Try pulling the blinders off and looking at the bigger picture here.

JeffH – You know the thing that has always intrigued me about government’s inability to get to the bottom of the fraud barrel is that so much of it is artfully concealed and ignored. I know part of it is big time, highly connected clinics and professionals who have avenues of ingress to legislators.
I wonder how much of it is the bureaucrats who know how the billing system can be invaded for personnal enrichment? What is there to stop the government unions from skimming it for personnal gain and contributions to Obama. Then they could cover it with a cloak of officially enforced secrecy and refusal to open the books or respond to requests for information.

Mike In MI, I often believe it might just be that government jobs don’t have performance requirements other than the: show up and shut up, afterall, it’s not your money type of mentality!

You’re right. No tort reform. No public option and no price negotiations for the drugs. The healthcare law is the SOS, except now we are requied by law to pay for it.

AC, the liberals could care less about anything but securing a spot at the government trough. Businesses are run by capitalists and capitalists are their enemy.

JeffH -
I personnally like to think of it more in terms of the Host/parasite relationship. The parasites in Washington keep sucking more and more, constantly out of the private sector.

One of these days they’re going to suck that Percheron down to a chihuahua. Tell me, what happens to the parasite when it kills the host?

Typo.. “Right direction”

No, A.L., It was not a “typo” it was an accurate description of what is going to happen. It’s another step in the “tight” direction. If you think the situation we have now is constricted…just wait.

Big Government is like a 20 ft. boa constrictor. Once it gets what it wants it squeezes tighter and tighter until it quits resisting. Then, swallows it whole.

A government health system is not going to reduce the demand for services at all, or costs, or paperwork, or anything else you spoke of. It will reduce availability of care, quality of services, quality of providers, therapeutic choices, doctor discretion and applied art, scientific changes/innovation and ability of the system to quickly respond to immediate needs (like H1N1 flu) or alterations in the biosphere, ecosphere or technosphere. It will be a straight-jacket that feeds and maintains vested and entrenched interests that stifle evolving needs of society. It’s part of the bill and government corruption.

You need to be corrected. The nonsense is that too many Americans don’t recognize that there are thieves who steal from them by using government. Anyone who advocates socialism is a thief, plain and simple. They are evil, plain and simple. Just because they hide behind the facade of government, there is no moral justification provided. If one person steals from you that is wrong. If fifteen people steal from you, that is still wrong. If millions of people steal from you, that is still no different. Are you evil?

Naturalist, you have to remember that back in the late 40′s when we were having problems with Communist Americans, they kinda went underground and did some re-thinking. Now they are Socialist and have for 50 plus years infiltrated our educational system (seeding). Now they are reaping what they have sewn. To argue with the adult Socialist is a waste of time, try educating the young first.

I fear it’s too late. The sleazeballs took over public education and the universities in the late ’60s and early ’70s and used it for their own long range left wing propaganda machine.

Robert Wayne -

Yes Sir, you have that A-1 100% right. Lots of our kids have been stultified and saturated in the dregs of the sewage plant settling pond ideotology of (RETRO-)progressivism that progresses to martial law or anarchy. Most people don’t know it – or care – that there have always been close ties between communists and anarchists. Neither one has a shred of ethics or morality. But they need to seem like they are to appear credible and attract followers. So, they inculcate and brainwash people with ideas and cliches culled from classical philosophy and theology. That imbues their adherents with a patina of “respectable” ideas (but, divorced from the reasoned and logical continuity that give classic disciplines their integrity). Progressives, therefore, have no integrity and we see on many of their posts here that they lack disciplined thinking, preferring instead to accost people with emotionalized anecdotal harangues, cliches divorced from original academic context, popular inflammatory media topics and practiced personnal destruction. All the elements of propaganda subsist on these pillars of liberal argumentativeness – not true argumentation or thoughtful discussion. (At least this type of venue disallows the normal, rude liberal ploy of “butt-in and shout-over”.)

A variation is what Obama did during the ’08 campaign with his “Yes We Can” and “Hope and Change” mantras. He, deceitfully, never said what he envisioned “we can” to be, or what, how or when. Likewise,
“hope” is usually a wonderful sentiment, as long as it is given some sort of definition – which he never made an attempt to do. “Change”? That is meaningless without putting some context to it as to what, when , why and how “Change” is to be brought about. No one I ever heard made him clear the misty bog with definitions. So, every listener and “O” voter put his own concept of what those three things should be. There must be some wild fantasies going round.

What I find really interesting is to go through the Gospel accounts to see how Jesus Christ’s adversaries lined up their attacks against him. The scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees (Liberals of their day) lined up their attacks in similar fashion. In John 8 Jesus said they were of their father, the devil. Like father like son? Why wouldn’t children of darkness do the same today? But, he beat them.

I think they can be beaten today, too, without going through what he endured…for us. Know what you’ve got in his name, and stand in the evil day.

The terrible thing is the greater percentage of voters were uncritical of and welcomed Obama’s lies, deceit, double-think, bribery, slander, disfunctionality, intimidation and corruption.

As you indicate, Bob. Much of modern education is a charade, a shiny b
brick and mortar edifice that is hollow, dark and putrid. Then, the stuff that slithers out of it goes to Washington, D.C.

Dear American Liberal,

The problem with socialized medicine is two fold.
1. We just don’t have the money to pay for it. Period.
2. Socialized medicine draws down the quality of care for everyone in the system. Common procedures are extremely limited.

Now, for this bill.
1. It does NOTHING to address the cost of healthcare. All it does is increase the costs across the board which will cause more hardship.
2. It cuts the funding for Medicare instead of Medicaid, so that the senior citizens who have paid into the scheme are being cut on their benefits.
3. It allows the government to decide who gets what treatments and when. The statement that the government will not get between you and your doctor is a flat out lie!
4. The bill is unconstitutional. It forces individuals to PURCHASE a specific product or face criminality.
5. The bill is not deficit neutral as it has been touted. We (the people of United States) will be paying for this POS for 4 years before ANY benefits kick in.

As for the physician, not only is he a doctor but he is a businessman. While he is not flat refusing care, he does have a right to not see someone. He’s just asking them to pre-screen themselves.

In my hometown a lot of the people who don’t pay their bills are here illegally. Do you think we should pay for them? Sorry, not authorized by our Constitution. The people who can’t pay? I guarantee a good percentage could probably pay, but just choose not to do so. I had a friend who owed $25,000 in hospital bills and couldn’t afford to pay them, though he was working. There was an office he went to in the hospital that would help him out. The lady looked over his bill and ran it through the computer. Charities paid 50% of the bill! After that, he went to a credit agency and they worked with him and the hospital and set up a payment plan that was affordible for him. If more people would do these 2 things, we wouldn’t need this unconstitutional healthcare bill, which will be repealed in 2011!

samurai, simply called: responsibility. Too many don’t and won’t do the same thing.

Too many people don’t know how or won’t work off a budget. I don’t know how they do it. The first thing I do every month is knowing how much money will be coming in (mostly SS) and the bills that are standard, i.e., insurance premiums, utilities, etc. and put them down on paper, dividing them up into two different sections. One section comes out of my SS check, the other out of my husband’s. That helps me decide which bill to pay when. The extra pays on credit card (we use only one), entertainment, gas for the car, grass mowing, etc. We usually have some extra some months and some months not. Particularly the ones in which car insurance and home owners insurance are due. We also contribute to charity as much as we are able. For these i put all extra money aside into one account and try to spend it judicially. We also try to save when we can. We don’t live high on the hog, had our home paid off years ago before we retired, and drive a 15 year old Chrysler which we baby. It serves us well as my husband is handicapped and can get in it easily. It can be done as we do all this on $25,000 a year.

John, my man, that is absolute genius. And, it goes not only for health care but every other interaction between people. Liberalism is sand in the machinery of the Universe.

s c, I think this video explains the liberal mindset about Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/01/republican-april-fools-da_n_521572.html

JeffH,
I agree with your statement!! Look back a few months at Brown. Everybody thought he was the best thing since sliced bread and all he was was another RINO!!!!

EWO,
So not only do you advocate, “We should kick all of the men out and for a change have this country be run by women.” But you are also saying that these women should be progressive liberal females?
A sexist and politicaly biased comment all wrapped up in one. How sad for you.

Oh, EWO -
Now that really sounds like a great way to teach kids the difference between right and wrong – compromise on everything so no one gets their feelings hurt. Don’t listen to them to see what the dispute is about or determine the issues. Don’t have a standard of right or wrong. Don’t dispense a just solution or establish just instructions for the future. Where there is no justice you will have chaos erupt at some point.

Mike, you are not reading or understanding what I said. As ususal as you have a closed mind. You teach children that they can’t always get or have what they want. Life is nothing but comprises and learning to distinguish between wants and needs is a valuable lesson. The entitlement attitude of the younger generation was generated by parents who wanted to be friends with their children and never said no to any of their desires for fear of not having them like them. When children never have to work for results or learn how to comprise they become those who you conservatives hold in such distain. The generation who thinks they are due something. Must be a lot of parents out there like you, who gave your kids everything expecting nothing in return, and now your kids expect to have the income right out of college that most of us took 10-15 years to achieve. ” You betcha”, I think women in general could do a better job at running this country than the present men in control. Who are you more afraid of women or the minorities getting control?? lol.

EWS,
I forwarded your comments to Sarah Palin. She’s comming to “getcha,
you betcha.” When all the good doctors quit an unprofitable business,
you can “betcha” life on the mediocre ones.

Dear EWO,

There isn’t enough room on this computer to tell you how proud I am of my three kids. One of the first words they learned was,”NO!” and then the phrase, “You ought to think about that. What will happen if you do that?” Two of them worked their way through college – without loans or debt at the end. They have moved ahead and their supervisors fight to keep them in their departments. Yes, they all have jobs, even the one who is still going to college. None of them came home pregnant or with VD or addictions. All were voted captains of high school teams they participated on – none were super athletes (just admired for other qualities). Quit, Mike; I wasn’t going to go on so.

Hell, why do I bother telling you this stuff?

Mike, anything you reveal to this quack is a mistake. She’ll try and try to find a way to corrupt it and then share the info with here little slug like companions.

eyeswideopen,,
Give us a break..Where do you come up with all this non-sense,,and anger.. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike in MI — You stated that you are very proud of your kids and then you said “Why do I bother telling you this stuff?” I want you to know that I respect you for what you have said about your kids. In a lot of instances kids are a reflection their parents. You obviously were/are a good parent.

Dear Claire,
Thanks. I humbly and gratefully acknowledge your kind words – especially, coming from a source I’m learning have reason to admire.

Bless your heart, my dear.

Mike in MI— I believe good parents are the backbone of the youth of yesterday, today, and the future. Parents are the teachers from infancy until they start school. And then it can become tricky because they learn from other sources and sometimes these sources are not good. Parents have to remain vigilent during the entire growing-up phase. It can be a tough job and parents must never give up, they have to try to do the best they can.

Mike, this is the same EWO that is teaching her niece to be a socialist. She often braggs how she turns her niece onto this site just to laugh at the stupid conservative Republican right wingers. Talk about indoctinating and influencing a child.

Hey, JeffH, Thanks for the heads up on EWO’s niece. It’s good she brings her here. You never know what might happen. The brain of genetically complete people is built to hold reason and truth. These ideas have a way of taking root, springing up and bringing good stuff to fruition. If she reads her Auntie’s life, compares, considers and, then, draws conclusions…who knows?

One can only hope for the good.

That would be great idea if woman as a whole were capable of rational thought rather than making blind and emotionally motivated decisions. More than likely the reason for Obummer getting into office in the first place.

del, you are exactly what the republican/conservative men are all about.
That is why the dems don’t ever have to worry about Palin or any other female getting to be President. You are all backwards and I bet you have a wife who works, and you still don’t give her credit for her contributions. Eventually you old chauvinstic men will die off and women will finally get their freedom and equality.

”and you are a prime example of what del was talking about…You give women a bad reputation.

del,
I disagree and not that I’m agreeing with the myopic witch either. My wife is an international manager and is damn good at what she does. she voted against Obummer, too. she was against him from the start, just like me!!! She has done this for 27 years and will soon retire from it!! I’m damn proud of her ethic and determination!!

It depends on who the woman is. I’d vote for Palin in a second. As for that witch Pelosi, the only thing I’d give her is a new broom to fly the hell out of this country.

I’ll supply the fuel, a big plate of red beans and rice…and away she goes…

eyes, I see you have loosened up a little bit. So there is hope for a female President. One that would make obama look like the sissy he is. Then vote Palin, an educated, God fearing, female with a whole lot more sense than anyone in Washington, including the looser obama. Now remember I am a democrat to, but I was smart enough not to vote for the looser Obama. I knew he was lying the first time I saw him speak.

Zack, sorry, can’t vote for a women whose husband belonged to the radical political party, AIP, took 6 years and five schools to graduate, quit during her term of office, drug her kids around the election circuit for 3 months, doesn’t even know that the VP doesn’t write legislation, whose grandson is on socialized government healthcare and constantly opens her mouth about things she has no concept about. She doesn’t pass any test except she is pretty.

Nobody is listening to your lying rampage. On welfare? Get me the link, linkless and put down the proof. Your wild imagination and lying reputation doesn’t qualify as the truth.

Eyes,

I am listening.You always speaks the truth.Sarah Palin is a joke,wait till here looks changes.

coal miner, you need to learn how to spell if you are going to comment on here. Have to inform you that after Obama signed the no nuclear treaty, Sarah Palin’s approval rating has increased dramatically.. Obamas is dropping fast.

JeffH,,
Can you believe this,,first she was talking about women taking over the Whitehouse,,and then she comes off the wall,,”"can’t vote for a woman,,”" which she misspelled,,and then coal miner says he believes everything she says,,and misspells every other word..Do you think maybe these two dropped out of school at maybe the sixth or seventh grade..Maybe they got kicked out,,and they are still angry at the school that kicked them out..You said it right back earlier,,not very much smarts in these two..Lack of a good education here..

Cheer up you two,,you are making life rough on yourself by stating one thing,,and then going down the line,,and saying something completely different!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AmLib -
It so happens this issue was one that came up for real. The law as written was going to give Viagra to child molesters and needed to be changed. But, rest assured, this is just the sort of liberal madness that will be found to be a major part of this bill.

It’s what happens when bills are not discussed, debated, resolved and passed with open and honest commentary from everyone who will be affected by it. This madness is just the first of many disgraces that will show the kind of wisdom available to liberals.

Mike in Mi.
Just like they overlooked the fact that the kids were left out of the can’t be denied because of preexhisting clause!!!! Will be fixed later but in the meantime……..!

cr747 SUP? Good to hear from you…did ya see the big mouth rant attack on ya further up? It musta’ broke a fingernail or somebody stepped on it’s tail and really pissed it off.

JeffH,,
That’s all eyeswideopen knows is being pissed off..It does not bother me to the least..She probably would holler if we agreed with her..Can’t be satisfied..Sure would hate to have to live with something like that..Hell I wouldn’t even want to live on the same block!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

…easy big guy, I can only laugh so long before I lose my breath.

cr747,
Asthe lady Claire said the other day(quite tongue in cheek,I’m sure)” better to be pi..ed off than pi..ed on!” Poor googleeyes!!!

Joe H,,
Good quote there,,that is probably eyeswideopens problem..She has been pi–ed on,,and now she is pi–ed off..Have to overlook someone like that..They have to be living a miserable life knowing they have no friends,,so they show it with temper-tantrums..coal miner lives in the same world..He has to be miserable to with the way he comments on here..He thinks he can scare someone off line by bad mouthing them..Childish,,that’s all it is.. The old saying sticks and stones may break my bones,,but words will never harm me..I look over people of their caliber..It does not bother me at all..I kinda think it is funny for them to show everyone how childish they are..Everyone gets a big laugh out of it any way..

If they had to take the remarks,,and “yes cursing” that I had to take while in flight training,,they would have called mommy to come and get them..They for sure couldn’t have took it..Made me a much stronger,,and better person,,and I learned to respect my seniors,,and instructors..Also learned to take it without getting upset about it..Just like now,,it does not bother me at all what someone says or believes..That is their prerogative,,they have the right to doubt,,but only to make fools out of themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff H — LOL I have to laugh at your comment–”or somebody stepped on its tail and really pi—- it off.” I remember one time I was looking for mushrooms, stepped on the tail of a hog-nosed snake and it sure raised up and struck at me. It was scary as heck. I must have really pi—- it off. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. My heart was almost beating out of my chest. Have you ever seen a hog-nosed snake? Terrible looking head on them.

Funny but I bet it wasn’t too funny at the time. I don’t think we have hog nosed snakes in California. We have gopher snakes that look similar to a rattlesnake and their defense mechanism is to coil up and wiggle their tail like a rattler. I’ve run from them before I could recognize what they were.

WHOSE SORRY NOW…Connie Francis?

JeffH,,
Right on Brother..Liked that song,,and Connie Francis to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cr747– Another good song is “Everybody Wants to Rule the World” by Tears for Fears. A good song from the ’80s.

cr747– Hi!! You’re back!! Hope you will be here for awhile and everything is going great with you.

Hi Claire,,
Want to tell you what a sweetheart I thank you are..You are so good with your comments,,and I know it is hard for you at times,,and yes a lot more of you on here also..

You know,,life is to precious,,and to short for the way some on here show their,,”should I say ignorance,,”or do they just don’t know any better way to blow off their anger that has built up all through the week with,,maybe family,,friends,,or work..I can’t live like that..As I have told a lot of young people with anger problems,,seek help now,,and one way to do that is join a branch of service,,and they will remove that anger from you..ONE WAY OR THE OTHER..The other is not good.. God Bless all Of You,,and God Bless America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cr747 — Yes indeed, life is too precious to even waste one moment!!
I agree with you about kids entering the military, it does teach them self-control. My son joined the Air Force after high school. I remember very clearly the first time he came home on leave. He had changed so much. He was so “grown up” that I wept. I wept because he was no longer a “little boy.” I wept with happiness because he had grown to be a fine young adult. He became a young man that I was and still am very proud of. He was in it for 4 years and ended up in the Air Guard for 12 years. During this time he went to college and excelled in ALL mathematics and received his degree in engineering. He has worked for IDOT for many years now and the blueprints he draws are mindboggling. If anyone drives on I55 and its tributaries, think of my son!! But if there are any potholes, it is up to the state of Illinois to maintain the roads!! He just designs them. The military is good for young boys. I would recommend the miltary for every young boy.

Claire,,
God Bless your Son for his service..It’s great to here a great story like that..I do know it is hard to realize how they mature in such a short time..

Proud for him becoming an Engineer for Illinois Dept..Of Trans..Sounds like he has a great career ahead for Him..
God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Claire, I know you are proud of your son for serving..It does make them grow into an adult fast..I remember when I came home from boot camp my Mom couldn’t believe the change that I had made..She was so proud that she called all the family in for a cookout..We had a blast,,but the hard work was yet to start..Flight training..I had been flying since I was 13 years old at our local small time airport,,and it was such fun that I knew that was what I wanted in life!!!!!!!!!

cr747– I do have to admit that shortly after he graduated from high school, he came home one day and told me and my husband that he had enlisted in the Air Force. I almost had a stroke. I did not want him to go!! But my husband accepted it. He did not have any problems with Tim enlisting. Then on the day he left and we had to take him to the airport (where the 183rd is located) I was so worried. He had never been away from home like that, and I just couldn’t imagine him leaving for such a long time! It was all I could do to keep from crying when we said our goodbyes. But I sure did squall in the car going home! It was hard to let go. What memories.

cr747 — God bless you and yours.

zack –And God bless you and yours!

You should have fixed your plumbing yourself, kept track of your time and see what you would have saved per hour.

Jimmy G — You darn right I’ll fix things myself from now on. I am capable of fixing a lot of things.

Claire,
your plumber was probably a DR. before he was a plumber!!!!

Joe H — You may be right about that. LOL

Claire, ??? Why, if it’s “GREED” for the plumber to charge you $123.00 per hour and you’re mad about it, would you say, “Maybe I should have been a plumber”? You didn’t want to dig around in that nasty trap or you didn’t have the knowledge to do it. Sort of like a Urology Clinic, isn’t it? If you’re unwise enough to let your sewer system get backed up you may have to pay what the man wants for his time…and skills, and tools…and truck…and helpers…and replacements…and taxes…and insurances…and – and – and.

And Obama is making all of that about twenty times bigger for all of us because his bill will come too.

Mike in Mi — I had a leak below the kitchen sink, they came and “fixed” it. An hour later I checked and it was spraying water. I called, they came back and said I needed a new valve. My sewer wasn’t “backed up.” I am grousing about it since they should have fixed it correctly in the beginning. Especially since they charge the way they do. Greed??!! I believe greed is the cause of most of America’s problems.

Oh, um, OK – sorry. I take it back. You had a right to be real torqued off. I would have been, too. That’s part of why I got appropriate tools, some household repairs books, supplies and the attitude, “If a human being dreamed it up and put it together, I can probably take most things apart, fix ‘em and put ‘em back together. Maybe not as fast, but man it’s a lot more satisfying.”

Mike, Claire is a wonderful person and very neutral minded. A great participant. Oh, she also raises shorthaired pointers which are an important part of her family and her life.

Jeff H — Bless your heart. You know the way to my heart! Speaking of the dogs, I am checking into a web site/Facebook. I will let you know on this.

I hope you know I’d just love to meet the family, oh, and you and your hubby too. lol!

Claire, it is the “free market” at work. Plumbers get paid what the market will bare.

You a gentleman…maybe in stone age times.

My reply is PFFFF!

PFFF, did you notice that Jeff has a need to have someone always biting him? lol

So what; I wear a hat thats says BITE ME, if some one was stupid enough to bite me – I would make that their last act ever.
As thats a clear case of “assault with a deadly weapon”,
Or the – Vampire tooth syndrone. LOL…….

The doctor should become a cosmetic proctologist and take you on as a patient. Perhaps he can make even a narrow minded, hate filled anus like you look good.

Now now Hughly, no hate in these bones. You sure got a fetish about the anus. Try removing your head from yours, you might just get a look at the real world.

You need a plexiotomy-

That new procedure involving implanting a plexiglas window in the abdomen, so people whose heads are crammed in their colons can see.

…as I said before, a fetish or fixation on your part.

JeffH,
I wonder if the kind Dr. can come up with a cure for libbers. They are sure making me get pizzed off!!! I mean, he IS a urologist!!!

Yeah, I think they are called “libber” pills and you can buy them over the counter. Guarnteed or your money back…

I admire this Doc Cassell’s courage and knowledge to voice his concerns about the crazy healthcare plan coming down on all of us. He’s right to encourage other docs to educate their patients on some huge fundamantal changes in healthcare. I want to mention to those who are not so savy about healthcare ,please google urologist and find out what type of Doctors they are. He doesn’t care for those in emengent situations. I don’t recommend a trip to his office for any emergency as they will call an amulance and have you shipped to the nearest ER. Good luck navigationg the healthcare system after this,because I have a feeling specialist like him will be far and few between and we’ll more than likely see diseases that were prevalent in the 50′s rearing their ugly heads. It will be up to you to google symptoms and diagnose yourself, until you are able to get an appointment with the helper of the Primary Docs.

Sad days are here…now we will not only pay extra for this medical service??? oh…dear me….what ever it is going to be now…paper paper everywhere and not a stethiscope anywhere…
Now our prez wants us to pay for more taxes…a fed. purchase tax…on top of our state taxes … woowooo…happy days are here again…oh well…signing out here…God Help us…God Bless our former America

Your comment shows, again, that you are just a complete idiot. He has turned no one away and has said as much. I watched the interview with him. If they choose to not enter his office and seek his care, that is on them, not him. GEEZ, always try to lie about things. Where did you get your law degree?
Tell me what your opinion is of Grayson? That, I’s like to hear! MORON!

JeffH,
she is not a moron!! She is a less-on!!!! There is nothing more on about her!!!! She is always less-on anything she comments on!!!!

We were both wrong. She is a CLING-ON!

Perhaps even a WackOn that clingson to being moreoff.

Jeff, the sign says, “If you voted for Obama, seek urologic healthcare elsewhere”. He didn’t say if you are under my care, I will continue treating you until you can find a doctor. My Neighbor is attorney. He is laughing his rear off, as this guys is going to pay big time and he shouldn’t be practicing medicine. Doctors aren’t supposed to see color, race, religion, sex. He isn’t a doctor, he is a politician. But you and the conservatives can claim him, and pray you don’t ever make him mad, think if you were under the knife and he didn’t like the books you read!!!! Scary. LMAO.

You obviously never saw his interview, I did! You’re an idiot. I won’t try to explain it to you because you obviosly have a learning disorder. As for your “lawyer neighbor”, I believe you lied again and don’t have one. Until he refuses care to someone that voted for O’idiot, patient or not, he hasn’t violated any laws. You’re such a mental midget!

Color… Nope not based on color

Race….. Nope not based on race

Religion… Not based on Religion. Unless Obama worship is a religion.

Sex… Not based on sex.

See – the problem is that he has done nothing wrong. The simple fact that there are trial lawyers lining up and wanting to put someone up to suing him is evidence of just how absurd our system is, and shows how the liberal elites try to influence our country.

Eyeswideopen,,
As an attorney Dr..Cassell has not done anything wrong..As he stated on numerous news affiliates,,he is not refusing service to anyone..He is simply stating what he believes..His door is not locked,,and people are free to enter..He has not broken any more LAWS than the members of congress,,and the President of the United States of America has by deliberating,,and passing this Health Care Bill that is against The Constitution of The United States of America..You will see very shortly that this HCB will be exonerated before the Supreme Court,,if it gets that far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cr747, what are you still doing on this site?? They didn’t pick you up for revealing classified information about the WMD’s that you supposedly flew out of Iraq to Canada?? How old are you? Who should be at the controls during the critical phase of a flight? Since you came on this site bragging that you flew WMD’s out of Iraq, I have shown all the Vet’s I know your statement and they laughed out loud about the “Wanna Bee” military pilot. First thing out of their mouths was that no military pilot would be stupid enough to ever give any information out about his mission, especially on an internet site which is monitored. So, dude, I am calling you on your lie. You are not a pilot and you did not transport WMD’s from Iraq to Canada.
YOU ARE A LIAR!!! You and Berbroini the fake Ph.D should hook up and start a business together. LMAO!!! Vet’s who have had classified missions never devulge information about them at all, until the government declassifies them. We are still at war, so your bragging did you in with your stupid statement.

eyeswideopen,,
when you are the best in what you do,,you are asked to do a lot of things that would flip your wig if you knew just half of what goes on..You can bet if need to I will protect you,,and all of the people of The United States..

All though I am a reserve there is a lot that I still do for the USA..Get used to it..What is so hard about that??

As I said once before,,I might have been born at night,,but it wasn’t last night..I know what can be released as news,,and what can’t,, lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eyeswideopen,,
Thanks for calling me a liar,,that shows just how smart you are..I gave you an e-mail site to go to to read about the WMD”s,,did you not go there???????????????????????????

You say he is not a doctor but a politician by putting up a sign which is granted by our 1st amendment in our constitution. However, I see nothing in our constitution giving our politicians the right to practice or dictate medicine. It seems to me you have it backwards, this doctor is not playing politician it is our politicians playing doctor and trying to control our doctors and our lives when it comes to healthcare. And as far as the doctor being in trouble I honestly believe when elections are here again you will see that it is the current politicians that are in trouble. I live in Brevard and if I need urology care I will travel to this doctor to show him my support

What is the problem here? The good doctor has a right to treat whomever he pleases, just as the patient has a right to seek out any doctor he chooses, the current unconstitutional health care law notwithstanding.

Great comment and right on! He hasn’t refused anyone treatment and anyone who reads the sign and decides on their own not to seek his treatment is making their own decision. He’s not asking when they come in to the office if they voted for Obama, so he isn’t refusing care. Doctors can turn away patients because they don’t accept Medicare or Medicaid patients and that’s okay. Aren’t they doing exactly what you are accusing Dr. Cassell of?

Michelle, being rational isn’t an alternative to the naysayers. It’s just way to simple for their advanced minds.

Michelle– You are correct when you say some doctors will not take patients on Medicare/Medicaid. As far as this doctor refusing to see Obama supporters, that is his perogative. Heck, if I were a doctor, there would probably be some people I wouldn’t want to have as patients. For example, criminals.

Michelle, shows what you know. Ever heard of abandonment? read the links and educate yourself.
http://medical-malpractice.lawyers.com/Where-Is-Your_Doctor_When_You-Need-Him-Most.html

http://brainblogger.com/2008/07/27/medicine-and-the-law-part5-abandonment/
This doctor didn’t even have enough class to discharge a patient correctly…You people who don’t like any laws or regulations, this doctor is the reason we have to have them. Medical Professionalism defination is as follows: “requires that doctors adhere to certain principled responsibilities, chief amoung them, the primary of patient welfare and the SUBORDINATION OF SELF INTEREST” That means politics should never come into play.
A doctor must notify a patient and transfer care to another acceptable doctor if planning to withdraw care. The doctor may be charged with negligent abandonment for ending the relationship with a patient without appropriate referral, transfer or discharge. This doctor should get out of the profession.

Big mouth, look into the mirror, nobodys home. You are so off subject a two year old could figure it out. Spin baby spin…

When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an ‘agitator’ they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.” p.117 in Rules for Radicals

Eyes,

I thought we got rid of that moron.I think Cr474 and Bev should go in business selling snake oil.I hear it is highly profitable.I can see it now,PhD truck driver and air plane pilot Cr474.Oh, I almost forgot,DaveH head of security,He can bust strikes.What a brain.He had five cars that caught on fire. They must had seen this turkey comming.In his view scab cars don’t do that,union cars do.WOW!PLEASE REMEMBER THE COAL MINERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

coal miner,,
you just won the dunce for a day award..You need to get that methane out of your system,,and learn a little more before discarding someone..Ha!! You an eyeswideopen deserve each other..Are you two kin??

God Bless America,,and oh yes God show coal miner that you are God of the Universe..He worships satan,,which is not real bright on his part!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cr747 hit ‘em where the sun don’t shine!

My prayers and thoughts are with the families of the coal miners. Tragic situation. The company should have put the safety of their employees first. From what I hear, the company thought it was cheaper to pay the fines rather than protect their workers. If this is indeed true, then this company is lower than a snake.

This statement from our resident scabber who joined the union instead of defending his country!!! The same one that gives a different story of it every time he speaks of it!!! The one that says he won’t buy anything not made here in the U.S., yet he tries to bug us on a foreign made computer!!!! Says he’s bought about seven of them!!! Go back to the hills ole’ man!!!

coal miner,, Whose the MORON?? You do not even know your plane sizes,,it is not a 474 that I own..I have never heard of a 474..The planes I own are 747′s..Now if you had a little more intelligence this would be worth arguing about,,but since you don’t know anything about me,,or planes,,The ones I flew in Nam where the F-4 Phantom II 2 seater which we used for dog fighting,,and also flew the McDonnel F-4 Phantom,,and the Douglas A-4 skyhawks with the latter two being flown off of the bigger Flat Top Ships..There is no use in me wasting my time with such a looser as you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Claire,

Thank you, for the compasion you showed for those unfortunate coal miners.When I retired,mines were safe and a good place to work.All of them were unionized.I hope their deaths aren’t in vain.What I am seeing now, is Perry County all over again.This was not only a total disregard for human life,but cold blooded murder as well.There were 450 violations and some on this blog said it wasn’t the scab mine owners’ fault.The miners should have known better.They knowed it was unsafe,when they started to work there.Lets bring back the unions and make mines safe,and in factories as well.

coal miner — Union or no union. The safety of the coal miners are first and foremost. The owners of this company should be held accountable. If I had anything to do with it, they would be in a heck of a lot of trouble. I would be going “after” them. I would make sure they could never pull this stunt again.

coal miner – You said the miners should have known better. The coal miners no doubt NEEDED their jobs. They had to make a living and sometimes a person does what they feel they have to do in life. And perhaps this is the only line of work that they know or want to do. It is still negligence on the part of the company.

Don’t Doctors take an oath to “do no harm”? Interesting irony. this Doctor “claims” that people will receive less care because of the health care reform, and he goes out (with his sign and policy) reducing health care for people. It is indeed unethical!

Hey, JeffH -

You’ve got to take into account the basis of the problem faced by EWO and other liberals. She’s right that doctors are ethically bound to take patients and not refuse care on the basis of “race, religion, color or sex”. The law doesn’t say anything about being “liberal” and they see themselves as a breed apart. I suspect there may be some legitimacy to this being a concern. They obviously don’t see themselves being bound by the normal rules and relationships that govern ordinary mortals on thei earth – just look at the programs Congress is trying to enact under their domination. They’ll never work under the rules and principles set up by God for region of the space time continuum we live in.
Besides, studies have been conducted to find out where the highest fequencies of various diseases are in the nation. Once that was done somebody got the crazy idea to super impose a grid based on political demographics. Guess whose political leanings coincided with the highest disease rates. Democrats and LIBERAL voting areas won hands down. Mental disorders of various sorts were in very high correspondence.

Now, anybody who knows the Bibe could have told you that in a heartbeat. Just on the basis of God’s Word it’s predictable. Why? It’s only logic. Well, in II Timoth 1:7 it says, “For God has not given us the spirit of fear; but, of power and of love and of a sound mind.” I never yet met a lib who believes the Word. They may believe “in” God, but that’s a far cry from “believing” God. So, they don’t have that spirit. Ergo, they can’t have the sound mind that is supposed to go with that spirit. So, since a sound mind is a sane mind they must be what?

Insane. See… even God thinks they’re nuts!!!! He’s just too nice to say it in an unkind way.

I forgot:

It is a literal Truth, documented by the Word of God(several places):

Liberalism is a Mental Disease. Rampant unsound minded insanity.

Mike, All valid points, I have always liked the statment, (That if it were not for double standards they would have no standards at all.)

Claire,

I didn’t say the coal miner should have known better,reread my statement,I am quoting what some insensitive bloggers said.Withnout a union it would be virtually impossible to keep mines safe.Prevention comes first, once it happens you can’t cure the accident.With govenmental budget cuts there are far too few federal mine inspectors,making it very difficult to inspect all the mines.They usually come once a year and enough hush money,they do spots checks and move on.Some don’t even bother going inside of the mines.Factories and coal mines need unions,without them you got violations of safety and rights.Both go hand and hand.

With govenmental budget cuts? Now that would be a new innovation for government.

The Doctor is not putting anyone in risk. You always have the choice to go to another doctor. The only thing putting people at risk is the so called health care bill now law. I don’t have health insurance and I have never been denied health care. I think the doctor is correct in his statements on the HC that was forced upon us. I have fired doctors because I didn’t think they were doing the right thing. So why can’t a doctor tell some patients, “it might be better for you to go someplace else”.

“Maybe the Mount Dora police if called to his house will ask him who he voted for prior to helping him, walking away if they don’t like his answer.” Once again you write from your rear end instead of your head. Not being a spear chunking fan like you and every other idiot that voted for Obummer. I am sure he believes in the 2nd and can defend himself rather than cowering down screaming for help into the phone.

He could have just closed his practice. It’s called freedom of choice. He’s letting people know how he feels about Obamacare. Notice, he menrioned the ‘death panels” in so many words. Not directly the words, but the meaning.

Another left wing scumbag hypocrite. They were all yelling and screaming about how happy they were when they thought Rush Limbaugh’s health was life threatening awhile back. Now they’re ready to lynch that doctor because he has every right in the world to pick his patients. And if I were a doctor I wouldn’t want to treat any of the morons who voted for or support that communist crook Obama either!!!

eyeswideopen – your lawyer neighbor doesn’t know diddly about the medical community. Doctors have a right to FIRE patients. That’s right – discontinue care to them at will for whatever reason they see fit. If you’re a whack-a-doo, and the doctor doesn’t want to deal with you, he will refer you to another physician. The Hypocratic Oath does not mandate that ONE specific doctor provide care to ONE specific patient. It merely relates that a medical practitioner should give the best possible care to his/her patient while that patient is still breathing. That’s not to say that better care cannot be provided by a DIFFERENT physician and this will be difficult to prove; especially if not in a life-or-death situation. You see – unlike YOU – this doctor read the portions of the health care bill that will affect him and his practice and he is using his FIRST amendment right to protest this garbage legislation as it will PROHIBIT him to providing the best possible care to his patients, which in following the provisions of the new bill will actually countermand his Hypocratic Oath.

LAConfidential, even a caveman can understand it.

JeffH,

“Unbelievable! Where’s my coat? It’s the suede with the fringe!”

LA Confidential,

Thank you for the excellent post.

La, read my post above. There are certain things that a doctor must do when discharging you…. he can’t just post a sign on the door telling you he doesn’t want you as a patient because of how you voted.

Yes he can…it’s called “freedom of speech” HAH! Last I heard it was still legal…HAH!

Eyes..that`s all you people can think about!..What you can get out of someone else for free. Sue Sue for money that is not yours. What`s the matter, your welfare check hasn`t come yet?? You damn liberials all what evryone elses money. Entitled?? Go to work!!

Boe, unlike others on this site, I don’t get Medicare or SS disability payments, nor food stamps. I take care of my family extremly well, and I don’t really understand how you who are participating in socialized government provided healthcare and disability can ever ridicule or pass judgement on anyone else. I work, don’t you remember that only the liberals have all the jobs?? Since I am an Independent, they decided I could keep my business and continue to make a good living. LOL. I suspect that you are the one without a job. Some poll just stated that majority of Tea Partiers are unemployed and that is why they are so angry and acting radical. You must be a tea partier? I am sorry you aren’t employed, but a republican senator is stopping your unemployment checks not me.

Eyes I believe you are jealous some are getting medicaid, and medicare and you are not. Such pity, what a shame, just thinking of yourself, and no one else. Well some people are like that, that is why they don’t have any friends on here.

Claire, alot of the Repubs in Fl like him, as he calls a spade a spade and didn’t take any lobbyist money to get elected. He used his own money, so he doesn’t owe anybody anything as far as favors go. He returns your calls and letters, and actually thinks that he represents the people. He is a multimillionaire, and felt that he should give back to the state that he made his riches off of. Some of my family live in Orlando, and even tho they are repubs they voted for him.

Orbs closed, by your own choice you make the same mistakes most ultraliberal progressives make when they dare to open their mouth(s). That is, there is a big difference between a ‘Repub’ and a conservative. A Repub is a political switch-hitter (not unlike morons like Specter and McCain).
A conservative is not afraid of common sense. A conservative will call a spade a spade – without checking a poll first. A conservative worships freedom. The main difference between what you see as political ‘truth’ and what a conservative sees as political truth is the bottom line.
We KNOW why the Constitution is so important to freedom. You and your ilk never understood it, you have no use for it, and you are ‘naive’ enough to think we will sit back, smile and flock to your open tent to become ‘friends’ (on YOUR terms, of course).
May your tent be the breeding grounds for all manner of pests. May your tent be used as the amorous resort of elephants in rut. May your tent be seen as the home of every type of perversity and subhuman acvtivity known since the first human walked the planet.
We don’t need no ‘estinkin’ tent. May you someday
find a better, more positive path. The way you’re headed, you have no chance because you never TEST your icons. When/if you find your way, your icons will have much to fear. For now, THEY control YOU. That is NOT freedom.

s. c.

Don’t put it, “may your tent be”. It already is and I ain’t goin’ in hat briar patch.

sc –”May your tent” — your comments made me think about something I heard years ago…

“May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.”

It was funny as heck way back when but probably sounds goofy now.

sc, conservatives have been masquerading as repubs and vice versa since someone came up with the idea that the conservatives can’t get into office, so let’s just ride on the republican coat tails, get into office and try to stay there. If that isn’t true how do you account for all the conservative think tanks employing all the republicans who are no longer in office? Check out the political designation of the directors, ceo’s of: Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity, Citizens for Sound Policy, Cato, Inst. Freedom Works. Every single one of them are Republicans playing like they are Conservatives. You people need to research your own people and understand that they represent you!!! By the way what is Ron Paul legally known by in the Senate? His designation is REPUBLICAN, not conservative or libertarian, but Republican. You are hypocritical.

Claire, that would be the problem I have with Grayson. He’s well known to speak his mind when it suits him. Grayson obviously supports Obama’s agenda and to me that speaks volumes about the man.
He’s not afraid to speak before he thinks, or his temper is such that he can’t restrain himself. I see the same thing in Pelosi, Reid and Obama as well as many RINOs.

Jeff H — I remember the first time I heard him I did a double-take. I thought Whoa!! He was very outspoken, not mad or anything. Just very blunt in his speaking. And he was going after the Dems too.

Claire, this link was posted further down and shed light on this matter. I found the article comforting and enlightening to read, and goes into great detail about Grayson and Dr. Cassel.
http://baledger.com/articles/2010/04/08/opinion/doc4bbc859c2ae29427494543.txt

Jeff H — I read this article. Very informative. I still like the guy’s courage to say what he thinks regardless of party affiliation. And I still think he would take on Obama and any other Democrat if the situation arose. But then again, “speak softly and carry a big stick” has some merit too.

A doctor’s practice is a business most like any other and he/she has a right to accept or reject a “customer”. That’s the problem with people in this country, they think they have a “right” to health care.

Why shouldn’t people be able to get the health care that they need?

The better question is; why should government have the right to use an IRS armed force that can force anyone to get mandated health care?

Actually, I think my question is much better – more fundamental.