benefits are given out like condoms at a high school!!! I like to stay ignorant of how much a person receives in welfare here because if I knew, I’d completely lose it!

        I don’ mind helping someone if thy truly need it and are trying to better themselves, but this “living off the government” sucks! It not only hurts those who have to pay for it, but it makes the recipient an indentured servant to the political party or government who is buying their vote. So sad!

      • Smilee

        Poppycock, Even Pawlentys’s health commissioner after reviewing the records said an equal number on welfare people leave the state as come in the state each year and apply for welfare, but this BS keeps coming up with absolutely no facts to support it.

      • David

        No, you’re wrong there is an add-on for every child.There was a case in California where two illegal mothers with anchor babies “borrowed” each other’s children to milk the system for more money. Yes it is not a large amount that is paid but then again where does this financial aid come from.These programs were designed to aid American families who might have fallen upon hard times and needed a little help. They were never meant to be a lifestyle for those here illegally.
        The fact is that anyone not a citizen should not be eligible for any assistance paid for with tax-payer money.

      • http://aol wayne a

        lets see cella,1500 per child.have 5 children thats 7500 a month,alot more than the average american earns.food stamps,at least 1500 a month!all this for 20 hours aweek,sign me up.besides theres so many loopholes very few have to work the 20 hrs.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Cella,
        I’m from Ohio and I can only say one thing to your post…BS! I don’t know of anybody having to work 20 hrs a week to get their welfare here! I know one girl that gets 240 a month food stamps, is physically able to work, has no kids, and does NOTHING to get it. I know another woman that has two kids and she gets welfare and ADC and never works. Don’t give me that bs!!
        When I lived in Michigan, there was a girl right across the street that had two kids, got foodstamps, got ADC and death benefits on her late husband, and lived with a guy that was making about 1500 a month at a factory!! Dur to the fact that they were HEAVY drinkers, they were always broke by the 20 of the month!! There are people all over the country scamming the welfare system and making it hard for people that need a few months of help to get anything!!!

    • BigBadJohn

      Please do yourself a favor and pay attention. Clinton signed a welfare reform act in 1996.

      http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=1996_Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Reconciliation_Act

      In addition to massive funding cuts of $60 billion over six years in programs that would supply cash assistance and food stamps, the “reform” plan ends the welfare entitlement (the federal guarantee of assistance to the poor), requires recipients to find work within two years or perform community service, mandates a minimum of 30 work hours per week (for parents with children over age 6), imposes a lifetime limit on receipt of aid, and rewards states with financial bonuses for reducing their caseloads.

      http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-17-welfare-reform-cover_x.htm
      The law signed by President Clinton on Aug. 22, 1996, has transformed the way the nation helps its neediest citizens. Gone is the promise of a government check for parents raising children in poverty. In its place are 50 state programs to help those parents get jobs.

      In the 12 years since caseloads peaked at 5.1 million families in 1994, millions have left the welfare rolls for low-paying jobs. Nearly 1 million more have been kicked off for not following states’ rules or have used up all the benefits they’re allowed under time limits. Today, 1.9 million families get cash benefits; in one-third of them, only the children qualify for aid. About 38% of those still on welfare are black, 33% white and 24% Hispanic.

      • http://aol wayne a

        bigbad john,on paper it sounded good but your statics are way outdated,look it up its not even close!very,very few people have to work to collect.millions have been added since your outdated stats were printed.

      • http://Don'thaveone Sally

        You are half right. The law under Obummer repealed all of that work nonsense which costs federal tax payers 2.5 Billion per year. This is one of the laws that received over 800,000 votes to repeal and take it back to what you said. Another thing on the 1500 they were talking about it is not so much welfare but that is what they get per child under the age of 18 from SSI. We have the same problem but of course not as bad here in Florida as Arizona. And on control of the weapons that that idiot Calderon spoke about, before they can buy a weapon they have to be run through the system so the only place they are buying the weapons is thru the black market. Did you all know, that if you are caught as an illegal alien in Mexico that it is an automatic 2 year jail sentense and then that man had the aldacity to blast our laws and our don’t even want to grant him the title of President agreed – My blood is still boilding over that. But what can I do, I am just a LEGAL American Citizen. If you want to join the fun and vote weekly for an item you want cut from the budjet, go to http://www.republicanwhip.house.gov/youcut. If you join (it is free) weekly they will send you 5 cuts to select from and the one that gets the most votes are brought up in Concress to cut and then they will report back to you what happened. What was really an eye opener for me was they also send you the agenda for the house for the week, day by day. You won’t believe it!!!!!!! So much superflous stuff and nothing that has any merit. Now I see why Obama when he was a senator didn’t bother to show up or voted “present”. It is criminal.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Sally,
        I checked how my congressman voted and as usual, he voted to cut the wasteful spending!! This is why I don’t want term limits. He has always voted conservative! It could take years to find another in my district to do that!!

  • American liberal

    Conservative from birth… They document was signed…so would that ” ratify” it… I’m a little confused about arguments I’ve seen on this site that we should abide by the constitution as the founders wrote it in 1776( I disagree)… And now were discussing if we really want to grant citizenship to ” anyone born here”…… I belive that supports my opinion that the constitution applys to our current living situation and not as it was written in 1776…I’d be open to discussing changing the 14th amendment …is it fair to use the birth of a child to gain citizenship?..I’m thinking it’s exploiting the child and abusing the intent of ” legal immigration”.

    • CJ

      No Am Lib, it doesn’t. You have the Constitution, as ammended. Period! Any laws written after that are subject to verification by the Supreme Court if they in violation. That’s it. You DON’T write laws to ammend the interpertation of the Constitution. You EXPAND the interpretation when new examples develop. But the basic intent remains. You can not go back and claim the founding fathers “intended” something when president is already set by prior decisions they did not intend it. This is what you want to do, change it to suite your daily whims. We are a nation of over 300 Million and there has to be a common thread to decide by. Because we are getting away from this ideal is why there is so much confusion. If nobody knows what the interpretation is, who can they know what to inforce?? All your concept breeds is confusion and lowers enforcement’s ability. Without consistancy, nothing gets accomplished. Hummm, wonder why so much isn’t getting accomplished???????

  • Pete

    American liberal says:
    May 21, 2010 at 6:09 am
    Pete… Then if were to take the constitution word for word as the letter of the law…. Then you’re saying you stand by the 14th amendment as it’s written and Anchor babys should stay the law…..and that the constitution should always be upheld the exact way it’s written… This that your position?….remember…. Women had no vote…. And Blacks were concidered property….
    My opinion is everything changes with time and we must adjust according to the current living condictions… In other words apply commonsense
    —————————
    I am starting to see you’re point more clearly. And amending the constitution “should be” difficult to do. And if people actually knew and understood the constitution , and lived and behaved accordingly, we probably wouldnt have to change it so often. I agree with changing the 14th to strike out the “Anchor baby” clause for sure. My only problem is that when we decide that we can change it to suite our whims-of -the day, the constitution becomes totally meaningless.

    • CJ

      Pete, although there is probably less than 10% of Am Lib’s points I feel are substantiated, I’m lost to your opinion. The Constitution IS difficult to change. And exactly what is the “Anchor Baby Clause” you refer to? I just read it again and I don’t see any clause. Are you saying we need to eliminate the first section of it? That would take another ammendment.

      • http://aol wayne a

        cj,the anchor baby clause is the 14th amendment

      • Smilee

        Far Right wingdings word for it, it id not a legit description

  • Mary

    I can say Obama is a thug, idiot, crooked moron. I am his cousin so I am entitled to talked about the piece of garbage that he is. He has done nothing to improve our country, just like all the other politician’s in Chicago, they would sell their souls for a quarter.

    • http://personalliberty.com RChick

      I have no way of knowing if you are, in fact, his cousin. But I would think that anyone related to PEBO (president-elect Barack Obama, as Chris Baker calls him) wouldn’t like him. Heck, his own auntie is in public housing in Boston and his brother lives in a hut in Africa. He made somewhere around $4 million the year he was campaigning for the presidency and his family has to either live off the government or in a less-than-desireable situation? What, he can’t help his own family? That shows you where his ideology comes from. Government first.

  • Joseph

    We need to fight to have the 14th Amendment changed to exclude illegals from becomming citizens of the U.S., where ever they come from.

    • chrisk

      ABSOLUTELY!!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Whats going to happen, is there is coming a time when Americans are going to get fed up, and we will have some sort of revolution on our hands, where innocent people are going to start getting shot because of what they look like, because of our governments lack of action on this. There is a breaking point to everything and everyone, and there is a day when the American citizen is going to have enough, and then its going to get ugly. Thanks to the liberal left, its going to happen sooner rather than later.

    • CJ

      Most laws, including ammendments to the Constitution, are fine AS WRITTEN. What is needed is intelligent application of them, not liberal attempts to streach the meaning until it becomes meaningless and unenforceable.

    • http://personalliberty.com RChick

      Fight to have it changed? We all know what radical change can do to this country. Why not have the process reviewed and figure out whether or not it really was pushed through instead of procedurally passed. After that, we take appropriate steps after careful consideration!

      We just can’t be so reactionary in this country. We have an oil spill in the gulf, now we’re going to ban or severely limit offshore drilling. In Minnesota a few weeks ago we had a few accidents which took the life of around 7 teenagers (granted, extremely sad), now Sen. Klobucher is trying to change the driving age. I don’t get it. These weren’t problems for decades, and now we have one incident and the Left wants to ban it or change it, etc. We rational people cannot think like that. We need to use our minds and logic.

    • JohntheMick

      Barry said himself that the constitution was old and needed updating. He said it tells what the gov can’t do, but doesn’t say what it can do TO, I mean FOR you.

  • American liberal

    Linda… What does your ignorant rant have to do with this article and the discussion?… You’re calling who ” uneducated?..

    • http://aol wayne a

      american liberal,i sure in the hell haven’t been impressed with your lack of factual comments either!

    • airangel

      Her ignorant rant? AM Lib – that’s the pot calling the kettle black! 90% of your posts use the word “race” and “Bush” and have nothing to do with the articles and contribute nothing productive…so why don’t you go back and read your own “ignorant rants”

  • American liberal

    Peterbuilt… I’m not sure all illegal immigrants are from Mexico…. The majority , yes,, all , No

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You got that part right. We have illegals from every corner of the earth, as they know this is the only country in the world, that will punish its working citizenry, by taking money from them and giving it to these illegals. They know that, and they come here in droves, and our government just keeps taking and taking from the working folks, and giving and giving and giving to the illegal aliens, and to our lazy butt Americans that dont feel like working. Ive got a big problem with that, as should any America loving American. I would hope you do to.

      • http://personalliberty.com RChick

        Here’s a question… Are illegals really lazy or are they getting help from the government (taxpayer) while illegally working under the table for employers and not paying into the system through taxes, etc.?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I dont think they are lazy at all. As my post said, illegals and lazy Americans. There a a lot of lazy American’s that have made a living off of the sytem, getting handouts and not working. And I think your right, that the illegals are getting hand outs, and working tax free under the table.

      • http://aol wayne a

        beberoni,lets take it one step at a time.lets get rid of all these illegal parasites then we can start on the lazy americans thats on welfare,thats capable of working but to lazy to.

      • Jana

        RChick,
        Actually, when you meet illegals, most of them as a people are really nice the only problem is, they have come from a society that stealing is a way of life, as this is one of the ways they have of surviving.
        When they steal their way across the border then, that is ok. When they see something around your house that looks good, then stealing this is ok too. Therefore, when they come over here to get free anything they can get they don’t consider this stealing. After all if the gringos are stupid enough to give it they are sure willing to take it.
        Especially if they know that they can get a pregnant woman over here just a few days before she isto have her baby, then they ( she and the baby) will be able to stay legally and milk the system for all its worth. This is why they can get SS benefits (legal baby) and we also have to take care of mama, and house them and feed them. Then the rest of the family comes over, which includes babies daddy, and babies aunts and uncles and grandparents, and now they can all get medicaid and ss benefits and free housing and free food stamps. You multiply this by thousands and thousands and we have major problems. Then we add the others who come across to just get over here and now we have a nightmare.

        The story that I always heard about the word Gringo came from when they were fighting against us, in the wintertime, we wore green coats and were known as the green coats. The Mexicans could not say green coats and therefore they called us greengo’s then it evolved into gringo.

      • kate8

        Jana, about six years ago my 2 sisters bought retirement homes in an adult community that was under construction. Of course, the crews were made up off illegals.

        They’d work on construction during the day, and then come back at night and steal the appliances and fixtures out of the units. They were caught several times by people who had already moved in.

        I would never want to employ anyone who stole from me. There was a time when people in those jobs would have been bonded and could be trusted. Now, anyone’s okay as long as they are cheap.

        But then, that’s just me.

      • American Citizen

        They may not be lazy, but they send most of the money they make back to Mexico or wherever they came from. They don’t spend it here to help our economy.

      • American Citizen

        Kate8, I have two daughter who have bought houses that were sitting empty in need of rehab in neighborhoods that were inhabited mostly by minorities. They would fix them up and then either rent them or sell them. Many times they had to replace fixtures, copper wiring, and appliances that would be stolen before they could get someone in. Needless to say, they stopped doing the rehab because it cost them more than it was worth. Those thieves were people who lived in the neighborhoods.

  • gary

    American Liberal I see you are another one of those Lemming follow the great Black Lemming into the deep. Bush did a good job considering what he had to deal with and if the Republicans would have stayed in office we would not be in this [offensive word removed mess we are in now.
    What would you have done the day of 9/11? THe money that was spent was for the war in Iraq and Afgan crap hole. Two weeks prior to the attack if I or anyone had told you there was a plan to attack the white house,pentagon and fly jets into buildings in New York, You would have said B.S. Why even bring it up as it is water over the dam and this [offensive word removed] we call a president is the worse thing that has happened to this country. He will not support this country if anyone tries to do evil to us. Also if you think this health care bill is anything to celebrate, you must be crack addict.
    As for the immigration issue it is a done deal. Everyone will get amnisty and there will be no more security added to the border. THe black masiah just agreed with the Mexican president on it. You will live to eat your words! Believe it!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You know what Barack would have done on 9-11. He would have gone on TV, and told us all we deserved this, and that we should be nicer to these terrorists as they are trying to kill us. We should all invite them into our homes, and have a glass of wine with them, and help them to overtake us, so that they will like us. Yeah, thats about the extent of the liberal left, as evidenced by their actions.

      • Jana

        Bebe,

        You do know Obama well don’t you. You have him pegged just right.

      • JohntheMick

        Don’t forget there’s a “learning” opportunity here. The American people acted stupidly, huh ?

      • kate8

        Don’t forget that he would have zoomed over to the middle east and bowed and apologized for making them so miserable that they felt they had to kill our people to make themselves feel better. Then he would have given them another pile of our money, and declared a national day of prayer and remembrance to the Jihadists who died in the planes, and declared 9/ll as a national holiday in honor of Allah’s revenge on the Great Satan.

  • American liberal

    Lol… I guess the feedback were seeing here is an example of the Ultra conservative Christian view.”… For those of you capable of having a rational discussion that comment isn’t meant for you….and I thank you for the intelligent discussion…

    • chrisk

      Rational discussion? No, financial well-being of the country!

      Do you know Spanish? Do you get food stamps at the taxpayer’s expense?
      Medicaid? Housing subsidies? Job preferences?

      The Constitution was never meant to encourage “legal citizens” to pay for, support and promote “illegal citizenry” at the expense of an entire country and its hard-working taxpayer’s. GOT IT?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thank you. You are very correct in your assessment.

    • CJ

      So, by your point… I figure you’re only able to talk to yourself. Your’re so closed minded by your comments. You have no discussion, you just stir the pot by injecting unrelated distractions. YOU are the one who can’t stick to a point and follow through. You add to the confusion instead of helping solve the problem. Take a LONG hard look in the mirror my friend.

    • PragmaticSort

      Hey libb (four letter word intended)- get off the religon bashing here. Dont see much of that contributing to the replies you are receiving to your progressive socialist posts. Your party has shown their hand- control, control, control. Champion the illegals so they will become good little lefties. Just dont move into your neighborhood please or our property values will plunge again! Dont add taxes, but develope programs that will add to the cost of goods and services for everyone. Cap and Trade, Lead laws, tobacco taxes, IRS policing the insurance ‘program’. We dont need the nanny-state. We need much smaller government that doesnt print money out of thin air that our children and grand children must pay back. Our congress and senate need to reform themselves before they can do anything for our country.

      • Sunshine

        PRAG — You have struck a nerve here. Tell me, WHY, when what you call “money” isn’t really “money”, as it is neither silver, or gold, or anything else that has real “value”, it is only fiat paper notes that have NO backing or legality, and therefore we cannot be forced to “pay back”, WHY do we the people keep voting for “representatives” who want to raise taxes and raise taxes to force us to “pay back” what the government had no authorization by we the people to print and spend in the first place? Here again, the people on some of these posts should do their homework before they speak and denigrate those who, obvious to anyone who has done ANY research, speak the truth based on documents and facts. They apparently don’t know that the government, based on the Constitution, had no authority to pass the “coining of money” or the “issuing of paper notes” to a privately owned corporation known as the Federal Reserve (which is NEITHER FEDERAL, nor is there any RESERVE), a corporation which has never been audited like all other corporations are forced to allow; a corporation which uses “the good faith and credit” AND PROPERTY of the citizens of this country for COLLATERAL to issue the “loans” they give to our government to spend on all the unnecessary pork barrel crap without our consent. Also, the “strong arm” of the Fed.Reserve is known as the IRS…another privately owned corp. who hasn’t allowed an audit! Get the connection, libs?

  • American liberal

    Pete… Your also saying ” if it’s in the constitution” it’s written in stone and not subject to reform…. So no discussion is even possible….what’s absurd is saying condictions and laws can’t change with time…with all due respect… Your very wrong…I believe anything in the constitution that’s not a benifit to the American people at the current time is subject to reform… Remember.. The constitution was written to protect us and guide us…not bind us in laws that hurt our country….

    • Conservative at Birth

      So, you do want to repeal the 14th and 16th Amendments, as they were never proplerly ratified?

      • Smilee

        Conservative at Birth says:
        May 21, 2010 at 6:25 am

        So, you do want to repeal the 14th and 16th Amendments, as they were never proplerly ratified?

        Can you prove they were never properly ratified???? I doubt you have any facts or evidence to support your allegations. Pure speculation is more like it. If you could prove it they would not have to be repealed as they would then not exist would they???

      • JeffH

        THE 14TH AMENDMENT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL
        - Judge L.H. Perez

        The purported 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution is and should be held to be ineffective, invalid, null, void, and unconstitutional for the following reasons:

        1. The Joint Resolution proposing said Amendment was not submitted to or adopted by a Constitutional Congress. Article I, Section 3, and Article V of the U.S. Constitution.

        2. The Joint Resolution was not submitted to the President for his approval. Article I, Section 7.

        3. The proposed 14th Amendment was rejected by more than one-fourth of all the States then in the Union, and it was never ratified by three-fourths of all the States in the Union.

        I. The Unconstitutional Congress

        The United States Constitution provides:

        Article 1, Section 3. “The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State ***”

        Article V provides: “No State, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.”

        The fact that twenty-three (23) Senators had been unlawfully excluded from the U.S. Senate, in order to secure a two-thirds vote for adoption of the Joint Resolution proposing the 14th Amendment is shown by Resolutions of protest adopted by the following state legislatures:
        1I. Joint Resolution Ineffective

        Article I, Section 7 provides that not only every bill which shall have been passed by the House of Representatives and the Senate of the United States Congress, but that:

        Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him shall be repassed by two-thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.

        The Joint Resolution proposing the 14th Amendment, (14 Statutes at Large, p. 358 etc.) was never presented to the President of the United States for his approval, as President Andrew Johnson stated in his message on June 22, 1866. (Senate Journal, 39th Congress, lst session. p, 563, and House Journal, p. 889)

        III. Proposed Amendment Never Ratified by Three-Fourths of the States

        1. Pretermitting the ineffectiveness of said resolution, as above, fifteen (15) States out of then thirty-seven (37) States of the Union rejected the proposed 14th Amendment between the date of its submission to the States by the Secretary of State on June 16, 1866 and March 24, 1868, thereby further nullifying said resolution and making it impossible for its ratification by the constitutionally required three-fourths of such States, as shown by the rejections thereof by the Legislatures of the following states:

        Texas rejected the 14th Amendment on October 27, 1866. (House Journal 1866, pp. 578-584; Senate Journal 1866, p. 471)

        Georgia rejected the 14th Amendment on November 9, 1866. (House Journal 1866, p. 68; Senate Journal 1866, p. 72.)

        Florida rejected the 14th Amendment on December 6, 1866. (House Journal 1866, p. 76; Senate Journal 1866, p. 8)

        Alabama rejected the 14th Amendment on December 7, 1866. (House Journal 1866, pp. 210-213; Senate Journal 1866, p. 183)

        North Carolina rejected the 14th Amendment on December 14, 1866. (House Journal 1866-1867, p. 183; Senate Journal 1866-1867, p. 138)

        Arkansas rejected the 14th Amendment on December 17, 1866. (House Journal 1866, pp. 288-291; Senate Journal 1866, p. 262

        South Carolina rejected the 14th Amendment on December 20, 1866. (McPherson, Reconstruction, p. 194; Annual Encyclopedia, p. 452)

        Kentucky rejected the 14th Amendment on January 8, 1867. (House Journal 1867, p. 60; Senate Journal 1867, p. 62)

        Virginia rejected the 14th Amendment on January 9, 1867. (House Journal 1866-1867, p. 108; Senate Journal 1866-1867, p. 101)

        Louisiana rejected the 14th Amendment on February 6, 1867. (McPherson, Reconstruction, p. 194; Annual Encyclopedia, p. 452)

        Delaware rejected the 14th Amendment on February 7, 1867 (House Journal 1867, p. 223; Senate Journal 1867, p. 176)

        Maryland rejected the 14th Amendment on March 23, 1867 (House Journal 1867, p. 1141; Senate Journal 1867, p. 808)

        Mississippi rejected the 14th Amendment on January 31, 1867. (McPherson, Reconstruction, p. 194)

        Ohio rejected the 14th Amendment on January 15, 1868 (House Journal 1868, pp. 44-50; Senate Journal 1868, pp. 33-38.)

        New Jersey rejected the 14th Amendment on March 24, 1868. (Minutes of the Assembly 1868, p. 743; Senate Journal 1868, p. 356)

        There was no question that all of the Southern states which rejected the 14th Amendment had legally constituted governments, were fully recognized by the federal government, and were functioning as member states of the Union at the time of their rejection.

        President Andrew Johnson, in his Veto message of March 2, 1867, (House Journal, 39th Congress, 2nd Sessn., p. 563 etc.) pointed out:

        It is not denied that the States in question have each of them an actual government with all the power, executive, judicial, and legislative, which properly belong to a free State. They are organized like the other States of the Union, and, like them, they make, administer, and execute the laws which concern their domestic affairs.

        Why does a judge swear to discharge his duties agreeably to the Constitution of the United States, if that constitution forms no rule for his government?

        If such be the real state of things, that is worse than solemn mockery. To prescribe, or take this oath, becomes equally a crime.

        Thus, the particular phraseology of the Constitution of the United States confirms and strengthens the principle, supposed to be essential to all written constitutions * * * * courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument.

        The federal courts actually refuse to hear argument on the invalidity of the 14th Amendment, even when the issue is presented squarely by the pleadings and the evidence as above.

        Only an aroused public sentiment in favor of preserving the Constitution and our institutions and freedoms under constitutional government, and the future security of our country, will break the political barrier which now prevents judicial consideration of the unconstitutionality of the 14th Amendment.
        http://www.sweetliberty.org/fourteenth.amend.htm

      • Smilee

        Jeff

        Just a lot of rhetoric but has no force of law therefore your whole post is totally irelevant

      • Sunshine

        JEFF H CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! You have REALLY done your homework. Maybe our lib posters will actually read and try to understand your post – perhaps even LOOK IT UP FOR THEMSELVES before they continue to show their lack of knowledge by bothering to post at all!

    • gary

      American Liberal I think then what you are saying is screw the constitution, tear it up, and create a document that fits the times over and over and over and (someone tell me where to stop) I think you need to get off the CRACK!

    • gary

      THe constitution is the law that we live by!! The 14th amendment is just that an ammendment and it can be changed. I would also say that yes the constitution should be written in stone. It is the only thing that stands in the way of people like you and Obama.

    • andrew

      yes am lib answer the question please,are you in or out?

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

    Liberals are [offensive word removed] total wacko [offensive word removed] I cannot wait till the whinning uneducated bunch of wackos see what is happening right before their eyes but they are too blind to see I hope it hits them hard especially when these dirtbag illegals start robbing and killing which they already do one of the in Balt. beheaded his three relatives they were little children, we are headed for a crash and I hope it hits you hard

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      It will be just as I said in one of my posts above Linda. Its going to be a mess, because the left wing liberal pacifists appeasers are going to allow it all to go down the tubes, in the name of making themselves think they are saving the world, why they are flushing us down the crapper.

      • PragmaticSort

        Everyone should remember Beb’s post when they go to the polls in November. Vote the progressives out. Its our only hope.

    • tim

      Armegeddon………Armegeddon!!!!!!!!!!!

      You people sound like Jehova Witnesses……….

      • del

        your an idiot!

      • kate8

        Well, tim, so now you’ve added Jehova Witnesses to your list of those you hate? Gee, I’ve known a few, and they seem to embrace all races and nationalities. So what is it you hate? By your logic, if you hate a Jehovah Witness who happens to be a minority, then you are a RACIST!!!!!

        Who elsy you got on that list, besides whites? Jews? Catholics? Christians in general? Because they come in ALL races and colors.

        So, now we know. tim, you are a true racist. You can go away now.

  • Conservative at Birth

    Why on earth are there so many Communists and Socialists writing on this web site? There retorical comments are boring and lack any intelligent content.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thats just how liberals are.

    • JohntheMick

      I think they hate you because you are christian, white, and want to work. They’re straight-a-phobes.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Peterbuilt

    I think that illegals have no rights! Why are we supporting 20 million mexicans. If they want jobs create jobs in mexico and let them stay there. When is America realized that is costing trillions of dollars having these people in here. This is so wrong, WAKE UP AMERICA!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      They dont care. They know the hispanics are breeding like rabbits, and they also know that by something like 2030, there will be more hispanics here than white people, and they are all getting in bed with them, legal or not, to get their votes in the future. That is how sick politicians are for power, as these guys around today wont even be around then, most of them, and by the time this happens, if your not a hispanic, forget about running for office, or being a successful business man, because they are not going to afford treatment like this to a minority white population. No, you will not receive anything when you become the minority white America, you will be done. You will not be allowed to have a White History week, or a White Miss America, or a White Television Network. That would be considered racist. But you will not receive the same kind of minority advantages that you now give to every swinging minority under the sun. Welcome to reality.

      • http://Yahoo Sandy Archer

        You hit the nail right directly on the HEAD. Again there is no reason to allow illegals to drop their babies in ANY Country and have that child be a legal citizen. I’m all for helping people but I have to abide by laws and rules and the Illegals should be hunted down and sent back to whereever they came from. If you want to come in legally and give back to this country (America) by paying taxes and doing everything I have to do as a citizen then more power to you. Most of these people get WIC, Welfare, free housing, free education, free medical while I am struggling to pay my bills and make ends meet. Obama is for this because he wants to take America down and I still do not believe he has proven HIS citizenship!!!

      • tim

        Beberoni…….breeding like rabbits………???

        Who’s doing the “Hating” on this site?????????

      • PragmaticSort

        Yes, that is a poor choice of words but what really sucks is it describes the situation accurately. Illegal immigration needs to be policed. Long Live Arizona!

      • http://aol wayne a

        tim,he’s right,like a rabbit.how many of the illegal families have just one or two kids? besides the more kids they have,the more welfare they get!

      • kate8

        So, what is hateful about that? Personally, I love rabbits, even though they have large families.

        We still don’t need foreign nationals sneaking into our country to reap the benefits of our labor, and steal our inheritance. Let them do what we did: rise up and make their own countries more suitable. Our forefathers didn’t fight and die so we could just give it all away to those who don’t even respect our laws.

      • kate8

        You are right, Beberoni. Isn’t the credo of La Raza “For the race, everything. For everyone else, nothing.”

        There have been many, many whites who have fought for the rights and liberties of ALL people, regardless of color or nationality.

        Now we have a growing population of OTW’s who’ve been raised being taught to hate the “evil, racist whiteman who’s responsible for every bad thing that ever happened in the history of the Earth”.

        We’ll see what happens when they assume control.

      • tim

        The White man is very diverse, as well…….and NO, they are Not the Evil-doers of the world……..but they have plenty of blood on their hands……..

        There are many many Great White men in History……….many many.

        I’m sorry, I used the word “diversity”………..which is sort of, a 4 letter word, isn’t it?????

      • kate8

        EVERY race has bood on their hands! There are plenty of people who have history of much more barbarism and violence than whites. Why is it that they all get a pass?

        Just look at what goes in in Islamic countries, or China, or even Africa for that matter. Genocide, atrocity, slavery…still today.

        Take a break with the white bashing already. It’s offensive.

    • Angel

      You are right…the illegals HAVE no rights. The constitution was written for the nation of America and her citizens. If you are not a citizen of this nation…it does not apply!

      • Sunshine

        It has always been my impression that foreigners fled their countries because of atrocities, genocide, poor conditions, dictatorial governments, lack of freedom, etc. Why, then, if the country of Mexico is soooooo bad a place to live that their people feel forced to flee and ILLEGALLY enter the U.S., do the illegals want to FORCE the U.S. to become “MEXICO”? That is exactly what they are doing. Look at the signage portreyed at their marches and rallies, and they fly the flag of the country that was so bad they had to leave! And the government allows and backs their shenanigans because unless they bring the status of the U.S. citizen, especially the large, working, middle class of citizen, down to that of a third-world country, they won’t be able to impose their NWO agenda – a One-World Government. Has anyone besides myself researched the WCPA? That stands for the World Constitution and Parliament Association, and I ran across their office in Littleton, Colorado on one of my “research” trips in 1998. They had already been active for many years, re-writing, with the idea of eliminating, The Constitution of the United States of America!

  • Conservative at Birth

    We need to mount a challenge to the 14th and/or repeal it immediately. This is insane! We are being invaded by Mexico. I am conacting my Federal and State Representative/Senators today. Are You?

    • CJ

      I see the ammendment as workable. What needs to stop is the misapplication of good intentions for illgotten gains by liberals. Compassion is only good until the recepient uses it against you. Then they will distroy you with your own good intentions.

  • American liberal

    Pete… Then if were to take the constitution word for word as the letter of the law…. Then you’re saying you stand by the 14th amendment as it’s written and Anchor babys should stay the law…..and that the constitution should always be upheld the exact way it’s written… This that your position?….remember…. Women had no vote…. And Blacks were concidered property….
    My opinion is everything changes with time and we must adjust according to the current living condictions… In other words apply commonsense

    • Doug

      It’s very obvious that there needs to be some sort of intelligents test before one can vote. Look what happened the idiots of American voted in illegal alien who does not love this country and who really needs to be sent to Middle East so he can see first hand how Arabs feel about black people!

      Also American Lib you might want to read what in front of you as you can see many feel that the 14th and the 16th were implemented illegally just like your president.

    • Conservative at Birth

      There is a proccess called and Amendment to change the Constitution. It is difficult and time consuming. So, If you want to change it, start and Amendment and see if you can.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Again, its not the constitution, its an amendment. Amendment means a change or an addition. Then the lawyers prostituted it, because that is what they do.

      • Smilee

        Beberoni

        The constitution when amended makes the amendment part of the constitution not separate from the original as you want us to believe. The founding fathers never intended that their word would be taken in perpetuity or the final word and that is why they made provisions to amend what they did and that any future generation could perform changes to what they did without guidance other than method to what we could change, that they left up to us. I wonder often how they would feel knowing how some today look at them as almost godlike and worship them. I think they would be offended.

    • CJ

      That’s right! You take it WORD FOR WORD! Then, if the majority feels it no longer needs to apply, you AMMEND it. THAT is common sense! Your attitude that INTERPRETATION changes is the problem. There is no way anybody can write a law today and know EVERY application for it in the future. BUT, when you take it and apply it to new circumstances, you have to use those under which it was written, and understand its intent, before you decide if it applies or not. That’s what the Supreme Court is for. Problem is, they’ve stooped to legislating law (the job of congress) and not limiting themselves to determining the constitutionality only.

    • Rev. Jimmie Lee Robins

      Yes, we need to support the Constitution, but unfortunatelly, it is interpprited by our elected officials. Who do not bother to consult the Supreme Court for an opinion. There are three bodies of government; but in this case the Executive branch controls the other branchs. They are suppose to work together to support the Constitution. The Judicial branch has been left out of every phase of this administrations operation, including the eligability of Obama to run for President.

      • PragmaticSort

        You nailed it- its the only branch left (until November) that is not controlled by the progressives. Obama, Pelosi, and the soon to be dethroned Reed are sure to steer clear of the Consvervative SC in all their actions. Hopefully they all outlive Obama’s presidency so he does not appoint another of his buddies to the court. Typical liberal Chicago style corrupt politics.

    • tim

      American Liberal…….read Justice Breyer’s book,….”Active Liberty”……tremendous read……….

      And for those Conservatives out there, you’d be surprised to know, that I read former Chief Justice Rehquist’s Biography, ans well as Clarence Thomas and Thurgood Marshall’s biographys……

      All very interesting………..

      And Rehquist went to the same High School as both of my sons……in Shorewood, Wiscoansin…………

      Just some food for thought……..

      • libertytrain

        Shorewood as kind of an extension of the “cool” East Side was always (even 40 years ago) more of a leftist yuppie-type area. IS this now the bigoted Milwaukee area you refer to?

      • tim

        Your memory serves you right, LibertyTrain…….Yes Shorewood is on the East side…..it is relatively Liberal, but less and less Political really……..I grew up on the East side 5 blocks from Lake Michigan and Bradford Beach, if you recall that area……..

        And just 5 blocks from our House, the Mob boss Frank Balistreri lived………We actually trick-or-treated there as kids……believe it or not……….My old friend dated his daughter many years ago………Interesting childhood, to say the least……

        What part of Milwaukee did you grow up??

      • tim

        Also, LibertyTrain…….Milwaukee now, is one of the most segregated Cities in the Country…….if not #1……….

      • libertytrain

        Milwaukee and Boston always were. The North is more so than the South having experienced a good number of years in both parts of the country. Southside – then the Eastside “down by” UWM. I still know the city well return once or twice a year. Favorite area if I were to be forced to live there now – Bay View. Not big on Cedarburg/Grafton area either.

      • tim

        LivertyTrain….I graduated from UWM…….
        Yes, Boston & Milwaukee are very much alike that way….When I tavelled to Boston several times back in the 90′s, with my Job, I noticed that…………

        Bay View, is starting to get very “trendy” now. It’s starting to look, much like the East side, with it’s Cafe’s and Panini sandwiches………Many people who grew up in Milwaukee, bolted out to the Suburbs, but, since many are now empty-nesters, they are coming back Downtown……..ALOT of Condos, going up in the Downtown area now…………We still have Summerfest (which you must remember), and all of the ethnic Festivals……..

        Not a bad place to live…………

      • libertytrain

        I went to the first Summerfest and many after as it grew. Bay View is trendy now, however, I spent my first years there and have a deep affection for it.

      • tim

        I actually like Bay View…….I used to play volleyball for O’Brien’s Tavern, there on Logan St…….and my son lived there for a awhile……..

  • Bruce Eden

    Maybe you should also look at the 16th Amendment (the Income Tax Amendment). There is more definitive information in books and periodicals that this Amendment was never properly ratified either. In fact, based on the facts presented about this Amendment, no state ever ratified it. It was rammed through to usurp the will of the American people. Sound familiar?

  • Pete

    American liberal says:
    May 21, 2010 at 5:29 am
    Margot … The ” crazy law” your wondering about is the constitution and 14th amendment…. The question is… Should reform rewrite the 14th amendment…. My opinion is because I believe the constitution is a ” living document” which I’ve argued about many times on this site…that the condictions have changed in this country abd it’s no longer right to allow anchor babys…and I’ll use this artical to say… I believe it proves the constitution is a living document subject to change as our enviorment and condictions change in America…. It’s was never meant to stay like the the condictions of 1776…
    ————————-
    You’re opinion is duely noted . But as for being a “Living” document is absurd. Why even have a federal or state constitution if one can simply ,willy nilly, change it to suit there needs ?
    By extention, why even have laws ?

    • kate8

      We’ve all been subject to “living” rules for some time now. Some laws get enforced, some not. Some people have to obey them, some don’t. It seems to all depend on the whims and biases of those in office in different localities, whether or not one is a citizen, what one’s status is, whether they had a rough childhood, what your cultural background is…

      Isn’t it fun playing by “living” rules?

      This is what has torn this country apart, changing us from a nation which stands for the rule of law, to a squabbling bunch of crybabies who throw tantrums when things get too out of hand and someone steps in to actually bring enforcement and order.

      We will get order soon enough. A New World Order.

      • Jana

        Kate8
        You are so right. Great ost.

      • Jana

        Kat8
        I meant Great post.:)

      • Star827

        To tie my posts together – this post brings very valid points.The administrations of the past and present have changed the Constitution to suit their needs at the time.If what this article points out does actually turn out to be FACT – then the ‘forefathers’ who perpetrated this action – just saying “oh it was passed you just didn’t know it” (basically) – should have been hung from the trees for treason!! As it is – the Constitution was mostly adopted from some of the ONLY original people of this land.We can lend our freedoms to the Native Americans and the Constitution of the Iriquois Confederaton.The (original)5 Great Nations had these “laws” as the laws of their people in WRITTEN form 500 YEARS BEFORE Columbus stepped foot on this land.(And he WASN’T the first white,but I digress…)The added Bill of Rights and Amendments were mostly adopted from the Magna Carta and several others.Considering that the 14th Amendment was done after the civil war,I would dare say that it was intended only for the slaves,and was not meant to be an extension nor open invitation for illegal aliens.The people at the time would not have had the kind of foresight to know the consequences of what has become a “vaguely” worded statement only because of how we have “generally” interpreted it since then.An “anchor babies” policy is nothing but a death trap for our financial situation,our law enforcement,and our society as Americans.There is probably no way to get a clarification of that Amendment on the national books.However – the states could put their own on their books – since it was to be left to the states anyways….but then it’d probably get deemed “racist”….

      • kate8

        I remember reading about Maritime Law, that it has been superimposed over our Constitutional Law, and when Congress passes a law, if there is not opposition to it, our silence is deemed as agreement. Never mind if it was done in secret and we didn’t know about it.

        Everyone should research the issue of Maritime Law. It kind of changes the whole game.

      • Angel

        That is exactly it…they ‘changed it” to suit their needs at the time. Is it not wonderful how they can take a written document and bend it and shape it, add to it and subtract from it and interpret it to suit their needs at the time…NOT. I know one part of the constitution also that they are ‘trying to interpret or change”…the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed on. I believe that is pretty cut and dry but look at what they are trying to do there! Just try it…let them just try and take my guns! I will not go down silently or without a fight!

      • Mickey

        And weren’t the Mexicans considered “white” in Texas? Which discrimination are your talking about? lol Mexicans and Jackson certainly don’t want any one knowing this. Imagine, Jackson supporting “trafficking of whites”.

  • American liberal

    So do we want to change the 14th amendment as part of immigration reform?… As I read it , it does grant citizenship to any person born on our soil ….maybe the wording was a mistake … So is our constitution not the perfect document we keep telling ourselves?…it’s just a fact that if were going to have laws they should be enforced…so maybe reform should close this anchor baby loophole…….

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      This wasnt our original constitution. It was an amendment. It was people thinking they need to change things, and the screwed it up, and left it open for lawyers to come in and prostitute it. And they are darn good at that, you have to admit.

      • Smilee

        Beberoni

        The original constitution was minus the bill of rights and those and all other amendments since them have the same force in supreme law as the original and some of these amendments have actually changed the original. It’s interesting that you people only like the original which has in it the method for changing the constitution and the original makes any amendment equal in force to the original but you people pick and choose which part of the constitution you wish to accept and not accept, changes nothing in force of supreme law despite what you say or believe.

    • CJ

      Well Am Lib, which is it… “living” or “perfect”? You flip-flop so well!! You take portions of documents out of context and spew your disruptive rant. The 14th was written AFTER the Civil War and has an additional condition that they need to also be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. It could be better argued that illegals do not meet both criteria.

    • Joe

      Change? Par for the course, we find a liberal twisting someone’s words into something they did not say. Chip Woods article states there is substantial reason to believe that the 14th amendment was never ratified by a two-thirds majority of the House and the Senate as the Constitution requires. If this is the case, the amendment should either be removed or re-proposed to the states for ratification. With the understanding that, as written, the amendment allows an open door to citizenship for ILLEGAL invaders, via the “anchor baby”, it certainly would have a difficult time achieving a two-thirds vote of approval for ratification.

      Even if there was no question of the amendments legitimacy, it is clear that the 14th amendment was never intended to allow children of illegal invaders, born on U.S. soil, to automatically become citizens of this country. It is the exploitation and purposeful misinterpretation of the Constitution and its Amendments that liberal’s thrive on. If there are ‘changes’ to be made to the Constituition and its Amendments,they should be done so only to prevent such abuses. To you, the Constitution is nothing more than a roadblock to your progressive ways…to the conservative, the Constitution is the foundation of everything good our country has to offer!
      God Bless America!

      • toni

        I have read that the income tax was not ratified eather!

      • Smilee

        Not being properly voted on or ratified is something Chip alleges saying he cannot find proof of it but he also has no proof it was not so his allegations amount to nothing more than pure speculation or his personal opinion. I’m sure if he could prove it him and his cronies would be racing for the nearest court room to correct it. Personally I believe he made it all up.

        The same can be said of the 16th amendment which has suffered the same rumors and nobody in either case has any evidence to back up their BS

      • Sunshine

        SMILEE – Do your research! Go back and read the 16th! Ratified or not, it CHANGED NOTHING!

      • Smilee

        Joe

        Not being properly voted on or ratified is something Chip alleges saying he cannot find proof of it but he also has no proof it was not so his allegations amount to nothing more than pure speculation or his personal opinion. I’m sure if he could prove it him and his cronies would be racing for the nearest court room to correct it. Personally I believe he made it all up.

        The same can be said of the 16th amendment which has suffered the same rumors and nobody in either case has any evidence to back up their BS

    • Frank Oak

      As you read it doesn’t count. Our opinions don’t count. What matters is what the writers intended. The original intent of any legislation is what counts. The following blog is a wonderful explanation of the Constitution and here she talks about the 14th amendment.

      http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/14th-amendment/

  • Margot H.

    I’ve often wondered what was the source of this crazy ‘law’ that allows the children of illegal aliens to be citizens when and if they are born here. It seems to me a very easy fix, just pass a law in Congress stating that no person born in this country to illegal immigrants can be afforded the rights and benefits of citizenship until the parents of that child are legal citizens, who subject themselves to the process of legally obtaining citizenship, adhering to all laws.
    There’s a ‘natural law’ concept inherent in the Fourth Amendment that could be applied similarly to the issue of anchor babies. It’s called the ‘fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine” and its use is primarily in search and seizure cases. Basically, it contends that if the search is illegal to begin with, then any fruits of that search are deemed inadmissible in court. It stands to reason that if someone breaks a territorial law to enter this country and are here illegally, then anything after that that they do is by extension illegal also. Like have a baby. If getting a license and buying a house using a fake social security number can be considered fraud perpetrated by illegals, why not the citizenship of a baby born to illegals? Name one country in the world that grants automatic citizenship to children born to people illegally there! And certainly, Congress can pass a law stating that no welfare, social security, health care, etc. – any benefit at all – can be given to any illegal or children of illegals. This is the defining issue of our time, our sovereignty.
    But the profiles in courage in Congress are only interested in one thing – their re-election. And maybe one other– how their lawn looks and how little they have to pay to the exploited workers to keep it that way.

    • American liberal

      Margot … The ” crazy law” your wondering about is the constitution and 14th amendment…. The question is… Should reform rewrite the 14th amendment…. My opinion is because I believe the constitution is a ” living document” which I’ve argued about many times on this site…that the condictions have changed in this country abd it’s no longer right to allow anchor babys…and I’ll use this artical to say… I believe it proves the constitution is a living document subject to change as our enviorment and condictions change in America…. It’s was never meant to stay like the the condictions of 1776…

      • Rjp1952

        The constitution was made less perfect with A 14. So yes it is supposed to be a living document and subject to change with conditions. The conditions are now that we can’t afford more mouths to feed, more healt care leaches, more welfare recipiants sucking the life blood out of us. We actually can’t afford the legitimat leaches. So, lets adjust it and undo Amendent 14

      • del

        I have been screaming this for a long time! Let the illegals take their illegals back home with them.

      • CJ

        Am Lib, thanks for pointing out the problem. You left-wingers “think” instead of understand. The Constitution is NOT a living document. Yes, there were provisions for adjusting it, but that DOES NOT mean changing the definition. Using the “excuse” that the founding fathers “meant” something is so lame. If they REALLY meant to, why didn’t they do it in the first place?? We’re not idiots and won’t buy that BS notion. The idea was intended for those doing it the right way to have an opportunity to stay. It is NOT acceptable to receive beneifts from illgotten gains. This has been another liberal misapplication of an otherwise good intention. If I was to rob a bank, I can not use the money to pay for legal defense to get me off the rap!!! How many more examples do you need of liberals taking a good thing and turning it against the tax payer?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Im kind of wondering when the day will come, when the left wing liberals decide that they should rewrite the Bible, so they can make it fit into their agenda, and just throw the truth out. I would not doubt them trying this for one minute. That is what they do.

      • tim

        Beberoni……I would take ONe thing out of the Bible….

        the part that condones Slavery………….

      • Sheldon

        I’m kind of wondering when the day will come, when the religious right will decide that they should rewrite the Bible. You know, so they can get rid of all the references of their God condoning slavery, rape and the way the Bible preaches one thing and then preaches THE EXACT OPPOSITE somewhere else in the book. You know, a good editing to remove all of the contradictions and falsehoods. For a book that so many of you people think was actually written by God himself, it’s amazing just how wrong it is. You talk about throwing out the truth? YOUR God made the world but he forgot it was round? He forgot it revolved around the sun and not the other way around? You guys SHOULD rewrite the Bible, it would be far more believable.

      • del

        Awesome post!

      • Frank Oak

        Living document is no document. As Walter Williams says, will you play poker with me when I can change the rules? Calling the Constitution a living document means that whenever 5 people change their minds the Constitution changes. A well written explanation can be found by the Constitutional scholar, Publius Huldah at the following website.

        http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/definitions-and-basic-concepts/

      • Sheldon

        Do you play Texas Hold ‘Em? Someone amended the rules of Poker to change the rules. Unless you’re old school and just play draw poker, your argument is flawed.

      • toni

        What the point of having laws when they can be influx. should it be a law today and not tomarrow then it can be interpreted with anywhich way you want sounds like anarchy

      • Bill

        AmLib;
        It is a living document. It’s just not a changing document. It’s purpose and words are immutable, just as viable today as they were when written, and without some slimely lawyer or judge telling me how I should be interpreting them. You see, I can read them for myself and don’t need the government to tell me what they mean.

    • Chaos Factor

      Michelle Malkin…. Anchor baby….

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

        (words removed for offensive content)

      • D Lynch

        You have to be an illegal wet-back.Also unAmerican

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        So you think if you go on vacation to, lets say China, and your wife has a baby. You think your child will be a citizen of China? Now lets substitute any country in the world for China here. Do you think your child would be a citizen there, and you also? No, not in one country anywhere. So why in the U.S.? Because just like everything else, lawyers have prostituted the law, which ends up making wrong right. So sad.

      • http://personalliberty.com RChick

        Excellent point, and well-made argument! Why is it that the southern US border should be wide open when it is almost unheard of anywhere else, especially going the other way? Why is it that anyone born within this country’s borders should automatically be considered a citizen when that doesn’t happen virtually anywhere else in the world? You’re right, Beb. Why should they occur here?

      • American Citizen

        Exactly. It’s all those bleeding heart, do-gooders that get us into trouble. They don’t think about the unintended consequences.

      • http://naver samurai

        Sorry dude. She’s an American citizen and “Osama” is not. By the way, can you show me your papers proving you are an American?

      • Rev. Jimmie Lee Robins

        Good point. The Governor of Hawaii has stated that there is no record of Obama being born in Hawaii, nor having a birth certificate . He also stated that Hawaii with grant a birth certificate to anyone who applys for one and states they were born in American and pays the fee’s. It is interesting, that anyone else who was running for the highest office in the land would have to prove they were born her. Why do you think Arnold Swartznager[sp] has not ran for President. He was born in Austria. Obama was born in Africa, and his chosen faith is Islam. Its a matter of record.

      • JLC

        Rev. Jimmie Lee Robins — Can you document this? For the record, I, for one, do not believe that Barrack Obama is a “natural-born” citizen of the U.S. I have a copy of a newspaper article that appeared in the Sunday Standard, Nairobi, Kenya, of June 27, 2004, prior to Obama’s election to the U.S. Senate, in which is stated (gleefully, I might add) that Barrack Obama is “Kenya-born.”

      • shray77

        I think I heard somewhere that his mother said he was not born in Hawaii, but, in Africa. I would appreciate the facts here if anyone has them.

      • http://n/a PHIL

        It is interesting is how ignorant people are here of the American Law.Obama’s parents were married on Thursday February 2,1961 in Maui Hawaii. Obama was born in August 4 1961.His dad was a student in Hawaii then.How could Obama have been born in Kenya while his parents were still studying in Hawaii at the time? OK,even if we are to assume that Obama was born in Kenya,the American Citizenship Law states that Birth Abroad to one Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock acquires Citizenship at birth Under Section 301(g)INA provided the Citizen was physically in the US for the Period required by the Law applicable at the time of the Child’s birth.For between December 24 1952 and November 13,1986,a Period of Ten Years.The Mother had been physically in the US right from her birth.That exceeds the ten year period stipulation.
        Obama is not the first President with one foreign born Parent.Andrew Jackson had two Irish born parents.Thomas Jefferson’s mother was born in England.James Buchanan and Chester Arthur also had Irish Fathers.Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Hoover’s mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.
        Unless one is driven by Extremely intense Racist feelings rather than the brain, I don’t see the reason for dwelling on this subject,case closed!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        He is, the Kenyan.

      • American Citizen

        Shray, his grandmother is the one who has said he was born in Africa. She claims she was there at his birth. I think some shenanigans went on after his birth to try to get him to be claimed to be born in this country.

      • tim

        Good one, chaosFactor

      • Evil_Fluffy

        Michelle Malkin’s father was here legally, on an employer-sponsored visa. While I do believe at least one parent should be a citizen in order for a baby born here to have citizenship, the fact is, Michelle Malkin’s parents were not here illegally.

        At the very least, babies born to illegals should have no rights here, just as their parents should not. Babies born to legal immigrants who came here the right way (and not on a visitor visa) is a grey area.

    • NM

      Very very very good idea!!!

  • http://google mike b.

    I wonder if the jihadist islamic terriosts have children born here would they become legal also? Dont you love this hope and change. Hussein Obama is a dangerous thug.

    • American liberal

      Mike… Who wouldn’t want change when you’re talking about the last administration…. And as far as President Obama being a thug… Why don’t you list the reasons why you think he’s a thug….. Surely it’s not just because he gave us healthcare?.. It’s easy to just be a lemming and call president Obama vile names… But you need to say “why”.. I can list the reasons why Bush was a ” thug”…and giving us healthcare doesn’t rate ” thug” to me….

      • Meteorlady

        Am Lib – you really need to change some of our cut and paste posts – they are getting old. Thanks

      • PT

        Ah, commrade Metrolady I see you follow the follow the communist line started in this country by Russian immigrants of the late 19th century! BTW were you grand parents immigrants fleeing the Czar after the assaaaination of Czar Alexander II?

        The lesson to be learned from Russia is letting in people of different cultures means death of the previous culture!

        By the way do you have pictures of the Rosenbergs placed conspiciously in your house?

      • Areucrazi

        My great grandparents came into the country legally from Germany. I actually have the paperwork to prove it. If ANYONE wants to come to the US and would like to became an American Citizen, then they she do it LEGALLY. What upsets me the most is that I deal with International Students. They have to have all paperwork in order for them to enter this country. They have to pay taxes, health insurance, medical care and the list goes on just like the Legal Citizens of this country. Tell me how is it fair if they have to do this and the ones that come here sneaking over the boarder DO NOT???

        I have work my tail end to the bone to have what little bit I have. Don’t tell me that our own US Citizens do not want to do labor work. This is where it all started. Illegal men and women couldn’t do anything else, because, guess what? They were illegal. My husband was in construction for nearly 31 yrs. He worked hard for his business. He felt quality was better than quantity. Then what happened to everyone in the labor business? He lost out to money hungry businessmen hiring illegal workers to pay them less wages. Of course it was fine for the illegal workers. They weren’t paying: self -employment tax, liability insurance, worker’s compensation or taxes of any manner.

        Their girlfriends were having babies as soon as they arrived here, so the baby and mother would have all the care that so many of our US Legal Citizens do not have. When construction fell so did the quality of our homes, so did the plumbers, electricians, drywalls, framers, roofers, heating and air, graders, concrete workers, painters, auto-mechanics and everyone else that was effected. No one could afford to buy or pay anyone. It was the dwindling down effect. Not only did the legal workers suffer, the businessmen that they worked so hard for suffered and you know why? What goes around came back around to bite the money hungry businessmen in the butt. Four families that worked long, hard, hot and cold weathers, lost everything. This was just in my husband’s work. Other friends and family member were experiencing the same thing. We didn’t live high on the hog. We are the middle-class, just trying to get by.

        I have nothing against someone coming into our country. I do have a problem with them coming into our country ILLEGALLY and anyone wanting to do HARM to us.

      • Airangel

        Russian immigrants at least worked and “put forth” in society and contributed to the prosperity of the United States…for that matter ALL LEGAL IMMIGRANTS coming through Ellis Island made this their home…these illegal anchor babies grow up only knowing violence and hate because they have parents whose sole purpose is to get freebies from their existence and not to raise them with any values or morals…then they become gang members or criminals and learn nothing of what they could become through hard work and honest, ethical behavior…they don’t even respect their teachers, or school property or try and take advantage of the “gift” of free education. Instead they call teachers “putas” and vandalize property at our expense…they don’t say “thank you” or show “gratitude” for us taking feeding them, clothing them, offering education, healing them and protecting them with public services…they just spit in our face and say they would rather see us dead…and we should just accept that and ignore the animosity growing? I don’t think so! They actually pass pamplets out in Mexico on how to get the freebies and work the sytem in the USA…that is their business! They are so misquided and falsely led that it’s not entirely their fault, we are just as much to blame for allowing it and for not sending the right messages and for coddling Calderon!! These ILLEGALS only learn to lie, cheat and steal and hate America because of the resentment Americans are now showing them due to the generations of Americans supporting them with their hard earned money when they can barely support their own families…it’s not the Illegal childrens fault but our lack of enforcing Illegal immigration…it’s dividing this country into hate and violence…and I am talking about Illegals, not (Legals) who respected our laws and immigrated legally through proper chanels…they contribute to the economy and society rather than suck it dry.

      • gavrilo

        assaaaination of Czar Alexander II?????????? You mean, Nicholay II Romanov of Russia!!!!!

      • Right Wing

        Liberal posts of course make no sense and are (predictably) aimed at the Bush Administration or a characterization of conservative Americans as racist, terrorist, communist, etc. The obvious correct answer to the issue rests in the sensible posts concerning legal immigration. What else needs to be said? Illegal immigration left unchecked will erode the economy by taking away jobs that legal Americans can do and by illegals sending money to their home country. It is a combo punch to the gut. Anchor babies ensure that this process will continue unless the family becomes naturalized citizens, pays taxes, and carries their fair share of the cost burden to keep America running. Turning a blind eye to the problem as past administrations have done is bad enough but when you outright suggest that efforts to uphold the federal constitutional law (like Arizona has) as “misguided” (like the current administration has), you quickly see how misguided our country’s leadership is.

        Solution: those illegals that have been law-abiding, tax-paying citizen should be offered first chance at naturalization and helped to do so with little interruption in their lives. Those that have not been acting as citizens and fly their country’s flag on U.S. soil, should be deported with no more tax money wasted on them unless they return via legal means and engage in the naturalization process. Argue all you want about the minutia but this is what need to happen to start with. The rest of the details can be sorted from there.

      • chrisk

        Giving you health care? What, you think it is free?

        Wait until you see the ultimate fallout for this MANDATE! A law making health care mandatory is not giving you anything, you buffoon.

      • kenecarroll

        chrisk…you are absolutely right. This admisitration plans on imputing your health care as earned income. That will add on to your yearly pay and you will be taxed with about $15,000 – $20,000 added into your pay that you never even saw….its happening as we speak.

      • Evelyn

        This will only affect you if you work and file taxes, all those illegals, and welfare casees will just get it for free. And this is where we will find ourselves wanting to do just what they wanted, giving up…

      • toni

        Donot forget illegal aliens are exempt so are Muslems

      • Brenda

        Am I understanding this right? As income, do you mean that if I were to get sick, go to the hospital and my insurance pays for it that I will have that on my taxes as income paid to me?
        If so…….. what am I paying for all year on my paystub that says it is going to my healthcare??? And what are they using to pay my bills if not the money I, MYSELF am paying into it??

        Please tell me if I misunderstood… I really want to know what you mean….

      • Becky Fisher North Las Vegas

        Are you kidding me putting it into our paychecks look at me with the person in the senate HARRY REID its reveloution time folks.

      • James R

        That is correct. The newly passed healthcare reform law is one giant ammendment to the tax code. Read it and weap people. Why do you think the IRS is going to enforce the requirements of the healthcare law?

      • FarRight

        This reply is for Brenda replying to chrisk.
        I believe your blond roots are showing, the amount that we as employees pay into insurance premiums is normally only around 30-40% of the cost of our group policy, the employer typically pays the remaining 60-70%, that in what Obammer, Hairy and Nancy Baby are gonna tax us on as “imputed income” to pay for their socialized medicine.

      • Roger L Whited

        IF THERE WERE 12 MILLION IN THIS COUNTRY THAT DIDN’T HAVE HEALTHCARE WHY IS IT GOING TO TAKE $ 800, BILLION(MIGHT BE I AM A LITTLE LOW ON ESTIMATE) TO TAKE CARE OF THESE FEW OF WHO I AM ONE?

      • NM

        BUSH! A good man and a good president..God Bless America and God bless Bush!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree. Fact is, he did great things, and the numbers show it. Only left wing agenda says different, and they dont accept the truth, so who cares what they say.

      • BigBadJohn

        The numbers show that he doubled the national debt by opening the treasury to the richest Americans.

      • http://yahoo MARK

        I am not a left winger. I am a conservative with an open mind. It is unfortunate that some of you are so party illiterate that you believe all the brain washing that your party of choice tells you. Democrat AND Republican. They are all Globalist. If you would study the history (laws, executive orders, phylosophy and memberships etc.) of your chosen leaders, you would see that we have been duped by BOTH parties into a ONE WORLD belief and thinking. Central bank follower Woodrow Wilson started our current downfall and since then ALL presidents have been paid for by big business and banking. The last American president we had was Andrew Jackson. Don’t ask me to spell all of this out for you. I have spent the past 10 years in my own research of history and documents related to what I say. Thousands of hours of reading, 16 – 20 hour days dedicated to finding the TRUTH.I used to believe in how great our leaders were, but facts have opened my eyes. Before any of you insult your intellengence by defending our past leaders, educate yourself.

      • tim

        “W” a Great president……???

        That is the most hilarious thing I’ve heard in DECADES………..

        “Catastrophic” leadership………PERIOD (except, right after 9/11, and then, he blew it, because he got “personal with Saddam)……..

      • WakeupUS

        Mark: You are a very smart man! Most people don’t know what you just explained in your comment. I know very few people who are aware of this and so they keep fighting amongst themselves not realizing that is what our leaders want. They want us distracted from the fact that they are all screwing us over. They have been bought out by the bank owners for generations. Any president who has thought about parting ways with the banks has been killed or they tried to kill him just to scare him back into submission. Yes, it is not worth defending any current presidents. You will make yourself look like a fool. You can say you are conservative or liberal, but don’t insult yourself by actually claiming a party. You only have to look around the globe to see that the bank leaders are in control of the world. If they want us to suffer they cause an economic catastrophy, a war, or take away some more of our rights. Wake up people! The real war is already over and all that is left are the battles until we all realize that we are really already under the control of whoever is in charge of the banks. The Federal Reserve is not owned by the US government it is owned by individual people. Wake up! Wake up!

      • Areucrazi

        Amen

      • toni

        And AMEN

      • Crewswho

        Are we all aware that if the president and company can cause enough civil disorder, he can declare an emergency, and stay in office? 1012 – and by 1016 there may not be such a thing as elections.

      • Josh

        Bush is a war criminal and should be tried for this and treason against the country. He is purely a puppet of his international masters and the military industrial complex of the country which accounts for 50 per cent of the country’s GDP.

      • tim

        Right you are, Josh………

      • http://aol wayne a

        josh and tim you are IDIOTS!show me proof,show me facts.next time you get a case of diarrhea of the mouth at least have some facts!

      • Bud

        Josh,
        What have you been smoking? May I have some?

      • shray77

        and you think obama isnt?, a puppet just keep thinking that way.

      • SeniorChief

        Let’s not let facts get in the way of a great party line, Josh. For the purpose of this furom I’ll use “Josh” as code for every declared “liberal” or “progressive” that I’ve ever come across. During the Bush administration this country went through the most devistating attach in our history outside of the Civil War, in case you forgot, it happened on September 11th, 2001. I was in Arabian Gulf when it happened supporting UN sactions against IRAQ. Have you ever wondered what it would feel like, Josh, to not know whether you where going to be attacked and not know where it may come from Josh. Again, just in case you forgot, Iraq slaughtered thousands of Kuwaiti’s in 1990 and 1991; among other attrocities. Oh, and he tried to assassinate a U.S. President (but you probably don’t know who that was). That was called the “Gulf War” Josh, I was there too. Little was heard in the States about Saddam Hussien’s daily attempts to shoot down our brave military pilots that were ordered to patrol the “no fly zone.” Little was said about the military lives lost supporting that effort. Little was said about the United Nation getting tired of dealing with Iraq or the movement inside the UN to lift the sanctions on Iraq (if you think that would have been a good thing-you realy are the idiot Wayne says you are). Iraq was readying itself for the lifting of UN sanctions and WOULD HAVE BEEN the primary threat to world stability.

        Bush DOUBLED THE DEFICIT during his term – that’s all? President Bush kept your sorry butt safe for eight years, but let’s not give him the credit; it would have happened anyways, right Josh.

        Josh, Obama quadrupled the deficit, ARE YOU BLIND! How can you argue negatively that Bush doubled the deficit while supporting Obama doubling down on that. Obama aplogizes for America, do you agree with that? Maybe we should apologize to the millions of Muslims we have saved from tyranny! Serbia/Kosovo (I was there), Iraq (I was there), Afhganistan (I was there, too – where were you Josh!)

        To all you “follow the Democtrat part line no matter what it is” folks out there, I only ask this: Please get some critical thinking skills!

        Go Navy!
        God Bless our troops and God Bless America!

      • JeffH

        SeniorChief, first off, Thank you for your service. Second…well said although the Joshs’ will get a bit upset with your words.

      • Right Wing

        Senior Chief…thank you. JeffH I doubt they will be back to say anything. There are two groups of people you never disrespect…the soliders and their families that bravely served to preserve freedom and the gravedigger that takes care of the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.

      • usainshambles

        CREWSWHO YOU ARE SO RIGHT! THAT IS WHAT I’M SCARED OF IS “MARSHAL LAW” IF THAT HAPPENS WE ALL BETTER GO TO CANADA OR SOMEWHERE CAUSE, WE’RE SCREWED. HE PROBABLY HAS THAT PLANNED, HE’S SO EVIL. CAN’T WE DO SOMETHING TO GET HIM OUT OF OFFICE LIKE IMPEACHMENT? IF SOMEONE KNOWS COULD THEY RESPOND, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. I READ IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS THAT WE COULD IMPEACH BOTH THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE PRESIDENT AT THE SAME TIME ON CERTAIN GROUNDS. HE HAS BROKEN ABOUT 3 ALREADY.JUST WONDERING>

      • usainshambles

        WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT BUSH? DAMN, OBAMA IS 1000XS WORSE DO YOU HEAR ALL THE STUFF HE IS GOING TO DO?

      • http://aol wayne a

        at least he was sincere,amen!

      • Chaos Factor

        Wayne… You wouldn’t know, comprehend or believe a fact if one sat on your nose….this country is where it is because of Bush

      • Bud

        Chaos Causer,
        You’re leaving out Jimmah Carter, Bill Clinton, Chris Dodd, and Barney Frank, not to mention The Exalted One, B. Hussein Obama.

      • Right Wing

        Bud, Chaos factor does not even have a nose for a fact to sit on. The problem with libs is they are historically short sighted and Bush is the only solid piece of history that their medical marijuana has not distorted…yet.

      • KELLI2L

        In my opinion:
        Bush had the evil doers on the run and that is preferable in my opinion to the suck-up in the WH today….who’s very good at appologizing for America…..and very good at allowing Congress to bankrupt us, or using his analogy – driving this car into the ditch for total destruction…..

        But the Bush administration hurt our economy by not stopping ILLEGAL immigration, which is a huge drag on Americas’ resources, and giving by giving tax breaks to the wealthy…..When you want to grow your nations economic wealth, you give tax breaks to business when they can prove they are hiring….and creating long-term jobs with living wage salaries….He gave tax breaks with no requirements…..that does nothing to create jobs….and Obama is making those same mistakes…..

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

        Well you stupid ah why don’t you take care of the dirtbags you ignorant dumb ah

      • jbird

        Linda,
        Did you just come in off the playground? Good grief! Let’s keep the discussion on an adult level. If you’ve got nothing more than name calling to add then go somewhere else. Please.

      • Evil_Fluffy

        Playground? Linda should try staying awake in elementary English class so as to better learn grammar and punctuation. Her comment exudes a total lack of mental capacity.

      • paul kimrey

        President O didn’t give us health care, he rammed and crammed it down our throats against the VAST majority of the people’s wishes with threats,bribes and back room deals. If thats not a THUG what is?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Amen brother, your preaching to the choir. And he set this up with the democrats buddies insurance companies, who no doubt will pocket billions off of this, and then fill the democrats pockets with our hard earned money that they all scammed us on. The poor working mother who couldnt afford insurance, will now be forced to buy it or pay a heavy fine for not buying it. That is so wrong, but that is how they set this up to insure they make some heavy cash. Only Joe Crack dealer who doesnt have a job, will benefit from this. All the homies sitting on the porches across America drinking 40′s and smoking pot all day, they benefit from this. Not one working person benefits from this. Those without insurance will now be forced to buy it, and those of us who have always paid for it through our employers, will now have our premiums raised, our coverage lessened, and these new government approved democrat buddies insurance companies will be allowed to charge people what ever they want, and will give minimum coverage, as they laugh all the way to the bank. Its a bad thing these democrats did, hiding in the back room behind close doors, and slipping this in against 65 to 70 percent of what America wanted. Shame on them.

      • Diamond Dave

        Berberoni – you a remarkably stupid human being. So your positon is that of the 45 MILLION – once more 45 MILLION people without health care – they are mainly crack heads and I guess people of color tapping 40′s on the porch. Well my friend those welfare warriors already get health care through Medicare and state top-ups. So they don’t need it. BUt yes working single Mom she sure does and the legislation makes it pretty clear she won’t be fined for not getting health unless she’s follish and short-sighted. It will cost a single Mom making $30,000 a year $600 a year for health coverage for her and her kids including prescription drug plan. Cover can no longer be cancelled for a pre-existing condition (so if you get a heart attack from your daily regiment of pork rinds and sausage biscuits you won’t get dropped by your own carrier) and to try and say that the Democrat Health Care companies are the big beneficiaries is just plain dumb.

      • Diamond Dave

        As for behind closed doors – welcome to American politics and governance based on representation by population as opposed to governance by whining illiterate mob mentality. The people who passed Health Care were duly elected officials. Just like the same morons who agreed with GW Bush to go in and not finish what his Daddy couldn’t finish in Iraq. Left, right – politicians are liars, but they are the best we have right now. So if you don’t like the choices get supporters, run for office and Be The Change! Otherwise just shut up.

      • tim

        Berberoni…..you are dimented………….

        Like i told others…….come to the South Side of Chicago projects and utter those words……….

        Again, you wouldn’t last 3 minutes…….you would run scared like a little puppy………..

      • American Citizen

        Plus, you’ll be lucky if you get the care you need. I heard a Senator (didn’t catch his name), who is also a doctor and practiced for 25 years, say there is a shortage right now of 150,000 primary care doctors. If this healthcare? bill isn’t rescinded, you will have to wait at least 42 days to be seen by your primary care doctor. The ER’s. which are already overrun by Medicaid patients, will have an even tougher time. The cost of medical care will go up, not down. The bill is a travesty for this country.

      • Bud

        Diamond Dave,
        You need to stop regurgitating the idiot talking points of the libtard statist fascists. My understanding is that there are, possibly, 12 million people in the country WHO WANT MEDICAL INSURANCE who might not have it. A good number of those 45 million the lib talking points claim have no insurance are eligible for various existing programs for medical care. Even your Exalted One lowered that number drastically in some of his public comments/statements.

      • Vicki

        Diamond Dave (and others) need to recheck their economics 101

        Add 45 million people to the demand side. Add 0 to the supply side.
        What happens to the price? Oh and toss in several trillion more in paper dollars in circulation.

        Now this does presume that most of the 45 million decide to go to the doctor. Remember this is a Health Insurance bill not a Health Care bill.

        Of course most of them will go to the doctor cause the insurance will be paying for it. So Demand skyrockets. Supply doesn’t move. Lots more dollars in circulation. Only one possible result of this equation.

      • Right Wing

        Diamond Dave…you never should have quit your singing career for reading the que cards of the liberal agenda setters. You are one angry, misguided American. I know how the Tea Party voted so I know my vote is heard loud and clear. Healthcare was rammed down the throats of Americans with a candy-coating of moral dilema. The fact is the government is not authorized to distribute federal tax money for charity. Public health care is a weak point in the hearts of Americans where the government will push for control. Big O got it done. But our voice will be heard so watch the November elections and be prepared to take your minority viewpoint to the trash.

      • Right Wing

        As for Tim…bring it to the south side of Chicago projects? You are out there my friend. You seem to suggest that the people who live in places like Robert Taylor (which were torn down) are just hapless victims! I really don’t think they are victims of anything except themselves. If anyone has an ounce of pride in themselves, then they feel ashamed when someone offers help. If they really want to change then they do it…they don’t sit back and panhandle or sell drugs to “get by”. I for one don’t work my butt off to help someone else I don’t even know “get by”. I help enough people I know because I feel a moral obligation to do it. I do NOT feel the government can take my money and decide who and where it goes to help. And as for your gansta pride that no one would last 3 minutes…you are right. I know city paramedics and they didn’t even go to the southside on holiday nights or after Bulls games because they would get shot at. They only went to clean up in the morning.

      • Angel

        The fact that there are a couple on here so far as I have read…that are absolutely right. That was Mark and WakeupUS…the Federal Reserve controls both sides..the Republicans and the Democrats. Look at the fact that both Bush and Obama have spoken of a New World Order. How many other presidents have spoken of the same? President JFK was assassinated right before he was to sign papers to do away with the Federal Reserve. One of his speeches spoke of the repugnance of secret societies. That, my friends is called the Illuminati who is behind the Federal Reserve. The 13 riches families in the world.

        Now, for the health care aspect. Working mothers, who will have to pay for this or get fined, will be forced…BECAUSE of this, to quit working. I hope you can see where this is going. In doing so, then they no longer get fined or have to pay out of their checks. This is EXACTLY what the government wants. The more you need their help, the more they CONTROL you.

        As for the immigration and anchor babies,firstly, Obama himself was born in Kenya. I do have some Kenyan friends who still live there 192 miles from Obama’s grandmother. So, he (Obama) is a little touchy on the immigration issue. Secondly, they have every intention of opening up the borders to both Mexico and Canada and that is why government is fighting this. This was their intention when they wrote the 14th amendment. This all has been planned for many MANY a year now.

        We are not fee and have been duped. People do need to wake up. I, and many friends of mine have also been doing the research. They OWN us. They have life insurance policies on all of us. If you delve into what they are doing with food and drugs you will be able to see how they are trying to kill us. Research drugs and vaccines. Go to the health freedom site. It all fits together like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. After awhile of looking at all the pieces…you can see the big picture!

      • Jana

        WOO HOO BB,
        We are getting bold and stepping out and making our voices heard. You are being attacked for it, but we have to consider the source.
        Those that think all of this secrecy is so great and stand for dishonesty in our government follow Obama like baby sheep going to the slaughter.
        Every time a new regime, communist, socialist etc comes in guess who are the ones who suffer the most? Thats right, its the poor people of our society. And these are the ones being led around by the nose and they can’t smell the danger. The others just have blinders on.
        I am always so surprised to hear when someone who loves loves loves Obama and blindly follows him, say they are Christians. These Christians must not read their Bible and if they do its with blinders on.

      • Jana

        I will even go one step further. Anyone who blindly follows any person, Democrat, Republican or Libertarian, will be greatly disppointed. These are people and they make mistakes. If we keep our eyes on God and choose leaders from that perspective, we will still be disappointed because they are human, but we will certainly have a better chance of having the Great Country that we have always been.
        It seems like since the 80′s we have gotten less and less good representation, and we are doing nothing but going downhill.

      • Sunshine

        Angel, Mark, and a VERY FEW others (you know who you are)..You so obviously have done your homework! I spend 4 & 1/2 years as a civilian in the military in Viet Nam. When I came home, I soon realized the lies I and others working in Nam had been spoon fed, and I began (45 years ago) researching government – everything they proposed, every bill they passed that came to public attention, (so many bills we never hear about), looking for and reading documents, etc. You have NO idea how every little item that you run across has a million tenacles-like an octopus, and every tenacle leads to another tenacle. It’s mind-boggling! I soon realized that everything that happens in government and in our lives has been planned for GENERATIONS – non of this just happened yesterday! For those who are UNINFORMED, try googling NWO and be prepared to spend the rest of your days reading (all the tenacles)and becoming educated about what is actually taking place in our lives today. Or to make it simple for you, just do the following: first, read the Communist Manifesto, and then research the background of every on of the 10 planks (which we have already adopted in this country). And then get into the “tenacles”. Second, have you ever looked into the background of the “pictures” on the back of a $1 bill? It shows the front and back of The Great Seal of the United States. Look up the Latin words “Novus Ordo Seclorum”. This two-step lesson should start you into a few tenacles which should give you better information about what has been going on for hundreds of years, which directly affect what is happening in our government and in our lives today, and hopefully you will come out of it better able to post a knowledgable, informed treatise.

      • toni

        Also sence they have no authority under the Constitution to pass Healthcare!

      • Chaos Factor

        Diamond Dave… That’s a couple of very good post from you… Keep’m coming..

      • Knute

        Diddo!!!

      • Vicki

        Health insurance (what really got passed) is NOT equal to health care and it will not be even close to free. If it were free then the government would not be forcing me and you to buy it at gunpoint.

        Think I am kidding about the gun? Try not buying the health insurance or dare to buy it from your choice of insurance companies that happen to not have paid off the government to be “approved”

      • Doug

        American Lib please explain how Obamanation gave us health care. Is he and his puppet master Soros paying the bill? You really should stop readying your illustrated childerns book and read something of substance such as the bill that you think gives us health care.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        No, the working man, you and me are paying the bill, so that the free loaders and illegal aliens can get another handout. Just the facts man.

      • American liberal

        Dougie … The healthcare bill has already become law… So why are you asking the question” how can he give us healthcare”…. I explained to you yesterday how it works…..the party that wins the election sets the agenda… President Obamas platform he ran on was healthcare ….and when Bush won he set the agenda… And that was tax cuts for the rich and a war aginst Iraq…..he did just that…..I didn’t like Bushs agenda…. You don’t like Obamas Agenda……get it yet ?

      • http://aol wayne a

        american liberal,and i use american loosely!first bush had the same intelligence before him that was presented to the committee,made up of rep. and dem. alike, who voted to send it to congress that voted 100% to go into iraq!second show the proof in print that bush’s agenda was to lower taxes just on the rich!as far as you bleeding hearts that claim the iraq war had to do with oil,what did we get out of it,nothing.and fact george bush jr. had no,no investments in the oil industry what so ever.the two congressman that had the most to gain was ted kennedy and john kerry,fact!

      • American Citizen

        The tax cuts were not “just for the rich, you Dems mantra”, everybody got them. Just wait until Obama lets them expire. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

      • Vicki

        American liberal says:
        “….the party that wins the election sets the agenda…”

        That must be why the founding fathers tried to create a Constitutionally LIMITED Republic. They knew the temptations that would befall man. How those in power would try to amass more power.

        It worked while men honored their oaths and upheld those Constitutional limits to government powers.

      • Jeep

        AL, you are so right. The Bush tax cuts were absolutely for the “rich”. That is if you count about the top 50% of the country as “rich”. Keeping in mind, of course, that the lower 50% do not pay any taxes, it is a little hard to give ‘em a tax cut…hmmm…

      • Rjp1952

        We don’t need his Health Care. If it was about all those w/o health care, they would have it immediately rather than 4 years down the roadk. Obama has surrounded himself with Marxist radicals and communists, this country is not about that. The health care is just a means to control us and reduce our freedoms. Obama uses union thugs and Marxists to protest/riot just as they are doing in Greece. What you see happening in Greece now, is us in a few years. So, surrounded by marxists, communists, and taking his advice form radicals and leftist union leaders like SEIU, He has distanced himself from the Reverand Wright, only because it was convenient, but that doesn’t work to those who are informed. We know Obama all to well and we know what he is. You can dress him up amd make him talk pretty, but he still smells the same.

      • American liberal

        Rjp…. Healthcare already passed…. You said you didn’t need it?.. Fine… I didn’t need a War aginst Iraq but I got it…. You don’t like the healthcare bill or anything else about President Obama.. Fine again … I didn’t like The war aginst Iraq or anything else about Bush..,.I also think all the things you accuse president of being are really true of Bush….. That’s the way it goes isn’t it…… I also will keep pointing out that most of the spending you accuse Obama of are bailouts that Bush caused… But I’m positive that won’t matter to you..

      • del

        It is my understanding that Clinton was the one that signed the fair housing act. That is what caused the majority of our financial problems. What did Bush do to bankrupt this country?

      • http://aol Glad to Serve

        Amer Lib- Health care is being forced on all working Americans who pay taxes. There was no representation in Washington for the people, only for the elite sitting on the hill. The war was fought by those who VOLUNTEERED to serve their country. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR YOUR COUNTRY BUT BELLYACHE!! Barry O has acted like a Chicago gangster ever since he was elected (by less than 50% of Americans). He has ruled the roost by threats, intimidation, bribery and coercion, both in the open and behind closed doors. He blatantly holds the people of this country (mostly the whites- as a total racist) in utter contempt. He still has not proved that he is an American citizen! When will you people realize what kind of a man he is? When he throws down a prayer rug in the White House and declares the Muslim religion the state religion? He hates everything about this country and has said it many times in his lifetime, including his time in Chicago as a community activist and in his church with rev. wright. Wake up and smell the communism.

      • Bud

        del,
        No it was Jimmah Carter who signed the “Community Reinvestment Act.” Slick Willie Clinton put the Act into overdrive, and the excesses of Freddie/Fannie, etc. were protected doggedly by Barney Frank (who was sleeping with a guy from one of those agencies) and Chris Dodd (he of the special mortgage loan) through their committee positions.

      • Vicki

        The evidence to support the assertion that Barny Frank and Chris Dodd and others blocked President Bush and his parties efforts to investigate the problems at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mai before they caused the economic problems of 2008

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

      • JustaPatriot38

        I am a bit like the cat making love to the skunk, I’ve enjoyed about all of this I can stand! Mr. American liberal, if you ever take off your blinders and remove your rose colored glasses this world we are becoming will literally scare the hell out of you. There has been a couple or three pretty intelligent dissertations among this mass of drivel, such as by Mark or WakeupUS, but you say you don’t like Bush, and others say they don’t like Obama, but I don’t like either one of them and several before them. Most of what we hear in the news about all the different issues are simply chaff and flack to confuse the public and mask what the New World Order is attempting to do; destroy this country, to make it conform to the third world philosophy. Redistribution of wealth! A level playing field is very boring, and it stifles competition and the will to get ahead. We will no longer be the “Land of Opportunity.” This didn’t start with Obama, but he has taken the mistakes of several past presidents and put them on steroids. Just get a mental picture of this, if it isn’t too much for you; here is Uncle Sam, on his back with many ropes holding him down. Each rope is held by some lilliputian Congressman or Obama Czar. Some upstart dictator is taking a dump in his top hat off to the side. There is a long-legged MacDaddy called Obama standing on his chest with a mallet in one hand and a stake above Uncle Sams heart in the other. All the little liberal mental patients and illegal aliens are standing around jumping and clapping and cheering! When the mallet comes down, the stake goes in, and the New World Order will commence in earnest. I hope you will enjoy what you have wished for. I am sure I won’t, because I enjoy a Constitutional Republic under limited capitalism, where I get to keep some of what I earn and distribute my charity as I see fit. Socialism has always failed, but recovering from it is unfortunately a very painful process. One must remember, such things as free entitlements, regardless of whether it is health care or whatever, are not free. Someone has to pay for them. When all the working people, wealthy or middle class, get tired of working for nothing because the government takes it all and gives it to the “entitled masses” who are the non-productive leaches who could work but won’t, they will give up and become one more of the “entitled” and there will then be no one left to steal money from to give away. Remember, wealthy people are necessary in the overall process because you have never been offered employment by a poor person. Now we can all starve together rather than stand together and the country will fail. Won’t that be wonderful? Pull your head out and look around you. We must learn that multi-cultural, multi-lingual countries never survive due to the greed and stresses caused by it. Man cannot serve two masters, let alone three or a dozen; and two sets of laws, the Constitution and Sharia, cannot coexist. If you hyphenate your race, such as African-American or Hispanic-American, and etc., you are not a real U.S. Citizen, but a divided citizen, and you don’t know where your loyalty lies. If you don’t like living in a Constitutional Republic, where we tolerate any religion, even none, and a great deal more, then please, please just go to some other country where they do things more to your liking; just don’t come in to my country and screw it up trying to make it conform to your culture. Learn to be a part of the melting pot, not the salad bowl! It might be wise if Australia, a fine, well governed country with a single culture, begins to prepare for a serious influx of immigrants from the United States who can afford to move before the collapse. This really isn’t a laughing matter. Wake up America!

      • kilrntex

        I’ll sure be glad when we as Christian Soldiers get our chance to lay our healing hands on you liberal’s throats or heads. That is the only way we can change your mindless thinking and reprogram your robotic brain. Only then will you be healed and able to carry on a conversation with real people. You people have a scary mindset, but you have bark and no bite. We have a small bark, but a huge bite.

      • Right Wing

        JP38…good post. Sorry about the skunk though…sounds like a bad night. Your summation is rational and to the point which is all the reason why the liberals will not respond (if at all) with anything but slander, diversion, or nonsense. I particularly liked your “Swift-esque” analogy.

      • Kemp

        Mike,, wait untill you get the bill on the health care he is”giving”us.Remember thre are no free rides someone will PAY.. (taxpayers)

      • American liberal

        Kemp… Were still paying the Bill for Bushs tax cuts to the rich and his war in Iraq and the interest on our debt to China…. The healthcare bill has yet to cost you a penny and unless you make more than 250,000 a year it shouldn’t cost you….. The bailouts are also spending we can trace back to Bush….and the same people that advised Obama also advised Bush and McCain…..both partys voted on the bailouts and they started during the last administration…… I’ll take Obama spending on healthcare anyday opposed to the rightwing war in Iraq and tax cuts to the rich… Which I doubt you are…

      • toni

        Tell that to a friend of mine who is 70 yrs old and still working and AT&T is talking about cutting their benifits because of the cost of healthcare Bill. Im a vet & I can’t aford healthcare eather I must fire the people who work for my co. or close my business altogether and lay everyone off if I have to buy healthcare or pay fines Get the picture.

      • American Citizen

        I guess you’re not a senior citizen. We got no COLA raise this year nor will we for the next two years, yet Congressmen and women gave themselves a 10% raise. The cost of living is going up. Our utility bills are getting bigger, even though we’re trying to use less. Our grocery bill keeps going up, even though I try to buy only what we need. You liberals are going to be the death of this country as we know it. Stop forging those chains.

      • Vicki

        And tell me please AL if you will. Why, If the health insurance bill is such a good deal, are all the members of congress exempt?

      • Abraham, Springfield, PA

        I agree with yu9. Those who STILL and WILL most certainly hate Obama are the RACIAL BIGOTS of America. They are the scum of civilized people. You are abslutely right. Obama has not done anything as outrageous as Bush, the “worst president America ever had”. You can imageine how chagrined all Obama haters were when an outsider, The Noble Prize Committee of Europe awarded him the world’s greatest honor. What awaits the racial bigots?—I hope to see the day when Bush is finally summoned to face charges for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY and at the Hague for murdering more than half a million Iraqis who didn’t have anything to do with 9-11 or WMDs and be summoned in an American court for DECEIVING the American people into going into war in Iraq without justification.

      • gary

        Abraham what would you have done? I do not want to know what you “would not have done”.

      • CJ

        Abraham, you need to look again. Obama has done more damage to this country in one year than Bush did in eight. Now, calling everybody names doesn’t help your position either. It just shows how little you are if you can’t come up with original thought and have to stoop to slinging derogatory insults, then you might want to seek help dealing with the poison you hold in. Provide something constructive, please.

      • Chaos Factor

        Cj… List Obamas crimes…. You neo cons all call him the same names Rush abd Glenn Beck tell you to call him… And you all claim he’s destroying the country … But none of you say what he’s done.,..,. Keep in mind that Healthcare hasn’t cost you a penny….and the Bailouts voted on while the last administration was still in office and that almost all the spending has been trying to stimulate the economy that was in freefall before we even had an election … You might add what rights you think you’ve lost…ok.. List away

      • linda latham

        Amen! This country is going down fast under the present administration. I am sure Bush contributed as well as all other Presidents way back. However America has never seen the likes of what we have now and if something isn’t done we may never recover. Gone will be the days of the Land of the Free!
        I believe we have lived with God’s blessings this long because we were a Christian nation. Now we are fastly becoming a Muslim nation– will God remove His blessing? We need to pray for Christian leaders and a revival before its too late.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yeah right. You show your complete ignorance and who is the racist here when you bring up the race card. YOUR A RACIST sir. I could care less what color this jerk in the white house is. He is a left wing liberal pacifist appeaser, as was Bill Clinton before him. He is a democrat, tax raising, hand out giving, enemy butt kissing anti American, and that is why I dont like him. But dont you even bring his skin color into this you racist piece of crap. He is half white also, ok. He isnt black, he isnt white, he is a human being. Get over your prejudice, and put the race card away. A black man as you called him has risen to the highest office in the land, and if he can do, any other person can do it. The race card is dead. The only thing holding anybody back is themselves and their attitudes. You are a pathetic human being to still throwing the race card around. Shame on you.

      • Areucrazi

        I couldn’t have said it better Beheroni.

      • tim

        Hey Berberoni……….What red-neck militia do YOU belong to………
        Are you wholed-up in the woods somewhere WAITING, for next American Revolution?………….

      • del

        I think Tim has a problem with rednecks. Even though there are far more patriotic rednecks than there are any other geo specific group of people. Maybe he is just anti American.

      • tim

        No Del…….not un-american…….
        Just don’t much like Red-Necks…………..

      • libertytrain

        Tim – you’re showing your racist tendencies again.

      • del

        Why don’t you like rednecks tim? Is it offensive to you that, values and morals are still practice in the southern states? Why don’t you tell me. Seriously give it a moment of thought and tell me why exactly you have a problem with the south. I’m not looking for a battle of words with you. I am honestly interested in your opinion.

      • Jana

        BB,
        Be aware Tim goes by 3 names,
        Tim, tim, and timr.

        Its so nice to see he has calmed down a bit from previous posts, but obviously still can’t control himself all the way.

      • Right Wing

        Yeah timmy is a real piece of work. Prejudice for sure and likes to think of all conservatives as red necks. He is probably a metro-sexual still feeling the anger that his heroes like Adam Lambert and Johnny Weir only had a few minutes of fame before being relegated to the stockpiles of freak shows pushed forward by liberals.

      • crystal

        I don’t support Obama. I’m African American and I haven’t agreed with one darn thing he has done since he got into office. The only thing I can give him credit for is the fact that he’s got me really reading the bills and legislation being passed with a fine tooth comb.

      • Mickey

        Please drop the “African” from American. You are one of us. The separation is being used to condone Mexicans saying they are Mexican Americans when we know they are not.

        I have six nationalities in my family but all of us are US citizens.

        But you are right, the whole country is readiing and listening now. We are no longer separatists. Thank you.

      • Tammy

        You drank the koolaid of the mental disordered liberals. You are a hopeless cause.

      • American liberal

        Abraham…. Good post…… When you get attacked like you have on this site means you’ve told the truth…

      • Vincent

        Keep drinking the kool aid and repeat the lies you are being told by your master. Democrats are the most racist people in the USA. They point the finger at everyone else all the while they are using the worst form of discrimination which is tearing apart families with your reward for not getting married (Welfare) and your reward for not getting a job (Welfare and Foodstamps and Medicaid). You democrats are also responsible for the low birth rate in our country by advertising in our public schools the availabilty and recommendation that girls have abortions as a form of birth control.

      • airangel

        @Am Lib…you would’t know the truth if it appeared to you via a burning bush because you’re so hung up on being a reverse racist of whites!

      • Right Wing

        ALib, I never thought that pissing people off by making foolish remarks would be a good measure of success? I guess if you have a patent desire to draw a negative focus on yourself while also showing your limited intellect then your sights are set? If you have set this (mediocre) standard for yourself and your liberal friends then let me be the first to congratulate you on your many past and future successes here. Way to go you mental limbo contestants.

      • Cathy

        Cut out the freakin’ racial bigot thing, OK? That’s all the libtards do whenever ANYONE criticizes Barry in ANY way. It’s because we are bigots. No…it’s because he of his policies.

        For all you Obummer lovers, check out his past, at least what you can find since he’s hidden most of it.

        If I were back in my childhood, my mother would not have allowed me to hang around with his associates, and probably not Obummer either! “Birds of a feather flock together.” Get it?

      • joant

        Abraham, What are you talking about? Obama, didn’t get elected by only black voters, he drew people of every color, because the voters fell, for his promises of the most transparent government in history— HUH! He took off the mask after being elected, hired the most radical staff ever seen in the white house, and began to fundamentally mold America into his dream. I said his dream, not that of Patriotic America citizens.President Obama, failed to include the American citizens in his plans,apparently he misread his election as a mandate to do as he pleased. We happen to like our Republic created by our founders who were men of great vision,and “we the people” do not want it dismantled. Our Constitution, has been our guide for over two hundred years, however President Obama, has been quoted as saying that great document is outdated. He’s wrong! Sadly, Obama who promised to unite the country ,has done the exact opposite. In his visits to other countries , he felt it necessary to apologize, for what he perceives to be America’s faults. What does America have to apologize for Mr. President? Is an apology, for the Civil War, that split our nation in the fight to free black people ,from the bonds of slavery. Perhaps, Mr Obama,is ashamed of the US men and women, who fought in two world wars, Korea and Nam aiding other nations, in their fight against an insidious enemy? There is no excuse for a US President, to forget the ultimate sacrifice those warriors paid,and to embark on an apology trip to some nations who would love to see us fail.

      • American Citizen

        Obama was elected by the blacks and young, wet behind the ears, people. Obama looked at the cameras, read from his teleprompter. and flat out lied for votes. They thought they were part of a “historic event.” As soon as Obama got into office, he began to show his true colors and they’re not black nor white, they’re red, communist red. So to call him a Red, is that racist or stating a fact?

      • Star827

        I want to know WHY ON CREATOR’S GREEN EARTH people who DO NOT AGREE WITH OBAMA AND HIS ADMINISTRATION’S POLICIES are suddenly RACIST BIGGOTS??!!!!??? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???!!!! Just because I or anyone do not agree with someone’s political position/policies DOES NOT again for the slow learners now…DOES NOT make me or them a RACIST BIGGOT!! Playing the race card makes YOU no better than someone who IS a racist biggot,and smacks of REVERSE RACISM on YOUR part!! STOP with the DAMN RACE CARD already!!
        I’d also like to know WHY people think Bush is a war criminal??!!Did he commit an act of war against his own country??NO.Did he initiate the attacks on this country??NO.Did he initiate the powers given to him by the constitution to declare war on someone who DID perpetrate an act of war on this country??YES-and it was VOTED upon and APPROVED by CONGRESS.ANY reasons above and beyond that for the war in the middle east are simply that – reasons above and beyond what was used to actually declare war.Oh – and that vote??It was a “yes” from those who turned-coat and now condemn it – example – HILLARY CLINTON,JOHN KERRY (imagine that – a turn-coat a second time)…check the records yourself.Those reasons above and beyond are also up to being held as speculation for fodder.Meaning…anyone can argue his or her version of the truth – for truth is a subjective form of perspective.It is FACTS – PROVEN BY EVIDENCE – hard core FACTS that matter.BILL CLINTON had the FACTS – BILL CLINTON denied us the chance to finish what we started.Our military BUSTED THEIR BUTTS to STOMP A MUD HOLE in the collective behind of Sadaam Hussein over there and he REFUSED to give the order to finish it.Bush “Sr.” was TOLD BY THE U.N. he could NOT go after Hussein.HE had the intel.HE knew.He passed that info on to BILL CLINTON.As did the CIA,the FBI,and other intelligence committees.There WERE WMD’s over there.There was a video of either an Army or Marine commander who uncovered them when we first went over there the first time.That video has “mysteriously” disappeared.The video was there AGAIN the NEXT time we were there – CLEARLY showing the Iraqi’s moving the WMD’s into SYRIA.That video has also “mysteriously” disappeared.WE HAD THE EVIDENCE.When the attack came,we had the clinching REASON we were ABLE to declare war.Of course we later found only pieces and parts of what WOULD HAVE BECOME wmd’s.Do you think those people are idiots??Tell me,please,how this makes Bush 47 a war criminal.Really…I’d like to know.I may not have agreed with all of the man’s decisions,but he was a decent president.And yes,the debt doubled under him.You can’t fund a military that’s in a war without doing that!For crying out loud – it took that man 8 YEARS to do it!Obama has TRIPLED the debt in 1 – ONE – year!!!!! And you people have the AUDACITY to say BUSH was the WORST president???!!Are ANY of you old enough to remember JIMMY CARTER??!!Did you SEE what HE did to the debt by having an inflation rate of 30%??The HIGHEST it EVER had been in this country??!! Oh but we don’t need to think about that,right? We don’t need to go back to the progressive movement that started in this country in the 1830′s-ish steam-rolling down the tracks with Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt and now Obama.Oh NO….pointing out things like THAT means I MUST be a RACIST BIGGOT…excuse me while I go try to rinse the bile from my mouth…

      • Sunshine

        Please note, that those DEMS who would call the rest of us “RACIST BIGOTS” would do well to check the history behind the Civil Rights Act. They would find that it was the REPUBLICANS who pushed the ACT through; the DEMS voted NO to civil rights!

      • Vincent

        You are the racial bigot because you resort to calling everyone racist if they do not agree with the current socialist administration. Democrats use race to advance their agenda all the while accusing the republicans of being racist. The poor minorities don’t even realize that all the democrats want is for them to be on foodstamps and welfare they don’t really want them to succeed. Repbulicans have done more for minorities then the democrats have but the reason no one realizes this is because the democrats also have the lame stream media on thier side. The truth will get out and that is why the democrats don’t want to enforce our illegal immigration laws.

      • toni

        Decieving the American people thats all BHO has done mislead with a pervertion of the meaning of words

      • http://aol wayne a

        abraham,you got a bad,bad case of diarrhea of the mouth!theres not one word of truth to what you said!what,just because you said so?lets see the proof?your opinion sure in the hell doen’t mean much!

      • Chaos Factor

        Toni… Have you looked at the small business tax credits offered?…and the bill is for people that can’t afford care…especially small business owners…google” tax credits for small business” healthcare”….. You might be suprised at your benifits

      • airangel

        OMG! you people on here that bow to Obama are so ignorant it’s pathetic, you are so blinded by what you’re told or the propaganda in your community that you don’t even seek out the truth…reminds me of the story “The Emperors New Clothes”…I’ve seen many posters ask you direct questions to substantiate your claims and you avoid them because your only fight is Bush this and that and Iraq this and that which only proves your ignorance of who was in Congress during Bush – go back to the Library and learn your history and how a democracy works..the race card is old because it’s simply a lie!

      • Sunshine

        To add to that, one might put forth the fact that the DEMS had control of Congress during the last year or two of the Bush administration!

      • American Citizen

        What in blue blazes did Obama do to deserve the Nobel prize? That prize means nothing any more. Just look at who they have given it to the last few years.

      • Bud

        Abraham,
        Take a chill pill.
        Anyone who has any comprehension at all of current conditions in the U.S. knows that the cry of “RACIST” is the last resort of liberals who have no case on the merits of an argument.
        Also, “progressive” was created as a more acceptable word to disguise communist party front groups.

      • Evil_Fluffy

        Why is it that whenever Obama is being discussed, the people who cannot handle the truth (a/k/a Obama Lovers) always bring up Bush? No one here mentioned Bush while discussing the terrible things Obama is doing to this country. Please note the present tense. In case you (and others like you) were unaware, Bush is no longer President. He’s gone. Obama and Bush have nothing to do with each other. Just because you cannot handle the facts on Obama, do not try to blur them by bringing up Bush. That is a ridiculous and inane comparison. All it does is solidify how clueless you truly are.

        Being against a President does not make one a racial bigot. How stupid are you? I was againt Bush, as well. So in your small, uneducated mind, if you’re against a white President it’s okay, but if you’re against a black President you are a racial bigot? I do not think so! We’re against him due to his policies and what he stands for – nothing to do with color. The true racial bigots are those who think it does and who cannot handle facts!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        He is a thug, because he went behind closed doors, illegally forced this health care down our throats that 65 percent of Americans didnt want. And I will tell you, the 35 percent that think they want it, if they educated themselves as to what it entails, that at least 25 percent of them would change their minds. This so called “free” health care isnt free pal. Look into it. It is free for Joe Crack Head on the corner, because he doesnt have a job. But for Jane Doe who is single mother with a job and 2 kids, and didnt have health care because she couldnt afford it, will now be forced to buy it at a higher rate than before, and if she doesnt, she will receive a fine of around 1500.00 for it. You think when this happens, her eyes wont open as to what these guys have done. And they present to you like the insurance companies are the bad guys, yet these same democrats have set in place their buddies insurance companies, who will reap billions of dollars from this, and will be allowed to set any kind of levels of payments and coverage they want. You better get yourself some schooling if you think this health care is a good thing, because it is one of the worst things to ever be slapped upon the American people ever, especially when it is being forced on us against our will. Ive always had insurance, because I work for a living you see. Only now, Ive allready been told my premiums are going up, and my coverage is going to be less, because of this democrat ram-rod health care system. You are absolutely nuts if you want the government to run this. Have you not learned from history yet? They run social security, medi-care, medi-caid, the public schools, the U.S. Post Office, and all these things are bankrupt, broken, and out of money. Now you give them the best health care system in the world to run into the ground. Unbelievable, that people like you think this is a good thing. You will find out.

      • American liberal

        Bebe… And I’m sure you called Dick Cheney a thug for his secret energy meetings… Right……or the meeting Bush had over Iraq…. You know , his meetings with Curveball… The drunken Iraqi Bush used for intelligence ?

      • del

        Please tell us American Liberal what YOU know of the secret meetings and Bush’s intelligent sources.

      • Star827

        I agree with those who are saying this “healthcare” isn’t free.But I,for one,WILL NOT be forced into “buying” anything.It is unconstitutional,and I WILL NOT DO IT.And for anyone who wants to know,oh yes,I DO have to worry about it.I AM that single mom who’s unemployed,can’t get a job,ISN’T on welfare,and DOES NOT have health insurance.I WILL NOT let someone TELL ME what is best for me and my children.I WILL NOT be FORCED into something I DO NOT WANT.TAKE YOUR “GIVEN” HEALTHCARE AND PUT IT WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE!!!! I WILL make a way for what healthcare we need to be PAID FOR BY ME.I WILL work as I can,when I can.I WILL NOT depend on someone else’s tax money for MY INCOME.Have I been on welfare?TEMPORARILY,yes.Because my children’s health depended on it.That’s what it was originally designed for – TEMPORARY – HELP.It’s a hand UP,not a hand OUT.

      • toni

        Fine sweety live in your fantasy

      • airangel

        Good for you Star for showing enough pride and self respect to not stay on Welfare like some other parasites that milk it for all its worth. It was not designed to be a lifeline or a way of life but a helping hand in hard times until citizens could get back on their feet and it was never meant for illegals!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        toni,
        Why is she living in a fantasy? Because she doesn’t agree with YOUR fantasy?? Get a grip girl! She is what this country was meant to stand for. take a hand up if you need it,but never depend on others to get your food. Do it by your own sweat and labor!!

      • http://sbcglobal.net GRANDPA47

        Beberoni I agree with you 200% on what you posted.I just want give you my opinion on Social Security.When SS first came about it was ment as a retirement fund for people who couldn’t afford to take money out of thier check’s every to save for money down the road (their retirement)and also put extra money into the accounts of those who could to save for their retirement.Then along can the politicians and seen all that money(and there was alot)in the SS fund and said to themselves why don’t we ues this money for this and that and we’ll put an I.O.U in the and pay it back later.The trouble is later never came and that is why SS is almost broke.But the politicians made sure that their pensions were not touched,that is why SS is in the shape that it is in–POLITICS and nothing else.It’s no different than you taking money out of your check(not for SS) and putting it in the bank in your savings account and the lends it out someone and when go to get it,it isn’t there.To what those Congressmen and Senators did is ROBBERY yet NO ONE IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE for taking my money that I payed into SS and not giving it back to me.Just my thoughts on this Thanks for listing.

      • American Citizen

        They need to get every working American to pay into the SS system since it’s not voluntary for anybody but government workers. The Federal Government is the biggest employer, yet those workers have their own pension plan and do not pay into SS. We have to pay into it our whole working lives. SS will only allow to to exist, not completely pay for your retirement. So you need a supplemental income. That’s why you see senior citizens as Wal-Mart greeters, taking in laundry, renting out a spare room, etc. The young liberal, progressives have a rude awakening coming. They want to take this country backwards. That’s called “regressing” not progressing.

      • Abraham, Springfield, PA

        I agree with you. Those who STILL and WILL most certainly hate Obama are the RACIAL BIGOTS of America. They are the scum of civilized people. You are abslutely right. Obama has not done anything as outrageous as Bush, the “worst president America ever had”. You can imageine how chagrined all Obama haters were when an outsider, The Noble Prize Committee of Europe awarded him the world’s greatest honor. What awaits the racial bigots?—I hope to see the day when Bush is finally summoned to face charges for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY and at the Hague for murdering more than half a million Iraqis who didn’t have anything to do with 9-11 or WMDs and be summoned in an American court for DECEIVING the American people into going into war in Iraq without justification.

      • Doug

        Yep and Obamanation the biggest RASIST there is will be hanging from the rope for treason along with his buddies Polsi, Reed, and the rest of the communist in the Shit house!

      • Tammy

        AMEN!!!

      • tim

        Hangin form a rope, Doug…..???

        Did you want to bring back “lynching”……..is that what I hear????

        To all of you out there, who have come after me for derogatory comments, why don’t you come out and condemn these as well???????

      • Sheldon

        Hey Doug… quick question. Your spelling is consistently error free, does that mean you take off your KKK hood when you type? Does the light from the cross-burning make it easier to see your monitor? I’m afraid your lynching recommendation gave you away.

      • Right Wing

        Tim you are a raw exposed nerve for anything that can be associated with slavery or racism. So much so that you are racist and ignorant. Lynching was death sentence for criminals of all types and was not “invented” for people of any color in particular. Hanging from a rope is therefore a metaphor you moron unless you want to show just how thin your skin is and throw racist remarks around. Oh and by the way…I was not implying that “thin” skin was any particular color so don’t chuck any spears at me.

      • Rev. Jimmie Lee Robins

        If America is fortunate enough to survive the Obama administration. I think those few individuals who are left out there. And, believe me they are in the minority. And, this minority is growing smaller everyday. Will realize their folly, as the so called Democrat’s wake to the realization that they made a drastic mistake in electing this indivdual, regardless of raceial background. What gets my dander up is that these indivuals blindly bannded together to elect an indivdual who is not qualified to hold the office. Not saying that Bush was the best or worest President, but he is no way as damaging to our country as is Obama. It is time to impeach him before he can totally distroy America. If you, those who support him, do not recognize this you are blind. The stund he pulled with the President of Mexico. Is almost as damaging as the stunt he pulled in bowing to the King of an Arab country.

      • tim

        Sheldon…….be careful, because they will call YOU the racist, for pointing out their racist remarks……………

        For some reason, they just don’t see it…………

      • tim

        You speak the Truth, abraham………Kudos!!!

      • airangel

        Tim you are a hypocrite…you applaud Abraham, yet he calls peoeple scum…so much for your revered name calling…it’s OK if they’re on your side and wrong if they disagree with you – HYPOCRITE!

      • JohntheMick

        Hey Ms. 22 year old, my great grandmother (whom I bounced on her knee) was a slave. Is that all liberals can do is name calling ? You must be young because Jimmy Carter was actually a bigger tird than Barry. Neither one of them could lead dishwater down a drain. If I think you are stupid I don’t even think about your lineage. I dislike his policies and his disrespect of our great nation. That makes him bad.

      • toni

        Great!

      • Da Norseman

        Definition of a bigot and a racist: anyone white who supports political correctness.

      • American Citizen

        Abraham, you and the rest of the liberals on here are the only ones playing the race card. If you want to see a racist, look in the mirror.

      • http://donaldson16@verizon.net sixgun

        Your a typical liberal Obama lover who thinks that anyone who dissagrees with obama and speaks out against him must be a racist or bigot WRONG!!!Like so many you have been brain washed and are blinded as to what is going on.Obamas skin color DOES NOT MATTER its his politics.WAKE UP!!!

      • Rachel

        Hussein Obama not a thug? just tell me who he associates with and who he assigned as thugs as our czars? is that not enough? Most are communists and want to ruin this great nation.

      • tim

        Rachel…….like the corporate Oil “thugs”, the Bush Family held hands with for all of those years??????

        Or Cheney??…..the biggest “thug” of them all…….(at least, when he’s not having one of his many heart attacks)

      • Vincent

        No oil rig exploded while Bush and Cheney were in charge why did this happen two and half weeks after Obama said he wanted to research opening some areas to offshore drilling? Why have we been attacked four times since Obama has been in office? Why has the jobless rate risen to 10% while the Democrats are running the show? Their goal is to destroy our country they don’t care about you or any of us. Why is Obama meeting with terrorists? Are you ready to convert to Islam because that is what will happen if we continue with this administration.

      • tim

        But vincent…….the Big one……..9/11…..occured on “W”‘s watch………..no denying THAT

      • http://aol wayne a

        tim,this is a fact,it was on fox news and aol and yahoo news also.george bush jr. had absolutely no investments in the oil industry what so ever!there were two congressman that had the most invested in the oil industry,ted kennedy and john kerry!

      • Bud

        Tim,
        Get a grip!
        At least the oil industry is providing a commodity which we must have.
        The Obama thugocracy is doing its best to make those essential commodities so expensive those of us on limited incomes will not be able to afford them.

      • Areucrazi

        This is in response to tim

        tim says:
        May 21, 2010 at 12:31 pm

        But vincent…….the Big one……..9/11…..occured on “W”’s watch………..no denying THAT

        George W Bush was sworn in as President of the US, January 20, 2001

        Terrorist Attack hit: September 11, 2001

        He had only been in office a little over 8 months!

        Are you saying 9/11 was all of his doing?

        It was the terrorist who planned for years and years to destroy the US. I guess no one thought about four ordinary planes going into buildings fully loaded with jet fuel.

        Think about all the Presidents before him.

        President George W. Bush declared war on Iraq on the 20th of March 2003. At least he had the guts to do something about it.

        War is never pleasant! Our service Men and Women deserve your respect. They have given their time and lives so that you can live in a free country.

        Why do you think Iraq hates the United States so much? Why do think so many flee to the US to get away from their own countries? It is call FREEDOM!!!!!

        How many times do you think we would have been hit by terrorist if he didn’t do anything about this?

        You can’t tell me that a county can’t get rid of WMD in those few years before we even went into Iraq…

        Protecting our country is the job of the President. Oh I forgot Obama rather kneel down on a Muslim rug on the White House steps. I guess it took all he had in his body to put his hand on the Holy Bible.

        You need to be looking on the outside in, instead of the inside out.

        You always reap what you sow…

      • Rev. Jimmie Lee Robins

        It astounds me that there are still a few individuals out there in never-never land that still are disallousined my Obama’s left wing agenda. Obamacare is one of the most desasterous bill’s ever passed in the history of America. Not to mention the other self serving programs that he has rammed down the throats of Americans without benefit of due process. The issue of illegal aliens is the best example. The majority of American paople do not support amnesty for illegal aliens. They do support building a fence along the border and keeping illegal aliens out. A majority of Americans support Arizona’s law which does nothing other than support and identify federal law.

      • Diamond Dave

        I am amazed at the selective blindness and stupidity of the lower life forms on this site. “Amnesty for illegal aliens” – that was G. W. Bush policy – he campaigned on. It was not a lefty, Liberal, Obamanation, commie, Marxist – whatever you inbred, illiterate clowns want to call it – plot. It was a Bush policy embraced by the left. I guess he wanted to make sure his “wetback” family tree had a place in America – so let’s slag G.W. And as for the 14th amendment – if the 14th amendment didn’t exist you would all be bound by the principle of “jus sanguinis” – Citizenship by Original Blood and neither you, nor your children or anyone else could become President of the United States – well except some Indian since they were the only ones really born here to original citizens. The 14th Amendment was created to address that archaic and impossible concept of immigration and legal status not to address the North/South divide.
        Let’s keep going to Obama not being born in Hawaii – all the records are there. Two government-placed Mandatory Notices of Birth were in local newspapers – this is just more Neanderthal garbage and that Army officer who is refusing duty because of it is just a [offensive word removed] and should be shot for dereliction of duty.

      • Brandon Darby

        Seriously, bush bashing after a year and a half of Obama? That’s original…

      • Diamond Dave

        Not Bush bashing. Just stating the simple fact that GW Bush introduced the Illegal Alien Amnesty, not Obama and not the liberal left. C’mon get with the program

      • toni

        LOL ROFL

      • airangel

        Idiot…the first Amnesty was granted during Reagan to 1.8 million illegals and NOTHING has been done in 24 years on any Presidents watch so I could care less about Obama and Bush but I do care about this problem getting resolved in the here and NOW! So stop with the best and worst of past Presidents and come up with something useful and valid for uniting this country and returning it to a prosperous, freedom loving nation rather than this impoverished, inner city slum nation that it is becoming

      • http://?? Joe H.

        cubiczirconia Dave,
        Name two liberals that haven’t supported amnesty! And I don’t mean your next of kin. I mean politicians. Gee, do you think you can find it? Or do you have to get in touch with Alinski pro headquarters first???

      • American liberal

        Wayne…. Bush jr owned a Texas oil company…. Ran it bankrupt… If fact he failed at everything he ever did…. Google… You better stop watching Fox news…

      • del

        Bush sold his oil company to william dewitt and mercer reynolds and made out with a 200% in gain 1983. maybe you should google it

      • Bud

        Perhaps you should START watching Fox news.

      • Jana

        No, Am. Lib wants to watch the news like CBS who is owned by GE who is a big supporter of Obama, as well as has invested heavily in the global warming propaganda. That why they won’t report any real news or do any investigative journaling.
        Thats sure a real winner.

      • http://none bogusbob

        I guess American Liberal wanted something for nothing, ie free health care for the lazy and a big bill for those of us that work for a living. Obviously American Liberal and all the other idiots that voted for this jihadist in the whitehouse, are to ignorant to understand that his socialist healthcare won’t even affect him and others waiting in the bread line for someone to pay for his lifestyle. Obama wants to destroy this country, because he hates it. Illegal immigration has damaged this country beyond repair, look what its done to the whitehouse. When the liberals wake up, if they ever do, they will find out that they will be paying for this thugs policies for the rest of their lives.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yeah, and just think, if they ever do wake up, somehow they will find a way to blame it on Bush. Thats what they do.

      • http://Yahoo Sandy Archer

        At least Bush is loyal to this Country!! Obama has socilist agenda, his healthcare bill will put small businesses either out of business or they will have to cut jobs because they cannot afford to pay for employee healthcare. There are alot of people who opt not to PAY for their own insurance because they would rather party, buy a house or car they cannot afford instead of budgeting for responsible things that are needed for their families. Anyway, back to Obama..he wants nothing better than to bankrupt the USA and he’s doing a really great job so far.

      • http://conservativecameron.blogspot.com/ Cameronisright

        I will answer part of that question for you am lib… Obama is a thug because based upon the area and nature of his formative radical political years as a “community organizer” in Chi Towns S side thats what he was. Community Organizers is oltically correct way to say …= Thugs!
        hE SHOWED THOSE “THUG” stripes early and often because when he hits the wall with one of his hair brained schemes and BIG government programs no one with a brain wants and we can’t pay for what does he do?? He strong arms congressmen and Senators and bullies them …threatens them and ultimately if they don’t flop after all of that he bribes them with our money… Thats what mobsters and thugs do …that is not diplomacy it’s called diplomacy with a gun at your head! ….He is also a pathological liar …I know all politicians lie but he is their king! I could list 200 huge lies right now if you want them …lying is part of how he cons people to do what he wants … hinose is growing like pinnochios]

        http://www.scribd.com/doc/26191447/Obama-s-LIES-158-and-Still-Growing-Like-Pinocchio-s-nose

      • FadacMan

        American liberal;
        You think Obama’s healthcare is a gift wait until the IRS starts collecting your tax refund to pay for it or through you in jail starting 2014 because you don’t have any health insurance then just how much of “not a thug” is your President(used loosely)Obama.

      • kenecarroll

        You know…for someone that hasn’t even read this health care bill, youu seem to be really informed on commrade Obama-Osama…the only thing different in the names is the bs…wake up!

      • THOMAS STEWART

        American Liberal Stop Drinking Obamacare New Kool-Aid With Bad Side Effects Of Lying And Believing It, Yikees. Item Number 2 Who Pays For This Pink Elelephant Obamacare? Yikees Not You Buckwheat.

      • JeffH

        ALERT-ALERT…In one fell swoop, all of you have taken the bait and let AMERICAN LIBERAL change the whole direction of Chip Woods commentary….get a clue that this guy is only here to do just that!

        AMRICAN LIBERAL is a leftist liberal hack that makes his living stirring the conservative pot and adding his liberal spices to change the flavor of the stew.

        Oh well, do as you please.

      • kate8

        Hi JeffH – I was just thinking the same thing. Where’s the comments about the anchor babies?

        Notice how the ACORN posters are always there as soon as this thread hits their inbox? Poised and ready to pounce. And always with the same old garbage.

        Kind of gets wearysome, doesn’t it?

      • tim

        Kate*…there is no easy answer on these Babies………

        But I Do know, they are human beings as much as the right thinks otherwise………….

        I tell you what…….Why don’t we deport ALL illegals NOW………as long as you STOP giving visas to students from India & Saudi Arabia, who, in case you haven’t noticed, are the ones who flew those Planes into our Buildings………….on 9/11……….

        America has ALWAYS been hypocritical, when it comes to dealing with other Countries, and what we allow and don’t allow……………

        We igored THOSE dangers………so why not ignore a few poor people who are desprate and want to come here…………….

        There has been not ONE instance or proof, that Islamic Terrorists ahve come through Mexico………..but they come through Canada, and I NEVER……..NEVER here anyone complain about their loose borders………..

        We’ve always had a double-standard when it comes to foreign Policy………..ALWAYS…………

      • http://www.freedomspitchfork.blogspot.com Freedom’s Voice

        Good point Kate8 about the double standard. If we insist on applying it we get what we deserve.

      • Jana

        these babies have parents, send them home with their parents.

      • http://www.freedomspitchfork.blogspot.com Freedom’s Voice

        Thanks JeffH I was just thinking the same about Am lib and Abraham as well. Liberal plants just stirring the pot to change the whole direction of the debate. Back to the column please and the original debate! It is an excellent article!

      • JeffH

        Kate8, Freedom’s Choice…I’m know you’re both aware as many others should be that these liberal hacks are infecting conservative website throughout the internet. Don’t play with them and they eventually go away…I posted a very good source of information regarding the 14th Amendment further down and a good read…check out the link and you’ll see that Chip Wodds has spoken with the facts and not the “right” bias he is accused of.

        Pound these hacks with the facts, not the emotions, and they’ll scurry away after they make a few vial comments.

      • toni

        Yes sweety HOHUM

      • PragmaticSort

        No, Obama is not a thug- he’s a willing puppet for the progressive social democrats in our congress and senate. The healthcare bill as written is a joke. It is soooooooooo stuffed with all the pork that the democratic legislators could think of. Good theory, lousy execution.

      • Brandon Darby

        President Obama is a thug. Where in the constitution does healthcare get guarenteed to you or anyone else? It’s SOCIAL ENGINEERING, which by definition is the work of a marxist philosophy. Besides, the government isn’t supposed to arbitrarily “give” us anything. Social security never should have been created, and the same should be said of Medicare and Medicaid. My generation (I’m 25 years of age) is going to be paying the debts of my parents and grandparents generation our entire lives. As for the healthcare insurance reform act…it’s doubly thugish in that it is the first piece of law that requires you to pay for something (And no, you don’t have to pay for car insurance, because having a car is a luxury, not a right); and it’s something that the majority of America DIDN’T want. When the people of this country loudly oppose something and it gets passed anyways, that’s Obama and Congress acting like a bunch of thugs.

        And that’s without even touching Cap and Trade, a VAT tax, severe deficit spending leading to a huge national debt; which by default leads to higher taxes and higher inflation. Perhaps “thug” isn’t the correct term, maybe “Socialist” or “Communist” or “Radical” would be more appropriate?

      • JohntheMick

        Darby,
        I’m a big fan of facts. There is a little known constitutional author named Benjamin Rush. He was a doctor who in his addresses to congress said if health care didn’t get penciled in, it would unravel eventually. Who was the dork in this string that said do we rewrite the constitution (14th amendment) to confront border issues ? Did we do that for commi-care ? Oh, BTW, I live in Az where we didn’t get the sweethart $$$ for sovreignty deal. If you are stupid and/or lazy, communism is for you. Smoochie.

      • Don

        “IF” he’s a citizen, then traitor works. IF NOT then all who put him in are traitors.

      • George Halepis

        Nowhere in the Constitution is the initiation of force authorized. Since all government “programs” require coercion [try not paying your taxes], this makes all such programs criminal enterprises and all those individuals who perpetrate these programs criminals or “thugs”. The government can’t give anyone anything that it hasn’t first expropriated. As Federic Bastiat has said, “The state is that fiction by which everyone attempts to live at the expense of everyone else”.

      • John N.

        Why is obama a ‘thug’? “Even before he was sworn in he was interviewed by the FBI about the Ill. Gov. scheme to sell his seat to the highest bidder. This has been mostly hidden from the public. His C of Staff, Emanuel and slumlord Jarrett, both from Chicago, are tangled in this scandal.
        obama has made the claim that the Piivacy Act does not apply to the W. H. He believes the White house can violate the privacy rights of American citizens without any legal consquences or accountability.
        obamas’ ‘transparency” is now a well known ‘joke’!
        He has installed a record number of “czars” to power and they answer to no one but himself. As George Will wrote “The administratiion’s central activity – the political allocation of wealth and oportunity – is not merly suseptiptle to corruption, it is corruption.”
        Govt. run healthcare and car companys, White House coercion, uninvestigated ACORN corruption, debasing his office to help Chicago cronies,attacts on conservative media and the private sector, unprecedented and dangerous new rights for terrorists, perks for campaign donors.”
        We could mention the many ‘thugs’ he has sourrounded himself with.
        C. Rangle who ‘forgot’ to pay taxes on $75,000.00. and ‘forgot’ another $1 mill. in assets. This person (?)writes the tax policy.
        Speaking of Tax Cheats! The famous Tiny Tim admitted he failed to pay $34,000 and now runs the IRS.
        B. Frank is who claimed Fanny and Freddy were doing great and now we know that group was responsible for bringing on the housing bubble.
        These are just a few of the crooks obama has surrounded himself with.
        “if it walks like a duck and looks like a dusk, it probably is…”
        So do I think obama is a ‘thug’????
        What do you think???

      • toni

        C Rangal and TGeitner are tied to obs past as well and why does his SSN not sho up until he started working with Acorn? and that Columbia universty giv him a dagree when he was in pakistan using a foreign passport. Because Us did not authorize Americans to travel to that country at that time . Its just so many ?s Why are his documents sealed don’t understand the purpose of this unless their is something to hide

      • KATHLEEN

        BO continues to do what HE wants instead of the American people. He continues to LIE about everything. The stimulus bill (which he didn’t read) . . . the healthcare bill (which he didn’t read), the deficit to name a few. He continually apologizes for the U.S.A. Why the hell does he want to be OUR president? Maybe he should live at the U.N. He thinks he’s the president of the WORLD. I cannot WAIT to vote the piece of crap outta office. He is a disgrace to the White House and our country.

      • http://aol wayne a

        lets see amer. liberal,since obama has been in,we have the highest unemployment rate in history,the highest forecloser rate in history,highest business failures in history,highest deficit in history which will take 20 yrs. to pay down.a pres. that signed a healthcare bill that 72% of the americans was against.now obama comes out against Arz’s. new law,even going as far as apologizing to the pres. of mexico for it,even though polls show 72-82% of the americans support it.obama is wanting to give amnesty to these illegal criminals that 78% of the americans are against.obama promised openess and transparency,yet they held their vote on the healthcare bill behind closed doors at night,republicians and even the media was not allowed!the reason was because of all the promises,deals and pork spending that was added to get the votes.obama is trying to turn us into a socialist nation, but will destroy us in the process.he makes pres. carter look like an einstein.last week,polls showed 44% support obama,at least theres 56% of the Americans with some sense!

      • Jamie

        Here’s three reasons, He’s anti christ, He’s anti American, And his policies favor Islamic Terrorist

      • Mick for thought

        More rational thought?

      • Delores Smith

        AMERICAN LIBERAL,
        Buy a copy of The Manchurian President and it will answer all your questions about Obama. Remember this, Obama has surrounded himself with extreme radicals who are not working in the best interest of the American people. Obama surrounds himself with mirror images of himself. Read the book. I’ve verified the facts.
        Delores Smith
        Delores109@cox.net

      • Vern

        To American Liberal: What part of Bush’s administration needed changing?
        Things were going pretty good until the Dems took control in 2006. Dear
        old Barney Frank and Dodd, and the Dems got us in this housing mess. Bush
        in 2006 tried to tell congress that things were looking bad with the housing
        market, but Frank, and Dodd said “Oh No” everything was fine. And things
        were not fine, the house of cards were starting to tumble, and boy did they
        tumble.
        Obama’s HC Bill is just a small part of his being a thug, check out the members of his Cabinet, his Czars, his lack of looking out for America’s safety, his love of the Unions, and his dislike of the middle class. These are just a few points of why he is a thug. He will ruin this country if people don’t wake up, and guit believing his BS.

      • Bill

        AmLib
        It’s time that you and all your pseudo-intellectual cronies quit blaming Bush for the ills of this country. It is citizens like you who voted for the “Messiah” that are the biggest cause of our nations current dilemma. Bush was a terrible president. Obama is abyssmal; without a clue as to how to govern and driven solely by “Chicago politics.” He is by far the most dangerous man to ever occupy the White House, as he lacks integrity, will look you straight in the eye and lie, and stick his head in the sand on any issue that he can’t figure a political solution to. That head only comes out of the sand when hes figured a way to circumvent the Constitution or gain favor with his dwindling number of minions and worshippers. He is on his way out and good riddance to the worst president ever.

      • airangel

        Within the past few years, leprosy, tuberculosis, hepatitis, Chagas disease and even malaria have jumped over our borders from Mexico on the backs of an average 10,000 illegal aliens daily, seven days a week and 365 days a year. Our borders are no safer today than before 9/11, and in fact, more dangerous.

        The national media-worthy traumas occurred two years ago at Chi-Chi Restaurants in Monaco, Pennsylvania with hepatitis killing patrons who ate there. Later, we read where police, teachers and students tested positive for tuberculosis all around the country. All of it related to illegal aliens crossing into the US without health screening.

        Last year, another Third World disease rose its ugly head in Oregon. It may have spread to other states across our nation. It won’t get the play of the deadly attacks of hepatitis or tuberculosis, however, for American children exposed to this disease, it’s a personal nightmare for parents.

        Worse, it may take years to manifest itself in the child. By that time, it may be too late. The infection is ‘neurocysticercosis’, which is caused by the parasite Taenia solium. It’s a tapeworm identified as the cause of this disease in the Southwestern United States.

        It is especially rampant in the growing ‘colonias’ (new neighborhoods) stretching from Brownsville, Texas along the Mexican border all the way to San Diego, California. The poorest illegal alien migrants set up shantytowns on the U.S. side of the border. They feature no sanitation of any kind. No toilets. No showers. No clean water. Disease proliferates unchecked.

        WE HAVE TO SECURE THE BORDER and CLEAN UP THE MESS. No wonder the hospitals are over taxed and shutting down…they simply can’t keep up and our kids are exposed..Calderon needs to take care of his own citizens and educate them on clean living and basic hygiene. We have a HUGE problem. Secure our borders and push back on Calderon.

      • Jana

        airangel,
        This is some very good information to know. Thanks for sharing this. We must realize that the people from the third world countries don’t have the clean water that we do, and don’t have the hygiene practices that we do.This is one of the reasons that they eat the really hot peppers and the really spicy foods, because it kills parasites and helps control a lot of the diseases. Plus, over here we are not used to all of the germs that they get into all of the time. They don’t know to wash their hands after going to the bathroom, they don’t wash their hands when they cough or sneeze or wipe away their runny noses with their hands. They haven’t been taught.
        Then, we invite these same people to come over and cook for us, and clean for us? WOW. No wonder there is an outbreak of new to us diseases. They aren’t doing this on purpose, they just don’t realize or know how to stop it. They don’t even realize they are carrying these things with them.
        There was more than one reason the government started pushing the hand sanitizers.

      • kate8

        This is a serious problem. Here in the US, we pretty much eliminated most of the infectious diseases because of sanitation and hygiene, but that is changing with the influx of third-worlders. It puts us all at risk, especially our children in schools.

        A close friend was shocked to discover that he had contracted TB. With all the illegals working in restaurants and such, these things are spreading. We had an outbreak of TB in a town near where I live, where many illegals have settled.

        This is just one more way our way of life is threatened by this problem. WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE SUICIDAL AS A NATION. We need a government that will address this issue and put Americans first.

      • http://aol.com John Pickett

        I’ll do you a lot better. Go back to Lincoln to Obama and don’t call yourself American with your progressive rhetoric bullshit. If your a liberal say so don’t bring my country into your cause. I bet you don’t even know what Lincoln did or how about FDR,Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, Theirs your assignment now LIBERAL go to it then you can comment. Truth is all that’s needed can you do it???? Reagan tried but, even he didn’t do all he said he would do!! Myself I don’t think you will try, Liberals just shoot off at the mouth like diahrea.

    • D Lynch

      Good article on the 14th amendment and I remember discussing this with my American History teacher and we in the class agreed as the article was written. Oh yes; I guess Obama would allow the Terrorist babies to be natural born citizens… that’s like inviting a natural borne virus into your body! JUST WAITIN’FOR THE SHOT HEARD ‘ROUND THE WORLD!!

      • Jana

        D Lynch,

        Just like Chip wrote in his article,
        “Let me share some important history with you. The 14th Amendment was proposed by Congress at the end of the Civil War. Its purpose was to make sure that newly enfranchised blacks were not denied the rights of citizenship when they returned to their homes in states that comprised the former Confederacy.”

        This law was written to insure that any of the blacks would not be denied citizenship.

        Again another very important point “Sadly, the 14th Amendment is worded so vaguely that an activist court—spurred on by politically motivated attorneys—can interpret it almost any way it chooses.”

        It is time to amend this now as this is being abused greatly. They found a loophole and this loophole needs to be closed.

      • American Citizen

        I agree, if the parents are not citizens of this country, neither are their babies. That loophole needs to be closed.

      • Mickey

        Well, I was under the impression that the 14th was for slaves. That would be a point in time when all in the country were citizens. We had no illegals.

        I also thought the 14th gave citizenship to the “mother” of the unborn child, not automatic US citizenship.

        One thing I haven’t seen addressed, since these migrants insist they want better pay, what is going to stop the next wave of crossings from taking away their jobs with cheaper labor again? Will they then insist on “migration reform”?

    • tim

      Mike……that’s……Hopey!!…changey!!!!

    • JohntheMick

      You want thugocracy ? The guy running GM (Whiteacker) did a crooked ATT deal that pu $16M in Rahm’s pocket.Then got the Gov Motors job. Does the study of ballet make Rahm qualified for COS ? Private army (prelim to marshall law or marshall plan?) walking the streets of Chi-town. September 8th when Hitler’s youth took on a different face. Extension of the unpatriot act. Cert of live bith and birth cert are two different documents. Social security number for a 31 year old man from Connecticut on record (starts with 046) kissing the worlds ass while treating vets and cops on our soil like dirt. Socialism, which tells you, my blind friend, that you are too stupid to make your own decisions. Maybe you’re ok with that one. The current jobs and economic legislation on the floor. Oh, I’m sorry, there are no economic plans. You can’t get your socialism until capitalism dies. Maybe the economy is per Michelle’s design for that childhood obesity problem. Starve ‘em thin. I could write a book on this. Look to Greece to see how well this works as well as the history in Argentina. Big al Gore fan are ya ? Tee hee.

      • toni

        LOL I couldn’t have said it better

    • Mick for thought

      Mike we are trying to have a conversation with some meat on it not just toss out names without any evidence as foundation. What makes you think imigration was being taken care of by the last administration?

      • toni

        Wasn’t the demacratic congress the one who voted down imagration reform when Bush was in TEeHEe

    • http://n/a PHIL

      Your anger and ignorance is not good for you.You sound like a guy who can improve if supplied with genuine information.Obama is not a thug but a President OK.Please get it right!

    • KELLI2L

      Yes, this Anchor Baby legislation is an equal opportunity abomination, it does not discriminate – any race is eligible
      to “exploit America” (they only need to birth their baby here)
      simply put, that allows for the whole family to follow…..

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