JOSEPH LARSON
I have to disagree with you.
I think Obama is doing a good job at a very difficult time. He did not create this mess. The economy exploded before he even took office.
What he needs now is all the help and brain power he can muster. What he’s getting from the Dems. is discussion and action, unfortunatly most of it is for personal political posturing with little real concern for the US. What he’s getting from the Reps. is nothing but venom, hate, and foot dragging, in an attempt to discredit him. Our enemies must be delighted to see a badly divided and ill functioning America.
If the government were a private corporation, non-team players could simply be fired and replaced with reliable, capable individuals. The government doesn’t have that luxury.
With regard to Obama’s reelection: If it were held today, even at this bottoming of the economy, he would surely be elected. He has no competition. All the polls show he is ahead of a generic Republican, and any of the so called top contenders.

Do you ever wonder why the first “revolution” since the break from England is occuring again as I write this? Why are you saying “hatred for Obama” when you should be saying, “hatred for who he is and how he acts”. When everything we stand for, as Americans, is being destroyed before our eyes you have to think that something more is happening than mere “hatred”. Lots of people disliked Nixon, and certainly Clinton was immoral, but nothing approaches the rebellion we are seeing today.

Maybe the very core of our existence is at stake, and our children and grandchildren will suffer for what we did…if we don’t say “STOP” and “STOP NOW”! Look at my last name and try and remember who wrote our national anthem. I am extremely patriotic and I think the rest of America is “remembering” under duress and under the most inappropriate president to ever hold the office, what it is to BE AN AMERICAN.

It is time to stand up and be counted among the ones who care and can see the bigger picture. Please don’t rail at the insurance companies…it is time for all of us to take responsibility for our actions including our health (or lack of it). Thanks for reading!

Norm – go here:

http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare

Then go here:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/CBO-Prepublican-health-plan-would-reduce-premiums–69270747.html

The republicans have put forth numerous ideas but none have been publicized by mainstream media. I particularly like the last link – it says the Republican plan would indeed reduc e the deficity and decrease premiums.

Norm,
Why don’t you address the other points that are stated above? IE the fact that Obummer doesn’t cover his heart when the anthem is played, He isw unAmerican??

Joe H.
You call the elected president of the United States Obummer. Isn’t that unamerican? At best, it’s rude and hateful.

Gee whiz, Norm. Weren’t you one of the main contriutors to that book!

Eyes,
Typical that you would clap for that it doesn’t make any sense!!! Like I said earlier, hands clapping and brain ratteling!!!!

JoeH…talk about confused? Expected!

Joe, that’s cause you didn’t read it, or comphrend it, one or the other. Not my fault.

DaveH
The problem is that you and I could live with little or no government rules, regulations or social programs. Others, perhaps the majority of Americans, can not.
One of the reasons that healthcare costs are so high is that the payers, insured or self funded, have to pay for themselves and all the non payers.
If everyone was like me(and you?), we would not need locks on doors, police forces, judges and the expensive legal system, jails, medicaid, non refundable student loans and all the rest. Everyone is not like that unfortunately.
If we didn’t have forced participation in the social security and medicare programs, you would have millions of destitude old people begging in the streets. People without the foresight to take care of their own affairs. At least, with the present system, most of these folks were forced to kick cash into the system for their own elderly care costs. Social Security is only taxed for the first $100K(or so) of income, so it is not the rich who are finiancing it. Also SS has been a profit center for the government not a loss. It’s taken in more than a trillion dollars than it has spent since it’s inception. The fact this money was wasted on other government priorities is shameful.

Norm,
Then I guess the main difference between you and me is that I have faith that my fellow citizens would learn to take care of themselves if they weren’t given the illusion of a safety net. I say illusion, because SS premiums don’t go into a trust fund. As fast as government gets the receipts, they pay them back out to somebody else. In other words, a Ponzi Scheme. And it will fail some day.
When we treat people like children, they will behave like children. Witness Tim’s comments.
If you want a window to reality, just observe how teens behave until they get out of the house and have to pay their own way. Suddenly, they become decent human beings.
If we got the government out of our everyday lives, our economy would be so robust, that charity would have no trouble caring for the few people who really did suffer misfortune through no fault of their own.

Yes. Government needs to stick with those things that it can do best like providing national defense to protect the country from foreign enemies, enforcing law and order at home to keep the peace, providing a legal structure that helps markets work more productively in an open and competitive environment, providing a national currency and ensuring it doesn’t lose its value, etc. It needs to stay out of any business that can be served by private industries in a competitive environment.

Norm,
If the government was truly worried about the elders, they wouldn’t have raided the fund like they have over the years. The fund is almost bankrupt now and all they do is things that make less go into the fund!!! They talk health care first and jobs second. JOBS will put more into the fund Health care won’t!! The fund had a balance of well over 13 billion a scant 10 years ago and now it’s almost broke?!?!!?? Yeah, they’re really worried about the elderly!!!!

JoeH, who had control a scant 10 years ago? NO, say it ain’t so Joe!!!

Oh eyes and in your thought process that would be becasue of the administation that was in office before that! Wake the(word removed for offensive content) up both parties are screwing us there are liberals in each and every party, acutally in reality there is no difference the are playing for the same master behind the curtin!

Meteorlady,
In most of those states you DON’T have to buy insurance if you can show proof of financial responsibility, IE 50,000 cash surety or bond.

No it isn’t. Have you read the House bill? All this bill is about is more taxes on small business as well as individuals, no tort reform at all, (are you crazy – an attorney cutting himself out of business) Making all doctors whether they are a brain surgeon or a chiropractor have the same wage, tax the hospitals, BUT THE BIG POINT IS – PAY NOW BUT DON’T GET SERBIVRD FOR 4 MORE YEARS. If you want to know more, I will quote chapter and verse. I forgot the real crux of why the government wants this bill so badly – everyone will have access to not only your medical history etc., but also your finances and banking!!!!!!! And you idiots want this. Lord help us.

You must be on some other planet or something. You mentioned House bill. There were actually a few different House bills that were debated on. The one that was finally voted on and passed by the full House is a good bill. It would do all the reforms that Obama had been talking about: Provide a strong public option, emphasize prevention, cover most of the uninsured, get rid of the pre-existing condition clause that insurance companies use, get rid discrimination against pregnant women, pay for itself too, bring down the cost of health care costs. How can anyone in their right mind argue with a bill like that. The tax on upper income people is legitimate. After all, they made off like bandits wih Bush’s two tax cuts.

You must be getting your propaganda from Fox News, because you, like most of the other bloggers in here, don’t know the forest from the trees. I recommend that you watch mainstream media, instead of Fox Noise. Your mental health depends on it.

Tim, Tim, Tim,
If it is such a good bill and it was ready before sen Browns election, then why couldn’t he get it by the DEMS???? Why did he need the republicans at all? Now that the dems don’t have a super majority, they are trying to BS the repubs to try to get it passed without all the dems signing it by using the repubs!!! As the guy said above, don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining!!!

now,now, Tim
don’t get a bee in your bonnett. If you weren’t so narrow minded, you would watch FOX NEWS as well as CNN and MSNBC. You cannot get all your info from one newscast and try to be bias.

I got some news for you: The Massachusetts health care reform bill, which Scott Brown voted for and was signed into law by Republican Governor Mitt Romney, makes it mandatory for everyone to buy health insurance in the private market.

Yeah and the state is going bankrupt because of it!!!

JoeH, no it is not going bankrupt. Here is link, they even have a lower unemployment rate than the 10%, their’s is 8.7.
http://www.bis.gov/eag.ma.htm

“Time says” is the best description of Obama so far posted!

tim [al bundy look and act alike] geitner,,nancy[unamarican] pelosia..harry[the war is lost]reid,,berry[my famly is of limits but go after palin famly]obama,,charle[just pay tax you want]rangel jan[it not illegal to be in this country undocumented]nepalitano,,my point is if are goverment would stop importing over 1 million foreign worker [motel and gas station owners] close our borders 95%mexican border stop birth right citizen ship arrest and deport all illegals and there famly [and obama,s aunt] we spend 5 to 600 billions on health care a year for people that have no right to be here[health care housing food lost jobs crime] i have to obay the law. but the goverment don,t or just won,t why you ask votes to stay in power =AMNESTY=we let you stay so vote for us,, but i say in nov 2010 and 2012 if you don,t like what is going on with more and bigger not better goverment that can and will take over your life kick the bums out

Three prior presidents have done just that – deported illegals and stopped jobs to foreign workers. Eisenhower was the last and he deported 12 million in order to give jobs back the military personnel returning to the worker ranks. The program was very successful and took only two years to do.

For those the believe these people take jobs citizens don’t want – please note the workers the next time you are going past a construction site. Where I live children are moving back with their parents because they have lost their jobs. These children (adults workers) are now taking jobs landscaping, mowing lawns, working in the orchards and anything else they can get to make money. So……. if we got rid of the estimated 24 to 30 million illegals in this country we might have a net job increase of say 1/2 of that – 12 to 15 million jobs back. They might not pay much, but they will keep people working and earning something.

To do this – we would need actual politicians with balls, not the little whiney babies we have now.

Lady,
Our shortage of jobs is not a symptom of Illegals. For, sure they should be sent back if they have broken the law. But, the Government is responsible for the Job Shortage. They are sucking up so much of our financial resources that few are left for job creation. The number of jobs outstanding is dependent only on the creativity of the citizens, and that creativity is stifled by high taxes and Government busybodies that harass those who would like to start businesses.
Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.

DaveH – the government is indeed to blame. They are still issuing visas for workers. There are still many workers here on visas that last for 7 years. High tech is one of the industries where this has taken place extensively. Here in Texas the illegals are still working because they are cheap labor and they are working construction jobs which historically pay higher wages. When they are gone, the employers will have to pay at least minimum wage to get citizen workers. While I agree with you that over taxation is bad for business and jobs, I still believe that there are many many illegals and visa workers still here in this country and working. My point is that we would spend a lot less on education, health care, public housing, food stamps, etc. if we got rid of the illegals.

Let me just add, I got in an email early this week, it contains many statments made by Jay Rockefeller about Barry, Please keep in mind Mr. Rockefeller is a Democrat.
“I am beging to disbelieve anything Mr. Obama says.” “He has lost his credibility on many issues.”

Also please keep in mind this statment from Mr. Rockefeller Senate Democrat made in November 2009.
“Neither of the heath care reform bill’s clearly display that they will not cover anyone with a preexisting medical condition.”
“Such persons will be unable to acquire Health insurance at any cost.”
” These bills will without question cost the American tax payers far more than what is projected.”

Glen Beck said, “if you think Health Insurance is expencive now, just wait until its FREE.” You think he may have a point or what?

I want to respond to a few things you said:

1) You stated that Obama lost credibility. Well, the last time I saw a poll, his approval rating was at 50%, much higher than George W. Bush’s 36% when he left office; also a lot higher than the approval rating of the top republican nominee for 2012 – Scarah Palin.

2) You stated that the Democratic health care bills are going to cost more than what the Democrats said they would. That could happen realistically, but according to the CBO, the Senate Bill (which I have reservations about myself) would cut the federal deficit by $1 trillion over 10 years. You don’t hear this type of stuff on Fox News, because they want to brainwash people into hating Obama and the Democrats.

3) You quoted something that Glenn Beck. I personally can’t undertstand how any intelligent person can listen to him, or even watch Fox News for that matter. See the hyperlink below about Beck. I’m telling you, the guy is a real buffoon.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/

Comparing Bush’s ratings in his last days to Obama’s in his first year? Don’t worry, it will get worse, much worse:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

And the CBO is basing their projections on the fact that the Healthcare Bill is loaded with new Taxes that kick in far before the Healthcare costs do.

And sure, we should listen to what a left-wing (Politifact) website says.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10969

Tim,
Its very obvious your didn’t read what I posted now did you?

If you really read what I posted you would have seen clearly I used a Democratic Senator’s own words. { Not mine.}

If you were so inclined to grasp that the media you get your news / information from is at best bent better yet perverted.
Let alone controlled so tighlty that when a sliver of truth is noted its clouded with 10 X’s as much complete rhetoric.

Never at any time has opinion been equal in value to a FACT.

Look Tim, I used a quote from Glen Beck that is what any reasonable person would note as “ON Target.” that is if they knew anything about Government run services.

Now as to your posting of the web sight you have provided, have you in fact looked up what they have to say about Barry? It far outweighs any of the things posted on Mr. Beck.

Also please note Mr.Beck is not the President, thus he is not held to the same standard that Barry is.
Thus one can conclude that what you post is in fact far more daming than Mr. Beck if you wish to be held to the same standard.

Tim you seem like a reasonable person who just can’t put the puzzel together, so may I suggest that you slow down; stop being combative then do some real looking into Barry’s backround.

Lastly; Yes indeed GHCR will cut the def as heres why.
“Stealing from Peter to pay Paul.”

This is how that shell game works; All of the US pouplation will pay into a product they can’t use for 3 years, based on a simple number of 100 million X $500.00 per month X 12 X 36 = how much money that will go to pay the outstanding bonds held by China, Japan, Russia, the World bank, and all the other’s who hold this dept.

But the question that you should be asking is where’s the money going to come from to pay for the alledged HEALTH CARE after the 36 months?
If its gone to pay outstanding dept where’s the money coming from?

Look Tim the Post Office is BROKE, Social Security is BROKE, Medicare is Broke, Medicaid is broke. These are all Government run.
Ask why is that everything that the Government gets into goes broke?

Tim, tell me about Social Security and the very begining of it.

Congressmen, Senators, and the President were not elected to pass laws that grow the size and spending of government by leaps and bounds. They were not elected to pass laws that result in a takeover by government of the private sector. They were not elected to pass laws that set aside our freedoms as well as the Constitution. If politicians ignore the will of the people the consequence is, they will be voted out of office. This is the way our Republic works per the Constitution. Are you one of the Elitists or Progressives who want to set aside the Constitution? Do you want to enslave the people of this country to a “Big Brother” type of government? If so, then you should move to another country because this country is not for you. In spite of these Elitists and Progressives, and because of the Patriots, the United States will remain a Republic and our Constitution will stand. Patriotism is not treason and Patriots will not betray our constitution. I cannot say the same for the Elitists and the Progressives. Also, next time you make a comment, please get a dictionary for your spelling, and avoid arguments that are non sequitur.

Gloretha,

Forgive me but I am confused with your post, are you saying that Barry is doing a good job? That anyone who disagree’s with that is a some how a racist?

If so Let me address your post right here, right now. I for one don’t see color, nor race, nor religion. I take a person based on actions and abilitys that they claim they have. Thus I look at how they perform based on how they hold themselfs, as well how well they engage given their word.

What I see in Barry is an outright lire who fails to have the American public’s best interest in mind. I see a corrupt aggressively arrogant narcissist.

Time – May I say I agree with you 100%. I don’t even notice what
color someone’s skin is – it has jacks____ to do with anything. Watch
human beings eyes when they talk – are they looking at you – or at
the wall behind you…..you can spot a liar every time that way!! No
one lies who looks you directly in the eyes. Watch what they do and
who they keep for close company. Bingo!!! We have a loser!!! Some
people go off the deep end without a brain in their head!!

Gloretha….I will say that race has nothing to do with it…..you sound like the boy who cried wolf too many times……it doesn’t get you anywhere anymore, heard it too many times and it is meaningless. We don’t agree with his Progressive Marxist society that he wants us to turn into. Pure and simple. Nothing racial about that…..besides, he is half white….what’s racial about that if I’m white? makes no sense, does it?

The Only Racist I See In This Picture Is Obama Himself. He Has Already Proven That. Then He Thought He Could Cover It Up By Having A Beer Party. Such A Disgrace to the ones that saw it on the news. TAX PAYERS MONEY BEING USED FOOLISHLY.

You mentioned wasting the taxpayers’ money. I can think of something that did just that: That Iraq War. I would have rather had that $500 billion funding something positive, like feeding the poor, taking care of the homeless, or funding health care reform.

Gloretha..you are a idiot. If we keep going by the Obama agenda it will not be long before we will not have food on the table. We..the tax payers are ruining out of money to support all of his entitlement programs like welfare,food stamps,free housing and yes even free cell phone. Obama is spending our money and China`s as fast as we make it and give it out. Race has nothing to do with it. White folks have gotten way beyond it. Unfortunely blacks folks want to keep using it as an excuse to do nothing but collect the welfare checks. Get over it! But you need to google Progressive government. Then write back. Remember folks Thomas Jefferson said “democracy ceases to exist when you take from those willing to work and give it those who are not willing to work.”

Even though I think that black employees don’t work as hard as white employees most of the time, I think it is ridiculous to think that all blacks do is collect welfare checks.

As far as taking money from the working class and giving it those who don’t work, are you trying to say that you are against giving unemployment benefits to the 9 million people who are unemployed? How would you feel, if you lost your job, through no fault of your own?

Typical liberal mush. When did he say stop the unemployment. He didn’t. Always trying to put words in others mouths.

So let me get this right, Tim. You are a raving liberal demo, and you just said you think black people don’t work as hard as white people, but it’s the republicans that are racist…because you don’t think all blacks are on welfare…
ROFLMAO !
omg !
HAHAHAHA

SiliconDoc, ouch! You hit Tiny Tim where it hurts the most, right in the “truth”.

It should come as no surprise to anyone that Tim is racist. After all, he is a Liberal who has no problem with riding on unwilling shoulders, just as the Southern Slave Owners had no problem riding on the shoulders of their slaves.

Gloretha,
am speechless and all I can say is BULL!!! CRAP!!!

gloretha, you have got to be kidding!!

gloretha, I will tell you what is sad. It is sad that the blacks get BET television and black history month. the whites get the damned welfare bill and called racist. I want a White history month and I want a WET television program. That would equal the bullcrap field. Blacks tend to be racist. Whites tend to be tired of hearing the whining.

I totally disagree with Gloreatha. I totally AGREE with John N.
Please save our Country from the Congress and the Whitehouse that is
currently ruining it. We need smaller Washington D.C. and more State and Local as our Constitution wants it to be. Regards, A.C.E.Beatte

Tiny Tim, if Obama failed to convert this nation to a third world status through his marxist agenda and the Republicans were even partly responsible, would that be so bad?

That’s rich. So if you started to grab my wallet and I stopped you, I would be obstructionist?
The Republicans are trying to obey their Oath to uphold the Constitution which gives no power to the Federal Government over our healthcare. Of course we can’t expect the Democrats to obey anything. Their morality left the stage many decades ago. They will lie, cheat, steal, or whatever it takes to ride on the shoulders of others.

Tim,

I believe if you could think like an “independent” for a minute and not like a partisan Democrat, I’m pretty sure you’d come to the conclusion that this legislation has been rushed through Congress such that very few people really know what is in it. I’m sure the American people aren’t confident that they know what’s in these bills. In fact, we know that several Congressmen and the President on occasion, when asked what was in the bill, have failed to answer the question correctly, so it looks like they aren’t all that sure either. We know that legislation like this is quickly written by Congressional staffers with the help of representatives from the industries affected by the legislation. If we’re not careful and push legislation through the process before it is thoroughly vetted by everyone, we will most likely get bad legislation. Of course, that won’t keep politicians from boasting about passing the legislation. What do they care anyway? They’ve exempted themselves from this legislation. We really need to start over and craft a bill that a strong majority of Americans can sign-up to. If the Democrats find a way of getting this past Congress with a majority of Americans opposed to it and no bi-partisan support, the Democrats will likely pay a heavy price in coming elections, and the American people will suffer from a poorly crafted program for years to come.

Tim,
i have read and reread your posts many times here and I have a favor to ask of you. Since you believe in Obummers way so well, could you send me about say 20,000 in cash? that’s about all I need to pay off my house, build a new garage and buy some new welders to open my business!!!25,000 would be better but I’ll settle for the lesser of the two as it’s a bad time for the economy!!! Get the point I’m making????