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Tilting At Windmills: The Absurdity Of The Great Tax-Cut Debate

April 15, 2010 by  

Tilting At Windmills: The Absurdity Of The Great Tax-Cut Debate

How to Protect Your Wealth against the Soaring Tax Every American Will Have to Pay

As the contentious debate over the bailout package continues, the great central issue is, who should be taxed and how much should they pay?

In his first Federal budget proposal, President Barack Obama pointed to the dire economic plight of working Americans and argued that their taxes should be lowered, while businesses and the wealthy should pay more. Republicans, pointing to the economic boost provided by the Reagan tax cut in 1981 and the Bush tax cuts in 2001 and 2002, adamantly maintain that the way to boost the economy out of the depression and really help working Americans is to lower taxes on business and on capital gains.

In truth, both liberals and conservatives are tilting at windmills. Neither plan lowers taxes for either the rich or the poor. The liberals’ plan to shift more of the income tax burden to the rich does not lower overall taxes for the working classes. The conservatives’ plan to cut income and capital gains taxes for businesses and investors does not lower overall taxes for either. As for the argument over the Reagan and Bush cut taxes, they didn’t. There has not been a reduction in the rising level of taxes for either rich or poor at any time in the past 50 years.

While these statements seem to fly in the face of the evidence, let us look at it through the lens of common sense.

What is the overall tax burden on the American people? Do you believe, as most do, that it is the total of tax receipts collected by the Treasury? It is not. The actual tax is total government spending.

To grasp this critical point, ask yourself, what is a tax?

It’s money collected by government to cover its expenditures.

Government has two ways get money. The first is by force. Government demands that individuals and businesses pay a percentage of their income to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). If they refuse, they are faced with fines, imprisonment or both.

Face it, taking property by force or threat of force is stealing. Lysander Spooner, one of the great free market advocates on the 19th century, pointed out the absurdity of thinking otherwise: “What can be more absurd in nature and contrary to all common sense,” he wrote, “than to call him Thief and kill him that comes alone or with a few to rob me; and to call him Lord Protector and obey him that robs me with regiments and troops?”

Robbery, however, does not need to be done at gunpoint. It can also be done through fraud. If you lend someone money and that person has no intention to repay the loan, you have been robbed just as surely as if the money had been taken at gunpoint.

Just ask any of Mr. Madoff’s victims if they feel they’ve been robbed.

The government takes as much as politically possible by force through taxes, but if politicians try to raise taxes too high, they get tossed out of office. They have learned that what they can’t get by taxes, they can borrow.

Robbery By Any Other Name

It should be obvious that when the United States government borrows, there is no chance at all that it will ever repay. The history of government borrowing in the U.S. over the past century confirms it. From a debt of less than $2 billion a century ago, there are now more than $8 trillion in outstanding Treasury IOUs. (That figure, of course, does not count more than $60 trillion in pension and medical care promises.)

These government IOUs cannot and will not ever be redeemed.

How do we suffer the tax loss when governments borrow? Through price inflation. As the government borrows, interest rates rise and the central bank lowers those rates by monetizing the Federal IOUs. More money in circulation causes money to lose purchasing power. It has been going on for a century.

In 1910 a $20 bill could purchase an ounce of gold. Today, it would take 47 $20 bills to buy that ounce of gold. (That means, the Feds “taxed” away 46 of them through the fraud of government borrowing!)

The tax proposals in the stimulus package purport to lower taxes for all whose incomes are below $250,000. Thus the implication is that the bailout will help the working class, and the costs will fall on the rich. This is the opposite of the truth.

Lower income workers, retirees and the poor pay only a small portion of their income to the IRS. As they tend to spend most of their income on daily living, they are inflation’s biggest victims.

The more affluent members of society, on the other hand, spend a smaller percentage of their income on daily living, and through adroit investing have the opportunity to profit from rising prices.

One final point regarding the great tax-cut debate is important: Taxation through devaluation Is the politically expedient course; but it is also more damaging.

The fraud of secretly taxing through borrowing (deficit spending) is far more socially and economically destructive than it is to cover the full cost of government by raising taxes to the level that would balance the budget.

Price inflation makes it difficult if not impossible for both consumers and businesses to plan ahead.

It impedes growth and progress in every society in which it occurs. If citizens were forced to pay for all government expenditures up front through direct taxation, voters would be shocked into the realization that the free lunch politicians promised is no free lunch at all.

If every dollar spent by government came immediately out of taxpayers’ wallets, politicians would find it impossible to fund their vast pork-barrel spending programs.

We’d all be able to plan for our future, confident that the purchasing power of our savings would be there when we’re ready to use it. Unfortunately, there is zero chance that the fraud of deficit spending will be exposed and eliminated. The stimulus package will go forward, and the deficits will soar to the stratosphere. It is as inevitable as… well… death and taxes.

And don’t buy the argument that these exploding deficits mean that you are laying the burden of debt on your children and grandchildren. No, you’ll be paying the fraud tax yourself in the months ahead as price inflation soars.

What should a sovereign individual do in the face of this incredibly destructive bailout now underway? Prepare yourself for the consequences that history shows always follow an explosion of irredeemable debt.

  • Stay away from long-term bonds that promise to repay you in the distant future.
  • Invest in hard assets, and the companies that produce them.
  • Diversify out of depreciating dollars and into those currencies and tangible, useable assets that will rise in value as the dollar falls.
  • Internationalize your assets.

P.S. The Great Taxation debate is just the beginning. When you start to peel back the layers, you’ll realize the U.S. is coming closer and closer to a tipping point, where a 212-year-old secret could devastate the fortunes of millions, while a tiny clutch of prepared investors reach a new level of wealth. It’s all in my FREE report, which you can read here

—John Pugsley

John Pugsley

Widely respected for his commitment to freedom, privacy and other libertarian ideals, John Pugsley is one of the Sovereign Society’s co-founders and currently serves as its chairman. John’s long and successful career in finance and publishing began in 1975 with his personal monthly commentary on economic and political events, Common Sense Viewpoint, which boasted 30,000 subscribers at its peak. He is the author of two books and for 10 years published an investment and economic newsletter. As Sovereign Society chairman, John is continuously discovering outstanding companies around the world that are unknown, suppressed and, most-often, totally avoided by brokers and advisors.

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  • Ronald D Johnston

    The only solution is revolution. This would immediately erase all our debt because the government which owes the debt no longer exists. This is our only chance to throw out all the radicals and start over.

    • eyeswideopen

      ronald, dude, it is against the law to advocate over throwing the government. This site is monitored and you need to be careful on how you state things.

      • s c

        Orbs, does that include ULTRALIBERAL PROGRESSIVES who wanted to murder Bush when he was in the White House?
        Y O U brought up the subject!

      • JLC

        EWO, to me, that looked more like an opinion than a proposal. It is true that conspiring overthrow the government is a crime. But an opinion? Last time that I looked, every body was entitled to one —even you and me!

    • JeffH

      Thought I would share the wikipedia info on revolution, for those that think a revolution can mean only one thing, violence!

      Political and socioeconomic revolutions

      Part of a series on
      Revolution

      Methods[show]Nonviolent revolution
      Nonviolent resistance
      Tax resistance
      Boycotts
      Samizdat

      Causes[show]
      Feudalism
      Economic depression
      Monarchy
      Dictatorship
      Fascism
      Communism
      Famine
      Natural disaster
      Persecution
      Corruption
      Industrial Revolution
      Commercial Revolution

      A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, “a turn around”) is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time. Aristotle described two types of political revolution:

      1.Complete change from one constitution to another
      2.Modification of an existing constitution.[1]
      Revolutions have occurred through human history and vary widely in terms of methods, duration, and motivating ideology. Their results include major changes in culture, economy, and socio-political institutions.

  • blamesomeoneelse

    Most comment that Bush, Clinton, Obama, some president are the ones that hire and fire! Dont you think the economy runs on its own? Yes they can have an effect on it but there is so much more involved. GM took over ten years to go brankrupt it didn’t happen in a month or two. It was not run vey good for many years and created it’s own destiny. They were selling pieces to get cash to continue, but unlike the government they could not print money and went under. The economy always cycles and when tappered with it takes longer to cycle down. As for our government they are all blaming someone else as the problem when the truth is they are all the problem! So what is the cure? Blame Bust or Obama? We need to get the government under control and smaller not larger as it is the fastest growing business in the world right now.

  • John Galt

    American Liberal? Isn’t that an oxymoron?
    Although irrelevant who first coined the phrase, “There’s a sucker born every minute.”, it appears to be proven beyond doubt by politicians.

    Wake up and smell the roses, before it’s too late.

  • American liberal

    I didn’t think any of you were capable of telling us what the republicans or Neo conservatives would have done diffrent… It’s to easy for you to remain sheep……and of course it’s about Bush , he drove the bus of the cliff while you cheered him on..

    • Joel Johnston

      You and your type are no more than curious wonders like zoo monkeys. Most scoff at your shallow primate utterances? Sure the other guerilla liberals with weak self esteem gather around the “burning Bush” to fling poo, but seriously, most only respond out of disgust when some of your poo gets on them. So run off and pull the lever for another government issued banana. I’m sure you will Rattle the cage when bored.

      • eyeswideopen

        Joel, since you are such the wiz kid, tell us what you would have done differently. Now remember the rest of the world had similar problems with their financial institutions, because they are based on ours, so have you looked at what they have done to assure they aren’t hurt again by our practices? Let me see, they all protected their own banks with an infusion of cash. Passed new regulations to protect them from our market practices. Can the whole world be wrong? just to refresh your memory. http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/2008-11-5-econsummit_N.htm Please note, this article was before Obama took office.

      • eyeswideopen

        here is a reference which will give you tons of information. http://www.globalissues.com/article/768/global-financial-crisis

      • JC

        Checked out your link. Nothing there that isn’t already widely known.
        Fiat Currency and Central Banking don’t work and it’s all coming to a head. No surprise there, so….what point were you trying to make?

      • JeffH

        Gee, another trip to nowhere?

      • DaveH

        They protected their banks with an infusion of cash? And where did that cash come from? Did they break into Parker Brothers? You Liberals really don’t have a clue about money, do you?
        When Leaders create money out of thin air, it is at the expense of their citizens who see the buying power of their cash savings diminish commensurately.

    • JB

      AL, you need to focus more on policy and less on personality. Who cares what a Republican would have done. We need to focus on current policy decisions and judge whether or not they’re right for the country. Talk about driving a bus off the cliff … this spending spree the current President has undertaken is, in my opinion, a recipe for disaster.

      • DaveH

        Speaking of spending, the National Debt will soon hit $13 trillion. It was $10 trillion when Obama took office.
        http://usdebtclock.org/

      • Norm

        DaveH
        How about all the banks, insurance companies and car companies that were about to implode? If the debt wasn’t enough the economy was in free fall. Even Bush realized it.

    • Patriot1776

      Hey Un-American Liberal, The reason none of these so-called “conservatives” can give you an answer to what a “republican” would have done different is because there is NO difference in the two agenda’s other than on social issues. You ALL need to take the founders red pill, and throw out the blue pill you’ve been fed your whole life! The demican’s AND the republicrats are leading us all down an unsustainable path of big government tyranny that will all end in tears if we keep arguing about which self serving political party is better for the Union. We have a Federal constitutional crisis on our hands that will not be solved by voting in one party or the other over and over again with NO REAL results! Read your founding documents, read the debates over them understand for yourself what this Union of States was meant to be and who was meant to hold the power! We can find, and have PROOF of original intent. Unfortunately the “Federal” government has decided it would benefit them to ignore the constitution and define thier own limitations. Which according to most in Washington is apparently none whatsoever! Both parties agree on this for the most part. With the exception of a few, VERY FEW. The reason we argue today about non-solutions is because we are all missing the point of liberty, individual rights, state soverignty, and self government. As the “Federal” government reaches farther and farther outside it’s constitutional boundries, and the Supreme court amends the constitution at will to support the usurpations by the virtually unchecked legislative and executive branches, we are left to argue over over the method upon which our remaining liberty will be confinscated. Wake up and think for yourself. Stop believing the sound bites and talking points. Research the truth about our founding yourselves.
      Here’s a good place to start:
      The Declaration of Independence(The meat and potatoes, Not just the life and liberty part!)
      The Philadelphia Convention of 1787
      The Virginia ratification debates
      Madison’s journal’s
      New Views on the Constitution-John Talor of Caroline

      • better

        This country could use a lot more “Ben Martin” folk such as yourself, a true patriot that gets what this country was founded on, grew from, and needs to get back to as far as keeping our independence, freedoms, and rights are concerned. Less Federal Governing with more adhered to checks and balances, separation of powers within the three branches. And more state sovereignty to enact the morays and folkways of the communities they govern. Bottom line, more unity with diversity, not uniformity with one source of power. God Bless America!

        Reply

  • better

    Happy Tax Day! Whatever happened to leading by serving – isn’t that what our forefathers poured into the Constitution. Why do we play this blame game over and over when we don’t gain and everyone becomes divided – not what was intended when these United States were formed. Whatever happened to constructively debating, where we don’t have to necessarily agree or accept what the other side is offering; but we should be empathetic and understanding to where they are coming from. Then maybe we can see a truer picture of our past and take the best of what every party has to contribute to grow and foster a united way through our adversity. In other words form a new paradigm that promotes healthy, positive unity (not uniformity) taking our diversity & good faith to form a trust once more in the vain that our forefathers, grandparents, parents, brothers and sisters, and neighbors sacrificed believed and intended these United States to grow. How they envisioned our nation to thrive and prosper into a brighter future than they achieved – An America where all Americans could envision and work towards achieving their American dream and allow their fellow citizens to do the same.
    Whatever happened to sacrificing today in order to achieve life, liberty, and happiness for tomorrow? We are the stewards presently empowered in this God Blessed land and how we serve as citizens, patriots, brothers & sisters to our common cause – FREEDOM – will pave the responsible way this country (USA) – not Democratic or Republican party – will grow or flourish in tomorrow’s world.
    Hey, let’s debate with passion for what we believe in; but let’s also not lose sight that we are all citizens under the same flag, that we are all responsible for and to this great land. Let’s gain a better way from having openly pursued a more stable course to witness from rather than close mindedly search for I win you lose at all costs scenario. We all create our challenges and opportunities and they will always be waiting in abundance at our door. It is the attitude and spirit with which we take action to these current issues that will predict the outcome of where we reside tomorrow.
    I’ll leave you with two parting thoughts: 1) it is better to witness than to rush to judgment. 2) When you harbor bitterness happiness docks elsewhere. God Bless America!

    • American liberal

      I agree with your post, I even tried to do as you suggest in your post and it didn’t work… How does a person try to have a rational conversation with people who insist on saying the healtcare bill has death panels , our president wasn’t born in Hawaii and his birth certificates been faked, he’s a Muslim, communist, soocialist , pals around with terrorist… ? president Obama has done some of the Samethings the rightwing hero Ronald Reagan wanted to do ( start treaty) eliminate nuclear weapons and now they say President Obama wants to grant illegals amnasty , which is exactly what Reagan did… So how do you talk with these people?.. I’m listening ..I can’t even get a real answer from any of these people on what conservatives or republicans would have done if McCain or anyother republican had been elected .., these people are only interested in bringing the president down even if the country falls with it.

      • better

        Unfortunately or fortunately we are “these people” and that where the beauty and challenge of being an American resides. Don’t lose your passion to stay involved and engage in working to a better tomorrow. Believe it or not this country is a Bottoms up country not a Tierney Sovereignity and there are a lot of plums in both the conservative and liberal camps – that’s why we should look at each other as Americans first and our ideology should come second in the effort to make this a better land. We the People carry on the torch of Freedom, it isn’t passed down by our leaders. Our leaders our elected to serve us (not serve above us) and when we they all start to look at themselves as Citizens rather than officals and begin to relate to the people they’ve been elected to serve we will re-unite with our glorious past and surrender to what once made us a beckon of hope in this world, instead of resorting to blame and division that has only fragmented us over these past 50 years. I believe our elected officials (all of them) need to quit indulging their egos at the expense of this country’s soul. If they really want to lead – they should enter their elected positions with set term limits, contributing to social security, paying for their health insurance through the same plans as the rest of us citizens are afforded, not voting themselves a pay raise, collecting NO pension once leaving office, and most importantly serving for the good of all the people they have been elected to govern. No one said life would be fair and our forefathers knew that what they formed (a United States)wasn’t perfect; but at least they most diverse of men in their time knew how to unite for a common cause and perservered to make lemonade of of lemons from the mother country. Remember, life is too short to hate anyone. God’s speed.

      • Anthony

        Better-
        It’s the proper perspective. Yet, this is not how power is welded. Hopefully, the paradigm will change – if it is allowed to, that is.

        We’ll see.

    • Norm

      better
      Am i on the right web sight. Sane thinking is rare here. Good post and good replys.

      • DaveH

        And you define “sane thinking”, Norm? Do you Liberals really think your childish condescension works on people with real brains?

      • Norm

        DaveH
        Who do you have in mind? I haven’t heard many neocoms who are very bright, especially on this blog.

  • DaveH

    John Pugsley,
    Excellent article!
    Maybe this statement will wake up some of the Liberals who view this board:
    “Lower income workers, retirees and the poor pay only a small portion of their income to the IRS. As they tend to spend most of their income on daily living, they are inflation’s biggest victims.
    The more affluent members of society, on the other hand, spend a smaller percentage of their income on daily living, and through adroit investing have the opportunity to profit from rising prices.”

    • DaveH

      Or maybe not. How do you wake up people that are hooked on OPM?

  • http://none Dale

    I am so happy to see that someone besides myself had gotten on the bandwagon. Politicians and government employees have the idea that when they get their paycheck somehow it magically become different money.

    The author was correct about taxes but missed another source of money for government spending. There is a bigger source than taxes, DEBT!

    The following is not about someone doing their job, but rather a lesson in economics:
    Every government employee adds expense and reduces income to the government.
    Every tax ‘paid’ by government employees is just a reduction in the amount of tax revenue they take from the private sector for their pay.
    Government wages and spending cannot stimulate the economy because their spending just returns the money to the private sector they took it from.
    Social Security is in the toilet because about half of the recipients never paid a dime into it. DEDUCTIONS FROM GOVERNMENT EMPOLOYEE PAYCHECKS DID NOT CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIAL SECURITY. THESE CONTRIBUTIONS JUST MOVED TAX REVENUE FROM ONE GOVERNMENT POT TO ANOTHER!
    once government spending, including wages, exceeds 15% of the income of the private sector it is no longer sustainable. Current estimates are that government spending is 140% more than the private sector.
    The obvious result is a sucked up economy and debt!
    The only solution is an immediate 85% reduction in the size of government and a reduction in wages and benefits equal to that of the private sector. Even these cuts would not reduce the debt only stop it from growing.

  • s c

    If King Obummer cares about the ‘dire economic plight of working Americans,’ he needs to stop acting like he’s taking his marching orders from saul alinsky. Obummer is busy raping the middle class and destroying America from within, yet his zombie followers see him as a god.
    The longer it takes for Americans to turn from this false god, the longer it will take to put America back on its original course. Now that Obummer is in full panic mode and looking for easy money, he’ll try to ram a European-style VAT tax down our throats. How ‘thoughtful.’
    How unAmerican. How manipulative. How hateful. And people see him as a god? A false god is a false god is a false god. When will this curse end, America?

  • American liberal

    After Bushs presidency if another republican had been elected the republican leadership would have taken it as a sign the American people approved of the policy that got us here…… And if the democrats don’t fix this, then change the wild spending then we vote them out… But this is a democracy which means ” we the people ” voted in this administration and they deserve the right to push their agenda ..so far the real opposition to President is based on nonsense that he’s a Muslim, he’s a terrorist, he’s a socialist , he’s an Arab , he wasn’t born in Hawaii… That’s just personal slander and started before he spent 1 penny trying to stimulate the economy…. It’s flatout racism and bigotry … If it doesn’t work, then vote him out… But the threats, bullseye targets on his picture is criminal and unamerican….. I despised Bush / Cheney… Still do, but never did I picture him with a bullseye…and you can’t compare Obamas spending on Healthcare for the benifit of Americans with Bush wasting trillions on Iraq where we lost 6000 troops and 50,000 wounded … Has anyone died yet over healthcare?.. And you do know the death panel rumor is just rightwing nonsense

    • Joel Johnston

      Oh look it was about Bush.

    • http://www.pbondillustration.com paul

      american lib, this reply is not just pointed at you . . . again, most of what i’ve seen so far is no one is COMMENTING ON THE ARTICLE as it is written! the article holds both parties equally to blame, going way back before Bush or Obama, doesn’t it? what started the housing bubble? a republican congress under the leadership of Bill Clinton, deregulating the banks (go on wiki and read about glass-steigle). when the liberals and the conservatives realize that they have been divided-and-conquered by the 545 poeple that run this country, get smart and realize we’ve ALL been screwed by almost All of the 545 people legally responsible for running this country, (see Charlie Reese to learn about the 545 people). and if you go back TO THE ARTICLE, the problem goes back to well before the housing bubble, whether you liked Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, whatever, the problem was well rooted by then! no, I didn’t vote for Obama, or McCain, I voted Libertarian, I tell people that bitch about Obama that they have missed the whole show, this country has been voting for Obama for forty years, here he is! It’s too bad the average voter understood 1000% more about was going on with Monica Lewinski than the really serious things that have been going on for soooo long! That’s what’s so great about this article, it explains what has really been happening far better than anything I have ever seen in print, so go back and read this article, and this time make an effort to see what it is saying!

  • American liberal

    Dave…. What do you suppose a republican president would have done diffrent ?

    • Joel Johnston

      Am Lib why don’t you spell out the answer to your own question. C’mon throw out your antagonist opinion as usual. It has to include Bush though. By the way did Bush remind you of your dad?

    • eyeswideopen

      American Lib, they would have done the same exact thing. Remember the first bailout? That was requested by repub Pres and passed by Congress. The repubs would have done exactly the same thing Obama has. If the mentality was to prevent failure of big banks (too big to fail) the mentality would have stayed the course and they would have done a stimulus too. You can’t have one mentality about the banks and wall street, and another for middle class economy. They are hypocrites.

  • Norm

    Sept 25, 2008. A trip down memory lane for you amnesiacs. Obama was not even elected until November.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5879591&page=1

    • JC

      Don’t you mean illegally elected?

      • American Citizen

        The election was bought and paid for by Soros and his allies.

      • Norm

        American Citizen
        I voted for Obama and Soros didn’t pay me.

      • American Citizen

        You need to tell him he owes you.

      • Norm

        JC
        He won by quite a margin. I didn’t see anything illegal about -did you? Or did Beck tell you it was rigged?

      • JC

        First of all I have never, not once in my life watched an episode of Beck or Limbaugh. Secondly whether the election process worked or not is irrelevant. His Hopiness is an African.
        Why don’t we just have Putin run the country…he’s just as American as Changey Boy.

      • Norm

        JC
        Ooh do I detect a hint of racism here.

      • JC

        “Racism” Liberal code for I am childish so I’ll call you names.
        No MORON it’s a simple statement of fact. Africa is a continent on the other side of the Atlantic where His Hopiness was born, so saying he was born there is just that, fact!….get it? “Fact”.
        Margaret Thatcher was born in England, so I must be a chauvanist…
        Dipshit!

    • JeffH

      Norm, maybe a trip down “Obama memory lane” could be beneficial for all of us.

      June 2, 2008
      Obama’s Radical-Left Ties Broad And Deep
      National Review Online: Senator Approves Of The Political-Theological Outlooks Of Michael Pfleger and Jeremiah Wright

      Having now left Trinity United Church of Christ, can Barack Obama escape responsibility for his decades-long ties to Michael Pfleger and Jeremiah Wright? No, he cannot. Obama’s connections to the radical-left politics espoused by Pfleger and Wright are broad and deep. The real reason Obama bound himself to Wright and Pfleger in the first place is that he largely approved of their political-theological outlooks.

      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/02/opinion/main4145761.shtml

      • Norm

        JeffH
        Obama’s religion is of 0 importance to me. Maybe in Iraq or Iran religion and politics are one happy nightmare, but thankfully not here.
        As far as the commie thing, it is all total nonsense. My memory lane trip reminded us who authored the goverment bailouts.

      • American Citizen

        It’s not his religion, it the ideas he came away with.

      • JeffH

        My memory lane trip give me insight as to why Obama hates this country!

    • DaveH

      You think the actions of a Liberal Republican somehow absolves the actions of an even more Liberal Democrat, Norm? Get real. Obama is the here and now. Bush is gone. Get over it. Give us some credible solutions instead of wasting our time on the blame game.

      • eyeswideopen

        DaveH, once again, I ask you what programs would you cut? What benefit programs would you cut? Social security? Medicare? Disability programs? Defense? What programs?

  • Dave

    American liberal, you are the relief pitcher that came into the game, and being 10 runs behind gives up another 20 runs. Yet all you can
    talk about is the 10 run deficit you inherited. No, my mistake, Obama
    is the relief pitcher and you are the baseball fan crying over the 30 run loss saying, “It was the original pitchers fault.” When your man gives up 20 it is so much easier to focus elsewhere!!!

    • American liberal

      Dave… It’s to bad president Obamas presidency had to follow President Bushs disaster but every economist in the country says the only way to stimulate this economy is to pump more money into it… Thus the spending..and had McCain & Palin( god forbid) been elected the same stimulas would have been nessessary and probley most of the bailouts ..these bailout policys weren’t just coming from Obamas people… They came from all economist and took place during Bushs administration….so this isn’t an Obama policy… No matter who had won the election we would have had to stimulate the economy… Unless you think just going down the same path that brought us here would fix it

      • George E

        Please study capitalist economic principles. Obama’s big-government policies will NOT help the economy revive for any significant time. They are anti-capitalist in nature, regardless how you characterize them.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear American Liberal,
        Not every economist in the country believes that stimulus spending is what it takes to “fix” the economy. Only Keynesians and their ilk. Read http://mises.org/daily/3310 or http://www.lewrockwell.com/higgs/higgs105.html for starters. There are many others, should one choose to look. Please study Austrian school economics. While I agree with little you say, I will agree with you on one point: Had McCain been elected we would have the same failed economic and war policies as we had before, and as we have now.
        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • kimmy barns

        Bob,
        how do you fix an economy without government spending? If people are loosing jobs left and right who is left but the government to spend money?
        If the banks would have been left to fail what would that have done? How much money would the government have had to pay out in FDIC Insurance? What about all the people that would have lost everything and people that would have lost retirment and so on?
        As for the car companies, the government should have given them loans instead of buying into the company. But I don’t think we really want the American Auto industry to fail do we?
        I do not agree with everything Obama is doing, but I feel he was the lesser of two evils at the time. The great thing about this country is that every four years we can change our President if we want to. We can change most of Congress every two years if we want. The voting poll is where the power of the people is. People will vote based on how their life is at the time of the election. If people have jobs and money in 2012 Obama stands a good chance of getting re-elected. If there is still 10% unemployment and uncertainty then he will probably be packing his bags to go back to chicago.
        I must say it is totally discusting how hateful people have been. It seems the right has no ideas but knows everything is wrong. If you want me to vote against him in 2012 you better produce a canidate that tells me how they are going to fix it and not just point fingers at the guy that’s there now.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear kimmy barns,

        I’m glad you asked. I can only give you a nutshell answer here, but I invite you to read more articles on our site. There we go into greater detail. I would also direct you to the links I gave American liberal. You can also read some of Peter Schiff’s work on his blog http://peterschiffblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/iinstead-of-seeding-soil-for-real.html.

        In short, the government should have gotten out of the way. There were “panics,” as they were called, prior to the Great Depression. They were allowed to run their course and lasted only a short time. They serve a purpose: that is, weeding out inefficiencies and rewarding efficiencies. That means some businesses fail. Others step in to pick up the slack. Workers are laid off, then they are hired by other companies that are growing.

        The only real way out of our current situation is by cutting government spending, reducing taxes and eliminating the regulations on businesses. And the Federal Reserve must be eliminated. It creates the bubbles that lead to the recessions. I have written about this before. You can also read some of the books I recommend at http://www.personalliberty.com/suggested-reading/ to further your education. You mention the FDIC. It is programs like that, where entities can take risks but don’t have to suffer the consequences of failure (because of guaranteed government bailouts), that have helped push us to the brink.

        Just like Hoover’s and FDR’s policies in the Great Depression, Bush’s and Obama’s government interventionist policies now have and will prolong and deepen the recession. We are on an unsustainable path, and an economic crash is now almost a forgone conclusion.

        Be sure and check out my articles set to run the next two Mondays where I spell out the effects of government intervention in the economy.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • kimmy barns

        OK, so what can we do? Bush and Obama have done what they feel is right. I don’t believe either one is trying to crash the economy. There were many economist on the news back in 2008. Some were saying we have to do this, others said not to. How do you know who is right and who is wrong?
        The other thing, we can’t keep electing the same people over and over for Congress and expect different results can we? I have made up my mind I’m not voting for the incumbant senator or house member. My senator has been there for like 40 years, I think it’s time for him to move on. My congressman is nothing more than a yes man. howeverever the party leaders tell him to vote is how he votes. I look up his voting record on Congress.org and always votes with the party. So that means I’ll be voting for one Democrat and one Republican.
        These people on here are passionate but I don’t think they all quite get it. They try to place blame on the President or the dems or the republicans, whatever the case may be. but it takes congress to pass a bill and not just the President. The Republican party may be in the minority, but I feel they have been acting like sore losers ever since election day. Don’t tell me how bad things are now, I can figure that out on my own, tell me how you plan to fix it.
        I think it’s time we throw out the whole house and start over. I don’t know much about the races around the country but I’m hoping JD Hayworth wins the nomination in Arizona. I think it’s time Mr. McCain retires too. But I have no say in that race.

      • Anthony

        Thanks for that, Bob. Seriously!

        Kimmy -
        The first step to recovery as a Nation, is to either get rid of, or nationalize, THE FED. Ron Paul is not on the wrong side of this discussion. The 98% of the greed mongering politicians currently in Office are on the wrong side of not only the debate, but the people, as well.

        It’s no shock to me, that anyone business (bank?) associated with the FED is getting HUGE bailouts combined with HUGE BONUSES – they did what they were told and are now being paid off. If they don’t pay them off, what happens? You have a mass financial snitch on your hands… that’s what! Not even the FED could stop that, nor could any of the Rothschilds.

      • eyeswideopen

        Bob, DaveH, recommended that I read Milton Friedman, who stated there is no Austrian economics, only good economics and bad economics. I came across an article written by Mr. Caplan, which made a lot of sense, and totally refutes the Austrian ideology. Have you read this article? http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/whyaust.htm
        I have been searching for countries who use the Austrian concept and cannot find enough to make a comparison with our system. Could you please identify those countries for me? Thank you in advance.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear eyeswideopen,

        I would expect Friedman to say something like that. He is a monetarist and he and Bernanke believe the Fed didn’t inflate enough in the Great Depression. I haven’t yet read the article you linked for me, but I will when I have time to get to it. Thanks. To your questions about which countries subscribe to Austrian theory I wanted to be sure I got the answer completely correct, so I went to the horse’s mouth, http://www.mises.org. Here is the response I received from Floy Lilly, a faculty member at Mises Institute:

        “This is easy to reply to; no government subscribes to Austrian School economics. They wish we did not exist. They elevated Keynes because he tells them what they want to hear, which is spend, spend, spend.

        This is perfectly rational to them since the Austrian School does not endorse government intervention into markets or designed inflation and fraudulent fractional reserve banking systems.

        You have caught me at a time when I have just put the Austrian Business Cycle Theory into one thousand words. This, plus Lew Rockwell’s great article on why Austrian economics matter should help inform you.

        But, there are heroic efforts to subdue the spending appetites of the state. After the wall fell in Eastern Europe, the first president of Estonia was an Austrian-schooled man who greatly reduced the burden of the state. They prospered. I have also written of New Zealand’s heroic slashing of their old smothering state which was Austrian inspired. Lew said today is is going to re-run that article.

        In the USA, only Congressman Ron Paul is of the Austrian School.

        In LRC today, Lew wrote of the heroic establishment of a Mises Institute in Brazil. He and others just returned from their debut. But, Brazil’s government is still light years away from an economic system helpful to real people.”

        The 1,000-word article was included in the email (it is excellent, by the way) but is not available on Mises.org as of this morning. You will probably be able to find it there in a couple of days.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • DaveH

        Every economist in the country says that, AL? Talk about trashing your own credibility. Credibility and Liberalism are like oil and water.

  • Judie
  • American liberal

    Be patient… It will take time to get the unemployment rate down…and the economic report on hiring says more companys plan to hire than companys plan to downsize…

    • s c

      That’s what the Germans said about Hitler. Give the guy a chance. Let’s see what happens. What could possibly go wrong? All he wants is a piece of this and a piece of that.
      Why, with the ‘new’ technology on the horizon, he can turn things around. Now that the government is taking over major industries, things will be done “right.” We’ll have full employment, too. If people would just back off and give him a few years, life will be beautiful. He’ll make this country great again.
      Yep, AmLib. Things are really looking better. And it’s getting ‘better’ every day. Kinda makes you want to stand up, click your boots and salute, eh?
      How long will it be before America can look forward to adoring crowds screaming out in ecstasy those
      thrilling, country-loving words known as Sieg Heil?
      It makes me want to cry. How about you?

      • JeffH

        Oh, that unemployment thingy…unemployment is up slightly from Feb figures, but up.
        Today’s report from the Labor Department showed that government payrolls increased by 39,000 in March. State and local governments reduced employment by 9,000 during the month, while the federal government added 48,000.

        The so-called underemployment rate — which includes part- time workers who’d prefer a full-time position and people who want work but have given up looking — increased to 16.9 percent from 16.8 percent.

        Read more: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economics/Unemployment-Rate.aspx?Symbol=USD#ixzz0lCBfktMg

      • Normal Guy

        Sc

        Is that what Germans said? Show me, when did they say that. Was it during Aryan supremacy speeches, Jewish conspiracy speeches, maybe just fiction from s c the twenty-first century right winger? Actually the punitive nature of The Treaty of Versailles, the global depression, the propaganda machine blaming the Jews and communists/Marxists for the problems of the country (the use of scapegoats, someone to blame)and the massive government spending on infrastructure and the military that had Germans working made Hitler quite popular. As I have said before, Hitler is a lot closer to the ultra conservatives than to Obama.

        Here is one that Hitler said about Fox News:
        “All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.”
        Adolf Hitler

        And here is one talking about the people of America in 2010 – living in the greatest nation in the history of the world thinking that they should engage in treasonous revolution:

        “By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.”
        Adolf Hitler

        Here is Hitler’s comment on Obama’s Healthcare, hey he agrees with you libertarian teabaggers – what a surprise.

        “Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice”
        Adolf Hitler

      • DaveH

        You’ve given a very good description of the MSM and the Hoping and Dreaming Liberals.

      • coal miner

        Normal Guy,

        Well said.You are a true student of history.I wish old Jim Bob hadn’t left the web site.This guy had them all heading for the hills.Keep up the good work.

  • JPW-

    I’m not much into the idea of bailouts for banks and auto company’s but historically speaking if it werenot for the ability of the auto makers to turn their industry around for the manufacture of war matterial.Such as planes tanks jeeps etc during WW2 we would probably be speaking German now.The auto industry is one industry we cannot afford to lose for national security.President Obama was right on this on.

    • American liberal

      Jpw… I agree.. I don’t think many of us liked the bailouts …what I hate the most is seeing companys that failed and were bailedout giving CEOs multi million dollar bonuses… I’ll never get that… I’ve always thought a bonuse was for people that had sucess… I don’t remember when president Obama wanted to put a cap on those bonuses the Republicans had a fit…and said goverment had no business being involved in bonuses… This was after the fact that the goverment was already involved in bailingout these same companys…. I’d have no problem with the goverment saying No! To these bonuses…is that really socialism or common sense?

      • George E

        It’s tyranny. The government has no business telling a private company how to run its business. That’s the job of its owners.

      • Sally S.

        It’s owners are the stock holders and the Tax payers of the USA now own part of it. Why would you now want your own company fail? Obama doesn’t own it, The tax payers own it.

      • s c

        [Comrade?] Sally, about half of Obummer’s ideas come straight from Lenin and Marx. He would have made a good Bolshevik. If only it was possible to send some people back in time so they could live up to their ‘full potential.’
        It makes me wonder if you have kids and you’re (somehow) looking forward to America being a new “worker’s paradise.”

      • JeffH

        s c, half? I would surmise a much higher percentage.

  • American liberal

    Good economic news huh…it’s a start after the Obama administration was handed the worse recession since the 1930′s….great job Mr. President… Now if we can just keep the racist and bigots from messing this up

    • George E

      Hopefully, the American economy is resilient enough to rebound somewhat in spite of all the anti-capitalist crap our government is laying on it. Even if it does, however, it won’t be as robust as it could be if the government would just get out of the way.

    • JB

      “Racists and bigots”? In typical liberal fashion, you just couldn’t help yourself, could you? Pitiful.

      • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

        Same Old Excuse!!!!!!!!! They Will Live And Die By It!!!!!!!!

    • DaveH

      American Liberal,
      If you’re representative of Liberals, they are indeed hopeless. I heard more intelligent comments from my 13 year old buddies when I was in Junior High.

  • American liberal

    Bernanke also said fears the economy would slip back into recession have receded…..

  • American liberal

    Federal reserve chairman , Ben Bernanke said yesterday the rebound seems sustainable and inflation is invisible as businesses boosted stockpiles due to consumer spending and demand….

  • American liberal

    associated Press:… Jp Morgans q1 profits 3.3 billion dollars

    • Anthony

      Geesh, what a maroon. JP Morgan is one of the Founders of the Central Bank – The Federal Reserve. You actually have NO IDEA what you talk about. Go read: The Creature From Jekyll Island – if you dare.

  • American liberal

    Associated press: Shoppers, Companies feeling optimistic ….. Today’s business news

  • American liberal

    OF course you don’t like hearing the facts on Bush…. And the fact is , is that he left a disaster for the next president to deal with… What president Obamas had to deal with is a result of Neo conservative policy… If President Obama can’t fix this mess are you telling me you’re not going to point this out if your candidate should be elected??.. You really need to stop lying…a skunks sprey can leave a smell for weeks… And the current administration is dealing with the smell that the Skunk left… I’ve had to listen to how wonderful you righty thought Reagan was… You can’t listen to a rightwing politician without hearing about Reagan and his shining light on a hill nonsense….

    • JC

      I already know the facts on Bush and I’m not quite as unimpressed with him as I am amazed at your short sightedness or your small mindedness.

      • American liberal

        Jc… You’re like the baseball fan that blames the relief pitcher that has to come into the game after the starter gave up 10 runs and loaded the bases…

      • JC

        Except in this case the relief catcher showed up insanely drunk and incompetent from a country in Afica and he works for the other side.

      • George E

        And don’t forget, he’s buying off the refs, telling the fans he’ll give them free snacks, and making up the rules as the game progresses….

      • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

        Your So Full Of Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah!!!!!!!! I Can’t Believe You Can Live With Your Self!!!!!!!!!!

      • Doc Sarvis

        And here is another one who thinks that using multiple exclamation points actually makes a point.

      • denniso

        J C…there’s no such term as ‘relief catcher’ in baseball. It’s ‘relief pitcher’. And, if memory serves me it was Bush wh had the drinking problem,as well as cocaine. You still want to smear the guy trying to fix the country,don’t you? You can’t resist,even though you ar dead wrong.

      • JC

        denniso how THICK can you be…I am going after the damned system and right now we have an illegal African runnning it and running the country into the ground…there’s no time to worry about the past.
        This sack of…is taking us down all at once “right now”

      • DaveH

        Obama is going to fall flat on his face just as Jimmy Carter did. The starry-eyed Liberal Socialism just doesn’t work. The only ones who benefit are the Liberal leaders. They play the rest of the Liberals like the fools they are. No government has ever been able to guarantee the citizens happiness. They must get off their lazy rears and make their own happiness.
        And talk about trite, Liberals, the Bush blame thing was old a year ago. You guys are as boring as you are ignorant.

    • DaveH

      Bush was an American Liberal also. He just practiced his Big Government growth as a Republican.

      • Ideb

        The Republicans are also to blame, in their rush to appease voters they relinquished their beliefs. They are as much to ble as the Dems.
        Get back to the Constitution and nothing but.

      • Anthony

        Well said. I always thought it suspicious that he was Governor over a Democrat Congress in Texas and seemed to get along with that side better than he did his own.

  • john smith

    Go Ron Paul get rid of marxist bama, Irs and federal reserve

    • JC

      John, a recent Rasmussen poll that pit Ron Paul against His Hopiness as the two candidates for President in 2012 was a dead heat with RP at 41% and BHO at 42%. The winds are shifting…

      • Anthony

        JC -
        These POLLS everyone keeps citing, are just tools to keep people off-kilter. All you have to do is stop at the local pub to understand where most have their heads and hearts. The CFR went about buying up the Media starting back in the Fifties. Has anyone ever been privy to the Questions in these Polls as they cite the numbers on the Teleprompter Shows? Curiously, they never show the actual questions, do they….(?) Have you checked to see how hard it is to take a said POLL that is being cited, so you can at least pretend to participate? Ever wonder, why is that?

        All you really need to do is watch the market place and stop to have a beer now and again, to speak with the real folks out there – and not have total BS shoved at ya all day long. The Teleprompter Readers work only for THE FED – they only care about who controls the money. And, that includes FOXNEWS, who wqere cited (in one of your polls) as actually having a 70% employee base that preferred to be thought of as LIBERAL. I’m not sure I buy into any Poll. What I do see, is the Left and Right are working real hard to shove Libertarianism out the door, no longer allowed for consumption.

        Tell me – what do you see?

    • DaveH

      Watch John Stossel on Fox Business News. He is doing an excellent job explaining why Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.

      • JeffH

        I really like Stossel and his Libertarian views, unfortunately my cable package doesn’t allow me to watch FOX business anymore, so I have to catch as catch can. I’m also starting to watch more of Ron Paul when I can.

      • DaveH

        Time to switch Cable services, Jeff.

      • JeffH

        Just a matter of spending a few dollars a month more. I’ve been contemplating it.

  • JC

    “Income Tax” was brought in under very dubious circumstances in the first place. It should be abolished altogether along with the Fed itself.

  • thefedupamerican

    AL is just doing his knee-jerk blame Bush routine. Jobs and the economy aren’t recovering because every business and every citizen is waiting for Obama to drop the other shoe…he’s the most anti-business, anti-free market, anti-American president in memory. Sorry AL, that Bush isn’t to blame for Obama’s extreme leftist policies. http://www.thefedupamerican.com

    • JeffH

      thefedupamerican, AL is just doing his job. He’s not here to argue, debate, or even make a point. His sole purpose for being here is to disrupt any and all “conservative” website discussions.

      • Anthony

        Jeff – No offense here, but I would have called it “fiscally responsible” discussion(s), not just conservative which in this day and age, thanks to the manipulative Press somehow now relates to Repubicans only.

  • American liberal

    Bushs tax cuts to the rich during a time of war are a big reason this economy tanked…. You are aware the tax cuts are still in place till 2011?.. So why didn’t they accomplish all the wonderful things you claim?…

    • American liberal

      What this artical should have said is… This is what happens everytime you have a greedy republican administration..

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And it seems, everytime you have a pacifist appeasing democrat in office, every working man gets his taxes raised so that the lazy drunks and drug addicts that dont want to work, can collect more handouts from social agencies, so that the dems can keep them dependant on them, and keep their uneducated votes. Or in the case of GM and Chrysler, they can just throw a couple billions of our tax dollars to them, and buy their future votes. Either way, they are using our hard earned tax dollars, to buy votes with. There isnt no if’s, and’s, or butt’s about it. They are buying votes. However, the game is over. They are all leaving in 2010 and 2012. Watch and see. 0-3 so far. They really screwed up this time, putting an unqualified, untested, uninformed, and un-American into the office. I thought Slick Willy was bad, but this guy takes the cake. Inneptitude at its worst ever.

      • Judie

        Obama has done more harm to this country than all the bad presidents combined. Take your liberal head our of your proverbial dark spot and you would see that. But, alas, you are probably one of those that attended a liberal college and have been squarely indoctrinated by the socialist/liberal professors. Well, they have done their job well with you. His trampling of the Constitution alone would make any real American cry! If you enjoy that idea of living in a country that is run by socialists, thus communist why not simply just move to Greece? Socialism is working quite well for them it appears. Leave our capitalistic America alone. . . and take Obama, Reid & Pelosi with you….. please…. GO…. NOW!!!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I dont know what your thinking, but I do know that when Bush instituted his tax cuts, the small business I work for, hired 30 more guys. We went from a work force of 65 to a workforce of 95. Id then looking at the reality of the situation, noting that it factually gave 30 more guys jobs, who were now paying federal, state, and local taxes, and who were out in the general public spending money on cars, houses, furniture, clothes, groceries and everything else, that the facts say this was a good thing. Lambast it if you want, but I see results here that say it was a good thing. However, since election time, and all the business’s know these tax cuts are coming to an end, and that their taxes are going up, sad to say over half of these guys have lost their jobs, and once the tax cuts are repealed, millions more nation wide will be losing their jobs. So dont tell me tax cuts didnt benefit the working class. Ive seen it everyday that it did benefit us working stiffs. But then again, I dont deal in political agendas, I deal in the truth, whether I like it or not. I did not like the way the Bush admin didnt reign in their spending, and I willingly said so. But the truth is, his tax cuts benefitted the working man, as I seen it with my own two eyes everyday, so no one is going to tell me otherwise. One cannot change the truth, as much as one might like to.

      • American liberal

        bottomline… The tax cuts didn’t work….and President Clintons tax code work far better… 22 million job were created…so that kills your argument….this country did far better when the burden wasn’t just on the middle class…. You can research this yourself…. The top 2% have never made as much wealth as they’ve made during the last 8 years” never”… While the middle class wealth has declined and wages have declined….,what your telling me doesn’t translate into a benifit for the American worker…..wages down…cost of living is up…. Their has been a transfer of wealth in this country, but the transfer has been to the most wealthy …. In other words you’ve been giving your money to the rich… I’m ok with Clintons tax rate … It worked..the tax cuts to the rich have worked?.. And hiring?.., 22 million jobs created during Clintons presidency…. 700,000 jobs a month were lost after 2006…, it wasn’t democrat policy that lost those jobs…I know your going to try and say it was the 2006?democrats but they were called the ” Do nothing congress ” by republicans for not passing any bills… And Bush had veto power …

      • American Citizen

        The government does not create jobs except in government. The private sector, if left alone, would solve the jobless situation. American Liberal, you need to take a good economics class.

      • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

        Yea He Is Crazy!!!!!!!!!!!! I Don’t Believe He Has A Clue!!!!!!!!

      • JeffH

        To me, this statement says a lot about the frustrations Americans have with government overspending money that just isn’t there to spend.

        “If every dollar spent by government came immediately out of taxpayers’ wallets, politicians would find it impossible to fund their vast pork-barrel spending programs.”

      • denniso

        Isn’t it great…8 yrs of Bush,6 yrs of the Repub congress,one totally unnecessary war unfinished,another war unfinished after 7 yrs,a trillion $ drug benefit plan,a trillion $ tax cut for the wealthiest among us, an economic collapse in Bush’s last yr…and all the rightwing can do is demonize Obama and blame him for what developed from 2001 until 2009. I think it’s pretty obvious that the hate and blame is the result of the rightwing not wanting to admit that their guy and party screwed everything up so badly…so they divert the anger and attention to the man elected to clean up the mess.
        Is Obama perfect? No…is he trying hard to fix things and salvage our economy? Yes.
        Be honest rightwingers,you are livid that georgie made such a mess but you can’t bring yourselves to blame him because you are party loyalists.

      • JeffH

        dennisso…control yourself. Naw, keep the rant chant going. I don’t know what I said to set you off like that. I didn’t even mention Obama, liberal, Marxist/Socialist or Democrat once.

        Stupid is as stupid does

      • Anthony

        Denniso-
        It wasn’t 6 years of republican Control in Congress during the Bush Years.

        For the first two years in Office, he had Tommy Daschle to deal with.
        For the last two years in Office he had Harry Reid to deal with.

        Get your facts straight. And, Berberoni is more correct than you have the guts or intelligence to see. Specifically, you are just repeating whatever Keith Olbermann rants about on NBC.

        If a tax cut allows a small or medium size business to hire THIRTY (30) more employees, then that is a great thing. It’s NOT a bad thing.

        Clinton had to deal with a Republican Congress for his middle four years – and the Contract with America did get Businesses back on track, after the entire Nation started to hunker down with ol’ Slick Willy’s “retro”active tax hike. One day you have your taxes paid, then Bill Clinton comes along the next day and you owe BACK TAXES…. Your logic has holes all over it.

        The bottom line – is that the Central Bank is who controls the money supply – not Congress. That part is the whole act. If they did it any other way, we would be the Soviet Union, for real.

        You give back control of the money to Congress, as stated in the Consitution, we will work our way out of debt and become the most prosperous Nation there ever was. As long as we don’t have to pay interest on our own money, we can pay off our own debts. We then end up with a surplus which can be used to take care of the needy, with the People’s permission. Not “forced” as we are now. Any discussion to the opposite is sophistry.

    • JC

      Bush this, Bush that…blah blah blah…
      When will you realize the problem is systemic?
      Oh yeah that’s right your a paid shill repeating your mantra like a broken record.

    • American conservative

      American liberal, obviously you have a problem with reading comprehension. The article is not about tax cuts or increases as much as it is about spending. And no President and Congress has spent nearly as much as this one. Spending is at the root of many of the bubbles that we have had that have since burst and caused the problems that we are currently experiencing. Until this government, both Democrats and Republicans, gets a handle on spending, we will not see a recovery. You can spin reports about unemployment numbers and inflation all you want, but a sustainable recovery will not occur as long as spending continues to go up.

    • JB

      Go out and try to make a living with your OWN money instead of someone else’s for a change. Maybe even put a few people to work by creating jobs for them. Once you try that and see what you’re up against, then you will change your liberal tune and get pissed too!

    • sam

      Maybe because of the war we are still paying for and that Obama said he would leave. Or maybe because of the Prescription drug program Bush that came during Bush. Or maybe because we bailed out Goldman Sachs, etc. Read the article! There is no tax cut if the government is increasing spending!

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