Precisely. The government has no legitimate business in gun registration. None.

Nano wit ,
you speak of polio. If it happens to flair up, the costs will be horrendous. There were people that didn’t come down with it as their lineage had some natural immunity to it. We will not even have that as we will have no immunity to it! how many will die or be crippled before they get a good enough supply to treat everybody??? Same with Chicken pox. many had less than a bad fever and a few pock marks after it was over. Now they want to vaccinate every kid against it> What do you think is going to happen a couple of generations from now when someone happens to come here from Europe and is “hot”? Just like with the native Americans, people will DIE from lack of immunity!!!

Joe H.
Please, for your own safety get over the idea that these infectious
“bugs” are so devastatingly virulent. They aren’t if your defenses are strong. You can not get sick all the time if your immune system, nervous system, skin, liver and blood purification functions are strong. All of that you can take care of yourself with non-costly, simple self care: nutritional supplements and raw foods, self hygiene,
clean air and home, massage, body detoxification, attitude and expectation to be healthy. You have been sold the idea to fear ‘germs’, on purpose. Fear and stress are emotions that ruin the immune system’s ability to respond when you need it.
Do it. If you don’t ObamaCare will do you. This is the only health “right” you have, that you can tend your own health. It is the only health “right” in town.

Mike,
Even the native Americans died from small pox and I don’t think there were a healthier living group than them. They had no natural immunity to it!! We are raising a generation of kids that have no immunities to even dirt! I don’t use anti-bacterial products as I don’t believe they help a bit, in fact they make us non-immune to all sorts of bacterial infections! I don’t get the flu vaccine and when the hospital wouldn’t supply anyone to sit with my handicapped kid with the h1n1 flu I sat with him for a week straight!! never even got a case of the sniffles! As for Obummer care, stick that where the sun don’t shine!!!

First of all Am Glib, you’re wrong. You should read up on the vaccination literature before you open your big bazoo. If there were any pretense of wiping out those infections we wouldn’t still be vaccinating, would we? Back in the eighties the idea was promulgated that small pox had been eradicated. Then there was a flare up in the Southwest. OOPS! Not eradicated. In fact, it’s more likely at the present pace antibiotic resistance occurs the bugs will eradicate us. At any rate those of “us” who listen to MD’s who say they can keep
“us” “safe”. (Dr’s like Dr. Wiley who writes for Bob Livingston excepted.)

Vaccines, as presently used, are only ruining the immune systems of young and old. It is a lie that vaccines were the great health leap that knocked out whooping cough and tetanus. It was the introduction of hygiene, sewer systems, clean water and healthier foods. Am Glib you’re using a lie to bolster weak logic and a bad arguement – as usual.

You’re absolutely right, what if there was no healthcare system to begin with? We’d all be going to herbal practitioners, midwives, etc. Knowledge builds on knowledge which is why we have such a great healthcare system and it keeps on getting better. There are ways to help those who cannot help themselves as some states are doing, but to force me to pay for someone else’s healthcare is just plain wrong. To begin with, the only money the government has is to steal it from the citizens. User fees would be a better way to go in most instances.

Time – be careful agreeing with this delinquent.

Am GLib, the way you wrote your pussedy post you make it seem you have rights that declare it your personal responsibility to infringe on areas of our personal responsibilities. You see yourself as a good deal more human than us because of your exalted position as the declarer of what is right and wrong. God did that a long time ago and He never relinquished His authority to you.

I don’t give a damn who you think you are or represent. Father, clarify it to this person with certainty he comprehends.

Very good points Mike

Nano Wit,
Yes I will would you like me to bring one for you too?
What do you like for such events ham and cheese?
How about a nice bloody Stake Samich, with grilled Opinions
and Cheese?

TIME – Ah-heet, ah-he-he-heet, ah-h luvit!!! too-oo much! I got diaphragm spasms.
But, doncha’ know, Am Glib prefers a bleedin’ heart samich for growled Opinions with sleaze, complementing his cheesey posts sluiced dowm with a slug of pinot abatoir.

Mike,
great reply, we do have something in common afterall.

Thanx, Obi. Glad to hear that there’s hope for us afterall. I like a lot of your posts, too. Now,…let’s go drag a $50.00 bill past a politician’s office and see what follows us home.

Mike In MI,
You WANT a politician to follow you home?!?!?!?! Hell man, you could do that with a fin and save money!!!!

Probably an “interpretation” of the general welfare clause.
Intepretations of a fairly straight forward document are directly responsible for mess we now enjoy. And an illegal President is merely the icing on the cake.

Obiwan – You really ought to check that factoid about Jesus.

Jesus Christ was the ultimate conservative. His whole earthly ministry was spent trying to get the Hebrew people to see that they needed to get back to their original documents…Moses’ (God’s) Law. He referred to It constantly in answer to the stupid liberal theology of the scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees. He said he didn’t come to tear down the Law. He came to set it back in its proper place and fulfill It. Had they listenned to him Titus and Rome’s army would have been unable to take Jerusalem in 70 A.D. The world would be a whole lot different than it is today. But, the Hebrew le

Hebrew leaders would have had to relinquish their illegitimate laws and hegemony. They’d have been deposed and, had Jesus’ claims been acknowledged (they knew beyond a shadow of doubt who he was), his coronation would have ensued.

But God, knowing their perfidy, set up something better to follow after the ressurrection. Paul the Apostle wrote God’s new system down and It’s called the New Testament. None (Few) of the present day churches, like the scribes and Pharisees and Sadducees of that day, teach or do what God helped Paul to establish. That’s why you don’t see the sorts of things happening today that happened in the First Century. Religious people can not make God do what we want Him to do.

But, where people line up their minds with what God instructed then all kinds of wonders happen. Jesus was definitely not a liberal. That’s why God raised him from the dead.

You Libs are worried about the wrong people. You would not let law abiding people have weapons, but it’s OK for the criminals to have them. The criminals don’t worry about laws anyway, that’s why they’re criminals. There have been many instances where if some law-abiding citizen had been carrying a weapon, the criminal could have been taken out before doing so much damage. I think of the woman in Texas who saw her parents killed in front of her eyes while she had to keep her gun in the glove compartment of her car instead of her purse because of a stupid Texas law.

Mike,
Mis-label and mis-interpret anything you like if it makes you happy.
You’ve obviously been indoctrinated into a specific way of thinking since childhood and you and I will never agree on anything.
Know that a Jew would never convert to Christianity. That would be a step backward on the evolutionary scale and the equvilant to slumming.
Know that an Atheist contemptiously sneers and laughs at your obsessive perverted fantasies.

Its not a factiod, merely a sarcastic opinion from someone who has witnessed “Christian Tolerance” and knows its an oxymoron.

obiwan – Izzat so? OK, actually I spent many years being a very committed, religious and even “evangelistic” atheist. I was good and I could make most of the churchy people who engaged me back-up, back- down and re-examine what they thought they knew. I’d been taught it was all legends, hearsay, imaginations and worse. Then, some things happenned that I couldn’t explain in the war zone they sent me to. War zones are notorious for producing phenomena that “scientific types” have no preparation, expectation of or ability to account for. Nobody I asked among the involved, well educated and scientifically adept individuals could answer it. They even seemed unwilling to even think about it ’cause they seemed to be afraid of what it might do to their tidy, neat, compacted views of life. Chasing down the answer meant examining the world from a “somewhat” different aspect than I had learned in schools. Frankly, I didn’t want Christianity or the Bible to have anything to do with it. The transition was not graceful.

I now have about 38 years of in-depth physical and spiritual study and application behind me. I’m not afraid to say what I know and can prove if someone is willing to accept that God might know what He’s talking about and can relate that to what He created…us.

I challenge you, if you like being right and having some integrity to your life, study and prove me wrong — if you can. I could show you just from logic that you should be more cautious when you say things about the Bible. You might have toilet paper hanging out of your drawers.

Start with the Torah. Read the real 1st Bible in its original form,
before all of the bad translations.

obiwan – “read the Torah, first”…?
Why? God told the Hebrews via Moses and the other prophets that if they didn’t pay attention to The Prophet, His Anointed, the one who proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was who he claimed to be when he [Jesus, The Christ] came He, God, would disown the children of Israel and diaspora them to the winds. Which He did starting in 70 A.D. to this very day. When they abandonned Him and killed The Prophet He sent He had to do what He said He would do – it was his promise if they rebelled. He figured they would, so He told Israel what they had was conditional. Read all the “IFs” in it. They reneged and rebelled, not Him.

Then He set up His new system of things – the New Testament – which It says will be in full force (all of It) until Christ Jesus’ second coming. (By the way, Obama ain’t him and anybody on earth when he returns will not be looking forward to what [who] is Comin’ Down.)

Mike, Super points.

We will know the real SON when he shows up, that is anyone who has a “good open HEART & Mind” will know him.

Then the POSERS will have no more questions, but saddly if what has been written comes to pass – the POSERS and LOOSERS will not be in the happy house.

Anything after the first five books is fantasy and bullshit.
Drink some more koolaide

Vader is Lukes father and Joe never did throw himself into the volcano
but Frodo did throw the ring into the fire so all is right with the world.
Roughly 80% of the world is not christian. Thats some up-hill battle.

Obiwan,
no like a good liberal frodo depended on someone else to put the ring in the volcano. Gollum bit off his finger and fell in the volcano!!!

obiwan — My friend, what you said about the Bible being bullcrap is basically how I felt as a practicing atheist until I challenged God, on the basis of His Word, to see if He had any integrity or not. If He has integrity, so does His Word. If not then the hell with everything. What’s the use of living if we only have 70 years and then oblivion? Might as well just die.

I know I take “guns” more seriously that that!

JC,
What about us conservatives that (GASP!) don’t drink???? I quit the day my son was born, 28 years ago this may!!!

That’s exactly right. For crying out loud, if these people were’nt so damnd afraid of the truth, they would look up the second ammendment and read it instead of telling us what they THINK it says. Whackadoodles….my word…what language is that?

Independent, The Second Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights, which are restrictive clauses that apply exclusively to the federal government. Just as the First Amendment starts with “Congress shall make no law” so the rest of the amendments apply. Rights are not dependent on any document for their existence, Americans had all their rights before they created the federal government.

In the original Constitution (1789), the powers that were delegated to Congress (Article I, Section 8) made no mention of rights, and about half of the Founders believed that would suffice to prevent the new federal government from legislating over rights. However, others thought future congresses might misconstrue those powers, to include rights, and insisted upon adding a Bill of Rights (in 1791). The Preamble to the Bill of Rights reads:

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added.

Thus the stated purpose for the Bill of Rights was to add “restrictive clauses” “in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers” with respect to rights, where ‘its powers’ referred to the federal government. The Second Amendment reads:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Viewing the Second Amendment out of its Bill of Rights’ context has misled many to misconstrue its “shall not be infringed” as a proclamation to all governments, including state legislatures as well as Congress. But, just as the First Amendment’s “Congress shall make no law,” obviously applies exclusively to the federal government, so also does the Second Amendment.

In Barron v. Baltimore, 32 U.S. 243, 247 (1833), Mr. Chief Justice Marshall said: “The [U.S.] constitution was ordained and established by the people of the United States for themselves, for their own government, and not for the government of the individual states…the fifth amendment must be understood as restraining the power of the general government, not as applicable to the states.”
In United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 553 (1875), a mob of whites had disarmed two blacks (in Louisiana) and the issue was whether that action had violated the Second Amendment right of the blacks. Mr. Chief Justice Waite said: “This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress. This is one of the amendments that has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government.”
In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. ____ (2008), the U.S. Supreme Court said: “We consider whether a District of Columbia prohibition on the possession of usable handguns in the home violates the Second Amendment of the Constitution.” After meticulous analysis of every word and clause in the amendment, the Heller Court stated: “In sum, we hold that the District’s ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense.”

Just remember that that decision involved an ordinance of a territory (the District of Columbia), which falls under federal jurisdiction, it has no effect within the States. The Heller Court cited Barron, Cruikshank and other High Court decisions as precedents.
Stated otherwise no State law has ever been held violative of the Second Amendment. In McDonald v. Chicago, the case now before the High Court, the issue is whether a state’s city ordinance, which prohibits handgun possession in a certain area, has violated the Second Amendment. Based upon previous High Court decision, it obviously does not, but whether it violates the “liberty…without due process of law” clause, of the Fourteenth Amendment remains to be seen.

Independent & Alan Clark, your statements that “only the Federal Government and Territories [would] have Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly etc;” and “read it instead of telling us what they THINK it says,” reflect a belief that the Second Amendment IS the right to bear arms. That misunderstanding started when the NRA, CCRKBA, SAF and other groups started using “Second Amendment Right,” instead of “the right to bear arms.” It was a convenient way to refer to the right, but it led to the belief that the amendment was the right, and thus the amendment must apply to the states, or citizens, there, wouldn’t have the right. Or contra-wise, since State citizens have the right, the Second Amendment obviously applied to the States.
Not so. The Bill of Rights is not the source of our rights. It is rather a Bill of Restrictions against federal law concerning rights. It begins with “Congress shall make no law…respecting…or abridging” the five rights mentioned therein. If one finds himself ignoring those first five words in the Bill of Rights, and viewing the Second Amendment separately, he has been misled. My above legal brief proves that.

Obiwan, calling someone a wackadoodle is not at all bad. There are more specific and exact terms, but wackadoodle is fine. So is moonbat.
At the same time, while some of the more vocal
wackadoodles/moonbats/airheads on this website are so ‘concerned’ about so-called rightwing ‘Christians,’ I’m very concerned about atheists, socialists, communists and assorted nation-destroyers who infest Washington. They have mixed MENTAL ILLNESS with POWER for so long that the combination is a DRUG. And, they do love staying in office for decades at a time. I’ll take my chances with a rightwing Christian. It’s the basket cases on the other side of the aisle who have to be watched – especially when they HATE the Second Amendment (but they claim to have a use for it).

s c,
If you leave Atheists out of your mix I’ll agree with you. Atheism is not mutually inclusive with the political ideologies you’ve mentioned. Religious or Atheist is an entirely different thread and one that will never be resolved because of the emotional attachments
people have to their viewpoints. We all “KNOW” that we’re right and there’s only one conclusive way to find out if we are. I can wait
a few years longer for that.

But Nano Wit, – Don’t you have many guns as per your own words?

If your not Postal bound – than I would fail to worry about anyone else, as you have displayed time after time on countless threads your out right Vitriol.

My friend “American Liberal”,

My example makes the case for why we have the right to Keep and Bear Arms. To protect ourselves and to defend our other rights. When the mentally ill or criminally insane determine to violate the rights of another, you would negotiate a surrender while we would make them fight for it.

If you have so much confidence in leaving your security to others, put your money where your mouth is and leave your home unlocked and unguarded but, as you say, you own guns. So it’s just the rights of others you want to be trampled!

Recognize this, men of valor have fought and died defending your right to speak like a fool. I can see you now, driving your SUV to a global warming conference on banning SUVs. That’s truly the Liberal mindset indeed!

AmLib,
If you outlawed guns competely, it wouldn’t affect the crime rate one wit! The criminal element very seldom uses a legally obtained weapon. They usually go to the sorner street “market”!!!

James you are so RIGHT, sorry Celia if you lost a loved one at Ft.Hood you would understand.

amlibe is a know account, who likes and finds his ejoyment in showing off!

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!

Barack Obama’s gun control policy, or should I write anti-gun record is long and informative:

* 1994 to 2001 – Obama was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. This foundation is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the country.
* 1996 – Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
* 1999 – Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. This tax would effectively punish gun owners for buying guns and ammunition.
* 2003 – Obama voted in support of legislation that would have banned privately owned hunting shotguns, target rifles and black powder rifles in Illinois.
* 2004 – Obama voted against legislation intended to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.

Based on his voting record in the Illinois state senate and in the U.S. Senate, President Barack Obama will be the most anti-Second Amendment president in the history of America.

That Obama will sign any anti-gun bill that gets to his desk is a certainty. But what can gun owners expect from the new Congress? His party’s large gains in the Congress give the President more room to maneuver with a radical agenda.

Agree – WATCH OUR RIGHTS, they (know-it-alls) want to CONTROL US. We have a brain, KNOW how to use it and BELIEVE in FREEDOM!!

Hillary Clinton Commits To UN Small Arms Treaty.
With willing one-world accomplices in Washington, D.C., gun-grabbers around the globe believe they have it made.

In fact, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton just announced the Obama Administration would be working hand in glove with the UN to pass a new “Small Arms Treaty.”

Disguised as legislation to help in the fight against “terrorism,” “insurgency” and “international crime syndicates,” the UN Small Arms Treaty is nothing more than a massive, GLOBAL gun control scheme.

Ultimately, the UN’s Small Arms Treaty is designed to register, ban and CONFISCATE firearms owned by private citizens like YOU.

yes it is Jeff. So register nothing.

Your Crazy!!!!!!!

Dr.D.
I second your vote. Meet one of the residents that is beyond crazy thats why he is NOW – A Nano Wit.

But again when one thinks with thier blubbery backside unit – rather than a head bound unit with gray matter with massive folds, the results are obvious.

The medical term is called – {Hollowwoodie digbata buffoon}
“this aliment blocks the basic concepts of common sense.”
These persons are also full of hate and Vitriol,

TIME;
Out here in my part of the country, where the American Liberal nano wittless dude is afraid to enter, we call his kind ——. He is waaaay too short on neurons & synapses to be classified as anything else.

Censored word again.. A$$clowns is what we call liberals (words removed) where I live.
Why does that word get censored?

SO ANY BODY WHO DISAGREES WITH A LIBERAL IS UNHINGED?

Pat – I am a Liberal, and I find A Nano Wit to be non Liberal in every possible respect that the word Liberal brings to the table.

So you better understand what a “LIBERAL” is, a Liberal is someone who see’s all sides of an issue and can live with it in its most FREEDOM bound form.
That means that everything is fine as long as you can follow the simple rules of – “You treat everyone like you wish to be treated.”

How easy is that. The quasi Liberals who are NOT Liberals at all have made a bad name for those of us who not only love FREEDOM, we breath FREEDOM, and LOVE FREEDOM, we are true Liberals.

AL or Nano Wit, is a Marxist, and there is a major differance.

There are ZERO in the word liberal, that fit in the word Marxist.

A Marxist wants to controll your life in all its aspects by way of “Government controlls and laws” that restrict and confine one FREEDOMS, so that the mass’s feel safe from themselfs.

UnAmerican Liberal is worried about the Right Wing people with guns. When Herr Obama signs an Executive Order declaring himself Emperor for Life and tells everyone to turn in their guns, UnAm Lib will stand in line to give up his gun (assuming he really has one–you know how a liberal will lie to you). When that happens, it will be those Right Wing people with guns who pull his chestnuts out of the fire.

Mr America… You are whats wrong with our Country.

Your thinking is only criminals can have the guns. They don’t ask about back ground checks when they shoot up th neighbor hood!!!!!

liberals are criminals

DR. D,
These people have not given thought to how many crimes are commited with a legally obtained weapon! The crook either steals a gun or buys one on the corner street “market”!!

Brainn washed by Hollywood into thinking people with guns are natural born killers. Not so. Only criminals fall into that category.

Taking out Marxist Libtards left and right, trimming the usless fat, increasing the national average IQ and improving the gene pool with every shot.
Great idea for a video game, I’ll forward it to Rockstar.

Obiwan,
Great idea. We can use the game to practice for when the sch*t actually hits the fan. I recommend double “points” for the most egregious liberal socialist offenders such as Pelosi, Reid, O’Liar, O’Liars fat a$$ed wife Mike, and that liberal socialist sch*t wad who calls himself an “American” liberal, that always slimes his way in here and stinks up the place. You all know who I’m talkin about don’t you, lol

American Liberal like to “TROLL” these websites and disrupt anybody and anything. That is just his job. Ignore him and you will see some of the most outrageous comments.

And your problem is? Background checks are still required for purchase. If Gov. Jan Brewer, of whom I am a loyal supporter, signs this bill I will move to Arizona just so I can feel safe. The right of the people shall not be infringed. Just what part of that do you not understand. Perhaps you are more comfortable being a sheep in massa obamas flock. If so I invite you to live in England and live in fear.

Judges in this country are part of the problem!

stupid?? not really. i would much rather be around honest citizens with guns and not know it then also not know which crazy is going to start shooting. remember “luby’s” in texas? no gun’s allowed in resturants. opppss. i guess someone forgot to tell the shooter. too bad there hadnt been one honest citizen armed. oh well. at least some states are waking up. the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. the police come along later.

If there had been an “honest” citizen toting a gun in the Luby’s at the time of the masacre, one would have to hire a Medium in order to speak with them now, wouldn’t one?

God created man and woman, but Sam Colt made them equal. You can also say that for criminals and victims. And the worst possible situation of all would be for only governments to have guns.

Study the crime statistics for Vermont and Massachusetts to get some indication of whether “unrestricted concealed carry” makes the general public safer or more at risk of serious crime.

Wow Chess, that’s a genuinely hysterical reaction to a very good idea.
NOT KNOWING who has a gun is exactly the best possible way to deter criminals. And you’ll find that societies that allow gun ownership are very polite societies.

Right on! My uncle use to tell about the Near East and a person could leave a wheel Barrel full of money and rather than lose their hand – people would leave it alone. OUR worry is to WATCH the goverment greedies, control them!!

Chess you have got to be kidding right? DO you know when a criminal has a gun? outlaw guns and only the criminals will have them. I include the liberal government along with the criminals.

TroyDawg -
I like your thinking TroyD. Why not just put it “other criminals”?

Troy…check out HB 1388. This will bum you out. 20 million for Hamas to migrate to the US. More liberal BS. I just hope we can save our country before it’s to late.

Chess, you’re already putting words in benny basnight mouth Words that he didn’t say and a typical liberal manuever.
Wouldn’t you prefer to play “CHESS” on an equal level with a ceiminal? Criminals would prefer to cheat and play “CHESS” on an unequal level
I realize that you can’t understand that scenario and I certainly don’t expect you to agree. I can only hope that you could somehow see the logic.

Now, see? That’s where you’ve made the mistake. Liberals don’t really understand logic.
The difference between liberals and conservatives is that they only “feel” – conservatives “feels”, but, we don’t allow our feelings to inhibit/negate our “thinking.”

JeffH,
Can we please get this law in Ohio????? Please!!!!

I’m moving to Arizona…goodbye Cali…

I would like to see all these liberals and communists come out here to Arizona and try to live in the rural areas unarmed, with thousands of illegal aliens pouring over our borders every day. these people rob, rape, murder, kidnap etc. don’t the citizens have a right to protect themselves? the govt. won’t. the governors of the border states are calling for the citizens to arm themselves. Obama won’t do anything, Bush wouldn’t either. wait until Obama gives them amnesty, their debating that now. I can’t understand people denying anyone the right to defend themselves. 15- thousand people were murdered along the U.S.-Mexico border last year. if you don’t liked it move to Red China.

Al -
This post has been up on the site for quite a while now. I have held it on purpose. It is fabulously interesting that no libs bothered to make even a short stop here to comment in any direction. I guess it doesn’t merit their time because they would be required to use logic prior to making a reasonable comment.
Thanks for your submission. It has been very instructive.

What are you worried about. Remember this -an armed society is a polite society.

You don’t know who has a gun now dummy. One thing for sure the bad guys have them.