It’s called Net Neutrality for those who wish to study the efforts of the Government to control the Internet. The FCC is currently making an effort to mess with the Internet using this approach. Funny how they are coming to our aid for a problem that doesn’t exist.

Time,

I’m sure you’ve seen some of the videos on Mark Lloyd, FCC Diversity Czar (that the WH is saying is not a Czar); so this is not necessarily for you, but just wanted to post the proof of what you & some others are saying on this board.

The one below is just one of many, but this one I hadn’t seen until yesterday. It’s so boring that I almost cried & started to hyperventillate, but other videos show him praising Hugo Chavez & how he shut down the media in Venezuela. The best one is the one that Glenn showed on his show, but I know some think that “our only source of truth” is a “fear monger”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnwzMJf09o

US Mad Girl, thanks for posting the links, many may learn a tad.

Time,

You have a big “Amen” from me!

Normy, that vote has started already!

No, the real danger is from the uninformed sheeple.
Especially dangerous are the ones who offer very few facts in their comments and lots of personal attacks. I would bet that most of those are somehow feeding from the trough (Government employees, welfare recipients, etc.).
There is no excuse in this age of the Internet not to become aware of reality.

It is amazing how many people think stealing the money of others is Okay as long as there is a majority consensus. Somehow there is a certain threshold of the gang size that magically transforms theft to charity:
http://mises.org/daily/4125

“A Society of Criminals” I get the same articles.
This one is particularly good.

Mises.org is truly a breath of fresh air – I wish I had access to this information as a much younger man. I give it props everywhere I can – at tea-parties, in conversations, anywhere I can.

This country IS NOT a democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic.

Thank you.

Democracy simply does not work, voting has become a total waste of time, and it will change nothing. Unfortunately right now it is the only option we have short of a rather large White House BBQ.
I don’t advocate violence, but like most I’m certainy aware of the uselessness of voting, it won’t cure the cancer that is our political system. So what to do? At what point do we collectively acknowledge that they have crossed the last line we’re going to let them cross?

Good idea. Unfortunately, I live in ultra-liberal Washington State. Our idiot governor and state lawmakers are emulating the Obama regime and our two houses of Congress and pretty much telling us to go to hell. We passed a law here in Washington State recently, I-960-restricting how much our taxes can be raised. Guess what, they suspended it. They chose to ignore the will of the people. And when we expressed our anger, they reported us to the Washington State Patrol, claiming we were threatening them. The WSP said nothing we said was illegal or threatening but they are going to investigate us anyway.

2nd that!

The productive sector as you call them has sucked the life out of our economy… You nay incision some utopian sociaty when nobody has to pay taxes but that is never going to happen.. It’s time you faced reality… Now, are you saying those multi billionairs are the productive ones and that middleclass are the ones sucking the life out of our country?… It’s just amazes me that you’d defend you paying taxes instead of them… And I do believe the economy did just fine in the 90,s when they paid their share….you still want to enable this same people that have their thumb on your back….you should do some research and see how much the top 2 % have prospered during the last decade…. It’s more about commonsense… It can’t keep up like this…

Phil,

I’m not suggesting that the middle-class is sucking the life out of our economy. I mean no disrespect to the middle-class. Heck, I’m one of them. All I’m trying to say is that wealthy people got that way because they know how to take a buck and multiply it into many bucks. If they do this legally, which I believe most do, they create wealth by giving their customers more value for each dollar they spend, and that in turns creates businesses and jobs. They already pay the majority of the income taxes because our tax system is “progressive.” If we make them pay more taxes, they’ll just have less money to invest to create those businesses and jobs which middle-class people benefit from.

Finally, I’m not suggesting that the middle-class pay more taxes either, although I do think a flatter income tax would be better for the economy and our culture, overall, but let’s save that discussion for another time. It’s my opinion that the economy is overtaxed, so tax “rate” reductions would actually stimulate growth and job creation. This has occurred each time it has been tried by past administrations. The federal deficit should be addressed with spending discipline, not increased tax rates or increased borrowing.
Otherwise, the economy is burdened with overhead and won’t grow as quickly, and folks won’t benefit as much.

George, are you aware that 2/3 of our business pay no taxes at all? Why is that? Shouldn’t every company pay their fair share? The loopholes allow even foreign companies to avoid taxes in this country.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1249465620080812?sp=true
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/11/AR2008081102324.html

DaveH, how about making all the corporations pay taxes?? Since 2/3 don’t pay does that mean your goal is just 1/3 away? I own a small business and pay taxes, what justifies paying no taxes at all?

Anybody have some Deet?

Hands clapping wildly!

DaveH, I have some, but I’m afraid you might hurt yourself with it.

Wasn’t their purpose, beginning with Globalization and Down-sizing, to destroy our beautiful Middle Class?

NAFTA, too. Soon we will live like “them” instead of them being raised up.

DeeD, all of the above.

You are totally correct. Click on to http://www.jbs.org for more information and an action plan.

You HAVE TO go back to the guiding principles of the Constitution.

That means addressing:
* Freeing the economy
* The existence of the Fed
* Placing the USD BACK on the Gold Standard
* The unconstitutional behavior & precedents set by the Courts
* The unconstitutional behavior of the Federal Government
* Encouraging private vs public schooling (YES, THAT MEANS VOUCHERS!)
* Limiting State & taxes based on the growth of the economy
* Turn the IRS on the government!

I don’t know – that’s for starters?

Looking at this list, it’ll probably only be after the country collapses that people have the “aHAH!” moment and take any one of these seriously!

I “think” the Youth of today, are in a Glass Bubble. After all, they are Party responsible for Voting this clown into office, as They thought it would be “Cool” to have a “Black man” in the WH.[BTW: He's Bi-Racial. And I Could Care Less what Colour a Persons' Skin Is]. Not knowing Anything about His Experience or Abilities to LEAD! They just thought it was COOl that he had a Blackberry, he used the Internet,went on YOUTUBE and Jogged up or down the steps, like he’s so cool, ‘ya know? What A Bunch Of Fools. I bet, if Britney Spears ran for office, she’d Win, ’cause [said in Classic Valley Girl Voice]She’s,Like, So Cool, ‘ya know? The Youth of today, has No Clue as to What The Hel* is Really Going On Here. They are too Self Absorbed and too concerned with “Instant Gratification”,Red Bull, Texting and other BS fixations. Too much excess and access, as I say. And these are our Leaders of tomorrow! God Help Us All!

Tex, I’ll bet you voted for McCain/ Palin…. McCains a bumbling fool and Palin has the IQ of a carrott…..imagin where we’d be had they been elected… Probley living in a cave and using outhouses … That last president we had, the Texan ran our country into this economic ditch and your trying everything you can think of to blame it on president Obama…

Clarice Feldman of American Thinker produced a dispositive commentary showing that Obama is failing because “fundamentally he is neither smart nor articulate; his intellectual dishonesty is conspicuous by its audacity and lack of shame”

What do you expect with the quality of education in our schools these days? The textbooks are written, published and selected by people with a progressive agenda. I understand that the new textbooks that are coming out will ignore our history prior to the Harding administration. That means, little, if anything, will be taught about our founding fathers and the creation of this country. And isn’t that when the Progressive movement in this country began?

Hey Phil, George W. Bush is from Connecticutt. And don’t worry, Obama will have us all living in a cave soon enough. All he has to do is keep “stimulating” the economy. Only a moron could believe that fiat money (counterfeit) out of thin air could do anything other than ruin us all.

I agree. Unfortunately, the Democrat politicians seem to consider the U. S. Constitution to be an illegal document, unless they can find something in it that they can twist to help further their agenda. The problem is, many Republican politicians seem to have the same attitude because most, if not all, are left-leaning moderates.

Most importantly, when will the Department of Education be abolished? The Federal Government has absolutely no business being involved in the education of our kids. Our Founders would have crapped if they knew we let the Feds get involved with the education of our children. Talk about the Fox watching the Hens.

Dave, A very good point.

Its hard to get all of it down on a blog in a few moments, this has been going on for well over 100 years so the list of get rid of programs is so long we could fill the worlds land mass with what needs to be fixed.
Poly Ticks, keep in mind Poly, {meaning to fold in, or blend in,} TICKS, “blood sucking bugs.”

DaveH Interesting observation. I’m always amazed when i think of the people that would never give the government their guns…but will give them their children’s minds.

Lets not forget the teachers unions they need to go. They are distroying education

Folks, We have a Constitution as well a Bill of Rights,
let me try and state what it all boils down to in
just a few words.

FREEDOM to express ones self,
Freedom to come and go as you please.
Freedom to wear dumb looking things.
Freedom to act like a nut case.
Freedom to eat what you like.
Freedom to walk not run.
Freedon to own a gun if you so wish.
Freedom to make a living with out the Government
taking it away.

Freedom is a special thing, so treat everyone like
you would like to be treated, oddly FREEDOM works.

When you have laws that build on laws that restrict your FREEDOM,
for your alledged safety due to a group of persons who wants to
impose the ideas that they feel are what you need.
Then the slippery slop has been started.
Or as its now known the “VAST GRAY Area” of law.

My Dad turns 84 today. Happy Birthday Dad!!!!!1
His favorite saying is, “Our generation live the best days of this country.”, I feel sorry for you kids I don’t know what you are going to do or how you all are going to make it, the gov’t is so corrupt and all they want to do is raise taxes.
Hopefully if he is right that applies to our politicians as well. Their best days are over!!!!!!!!!!!11

Amen Brother stock up indeed on all those PRECIOUS metals like Gold, Silver and the most importantly (LEAD)and alot of it, this is for hunting Amen and God bless.

Dave, I agree with you 100% on that. Great point.

Time, DaveH, I also agree – violence not good. However, every email to the critters should end with this quote:

“This time we come unarmed.”

Political elite arrogance can only be shaken with a constant reminder of their own mortality. Their continued (decades long) deafness is no longer an option – and will NOT be tolerated.

“When the People fear the government, there is Tyranny. When the government fears the People, there is Liberty.”
–Thomas Paine (alternately attributed to Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, et al.)

DaveH,
I do agree. But what are you going to do when they come for your gun’s ? for whatever reason they chose to use. Remember what they did in New Orleans they > ( the military took the PEOPLE’S GUN’S by force ) for whatever reason. The people there had NO way to DEFEND themselves after that. By the way they have never given them there fire arms back. Obama WILL come after the only thing that keeps us free and stops them from taking total control OUR GUN’S.

I don’t know for sure. All I can tell you is that I don’t believe in fighting fair with immoral people.

Exactly, if you’re in a fair fight, you’re tactics suck.

I’ll drop two or three in my front yard, if we all defend our property how can the Feds win. 270 million firearms in America, the property of 115 million Americans.

You guys are right. Many people consider guns as weapons, I don’t! Just bought a Bushmaster AR-15 Varmiter and just ordered 1000 rounds FMJ because I and we may be unindated by varmints. Ya never know! And violence isn’t cool by any measure, been there done that. But violence sometimes is the only way, sadly. We’ve seen it in this country a few times and it worked but ——————just hope it doesn’t come to that!

JC – you have it spot on. The local populace is generally the same all over the world… it’s the swines in power that you have to watch like hawks!!

I used to believe that the USA was the ONE country in the world where history WOULD NOT repeat itself, but how naive was I?

We are headed from freedom to oppression. The worst is, Americans ARE blind to what’s happening around them.

I meant NO SURPRISE

Yes we are blind to it.
I should mention where I placed the “5″ above…that’s the 5th plank of the communist manifesto. And apparently of the US also.

And we haven’t see nothing yet. BHO is acting like Hugo Chavez. Remember who he sided when the Hondurian people defended their weak democracy. He and Hillary showed their real colors. He is a mega maniac WANNA BE DICTADOR.

Yes, it’s time for another American Revolution. Hopefully a peaceful one, but the way things are going I fear 1776 may be revisited. Their slogan back then was “No taxation without representation.” That is pretty much what we have today.

How do I become one of the 1%?

You are so right. We are feeling the impact now. They can achieve power and wealth over you by using disinformation and fiat money. We let them manipulate us through the making of laws that they use to their advantage. The internet is the next step by cencoring and making it costly to subscribe certain websites, but they said it’s for our own good.

Thank you again Bob.

This is what James Orwell wrote when he wrote Animal Farm and 1984, so this is really know surprise to me. I read those books 38 years ago. James was a genius. Sure wish I had known him.

Jacque,

Not James, his pen name was George Orwell, his real name, was Eric Arthur Blair, a liberal socialist.George also wrote 84,it resembles Stalin’s Russia.Another writer,Aldous Huxley,He wrote Brave New world.You can order these books over the internet.Check them out.They are interesting.

That’s easy DB, just change your name to Rothschild or Rockefeller…

Denniso, Bob is like me not loyal to the Republican party he is being loyal to God. George Bush was far from ideal. Look at someones past deeds, friends, parents, schools, and business assoates. You will get the picture of who they are and what they will do. Wake-up or our destruction is comming. Read the Declaration of Indpendance and the Constitution. Contrary to the lies put out by the ” Left ” these were God fearing and very wise men. Mike

Mike – Always have to have someone else to blame instead of the mug in the mirror. We the people are the whole government complex, yet we only gritch about everything instead of admitting to our errors and trying to do something about it. While you have your index finger pointing at someone else, you have your middle, ring and little finger pointing back at yourself. Take a good look at your hand and your thumb may be pointing to GOD.

Mike,
You are so correct!

Gee Denniso, do you really expect me to buy your line of BS ?
” To echo what many rightwingers are spouting,that ‘government is enemy no. 1, is exactly what helps precipitate acts of violence like the Oklahoma City bombing by McVeigh and the recent plane attack on the IRS in Austin…”
—
So, it wouldn’t be that “the recent pilot” in Autsin outlined 4 or 5 personal tax rape situations that caused him to attack, right Denniso ? Instead, you claim it’s posters and talkers that may or may not have gotten the shaft before… and therfore all those talking or typing “like Bob” need to “shutup !” according to you, and your infantile analysis, because they “helped precipitate” the Austin IRS building attack…
You know, if you weren’t such a mind controlled numbskulled liberal robot that repeats left wing talking points before even thinking about them, you might have had a point.
BUT YOU DON’T.
It’s rather clear Denniso that some programmer that gets his retirement acct. raped 3 or 4 times by the IRS has his own ideas when it comes to “what’s wrong with the government” that probably BLOW AWAY anything and everything anyone, including you, could concoct in text or speech on some website or in person.
If some entity RAPES your retirement account multiple times, and even after YEARS of letter writing, phone calling, meeting attendance, and PLEADING the redress of grievance, you are stlil ignored, as was the fella in Austin – THERE’S NOT A CHANCE IN DILLWEED DICKO THAT SOMETHING BOB SAID HERE SENT THE GUY OVER THE EDGE!
Now, next time, please take a second or two thinking before you spew some censoring free speech crap at posters here because you, “mr homeleand security” thought in your tiny, encased peanut like mind, that “they’re vocally inciting terrorists”.
Tell ya what lefto, hike into a Mosque, or Obama’s former Rev. Wright church and coem back and tell us about inciting hatred and action – heck ISN’T THAT EXACTLY WHAT COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO !!
hahahhaha

SiliconDoc …GREAT!

So Dennisso you havent read this healthcare bill that puts the govt in every aspect of our lives.I for one will not live under anyone.for a long time we have been ruled by the govt only this is the thing.We are supposed to rule the govt.I dont know what kind of govt we have today a cross between Fascism and Communism.We are supposed to have a Republic.the govt is there to Protect rights not Take them away.
When a govt starts regulating and limiting rights they are no longer rights.they become privileges.

The scary thing is that some people believe the demagogs who are taking over America are responding to the people, when the people clearly no longer want the lies and grand schemes that were thrown at them in the last election. The marxist regime in washington is hell bent to do what they want to do without the consent of the electorate, or dealing with anyone who does not totally accept their philosophy. Their new defintion of “bi-partisan” is “do what I want, you have no say in this.” They will do this because they believe the rest of us are too stupid and need their direction and state control to save us. Democrat voters will not open their eyes to the reality of what is happening. When someone plays back the examples of lying and deception of their politicos, they scream “rightwing extremists”. This country was created by right wingers, and will do perfectly well if we prevent the demos from changing us to European socialist failures. It is such outrageous leftwing actions that cause severe reactions to the right that are so destructive. Do democrats only read their own revisionist history, and not know anything about the past?
Such arrogance, and power grabbing will be defeated this year. Proof that our country has always been the only hope of freedom. They cannot take that away, the genie is out of the bottle.

Well said, Denniso.

Too long, So long.

The only things I see on this board that are absurd, Denniso, are your Hyperbolic comments, and those of your fellow condescending, thieving Liberals.

DaveH…’hyperbolic statements’???Do you know the definition of the word and do you read any of your buddies garbage on here? Get real!!!

DENNISON, HOW POLITICALLY NAIVE AND IGNORANT YOU HAVE TO BE ! …WE ARE NOT IN A DEMOCRACY, ADOLPH HITLER LIKE GEORGE BUSH OR OBAMA WAS ALSO ELECTED. ELECTIONS ARE FIXED. NUMBER ONE
SECOND DEMOCRACY MEANS “GOVERNED BY THE PEOPLE” (IN GREEK) SO WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU GOVERNED ? DID YOU CHOOSE TO GIVE THE TARP MONEY TO WALL STREET ? DID YOU VOTE FOR THAT DECISION ? THERE ARE 10 LOBBYISTS FOR EVERY CONGRESSMAN, WHO LOBBY FOR US ?
BETWEEN A DEFENSE CONTRACTOR LIKE KBR OR HALIBURTON WHO MAKE BILLIONS ON GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS (KBR HEAD QUARTER IS “OFF SHORE” THEY DO NOT PAY ANY TAX) WHO LOBBY CONGRESS TO INCREASE THE “WARFARE STATE” BUDGET AND YOU OR ME. WHO DO YOU THINK CONGRESS WILL LISTEN TO? TO MAKE THEIR “FINAL DECISION”.
DEMOCRACY OR PLUTOCRACY ? I SAY “CORPORATOCRACY” WHICH IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN BIG GOVERNMENT AND BIG CORPORATIONS. THERE IS ANOTHER NAME FOR IT “FASCISM” SO THE COMPARISON TO THE NAZIS IS NOT THAT FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
I SUGGEST DENNISO TO READ OUR CONSTITUTION AND TAKE A REAL GOOD LOOK AT WHAT AMERICA IS BECOMING TODAY, READ THE PATRIOT ACT… PLEASE !
NOW A WAKE UP CALL :
OUR NATIONAL DEBT IS ALMOST $ 13 TRILLIONS , 350% OF OUR GDP, NOT CREATED BY RIGHT WINGERS OR LIBERALS BUT BY OUR SYTEM OF “CREATION OF FIAT MONEY” AND HERE HOW :
(GOOGLE FINANCIAL MESS-THE REAL DEAL BY MICHAEL MITROSKY)
OUR FEDERAL RESERVE, A CARTEL OF PRIVATE BANKS WHO BY LAW (SINCE 1913) HAS THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO ISSUE OUR CURRENCY PRINTS OUR $100, $20 OR $1 BILLS FOR THE COST OF 4 CENTS AND THEN SELLS THOSE BILLS ($100,$20 ETC) TO THE U.S GOVERNMENT FOR (100,20) FACE AMOUNT. OUR GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR THEM IN DEBT: TREASURY BONDS,TREASURY NOTES AND TREASURY BILLS. YOU’LL HEAR OUR MEDIA SAY : “THE FED INJECTED LIQUIDITY INTO THE MARKET”
ALL THIS MEANS IS THAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS LITERALLY CREATING MONEY OUT OF THIN AIR AND THEN SELLING THIS MONEY TO OUR GOVERNMENT FOR ITS FACE AMOUNT.
THIS IS THE TRUE SOURCE OF OUR NATIONAL DEBT, AND THIS IS THE REASON OUR DEBT NEVER GOES DOWN NO MATTER WHO IS THE PRESIDENT, OR IS IN CONGRESS.
THE GRACE COMMISSION REPORT (GOOGLE IT) DEMONSTRATED THAT NONE OF THE PERSONAL INCOME TAX GOES TO PAY FOR ANY GOVERNMENT SERVICES (ROADS, SCHOOLS, MILITARY) AND IS USED TO PAY ONLY THE INTEREST ON THE NATIONAL DEBT. IN FACT BOTH THE INCOME TAX AND THE FEDERAL RESERVE WERE CREATED IN THE SAME YEAR 1913. THE INCOME TAX WAS CREATED TO FINANCE THE FEDERAL RESERVE. NOW WHO DO YOU THINK IS REALLY IN CHARGE, OR IN CONTROL OF THE” BOTTOM LINE POLICIES” ? THE BANKRUPTED BORROWER OR THE CREDITOR ?
THE U.S. DECLARED BANKRUPTCY (SECRETLY) IN 1933 AS EXPRESSED IN ROOSEVELT’S EXECUTIVE ORDERS 6073, 6102, 6111, and 6260, HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 192 OF JUNE 5, 1933 CONFIRMED IN PERRY v .U.S. (1935) 294 U.S. 330-381, 79 LEd 912, AS WELL AS 31 UNITED STATES CODE (USC) 5112, 5119 AND 12 USC 95a. OUR RULING ELITE OR “BANKSTERS” GOAL WAS ,AND STILL IS, TO ABSORB AMERICA INTO A ONE-WORLD PRIVATE COMMERCIAL GOVERNMENT, A “NEW WORLD ORDER” IN LATIN “NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM’ WHICH IS PRINTED ON OUR SINGLE DOLLAR BILL UNDER THE PYRAMID SINCE….1933. (THAT INCLUDE A WORLD CURRENCY FROM THE WORLD BANK, FOLLOWING A FUTURE STAGED MAJOR GLOBAL CRISIS OR A MAJOR WAR LIKE WW3 STARTED WITH IRAN/ISRAEL)
SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DISCREDIT THIS ARTICLE AND BLAMING THE WRITER FOR NOT SPELLING A NAME RIGHT DENNISO SHOULD EDUCATE HIMSELF ON THE SUBJECT. GOOGLE THE FOLLOWING :
” THE BANKERS MANIFESTO OF 1892″ (DEMONSTRATING MAJOR BANKERS STRATEGY TO CONTROL THE MARKET
“THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND’ BY G .EDWARD GRIFFIN (the VIDEO IS FREE AND BOOK)
OUR “ELECTED OFFICIALS” ARE JUST FRONT MEN,THEY SERVE THEIR PUPPET MASTERS : THOSE WHO CONTROL THE ISSUANCE OF OUR CURRENCY (AND POLICIES) THROUGH THE DEBT SYSTEM.(CENTRAL BANKERS AND WORLD BANK) THE OLIGARCHY, THE RULING ELITE …THE REAL POWER TO BE, (PART OF THE 1%) what ever you want to call it….IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP !
GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK.

SHA BAM, you are well read and by that i mean you find the facts. I would assume based on your insight that you see the futility in resistance. This plan is marching forward and there is nothing any of us could do to convince others that its even a plan much less do anything to abate it. My education has just started in the last few years and what an eye opener, I have labored under such gross miss conceptions my entire life, completely fooled to the point of blindness. All the sources and information on facts you have researched are a remarkable effort of response for such a whimsical web article. I have come to the conclusion that a look at the past only warns us of the future with out affording the possibility of changing the future. We can not change what is determined for this world but we can find a path to the next one. That world is as obvious as the facts you have pointed out yet, most of us are just as fooled about that reality as well. We can find hope in the truth if we are willing to humble our selves and acknowledge that we are subordinate to a creator who is as relevant as the air we breath.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS ARTICLE, YOU HAVE BROUGHT LIGHT TO A SITUATION THAT IS IN THE DARK FOR MOST PEOPLE. GOD BLESS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novus_ordo_seclorum
Means “New Order of the Ages” not “New World Order” and is from the 1700′s Please check your facts before SHOUTING THEM ON HERE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS …….. It might be easier to believe some of the conspiracy proponents if they would use “real facts”

MARC THE “NEW WORLD ORDER” IS A FACT, YOUR PHONY “CORRECTION” IS BASED ON A TRANSLATION OR “INTERPRETATION” OF THE WORDS “NOVO ORDO SECLORUM” WHICH IS JUST A VERY SMALL OR INSIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR STORY
WHY DON’T YOU GIVE US THE “FACTS” ON THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM EXPLAINED ON
“THE FINANCIAL MESS- THE REAL DEAL” BY MICHAEL MITROSKY…(GOOGLE IT AND LEARN : FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING IS A FACT AND CAN BE FOUND ON FEDERAL RESERVE DOCUMENTS NOW “CONVENIENTLY” OUT OF PRINT, I HAVE COPIES GIVEN TO ME BY A FORMER EXECUTIVE AT THE NEW YORK FED,
THE FEDERAL INCOME TAX WAS CREATED JUST A FEW MONTH AFTER THE FEDERAL RESERVE WAS BORN , (THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT WAS PASSED ON DECEMBER 23 1913), THIS IS A FACT NOT A “THEORY” AND IT WAS NOT A COINCIDENCE… THE FEDERAL INCOME TAX WAS CREATED TO FINANCE THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM, ANY BODY WHO CAN READ CAN GOOGLE ” THE GRACE COMMISSION REPORT : NOT ONE DIME COLLECTED ON INCOME TAX GOES TO PAY FOR GOVERNMENT SERVICES THIS IS A FACT NOT A “CONSPIRACY THEORY” AND IT IS USED TO PAY ONLY THE INTEREST ON THE NATIONAL DEBT, WHICH IS CREATED BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE ( THE FED PRINT OUR FIAT DOLLAR FOR 4 CENTS AND SELL IT BACK TO OUR GOVERNMENT FOR FULL FACE VALUE, SO WHO DO YOU THINK PAYS FOR THE COST OF “BORROWING” THAT MONEY ?)
WHY DON’T YOU CHECK THE FACTS ON ROOSEVELT’S EXECUTIVE ORDERS 6073, 6102, 6111, and 6260
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 192 OF JUNE 5 1933 CONFIRMING THAT THE U.S. DECLARED BANKRUPTCY IN 1933 (SEE NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND CONGREGATIONAL RECORDS)
GOOGLE : BANKERS MANIFESTO OF 1892 (HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF,ANOTHER FACT )
I REMEMBER THE IDIOTS ALL SCREAMING ” CONSPIRACY THEORY” WHEN THE FIRST ARTICLE ON THE WATERGATE BURGLARY CAME OUT…I STILL LAUGH BECAUSE THE REAL CONSPIRACY BEHIND WATERGATE IS STILL NOT KNOWN BY THE VAST MAJORITY.
THOSE WHO REFUSE TO FACE THE FACTS AND ACCUSE THE ONES WHO DID THE RESEARCH OF BEING “CONSPIRACY THEORISTS” AND WHO ALWAYS GO ALONG WITH THE “OFFICIAL THEORY” AND GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA NEVER BRING THE DETAILED DOCUMENTATION TO PROVE THEIR CASE., THEY JUST DISMISS WITHOUT DOING THEIR HOME WORK.
OBEDIENT SHEEPS WHO NEVER QUESTION AUTHORITY AND NEVER THINK ON THEIR OWN, IS WHAT
GOVERNMENT LOVE, ESPECIALLY COMMUNISTS AND RIGHT WING FASCISTS REGIMES….KEEP BEING A GOOD BOY MARC,
WHY NOBODY EVER ASKED THAT OBVIOUS QUESTION :
WHY OUR GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH A BANKING CARTEL TO ISSUE THEIR OWN CURRENCY AND PAY FULL PRICE , WHICH CREATES A HUGE NATIONAL DEBT TO BE PAID WITH A FEDERAL INCOME TAX RATHER THAN ISSUING THEIR CURRENCY AT ALMOST NO COST (4 CENTS) AND THEREFORE NOT EVEN HAVING THE NEED TO COLLECT AN INCOME TAX, OUR GOVERNMENT WAS OPERATED WITHOUT ANY INCOME TAX COLLECTED BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE, FOR OVER 100 YEARS …THAT IS A FACT. (CHECK OUR CONSTITUTION) …
CORPORATE TAX OF COURSE IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
IT IS A TAX ON PROFIT ONLY, WHICH IS THE REAL DEFINITION OF INCOME AND ACCEPTABLE
I KNOW THE ANSWER IT CAN BE FOUND IN THE BOOK “THE CREATURE OF JEKYLL ISLAND BY ED GRIFFIN. (GOOGLE THE VIDEO FOR FREE)
CONCLUSION FOR MARC AND THE BLIND BELIEVERS OF “OFFICIAL STORIES” :

“RATIONALITY BELONGS TO THE COOL OBSERVER BECAUSE OF THE STUPIDITY OF THE AVERAGE MAN WHO FOLLOWS NOT REASON BUT FAITH AND HIS NAIVE FAITH REQUIRES NECESSARY ILLUSIONS AND EMOTIONALLY POTENT OVERSIMPLIFICATION PROVIDED BY THE MYTH MAKERS TO KEEP THE BELIEVER ON COURSE”

NOW, HERE IS THE ‘CASUS KNAXUS’: TO FIND OUT WHO ARE THE TRUE HEADS OF THE ‘MONEY-MAKING / PRINTING’ SYSTEM (FEDERAL RESERVE, ETC.), SINCE IT IS ESTABLISHED THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS NOTHING ELSE BUT A BUNCH OF ‘ELECTED’ GLORIFIED RECEPTIONISTS FOR THIS GROUP (A VERY SMALL PART OF THE 1%)!

ISAAC

you are an idiot

Denniso, Boy are you naive! As for the right You are naive as well. I know many on that side that protested but didn’t get our point across. That sure doesn’t make us Timothy McVeigh. If you believe Obuma has some semblance of control, you are joking, RIGHT? By your writing I would guess you work for the gov’t and a Progressive. As for me I normally vote(R)because I have been a buisness owner (2) and under the Dem’s it was really tough. Through Carter and the first years of Clinton until Gingrich helped him out. And these are facts. The Dems want to invoke the fairness doctrine,to control the media but the Liberal media can’t cut it so put them on a conservative show?,the dems love the fed which controls the money of which Geitner came from, the big push for the swine flu shots which has mercury in them, the most toxic of materials and no need to be in this shot, public education which doesn’t teach our history (check it out,I have)and most colleges are way left, and you if interested can google it. BOTH sides need to be heard! I do not put myself in the Republican niche because I view myself as a Fiscal Conservative and both do not abide by this view. I love my country and I have fought for this country and I see it going to hell in a hand basket. If you don’t see that then I suppose there is no hope. I ‘HAD’ some Progressive friends who worked for the Gov’t all their lives and think Gov’t should run everything. They just did not understand that it is small buisness that paid their salaries and not the Gov’t! You really do need to get your facts right!!!!

The government does not have your best interests in mind. The attacks on liberty come almost daily now.

Keep screaming “RIGHT WINGERS, RIGHT WINGERS” while the miscreants in Capitol Hill pull the rug right out from under your feet. Those right wingers you’re concerned about are akin to the Founding Fathers, they are “We The People.”

Crib…w/o a reasonably powerful fed gov’t you and I would be even more at the mercy of the international corporatocracy. Think about it…

Wow! You really “just don’t get it”. The corporatocacy exists only “because” of the overly powerful Federal government. They are granted carte blanche by their buddies in Congree and the Senate.
It’s been going on almost sinse Hamilton. You really need to get your head around some objective history.

Congress…yes I can spell it

J C….you need to read some real history of the time before we enacted anti trust and anti monoply laws a hundred or so yrs ago, to see what your vision really looks like…child labor,sweat shops,no safety laws,slave wages and 6 day work weeks…You and the other rightwingers refuse to learn from our history,maybe because you don’t read it or can’t comprehend it,so you want to keep repeating it over and over. We won’t let you do that…

Sorry Kid…you’re still behind the curve.
You need to go back to Alexander Hamilton and his machinations of imperialism bordering on a monarchy style government. He brought in the first central bank and naturally he and his rich buddies used it as their personal slush fund. (Jackson abolished that bank but that’s irrelevant to my point) What you don’t get…what you just don’t understand…is that the circumstances that lead to poverty and sweat shops and alllll the other sad pictures you can paint, were occurring as a direct result of too damned much power concentrated in the hands of government and its rich buddies…a “monopoly” you might say.
And in your twisted rendition of history, you feel that “more” government somehow solved all of that? No way, it put a band aid on it. And now as a result of alllll this wonderful government intervention….the whole damned country is one big sweat shop.
Nice try though. Go ahead and keep rooting for BIG GOVERNMENT. They always have your best interests in mind…right denniso?

Denniso,
We are a republic NOT a democracy.

A lot of valid points for sure but, this idea that its politics is wrong. It make no difference what party you believe in,,,they are all used by the same banking powers. When we were kids we knew that the guy with the mansion and all the stuff was in control of his world and we wanted to be like him,,,maybe. He could get what he wanted when he wanted it because of money. Later in life we realized this money principal worked for everything, the rich kids could always get out of trouble because they came from money and, later they could influence politicians and get the laws they wanted for business interests. Well we all know how concentrated world banking powers are and I must say we would be naive to assume that such ultimate wealth and power would maintain anything less than ultimate control but, on the bright side Im sure all those powerful pharmaceutical CEO’s that Barack met with will have a positive influence on him to do what is best for the USA. Or all the major financial institutions that backed him 3 to 1 over the republican candidate for the first time in decades. It was said by a very controversial figure once that ” you can not serve both God and money” Im pretty sure money is the god of this world,,,,,which god do you want and serve?

Good articles. Yahweh’s (God) people are given much knowledge.

http://www.rense.com/general81/abig.htm A puppet?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/will-bunch/reagan-bush-and-how-presi_b_168098.html More puppets

How stupid you are is shown well with what you wrote. You are just another idiot that was indeed indoctrinated in the indoctrination centers they call public schools. You learned nothing about the history of the world and thereby it will only repeat itself again. What a shame that you and the ilks of you want to be in control. You now have your Marxist leaders in place, obama, pelosi, reid, and all the chicago style henchmen and I see many more idiots posted after you. Be damn well certain America is the Greatest experiment that ever transpired in the history of the world. Remember you cannot and will not overthrow the Almighty God who gives us our Inalienable rights. Americans will not stand by for the overthrow of Our great Nation. Sad reality has it that so many of you deranged idiots are not Americans at all. Just because you may have been born on the soil of America is not good enough to classify one an American, American is a mindset and one damn well worth having. God has blessed America and now it is time for Americans and her inhabitants to honor Him. This is the most Blessed nation on earth and will always be if we will obey Him. Abortion is a huge scourge on this Nation and one cannot expect God’s blessings for that travesty.

Denniso the first comment you said wack jobs like timothy Mcviegh, first off he was a decorated veteran. Also the only reason why he “went off” is because his wife and 3 kids were murdered by the FBI at waco you gullable news suckling moron! maybe if you got off your stupid ass and searched for the real truth about things you wouldn’t be just another sheep in the flock of ignorance! All the bodies at waco were tansported to a unrefrigerated morge near the mexican border and left on stainless steel exam tables to rot for over a month before the families could claim them!this was done On purpose, so any physical trace of the horrors these poor people had to undure was undetectable. However when McViegh claimed his family and they scooped their remains into transport containers somehow one of the government cronies missed one of his kids when they did the bullet extractions and like marbles they fell out of the rotten corpse on the steel. Timothy wrote of this to everyone he knew pleading for help he paid for a private autopsy of the rest of his family which resulted in more obvious cover ups about the way they died. the bullets were223s while all the dividians had 7.62s, 223 is the cal. the feds use moron! Timothy was looking for anyone to help him avenge his families murder but because these people didn’t conform they were slaughtered here in our own country. So he took on the battle all by himself! Something I only pray does have to happen to the rest of us.

You sound like you’re out of your mind,dude…McVeigh DID NOT have a wife and 3 kids killed at Waco. Hard to believe there are idiots like you who actually defend a sicko incinerating little kids in their day care school,thinking they are starting a war against the feds. SICK…

Sicko Sam…OK,bozo, to refresh my memory I looked up evil McVeigh. He WAS NEVER MARRIED,LET ALONE HAD KIDS,AND HARDLY EVER EVEN HAD A GIRLFRIEND. SO, all you’re doing is lying through your teeth while trying to justify the murder of babies and kids…you should be freaking ashamed of your idiocy for making those stupid a*s comments that you or some other moron made up out of thin air…ridiculous!!!

Oh, I forgot…reading up on some of McVeigh’s stupid writings and spoutings,they sound very much like what the majority of the rightwing extremists on this site are spewing…the same old,mindless crap. Can’t you people do any better than to regurgitate what a mass murderer said??

well said

Sam – I’m not sure where you got your info on Timothy McVeigh – but he was never married – just a goofy guy with an idiotic mission to kill people – along with many little children. There’s nothing brave or heroic in that to me – Being pissed at the Government doesn’t give you permission to kill the innocents.

Sorry I did not notice one mention of Obama or Democrats in the article. He spoke of government, this govermnent includes both Democrats and Republicans, liberal and conservative, you need to get off your holier than thou soapbox and take a good look at what your government is doing on a daily basis to transform this country into a fascist state. It is happening right before your eyes, take off the liberal blinders and look around. Your dollar is not worth the paper it is printed on, internment camps are being constructed nationwide, more and more of your freedom is being taken from you. I am sick and tired of people like you who cannot see the forest for the trees and just keep drinking the kool aid your party feeds you. It’s all the Republicans fault, it’s all the republicans fault. Really? Both Obama and Mccain were Senators for the 8 yoears of Bush, what did they do about the mess he left us. Cant you see they are all to blame as is everyone who listened to all of them and bought into their BS.It is time to get rid of them all…

Hello? Some people will not wake up until they shovel dirt in their faces. It is bad enough to be ignorant but even worse if you don’t have a clue.
These idiots in Washington think thay are smarter than all of us and their egotistocal attitude proves it. They think that they are quailified to know what is best for all of us. THEY THINK they are the only smart people that have ever been born. Some in this country are followers and some are leaders and it seems that most in this country are so relaxed and sorry that want someone else to make their decisions for them and make it all better and they will trust anyone and believe a lie just because they are too lazy or spoiled to make an effort to do for themselves or find out the truth. There is a Sunami coming in this country and most cannot see it. If you like slavery and Communism, then just keep supporting these conlrolling liberals.

I think Sir or Mam, which ever you may be,should look with open mind and heart at the real and true history of this country and how we got to this sorry state we find ourselves in today.I suggest you do a search on the internet through GOOGLE,AOL, BitTourent or whatever search engine you like and look for any of the fowlling:
THE MONEY MASTERS or THE FALL OF THE REPUBLIC
They are well produced Video Movies that explaines in simple easy to understand English what has taken place behind the secens since just before 1900. I am not trying to sell you or anybody else anything including my thoughts or belifes. I just hope everyone will look for and watch these videos with a open mind and come to your own conclousion. It is all Real History. In short right after the Civil War there were a few Amendments to the Consitution to help those recently freed from Slavery or involuntary servitude to enforce each and every person has the right to Life,Liberty and the persuit of Happiness. About 1900 give or take a few years, the big companies like Standard Oil- the Steel cos.-Lumber Cos.and so on got together and formed the Oil Corps.-Steel Corps.-Lumber Corps. and so on. Before this period in history all companies had to have a charter to do buisness. Each Charter had to be renewed every five years or so. By forming Corpertions these Big Companies could aply to the Supreme Court and Declare they were Individule Persons by the meaning of Corperation.That being all officers of a said Company. IE: Pres.-Vice Pres.-General Mang.-Manger- and so on. Being granted first in N.J. and than Maryland it quickley spread across the country. Once able to side-step haveing to be chartered the could do business however they pleased. Being charted ment they had to show that they were good for the Country and it’s People. Not makeing things with our resources like minerals or Labor to use agienst the US or hinder it’s welfare.
In 1910 the heads of these big Corps. and some of the Richest men in the World held a Priviet Meeting on an Island off the Georgia Coast called Jeckel Island. the meeting last 3 weeks. Three years after it was over that same group talked the Fedreal Goverment to let them form The Fedreal Reserve and take over the Currancey of the US. The year was 1913 and that was the real start of the trouble for this country. I have gone long enough. Hopefully they will post this Reply. You never know who realy controls the websites. PS:I know my spelling stinks, so save your breath…!!

CaptVitto, I’m not sure if Denniso’s head is in the sand or up his_ss
but I do agree with you and Bob. Bob is doing a great service to real Americans and not the Blind Sheeple like Denniso by providing a forum to try and open the eyes of the country to what is Really going on.
It may sound like violent talk but just as in the American Revoulution
action may have to be taken to get the country back for the 99% of its people. Right now at least many more people are finding out how they are being fed half or untruths in the media and realizing that political manipulations Have been used before (under fascism & dictatorship).Also this 1% club has the decendents of the same families that financed the original taking of the New World for England and just as then they will surly kill anyone who threatens their stangle hold on our economies.

This 1% controlling 99% is also factually wrong and ridiculous at the same time. If we count all the people who work for the various governments(city,county,state,feds) in the country,there are a lot more than 1% of the population. Is the guy/gal plowing your highways in the middle of a blizzard part of the 1% because they work for the county? How about the city workers digging ditches to fix a sewage pipe so you can conveniently flush your toilet every day?? Are they part of the evil,controlling 1%???

That’s a ridiculous question. It misses the entire point of the article and postings.

J C…you must not have read the article. Livingston is railing against ‘the government’ controlling ‘the people’. The gov’t is made up of workers and legislators,who do indeed work for the gov’t. This demonizing of all things government is simplistic and idiotic.

You’re entitled to your opinion. I rail against government in a general way because there is simply too much of it. Far, far too many dependants. Far far too much power concentrated in the hands of too few people. It’s a parasite and its killing us. Don’t forget denniso,
it wasn’t government that made America great, it was people. The downhil slide we are on…well “that” was created by government.
It’s what they do best.

There’s nothing wrong w/ debating the most efficient size and role of all gov’t's in our society. What’s wrong is for the right wing to blame all gov’t for all the problems we have..wrong and simplistic.
I wonder if you don’t think that our fed gov’t had a major role in defeating Hitler? Didn’t the gov’t mobilize the people and nationalize industries and ration goods in the giant effort to fight the greatest evil of our time?? Wasn’t it Roosevelt(liberal that he was) who led the effort? W/o a large enough fed gov’t could we have stopped Nazism?? Could loosely organized and weak states have done it?
Don’t think so…

Capt Vito,
Well said, and in a few words. Dennisonites are the scariest of all creatures in the world. If only they would go live in the countries they admire so much. the majority of the world is made of their kind of government, and life style. Why do they suffer to help all of us live by their standards. Truely, liberalism is a mental illness.

For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

I just wonder where all this hate and talk of violence was during the 8 yrs of Cheny/Bush…secret surveilance on Americans, 2 unfinished wars,billions of tax dollars wasted by price gouging American suppliers in the wars,a couple of trillion $$ added to our national debt,9/11 ocurring under Bush, the economic collapse starting under Bush,5,000+ American kids slaughtered under Bush w/ another 80,000 maimed, and still more neglect of the country under the 2 clowns.

Did you rightwingers just wake up from a long sleep,or is it that you were just blindly loyal to your ‘conservative’ party,and now you get the chance to try to destroy a Dem president?
The blatant hypocrisy of the right screaming that the sky is now following after 8 yrs of the worst administration in our history, is nothing but idiotic. If you fools want to continue blathering like this w/ no actual substance,well, at least we get a good laugh from it,though it sure makes most of you look like high school dropouts…sad…

The crosshairs are on YOU! ha ha ha

You assume a lot. In your mind I would be considered a “right winger,” I couldn’t stand Bush! When can we stop talking about Bush?
Obama and his administration full of freaks are a wrecking crew, the amount of damage they have done in one year is astounding, much of it irreparable. They are wreaking havoc today! Bush-is-not-in-office. If you can manage to get over your “Bush Derangement Syndrome” the truth will be much more evident.

From reading your postings it sounds like you are regurgitating talking points rather than thinking for yourself. Take the blinders off.

Denniso, you do have a point. I think you know I’m not an advocate for either of the major socialist parties. I’m a Libertarian who believes very much in the Constitution and American values. (Two things you know little or nothing about it would seem.) But you’re right, Bush should have been impeached for spying on us in our homes.
They’re all working for the same puppeteers whether they wear a red tie or a blue tie.

Crib…we can stop talking about Cheny/Bush when rightwingers quit blaming Obama and the Dems for the mess we’re in, and when the Repubs start joining the effort to dig the country out of the ditch and stop actively trying to demolish the country even more.

J C…I’m glad you agree on the damage Bush did to the country,but you’re very wrong on my view and feelings for the constitution…and, just what are ‘American values’?? Are they what most humans live by?
Work, family,country,clean environment,peace rather than war,helping our neighbors???

denniso, my idea of American Values is simple. Morality. Now one has to give that word some serious thought in order to see where it does and doesn’t apply to our present system. Let’s say I were to go door to door soliciting money to “organize and improve” the neighborhood and every time I approach someone’s door I tell them that everyone else I spoke with agrees and everyone else gave me money so they should too, so they do…then I spend some of that money to say, have the garbage hauled away, but mostly I keep the money and suggest that I didn’t get enough to do a good job so I need more. Is that moral?
What if the next time I came around my request had the force of law behind it…and the implied violence that comes with enforcing that law…has it become moral yet? Probably not. What I have actually accomplished is legalized fraud.
That’s one example and it’s a little abstract, but perhaps you get the drift.
Our system of taxation is immoral. I believe user fees should be in place to support infrastructure (ie: on fuel, luxury items) and some damned good accounting to go with it. Leave people’s paychecks alone and they will create an economy that government control couldn’t even touch.

I would argue that most people within this forum (including myself) are not cheerleaders for the Bush-Cheney 8 year reign of unconstitutionally driven war and loss or rights at home.

So what’s your answer to America’s gradually imploding economic front? Do you feel that the accelerated drive of hyper-Keynesian stimulus and banker bailout is the way to go? One responder stated that the national debt is now over $13 trillion, when in fact I think it is now about $14.1 trillion? Do these staggering numbers concern you? And if they do (as they should!), what do you propose be done to reverse this trend toward greater and greater trillions of dollars of public debt? Do you feel that the fiat money system has had anything to do with our roughly 14 trillion dollar national debt? Why or why not?

WE ALL COULD USE A SPELL CHECK; SEVERAL SPELLING ERRORS–EFFECT SHOULD BE AFFECT IN THIS INSTANCE, AND SEVERAL OTHERS TOO–

bEST WISHES TO ALL.

Not to mention proofreading. And, you and several other need to learn how to turn off the caps lock on your keyboard. All caps, you remember, mean YELLING!

George – spell check doesn’t usually check for the wrong word usage, just correct spelling.

Well, I guess that correct spelling or mistakes on a stupid comment makes all the difference, that is the trouble with this ignorant society, we worry about the insignificant things. Strain at a knat and swollow a Camel.

The intended meaning in some of these is lost through poor typing, poor spelling and poor grammar.

Our schools and present Education are also a problem.