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Obamacare (Obamamania) And The Ghost Of Pierre Trudeau

April 7, 2010 by  

Obamacare (Obamamania) And The Ghost Of Pierre Trudeau

"This is like deja vu all over again."
Yogi Berra

The dictum hit me like a shockwave: Buy into President Obama’s healthcare plan or be considered a criminal.

I had seen it before; a time when another young legal scholar became a sensation. Once he was in power a nation waited breathlessly for him to deliver a new age. He did so with guile and determination.

That man was Pierre Elliott Trudeau, and decades after he left office Canada is still reeling.

Trudeaumania hit Canada in the mid-60s. Trudeau was then a young self-admitted Marxist and Harvard grad (yes Harvard!). He was as brilliant as he was ruthless, and he used his Red Guard elitists to sweep away the Liberal establishment. His first priority: healthcare and financial reform.

It didn’t hurt Trudeau that he was French Canadian. That allowed his supporters and the mainstream media to claim that political opponents were acting out of centuries old prejudices.

Trudeau’s liberal government called themselves “libertarian socialists” and their near dictatorial rule spanned from 1968 to 1984. During that time the Prime Minister set his sights on building what he called a “Just Society.”

“It seems evident to me that the regime of free enterprise has shown itself incapable of adequately resolving problems posed in education, health, housing, full employment, etc.,” said Trudeau.

He backed up his words by implementing the Canada Health Act. It prohibited user fees and extra billing by doctors. Yes, the Prime Minister wrote into law that doctors could only make what the government decided they should be paid. Many of Canada’s best doctors immigrated to the United States.

But Trudeau had loftier goals than just healthcare. He declared that intervention needed to be administered, "at the first sign of national economic weakness: to stimulate buying by putting more money in the hands of consumers.”

To that end Trudeau dictated that, “The State should distribute, extensively and resolutely, payments of all kinds: direct aid, unemployment insurance, agricultural assistance and various grants.”

Nationalization and the Suspension of Habeas Corpus
The Trudeau government launched a wave of nationalization programs. None were larger or more devastating than the National Energy Program (NEP) enacted in 1980.

The NEP was set up to remedy spiraling oil costs for Canadians by forcing oil companies operating in Western Canada to sell their petroleum at a discount to the Eastern provinces. It was nothing short of larceny. Eastern Canada received Western oil at a vast discount. It is estimated that the NEP cost Alberta $100 billion. It was such a blatant seizure of wealth that many of us in Alberta joined a secessionist political party.

The March 11, 2008, American Thinker sums up the Trudeau years: “(He) nationalized 25 percent of the petroleum industry and ruined the nascent boom economy of conservative Alberta. He ensured minority group representation at every level of government and instituted French language requirements in remote English-speaking corners of the country. He turned away from the United States and toward a "third way", vowing to make Canada more European, including the imposition metric system.”

Trudeau did all of that and much more.

In October 1970, the terrorist group FLQ kidnapped British Trade Commissioner James Cross and Quebec’s Minister of Labour Pierre Laporte.

When CBC reporter Tim Ralfe asked him how far he was willing to go to stop the FLQ, Trudeau replied: "Just watch me."

Three days later, on Oct. 16, 1970, the Cabinet under Trudeau’s chairmanship advised the governor general to invoke the War Measures Act. The result was widespread deployment of Canadian Forces troops throughout Quebec and the suspension of habeas corpus, giving far-reaching powers of arrest to police.

The Trudeau government gave the appearance that martial law had been imposed. With far-reaching powers police arrested and detained, without bail, 497 individuals. All but 62 were later released without charges.

Four decades have passed since Trudeau imposed martial law on Canada and it has been 30 years since he nationalized Canada’s oil industry. But even south of the border the cataclysm still echoes. It gains a growing resonance as an American president unleashes his plans for a just society.

“The Obama election’s implications for us are possibly just as fundamental as was Trudeau’s for Canada,” said Michael Krauss, professor of Law at George Mason University. “What if we became Canada?”

I have bad news for Krauss; America is going down that same ruinous path with President Obama. It is hard to conclude otherwise, especially in light of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro declaring last month that the passage of American healthcare reform was "a miracle" and a major victory for Obama’s presidency.

It seems Obama is the kind of leader that Cuba can embrace. (Castro certainly had a close bond with Trudeau. Before he attended Trudeau’s state funeral in the autumn of 2000 he declared three days of mourning in Cuba.)

Just how far to the left President Obama will steer America remains to be seen, but the fact that America is seriously tilting to port is undeniable. Riding roughshod over the Constitution is just one step. Others include the president’s determination to grow government and redistribute the nation’s wealth.

Furthermore, it is naïve to think that Obama will be gone in less than three years. Many a Canadian, especially us out here in the West, believed Trudeau would be a one-term prime Minister. But Canadians got used to collecting Trudeau dollars. By the time he faced his first re-election in 1972 enough Canadians had bought into the prime Minister’s “Just Society” that he would go on to serve another 12 years.

Look for the Dollar to go Loonie
When Trudeau took office in 1968 the Canadian dollar was selling at par with its U.S. counterpart. By the time Trudeau left office in 1984 the Canadian dollar was selling for just 70 cents U.S. That was the Canadian dollar’s first significant devaluation in a century.

In fact, during the Trudeau years the Canadian dollar lost more than half of its purchasing power. Canadians got healthcare, but not one of them could say it was free.

The same scenario could unfold in the U.S., especially if the midterm elections don’t go the Republicans’ way next fall. It is amazing what the majority will sometimes accept and even encourage. I know because I have seen it happen. Not in Cuba… right here in Canada.

Action to take: Accumulate 1-ounce Canadian Gold Maple Leaf, American Gold Eagle and South African Gold Krugerrand coins.

Yours for real wealth and good health,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • DaveH

    John Myers,
    What in your opinion is the best way to purchase physical Silver?

  • Bob

    Ironic that the first reply should mention nazi-socialism. Known fact that during the second world war, Trudeau rode around on his motorcycle wearing nazi regalia. This during a time when stalwart young Canadians were giving their all fighting the nazis in Europe. Even with this Canadians were made to feel guilty for the demise of french in North America that they embrassed Trudeau and Quebec to their sorrow. Canada it seems will never recover from the Trudeaumania for the nanny state is in full bloom except for Alberta where exists a well established movement for independence.

    • http://www.chandostransport@eastlink.ca Graeme B

      Hey Bob, even the Pope was a Hitler Youth and look where that has got him today.!! Trudeau gave Canadians a sense of pride for being Canadian and it wasn’t him who introduced health care in Canada, it was Tommy Douglas, a Baptist minister, who brought it in Saskatchewan.
      I’m absolutely flabbergasted by the comments here. Most people who live in Albeta are right wing and do not represent the vast majority of Canadians regarding social issues.
      Can you imagine what it is like to pay a sales tax ( as most people do) and not have to worry about $1000 to 1400 per month premiums. Can you imagine what it is like to get essential health care coverage and not have to worry that someone is going to tell you that a pre-condition precludes them from coverage. That what socialism does for you.
      Don’t forget that Trudeau also opened the doors of diplomacy with China and Nixon followed suit a year later. Trudeau brought strong controls in the banking sector which has Canada currently having a GDP of 4%. Australia, another socialist state is in even better fiscal shape with unemployment at 5%. The current government under Harper (from Alberta) has sucessfully spent Canada from 10 years of surpluses to the largest deficits in Canadian history. He is trying to outdo his hero, GWB. Hasn’t suceeded yet as GWB has left the US in one terrible fiscal mess.

      If all you watch is Fox you have an incredibly warped view of what reality is in the world. When I watch that channel, I sit there in total disbelief at the lies and BS that is spouted as truth and fact. An ad for the American Gas Assoc. says that we have all the gas we need in North America. What the ad didn’t say was that 50% of the gas in the US is imported from socialist Canada.

      You will notice, or maybe you haven’t, that the call for repeal of the Healthcare act hasn’t mentioned repealing the death panels??? I wonder where they disappeared to, where have the party of “Hell No” gone with all fearmongering and lies??

      • JC

        So which is worse? A system of government / insurance company cronyism or system of straight up socialism? The government does not have any business whatever in the medical business…none! And none of my relatives in Alberta have a one good thing about Trudeau except “good riddance”.

      • Landcruiser

        Did you know that Trudeau once passing through Alberta on a train gave the finger to some demonstrators? And their response was throwing eggs & tomatoes at his car, that was brilliant! Trudeau’s agenda was to illegitemise English Canada, with multiculturalism & bilignualism except for ‘le belle province’ it all stems back to the 1700′s when the English beat the French on the Plains of Abraham, and hence the Quebec lic.plate “je me souviens”–”I remember”. that’s my 2 cents on Trudeau, truthfully though, I was too young to understand politics during the Trudeau years.

      • Normal Guy

        Land

        You are right about the finger but it was in BC, Salmon Arm, not Alberta. He also said “fuddle Duddle” in the House of Commons, a very arrogant man.

        Trudeau was certainly not my favorite but he was a powerful personality. Grew the bureaucracy in Canada tremendously – pandered to Quebec and alienated the west. I think that he was a dreadful Prime Minister, but a brilliant politician.

      • JC

        Wow, Normal…that was actually a reasonable observation. Had something different for breakfast?

    • JC

      Bob, Aklberta is notable for it history of complete upsets of existing governments. Always opting for the new, more conservative government. Presently they have an up and coming party known as the Wild Rose Alliance that is advocating a more pro-business smaller government. Never in Alberta’s history has anew party grown so quickly. Sign of the times?

  • Enlightened one

    Canada should think long and hard before it ever sends troops to help America like they’ve done throughout history… I wish more people in Canada could see the vile post from these rightwing nutcases …

    • Dale

      “one” . . . . PET rode his motorcycle through the streets of Montreal during WWII wearing a German Helmet and clutching his Communist Party membership card. PET was certainly intelligent, no question, but like the Bumster a confirmed marxist. He brought masive deficit spending to Canada in the 70′s,rolled out the army for 8 or 10 terrorists in 71, gave us “multiculturalism” and massive 3rd world immigration to de-anglicise Canada. I disliked the man when I first met him in 68 . . . felt the same way when I watched the Bumster a few years ago.

    • laura

      Talk about a “NUTCASE” and if your an American your a bloody trader too.

      GOD BLESS

      • Enlightened one

        Laura…. I assume you mean ” traitor”.. Not trader… Sheesh.

      • Enlightened one

        I support my President, my Goverment and my country…our president was elected by ” We the People”…………. And President Obama still has more support than the rightwing religious nutcases on this site…and save your God Blesses” for someone you can fool with your Christianity Act…. It’s as phoney as your Founding fathers act….. I will give thanks that their are only about 5% of you nutcases making all the noise and behaving like a high school remedial class…

      • laura

        I said nothing about our founding fathers and I SEE that “traitor” is a word you know well, see you in class!!!!

        GOD BLESS, GOD BLESS, GOD BLESS, GOD BLESS
        I can say it more if it bothers you!!!!!

      • Sauron

        You’re obviously not American.

      • American Citizen

        You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. If we want out Constitutional form of government to survive, it’s time the American people wake up before it’s too late. Liberals and Democrats think we get our news and views from Beck, Hannity and limbaugh, when in actuality, all we have to do is listen to Obama, Reid and Pelosi to know what is going on. Obama lies every time he open his mouth, Pelosi is good at calling names and Reid is a jack—. It just takes an open mind and the wisdom of years to see where this country is headed.

      • http://naver samurai

        I assume you are aware that “Osama” called himself a Christian, but actually was a Muslim? Now who is the one using Christianity?

      • JC

        Founding Father’s act? Oh I see, you’re trying to trivialize the Founding Father’s of the these United States and assumably that wonderful Constitution they left us in favor of a communist African usurper that is destroying the country…how very enlightened and American of you…

      • angel-wanna-be

        EO___WOW!__MAN O MAN DID SOMEONE PITH IN YOUR WHEATIES THIS MORNING?

  • Jim

    If Chairman OBLAMER and his band of socialists want to turn America into the USSA perhaps we should all just quit OUR jobs and let these socialists take care of us the hell with them I going to work just jobs that I can make cash on then claim nothing on my tax forms and let these son of a bitches pay my way through life OH mighty one please feed and cloth me for I am a socialist and need the govt tit to survive …oh damn, I just realized all OBLAMERS supporters are all ready doing that and here I thought I had a new idea

  • David J. Sanchez

    Unbelievable the lies and complete and total non-transparancy and audacity of this Obama/Biden Administration which will go down in history as the most corrupt ever, with a leader who cannot even produce a legitimate birth certificate and show actual college records or transcripts to prove where he has been. God bless this nation—and wake the people up!!!!

    • EltonJ

      Obama is going down as the Worst President in History.

      • JLC

        Going??? He’s already there !!!

  • chris

    To all you people asking about Canadians going to America for medical reasons, I can tell you right now that this is one Canadian that you don’t have to worry about. You guys make it sound like we have very sub par care in Canada. But it’s really not that bad. I mean just think about it, you go into the hospital with a broken arm and you don’t have to pay $ 10 000 to get it fixed, in fact it’s free. Pretty sweet eh? Look Obama’s plan is probably gonna bankrupt you guys and that sucks but don’t start pointing fingers at us because your plan won’t work. I have an idea ; get rid of the government and lobbyists and insurance company menage a trois ( that’s french for threesome ) and let capitalism and the free markets take care of your health care debacle and you will be way better off.

    • laura

      People don’t cross the boarder because they have a broken arm, they cross because they need life saving surgery that they can not get in Canada. And that is a fact,I’ve seen it myself.The only reason more Canadians do not come over is because they can’t afford it. So they wait in their lines for their heart surgeries and transplants hoping they’ll make it before it’s to late. We don’t “point” fingers at Canadians we sympathize with them.

      GOD BLESS
      laura

      • Kay

        Laura, please do some research and know the facts before you spout off about Canadian healthcare. There is no waiting list for life threatening conditions. yes, people do wait for surgery like hip or knee replacement but not for life threatening things like hreat or cancer. and just as many Americians get their healthcare in Canada as Canadians in the US. I worked in a border city hospital for 25 years and saw Americans everyday.

      • laura

        Really hip replacement isn’t serious, well tell that to a person who’s bed ridden and uses a wheel chair for their second mode of transportation AND HAS TO WAIT FOR SURGERY or is on so many pain killers they can’t eat, so they lose 35 lbs. The only reason Americans where using your doctors and or hospitals was because they were on your side of the boarder.
        GOD BLESS

    • DaveH

      No Chris, your broken arm is not repaired for free. You just don’t see the costs. But I forgive you because your last sentence is Spot On!
      Big Government has caused the HealthCare Mess. The solution is less Government Not more.

      http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279

  • Enlightened one

    The only agenda these rightwingers have is to finish the Job of destroying America that George W.Bush didn’t finish….of course in the name of Jesus…. I remember Bush ran as a fiscally conservative Christian republican… and we know how that workedout …These are the same people that fell allover themselves supporting Bush..As the economy keeps improving watch the rightwing hate rise…anything good for America is bad for the rightwing.. These are also the same people who never let out a peep when Bush was trashing the constitution and bill of rights… These are the same people who thought outting a Cia agent was good… These people also support waterboarding prisoners which is aginst our law as well as international law.. When Bush broke the FISA law on wiretaps… Not a word from them about tyranny or socialism… The rightwing is morally corrupt…

    • laura

      WOW I didn’t know our economy was improving you’ve enlightened me!!!!
      And we don’t waterboard prisoners we waterboard TERRORISTS, who would not think twice about killing you or your family including your children, how do I know this?, THEY’VE ALREADY DONE IT.OH and teach me some of that morality you spew out, while you legalize murdering babies in the womb.

      AND YES YES YES GOD BLESS YOU
      laura

    • DaveH

      The pot calling the kettle black. Do you think your sweeping generalizations carry any weight with intelligent readers? I am not real fond of Republicans, but the Democrats make them look like Saints. Talk about lack of morality, the Democrats think nothing of stealing the hard-earned money of the real workers in the US. And they think nothing of forcing their ill-conceived policies down the throats of good people. There is nothing even remotely moral about the Democrat Leadership.
      While I vote for Libertarians, the only party that champions free choice and voluntary contracts, I would not vote for a Democrat if somebody put a gun to my head. And no doubt, someday that will come true if the freedom-hating Democrats succeed in their takeover of our country.

    • marvin

      Enlightened one and your point being now help me understand so bush was bad and has been out of office for over a year, so obama must be good and been in office for over a year and still trying to blame bush and still trying to sell obamacare put your kids in dept never met a union boss he did not like or an illegal and try to tell israel how to run there own country and this is better then bush lord help us

    • annnort

      How much do the Obamabots pay you to spew your uneducated sp@t on here? NO ONE and I mean NO ONE believes anything you or Obama says anymore. It is just lies and more lies. He is one sorry person.

    • angel-wanna-be

      Enlightened One__Oh Harriet!__I want a lil’ of whatever your smokin’!__If the eonomy has picked up, I’d sure like to know where, sadly it seems the only people that are making any money these days, are the drug dealers, that seems to be the new capitalism.It’s the only thing you Liberals have regulated or taxed yet!

  • USED TO BE A LIBERAL

    Obama cannot be compared to Trudeau, although there are some similarities in background, it ends there. This so-called Health Care Bill in the U S has very little to do with health care, and far more to do with the subjugation, and control of the American people. This U S health care bill with suffocate business, and the entrepreneur, it will take control of every aspect of American life, rights, and freedoms. It will be used to circumvent the constitution, and has already been used in end run plays around the constitution, since being signed by his Highness, The great Messiah, Obama, the boom box.

    This so-called Health Care Bill, if it were anything like what Canada has, wouldn’t have been put together in secret, passage would not have to be forced, bribes would not have been needed, a few thousand pages it would not have taken, illegals would not have been covered,etc,etc, etc.

    No health care system is perfect, there are horror stories that can be found in every system. In Canada for every single horror story a person can find 10 good ones, and since the U S population is 10 times greater then Canada’s, well do the math.

    The only thing that can really be called “socialism” in Canada, is their health care, other then that, take the time make the effort, and look at the very close similarities, as to laws and social programs that were in place before Obama. Obama has gone way overboard,and needs to be stopped. He will, if allowed to continue, make Canada look like a safe haven for non socialists, non commies, non Marxists, non fascists. He will make European style socialism, look like capitalism.

    Obama’s style of “rule” can better be compared to that of Stalin, Castro, Chavez, and a few other despot dictators, and I won’t leave out Hitler, because if you look closely at the health care system of Nazi Germany, you will unfortunately find far more similarities with that one then with any other.

    Look it up, before you “bash” me, it is there, in print, compare. As a matter of fact look up all the programs and policies. Leave out the war, and the genocide, but look hard at everything else that was under the Nazi regime, and remember the Nazi Party was a left wing party, it was The National Socialist Democratic Party of Germany.

    Here you will find the likes of Acorn, the use of Unions, until he outlawed them, the take over of education, environmental laws, and programs, the famous peoples car, and government control over bussiness/the economy, etc. Oh by the way, he was the first world leader to condemn smoking, he wouldn’t allow it in his presence, and he wanted to outlaw it, but believe it or not the only reason he didn’t was because he thought it might push people over the edge, besides, the income was too good, and it also kept health care costs down, as there was no treatment for cancer patients, they just were given some pills for pain, and were allowed to die. The mentally ill just disappeared, as did the physically disabled from birth on up.

  • laura

    I live here in Washington state pretty close to the Canadian border and have seen Canadians coming here since the late 70′s .Just as an example they came here to buy milk( among many other things ) milk in Canada in the 80′s was as much as $6.00 a gallon, give or take depending on where you lived. They’ve been coming here for everything from food to health care. We ain’t seen nothing yet people it’s only going to get worse and worse.

    And a word to all you marxist, social libs, if this free health care, obama and his GANG has introduced is so DARN GOOD then why do people who live in Canada with the same kind of FREE health care come here, because it really ain’t free and it really ain’t good.

    GOD Bless
    laura

  • http://att.net Deborah

    I didn’t vote for O’bama. I know evil when I see it. This man is pure evil. I don’t believe that he has any love for our country or our people. This is a take-over of our government by a Marxist regime. People are waking up. The American people will not tollerate tyranny.

    • zack

      Deborah I did not vote for obama either. I could tell by his actions he was a crook and his grumpy looking wife didn’t feel like an American, well they are not Americans, They won’t even salute the Flag of The United States. When will all the idiots wake up and see where he is taking us.

    • JC

      There is film on youtube of Michelle (the Vampire) Obama making a speach wherin she describes her and Barry making a trip to their “homeland” of Kenya…these people are not Americans and should not be in the White House.

      • JeffH

        JC, she said it was “Barack’s homeland” and when I posted that on another link here one particular liberal went nuttso and got all twisted over it. Of course I was called a liar among other things.

      • JC

        Keep posting it. I have news articles from African newspapers from before the election calling BHO the son of Africa who might become President. The man is a con and his Presidency is a lie.

  • DaveH

    “The NEP was set up to remedy spiraling oil costs for Canadians by forcing oil companies operating in Western Canada to sell their petroleum at a discount to the Eastern provinces”.

    Isn’t it just like Government to first create inflation with their loose monetary policies and then point the finger at Oil Companies or other businesses. Quite a cushy arrangement Government has, given that most voters are ignorant on the subject of economics.

    Price inflation is not the oil companies’ faults or any other producer’s fault. It is simply a monetary matter. Too many dollars created to chase too few goods.

    As Milton Freidman said “Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless”

    Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution!

    • JC

      I’m surprised at the accuracy of your observation as regards the NEP in Canada Dave. It was a socialist wealth redistribution scheme.

      • Normal Guy

        JC

        Again commenting on things you clearly know nothing about. The NEP was a complete injustice but it had nothing to do with socialism.

        The eastern provinces where the majority of the Canadian population is had for years` refused to buy Alberta oil as the price to build the pipelines would have made the cost higher than the cost of buying cheap foreign oil. When the oil crisis hit Alberta said no problem we will just start charging international prices and reap the rewards of having world prices rise. The federal government decided that it was in the national interests of Canad to nationalize a large portion of the industry and force Alberta subsidize Quebec and Ontario who would not support the industry before the crisis.

        This had nothing to do with socialism, if anything it was about supporting big business interests but more likely just about politicians taking care of the interests that get them elected.

      • JC

        I see. A socialist is describing a socialist who implemented a socialist policy…but nothing socialist was going on and if there was, it was the fault of greedy capitalists.
        And the “eastern provinces” REFUSED to buy Alberta Oil? Really? Alberta then as now sells oil at competitive world rates so where did the eastern provices get the oil they refused to buy from Alberta?
        I call BULL! Prove that on any level.
        Trudeau was an avowed communist who saw dollars for government and expanded that Federal government into Provincial Government jurisdiction in order to “share the wealth”.
        It set something of a precedent in canada as mineral wealth had always been the purview of the Provinces. It was an outrage.
        It was also hugely unfriendly to US interests who had come in and developed the oil fields, they were sent packing and it took years to rebuild the economy of Alberta. You won’t find an oil or cattleman over 40 in Alberta that doesn’t spit at the very mention of the playboy communist.

        From Wikipedia:

        The NEP was introduced in the wake of the energy crises of the 1970s. Because of high oil prices, several economic problems that were beginning to manifest themselves through the 1970s were accelerated and magnified. Inflation was out of control and interest rates were through the roof. Unemployment was epidemic in the eastern provinces where the Trudeau government had much of its political support.[1] The NEP was designed to promote oil self-sufficiency for Canada, maintain the oil supply, particularly for the industrial base in eastern Canada, promote Canadian ownership of the energy industry, promote lower prices, promote exploration for oil in Canada, promote alternative energy sources, and increase government revenues from oil sales through a variety of taxes and agreements.[2] The NEP’s Petroleum Gas Revenue Tax (PGRT) instituted a double-taxation mechanism that did not apply to other commodities, such as gold and copper (see “Program details” item (c), below). The program would “… redistribute revenue from the [oil] industry and lessen the cost of oil for Eastern Canada…” in an attempt to insulate the Canadian economy from the shock of rising global oil prices[3] (see “Program details” item (a), below). By keeping domestic oil prices below world market prices, the NEP was essentially mandating provincial generosity and subsidizing all Canadian consumers of fuel, primarily at Alberta’s expense.[4]

        ERGO: Trudeau needed political support and money for his voting bloc.

        Well done Normal Mouthpiece you’re a proven reactionary once again.

      • Normal Guy

        JC

        Your attachment proves my point – oil prices and politics? can’t you read or is it just a comprehension issue?

        As I said, it is not about Socialism it is about the eastern Canadian production base having access to cheap oil, about the Liberals getting re-elected and about taking Control of strategic resources at the federal level.

        The NEP had nothing to do with socialism, everything to do with business and politics. Like I said. It was also a blow to the US as we had always had open access to Alberta oil. When Trudeau made it a strategic asset access was restricted, still a big issue, China now wants to buy all the Tar Sands production and are in fact in the process of contracting so that a pipeline can be built to Kitimatt BC to ship oil to Asia.

        For decades Alberta had pushed for a pipeline to the Ontario and Quebec Markets. They refused to do this because the cost of the pipeline would drive costs above what they paid to Venezuela, the middle east etc. When the NEP was brought in Albertans said about the eastern Canadians, “let them freeze in the dark” I agreed with that statement and still do. If the eastern Canadians had created access to the resource it was available, they chose not to and instead taxed Alberta to reduce the cost across the nation. Again JC you dope this has absolutely nothing to do with socialism, it was all about business and politics in eastern Canada.

  • Ronald D Johnston

    Healthcare is just the tip of the destruction obama the terroist has planned. We will be lucky if we can stop him without having a bloody revolution.

    • JC

      Indeed.

  • Kevin

    Everyone new what they where getting themselfs into when they elected Obama into ofiice now everyone get to live a life under a dictatership

    • Richard Pawley

      But they weren’t listening. The media were so anti-Bush that they would have supported Castro or Chevez if they were running in 2008! Obama is just one man. I’m sure he loves his kids as much as you love yours, even if he is ruining their future. Don’t forget that he could not do a thing unless the 111th Congress went along with it. Of course Obama’s legacy in history will be a sad one but without the complicity of congress he could do nothing. No man is an angel or a devil – though some come close – and this republic hasn’t devolved into a terminal democracy so far. Without our non-representing representatives in congress Obama could no nothing. Someone in his administration wants the trials of terrorists in NYC and it is believed by some that this is wanted to inspire another attack on NYC so the administration can declare martial law. Obama has surrounded himself with Marxists, socialists, and communists and they have long affected his thinking. Americans seem to be waking up but if they don’t vote in November then they will be just as complicit as if they supported the Marxist take over of health care. Replacing Obama is a given, but unless the Progressives in congress are replaced nothing will change except the horrible inflation (MORE than 200%) that is coming as a result of congressional trashing of the dollar and spending of money we can’t even borrow anymore. The ancient Chinese curse was, “May you live in interesting times” and the next few years are going to be among the most interesting in the history of the United States! DUM SPIRO SPERO!

      • American Citizen

        That’s what I’ve been saying, the real power lies with Congress. The present Congress, though, is implementing everything Obama wants. Our only recourse is to vote them all out come November.

      • Richard Pawley

        Yes! November is our big chance and perhaps even our last one, to save our sinking ship of state. Was it Mark Twain or Will Ropers who said, “No man’s purse is safe while Congress is in session!” By the way, I have many sources and the vast majority all seem to be saying that everyone needs to have at least a month or more supply of food, water, and everything else you use, on hand at all times. Of course, this is only sound thinking and with food prices continuing to climb and the government insisting that there is no inflation, well, just remember, that money is only worth what you can buy with it and there is no telling what fast ones the 111th Congress is going to try to put over on us in the last seven months of their tenure.

      • Richard Pawley

        That was Will Rogers, not Ropers. Sorry~

      • marvin

        that goes for all dems or rino,s an,t the internet a great tool no more abc nbc cbs cnn hln one side only ,they can not hide under there not i rock any more and just flat lie

    • American Citizen

      I don’t believe that everyone who voted for Obama knew what they were getting. Far too many voted for him because of his “CHANGE” mantra and the color of his skin. They didn’t ask what he meant by change, but those of us who have a little wisdom and really listened to everything he said and saw the people he associated with, knew him for what he is and didn’t vote for him. Hopefully, a lot of them are waking up and will vote the incumbents out this November as well as Obama in ’12.

      • laura

        A-C,

        I completely agree with you, people were blinded by his “CHANGE” and the COLOR of his skin. NO – RACE BATING – HERE – JUST THE TRUTH.
        GOD BLESS
        laura

      • marvin

        skin tone has noting to do with mind tone and the change obama was talking about is what change you have left in your pocket for he wants the bills to spread around

      • laura

        HA HA,good one,but really funny.
        GOD BLESS

      • laura

        I meant NOT really funny!!!

  • http://gmail i41

    What do the citizens of the USA think, when socialist Oidoit, said many times, he want to spread the wealth, and hates the USA.. Once a muslim communinist socialist, what do you expect to get. Once a socialist and a democrat, you get a EU communist. When dems try to say he loves the USA, by what standrads, all we hear is how evil and harmful we are from helping the world or feeding the world, he is a moron!!!

  • Mike Johnson

    To use the old expression: “if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck… it is a duck!” or, put another way, a snake in the grass, by any other name, is STILL a snake in the grass.

  • Richard Pawley

    Early this morning I received an email from a distraught retired teacher in the Western part of the United States. In part she said, “The Commies who helped pass Health No-care have signed the death certificates for their grandparents. I guess useless, non-productive elderly are too big a drain on the national budget. Of course, the fact that it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL seems not to matter….no one can stop him and his gangster politicians. However…I have a tremendous, unwavering faith in God…” I encouraged her not to lose hope and reminded her that God was doing something to allow all this to happen. Perhaps He is reminding us that in a Republic we have the right to vote and to get rid of the deadwood and those who misrepresent us in the tarnished halls of Congress in the District of Corruption. I know some have compared Obama to Hitler and even I thought that was unfair but as I pointed out in one of my books Hitler called retired people, “useless eaters” and as an early progressive George Bernard Shaw believed that every five years or so each American should appear before a committee and justify their existence, prove that they were a plus to society and not a drain OR ELSE they would be exterminated, so we can only imagine the evil lurking in the dark hearts of those who Obama has surrounded himself with on the Hill. I understand Obama’s frustration with the insurance companies that dropped him mother when it got to expensive for them and there are some good parts to the bill that just passed but giving a healthy natural vitamin with a little bit of arsenic is not the way to go. I’d rather have nothing than be forced to take that. Are we like the Israelites in the desert who longed to go back to the slavery of Egypt in that we just want to do what they do in Germany, and the UK and Greece? Are we tired of being Americans and just want some benevolent dictator to take over for us and do what is right? I hope not? I do know that forcing those to buy insurance or any product from a business of any kind is un-American. I do not know the answer but I do know that every American who does not register and vote for November’s election will have silently agreed with the those who want to replace the Constitution with the ideas of the New World Order run by the owners of the Federal Reserve Banks of the world. “DESTROY THE DOLLAR, THEN ESTABLISH A ONE WORLD MONEY SYSTEM, THAN A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. IMAGINE THE PROFIT!” seems to be their credo! Must we follow Ancient Rome to our doom, repeating all the mistakes she made, becoming so corrupt that we would rather fight foreign wars than protect our own country back home. Congress will not listen to us so they must be replaced come November or when government starts to seize more and more of what we earn there will be a tax revolt that will make the original tea party in Boston look like a Sunday picnic. If Congress is not replaced in November then it won’t make any difference who is elected in 2012, the damage will be done. Some believe it already has been as the 111th Congress has virtually bankrupted us. February’s deficit alone was more than the deficit from George Washington’s day until the end of World War II. Additionally, is anyone preparing for the Great Earthquake in Los Angeles in the next few months or will it be another Katrina times twenty! I do not believe that the God of Love wants to see the United States devolve into the dustbin of history, but we cannot continue to spit in his face, ignore his laws (which are for our own good) and then expect His help when we are being destroyed from within. May God bless the citizens of the United States. No one else is going to do so!

    • annnort

      Good post and I agree. A few good people have fought him on the Hill. The rest must go. Be sure this time we know for whom we vote!

    • usmadgirl

      Richard Pawley,

      Once again, you have hit the nail on the head, but what I’ve mentioned in many comments, I’m so concerned that we are NOT going to have the opportunity to vote or at the least have a legitimate vote in the November election. ACORN is still alive & well by another name! SEIU thugs will be out in full force along with Obama’s paid radicals & by then, maybe his well-funded, well-armed “National Security Force”. I don’t put ANYTHING past this criminal administration!

      I know that amnesty for the illegal immigrants (burglars) is close at hand & unless we conservatives allow our pets to register to vote, I’m so afraid we don’t have a snowball’s change in Hades in ridding this country of the Progressive, America-destroying vermin in Congress – Democrats & Progressive Republicans. Look how far Scott Brown’s win got us! The win that was SUPPOSED to put a stop to the health care ruse!

      I hate to sound like “Eeyore” or “Chicken Little”, but I figure if I’m pessimistic & things work out better than I expected, I’ll be happy & thankful, but if I’m optimistic & overly confident & things go to hell in a hand basket (as I see them now), I’ll be unprepared & devastated!

    • Enlightened one

      Rich …. That’s one of those stupid emails you rightys pass around the Internet … You rightys are crazy….

  • Molly Green

    I have to hold on to what the word says, (HAVE I NOT COMMANDED THEE TO BE STRONG AND OF GOOD COURAGE, FOR THE LORD IS WITH THEE.) These events that are taking place can become very over whelming, but I, myself, have to focus on the Lord, and know that HE will not forsake his own. These events are truly the signs of the end of time as we see it. WE must pray and seek the Lords direction in these trouble times.

    • laura

      Your right Molly-
      The LORD is coming and what a WONDERFUL day that will be.

      GOD BLESS
      laura

  • Glen

    Pierre Eliot Trudeau was an educated, capable man who modernized Canada, a country now significantly ahead of the United States in health care and the management of its financial institutions (Canadian banks did not need one cent of federal money during the recent AMERICAN/WORLD financial collapse). However, as things stand, it will take generations, if ever, for the United States to gain equality with Canada in these important social activities. Indeed, Americans, on the average, have become less educated and less intelligent over the past decade or two, so our local prospects are not exactly sunny.

    • Richard Pawley

      If that is true then why do Canadians still come to the USA for medical treatment (if they can afford it)? Otherwise they have to wait for months for treatment. Natasha Richardson, the late wife of actor Liam Neeson (who lives about 20 miles from here) would likely be alive today if she had had her minor accident last year in the USA where medical helicopters and CAT-SCANS are common, but where they are controlled and paid for by the government they are scarce. Of course in Canada where CAT-SCANS are rare for humans and take many weeks or months to get, a dog or cat can get one within 24 hours because customers pay for those! Evil capitalism will keep your pets alive but not your citizens! Why do so many Canadians along the border cross it into the USA when they really need a doctor? Will this new Marxist Health No-Care bill that just passed stop that and as a result some Canadians will just have to take their chances or die? I don’t know but I don’t want to count on layers and layers of bureautcrats for anything. My grandfather left Canada and moved to the US long ago as a child and while there are many wonderful people in Canada I for one am thankful that he did. The scenery in Canada is incredible but that doesn’t mean I want to emulate you in any way in regards to health. The proof that the Canadian peole are not all socialists is their renouncement of Code 51 in 2008, the UN mandated law which would have eliminated the freedom of a Canadian mother to choose vitamins and supplements to help her children unless the were approved by useless UN standards, with fines of $5 MILLION DOLLARS!
      Sorry, but I like our freedoms here, and have no desire to copy what my Canadian cousins have to put up with. God save the Queen and all that!

      • Lindy

        Dear Mr.Pawley… respectfully, your comment is totally without merit. Natasha Richardson died because she REFUSED medical attention. The paramedics that arrived on the scene were told they were not needed. It’s quite common with this type of injury, the victim feels fine, but is totally unaware of the extremely dangerous epidural hematoma that is occurring. By the time she started to feel the effects of her injury some three hours later and the fact she was over an hour away from Montreal complicated her situation, which eventually led to her death. Sadly, had she accepted the medical assistance when it was first offered, things may have turned out differently. The Canadian Healthcare system, whether it suits your politics or not, was NOT why Ms. Richardson’s died… she died because she wasn’t wearing a helmet.

        By the way its “O Canada” not “God Save the Queen”.

      • libertytrain

        You are right about her thinking she didn’t need assistance — she did what most of us would have done -

      • JC

        You’re right about Natasha, Lindy. But Mr Pawley does make a good point….pets get quicker more efficient medical treatment in Canada because it is a private industry.

      • Landcruiser

        wrong again JC,

      • JC

        No I’m not.
        See how that works…it’s automatic gamesaying.

      • Landcruiser

        I haven’t run into a problem with our healthcare system that would compare to the vet’s office I bring my pets to…only the bill at the end, but you can’t put a price on healthcare, can you? WHich is all the more reason insurance companies in the States can jack the rates to unsustainable levels, or just blatenly deny coverage to them.

    • Cy Mallinson

      April 7, 2010

      Dear Glen -

      Thank you for your comments on Prime Minister Trudeau. They bring up a couple questions that maybe you can answer.

      First, you state that Canada is now “…. significantly ahead of the United States in health care ….” My understanding is that many Canadians come to the United States for various medical procedures. Do you have a body count on the number of Canadians who have come to the U.S. for medical care during the last 3 or 4 years? How about the number of Americans who have gone to Canada for treatment? Please let me know how to obtain these statistics.

      Second, I understand that a senior Canadian political official, I believe the Prime Minister of Nova Soctia, recently went to Miami, Florida for medical treatment on his heart. Is my understanding correct? If I have this wrong please let me know.

      With respect to your comment on United States “… management of its financial institutions …”. In 1977 the U.S. Congress passed the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). It was under this CRA umbrella that Congressman Barney Frank from Massachussets, Senator Christopher Dodd from Connecticut and others were believed to “strong arm” banks and other financial institutions into making home loans to people who did not meet the financial industry credit standards. Having been built into the financial system over more than a decade, these weak loans brought on the financial collapse. Do you know if any of this is true? Please bring me up to date.

      One final point. You stated that “… Americans, on the average, have become less educated and less intelligent over the past decade …”. This can not possibly be true.

      For decades now the vast majority of American school children have been educated through public school systems. Anybody who has studied the public school systems in America, especially in inner cities, knows the unsurpassed success they have had in preparing students for the requirements of life. If you have any information that conflicts with this, please let me know.

      Best of luck to you Glen. cmallinson@aol.com

      • AJ Free

        Cy Mallinson
        As I agree with most points you made I had to add…
        Education in a whole has gone down. On a side note more females now attend than ever.
        Japan and others are about to pass us in terms of education.
        We put more people in prison today than we have college graduates.

      • DaveH

        AJ,
        I think that was Cy’s point. Our educational standards have declined due to Public Schools.

      • Hugh Jordin

        Our educational system has NOT declined because of public schools. Public schools have declined because our citizens have voted not to support them with adequate taxation and to keep teacher pay so low that many leave the profession after a few years. We are experiencing a cultural shift where education is not valued as it should be. This starts in the home with parental attitudes.

        The culture of the worship of celebrity is another problem. The media spends more time focusing on celebrity scandals than on great scientific and cultural achievements.

        Vouchers for private religious schools are not the answer. They will drain even more resources out of the public schools. If people choose to send their children to religious schools to study mythology, that is their decision and should not be paid for by tax dollars. Thomas Jefferson, one of our most brilliant founding fathers, believed that his greatest achievement was getting separation of church and state as one of the pillars of American society. (perhaps that is why the Taliban-like Texas school board is trying to write him out of text books and replace him with non-American fundamentalists like John Calvin).

        Immigration reform is also critical to improve education. In some parts of Southern California class room sizes are over 40 students with an astonishingly high percentage of illegals. It drains the teachers and US students.

        Great education is important for every member of society, whether you have kids or not. The US IS slipping behind in some areas and we have to be willing to put our wallets where our mouths are.

        If one is TRULY conservative one should want to conserve what is most important to our country… our children. We need to create an environment and a system where their minds can grow and flourish and regain American leadership in creative innovation in all fields.

        We hear a lot of talk about “an armed populace is a free populace.” Some truth here, but even more important, an educated populous is a free populace. It’s difficult for any government or group to pull the wool over people’s eyes if they know the difference between Shinola and the proverbial substance.

      • DaveH

        Teacher pay is low? You could have fooled me.
        http://dcjobsource.com/teachersalaries.html
        Keep in mind that they only work about 9 months each year.

        The job is so popular that without teacher unions and other artificial market-defeating mechanisms their pay would indeed be low. But that is because there is more to any job than just the base salary. In a free market the applicants make the decision as to what is more important to them, big salaries or other benefits (both financial and mental). In an unfree market, they get both, thanks to the meddling of Government, and the taxpayer foots the bill. Personally, I would rather have my kids taught by somebody who just enjoys the job and isn’t focused on the money.

      • DaveH

        And I don’t care if the religious schools teach mythology or not. It is a known fact that the private schools provide a better education than the public schools for less money.
        http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=1118

        I am athiest, but I would take a religious person who is making an effort to learn morality over a Thieving Liberal any day.

      • Lindy

        Dear Mr. Mallinson… for the record I don’t agree with the tone of Glen’s post nor most of the facts in his post.

        To answer your first question… please see my post earlier today at 6:05p.

        About the Premier of Newfoundland, Danny Williams going to Miami for heart surgery… it’s all how you look at it. Have you ever been to Canada in February? Where would YOU rather be in February… on a rocky, cold, windswept island in the Atlantic Ocean or in Miami, Florida?

        My guess is Premier Williams decision was based more on the ‘weather’, not ‘whether’ he could get better or faster service. (Wordplay intentional!)

        Visit the link…
        http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/23/canadian-health-care-survives-danny-williams-surgery/

        As for the rest of the your questions about Glen’s post, I don’t share Glen’s “superiority complex” about US education standards or intelligence so I can’t (or won’t) go there.

      • http://naver samurai

        I don’t see what does warmer weather have to do with having heart surgery? If he need an operation, why go to Florida? Probably because there was an available doctor who didn’t meet his monthly quotas of heart operations.

      • Lindy

        Hey Samurai here’s a couple of points (for the whole article go to…

        http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/canada/100302/health-care-danny-williams?page=0,1

        Williams was suffering from a leaky heart valve. He did not want a sternotomy, which would have required breaking bones to access the valve. For a less invasive procedure with a quicker recovery time, Williams sought out Dr. Joseph Lamelas at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami.

        Williams says Lamelas accessed his heart valve through an incision under his arm, a procedure known as the “Miami method.” The procedure is available in Canada, which has its share of world-renowned heart surgeons. But no one has done it anywhere near as often as Lamelas.
        Williams is rich.

        Before entering politics, he sold his cable company for hundreds of millions of dollars.

        Samurai… Danny Williams is a very rich Canadian, who can afford to travel to Miami to see the best surgeon in the world. Danny Williams also happens to own a condo in Sarasota. So he gets the best doctor in the world and gets to stay in his condo in Florida in February, avoiding the coldest part of a Canadian winter. Most Canadians take a winter vacation… he just happened to have surgery from the best doctor in the world (for that procedure) while he took his vacation. If you just want to ignore the big picture and just take a few facts out of context to make a political point… that’s fine with me, but you’re not fooling anyone.

      • Landcruiser

        Well, one reason Americans don’t come to Canada for medical treatment is they don’t have a Healthcard that would enable them to get treatment. Another reason could be that the U.S has all there is for medical treatments, if you can afford it, if your insurance company covers it.

    • DaveH

      Why, Glen, would we want to gain equality (whatever that is) with a country that lags significantly behind the United States in Per Capita Wealth? There is nothing Free about Socialism. The costs are just hidden from view:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

      • JC

        Amen that Dave.

      • TIME

        There is nothing “FREE” anywhere on the planet earth.
        That is unless you make {slaves} out of the persons who live in the place you get something FREE at.

        The Middle class – thats low to high or persons who make between $100K – $1 Million per year, “they have been made slaves” of the state to support the entitlement crew’s.

        You can’t be that stupid to believe anything else,
        just as we all pay a TAX on our electric bills for people that are on that ENTITLEMENT crew,
        We pay a TAX on our Phone bills for that same persons,
        WE pay a TAX on our Water Bills for them,
        For you that have Cable TV, You pay a TAX for these people too.
        On your internet service you pay a TAX for them as well.

        And on your Auto insurance you pay a TAX for them again!
        And on your home owners insurance you pay a TAX for them yet again!
        And on your property TAX your paying for them again!
        And you pay a TAX if you buy gas for your car for them again.

        And our special Government’s new HCR bill has a special TAX for them too.
        And your state Income TAX has a special TAX that goes to pay for EBT cards.

        Ok as my fingers get tired of the word TAX, the point is there is “nothing FREE,” the Middle class’s are paying for it all!

        Oh and that VAT Tax that will also be to pay for as was stated by our Government a way of paying for all the “entitlement’s.” Thats their words not mine.

        Ignorance is curable, Stupidity is fostered.

  • Jack

    Obama is worse than Trudeau ever thought about being. He is a would be dictator in the vein of Hitler and Stalin. All you have to do is look at his friends, associates, and all of his appointees. Take a further look at the legislation that has passed, and that which he wants to pass. He trashes the constitution every day he is in office.

    • DaveH

      And, if given enough rope, those “beneficial” leaders would hang us with impugnity.

    • marvin

      Jack well said YOU ARE KNOWN BY THE COMPANY YOU KEEP like putting union lawyers and union backer on the the dept of labor and a nut case as head of home land that said it is not illegal to be here undocumented

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    RECENT VIRGINIA CHURCH SERVICE -STIMULUS SERMON

    I would love to give the Pastor of this predominantly black church in Virginia a hug and a high five.
    This guy is obviously a leader and not one of the sheep.
    Perhaps we should each decide who our real leader is….. It is amazing to see that very little has changed in 4,000 years.

    Good morning, brothers and sisters; it’s always a delight to see the pews crowded on Sunday morning,
    and so eager to get into God’s Word. Turn with me in your Bibles,
    if you will to the 47th chapter of Genesis, we’ll begin our reading at verse 13, and go through verse 27.

    Brother Ray, would you stand and read that great passage for us?
    ….(reading)…Thank you for that fine reading, Brother Ray… So we see that economic hard times fell upon Egypt ,
    and the people turned to the government of Pharaoh to deal with this for them.
    And Pharaoh nationalized the grain harvest, and placed the grain in great storehouses that he had built. So the people brought their money to Pharaoh, like a great tax increase,
    and gave it all to him willingly in return for grain. And this went on until their money ran out, and they were hungry again.

    So when they went to Pharaoh after that, they brought their livestock, their cattle, their horses, their sheep, and their donkey – to barter for grain, and verse 17 says that only took them through the end of that year..

    But the famine wasn’t over, was it? So the next year, the people came before Pharaoh and admitted they had nothing left, except their land and their own lives. “There is nothing left in the sight of my lord but our bodies and our land. Why should we die before your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land for food, and we with our land will be servants to Pharaoh.” So they surrendered their homes, their land, and their real estate to Pharaoh’s government, and then sold themselves into slavery to him, in return for grain. What can we learn from this, brothers and sisters?

    That turning to the government instead of to God to be our provider in hard times only leads to slavery?
    Yes.
    That the only reason government wants to be our provider is to also become our master?

    Yes.

    But look how that passage ends, brothers and sisters! Thus Israel settled in the land of Egypt, in the land of Goshen…And they gained possessions in it, and were fruitful and multiplied greatly.” God provided for His people, just as He always has! They didn’t end up giving all their possessions to possessions to government, no, it says they gained possessions! But I also tell you a great truth today, and an ominous one.

    We see the same thing happening today – the government today wants to “share the wealth “once again, to take it from us and redistribute it back to us. It wants to take control of healthcare, just as it has taken control of education, and ration it back to us, and when government rations it, then government decides who gets it, and how much, and what kind. And if we go along with it, and do it willingly, then we will wind up no differently than the people of Egypt did four thousand years ago – as slaves to the government, and as slaves to our leaders.

    What Mr. Obama’s government is doing now is no different from what Pharaoh’s government did then, and it will end the same.

    And a lot of people like to call Mr. Obama a “Messiah,” don’t they?

    Is he a Messiah?

    A savior?

    Didn’t the Egyptians say, after Pharaoh made them his slaves, “You have saved our lives; may it please my lord, we will be servants to Pharaoh”?

    Well, I tell you this, I know the Messiah; the Messiah is a friend of mine; and Mr. Obama is no Messiah! No, brothers and sisters, if Mr. Obama is a character from the Bible, then he is Pharaoh.

    Bow with me in prayer, if you will.

    Lord, You alone are worthy to be served, and we rely on You, and You alone.

    We confess that the government is not our deliverer, and never rightly will be.

    We read in the eighth chapter of 1 Samuel, when Samuel warned the people of what a ruler would do, where it says “And in that day you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the LORD will not answer you in that day.”
    And Lord, we acknowledge that day has come. We cry out to you because of the ruler that we have chosen for ourselves as a nation. Lord, we pray for this nation. We pray for revival, and we pray for deliverance from those who would be our masters.

    Give us hearts to seek You and hands to serve You, and protect Your people from the atrocities of Pharaoh’s government.

    In God We Trust…

    You may consider sharing this with others.

    If you don’t agree … just delete.

    Have a nice day.

    • mack 460

      I believe you hit the nail on the head….nothing more need be said, as it is time for reaction for this action taking place…as barney fife use to say, nip it in the bud..

    • Richy Rich

      AMEN, Brother!
      Thanks for sharing those thoughts from that enlightened Virginia Pastor!

    • DaveH

      Very Good James.
      But I don’t have to believe there is a God to know that respecting a person’s right to retain his/her own hard earned wealth is the correct road to prosperity. To do otherwise not only diminishes our morality, it also just doesn’t work.

    • JLC

      I have seen this sermon show up on several sites over the past couple of weeks or so, and I agree with every word of it. I believe that it should be framed and hung on every wall, alongside the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. Furthermore, I couldn’t give a rat’s posterior about the color of that pastor’s skin.

    • annnort

      Excellent. I hope more Pastors are sharing that sermon. I believe they are. Thank you for sharing it with us.

  • s c

    Why the confusion? Obummer is combining elements of Adolf, Fidel, Benito, Joseph, Mao, Karl, Woody Wilson and every other self-destructive, proven failure you care to name. That way, it’s not easy to pin down Obummer’s circus to just one single approach. His boldest supporters want us to believe that because he doesn’t claim to be a Nazi, a Socialist or a Communist, his plans must be as pure or innocent as the driven snow.
    The great flaw in this is in his all-consuming obsession to make himself appear ‘innocent.’ If you’re the prez, innocent has nothing to do with it. Everything that happens when you’re in the White House will always be attached to YOU. Even HST had the presence of mind to proclaim that ‘the buck stops here.’ In Obummer’s paranoid world, he’ll take all the credit he can, but he utterly refuses to accept any blame (that’s why he relies on czars). That, in a nutshell, is how you properly define classic paranoid schizophrenia.
    Who could possibly try to deny that Adolf, Fidel, Benito, Joseph, Mao, Karl, Woodhead Wilson and many other ‘special people’ would be so PROUD of Obummer and his schemes? Kinda brings a revolutionary tear to your eyes, doesn’t it?

    • Trensky

      If Obamacare is Nazism or Marxism, so all of Europe is a much more extreme version of these ideologies. There are only Nazis and Commies who rule Britian, France, Germany Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Norway, etc, etc. South America is even wores. Were will you go to hide? Antartctica is one alternative I would recommend. Or get youself shot to the moon. P.T.

      • http://naver samurai

        I think you really need to go back to school and reread your history books. If you feel that healthcare is more important than jobs, so be it. If you don’t mind paying money to the government just to stay off this program, so be it. If you don’t mind the IRS sending agents to your door or having this new “Health Corps” come banging on your door, so be it. I believe these programs are unconstitutional and are a direct violation of the 10th Amendment. Get a job and then you can get your own insurance with what you choose to be covered. Freedom of Choice? Ah, yes. Another right taken from us by “Osama” Obama!

      • Jimbo

        If a bird or a plane only had a left or a right wing it would crash or never fly. Our American Eagle has both. Respect it and all of its people. Political hate is as bad as Religeous or Racial hate. See only GOODNESS in GOD. If you REALLY believe in GOD you have to think this way. Get a REAL LIFE!

      • http://naver samurai

        Jimbo, I agree with what you say about God. I don’t hate the man, just the illegal and unconstitutional things he is doing. I guess it doesn’t matter if he takes away some of your rights?

    • Mary

      Don’t call those monsters self-destructive people. They were blood thirsty bastards. I don’t even remember the exact number of million of souls they killed. Looks like population control is coming again.

    • Mary T.

      We have been looking at this president for over a year now…he hasn’t done one thing yet to fix anything…just made it worse…going on and on about this and that…trying to do what was done in the past and did not work. Think out of the box…do something different read the Consitution over…see where the for fathers all tried to keep the country together…praying for divine help…is the way to go. Man messes things up…have our churches do the work of social help…get the insurance companies to do their work of insurance for all who want, need…it..so we pay for all other kinds of insurnace…get the banks back to their job…let us Americans work…God Help us all…don’t do what Canada did or any other country did…we are the people…good immigrants do the work…learn the language…good night to all…

  • home boy

    once again , man has proven that he is not the answer . maybe one of these days people will wake up an finally realize that they can not survive with out gods help. the end of this system is coming . please read your bible . revelation chapters 17&18 tell it all.

    • Richy Rich

      AMEN, Homey!
      Our Founding Fathers, even as politically diverse as they were, never forgot that fact…

      • http://naver samurai

        I agree with you 100%, but when are our schools going to go back to teaching the principles we were really founded on and worry about the liberals or some special interest group?

    • http://WWW.PERSONALLIBERTY.COM. john

      WHAT CHOICE DID ANYONE HAVE AS TO WHERE THEY WERE BORN ? MAKE THE MOST OF WHAT LIFE OFFERS, THANK GOD FOR HIS PROVISION, AND HELP PEOPLE IN NEED. BE GENEROUS. BE UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM BE UNTO YOU. REMEMBER THIS GOLDEN RULE, AND THE GREAT GOD IN HEAVEN, AND THE INDWELLING HOLY SPIRIT IN “BELIEVERS”, WILL GUIDE YOU THRU LIFE TO ITS FULFILLMENT. YES THERE WILL BE WARS, AND MANY SORROWS, BUT GOD BEING GREATER THAN ANYTHING, OFFERS FREE ETERNAL LIFE IN EXCHANGE FOR YOUR TURNING AWAY FROM KNOWN SIN,AND PLACING ALL YOUR TRUST IN HIM. YOU WILL MAKE MISTAKES, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, BUT HIS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT TO GET YOU THRU.SO GO ON ASK GOD TO SAVE YOU FROM YOURSELF WHILE IT IS STILL DAYTIME, AS THE NIGHT WILL COME WHEN NO MAN(OR WOMAN), MAY BE SAVED. TODAY IS YOUR DAY OF SALVATION. LOVE TO ALL OF YOU. ITS GREAT READING SO MANY POINTS OF VIEW. JOHN FROM DOWNUNDER.

    • angel-wanna-be

      Home boy, alot of people so try to denounce God, because they think their way is better__No matter how hard these generation try to show the founders were NOt God fearing men, the more the truth is found that they were___http://www.wallbuilders.com/ __good post_God Bless

      • angel-wanna-be

        Sorry link not working, type in wallbuilders.com___Contains Original US documents and proof of the Founding fathers beliefs!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yes they were, or their would not have been “One nation under God”, or “In God we Trust”, or “So help me God”, or all men were created equal. You bet they believed in God, and they instituted belief in Him in setting up this country, the constitution and everything else. Now these anti Christ lawyers are taking Him out of everything, and I guarantee you, that because of this, His hand will be removed from us, and He will take all them away. Its coming, and its coming fast. Lawyers. How did we get so stupid as a country, to let greedy immoral lawyers have their way in running things? What big mistake.

  • Jean-Marie Bergman

    I an a happy Canadian, Pierre Elliot Trudeau has been a very effective moderniser of our country, notably by freeing the strong entrepreneurial spirit that emerges when people are free of health care expenses worries, or of quitting their jobs. We shoud soon be moving towards a guaranteed minimu icome and thus free an army of social workers to make some real money for us all. I free capitalism is to survive and all true liberals wish it to succeed, it must provide decent shock absorbers. This is someting which is understood in Canada, Western Europe Japan etc but apparently not by the Tea Parrty fringe in the great USA.

    • JC

      You’re “French” Canadian aren’t you? A noticably socialist group at any rate. Western Canadians are a great deal different than Eastern. Like night and day as a matter of fact. Western Canadians still despise Trudeau to this day…
      I know, I’m married to a girl from Alberta and have in laws there.
      They are more conservative in nature than most Americans.

      • perry

        Alberta is a fairy land with no army and thousands of miles of fortress America to protect its flanks. You don’t have the weight of war and armies. You are free to live in peace.

        Your world view is a fantasy.

      • DaveH

        Talk about a simplistic statement.

      • JC

        Now there’s a prize winning statement of simplicity, that makes no valid point whatever.

      • Lindy

        Perry? Alberta doesn’t have an army? Like US states, Canadian provinces don’t have armies either. Canada has an army… and Hillary Clinton was just in Canada begging their army to stay in Afghanistan. Alberta is a “fairy land”? You sound pretty ungrateful considering “Fortress America” gets 50% of its oil from a “fairy land”.

      • JC

        Thank You Lindy.

      • Mike

        JC:

        If you think that most Albertans are more conservative than most Americans, with all due respect buddy, you have no idea what you’re talking about! I live in Alberta and I don’t think based on your comment you’ve ever been to Canada, even though you’re married to a Canadian. The distortion on this website is unbelievable! The reason why the United States is bankrupt is the billions of dollars it spent and continues to spend in Iraq. That includes hiring private contractors for laundry, escorting their empty trucks up and down Iraq and charging them $25 a plate for food when the supply division of the Army could have done all of it for less than half the price. Dick Cheney is now spending the billions of dollars he made in his blind trust while he was VP with his interest in Halliburton/KBR. If anyone thinks that Obama is a socialist, they obviously haven’t read his books. Watch Canada recover faster and watch our dollar stay at par for the next year at minimum

      • JC

        Mike I spent a few years living in Calgary before it became the dumping ground for Canada’s eastern provinces. How bad has it gotten now? I still go to Alberta to Hunt and Fish, so maybe I’m just familiar with a different part of Alberta society?

      • denniso

        Mike…hi to Canada. You’re right,most of these people are so warped
        in their political views it’s mind boggling. Obama is trying to save capitalism and bailing out the banks and they think he’s a socialist.
        They make up all sorts of negative fantasies about Canada so that people who live there don’t even recognise it…they don’t know that Canada is doing better than we are because the banks there are highly controlled and regulated…our rightwing zealots have essentially lost their minds in their hatred for our black President. Are they all racist? No, but some definitely are and they can’t stand the idea
        of Obama being our leader. Sad….

      • DaveH

        What is mind boggling, Denniso, is that a person as ignorant as you feigns intelligence. We have a considerably higher per capita purchasing power than Canadians:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

        And I don’t think Mike wants you on his side with your caustic remarks. His comments are relatively factual, whether right or wrong, not the typical personal attacks we can expect from you.

      • JC

        DaveH, just a head’s up – the Canadian dollar surpassed the greenback yesterday for a while and is maintainnig near parity. That doesn’t mean the Canadian dollar is stronger, but that it is losing the race to the bottom.

      • DaveH

        JC,
        I had a co-worker who was on loan to a division in Canada. He was very Liberal, so he certainly wasn’t making a political statement, but he remarked that hardly anybody up there went out to eat (one of his favorite activities). Is it because they need to pinch pennies?

      • http://aol Don

        I see the socialist countries have the highest per capita purchasing power.

      • JC

        DaveH, Can’t say for sure on the penny pinching aspect. I do know that the cost of living is higher. It’s all relative somehow I’m sure.
        On another note…Its pretty cold up there a good part of the year so perhaps people just don’t want to go out in the cold so much. I called winter there “caving season”. You get up in the dark, leave the cave to go to work, work all day (miss the sun) and then go home (back to your cave) in the dark. I know I didn’t feel like warming up the car again to go out anywhere.

      • Meteorlady

        DaveH is right to an extent. I have very good friends in BC and Alberta. They hate the health care system if they have anything major. Two of my friends come here for treatment. I have talked with them about their economy and they say it is getting more and more expensive. They also say that they are paying more taxes and their wages are starting to go down. They were about 10 years ahead of us on the path to socialization but we are catching up and going over the top according to them.

      • JC

        Don says:
        April 8, 2010 at 9:42 pm
        I see the socialist countries have the highest per capita purchasing power.

        Back that up. You see it…where?

      • Landcruiser

        Dave H, where did your co-workers get placed? Restaurants in the city I live in are packed! I eat in them, way too many times, I’m trying to save a bit of cash, but the girlfriend & I get bored easily

      • http://MozillaFirefox DeeC

        Thank you! Thank you! Thank you Mike! The people on this website make me sick! Finally there is a voice of reason. Why is it that the rest of the world sees the light and not the conservative Republicans and tea party people. The Bush/Cheney administration were a self-gratifying, self-serving bunch of egotistical idiots. They were willing to put the security of the U.S. at risk to make a name for themselves in history as “protecting” . Their fabrication of the WMD facts to ellicit support for the Iraq war was a violation of implicit trust that any population would place in their president. I am glad that the Canadians and the rest of the world see President Obama as a valuable asset to our government.

      • denniso

        DeeC…hey, don’t I get some thanks too? I’ve been arguing w/ these ranters off and on for 4 months or so…late at night,early A.M….putting work and family on hold to try and straighten these rightwingers out and speak some sanity.

      • JC

        Depends who you talk to I guess. The Canadians I talk to are in lock and load mode as they wait and watch America imploding. The Canucks I talk too are stockpiling food, guns and ammunition…and see Obama as merely a passing curiosity who might take us all down.
        But like I said….depends on who you talk to.

      • Greg M.

        So why are you on a conservative web site if you don’t like the people who will more than likely be conservative? Why don’t you stay out of this web site and try the huffington post. I for one am tired of reading rants from ignorant people. It is, however, somewhat entertainging to read the thoughts of loons.

      • DaveH

        If you think like I do, that conservatives advocate the kind of Freedom our forefathers did, than I am indeed conservative. But typically, people consider right-wingers, who may or may not advocate Freedom, as conservative. I am definitely not a right-winger.
        And I agree with a previous commenter, Dee. Why are you hanging around here? Most of us believe in Freedom, which certainly isn’t a belief shared by Liberals who want to steal the hard-earned money of others and force their hair-brained schemes on others. Liberals are not nice people. You can see that in their comments, if your aren’t blinded by Liberal Zealotry.
        We don’t talk about Bush because Bush is not the President. Get it? I would like nothing better than for you and your Liberal kind to go elsewhere, so the rest of us could carry on civil discussions.

      • Swansong

        O good grief, Mike: Obama’s not Socialist, he’s a Marxist.

        Who’s the one who’s distorted??! You’re doing the same pathetic Partisan Iraq War spending WHINING.

        Look at the deficits under Obama. Facts call YOU a fool.

      • http://MozillaFirefox DeeC

        Denniso: Hi! I’m so-o sorry. You are right. I stand corrected. I agree with other people like Jean Marie too. Sh-h-h! I’ve got a good answer for that pompous DMP! I love this! It’s FUN!

      • dmp says :

        Mike/denniso:

        You don’t belong to this website. This is the home of consdervatives. You come to this house and insult all the conservatives. If you don’t like the people living in this “homesite”, we are telling you; YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE. Just because you read the OBAMA book, you ” blindly” say ” he is not a socialist?” Hang on man, wait until you see how this Obomer” transform America into the likes of ” Hitler’s ” Germany, Stalin’s Russia and Mussulini’s Italy. Try to ” dig ” more deeper into the life of your “HERO” Obamer and you will find that he , has studied the lives of those men of history, that the world ” HATED “. Just leave us alone.. Go to where you belong. Do not disturb the love and harmony we are enjoying on this ” site” our conservative home.

      • Tazio2013

        dmp; are you a bona fide retarded righty or just thinking impaired on this topic?

      • http://MozillaFirefox DeeC

        Hey DMP! I’ve got NEWS for YOU! THIS IS MY HOME! I can go where I want and do as I please. I can tour any city in OUR country including Washington D.C.. I can hold a sign supporting the Health Care Amendment in the middle of an aggressive “tea party” demonstration and be completely within my First Amendment Rights of Free Speech. I think TOLERANCE for all people and all views of politics to peacefully co-exist with any race, creed or color is the best way to live. You are definitely missing the point when you say dissenting voices do not belong on this website. OUR country’s laws and
        amendments say that its allowed. God loves this country with all its faults! INCLUDING YOU! I won’t label you as you would label someone who has different views from your own. SO-O-O when you say “GO HOME” I’m laughing! I AM HOME! AND I’M STAYING!

      • denniso

        DaveH,Greg and DMP…What a bunch of crying babies…can’t handle a little debate? I think this site is run by Bob Livingston and he can decide who is allowed here or not. If we left you people here alone all you would do is have a big,hollow echo chamber w/ the same childish ranting and whining…we hate Obama,Obama is enslaving us,Obama is a fascist,communist,nazi,socialist,Kenyan…we hat liberals,we hate gays, we hate women w/ power,we hate France,we hate Canada,we love our big guns,we love Beck,we love Limbaugh…we hate everyone who doesn’t think exactly like us.
        You people actually hate your country because it’s not exactly like you want it to be and it tolerates people you hate.
        Grow up and learn to learn, and accept that you don’t know everything,or almost nothing.

      • TIME

        DO,
        If we left you alone as we should due to your being mindless as well at best what 15 years old.
        You would burn down your mommies house, and go postal.

        So we do our part – even being as mindnumbing as it is – trying to keep you away from guns or items that you may hurt someone with.

        Now don’t go postal this week end ok do/do..

    • Robert says

      I don’t mind helping people who try to help themselves, but I do mind having to give hard earned money to drug addicts and sorry — people who want help themselves and enjoy living off others. The Govt. wants these people to have part of what the hard working people have without having to lifting a finger for themselfs to get it, so piss on these lazy ass people and piss on the Govt. too.

      • DaveH

        And the best way to help those who deserve help is at the local level by people who know the needy and help the deserving ones voluntarily. Nobody I know would let a good person starve to death. But the antisocial people might have a tough time getting that help. Government Largesse allows those who don’t treat their fellow humans respectfully to thumb their noses at their unwilling benefactors (the taxpayers).

      • albert

        Right on

      • albert

        Robert correct on both If these liberals,Progreeives= Communists want to do all these good things, they should use THEIR money Not Steel mine to do these good things.

      • Robert says

        Thanks Albert. they never had their own money it has always been stolen from people like you and me!

      • Mary

        Socialist are splendid with other people money. They are ruining this country. People died every day to get in this country nobody wants to go to Cuba. That tells something. Never subestimate the stupidity of the people. This goverment is creating a Parasite population. It’s taking us to the cleaners. The out of control expending is not mainly Irag as must of the people think. What about the over 346 BILLIONS that taxpayers pay annually for Illegal Aliens. It’s hard to believe what’s going on in this country. What a nightmare.

      • TIME

        Mary,
        Very good points, I have yet to find anyone who wants to leave and rush off to Cuba, or even China.
        At best China is holding ground now only due to the “MONEY” factors at this point, but if that money stops – I fear for the people of China as they have had a taste of what its like again after near 70 years of repression, that by the way “failed.”

        Keep in mind that the “hard line Marxist” still run China and are just waiting on an excuse to shoot down millions of people.

        Also keep in mind that in China familys are alowed to have only one child.

        This is also telling; A person making good money in China is someone making $45,000.00 + per year thats like someone here in the US making a half a million per year.

        The average worker in China makes about $3900.00 per year, that equals someone in the US making around $55K+.

        If your in the above average grouping making $6500.00 – $7500.00 plus per year, that equals a person in the US making $150K + per year.

        We have so many fools on this sight that have never been out of their mommies basement or had a job, that is other than being a full time bone head its gets confusing to onlookers who are not clear about whats going on in the REAL world – outside clan BarryO’s shills.

        Lets face it your sure not going to get any real info or news on MSN, MSNBC, or CBS, NBC, ABC, or CNN, HLN.
        Why; they are all “CULT” followers of the special Clan BarryO.

        Just look at the worthless excuses of alledged journalist who can’t ask BarryO any hard questions, or if they ask a question that BarryO avoids with spaz rhetoric, they let it pass like BarryO’s words fall from on high.

        I love it when after one of the Buffoons from the DC Belt way speaks we have to have someone like Katie Q, (who if you ever met her would know she is a Nano Witt,) – tell us what was just said; as we are all so dam stupid we can’t figure it out.

    • Enlightened one

      Jean, good post … You’ll have to excuse the answers you got from on opinion… Keep in mind these are low information Americans, not typical of the vast majority.. These people hate almost everybody and everything that doesn’t fit their very radical Anti America agenda … Very bitter vengful people… As you can see they try and use religion to condone their hate…these are the offspring of their hero Timothy McVeigh and the Kansas Baptist Rev Phelps… Try and look past them.. Most of us in America value the friendship with Canada… I find it refreshing that you support your country… salute to Canada.. And of course Salute America…

      • Enlightened one

        If you’ll notice you very seldom see anything positive about America on this site, so these America haters flock to this site to spit they’re venmon…

      • DaveH

        Your venomous attack was positive? Wow, welcome to the land of Hopes and Dreams.

      • JC

        The point you miss EO is that we aren’t here to bash “America”…just the communists that are trying to steal it.

      • TIME

        EO,
        Perhaps you should reread most of your post they reek of “Vitriol.” Thats toward anyone who dare not agree with your rather distorted views, or perhaps its just your not aware of the hate you ooze out with such pleasure.

        Your kind of like Dracula, in a blood bank, you thirst to expound Vitriol.

      • marvin

        Enlightened one says ,you fit right in with the obama bunch like pelosie /reid ,me i have no problum with canada good people or for that matter mexico but un like you i am an american citizen and do not want to try and tell the citizen of canada how to run there country and i am sure they are happy with there country and are not allowing or would they want to come here illegal by the millions as for mexico the goverment not only allows but helps millions of uneducated dirt poor to enter this country illegally so we can feed and school and house ,, my point being i don,t give a rats ass how the people of canada run there country IT IS THEIR COUNTRY TO RUN,,AS FOR MEXICO i can not feed my self and there people to

      • DaveH

        And just what is it that you are Enlightened about? Spewing nonsensical personal attacks?

      • TIME

        Dave,
        I think he may have stock in GE lighting. Oh and GE the war machine, Duh; I almost forgot that one as the light was so bright.

      • Richard

        You are so obviously a plant by Moveon.org or some other billionaire George Soros inspired anti-American, but you seem to have come to believe your own propaganda. You may be “Enlightened” in your own mind but you only show the shallowness of your thinking when like the Nazi’s in Germany you attack your opponents by accusing them of what you yourself are guilty of! Stooping to calling those who support the dumb ideas of people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and John Adams (and such like riff-raff according to you) and saying that they are anti-American because they didn’t graduate from some elitist Eastern University shows you up for what you really are, not just a hypocrite, and an elitist, but a Fabian, and someone who doesn’t really like the United States of America because it isn’t truly Socialist. In the days of Lincoln you would have been imprisoned but anything goes nowadays and anyone can say anything, true of not.
        Who was that radical who said, “Blessed are the peace makers, for they shall be called ‘the children of God’?” You would probably look down on him too. Americans are not so stupid as you and your ilk think and you are surely not attempting to create peace!

      • s c

        Inthedark, may you live long enough to be at least half as intelligent as your icons [Gore, Biden, and Canada's answer to Einstein, Jean-Marie].
        By the way, if you really view the likes of Gore, Biden and Jean-Marie as ‘intelligent,’ I’d like to know the name and address of your street vendor ‘pharmaceutical entreprenuer.’
        America needs to have that pharmaceutical wealth re-distributed (no doubt, Obummer would approve). Besides, I’ve never been on a mind-boggling high that lasts for years at a time.

      • usmadgirl

        “Enlightened one” to everything corrupt,

        Imagine that! Another “Paid Progressive Plant” who lives in “backwards-upsidedown world”! Every single word you said is the exact opposite of the views of the majority of people on this site! We know your tactics! We’re not quite as ignorant as you think we “low information American Conservatives” are! At least we’re smart enough to KNOW that our country is being taken over by radical Progressives & are standing up expressing our rights of free speech (while we have them) & trying to prevent it. The Canadians evidently allowed it to happen. I have no concern how Canadians want to live, but this is NOT Canada. If you want to live in Socialism, you just go right ahead & move there & leave free Capitalist USA alone.

        You are a disgusting liar, but I don’t HATE you! I feel sorry for you, because you’ve been so blinded by the promises of “freebees” that you don’t know you’re the very one being enslaved! If you actually ARE an American, you & all the others who want to change the Republic into a Socialist or Marxist country are sad excuses for Americans & don’t deserve the Liberties implemented by our founding fathers!

      • annnort

        Well said!!

      • denniso

        You people think that anyone who disagrees w/ you is a paid plant…how absurd. You really don’t have a clue how many of us regular,reasonable people there are in our country…you’re deluded by watching Fox and listening to morons like Limbaugh,Beck,Savage…

      • Mary

        Excuse me Dr. SAVAGE is a brilliant man. We need more people like Dr. SAVAGE to rescue this country. All the media ignore him because they are jealous of him.
        I’d love to watch Dr. SAVAGE in a debate with any person in the media believe me he has no match. He is fast and brite. That’s why nobody invite him. He tells it as it is. HE IS THE REAL GREAT AMERICAN.

      • denniso

        Wow!!! You love Savage? I’ve listened to the filthy mouthed demagogue many times and all he does is spit out hate,intolerance and lies…I feel sorry for you for your blindness toward Savage. Doctor??? sure, a doctor of hate…

      • TIME

        DO
        Prove one thing that Mr. Glenn Beck said about BarryO or any of his gang of thugs thats not true.

        Mr, Beck uses all their own words to display to anyone who has a single brain cell that still works that the Clan BarryO thugs are not what they project themselfs to be to the mindless ones amoung us, I am not saying your mindless, just you have no mind.

      • Hugh Jordin

        Glen beck’s opinion on anything isn’t worth the contents of a colostomy bag. He is an ACTOR spewing out the bile his employers think will get ratings from the ignorant so they can sell advertising.

        If MSNBC offered him a better deal he would suddenly become a liberal.

      • TIME

        Hugh,
        You don’t know that now do you, thus you spew more VITRIOL.

        Glenn Beck uses these persons own words that your obviously not able to understand that. So hows mommies basement working out for you?
        Oh thats right you still have a few more years of high school left now don’t you.

      • Normal Guy

        Time

        There are hundreds of examples of Becks lies just do a quick google search. Here is a favorite of mine that is basically Beck showing how he completely flipped on his opinion of the US healthcare system.

        Basically the monster lie regarding his poition for the last two years. Pretty funny clip. Enjoy.

        http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/14/beck-railed-against-health-care-system/

    • marvin

      Jean-Marie Bergman i am so glad for you ,but i think we fought a few wars for the right to be americans citizens and not subjects to his hign nus obama and his far left and the differance is we as citizens can look him in the eye and vote him [them] out, as a subject you can bend over and hope they will use a lube

    • DaveH

      Sure Jean,
      Socialism has worked so well for Cuba, USSR, China, Argentina, and Venezuela.
      That’s a good one – People freed from healthcare worries are going to work harder and if you artificially raise their wages through the force of Government, they are going to work harder. Sure. I know of nobody personally, who has not milked any benefits such as unemployment benefits to the very end. People work less when guaranteed sustenance. That is a fact that has been proven throughout history. Only people who base their logic on Hopes and Dreams can think otherwise.

      • marvin

        DaveH,, well said my friend that is the differance in a helping hand [only when needed] and a handout[you owe me]

      • denniso

        Here I thought that China was about to take us over, and you say they aren’t doing well??

      • DaveH

        There you go showing your Liberal ignorance Denniso. The GDP of China is about $7.1 trillion. The GDP of the United States is about $13.8 trillion. The population of China is 1330 million. The population of the United States is about 310 million. So with more than 4 times our population China creates about 1/2 of the gross domestic product that the US creates. Hardly comparable.

      • DaveH

        Of course, if the ignorant Liberals lead us down the path that they desire, China may very well catch up with us.

      • denniso

        Sorry to have to explain my facetious comment to you…I know of course that we still have the largest economy in the world,you’ve just helped me make the point to these righties that we are still on top…we hear from some of these people,maybe you included, that China is the new boogeyman out to get us and holds our very lives in their commie hands…thanks for doing the ‘math’,now maybe you can explain to some of the more feeble here what it means…we have not collapsed,we’re on top economically and we still run the world more than any other single country. All that,despite the evil plans of the
        liberals and progressives and Obama…

      • DaveH

        Damn, Denniso, that was a low blow. I mean agreeing with me. I think I need a drink.

    • MikeC

      JMB,

      I spent Easter with 4 couples from former Communist Poland, and they laugh at your nonsense. It’s a wonder they didn’t stay, based on your unfounded contrived statements! Come, again! I’m friends with a Dr. from Canada, and there is no doubt why he came here to practice brain surgery at UCLA! Seems there’s a shortage of brains where he’s from!

      Enlightened, you are not! Being from a family that values hard work and no free lunch, I’m not following you! I’ve worked since I was 12, and have never taken Social programs by the hand! They work great for the vast 60% that would sit on their lazy arse, and the Facists that use it to grow their power! You are a pawn and an embarrassment to American values! Go back to where your ancestors once came, and enjoy the desperation they once felt! No one deserves it more than you!

      I’m sure there are a few co opting this site! Why would you come here to debate, yet to try “divide and conquer” tactics! It’s becoming clearer by the day! Because, you are as unAmerican as fishsauce!

      • Mary

        Please tell me you are wrong I cann’t believe we have 60% of Loosers Potheads Parasites in this country. It’s painful. They shouldn’t VOTE. What a disaster.

      • denniso

        How idiotic can you people be??

      • laura

        JUST FOLLOWING YOUR LEAD…..denniso

      • Mary

        You’re just a waste of Oxygen. As all the Liberals in this country. When a country loose their borders, language and morality. Loose freedom and everybody who has just two inches of forehead can see where the leftists are taking this country. There is no doubt that a cleaning is need it. Nobody tells me who is who I have lived between all kind of goverments and I can tell you for sure the leftist are the worst. For my experience they are the children of Hell.

    • http://naver samurai

      I don’t know who taught you to spell, but try using spell check next time. I don’t know how it is in Canada, but here this health care bill will be a disaster. $95.00 a month to opt out of it and pay up to $1200.00 a month to be on it, not having as good a coverage either. Did you know that it also hires another 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce the paying of these fees? There is also another section that covers creating a “Health Corps”. This will be sort of like a civilian paramilitary group designed to force people to do things on the program or force them to join. If the program in Canada is so good, as you say, why do so many of you come to the U.S. for medical treatments? Why is your government practically bankrupt because of its implimentation? If you can give me some good answers, along with sources to back it up, I would be amazed.

      • Lindy

        Honest debate requires honesty. Both the Canadian and American systems offer excellent treatment and care and both systems have obvious short-comings. However, this debate isn’t about healthcare it’s about politics. That being said, there are two statements that that I don’t think are true…
        1. “…why do so many of you (Canadians)come to the U.S. for medical treatments?

        “Unfortunately, this persuasive image of Canadian refugees survives in a virtual vacuum of evidence. How many Canadians actually head to the United States to seek medical care that they cannot obtain, or are unwilling to wait for, in Canada? What kinds of services do they receive? Where do they get these services, and how do they pay for them?”

        “U.S. ambulatory facilities survey. Almost 40 percent of the facilities we surveyed reported treating no Canadians, while an additional 40 percent had seen fewer than ten patients (Exhibit 1 ). Fifteen percent of respondent sites reported treating 10–25 Canadian patients, and only about 5 percent reported seeing more than 25 during the previous year (generally 25–75 patients; none reported more than 100).”

        For the entire report… http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/long/21/3/19

        Oh, by the way, one of my teammates got a pretty deep cut while playing in a hockey tournament in Hallock, Mn. He drove back to Canada for “free” stitches. Sure it’s anecdotal evidence, but it is contrary to your original statement.

        I doubt you’ll “be amazed” but it is the information you’re looking for.

        2. The Canadian government might be running a deficit, but it’s NOT just because of Universal Healthcare.

        Hey… the systems are different. But if you want my neighbourly view… I think Mr. Obama’s cure for whatever problems you have are worse than the sickness. Whatever the case… best of luck!

      • http://naver samurai

        Well, if you don’t mind waiting for months just for something that is supposedly free ($95.00 to opt out and up to $1200.00 for coverage). I remember my father serving 32 years for this country and he always tols me the best way to get things is by earning them. This healthcare is unconstitutional and is a direct violation of the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. When are you goning to wake up and realize that it is illegal? There are more states filing with courts to stop it. I think Minnesota may file also. Just because some of you would rather get handouts and not be a good American. Remember we were built and preserved by people who refused things like this. We have to teach our younger people that they have to earn their right to be called an American and this means by hard work and paying for what you need. I hope that you realize that sometimes the best things aren’t free.

    • dmp says :

      Jean-Marie Bergman :

      Go home to Canada. America don’t need anymore OBAMATIC supporter. We have enough problems here caused by The Leftist-Liberal Democrats who wants to give America away to “Illegal Aliens “, the lazy-welfares and Democratic Politicians, who are “unpatriotic “.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I will put our free market and our business success up against yours anyday pal. Anyday. Kind of like the Montreal Expos in baseball. They fared real well, as long as other teams were feeding them money to stay alive. Kind of like Obama care before the fact wasnt it. Your way of living pales in comparision to ours. Oh yeah, and if your medical is so great, Im just curious as one can be to know, just why people that live up there, come down here and pay out of their own pocket to have surgical procedures here, when its all free up there. Just exactly what is up with that? If it is so great, why does this happen again and again and again. Ive yet to have someone adequately explain to me that how something up there that is free is so great like SOME of you claim, yet thousands come down here and willingly pay for it. Someone is fooling themselves, is all I can see.

      • Yemez

        Barbaroni you are one uniformed individual….for one thing, bringing the Montreal expos in on this proves you are daft when it comes to learning the world outside yours…as for rich canadians going south for treatment, well if you can afford it, why not?! But, what would you say to Americans who can’t afford healthcare or get denied coverage due to “pre-existing” conditions, try and get treatment in Canada? Sadly though, they get turned away because they don’t have a healthcard. As far as living standards go, well, I have a house with a mortgage, 2 vehicles, a blue pickett fence ( although I’m thinking of repinting, maybe a nice earthtone, but I digress) anyway, the Montreal expos lost fan support, it is too bad, they were a good team.

      • Landcruiser

        whoops, I misspelled your name there Beberoni, not intentional

  • naturalist

    Years ago, American Opinion magazine had an article on how Canada became communist. It is worth reading again today.

  • JC

    The US is passing Canadian Socialism at breakneck speed. A better question would be is the US surpassing Nazi Socialism?

    • BigBadJohn

      Please do try to get definitions correct. The current administration may have socialist leanings, but the previous administration were the Nazi’s.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
      Nazism was a far right form of politics
      Post-World War II Nazism (neo-Nazism) has adherents in several countries around the world, although it remains a fringe movement. The ideology, iconography, and literature of Nazism are now outlawed in Germany and some other European countries. In Europe and North America, the term Nazi and affiliated ideas and symbols denote and connote white supremacist racism. – (that sounds like a good percentage of the folks who post here).

      http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERnazi.htm
      In April, 1920, Hitler advocated that the party should change its name to the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). Hitler had always been hostile to socialist ideas, especially those that involved racial or sexual equality. However, socialism was a popular political philosophy in Germany after the First World War…..

      Hitler, therefore redefined socialism by placing the word ‘National’ before it. He claimed he was only in favour of equality for those who had “German blood”. Jews and other “aliens” would lose their rights of citizenship, and immigration of non-Germans should be brought to an end. (this sounds like the rights cry to deport all aliens)

      • JC

        I see Nazi’s as far left. No matter where you place them the parallels are uncanny in that the intantions of the Nazi’s and today’s “progressives” are completely evil.

      • Jimbo

        I suppose you see Skinheads as leftist too? Get a life!

      • denniso

        j c…you see leftists as nazis because you don’t know what you’re talking about. You should try reading some political philosophy.
        I wonder which party,right or left,repub or dem, you think is more eager to lock an American away for decades for marijuana possession??
        I wonder if you remember that it was Nixon who began the ‘war on drugs’ that began the fascist tatics and absurd sentences for mild
        drugs like pot? Do you know that the Dem Carter backed off on the ‘war’ and then the rightist Reagan came in and ramped it up again?
        The revived ‘war on drugs’ locked away kids and others for life for
        possessing a pound of pot. No, you don’t remember or haven’t read about it? Well, it’s fact. The drug war is the most nazi/fascist like aspect of our ‘free’society and it’s supported mostly by the rightwingers. I wonder why those rightwingers who think that Obama is
        fascist don’t seem to worry about the extreme loss of civil liberties and the connections to the private prison industry that the idiotic drug war gives us?
        I also remember the rightists Cheny/Bush using federal police chasing med marijuana users down in states that had legalized it.
        Your a reactionary who can’t think clearly because your blinded by your personal ideology. Think about it….

      • JC

        No I see skinheads as morons. I see you as a moron too, for totally twisting my words…that also puts you firmly over the “left horizon”.
        If only you lefties were actually capable a reasoned thinking you might actually get some respect for your views. I won’t bother repeating this for dennso.

      • denniso

        J C…you don’t answer or address a specific point,do you…Do you think that Cheny/Bush were not using fascist tactics in their mad pursuit of more power? Do you really think that Obama is fascist like in trying to save our entire system from collapse?
        Now, i agree that forcing people to buy ins from private corporations is draconian and i want it changed,but the rest of the healthcare bill
        is only trying to fix a terribly broken system that is bankrupting people and the country.

      • JC

        denniso, to answer your question specifically “Yes I do”. Would you please stop assuming that everyone who opposes your oppressive moronic leftist views is automatically a Bush Republican. I am a Libertarian who believes in the US Constitution and the framework laid out by our founding fathers. As far as I’m concerned the whole system is rotten beyond repair and needs to be torn almost completely down and rebuilt. And I don’t believe this effort will require the kind of help you and whole lot of Republicans have to offer. You’re ALL big government control freaks. I’m an American, not a serf.

      • denniso

        Why do I assume that these people demonizing Obama and liberals were supporters of Cheny? It’s obvious,isn’t it? These trashers of Obama never had an ill word to say about Cheny/bush,for all the ill they did,and they still don’t. I don’t see you including Cheny in your rants about federal power running amok…listening to you and the others it’s only Obama/Dems who want to enslave and control you. If you want credibility in your criticism of Obama then make it broader
        and include people like Reagan,Nixon,Bush…or else your only showing partisan bias.

      • JC

        denniso, that’s because I live in the “now” with an eye to the future. The past is gone and is no excuse for even worse behaviour.

      • denniso

        There is no such thing as politics in the ‘now’. W/o history to give some needed context there is no way to determine the value or worth of the present…there is no such thing as an absolute and the past is like a guidepost for the future.
        Maybe you sound like a reactionary because you don’t care where the country was before now on issues like civil rights,slavery(talk about
        tyranny for a whole group of people),women’s right to vote,child labor, no environmental protection and more. We have come a long way
        from a past that wasn’t so great in many ways.

      • Hugh Jordin

        Nazis are far RIGHT. You put them on the incorrect end of the political spectrum.

      • coal miner

        Hugh Jordin,

        You are absolutely correct.Fascism is on the far right.JC better go back to school.Nazis hate communist and socialist. Hitler said they were Jewish inventions of the left.

      • TIME

        No your both quite wrong they; as in Nazis are on the far left, your ignorance fails to make it anything else.

        Learn something other than the trash thats been printed in the last 40 years. Read read and then read more.

      • Norm

        time
        The ideologies associated with the far right are fascism, Nazism, racial supremacists (especially neo-fascists and neo-Nazis group), religious extremists, and other ultra-nationalist or reactionary ideologies and movements. The terms are often used to imply that someone is an extremist.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

      • JC

        Coal Miner wants to give political lessons? Listen up CM:
        NAZI stands for National Socialist. Socialism is a leftist ideology.
        Good Lord but you are misinformed. No wonder the world thinks we’re idiots.

      • Normal Guy

        SC

        Your simplistic rationalization is as usual on this thread, wrong. So you think that because the fascists known as Nazi’s called their party the National Socialists that that puts them on the left side of the political spectrum. So let’s look at another favorite point incorrectly made on this thread – America in not a Democracy but a republic (not mutually exclusive by the way) – The Chinese nation is called what? “The Peoples Republic if China” – must be the same as the US I guess it is a republic? How about the Republic of Cuba, oh I love this one “The peoples Democratic Republic of Korea” for North Korea (that’s the bad one you know the axis of evil). So north Korea must be a legitimate democracy, right it’s in the name must be???

        Anyhow SC your position that if it has socialism in the name it must be socialist (you do think socialism is on the left of the political spectrum – don’t you?) then all the companies in the world that are being slammed for doing environmental damage could just add environmentalists to their name and presto no more problem, they would instantly transform into environmentalists – it’s in their name must be true??

        There are definitions and meanings to all the terms that get thrown around, simplistic, uneducated, misinterpreted ideas of the tags just shows how little you understand of the topic. You certainly have strong beliefs; you just don’t know anything about the topic.

        Here is a good site describing the start of Fascism in Italy – when you read it, try to understand that when you take communism to the extreme it becomes totalitarianism, when you take right wing politics to the extreme it becomes Fascism which is Totalitarianism. Extreme right and extreme left are both about state control. Incidentally, the Chicken Little’s should note that this is certainly not the path that the US is on, all you extremists on this site need to learn something and grow up.

      • Normal Guy
      • TIME

        No Norm,
        I am not wrong – I know more about the Nazi’s that you will ever beging to grasp. I have studied world history from the 1840 – 1960 periods, thus when I say that there is {NO as in ZERO differance between Marxist and Nazi’s} I mean just that.

        So what ever twisted rhetoric you have read or find on line is 100% total BS from stem to stern.
        Most of whats on line is quoted from persons not unlike yourself – ones with “OPINIONS” with zero to support them.

        This rather telling quote from Adolf Hitler says it all.
        “Marxist are our brothers in our strugle, we are them, they are us.”
        But in the case of building a strong united Germany – the common thread that Marxist have in Germany now are the Jew’s – so we must use them as our enemy, as the Jew’s are the enemy of the German people.
        From; My Strugle.

        Its rather strange that you also never hear that the German Karl Marx was Jewish, and yet he hated Jew’s.
        He was also in a group called the Thule Society, and yes its much older than 1880;s date tossed out there as when it started, it was really started in 1840, and the symbol used was the sun wheel swastika.
        But why let fact get in the way of a good BS story.

      • Normal Guy

        Time

        You are wrong. I was a history minor, took lots of macroeconomics as well and have traveled extensively in Europe and parts of the former Soviet Union speaking with friends and associates about the history of their countries, it is an interest of mine. First definitions – Fascism is ultra nationalism, the state first, everything subjugated to the state. Marxism is the middle labor class rising against the system in order to bring true equality to all and give all production and property to the community as a whole, giving more control to the masses as opposed to the individual. They are opposites.

        You are completely wrong, your garbage concerning Thule, Swasticas etc blah blah… has nothing to do with these theories or the history. Site me any academic reference that verifies your position regarding Marxism and Fascism. One will do.

        Ignorance and anger is a dangerous thing, it is what propagandists use to initiate the hate they require to move people to their extreme causes, this is why this site worries me; lots of ignorance, lots of anger, lots of hate based on extreme unsubstantiated viewpoints. Political science, political philosophy is not “online” it is academically defined, easy to learn about.

        Oh and by the way your quote of Hitler is bogus here is a quote from Mein Kampf (which means my struggle not my plan by the way). Hitler thought that Marxism was the “world pest” democracies to weak to stop it.

        “Only those credulous parliamentary wizards who represented bourgeois democracy could have believed that the brutal determination of those whose interest it is to spread the Marxist world-pest, of which they are the carriers, could for a moment, now or in the future, be held in check by the magical formulas of Western Parliamentarianism. Marxism will march shoulder to shoulder with democracy until it succeeds indirectly in securing for its own criminal purposes even the support of those whose minds are nationally orientated and whom Marxism strives to exterminate. But if the Marxists should one day come to believe that there was a danger that from this witch’s cauldron of our parliamentary democracy a majority vote might be concocted, which by reason of its numerical majority would be empowered to enact legislation and might use that power seriously to combat Marxism, then the whole parliamentarian hocus-pocus would be at an end. Instead of appealing to the democratic conscience, the standard bearers of the Red International would immediately send forth a furious rallying-cry among the proletarian masses and the ensuing fight would not take place in the sedate atmosphere of Parliament but in the factories and the streets. Then democracy would be annihilated forthwith. And what the intellectual prowess of the apostles who represented the people in Parliament had failed to accomplish would now be successfully carried out by the crow-bar and the sledge-hammer of the exasperated proletarian masses – just as in the autumn of 1918. At a blow they would awaken the bourgeois world to see the madness of thinking that the Jewish drive towards world-conquest can be effectually opposed by means of Western Democracy.”
        Adolf Hitler – Mein Kampf – Volume Two – The National Socialist Movement
        Chapter I: Philosophy and Party

        http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch01.html

        You and the other simple minded angry haters on this site sound more like Hitler than Jefferson, get off the conspiracy sites and learn some real history.

      • keith

        you ever call me a nazi to my face and i’ll knock your face to the far right bub!
        i served and retired from the marine corps,i’m a conservative and a patriot and my father fought the those friggen socialist scumbags in ww-11 sh*t for brains and some day you’ll run off the mouth in front of the wrong american numbnuts!
        to hell with all these self serving scumbags we got in washington now,they ALL need to be voted out NOW!!!!!!
        ALL THE MARXISTS,COMMUNISTS,SOCIALISTS,AND ALL WHO WISH TO PERVERT THE CONSTITUTION.
        yeah i am a patriot and your friggen idol in washington is closer to a socialist nationalist than you know,or maybe you do know and just don’t give a damn.either way your a moron of the 1st degree,second thought let me clarify that,your a moron of the 2nd degree,obamass takes 1st place!
        VOTE EM OUT THIS NOV!!!!!!!

      • coal miner

        JC,

        Wrong,according to webster dictionary Nazism and fascism are the ideologies of the extreme right.Communisn and socialism are on the extreme left.They are two opposite poles.They both hate each other.

      • http://naver samurai

        I don’t think we should deport all aliens, just the illegal ones.

      • dmp says :

        denniso:

        You are exposing your true LEFTIST color and Obamatic affiliations. You are attacking the rightist because you said they are wrong and you are supporting the LEFTIST because they are right. How could you call right wrong and the wrong right? ARE YOU CONFUSED? OR ARE YOU TRYING TO CONFUSE THE RIGHT? You’re talking about drugs without sense at all. ARE YOU OK? DO YOU NEED HELP?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        denniso is a dipstick. You have to have read some of his/her other posts and you would know that. He has a left wing liberal agenda that he wants to hatch on all of us. In his eyes, the left can do no wrong, even though in reality, they take money from the working and give it to the lazy. They kill unborn babies in their mothers womb, and now have even stepped that up to where they are using our tax payer money to fund these abortions overseas for third world countries. They put gays on pedestals and promote butt bumping your buddy as normal, while kicking God out of schools, works, business and the government, and then while it all falls apart, they point the finger at Bush who has been gone well over a year now. Thats how these worthless immorals on the left see things. That is why they cant see it coming when their worthless butts are getting voted out of office in 2010 and 2012. Question is, how are they going to blame all their losses on Bush when this happens, because they can never accept responsibility for what they do. There always has to be someone to blame when your on the left like dumbnisso.

      • keith

        that goes for obama as well.i STILL have’nt saw undeniable proof he’s even a american citizen yet.he’s a friggen proven liar and every thing he says is pure unaldulterated lies.he needs to be first to be deported and i’d be first to boot em in the ass to help him on his way!

      • Swansong

        Fascism & Socialism are 2 rails of the same track. Glenn Beck actually described this very well recently – his delivery is often quirky, but I have to hand it to him when he hits the nail on the head (he does so regularly!)

        Both push the State as the “solution”: oppression of the masses by the State. Oppression can come from either side, but they both have Marx as their source.

        America WAS on a different track, but apparently we’ve decided government dictate, oppression & all-encompassing “rights” are want we prefer.

        American idiots, you had GOLD & you haven’t even taken a sniff of the dung you just traded it for… WAIT until you do.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You cant use Glenn Beck’s name when your trying to get things across to those on the left. You see, Glenn speaks the truth, and they just will not accept the truth no matter what, so they hate him, and reject everything he says. That is what you are dealing with, when trying to get things across to the liberal left. They dont want to hear the truth. They want nothing to do with it.

      • keith

        yep,could’nt have said it better!

      • dmp says :

        BigBadJohn/denniso/HughJordin:

        Everybody noticed that you three(3)are experts on Socoalism/Nazism. Are members of this party? Are you also members of the Obamatic party of Hitler/Stalin and Mussulini? For your your informations, this website is a conservative site. This website is their home where they express their love of country, love of American traditions. We do not want any ” socialist ” to disturb the love and harmony in this house. We do not want the beautiful picture of this website painted ” BLACK ” with attacks from the liberal lefts.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are so off base. Put down the crack pipe. The only thing that is big and bad is your perception of the truth.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        This was for so called bigbadjohn.

      • Ideb

        Nazism is socialism taken to the nth degree. Think about it, to have a socialized society, governments must force the general population to comply. They take wealth by force to redistribute to those they deem desrving. Nazi’s do the same, use force and more. We are already a police state if you are willing to peak through the fog you will see this to be true. Our behaviour is almost totally regulated. Because this has happened under the guise of protection most people have not realized that their freedom of choice has been vastly diminished. We are in trouble, unless we wake up!

    • JeffH

      Once we had Ronald Reagan, Bob Hope & Johnny Cash. Now we have Obama, No Hope and No Cash!

      • TIME

        Funny how many French Canadian’s came to the US to live right around that time.
        It was just a funny thought I had as I read this thread. I know a number of them that live around the US a few here in NY, some in NC, GA, FL, SC, even a few in Calie.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Jeff, I say to you one thing. BRILLIANT!

      • keith

        damn that was good!!!!!!!

    • http://Google Francis

      I like reading your article a lot and for different reasons. A time in every nations history, serves that time’s purpose good or bad. And so can be said of Pierre Elliott Trudeau.

      To compare the Canadian Health Care system to socialism is absurd and ignorant. There are provinces in the west of Canada, (just like the other person has said), that like to behave like American Right Wing but dare talk about taking away their health care and you’re in for a bloodied fight. with them. Right now, Canadians have a conservative government who will not talk about abolishing the health care system that they have. Are you suggesting that the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada a socialist party?

      There should be a serious debate about a first rate country like the US, with the first rate medical technology, with a third world health system. This, I think is a national shame.

      Canadians have an enviable, strong regulatory financial system in place which is the world which may be misinterpreted by Americans as a government takeover or control. The benefit of that is the opposite of the meltdown we have seen in the US.

      For the US to come from the Clinton era with a budgetary surplus to become a beggar nation, needs some honest soul-searching.

      And all this nonsense talk about socialists taking over; the US under eight years of conservative government started borrowing money from the communists. People need to wake-up and smell the coffee. You sold the country the day you borrowed money from China. By the way, that was not last year, and that was not by Obama either.

      FunF

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        If you think we had a budgetary surplus with Clinton, you need to look again. I mean, if you want to consider in the ramifications that he cut our military in half and intelligence in thirds, thus leading directly to 9-11, the next admin having to spend to bring the military and intelligence back up to snuff. The collapse of the banks, due to Bill Clintons so called American dream that everyone should have a house, even if the government has to back the bad bank loans to people who didnt have a prayer in the world of paying it back. If you believe in smoke and mirrors, you can buy that. But Ive studing this stuff, and really took a look at it, and this guy is still costing us today. Dont you be fooled by slick Willy for a moment. He made it appear to be balanced, but I assure you, it was far from it. Its called cooking the books. He mastered it, while at the same time trying to steal the furniture from the White House. Amazing isnt it.

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