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Phoenix Mayor: Immigration Bill Is 'Unconstitutional' And 'Unenforceable'

April 29, 2010 by  

Phoenix mayor: Immigration bill is 'unconstitutional' and 'unenforceable'Just a few days after Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed into law a historically aggressive immigration bill, Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon indicated that the city may soon file a lawsuit challenging the legislation on constitutional grounds.

Gordon told Fox News the bill is not only unconstitutional, but also makes the state less safe, as police would be forced to spend an exorbitant amount of time focusing on this "unenforceable" law.

"It tramples civil rights," Gordon told the news source. "Now everyone has to show and prove that they’re a legal resident or citizen." He also warned that the new law may create "a division within the state that could lead to violence."

The Phoenix mayor also attacked the author of the bill, state Senator Russell Pearce, by comparing him to late Alabama Governor George Wallace, a well-known segregationist leader in the 1960s, KTAR.com reports. He said that Pearce is more concerned with making headlines than battling the real problems that face Arizona, such as violent crime and the drug trade.

Gordon indicated that he will ask the Phoenix City Council later this week to join him in his fight against the law.
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  • American Liberal

    Of course this racist law won’t stand… Arizonas Sheriffs associantion came out aginst it….Sheriff Clerence Dupnik said he won’t enforce… The American Nazis did come out in support of the law…..law enforce says they have their hands full already and the law isn’t funded…

    • George E

      Liberal,

      What is racist about 1) enforcing federal laws, and 2) standarding all state law enforcement agencies on how they should enforce these laws?

      • meteorlady

        Lib will never answer back with a valid argument to your rebuttal. The only thing Lib can do is call names and blame Bush. Lib is a non-event on this board.

    • George E

      Liberal,

      Some of us are getting tired of being called “racists” and associated with groups like the American Nazi Party. Those are pretty serious charges, and shouldn’t be used wrecklessly. This does NOTHING to advance a serious intellectual discussion on this topic, but does seriously inflame the situation. PLEASE STOP IT!

      • JeffH

        George E, you should be aware by now that AL isn’t here to discuss or have anything more than a negative impact on this conservative website.

      • George E

        I understand, but I want to retort his/her irrational claims with rational thought. That way if anyone casually reads through this board, they’ll get both sides of the issue. Hopefully, conservative thought will win out with most of the undecided. Thanks.

      • kate8

        As I’ve said before, the libs believe that the murder and mayhem Americans suffer every day at the hands of illegals is an acceptable trade-off for “human rights”.

        It will only be when someone in his own family is injured, a child abducted or someone murdered from his house, that he will understand why we’ve had enough. There is nothing racist about wanting to protect your home, family, neighborhood, country from the constant violations being committed on an increasing basis, or upholding the laws in place to do so.

        Libs live in an idiology that works only in their own minds. They are completely out of touch with the real world.

      • JeffH

        kate8, think they whine and cry “foul” with us, wait until they discover that the powers that they support will step on them like the cockroaches they are if their ultimate goal is ever reached. They’ll be swept under the rug, like dirt, when they are no longer usefull.

      • George E

        Jeff,

        I’m convinced that you are right about that.

    • kate8

      This is OUR country and we have the right to decide who is here and who isn’t. You libs are so determined to spit in the face of the American people, to thwart our efforts for sanity and preservation of our way of life.

      Unlike you, most of us don’t get a kick out of watching as our nation gets sold out by special interests.

      • George E

        Kate,

        All they want is the additional votes these immigrants can give them, so they can get our money to take complete control of this country. That’s all…..

      • kate8

        George E., I believe that is a big part of the reason. But I also believe the PTB are doing all they can to stir up civil war in America. They are fanning flames and stirring up hornet’s nests everywhere they can.

        You know the motto of the NWO: order out of chaos. They are deliberately creating chaos everywhere, because when everything collapses, the people will beg them to come in and establish order.

      • George E

        I’m familiar with the tactic. Thanks.

    • Ted Crawford

      Before labeling anyone a nazi, you might want to notice the name of hitlers party “national SOCIALISTS party”. I know, hitler was a fascist,generally considered a right wing group. Contemporary correspondance of hitlers staff,however, shows that they opposed communists as competitors rather than political opposites. He was further left than even they were!

  • skywolf23

    i know a few people that live in az might move there one day, but unless you live there and have to deal with illegals running thruough your yards and streets, deal with the violence and the very real dangers that being the kidnap capitol of the world or darn close brings with it.

    many lwas require you to carry your drivers license, or wear a seatbelt, i loathe wearing a seatbelt i feel it should be my decision on if i want to wear it or not, are those vilations of my individual rights? i think they are but they have been held up in court.

    so now mexican residents are obligated to show their papers if asked for them boohoo, like that is any different than having to have your driver license or photo id available if asked for it.

    the dems just want the illegal votes from illegals, no check at the voting office, free health care, cheap labor for those that have to keep it under the radar being here, and i suppose given enough time the dems would be happy to give than all free welfare to send back to mexico.

    if you here legally, god bless you, you might be asked to show your id and documents a bit more, but really how is this a bad thing unless you are here illegally and avoiding the laws.

    • American Liberal

      Skywolf… Why didn’t the republicans address immigration during the 8 years they held the Whitehouse?… If you didn’t nothing… How can you complain now?..

      • George E

        Liberal,

        GW did propose a “comprehensive” immigration bill, but it did not get enough support to pass. Dems wanted amnesty for illegals while the grass roots American public wanted border security first. Congress did finally pass a bill to build a fence on the border, but as you know that has stalled out now that the Dems have majorities in both houses of Congress and the administration.

      • denniso

        And what did the Repubs in congress want? Nothing that would work. The wall/fence is already a multi billion $ joke. I has stopped animal migration routes very well,but it’s already been climbed and dug under and cut through…The East Germans learned that walls between countries don’t work…little kids read books about countries building walls that don’t work. We need a longterm solution that doesn’t strip our rights as citizens, and the Repubs won’t help in that…their answer is arrest anyone you don’t like the looks of and stick them in prison.

      • George E

        Denniso,

        I have to admit that the Republicans don’t have a very good record on managing illegal immigration either. We agree on that. So, in my opinion, we really do need another grass roots effort by the American people to help find good solutions to this problem and force our politicans to legislate accordingly. I haven’t seen very much of value coming out of Washington on this topic, from either party. Have you?

      • JeffH

        George E, now you have said a dirty word, “grassroot”! The liberals believe that grassroot movements are nothing but violent, gun toting, racist, ignorant redneck Republican Tea bagger movements. Those are also the toughts of the individual your comment was directed at.
        Be careful, for you will be showered with vial namecalling for mentinong that word.

      • denniso

        We need leaders from both parties to come together to solve a tough problem…but, the ‘illegal’ issue is being blown out of proportion compared to other problems. Most ‘illegals’ work hard, don’t commit crimes and have been coming across the border to work for decades. They are enhance our economy w/ their spending and working. People are being whipped into a frenzy by some who are looking for political gain and others who are indeed racists.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        hey dennislo,
        Off topic, but I wanted to make sure you didn’t miss the post to jeff that mentions you. Beijeng China had a guy that crashed a school gate with a motorcycle then attacked 5 school children with a hammer. He then doused himself with gasoline, grabbed two more kids and tried to set himself on fire. the children were snatched from him just in time as he flamed up and burned to death. the wounds the five children suffered were not life threatening, but very well could have been.
        Just think if he had barred the door from the outside and doused the building as well as himself? All the kids could have died! Guess it doesn’t take a handgun does it???

      • denniso

        You make my point for me and you don’t even know it…amazing. No kids died, right? If he had an automatic or semi automatic weapon they would all be dead. Are you really that blind that you can’t see the evidence right before you’re eyes?
        There was another wacko in China today maybe who invaded a school and stabbed 10 or 20 little kids…horrible, but again none died. One crazy w/ a semi automatic can kill dizzens in minutes…that’s the difference. Look at the facts…

      • http://?? Joe H.

        dennislow,
        hate to tell you, some of the kids shot at Columbine survived!!!! how terrible of them to prove you wrong!!!

  • American Citizen

    What is wrong with proving who you are? Have you tried getting a driver’s license lately? As to civil rights, illegals don’t have any, only legal citizens of this country do. The bleeding hearts had better pull their heads out of the sand or the dark cavity in their rear ends or this country is doomed. Between the Muslims who want to take over the world and the Mexicans who claim this country belongs to them, we have a real fight on our hands. Wake up America!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      American Citizen,
      That is what they are mad about. They think you should be able to get a license without proving who you are!! I mean, if they don’t trust you well gee!!!

  • Miichael

    I am absolutely STUNNED at all the people who believe that the immigration law is Un-Constitutional…

    WHAT? How is it Un-Constitutional?

    All the ranting by those who oppose it give NO evidence of it being Un-Constitutional…

    Remember, the Constitution is there to guarantee the INALIENABLE RIGHTS of the Citizens, NOT those who are here illegally!

    If the Fed’s had enough guts to actually put up the wall at the border and police who comes in, rather than trying to invade our (the Citizens) CONSTITUTIONAL, US SUPREME COURT DECISION PRECEDENT, RIGHT TO FREE TRAVEL then we would not even be talking about this!

    Bottom line is, if the border was secured, we would not have the problem. The ILLEGALS are just that, ILLEGALLY HERE! ANYONE who argues that probably believes that it is ok to steal too, Oh ya, they are the ones who support welfare for the illegals too.. I forgot!

    Get a Clue America… We need to secure and protect our borders first and the rest will allow for OUR FREEDOM to ring loud and clear!

    • denniso

      you’re stunned?? I guess so, if you can’t understand the issue. Mandating that cops check the papers of people they suspect of being here illegally means that they will wind up asking for papers from legal citizens as well and especially those who may ‘look’ like illegals but are actually citizens, because, obviously the cops won’t know who is actually illegal…it will have to depend upon racial profiling and will be an invasion of privacy for anyone the cops ‘suspect’. The constitution has a provision in it called the ‘privacy clause’. It’s a right to unreasonable search and seizure. How is it reasonable to base a search of a person based upon skin color or other behaviour? It;s not.

      You people are letting the fearmongering frenzy push you into stripping all of us of our rights…now, for instance, we can’t even leave the country w/o a passport because you’re terrified of a threat that pales in comparison to getting into your car every day. Now you’re willing to be stopped at the whim of a policeman on the street and if you don’t have your papers maybe go to jail until you can produce them. Of course, most white people aren’t overly worried because they think that it will only be darker skinned people subject to the law…maybe, though you give police this kind of wide and subjective power ans who knows….

      • JeffH

        What part of “the Arizona Immigration Law” supports the Federal Immigration Laws won’t you understand? A cop cannot arbitrarily check anybodies ID’s or paperwork, legal or illegal. That’s the law!
        A person must commit a crime or a violation before they can be checked. The left and the feds are commiting the “fearmomgering”, not the law. Roll over and cry and whine to somebody that will buy into your crap, or don’t go into Arizona.

        There is nothing to fear but fear itself!

      • denniso

        You’re lying again or you just haven’t read the provisions of the law.

      • JeffH

        Paranoia mind destroia

        You’re so damn smart, why don’t you spell it out in plain english for all of us. I don’t want the concoted version with your leftist Che Guevara radical fearmongering. I just want the facts, nothing but the facts without any of your childish name calling or delusional interpretations.

        Washington – As the Obama administration considers a potential legal challenge to Arizona’s tough new immigration law, a professor who helped draft the bill is defending the state measure as supportive of existing federal statutes.

        Professor Kobach said the Arizona law is supportive of federal immigration laws rather than seeking to supplant them

        “I think the critics who are claiming the bill will not withstand legal challenge need to read the bill,” said Kris Kobach, a law professor at the University of Missouri-Kansas City.

        “The bill will withstand any preemptive challenge,” he said, because it reinforces existing federal immigration laws and creates no new immigration crimes.

        “The bill adheres to the doctrine of concurrent enforcement – the legal principle that preemption will not be found where a state law prohibits conduct that is already prohibited under federal law,” he said.

        Reasonable suspicion’The most criticized aspect of the Arizona law is a mandate in Section II that state and local law enforcement officials must verify a person’s immigration status “where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States.”

        Racial profiling? Kobach said the Arizona law itself bars officers from relying on illegal factors like race, color, or ethnicity in making reasonable suspicion determinations.

      • JeffH

        Or maybe You’re the one that is lying again and you’re the one that just hasn’t read the provisions of the law.

      • JeffH
      • JeffH

        It is just much easier for you to call someone a liar than to face the truth. denisso, you must really have a serious identity problem!

      • denniso

        Wow, now that’s clever of you…quote the lawyer who helped write the law as justification of the law…genius.
        Reasonable suspicion? what does that derive from? Appearance, skin color, manner of speech, clothing, type of car driven? How would a cop have ‘reasonable’ suspicion based upon anything other than profiling? Would a cop suspect a blond,blue eyed female model of being ‘illegal’?? No, it can’t be done w/o racial profiling unless absolutely EVERYONE is stopped on the street or in a car…that means you too.
        I just heard that the cowardly AZ legislature has already backed off and changed the ‘law’. Now no one would be subject to search for papers unless stopped for another issue. The ‘law’ is already watered down and now almost meaningless…most ‘illegals’ don’t get into trouble w/ the cops so won’t be checked anyway.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dennislow,
        yeah wright!!! that’s why one third of the prisoners in Arizona’s prisons are ILLEGALS!!!!! that’s because they don’t get into trouble!!! Please remove your head from your anal orifice!!

  • Ross

    I am proud and willing to show my Birth Certificate that I carry, to prove to anyone that I am a rightful Citizen of the USA. So whats the big deal with these people in Arizona.. Legal or Illegal??? when did Illegal Citizens begin to have Civil rights? Human right to be treated humanely yes. Civil rights???

    • Peggy

      That Phoenix mayor should be ashamed of him self. What the Govoner signed into law is the best law that has been done for a very long time. And since when did illeagal’s have civil rights???? other than to be treated humanly. Isn’t that OUR COUNTRYS RIGHTS???? They don’t belong here unless they come through the front door. And what about all the deseases they bring with them when they aren’t legal????? I hardly hear anything about that anymore…

  • john

    P.S. I LIVE NEAR LAKE ONTARIO AND IF I ANT TO GO TO CANADA I BETTER HAVE MY PASSPORT AND ETC SO THAT I MAY VISIT MY NEIGHBORING COUNTRY. AND TO COME BACK TO THE USA ITS EVEN HARDER WITHOUT THE RIGHT PAPERS. HEAVENS IF YOU LOOS THEM. SO WAY SHOULDN’T ARIZONA TAKE THE SAME STEPS. SEEMS RIGHT TO ME.

  • http://wrhanley2@yahoo.com william

    Jan Brewer Great Job stand up for America we back you 100% We’ll vote them out in 2010/12

  • john

    mayor gordan is a poor excuse to represent his city. and harry your all wet in the collar also. Gordan says it will make the state less safe and etc. In the forth paragraph gordn said pearce is more concerned with headlines then the real problems on violent crimes and drug trade. DUH DUH IS THIS THE LAW THAT THE GOVENOR PASSED SUPPOSED TO HELP THE SITUATION OR AM I STUPID OR MISSING SOMETHING. iF i WAS GOVENOR I WOULD DO THE SAME THING. THANK YOU

    • Jeep

      I guess Gordon would take a different approach, maybe legalize heroin. And…voila…no more drug problem! Then, perhaps legalize theft. Voila…no more crime! The state would be safe again!

    • zack

      HEY ARIZONA:: YOU ALL NEED TO VOTE MAYOR GORDON OUT OF OFFICE LIKE WE ARE GOING TO DO THE DEMOCRATS, AND THEIR PET SHEEP OBAMA, AND FOUL MOUTH BIDEN……

  • Jeep

    Arguably Mayor Gordon shot himself in the foot with his own statements. He is quoted as saying, “Now everyone…” What was that? You mean a law that applies to all? How silly is that? Yeah take that statement to a real judge. “Uhh…your Honor, this law applies to all and is unconstitutional because it tramples the civil ‘rights’ of non-citizens…who don’t fall under the Constitution because they are not citizens, but…ummm…”

  • angel-wanna-be

    These damn Democrats sure as heck stick together, don’t they?_And They talk about the Re pubs, unwillingness to work in a bi-partisanship fashion. My guess is they probably would if the Dems leave them have some say. Let the Mayor of Phoenix say what he wants, it’s the action that counts! The stand Jan Brewer took, in passing the law of illegal immigration into effect, should to be applauded. The States are finally getting it, in Health care, and now immigration, no more screwing around with politics, do whats best for the people and she did!__You go Jan Brewer!

    • George E

      Angel,

      You’re right. The Dems have a well-oiled organizational machine that develops positions and makes sure everyone has them to repeat in conversation and debate. This wouldn’t be so bad if the main stream media didn’t simply repeat these talking points without challenge. Too many people simply assume if they hear something on one of the MSM outlets it must be true, but especially if they hear it on two or more of these outlets. If you are a student, and you hear one or more of your professors repeat these talking points as well, you just know this is absolutely a fact……ugh.

      I’m convinced the Dems are over reacting to the Arizona bill because they see this as another possible TEA Party movement. They want to control this debate and steer it towards the conclusion that the only reasonable solution to illegal immigration is amnesty. They don’t want a grass-roots movement steering the debate towards border security, identification and deportation or illegals, etc. So, they are using one of their old PR tools to try to defeat this movement; exaggeration and discrediting the law and people behind it. You notice that at the heart of their claims is that this law is “racist.” They like to use that line a lot to intimidate people into doing what they want them to do, or not do. It’s been pretty effective for the past couple of decades. Hopefully, it won’t work this time.

      • JeffH

        George E, so right and straight out of the Alinsky handbook…how else could the talking points and themes be so constantly similar across the board. As usual, the MSM is carrying the same rhetoric.

      • angel-wanna-be

        GeorgeE, They are over reacting on this bill, this amnesty bill’s already in place, who are the dems trying to kid. This law wasn’t being enforced. I think this interaction, is nothing more than, another created mass hysteria, by Dems to AGAIN make it appear they are for the working man & the down trodden. I don’t want to jump the gun here, and while I am optimistic, the Dems are scared as hell. They know they’re gonna lose seats come November. They may lose big! They’re pulling out all the stops, including discussions on, making Puerto Rico our 51st state, while the Dems have the majority, In my opinion the only thing they’ll gain in doing this is a great big ATTA BOY!__Too many people are onto the Liberal tactics now!

      • angel-wanna-be

        Sorry spelling error, I meant, Over reaction.

      • JeffH

        angel-wanna-be, “Too many people are onto the Liberal tactics now”

        When someone calls them (liberal hacks) out now, they slink back into their burrows to come back and lie another day.

      • angel-wanna-be

        Jeff, At’s what I’m saying, they can slink all the way the hell outta Washington, as far as I’m concerned! We’ve had quite enough of there political antics. The whole lot of them, act as if, they’ve just been released from jail and don’t know what to do first! They’re just running amok!_Good grief, they try to make friends with our terrorist enemies and dismiss our allies.

      • angel-wanna-be

        GeorgE, That’s the bad part the Lame Stream Media, the Democrats have hijacked them. I’m not sure what the incentives are, for the media to be kissing Washington’s a**. But they do. That’s why I watch fox, to get the other side of things. The media and the Obama Administration are highly offended with all the dissent against Washington politics. But the Liberal news media, thought nothing of it, when they hung a replica of George Bush on a hangman’s noose and paraded through the streets with it. Or a movie was produced depicting Bush’s assassination. If the Bambi Administration wants to whine about all the negative dissent, I’ve got cheese to go with that whine!

      • kate8

        The incentives for the media toward left wing bias is that the same people who own and control the government also control the media. If they want to keep their jobs, or even their news programs, they have to tow the line.

        They even own FoxNews. It just gives conservatives an outlet, while still controlling what we hear.

  • http://gmail i41

    The bill is a good shining light, it is 16 pages long, short and too the point, fact is the most illegals, are criminals, first, breaking our border laws, second, bringing in drugs, using our welfare programs and medical care as a free hog trough, to wallow in. Now with the healthcare bill and the combination of frills and bills passed by progressive dem, bleeding hearts, the citizens finally have had enough of depending on Washington’s promises and laws that don’t get enforsed. AZ. just had enough of the fed BS.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      i41,
      It’s still too long. I mean, how many pages do you need to say: illegal? Detain. Deport!! But only if you have probable means of suspicion! Sounds clear enough to me and a normally educated non-lawyer can read it!!!

  • Bill G

    If the bill is unconstitutional, why is/has there been the same bill in the Federal Laws?
    It’s time to get another Mayor who knows what he’s doing…..

    • George E

      I’m pretty sure this bill is NOT unconstitutional. The Dems are playing politics with this issue because they don’t want to see another “TEA Party” type movement get started where grass roots American people tell the government what to do. They want to control this debate to steer it towards amnesty for all illegal immigrants. This is one of their key strategies for increasing the number of Democrat voters, so they’ll scream bloody murder if necessary to stay in control of this issue.

  • FREE

    To bad no one has the intestinal fortitude to deport the usurper from Kenya.
    Maybe if he does a tour of Arizona someone there will do what needs to be done.
    Well I can hope for that change, can’t I?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Fre,
      how do you expect that when they won’t even deport his Aunt when they have twice denied her assylem request???

  • J.D.

    Amen Rob! I’m also tired of the “race card”. I speak Spanish and have quite a few Hispanic friends. And, besides, our Constitution doesn’t cover every person in the world, just those who are U.S. citizens. So, to call this unconstitutional is just plain stupid. As far as people saying it infringes on their right to privacy, if this bothers you, I hope you didn’t fill out the census form for 2010. It was a hell of a lot more intrusive!

    • Time

      JD, BINGO, you hit the nail on the head.

  • http://NA 1776+234

    Apparently making a law to enforce the law is unconstitutional – Mayor Gordon is a “TWIT” instead of suing his own state who is tring to enforce the law our federal govt. will not, he should be suing the feds for not complying with enforcement which is dereliction of their duty. Get of the soap box lefists there is nothing hateful or racist about this law it is only to enforce laws on the books – read the law for a change instead of whining about something you do not take the time to understand.

    • kate8

      Unfortunately, I wouldn’t be looking to the courts to do the right thing. They will do the bidding of the PTB. The Constitution and the will of the people are no longer of any consequence in America.

      The law is what the masters say it is.

  • Rick Bowen

    Can you imagine the gall of the governer. Creating a law that makes illegal people illegal !

    • J.D.

      Rick Bowen, quit using common sense or you’ll never make a good liberal-HA,HA,HA!

  • Scott

    Harry M Farah Quote; “it will the catalyst to destroy the “United” States of America and it’s image as the Land of Opportunity and Hope”
    Not much hope for the Rancher Murdered there in Arizona is there? How many more?
    The only times the liberals find something “Unconstitutional” Or “Constitutional” is when it meets with their agenda. If it the Constitutional rule doesn’t meet with their agenda, “it’s outdated”, “we live in a different time” ETC.
    That doesn’t seem to be the case here, does it?

  • Cheryl

    I agree with Scott Camp. The illegal aliens are costing us taxpayers, those of us who get up and go to work each and every day, millions of dollars. Not only are their children receiving discounted meals at school, they are teaching them ESL. Why not teach our children SSL (spanish as a second language.) They continue to ride on our coat tails, free medical while our insurance premiums continue to rise to cover their ‘free’ hospital stays. I support anyone who chooses to come to this country, as long as they do so the way my family did from Germany and Poland. The right/legal way, no free rides. Most of the illegals who work, work for cash, they do not pay ss, medicare, taxes, instead they get WIC to buy groceries and so many benefits of which you and I are picking up the tab.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Cheryl
      Just to show you how little this government listens to people, now after they voted four times NO! the government is trying again to make Puerto Rico a state!!! how many times do those people have to tell our government no before they listen???

  • http://personalliberty rob

    OK….if this new bill is unconstitutional, then all you have to do is QUIT giving out FREE assistance to NON citizens/undocumented individuals. We are asking WHY the states are being bled with budget problems? It is beyond me how they are receiving these benefits in the first place. FREE healthcare, Free education, Food stamps, and the list goes on. As a US citizen/taxpayer, I find this disgusting. Race/Nationality(DON’T pull the RACECARD) isn’t the issue, it’s “LEGAL” vs “ILLEGAL”. If there is a silver lining regarding this issue, the AMERICAN citizens are waking up. Hopefully, our elected officials will begin to represent “WE the PEOPLE”.

    • denniso

      Legal vs illegal??? So show me an American citizen who doesn’t break the law repeatedly…should we ship out or lock up citizens who cheat on their taxes,speed on the highways,run red lights,commit minor insurance fraud? All of those things cost the whole society and put people at risk and even kill others. This is not about legal vs illegal, it’s about politics, for some trying to gain an advantage by whipping up a frenzy…it’s also about race and the many white people terrified that they are being infringed upon by darker skinned people.

      The issue distracts from the real facts of crime in our country, which is almost entirely citizens victimizing citizens, and the real financial rip offs by the reckless and fraudulent behaviour of our financial system…screaming about any $$ that immigrants cost us also ignores the trillion $ that the Bush wars are costing us and the thousands of young soldiers killed. It’s also hypocrisy at it’s worst.

      • JeffH

        …the real issue here is illegal aliens and enforcment of immigration laws, nothing else! Very simple to uderstand.

      • George E

        Correct. Let’s stay on topic.

      • http://personalliberty rob

        Deniso, I donot disagree with you on the polical stance you take on this issue. What I do take issue with is the BACKDOOR/ILLEGAL entrance to the US and the use/misuse of benefits meant for the LEGAL citizens of the US. Again, we donot address how and why ILLEGALS have or are given these benefits in the first place. How are they entitled. You mentioned a concern regarding dark skinned people, this is not the issue for me. We have ILLEGALS in this country of many races that have entered this country illegally. Money??? How can the taxpayers/States sustain providing for the care of BACKDOOR illegals. Isn’t there a FRONTDOOR immigration process for individuals to enter this country?

      • denniso

        Of course there is a ‘front door’ path for immigration…there’s also a program for migrant workers to come and go, mostly for the ag workers.
        I don’t want to be over run by immigrants or by too many native born Americans either…we already have way too many people in this country and should be using tax policy to also discourage people from having so many children. Citizens benefit monetarily by having 5,6 or 10 kids and it’s ridiculous to think that we can just keep expanding
        our population forever, and not ruin our land and society.

      • JC

        The birth rates of the American population are already well in decline. Meanwhile the birth rates of Islam and third world nations are growing. How long do you think it will be before “America” is gone anyway denniso?
        Time to shore up the barricades.

      • marvin

        DENNISO YOU MAKE ABOUT AS MUCH sence as a two day old what in the hell has running stop light got to do with being illegal running a light or stop sign is a crime by fine or jail time, being illegal is a crime by the same token, arrest detain [fine]and deport that is the federal law that is on the books

      • denniso

        Sorry if the logic is beyond your ability to grasp it.

      • JeffH

        …what is obvious is that all resonable logic has never ever entered your mind!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        dennislo,
        You never had a logical thought in your miserable life!!!

      • denniso

        Actually, I’ve got a pretty good life…sorry.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        denniso,
        well it isn’t due to logic!!!!

      • kate8

        denniso. “Show me an American citizen who doesn’t constantly break the law”? Are you speaking for yourself? Because I don’t do that, nor does anyone I know. It is libs who don’t honor the rule of law, don’t respect the rights and property of others, and who feel that if they get away with breaking a law, then no foul.

        I think it’s also fair to say that a good deal of time the penalty for a citizen caught breaking a law is more severe than when an illegal is caught. In any case, the fact that citizens break laws in no way justifies the behavior of foreign nationals.

      • JeffH

        kate8, I wonder if it might be some kind of a “sexual fetish” that stimulates these people off of the main road of common sense?

      • kate8

        denniso is just another fine example of what’s destroying this country. The “heck, everybody’s doing it” mentality. No real sense of right and wrong, no conscience.

      • Michael J.

        kate8,
        You are correct,and it’s because most Obama Zombies like Denniso are atheist who are lacking a moral compass.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        I can honestly say in 38 years I haven’t had as much as a warning ticket. the last car I got rid of had a little over ten thousand miles on it and had over 150,000 miles on it!!! I’m proud of that record. I guess dennislo just doesn’t get the implications of a good record. lower insurance, better relation with local police, all kinds of things!!!

      • JeffH

        I’m not the least bit concerned. When I got nailed for my DUI in 1980, I deserved it. Now I’m the self appointed designated driver for my friends. Not to worry if you aren’t doing anything wrong.

      • JC

        Liberals always take the automatic approach that everyone is bad and they need to be controlled. That’s what’s wrong with Liberals…for starters.

      • kate8

        JC, they can only go by what they know.

      • JC

        True. They must look in the mirror, see how immoral they are and assume everyone else is the same. Maybe those FEMA camps will be used for them eventually.

      • denniso

        Sorry kids, I try to explain things in simple enough terms for you and you still can’t comprehend…it’s either an innate problem w/ you or you’re just blinded by your reactionary politics like a mad cow when someone threatens her calf…blind anger dims the thought process.

      • kate8

        You can’t take it back now, denniso. You’ve shown yourself and it’s stuck.

      • JeffH

        kate8, I know denisso’s thought process that her/his ignorance is bliss because if you don’t know something, it can’t hurt you.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        kate8,
        I have this hobby. I see how many “small” laws I can break each day. I send chain letters. I jay walk. I set off thermo-nuclear weapons in densly populated cities. You know, only the “little” laws!!!!

      • Ron O.

        Once again denniso, your head is hidden in one of your bodies dark cavities. No, I am very conscious of the laws. I DO NOT run stop sign nor do RUN stop lights. I don’t cheat on my taxes and I don’t even drive if I’ve had a single beer. That is considered simply being responsible…..something that obviously you are not. The issue is, to get back on topic, about Mexicans invading our country. Illegally crossing the borders to: A. seek employment, have their babies, take advantage of our medical facilities, sell their drugs, commit crimes for personal gain and do any number of things that they would be encarcerated indefinitely for in their own country. Yet, here, they are given whatever they want by our government and everything they are being given, they have no right to receive because THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY. THEY ARE CRIMINALS! How about this denniso, I move into your house. You come home from whatever it is you do during the day and find me there sitting in your recliner, drinking one of your beers that I took out of your refrigerator. I now inform you that I and my family will be living in your home indefinitely and I have some issues that I want you to take care of. First of all, I want you to provide me with a job and also a job for my wife. I want you to pay for all of our doctor bills and take care of any medical needs that might come up. You will provide us with all the comforts you enjoy to include seeing to it that we get a driver’s license and obtain a loan for whatever vehicle we want to buy and drive. You are to start learning our language immediately so we can speak to you and we want free education for our children and free meals in the schools. Now, denniso, if you can live with this, I probably can round up about 15 million illegals to come see you.

      • Ted Crawford

        denniso is,at best, a student of saul alinsky,cloward-piven tactics! At worst, a progressive, payed, plant! In either case not worth reading!!!!

      • denniso

        It’s amazing to me that you rightwingers read people I have never heard of and then say that I’m following the tactics of those people.
        Cloward who? I hadn’t heard of Alinsky until you people informed me of his existence and I find out he’s was a pretty interesting and good guy. Maybe you should quit reading and alluding to people who the liberals/progressives mostly don’t even know about?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Ted,
        There is one other possibility that is just as bad. He could be just plain stupid and still gets to VOTE!!!! Well I DID tell you it was just as bad!!!

  • Al Sieber

    Hey Harry, like Robin said, we had to pass a law to enforce one. I live in Ariz. something had to be done. what do you think is the solution?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Al Sieber,
      Here’s a few FACTS to back up what you said to these bleeding hearts out there.
      1) Half of the illegal border crossings are along Arizona/Mexico border.
      2)Phoenix is number one in kidnappings in US and number two in the WORLD!
      3)Drug violence in northern Mexico and spilling over the border.
      4)ver the last several years, A record number of stash houses for illegals and drugs have been uncovered in Arizona!!!
      Now if these aren’t reason enough for those out there then you must be brain dead!!!

  • Hoodlum

    Jan Brewer is a modern day Joan of Arc. Defending what is RIGHT against the cupcake leftist who would see this country destroyed.
    We hope you think about running for Prez at some point Jan!

    • Scott

      Hoodlum, She would get my vote, and I live in Missouri. She knew full well what would happen, and she signed the law anyway, for the good and safety of the American CITIZENS of Arizona. You should be very proud of her.

    • Dee McClain

      Right On! Let’s have more border states adopt this program and get our country’s ILLIGAL immigration problem SOLVED. Every state should declare their sovereignty from the Federal Government so that we can regain our county from this Socialist Regime. It IS the United STATES of American.

      • JeffH

        Dee McClain, AMEN to tat…right on girl…

      • George E

        Apparently, Texas is getting on board as well. I’m a proud Texan….

  • Scott CAMP

    I am so tired of leftist ranting and destruction of our county. We have a right as citizens of the United States to control our border and deport those who are not in our country legally. Wake up and stop pitching the one world government belief. I for one support Arizona 100%!!

    • zack

      Scott CAMP, way to go, I don’t live in Arizona either, but when I get home from Afghanistan maybe they will send us there to help weed the illegals out.

      MAYOR GORDAN SET DOWN AND SHUT UP. THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES!

      • Bass

        Zack, Thank you for what you are doing for us over there. Obama want!

      • JC

        Zack, bring everyone with you. America needs it’s best and bravest oathkeepers here at home.

      • George E

        Thanks Zack for what you’re doing for our country. Come home soon, and stay safe. God bless.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Zack,
        Kick some azz, come home soon and stay safe, Dude!!!

      • Ted Crawford

        Jack, THANK YOU for your service! One thing, DON’T take any prisoners! This administration will only give them legal status to vote progressive! Reward them with their 72 virgins!!

      • JC

        Ted, wouldn’t it a surprise to them if it was actually 72 “Virginians”? ;)

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Ted,
        I like the one that shows their 72 virgins as 72 nuns holding shotguns!!!! now that’s most excellent as bill & ted would say!!!

      • zack

        You Guys are the greatest,and we thank you all. We all have a bad feeling about things here, but we will do what we came to do. God Bless All Of You, And God Bless America!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Zack,
        God Bless you ALL as well!!! you all are a very important asset to this country as patriots will always be our front line of defense.

  • Harry M Farah

    Mayor Gordon is absolutely correct in his attack on the most hateful legislation ever passed by a State. Russell Pearce should be run out of office for contributing to the destruction of America’s Image as the Champion of Human Rights. If this immigration law ia allowed to exist, it will the catalyst to destroy the “United” States of America and it’s image as the Land of Opportunity and Hope.

    • obiwan

      America’s Image was killed by the Bush admin. The liabilities of the ILLEGAL immigration problem far out weigh the assets. The US is already broke. The most deseving of opportunity and hope are those already LEGALLY living here. The rest can follow the law and wait their turn. There’s a damn good reason for immigration quotas.

      • Jeep

        That’s right! It’s Bush’s fault! Why, if Bush could have destroyed the economy quicker, then all these illegals would have left (since there would be no reason to stay) So, gosh darn Bush for not wrecking the economy faster!

      • George E

        ha, ha, ha. I hope everyone understands you are kidding.

      • Jeep

        Yeah, me too George!

      • Ron O.

        Hey George, I think we do. The fact that good ole Jimmy Carter started the push for lowering lending standards for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae was the beginning of it all and when Clinton got in there, he pushed it even harder for eight more years and the whole lending world was on the downhill double black run by the time good ole George W. got in there. He did little to nothing to stop it even though he was warned what was to come. George W. inherited it from the Dems. and we had a Democratic congress since 07″. Need I say more? Anyhow, we can point fingers all day long and get no where. The thing we need to fully understand is that our constitutional rights apply to the citizens of this country and ONLY to the citizens of this country. If you come here illegally, you have committed a crime which is unlawful entry into a foreign country. THAT’S WHAT THE MEXICANS ARE DOING WHEN THEY CROSS OUR BORDERS WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION! Get that straight. They are entitled to nothing, PERIOD. They are criminals….not poor rejected, starving, innocent, want a better life people. They paid a coyote up to $5,000.00 dollars U.S. to get here or to the border crossings. They were not starving nor were they depressed. They had learned that they could get away with murder and take advantage of our system to get rich quick and that’s just what millions of them have done right up until the bottom of our economy dropped out which they helped to happen. Wake up you stupid bleeding heart morons and see what has happened to our country because of a government that will not do it’s job. This is why states have acted on their own. AND, this immigration law is not unconstitutional. It is a necessary measure to insure the security of our borders. You take off your shoes at the airport when you go through security, don’t you? That’s supposedly for our security too and if that’s not unconstitutional, neither is this immigration law.

      • meteorlady

        Illegals cost this country more in one year than both wars.

      • Hugh Jordin

        They came uninvited and should not be surprised when they are expelled from the party for scoffing up undeserved goodies.

      • meteorlady

        Yes and a lot of the “legal” immigrants still work under the table for cash, pay no taxes, get social services, have their own bankers and live in subsidized housing. So what ever happened to the part of the immigration law that says you must be self-sufficient to come here or your “sponsor” must take care of you until you can make your own way?

        The fact is that millions of Americans are out of work, our social welfare system is burdened beyond what it can support, our schools are filled to capacity, and our health care system is over-run with non-paying people. These illegals are not holding low or menial jobs, they are in construction, landscaping, irrigation and industry. These are all jobs that Americans would certainly take if they were available.

      • JC

        Oh here we go…Blame Bush again….BORRRRIIIING!
        He’s gone if you didn’t know.

    • George E

      Now, now Harry. Let’s not exaggerate. This law simply codifies the federal immigration laws which are already in place, and standardizes Arizona law enforcement agencies across the state on how they should deal with enforcement of these federal laws. (Up to now, each agency had to decide on their own whether to devote resources to enforce federal immigration laws. Some chose not to.) It does not attempt to strengthen the federal laws, or instruct Arizona law enforcement agencies to process illegal immigrants outside federal agencies. No doubt this law will encourage more and better training of local law enforcement officers on how to lawfully detain people so that they don’t violate racial discrimination/profiling laws. So, in the end, I would argue that this law will probably help to reduce those kinds of problems rather than increase them as you are obviously concerned.

      Democrats are playing politics with this law. They obviously don’t want to lose the initiative on reforming our immigration laws to the states. My guess is they see this as another grass roots political movement (like the TEA Party) which if not stopped quickly may cause them to lose control of the immigration issue. After all, the feds want to tell us how our immigration laws should be constructed and managed. The last thing they want is for the people (states) to tell them. Think about it……

      • JeffH

        George E, so very well informed you are. It’s a shame that the president and the “goody feely” people can’t tell us the truth. They’ve taken the racist and violent attacks to another level, promoting the “fear” factor over this completely legal law that only supports the enforcement of the nations immigration laws.

      • George E

        Thanks Jeff. We just can’t let the Dems jamp through an amnesty bill like they want. We’ve got to support programs like this Arizona law so other states will join in and the feds finally understand we want border security and law enforcement not amnesty.

      • Ron O.

        Right you are George. In fact, here in Colorado, our own Scott McKennis wants to bring such a law to Colorado. He is running to replace Bill “DO NOTHING FOR OUR GOOD” Ritter. I am looking at giving my support to his efforts for the Governor’s mansion.

      • Bob

        I am glad someone else has read the 16 page law. I will lay odds that there isn’t one person in Washington DC that has even read the document, especially the ones that are throwing the race card at Arizona. Other states need to read this document and mirror it in their states, especially our border states, north and south. If you have ever lived in any other country which I have, you need a passport to go from one country to another. Canada has just started this requirement for the US when we enter their country. So what it the difference if its the other way around?

      • JC

        Just to clarify, Canada started it’s requirement after the US already started asking Canadians for their passports. Up till the US made it a requirement a driver’s license was all that was needed.

    • Dee McClain

      The Bush Administration rattled the cages of those socialist, communist, leftist, terrorist who did not see us as “Liberators” of Iraq, NOT the colonist or captors of the people of Iraq.Do you think, the Soviet Union, China, Argentina, Isreal cares what the rest of the world thinks of them? People from all over the world are still comeing in droves to make this there home. Next to Israel, who the Obama administration is letting hang out to dry, Iraq is the only other Democracy is that region. If Mexican’s (or any others) want to be a part of the AMERICAN CULTURE let them arrive here as my grandparents did, legally and through the front door. After they get here, let them ASSIMILATE and SPEAK ENGLISH. I am SICK of pressing 1, SICK of seeing bilingual signs, and SICK of other Americans saying we are racially profiling. If Mexicans are crossing the border to come here who should we be looking for…the Amish. They are the only ones so far that have remained unscathed …maybe because they don’t have TVs.

      • Ray

        You need to step AWAY from the faux news and realize that nothing you can do is going to stop the influx of people from across the border.

        You should welcome these immigrating people, and try to be friendly.

        Being angry at Liberals and Mexicans isn’t going to help you.

        Being an “illegal immigrant” is already illegal.
        Republicans= silly.

      • meteorlady

        Yep – I should welcome more people that want to live off the money I earn. Yep – I should love the fact that they over burden our hospital emergency rooms with non-emergency free care. Yep – I should love the fact that each immigrating family costs every tax payer in this country. Yep – I should welcome the fact that we have drug wars and drive by shootings on our borders. Yep- I would welcome the drug dealers, criminal, welfare scamming people that come here. Yep – I should love the people that have the arrogance to step to the head of the immigration line and spit int he face of every person who has waited to get here legally. Yep – I just love people like you who do not have a clue what’s going on but believe that the rest of us should be more than thankful and happy that we need to pay for these criminals.

      • JeffH

        Did you get a warm tingly feeling down your leg when you posted your comment?

      • Ron O.

        Ray, you are so funny. You should welcome all those people. By the way, they are not immigrants, they are criminals. If you knew anything about our laws you would know that it is a criminal offense to cross the borders into this country without authority, permission and proper documentation. What do you not understand about that law. We have all kinds of illegal tresspassing going on. Why don’t you put a big sign up in front of YOUR house welcoming all illegal people from whatever country they come from and YOU feed them, house them, clothe them and provide them with medical care and support them with your undying love.

      • Airangel

        Hey Ray, one Rancher in Texas did welcome and try and help an illegal lying on the ground face down…the rancher was shot for it, turning back to his ATV to call for help. By the time someone found him he was dead…why, the month before he had turned in some bags of drugs to the authorities on his property…he was shot for “losing” the drug cartels “stuff”…but our Media doesn’t print that because the American people would get even angrier if the deaths of OUR citizens were given as much empathy as these criminal “illegals”…other ranchers were also beaten (a wife and her husband) and told to keep their mouths shut…all true…Schools, Hospitals, businesses…this is a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE Not immigration and I don’t care if they have to I.D. every Arizona citizen to get it under control and safe again.

      • JC

        Let’s give them Ray’s address. He can welcome them to all he has.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JC,
        Ray could be illegal himself!!!!

      • Warrior

        In your honor Ray, I just put a sign on my front lawn welcoming all Phroggers. What the heck, when I’m at work there’s nobody watching my TV or eating my food. You should also try this or better yet, why don’t you go to AZ and adopt a couple of these hopefully future Dems.

    • Flynn

      Mayor Gordon says the law is unenforceble only because he don’t want to enforce it. The new law is based on the Federal immigration law, which is only unenforceable because the Feds do not want to enforce it. It is time that Phil Gordon was kicked out of office alone with Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelozi for dereliction of duty. Why should the taxpayer continue to pay the salaries and bloated pensions of elected officials who are derelict in their duties? Governor Brewer and the Arizona legislature has my support. I hope they will stand their ground and enforce this law, which is a step in the right direction to solved our illegal immigration problem.

      • marvin

        in short AMEN OR FOR YOU THAT DON,T KNOW WHAT AMEN IS [SO BE IT]

      • SiliconDoc

        That’s right: ” Why should the taxpayer continue to pay the salaries and bloated pensions of elected officials who are derelict in their duties? ”
        -
        It burned me to the hilt that Obama was a senator and went galavanting around to steal the presidency illegally and with the demo machine elite’s help, while he kept his “job” and showed up like 19 days a year.
        How the **** do these ******** get away with something like that?
        How does it ever get that bad, where flagrantly and openly, they don’t do their job, don’t show up, don’t vote, galavant around and do whatever else, collect the whole paycheck anyway and no one gives a ****, and then, the potus position is given anyway…
        THAT ALONE shows how stinking and corrupt it all is now.
        I’m sorry, this nation is totally GONERS.
        ANYTHING goes, don’t even show up for your job, blow it off for years way below the bare minimum, then take the highest office in the land.
        WE ARE DONE.

    • marvin

      harry m for over100 years to be a citizen of this country, their were things you had to do and is the law we live by,and just coming here with no papers and doing what ever you want an,t any of them ,we have laws in this country that i and ever other american citizen has to live by the state of arizona is charged with protecting it citizens you may not agree with arizona laws but it was supported and passed by 70% of the people the house and sen and the gov here in alabama the law can set up traffic stops just look at your dri lic ins card and car reg do i like it no do i have all my papers ins card driv lic reg yes being in this country undocumented[illegally] is a crime under federal law the arizona law is no differant then federal law and because the federal goverment will not enforce the law we have 20 million illegals in this country demanding rights they do not have the only rights you have as a undocumented [illegal] is arrest detain deport this arizona law is a direct result none enforcement bt the open border bunch that just want to be re elected and have no respect for the rights of the people of each states it is we the people not we the undocument or we the federal goverment 90% of the undocumented can not speak english ether have no papers or have papers belonging to someone else so get off your high and mighty open border free free god almighty free at last we can go where and when we want and to hell with the law and and anyone that trys to stop us that is what you are saying

      • Jesse

        Obviously some illegal bumped Marvin from English class.

    • zack

      Harry M Farah, sounds to me like you might be one of those illegal immigrants.

      Way to go Governor Jan Brewer, maybe other states will follow suit and get rid of these illegal immigrants.

      By the way someone needs to check Harry M Farah’s GREEN card, and his family’s to, don’t you think? HeHeHe

    • marvin

      HARRY M arizona citizens have spoke and said no more enuf is enuf mabe if you lived there and had a half million illegals you may see things differantly but i don,t thing so you think you have the right to tell, the good people of arizona how and what to do and what is right or wrong ,with your way of thinking the citizens of arizona do not have or need a say in how their state is being run i guess it would be ok to just do away with the state legislator and let the do nothing federal goverment tell you what you can and can not do and to that i say bull sh-t less power to the federal goverment and more power to the people not less it is call V O T I N G for what you belive in

    • coolpop

      Are you too dumb to realize that the illegals are sucking the life out of this country ! Try going into Mexico without permission ! They are tough on illegal Americans , but we should allow them to come and commit countless crimes in this country ? Deport all the illegals AND the fools that are helping them. Including YOU,traitor !

    • Airangel

      Arizona is so on track to enforce an existing Federal Law that the current administration turns a blind eye on for the votes!

      Please Read to the End

      JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL
      You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”.
      Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .

      Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

      Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

      Ready? Now pay attention…

      Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has
      $31,231.00.

      Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has
      $31,200.00.

      Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now
      has $24,031.00.

      Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

      Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per
      year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

      Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

      Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

      Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

      Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

      Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.

      Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

      Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

      Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

      Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

      Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get
      a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

      Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

      Do you get it, now?

      If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens…
      You are part of the problem!
      It’s way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!
      What are you waiting for? Pass it on.

      • Michelle

        THANK YOU! Someone finally gets it. We contacted our Phoenix Council Rep and from recent reports they Council members are not in favor of legal action against the law. Just wait until election time! Another democrat and non-American bites the dust.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Michelle,
        I just wish he would stop using my name as an example!!! I already get upset about how short a distance my money goes!!! It goes far enough but I would like it to go a little farther!!!

      • JC

        Let me see if I can understand this?

        IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

        IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

        IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

        IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

        IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN

        IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

        IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

        IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET

        1 – A JOB,
        2 – A DRIVERS LICENSE,
        3 – SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
        4 – WELFARE,
        5 – FOOD STAMPS,
        6 – CREDIT CARDS,
        7 – SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
        8 – FREE EDUCATION,
        9 – FREE HEALTH CARE,
        10 – A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
        11 – BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
        12 – AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT

        I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION

      • Airangel

        JC…by George, I think you’ve got it! Pretty pathetic huh?

      • George E

        That kind of sums it up……..ha.

      • Ricky

        jc you have it right. but you left out hondrus thay will shot you. that is why they wont go south .thay have a limet so many a year and thay keep up with them .a few mounths ago thay had 7 of them piled up where thay crossed their border . that is what the U>S>A> needs to do I CAN NOT SEE WHERE THAY CAN PROTEST IF THAY ARE NOT EVEN FROM THE U.S.A. THIS GOVERMENT NEEDS THE BIG CHANGE … CHANGE ALL THAT ARE IN THE WHITE HOUSE .FOR ONES LIKE JAN BREWER .AT LEAST SHE IS TRYING TO STOP THE ILLEGALS FROM CROSSING ,AND KILLERS COMEING OVER HERE .I THINK ALL STATES SOULD DO THIS .IF THAY DONT REMBER NAMES IN NOVEMBER IF THAY WERE NOT FOR<<<>>> that is right it is a law in the U,S,A, AND IT IS IN THE BOOKS ….. ask your govner ..

      • JC

        Ricky,
        I’m not advocating we kill them. I am suggesting though that we take away the benefits (bird feeder) for starters. These unfortunate people need to go home and clean up their own back yard. On that same note, we Americans will once again have to clean up our own back yard…starting with Congress and then moving on to the White House.

      • Jesse

        I don’t get it. How do you claim welfare and food stamps and free medical treatments without any ID that says you’re a citizen? When these illegals show-up for any of these services INS should be called. The only service that should be available to illegals is a bus trip to a holding facility about ten miles from the border… then they should all be chained together and marched back to the border.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Jesse,
        These CRIMINALS get counterfit licences, social security cards, and all kinds of ID that the government offices don’t check out!!! We need some adult supervision for these government employees. Think we can get the boyscouts????

    • Bass

      Harry M. THE CONSTITUTION IS FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY, NOT FOR
      PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES UNLESS THEY ARE HERE LEGALLY. This means
      they have to sign in before they cross over the boarder, and sign out when they leave. they also have to report where they will be, and why are they here.

      • SiliconDoc

        No, sorry, now, with the former muslim child foreigner communist totalitarian potus teleprompter puppet, illegal foreign terrorists have full rights.
        YES, IT’S TRUE. THAT’S WHERE WE ARE.

    • meteorlady

      What the heck – you must like the fact that Arizona and the rest of the US is going broke trying to deal with illegals. There’s criminals, drug wars, fraud in social services, hospital emergency rooms are over run with free health care for illegals, schools are over populated and forced to educate in English and spanish to the detriment of American children and these people are costing the United States more than both wars combined. So what are you thinking?

      There are no “constitutional” rights for illegals in this country same as there are no rights for convicted felons. They have “constitution” rights in their own country and should do the right thing and go back, stand in line like every one else seeking to immigrate to this country.

      This certainly is not racial profiling and the police are not actively enforcing immigration laws. The US immigration laws state that if a person is stopped for criminal activity or traffic violations they must show ID and if they are not legal the local law enforcement agency is to contact ICE to pick the subject up. They are merely checking for legal status once a person is pulled over or arrested for a crime. That is the same as with every legal citizen of this country. The racial profiling is just a liberal spin to make us feel sorry for illegals.

      You might want to do some research and check on what these illegal and immigration in general cost US taxpayers by going to the following website: http://www.cis.org/illegal. Also while there check out what the 1986 amnesty costs us and is still costing us as taxpayers.

      The fact is that illegal is still illegal no matter what spin you put on it. Our borders are so open that terrorists could carry bombs across and our government does nothing to stop this. The 1980′s amnesty just opened the gates for more bad behavior because these people get rewarded for breaking our laws.

      • kate8

        meteorlady, have you heard that the dems are planning to resore rights to convicted felons also? They are stopping at nothing to stack the voting deck in their favor.

    • marvin

      harry m farah you are a frigen idiot the arizona law is just like the fed immigration law that has been the law in this country for allmost a hundred years undocumented is the same as illegal and the law for you, if you are to blind or stuped to look it up saz arrest, detain, fine, deport, now thay are small words for uneducated morrons like you so take your ass kissing liberal unamerican illegal loving self back to what ever country you cam from we the american people do not need you here if you do not know the law and think it is ok to break it and as for the marcher we will find out how it works for you when you are deportaed if i.c.e won,t do there job arizona can and will

    • Jim G.

      During the 1930′s many States REQUIRED that a part of a City Charter would be that it was required to have a clause that made it a crime for a politician or public official to NOT enforce federal and State laws. I wonder if Phoenix does’t have the same. I know Minneapolis does. I believe most cities even include such a clause in the oath of office for Mayor, City Council people, as well as law enforcement officials. Now we have some idiot politicians saying it is unconstitutional to enforce the “Federal Law”. And unconstitutional to have State Laws that require the enforcement of “Federal Law”.

      People need to begin to be serious about the borders and immigration. We simply cannot afford not to. The figure of ten million illegal aliens is also a joke. Having traveled to many, mant U.S. cities this year I can tell you that EVERY city and town in the United States is over run with illegal aliens. From New York to California, from Minneapolis and small towns in North Dakota and Nebraska to the gulf coast. And the fault goes to Republicans as well as Democrats. One wants more votes, and the other wants “cheap labor” that will undercut U.S. workers.

      Every State should pass a law that they require ALL state licensed police officers to enforce ALL laws including immigration law. Now we have a Secretary of State telling people that the U.S. Government and a President I voted for will sue a State for having the same law and enforcing the Federal law. This Democrat will probably change his vote in the next two elections.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    They had to pass a law to enforce a law that was already in place. If the law that was already in place had been enforced to begin with, there probably wouldn’t have been a need to pass another law. I think this is a wonderful start to dealing with the illegal immigration problem. Only those who are here illegally need to worry.

    • JC

      Robin, don’t you think we should all be worried about the ramifications of National ID?
      I say un handcuff the policing agencies and let them enforce the existing laws rigorously.
      And screw national ID.

    • Mary

      Robin there is a little problem. THEY ARE ONLY 20 MILLIONS. WE NEED A GREAT WALL IN THE BORDER WITH MEXICO NOT A FENCE. THESE POLITICIANS FROM HELL LEAD US TO THIS MESS. ALL THE STATES IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE TO REINFORCE THE LAW LIKE ARIZONA TO PROTECT US. IN MEXICO THEY PUT YOU IN JAIL FOR YEARS IF YOU GO THERE WITHOUT PAPERS AND ONLY IF YOU’RE LUCKY TO SURVIVE THE GANGS AND THIEVES ATTACKS. PHOENIX IS THE KIDNAPING CAPITAL OF THE USA. WHERE IN THE WORLD IS HOMELAND SECURITY. I REMEMBER NOW, THEY ARE AFTER THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE. BECAUSE THEY ARE SOOOO DANGEROUS.

  • Warrior

    THe left is spinning so fast on this their going to make themselves dizzy and will fall down on their boomka’s!

    • s c

      Warrior, Phoenix was a nice place to live until the Arizona version of Washingtonian career crminals moved in with their social justice and liberation theology insanity. Phoenix might just as well pick a name out of a phone book (a better way to ‘select’ many politicians). Let the bastards yell. America is sick and tired of politicians and their continually re-defined concepts of justice and false amnesty.
      This crap is all about EASY VOTES FOR CRIMINALS disguised as politicians. Did Napolitano hand-pick that twit mayor?
      Phoenix, get rid of that airhead. He should be cleaning toilets or putting up tents for Sheriff Arpaio (and being paid minimum wage).

      • http://?? Joe H.

        S C,
        The Mayor says this bill is unconstitutional??? Well I say HE is unconstitutional!!! He is not upholding the laws of the state and city as he more than likely swore to uphold!!! and before the bleeding hearts start about this being an immoral law, the same law was passed by the federal government and it wasn’t challenged by the corts so it seems to pass muster to me!!! You rock, Arizona!!!

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