I agree with Barb. I applaud the Governor of Arizona who took a stand against illegals. I Pray the rest of the Nation follow in her footsteps. I am not opposed to those coming from other countries who want to live in the United States. But when you come here,then you go through the steps to become United States Citizens. If you do not want to become a United States Citizen then leave. Migrants have been coming to the United States ever since we became the United States a FREE COUNTRY!!! Everyone of us who live here have had ancestors who came to the United States from other parts of the world. But for the majority of us our Great Grandparents, Grandparents, Mothers and Fathers did it right. They became United States Citizens so that their children and generations after them could live in the most Fantastic country in the world. THE LAND OF THE FREE!!!! Our forefathers who came before us built this country so that we could have what we have today! For those of you who do not remember or are recently new to this country then I suggest you go back and research the history of the Great country we live in and it is called “THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” “THE LAND OF THE FREE” THE GREATEST NATION ON THIS PLANET!!!

Thank You and GOD BLESS US ALL

Firstly, the Spanish speaking people were in what is now the state of Arizona long before the sons of European emmigrants. Secondly, Mexicans are as much Americans as are those of us who live here in the United States. Remember that America is the continent in which we find the US along with Canada, Mexico and all the other countries south of our country. What do we expect of a country whhich holds a sporting event claiming to be the World Series in which no other country on the planet is allowed to compete. So much for our knowledge of geography.

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do you understand the word aparthied ? jim crow law? give me a break!

how do you correlate that with illegal immigration, unless you are referring to the blacks that invaded so. africa like the mexicans are doing us. do you compare our immigration laws with some kind of dictatorial edict. and furthermore these illegals go on welfare they don’t leave, comprende.

I am all for Legal Immigration. It is the backbone of our country. Illegal immigration is another matter. Most Legal immigrants come here , learn English if they do not already speak English. They do not need to press #2 . To come into a nation Illegally is a crime. That makes then criminals. We do not need more criminals in this country. It is the duty of every law enforcement officer in every agency in every city county and state to arrest and detain for deportation all illegal immigrants. Also people that give jobs and aid to illegal immigrants should have there property taken from them and serve long jail time for treason!

IMMIGRATION ??? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
NATIONAL SECURITY OF USA? CLOSER!!!
WHO ELSE IS WALKING ACROSS THIS BORDER WITH THE MEXICANS?
WHY WOULDN’T TERRORISTS COME IN THIS WAY?
THE QUESTION IS NOT IF BUT HOW MANY ARE IN ALREADY AND HOW MANY WALKED IN TODAY?
WHAT IS HARD TO FIGURE OUT AMERICA?
HAS REALITY LEFT ?

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The law should deter persons hiring illegal immigrants; if they can’t earn a wage then they will leave. The law that Arizona has approved is too reminiscent of South African apartheid and Jim Crow segregation pass laws.

only the demo’nistas will support amnesty and the only reason is the vote they will receive. the following is an article written by robert gribble years ago when most people were not paying much attention. i think he gives the mexican government to much credit to think they could occupy the u.s. and overthrow the government, but, they can change the vote which they are doing and control a lot of the country especially in the southwest and texas.

President Ronald Reagan nailed it hard and clean nearly two decades ago: “The simple truth is that we’ve lost control of our own borders, and no nation can do that and survive. We ignore America’s lost sovereignty at our peril.” (10)

The United States of America is a nation governed by laws, and no one is supposed to be above the law. Apparently this does not include the governing bodies in many cities, counties, and states — who have taken an oath to uphold the laws and Constitution of the US – who are showing favoritism toward criminals at large by giving aid and comfort, at taxpayers expense, to the Mexican aliens who have crossed the American-Mexican border illegally. “No country can be great if its citizens are taught to look the other way while others wipe their feet on its laws and mock its national sovereignty.”
president barry soetoro is supporting this invasion and for one reason only, he will receive the majority vote from the illegasls and this may be enough to give the demo’nistas the power to change the term limits on the presidency and make their god “barry” our emperor.

you can find this article on google, i believe it is worth your while to read: “mexicos attempt to annex the southwest u.s”

all that it takes for bad people to win is for good people to do nothing in this great country of 300 million we have a lot of good people, that think with there heart not there head and when you do then it causes big problums, point it is a good thing to give as long as it is a helping hand, but when your helping hand becomes a handout then you are no longer doing good or helping what was a gift, you are now taking reguardless of the reason now some taking is for the good of the country as a whole[police fire roads]we are a coutry of laws and i add some are stuped but on the whole laws are the glue that holds us togetter, and when we allow the law enforcers local or state or federal to pick what laws to enforce we have major trouble, to finish as long as we the people allow anyone to tell us i won so set down and shut up[like obama did] email nepolitano tell her to do her job or resign on [she said being undocument is not illegal]illegals
,giving amnesty is like allowing a bank robber to keep the money he stole and not go to jail, as long as he don,t do it agin ,comprehensive immigration just a long word for amnesty no more no less it did not work in 1986 about 3 million amnested now 24 years later 20 million illegals not asking but DEMANDING is their any dought were i would go if i were in any pollcats, sorry politicion house and demanded anything i would be shot most likly so call your senators and say no more new laws enforce the immigration law now or we will replace you in nov, [GOOD LAW ARIZONA] if the illegals want to cause more trouble send the guard we will not allow crooks to burn and distroy property ,to illegals you want to be here get legal and if that is going home and doing it right so be it

1. Change the law that allows two illegals to produce a legal baby if it’s born in the USA (that will stop a lot right there)..deport the whole family back including baby.
2. Clean up the border with military might and spend the 4 billion for the wall already drawn up and ready to implement…SECURE THE BORDER from future illegals and drug cartel lackeys (that will stop a lot right there too and cut off the drug supply wreaking havoc on this country)..this will be a fight but a necessary one!!
3. As for current illegals (law breakers) I don’t have an answer other than to pay back the country they have stolen from with all the Government free programs such as housing, education, medical, food, etc…offer deportation of whole family or back fines as their penalty for breaking the law by taking from the American tax paying citizens…every crime has consequences…this is not a free ride. If they don’t pay the fines, deport them…at least they would be given a choice which is more than they deserve by not respecting us or their own countrymen who have immigrated legally and those in line to do so.

The money in millions if illegal fines and the savings in future moochers will pay for the wall. The drug confiscations will pay for the border war.

Michelle, You are wrong about the identie theft issue. All the Illegal immigrant has do is apply for a “IT” number from the fed, IT stands for Illegal tax Id # they then can file taxes for 2 years, & as long as they have opened a checking account at a bank & made deposits for 2 years, They then can even buy a home with a Goverment backed loan. I know, I have had several of the homes I had listed for sale bought by them!!! At closing, I would be there with the seller, The Illegal would be there with their Agent & a Interperator to explain to them what they were signing, they could not read, or write, or speak English, but they could buy a home!!! It blew me away that a illegal immigrant could buy a home here in the USA. I personally thought that it was a bunch of cr*p!!! Locally here, 5th 3rd bank was doing these loans, Backed by Fannie Mae

I am passing along a statement from Charlie Daniels. This is what he says: I don’t know how everybody else feels about it, but to me I think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally, made a huge public relations mistake with their recent demonstrations.

I don’t blame anybody in the world for wanting to come to the United States of America , as it is a truly wonderful place.
But when the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is illegal it is flat out wrong and I don’t care how many lala land left heads come out of the woodwork and start trying to give me sensitivity lessons.

I don’t need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don’t have anything against Mexicans! I just have something against criminals and anybody who comes into this country illegally is a

criminal and if you don’t believe it try coming into America from a foreign country without a passport and see how far you get. What disturbs me about the demonstrations is that it’s tanta-mount to saying, “I am going to come into your country even if it means breaking your laws and there’s nothing you can do about it.”

It’s an “in your face” action and speaking just for me, I don’t like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs of gonads in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn’t

be happening.

Where are you, you bunch of lily livered, pantywaist, forked tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution? Have you been drinking the water out of the Potomac again? And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will probably be so pork laden and watered down that it won’t mean anything anyway Besides, what good is another law going to do when you won’t enforce the ones on the books now?

And what ever happened to the polls, guys? I thought you folks were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain’t paying any attention to the polls this time because

somewhere around eighty percent of Americans want some thing done about this mess, and mess it is and getting bigger everyday.

This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed for being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in France with the Muslims can’t happen here when the

businesses who hire these people finally run out of jobs and a few million disillusioned Hispanics take to the streets?

If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle under on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that you care nothing for the kind of country your children and and grand-children will inherit. But I guess that doesn’t matter as long as you get re-elected. Shame on you. One of the big problems in America today is that if you have the nerve to say anything derogatory about any group of people (except Christians) you are going to be screamed at by the media and called a racist, a bigot and anything else they can think of to

call you

Well I’ve been pounded by the media before and I’m still rockin’ and rollin’ and when it comes to speaking the truth I fear not.
And the truth is that the gutless, gonadless, milksop politicians are just about to sell out the United States of America because they don’t have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to face reality.

And reality is that we would never allow any other group of people to have 12 million illegal in this country and turn around and say, “Oh it’s ok, ya’ll can stay here if you’ll just allow us to slap your wrist.”

And I know that some of you who read this column are saying “Well what’s wrong with that?” I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it. These people could be from Mars as far as we know. We don’t know who they are, where they are or what they’re up to and the way the Congress is going we’re not going to.

Does this make sense? Labor force you say? We already subsidize corporate agriculture as it is, must we subsidize their labor as well? If these people were from Haiti would we be so fast to turn a blind eye to them or if they were from Somalia or Afghanistan? I think not.

All the media shows us are pictures of hard working Hispanics who have crossed the border just to try to better their life.
They don’t show you pictures of the Feds rounding up members of MS 13, the violent gang who came across the same way the decent folks did. They don’t tell you about the living conditions of the Mexican illegal some fat cat hired to pick his crop.

I want to make two predictions.

No. 1: This situation is going to grow and fester until it erupts in violence on our streets while the wimps in Washington drag their toes in the dirt and try to figure how many tons of political hay they can make to the acre.

No 2: Somebody is going to cross that border with some kind of weapon of mass destruction and set it off in a major American city after which there will be a backlash such as this country has never experienced and the Capitol building in Washington will probably tilt as Congressmen and Senators rush to the other side of the issue.

I don’t know about you but I would love to see just one major politician stand up and say, “I don’t care who I make mad and I don’t care how many votes I lose, this is a desperate situation and I’m going to lead the fight to get it straightened out.” I don’t blame anybody for wanting to come to America , but if you don’t respect our immigration laws why should you respect any others? And by the way, this is America and our flag has stars and stripes Please get that other one out of my face.

The concept of what constitutes a “right” has been muddled, perhaps purposely. Constitutionally, a “right” was defined by natural law (English common law) … that which takes nothing from anyone else and requires nothing of anyone else for its exercise. People have “rights”; Governments (the United States and the States) have “powers” but not “rights” (see 10A). Citizens, businesses, etc. may also have “privileges”. The exercise of a privilege requires an interaction with another entity or entities.
The United States was only “delegated” the “power” to control immigration “under” the Constitution and this delegation was done so by the people. The United States has failed to properly carry out this duty properly and has, therefore, abrogated the power delegated to it. It is, therefore, the prerogative of the States or the people to enforce these laws by reclaiming those delegated powers to enforce immigration from the United States. The United States should be informed that this will be done until such time as it (the US) is prepared to, and can be trusted to, properly carry out it’s delegated responsibilities as defined by our Constitution.
An ILLEGAL alien HAS “natural” rights as does everyone but NOT a citizens, or LEGALS, “privileges”(which are sometimes incorrectly, and confusingly, called “rights”).
The problem of ILLEGALS is so for many reasons. End WELFARE as we know it and remove the ILLEGALS from the workforce and those jobs that nobody will do will get done but at a nominally higher, more proper wage.
To starve is a persons “right” but to eat is a “privilege” unless he is eating that which he, himself, has produced; in which case it is then his “right” to eat his own production if he so desires.
Institute a FLAT, end-product, consumption tax (preferably the FAIR TAX) as the only allowable tax and we will see a resurgence of good, quality, manufacturing jobs in this country.
Put an end to Big Brother government and return to the “rule of law” (our Constitution) and we will see a return to liberty and prosperity.

The fed’s are guilty of malfeasance when it comes to border security and a solution to the illegal problem. States such as Arizona have had to pay the costs associated with interlopers while the fed’s just shrug their shoulders. We are a government of the people so if the fed’s will not do anything we’ll have to do it ourselves. The essence of what has become an invasion given the numbers, is Mexican belief they’re taking back their historic lands wrested from them by a growing 19th century power to the north. Problem is Mexico has been too corrupt to give them hope so they come here. If Mexicans take over the southwest, it’ll become as screwed up as Mexico. Amnisty is surrender.

The IRS says that only 47% of American workers actually pay income taxes and that 53% do not! Know why? Excess children allow tax credits that zero out tax liabilities! How’s that grab ya!? Legal immigration should have deportation laws that say that if you need public assistance, then you need to go home and get it Ooops, sorry, that law already exists, but like all immigration law, is not being enforced by the feds! For a family of 3 illegals who do not pay taxes, due to low income, they are “entitled” to Section 8 vouchers up to $900 per month and Food Stamps up to $1,800 per month. And, who is paying for all of this? Those 47% of Amerian taxpayers who live fiscally responsible life-styles! That comes out to about $2,700 per month in freebies to illegal immigrants, paid for by “US!” Most Americans, today, don’t even earn $2,700 per month, due to the economy, yet our government even taxes “unemployment income” as well as regular wages of “legal” American citizens to help pay for these freebies. All gifts by our elected officials. Nice, huh?

For those who don’t get it, Arizona’s new law is for those who live IN Arizona. It doesn’t affect anyone in any other state. Get it?
If it happens that this idea spreads to other states, I can live with that. I’m all for positive, much-needed ideas that catch on and spread to others states, especially if those ideas prove that Uncle Scam is a thug scumbag and needs to have his ‘face’ re-arranged.
Uncle Scam refuses to live within a budget, chases power like an old-fashioned ambulance chaser, whores after power like an in-house Stalin, protects criminals, avoids responsibility, caters to anyone who values illegal votes and thinks highly of those who would destroy America.
Uncle Scam REFUSES to his job. That makes him a world-class LOSER. Either Uncle Scam changes his ways, or Uncle Scam can take his chances with citizens who have been under his miserable thumb for generations.
The people in Greece may have more in common with Americans than our ‘leaders’ think. Arizona, tell Uncle Scam and his flunkies what they can do with their anti-freedom schemes. Do what Uncle Scam REFUSES to do, and please let the chips fall where they may.

If they are, watch for mass internment again, even worse than FDR’s in the 30′s! Note: When’s the last time you heard of where a “Marxist takeover” actually left from anywhere that it had taken over? Watch!

All this is very nice chasing down folks who ‘look’ illegal and shipping them back across the border (they won’t be incarcerated long as the States have no $)…didn’t they do this before? Of course there really is no need for new laws, we just need to enforce the 1986 immigration act where an employer can be fined quite heavily for each illegal employee. I mean think about it, that’s why they come here and can remain here, because business owners give them your jobs and pay them less…right? But of course we wouldn’t want to piss off the business owners. it might get somwbody in trouble politically now wouldn’t it.

“papers please?” And they might nt even ask usig ‘please’. Undocumented workers are not just Hisanics. There are close to 1,000,000 Euro’s and Canadiens here as well. EVERYONE will have to carry ID with them at all times if in Arizona. Talk about a Police State? (Remember, a Driver’s License under Ariz. law is not ID which will satsfy the question.)

The answer to undocumented workers is simple..one which i have advocated for years. Don’t punish some poor slob doing what we always advocate as the American Way…getting a job. Instead, go after those AMERICANS who break the law ! If an employer knew or should have known their employee was undocumented…30 days in the county hoosegow. No probation. Serve the time. Social stigma alone will cause many to not break the law.

No jobs, no reason to be here looking for work.

Now everyone should be asking themselves….why isn’t this somethng advocated in Congress or the Media?

I’m glad we have this law in Ariz., it’s about time. there has been some amendments added to this law after it was signed. but, I think they’re (the Feds.) are gonna over turn it anyways. I heard a protester say on t.v. yesterday that Phoenix was gonna burn like L.A., these are nice people.

Yes, it is time for a reform. But in reality the immigration laws of this wonderful Nation are quite clear. Besides, as an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, one does not have rights. If you do not believe me, try to cross the border into our neighbor Country Mexico. You would be surprised of the requirements. Therefore: Why has it become such an issue? It is plain and simple, evry Nation has a US Embassy where you can request entry LEGALY into the US. It took us 13 years to obtain it, but we were granted entry and never had any problems.
CONGRATULATIONS ARIZONA, continue in doing the right thing. ONe more comment: Can you explain to me how profiling, in a certain way, could be avoided?

Kudos to Arizona and I hope more states do the same and soon! Something needs to be done about this before it gets completely out of control, and it basically already is! Amnesty is not the answer either and Obama and crew had better not even try to go there!

A contributing problem is federal laws that inhibit the necessary steps to achieve success. They may not be kind, but the alternative is WORSE! The harder you make the job for enforcement, the less enforcement that gets results. Laws that restrict “profiling” due to discrimination make it nearly impossible. EVERY law discriminates in some way. Human nature is to do a task as quickly and efficiently as possible. Making it inefficient with extra laws means 1) it will cost more, 2) it won’t get done, or 3) both! Something has to be done because doing nothing is bleeding our resources. The benefit of letting illegals in DOES NOT outweigh the detriment.

When it comes to State’s Rights, I’m all for the right to “CHOOSE.”
Excellent “CHOICE” Arizona, one laboratory of ideas among many. Ideas have consequences, so let us all support their bold expirementation now.

Real Immigration Reform has to happen. We are over run with people who do not contribute and we simply can not afford it. While I feel some sympathy for those who want a better life I also feel that they should do more to reform the country from which they originate. Or at least be willing to take on the responsibilities of helping to carry the load in their new home. But a “policy” of freebies does not encourage the more lazy among us to pull up their socks now does it?
Go Arizona!

Since the Immigration Law of Arizona was passed there has been much discussion about immigration. Many different arguments have been presented pro and con. However, the following does not seem to appear in the discussions

Let us start off with the fact that Hispanics are currently last on the academic ladder in this country. Many reasons have been given for this failure. But not the following.

The USA is a pluralistic country. There are people from all religions. Until recently the largest group were the Baptists who had approximately 18%. Since the Hispanic wave the Catholics have risen to over 26% and there seems no end in sight to this increase. This leads me to an observation and a prediction.

This first is that in countries where there is pluralism there is a tendency to study by comparative analysis and critical thinking. In countries where 95% or more of the population is of one religion, there seems to be an academic environment of teaching by memorization. I have studied in a comparative analysis type of academic environment, and have always tried to teach in the same manner. I have also developed a teaching technic of answering a question with a question leading to the answer. The Hispanic environment in Miami-Dade will not tolerate either one. I have been criticized many times for teaching more than one way of solving a math problem. That confuses the student. I maintain that if a student gets confused when presented more than one method, the student did not understand the problem. He/she has simply memorized an algorithm. In Miami-Dade I am not allowed to teach more than one method and I am not allowed to answer a question with a question leading to an answer. That is the Hispanic influence.

The second point is a prediction. When the percent of Hispanics increases to the point where more than 40% of the nation is Catholic, pluralistic democracy, as we know it, will disappear. I suspect that this is what the American citizenry is subconsciously worried about.

One of the main complaints that I hear in recent days is that Muslims come to this country and then demand that they are allowed to imposed their Shia to the rest of the country. The Hispanics have been doing no different. They are escaping the poverty and misery and bringing the cause of their poverty with them to this country, that is, a monolithic environment with no pluralism allowed, mainly Catholicism. In the Miami museum a poem Desiderata was presented. In the poem there is a passage A God, whatever you conceive him to be. This passage was eliminated in the Spanish version. There was only one concept of God allowed. We had my mother’s funeral at a Catholic funeral parlor. We were not allowed to have Humanist cards. Catholic only. That is no different from the Muslim attitudes.

Thank you for allowing me to express myself.

Sincerely,

Miguel Melgar