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Gun Rights Foes Hope To Stir Opposition Against Three Gun Bills In Virginia

March 23, 2010 by  

Gun rights foes hope to stir opposition against three gun bills in Virginia Four gun violence prevention organizations have called on Virginia Governor McDonnell to veto three gun bills currently on his desk that they believe would put state residents at greater risk of gun violence.

The Virginia Center for Public Safety (VACPS), the Virginia Chapters of the Million Mom March, Protest Easy Guns (PEG) and the Angel Fund have issued a statement saying that signing SB 334, SB 408 and HB 1217 would violate the governor’s earlier declaration that "the foremost obligation of government is public safety."

SB 334 would allow concealed carry permit holders to bring loaded handguns into establishments that have a liquor license in Virginia, SB 408 would allow those without concealed carry permits to keep loaded handguns in their vehicles or boats if stored in a locked container, while HB 1217 requires the Virginia Board of Education to establish a standardized program of gun safety education for students in elementary school.

With respect to this last bill, the coalition referred to "numerous" studies that demonstrate that familiarizing children with guns makes them more likely to handle firearms when adults are not present.

"The governor talks about the importance of public safety, but in practice he has cut millions of dollars in public safety funding from the state budget and supported a number of dangerous changes to Virginia’s gun laws," said VACPS board member Lori Haas. "Commonwealth families now have one last chance to hold him to his word and insist he veto [these bills]."

McDonnell has until April 12 to make his decision.
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  • American liberal

    .. I can’t see the 2nd amendment here being overturned…and I agree, we have the right of selfdefense…I like my guns but their always locked up untill we go target shooting or wild animals are stalking my animals.. …I’m 10 miles from the nearest town and I work away from home so my wife needs protection… Those reasons are why I have weapons.. And I have no need to take them to a bar..

  • blackhat

    Wait a minute…Maybe I am off base, but I thought that any business can post a sign saying that guns would not be allowed. I mean, seriously, if a particular bar does not want concealed weapons, then post a sign, and say, “not here”. This is simply a matter of deregulating the obvious. Imagine that! In America the owner of any business has the right to allow, or disallow concealed weapons. And, in that same America an individual citizen has the right to carry, or not carry. And, the government stays out of it all…What a great country!

    • JeffH

      blackhat, life would be so much simpler if the libs wouldn’t complicate things.

      • JeffH

        Another small but meaningful point. If the liberals would cease and desist, think of all that money that could be saved and used in the economy rather than going to the fight for our freedoms. Just amazes me! Stupid is as stupid does!

    • obiwan

      Blackhat,
      Establisments can put up a sign and ban guns from their business.
      A good friend of mine has a ready made sign for them to post:

      “Dear criminal,
      the patrons of this establishement
      have been disarmed for your safety. Enjoy!
      The Management

  • American liberal

    Look at it like this… We can even have civil conversations about politics on the Internet and you want to mix guns and booze in a bar?…I could see it now…. Gun fight in a bar.. Argument over politics..

    • JeffH

      ..and I can see it this way…American liberal beaten in a bar that prohibits guns for spewing his liberal anti-gun rhetoric to a group of local gangsters from the Kiss my Juevos gang, who offer protection for a fee agains liberal lies.

      • JeffH

        …forgot, arguement over politics…

      • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

        To the commie liberal A$$ wipe pretending to be an American;

        The only time we have arguments on this blog is when liberal a$$ wipes like you come on here and spread your anti-American crap you liberal slug!
        If you ever opened you socialist pie hole in a bar and started spewing your left wing schit diatribe, I wouldn’t need a gun to shut you up. I would use my fists, my boot, a beer mug, an ash tray, a pool cue or any of a dozen other things at hand. Trouble is I would probably have to get in line, and there wouldn’t be much left of you when it was my turn. My best advice to you is stay the hell out of Oregon if you are expecting a long life!

        Essen scheist betont sterben dich kommumismus mutterlich feucher!!

      • Joe H.

        Stephaan
        there’d be a line out the door and down the street!!!! Just let em’ know he wants to take their guns!!!! Lord have mercy on his soul….Cuz his azz is theirs!!!!

      • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

        Joe;
        I doubt that the Liberal that uses American in his name has ever been in a bar. If he has, it was probably a gay bar where he felt safe. If he ever has been in a real bar, he probably went once and never went back due to being scared shi*less out of his mind.

        BTW I’m about 99% sure that he is “the Daniel” from the other blog, and Dylan concurs. If you remember the only way we got rid of him over there, was to NOT talk to him, or answer him directly. If you want to comment on some ignorant point he has made, MAKE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT HIM, TO ANOTHER POSTER. Don’t answer him directly, and he will eventually go away. If he’s not getting our attention, he will morph into the 10 year old and go elsewhere looking for adult attention ;-)

  • Antonio

    Hello to all the great Americans!! I’m from Colombia and as ya’ll might guess guns are prohibitied, but guns are everywhere. They can be bought from police officers, military, drug dealers, and even the U.S. consulates. I have been shot twice. Once in my upper left leg close to mis juevos and in my right elbow (it missed the bone thank God). I’m not affriad of guns,no, i’m affraid of NOT having guns!!! I love the USA, the Second Amendment, and of course MY GUNS!!!

    • Barb

      Hey Antonio welcome back! And good for you!!! And to Blackhat: we have a concealed weapons law in our state and yes many businesses have no guns allowed on their doors! So far it’s the criminals who have done the gun crimes not any law abiding gun toting citizens! So Amlib sorry your bar fight ain’t in the picture!

  • American liberal

    Time & independent… Again, I’m not saying you might not be able to be responsible.. But some people can’t drink… I know this guy that’s a great guy and fun… But after 4 or 5 drinks he looks for trouble… I don’t want him with a weapon..make sense?

    • JeffH

      Can your con AmLib…all you are is a liberal con artist…

    • TIME

      AL,
      I understand you point. But yet I bet he has never shot anyone has he?
      But due to the FREEDOMS that can be lost we can’t allow more laws set in place just for a “politician to make work for themselfs,” or {make themselfs look good to a special interest group.}
      Thats just 100% wrong.

      As a matter of fact thats how we have all the issues we now face.
      We as a nation have let Politicians make laws that have taken our very freedoms away one small chip at a time.

    • obiwan

      I understand your point, but if your friend causes enough trouble to have a police record with even minor charges he will not be able to obtain a concealed carry permit. The background check is part of the process. If an offense is commtted after obtaining a permit,
      it will be revoked. If he is drinking and carrying, he’s already committed that offense and you can turn him in yourself for his own good and yours. No true friend would jeopardize your safety.

  • Hello?

    Please join the NRA, they are the only orginization fighting for our rights and make an investment, donate to the NRA for your gun rights. I give them money whenever I can. Don’t complain if you do not do anything about it. Freedom and rights are not cheap but talk is worthless. Do something!

    • bbstacker

      Also “Gun Owners of America”. The NRA is fine, but they will pester you with insurance policies for your $35 donation. All the truly valid groups have a place among America in supporting the Second Amendment, but read the fine print, and talk to others about the real nitty-gritty so that your dues are doing the work you expect. It is vital that we all as American Citizens understand our Heritage, for if we have no education on how and why this nation was created, then anyone can tell you something that will fulfill their cause and alter the truth. A good start, on your own, “Paul Revere’s Ride” by David Hackett Fischer.

      • JeffH

        So right bbstacker.

  • obiwan

    Every one here is missing an important point. Concealed means just that, concealed. Following the rules, you will never know the weapon is there and that is the whole point. If you study the news reports you will find the crime problem is rarely in a club, mall, rest. etc.
    The problem is getting from the establishment door to your car, in that crime zone called the parking lot, safely. The older we get, the more we look like easy targets to our criminals.
    Where I go, the weapon goes and no one will ever know it’s there unless it absolutely needs to be used. That decision is guided by
    the training you must get to obtain that concealed licence.

    • JeffH

      Well stated obiwan.

  • http://gmail i41

    Well Al “Greasy Rev” Sharpton for once told the truth, Osocialist told everyone what he was. The only thing he didn’t say plain enough, was all libs and dems are socialists. Dems are for complete control of every thing taught,said, planned or owned, or even eaten. Of course if it isn’t normal or is against the laws of nature, it is wonderful and embraced. Keep your eyes on the ball with in a few months, plans will be to tax any fire arms, followed by the serial number registations, a little more lag time of ownership, and the screws will be turned tighter! The cost of amno climbed since the dems took over Congress, try and buy reloading supplies, dems are restricting certain peices and parts, still love dems and rinos? They must be turned out and term limits put in place. More Constititionalist will step forward and dismantle these restrictions and created deptment ATF and EPA, that are appointed not elected. Dump the worth less UN, save our money, and turn the building into housing units. Look at the statue of a pistol tied in a knot, in front of the UN, that taxpayers support and again dems and rinos get giddy about supporting and will not do a damn thing untill the UN’s blessings are given!!!!

    • Joe H.

      i41,
      I don’t know if you have a reloader, but here in Ohio we can but ammo without signing and if they don’t have what you want you can always reload from what you can get. I have done that from time to time when I was younger! It can get expensive but you get the job done.

  • Leonard

    From the article: “the coalition referred to “numerous” studies that demonstrate that familiarizing children with guns makes them more likely to handle firearms when adults are not present.”

    If that logice is true, why are we teaching sex education in grade school?

    • bbstacker

      that hit the proverbial Nail on the head! These quotes about studies with no reference is evidence of spreading lies and bogus information. I stated earlier that upwards of 40K a year are killed in auto accidents, and that info is from the National records easily googled. There was a quote from an earlier article regarding 2A rights and issues: “Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people than my guns have.” The cry-baby mentality over American Citizens owning guns has no substance, and if it weren’t guns it would be golf clubs, knives, rolling pins, baseball bats, sticks, ice picks, chains, wire, and mostly the result of stupidity and irrationality. You used to be able to buy a gun through the mail and have it delivered to your door! Of course, you used to be able to choose if you wanted to pay for medical insurance…but, we are living in some perilous times. Molon Labe.

      • Joe H.

        bbstacker,
        I knew you sounded familiar. you used to be on another site that I used to go to. It will remain unnamed in case you want it that way. my screen name was Eastlake Joe.

  • Raggs

    Tyranny is the main reason for our 2nd ammendment.
    And now we have a dictator in office that wants a civil army just as large as a our armed forces… Sounds like tyranny to me.

  • NEConservative

    I’d like to see these supposed “numerous” studies that say children are more likely to handle guns after being educated about them when adults are not around. Also interesting would be to see WHO conducted them if theyb actually exist. This would be a serious consideration as to their validity. It would be a credit to the Gov. of Virginia tpo develop a standard program for children to learn gun safety. This will help ensure they follow proper gun handling and safety measures throughout life.

  • Hello?

    The only reason that ony Government would want to take away the right for citizens to protect themselves would be to control it’s citizens.
    Do you really think that our Government really has compassion for a victim and this bunch that we have in there now has a plan to cripple any rights that you have and make you slaves.
    I have a concealed carry permit and I got really chewed out by two Game officers while fishing and they saw my permit while I was looking for the fishing licensem, they asked if I had a weapon and I told them that I did, well they went on about how I was supposed to tell an officer of the law that I had a permit and a weapon as soon as they approach them and it was the law and I could loose my priviledge and get a citation if I did not. Now in the first place the very second that he approached me the permit was visible. Guess they were on an ego trip. Same old lesson, the law abiding citizen is the one that gets harrased. I told him that I had been checked out with no criminal background and the Sheriff trusted me with a concealed carry of a weapon and why was he afraid of me. Now I could have been a criminal with a hidden gun without his knowledge and blown him away. I guess what you don’t know will not hurt you. Why would a government give you a priviledge and then make you feel like a criminal? Typical mentallity in a Liberal society. I think that everyone should be encouraged to have a weapon for all of our good. The criminal will always have a weapon and we will not know it until it is too late. What if someone on those 911 air craft had a weapon other than box cutters, 3,000 live would be saved. Law enforcement can’t be everywhere but we can.

    • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

      Hello? says:
      March 23, 2010 at 8:41 am

      The only reason that any Government would want to take away the right for citizens to protect themselves would be to control it’s citizens.
      Do you really think that our Government really has compassion for a victim and this bunch that we have in there now has a plan to cripple any rights that you have and make you slaves.
      ………………………………………………………………………………………………..
      You nailed it! That is the only reason the government wants to disarm us. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH SAFETY, or any of the other dozens of excuses they use. It’s all about control of the people.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    Subject: FW: Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

    As a widow of a military retiree, who stood with her husband for over 20 years while he served this country (which was the greatest in the world until this Congress and President took over), I have to say I agree. Shirley

    As a retired military man that have given over twenty-seven years of my life to my country, I truly feel that what this
    Country needs most is a new amendment to the Constitution . I am recommending that we add the 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES.

    For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that Congress members could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn’t pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered…in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

    This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come, Jim.

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Congressman, Senators and Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Congressman. Senators and Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States”.

    This 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES Will apply to all passed, present and future
    congressman, Senators And Representatives.

    HTCM USN Retired James A. Graham E-Mail address is ( jagraham@charter.net ) Please forward !!!!!!!

    • independant thinker

      Best idea I have heard in a long time.

    • AirFrank

      Absolutely wonderful idea. And thank you for your service to country. Without folks like you we would be speaking The Queens English or German.

  • Russell

    I think it’s all about the education. Instead of trying to take rights away from people, they should use their money to educate the public on how & when to use guns. If we take guns away from all the normal people then all the unstable people will rule the world.

  • James

    The Virginia State Constitution, Art. I, Sec. 13, reads: “That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, that standing armies, in time of peace should be avoided as dangerous to liberty, and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.”
    That’s the governing law in Virginia, not the Second Amendment.

    • NEConservative

      The Second Amendment supercedes the Virginia clause. The United States Constitution trumps all lesser governments, whether they be state, local, municipality whatever. So you are stuck with the 2nd.

      • independant thinker

        The Second amendment does not superceed the Virginia constitution for they say the same thing. The Virginia constitution just spells out what the authors of the bill of rights ment in plain words.

  • Barb

    I too was taught very young by my father how to handle, respect and shoot handguns, rifles and shotguns. My husband also was taught the same at an early age, we taught our daughters at an early age and they are teaching their children at an early age. No one in our families have ever been shot or have shot anybody either by design or accidently because they were taught to respect the power of the weapon and the proper use. Also when will these do- gooder organizations and people ever figure it out that no matter how many laws are out there banning guns from law abiding citizens, the bad guys, the criminals, the gangs, will ALWAYS get guns, have guns, and use guns against society, and each other. AND they will be able to get them EASILY as well. I hope Gov. Mc Connell hangs in there and sticks to his guns!!!!!

    • Joe H.

      Barb,
      My first shot was with a 22 at almost five years old. My father looked at it this way. he wanted to do away with the curiosity to keep me from playing with them. I grew up with guns around me all my life and so have mt kids. I guarantee you I can hit what I mean to!!!

  • Matt

    here are some quotes below:

    “The people of any nation, ancient or modern, who lose the liberty of freely speaking, writing, or publishing their beliefs, soon lose all their liberty and become slaves.” “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.” George Washington “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” George Washington

  • http://URL helena

    i HOPE that Virginia Governor McDonnel UPHOLDS THE SECOND CONSTITUTIONAL AMMENDMENT and will NOT go for this NONSENSE! Having a legal firearm/or CWL PREVENTS CRIMES!!!We are NOT CRIMINALS, BUT LAW ABIDING CITIZENS THAT HAVE EARNED THIS RIGHT. Is these criminals they owed to be TARGETING. The only reason for not going after the criminals ang going aftert the hard decent working Americans on this Nation is because it BOILS DOWN TO CONTROL AND TO ENSLAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!CONTROL, CONTROL, & MORE CONTROL, WAKE UP PEOPLE, TAKE THE BANDAGES OFF, BEFORE IS TOO LATE & WE END UP LIKE WHAT CASTRO DID IN COMMUNIST CUBA. DISARMED EVERY CITIZEN TO CONTROL THE MASSES!!!!!God Bless ALL

    • independant thinker

      Actualy we have not earned that right. We were born with it. Our very existance gives us the right to own, carry, and use firearms for hunting, self defence, etc.

  • http://live.com GunnySgt

    You Know all these folks who want to take our right to self protection are really caught up in the socialist leaning side of our country. How else do they think we can protect ourselves from Criminals and possible government going off the deep end. Look whats going on right now and tell me you trust government. The Police cannot be everywhere all the time and you have alot of crazy things going on out there. Responsible Citizens can and do handle personal protection very safely. Cars kill more people then guns and you don’t see them banning cars. People should check out history and other countries who have banned guns for the citizens and see the results. We can never let this happen in our country. A Patriot watching.

    • J C

      Absolutely right Gunny. I guess in some utopian dream land guns were never invented. But they are a fact of our existence and as long as criminals and governments have them, it’s important we have them too. It’s called “balance”. And imagine what our leadership of petty tyrants would be doing if we were completely disarmed….

      • Joe H.

        JC
        I can give you an example of that. In Panama SA a man was arrested for having a holster from the prior regieme and he was sentenced to twenty years on the island. first he was sent to the Casa Modelo for two years and then his sentence was started from the end of the two years and not with credit for time served like we have here for the time being!! He didn’t have the gun, just the holster!!!

      • JC

        It’s down to people like us now Joe. Know your friends.

  • http://live.com GunnySgt

    You Know all these folks who want to take our right to self protection are really caught up in the socialist leaning sid3e of our country. How else do they think we can protect ourselves from Criminals and possible government going off the deep end. Look whats going on right now and tell me you trust government. The Police cannot be everywhere all the time and you have alot of crazy things going on out there. Responsible Citizens can and do handle personal protection very safely. Cars kill more people then guns and you don’t see them banning cars. People should check out history and other countries who have banned guns for the citizens and see the results. We can never let this happen in our country. A Patriot watching.

    • JeffH

      Gunny, I’ve been handling guns and around them for over 47 years. Even went through my hunters safety class in my elementary school, taught by a teacher who donated his time after school and approved by the local school board. He and my father got the message through to me about guns without incident and I’ve been fortunate enough to have passed my experience and knowledge on to family and friends.
      These anti-gun advocates will use every technique available to strip someone of their freedoms, that is just the way they are. I say they are immoral!

  • American Thinker

    If you are a gun owner ( I doubt it ), than shame on you… I do not recall seeing news articles of shootouts in bars where carry is allowed… they are talking about being able to sit down and have a meal with friends and family, even though there is a bar on premises.

    Hmmm I love these liberal catch phrases “mixing guns and booze” ” as if the most responsible citizens in our country, the gun owners, are going in to get plastered and start brawls with firearms. Grow up !

    • s c

      Since Obummer is not above ‘forcing’ people to do things against their will and their common sense, then let us jam the Second Amendment issue(s) down their miserable, pathetic throats.
      EVERY sleazoid ultraliberal progressive who doesn’t have any use for the Second Amendment should be FORCED to wear an item of clothing (T shirt, jacket, hat, etc.) that says “I hate the Second Amendment. I will NEVER own a weapon. I am a superior being, and I know what’s best for EVERYONE. Anyone who loves the Second Amendment is NO friend of mine.”
      Soon, the real life education of these self-made retards will be more than they can stand. When enough of them have been victimized by criminals who know what’s what about being unarmed, they will “see the light” in one, big damned hurry.
      What do you say, America?

      • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

        SC:
        That’s a great idea. I saw a post on another page (might have been yours) that said that those against the 2nd amendment, and basic gun haters should have to put a sign on their house that says “we hate guns and the 2nd amendment”. It would be a nice invitation to burglars etc. ;-)

      • Joe H.

        Stephaan,
        yeah, I want to put one on my neighbors house!!! might convince him to go back to Canada where he came from and tries to do away with guns!!!

      • Joe H.

        SC &Stephaan,
        I see in the news that the U.S. and Russia have made an arms agreement. wonder how long before they try to take all of our guns in an arms treaty???

      • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

        Joe;
        Billary, and her staff of girly men were all in Mexijoke yesterday making plans with their worthless prez on how to deal with the drug wars, so look for the assault weapons ban to be brought up again soon.
        They didn’t build the fence and close the border FOR A REASON! That would have solved all the cross border problems for us, but they want to use the assault weapons ban as the solution to all our border problems. Their plan has been in the works for over a year now. Getting the health care farce passed is the only reason they put the AWB on the back burner.

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      Remember American Thinker. Most of the libs are like Hollywood – where drugs and alcohol abound. You are speaking of Americans who have been raised by a two party family (man and a woman) with Christian or Jewish values. Most of the lefties weren’t raised by anyone and it was Dr. Spock’s ruls don’t spank that child becaquse it will ruin his expressive self esteem – Yea right!

    • Jim H.

      When you finish the can of beer, you take the empty and you have a target to practice with.

  • Steve

    I don’t know about the studies my Father and Mother raised 8 Kids and we were all taught how to use a Gun when we were old enough to pick them up .We were taught never to point a firarm at any thing unless we meant to kill it,the Rifle set beside my Fathers bed for Forty years and the bullets right beside it us kids knew not to get it unless we were threatened .We knew if we did the fur would fly off our backside with the Razor Strap.None of us ever had an accident because We knew it was not a toy and the Grand kids were taught the same way.If the Grand Kids were with my Mother she treated them like they were hers,they knew to be good or she would whip them the same as she did her own kids.We all turned out to make something of our lives ,worked hard and raised our own kids.My three sons have thier own guns and run business’s from computer programers to auto parts and tractor parts stores.I will have to say my Mother was a Professional when it came to raising kids the only grand son that stays in trouble is a young one that came along after she was gone.That is why I wonder about these so called Proffessional’s that teach us how to raise kids and spare the rod,if a kid knows that the worst thing that is going to happen to it is do without a candy bar ,what is the deterent?????

    • Matt

      True! very true.

    • Joe H.

      Steve,
      EM’ AS CAN, DO. EM’ AS CAN’T TEACH!!!!

  • American liberal

    While I support the 2nd amendment ( I’m a gun owner) common sense tells me it’s a horrible( stupid) to mix guns and booze… Keep them outta bars….

    • TIME

      AL Dude, Come on get real I have been in many bars all over the world and I have never seen a single person pull out a gun and shoot someone, not even in the deep south in the late 1960′s!
      Thats all HollywackedO Movie crap.

      Where on earth do you come up with these buffoonish ideas.

      Norm I know you will ask, TIME I thought you don’t drink?
      I don’t anylonger and have not for well over 20 years now, so asked and answered before you even get there

      • American liberal

        Time… Then you didn’t even read the artical…you’re in here making comments on an artical you didn’t even read…… It’s says….bringing a gun into establishments that sell liquor ….you don’t think that a bad idea ?…. Would you smoke in a factory that made gunpowder?.. Just because you’ve got a right to smoke?…. Is it any wonder that we think you rightys are dumb?… Bringing guns into bars is just flatout stupid… So that explains why you think it’s a great idea…. Next time you bring a gun into a bar , make sure it’s a tea bagger bar… Have fun

      • TIME

        AL Dude,
        Your comment about smoking in a gun powder factory is just as ignorant as per most of your post, thus clearly displaying the mindless dribbel that persons like yourself express when you know your wrong.

        I think I hear your mommie calling, better run home before you get your nickers in a knot.

      • American liberal

        Time &independant…. Could the reason you’ve been in bars allover the country and never seen anyone gunned down in a bar is because in just about all of Europe and 99.9% of America it’s aginst the law to bring guns or wear guns in establishment…. My god!.. Are you rightys even capable of thinking ?…

      • TIME

        AL Dude,
        Keep trying.
        Let me make this very clear for you; I am saying that even in a bar no one is shooting anyone, even being against the law. thats all HollyWackO crap, Its not real life.
        Can you get your gray matter around that fact?

        Why make laws just to make laws, it not in anyones good favor,
        its just chipping away at your freedom.
        Something that as a Liberal you should be able to grasp,
        “Freedom is a LIBERAL Concept.”

        I don’t need a gun, but if I wanted to I should be able to
        carry one “anywhere” I go if I have a permit to do so.
        Thats {Freedom.}

        I feel that “driving and texting” is far more of a threat
        to people.

      • Joe H.

        dumlib,
        do you really think just because it’s against the law, nobody carries one there??? Are you THAT dumb,deaf, and blind???? Three months ago in TOLEDO???? Remember that??? Seven guys shot it out in a pool hall where beer was being sold! They were all suspected to be drug dealers. they shot off over a hundred rounds and nobody got hit!!! I think they’re called drugstore cowboys!!! A crook doesn’t care if the law forbids it, they will still do it. Don’t be so naieve!!!

      • LIBERALS ARE IGNORANT

        To the A HOLE with the Treasonous usage of the word American in your liberal communist name;

        Hey you ignorant little a$$ wipe. I don’t think I have ever seen anybody as IGNORANT as you, either on the net, or in person. You are one moronic loser pal. What grade are you in? 3rd? Gawd you’re PATHETIC! Get a life. You haven’t made a rational post in 3 days now. Why don’t you cut your losses and go have some milk and cookies with your mommy. You’ve got your panties in such a wad that you can’t think straight!

      • Joe H.

        time,
        I guess that dumblib doesn’t want to touch that statement!!!

      • independant thinker

        The bill does not say bars it says establishments that serve alcohal this would include resturants whose primary income is derived from food. It is possible that is what this bill covers without reading it we do not know for sure what is actualy covered. I know in my state you cannot carry into an establishment that would be considered a bar but you can carry into a resturant that serves alcohol as part of the dining experience. Contrary to all the nay sayers like you who predicted a blood bath there has been no alcohal related shootings at these resturants in fact there has been no shootings of any kind there.

      • JeffH

        AmLib…it is always a matter of “sensibility” to you libs. The only sense you guys and gals have is the cents in you pockets! You people have never considered anything that doesn’t include some kind of way to force your will on everyone else. Never mind what the majority might want. Each time anyone concedes just the smallest bit of their freedom, those that take it always want more. Pretty soon it’s all gone, hen what. There can’t be a give and take on your freedom.
        If a bar or liquor establishment doesn’t want guns in their establishment, all they have to do is post a notice, similar to no one under 21 alowed inside. It’s that simple, but oh, no…that isn’t good enough for the liberal anti-gun groups now, is it?
        It’s much easier for them to just remove those freedoms.

      • JeffH

        On The Second Amendment, Don’t Believe Obama!
        The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

        But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.

      • JeffH

        NY City Mayor Bloomberg and his waning group of mayors, MAIG, is urging Obama to make 40 changes to federal gun law interpretation and enforcement on his own-without congressional approval.

        Titled “A Blueprint for Federal Action”, the Bloomberg battle plan is calling for its mission to be carried out jointly by seven federal departments and agencies: Departments of State, Justice and Homeland Security, the FBI and BATFE, the White House Office of Management and Budget and the Consumer Product Safety Commission.

        What makes Bloomberg’s effort different is it’s multi-agency approach, and his ability to promote it with his enormous wealth and the prestige of being the mayor of America’s most influential city.

      • del

        American Liberal if you knew when you needed self defense things would be a lot easier don’t you think. Honestly don’t you think that you should have given your comment a little more thought. Besides the real killers out there are cars lets outlaw them.
        Vehicle Occupants Killed by Type of Vehicle (format: Type of Vehicle, 1999, 2000, % Change)

        Passenger Car : 20,862 20,492 -1.8%

        LTVs: 11,265 11,418 +1.4%

        Motorcycles: 2,483 2,862 +15%

        Large Trucks: 759 741 -2.3%

        Other Vehicles*: 414 420 +1.4%

        Unknown Body Type: 92 316 +243%

        TOTAL: 35,875 36,249 +1.0%

      • JCfromDC

        American liberal: I know this is late in coming and may eem trivial… As is usual with liberals and their “superior” education, I find it apalling that they cannot spell worth a damn. I can forgive bad typing and recognize it when I see it (like my own) but to fail to spell a simple word (article) and have it show as “artical” in a lame argument is just another blatant display of ignorance,and hurts the presentation.
        I have been in plenty of bars in places where numerous imbibers there were openly carrying. If one of them decided to get rowdy with his, about half a dozen others would have cut him down on the spot. That argument leaks all over the place

    • bbstacker

      Based on your non-sensical “logic”, we should keep humans out of motor vehicles. The stats show in excess of 40,000 a year die from traffic accidents, but where’s the lobby/group trying to ban motor vehicles. The law for carry weapons says restaurants that serve alcohol who make their primary sales from food. Get a clue, grow a set, learn your Heritage, man up. The rights of American Citizens give any of us the right to choose, not force our likes and dislikes upon another Citizen within the rule of law.

      • American liberal

        Your argument off… 1st.. I’m a 2nd amendment supporter… I’ve got weapons myself.. So I’m not arguing aginst your right to own weapons…. But I am arguing aginst guns in bars that serve liqour… And I’m not arguing aginst cars…. I’m saying drinking and driving… Huge diffrence… I don’t know anywhere where it’s legal to drink while driving and I can only think of 1 state where you can bring guns in a bar.. Tennessee…I just think it’s a bad mix and so do most people…..maybe you believe you can drink without shooting somebody but the very fact that you feel the need to carry a weapon on a bar enforces my argument.. The need for self defense…. So let’s suppose you can hold your booze and temper… It’s the other guy you need to worry about….same reason your automoble argument isn’t valid… People don’t buy cars for self defense… It’s for transportation… But the reason you need a gun is self defense..i’m not attacking your right to have a carry permit.. That’s fine , but nobody should be bringing guns where booze is served…. Remember even in the wildwest the Wyatt Earp disarmed everybody I’m tombstone… And the reason was the cattlemen came to town , got drunk and shot the town up….now can we discuss this like adults or should we just go straight to name calling…?..

      • JeffH

        American liberal, don’t even go the “i’m a 2nd amendment supporter” route. You are a stinking liberal, and liberals lie, cheat and steal to achieve their goals. You pulled that straight out of Uncle Saul’s book! Being decieved is not an option here!

      • LIBERALS ARE IGNORANT

        A commie liberal;
        Your Wyatt Earp analogy doesn’t wash you ignorant mu th f er.
        Earp was a stinkin liberal just like you are!!

    • teqpirate

      I’m a CCW holder in Georgia. I am allowed to carry in both bars and restaurants that serve alcohol – however I am not allowed to drink alcohol. If caught drinking while carrying my permit would be revoked. If the drunk at the next table picks up his steak knife and tries to stab his waiter for poor service, a law abiding CCW holder would be able to stop the violence before it starts.

  • William Nealey

    as usual the anti gunners are all wrong and making stupid arguments, I was taught very early on by my dad how to handle guns and at the same time I was taught how and when not to handle them,those people make a very good living doing nothing but trying to get more of our right taken away, if every one would quit buying from their supporters their money would dry up and they would have to go to work for a living,

  • TIME

    A well armed Public will be a strong force of protection for the Public at large.

    How many people in Austrilia now wish the Government had kept its bloody hands out of the Gun world. Now the Criminals have the guns and all CRIME RATE has gone up in numbers forget doubled its surpassed 10,000X and more.

    A PUBLIC with out guns is a BIG red target for CRIME from either the government or wack jobs or government wack jobs.

    Look at the Swiss, every Man and Woman is trained to use a gun as well owns guns, CRIME RATE, ZERO. Need I say more

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      Also Time, you don’t see Terrorists flocking to Switzerland like they have to France, England and many many more of the European countries. Wonder Why? If people with concealed weapons permits were allowed to carry on board airplanes and the pilots were allowed to have fire arms, I’ll bet hyjacking would be down also. Buy gee whiz none of the anointed ones would ever consider this.

    • JC

      This just in…

      Department of Education buys shotguns
      The Department of Education has placed an official request for bids to fill an order of 27 tactical shotguns.

      That’s not a typo, the Department of Education is buying riot shotguns.

      The full purchase order is available online, here.

      The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14? – PARKERIZED CHOKE: MODIFIED SIGHTS: GHOST RING REAR WILSON COMBAT; FRONT – XS CONTOUR BEAD SIGHT STOCK: KNOXX REDUCE RECOIL ADJUSTABLE STOCK FORE-END: SPEEDFEED SPORT-SOLID – 14? LOP are designated as the only shotguns authorized for ED based on compatibility with ED existing shotgun inventory, certified armor and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

      The Department of Education has joined the Internal Revenue Service in a disturbing trend of government bureaucracies arming their employees.

      http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/hostedemail/email.htm?h=ab9d065edf4bca15b664b4119377ff0d&CID=6050791585&ch=FD641B6F8AEFB887143CBD004289C151

      So much for “civil” service.

    • Meteorlady

      Switzerland actually has about the same murder rate per capita as most other places without gun control. But their crime rate is really low compared to the rest of the world. I would not want to do a home invasion in Switzerland. Switzerland is also a nation of very disciplined and moral people so law and order are pretty much the norm there.

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