Dale, were you that concerned when Reagan was spending so much? Just wondering.

From the Afghan point of view, when a US Predator flies over and fires missiles into their villages and kills a bunch of civilians, they might tend to view the US as terrorists. At least they have more evidence then we ever got as to who is shooting at them. We have no evidence as to who was responsible on 9-11 except what we were told. No Arabs boarding the flights or Arab names on flight manifests. Many accused are still alive or were dead before the event. Our government refuses to release Pentagon videos and other evidence. Why?

Joe A.
We sure didn’t confuse who be-headed that reporter did we? We sure didn’t mistake who be-headed that one soldier either did we?!?!?!?

When you live and know people amongst you are bad and you doing nothing about it or try to cleanse the village of them then basically you are part of them so getting hit by a bomb or a missle missile you deserve it!

Joe, you need to check your facts, the Shoe Bomber, caught right here in good Ole USA. I know the right doesn’t like to fact check as it causes them to not be able to make statements that are untrue, but sorry, you are not correct.

eyes,
You need to read a little better. He was talking about the ones that Bush tried!!!

I call it like it is. Instead of wasting money, time, energy on these worthless pieces of flesh—where is the nearest tree??? I know, I know, we are supposed to be civilized. For the life of me, I cannot have any compassion for these terrorists. I simply cannot have any compassion for anything or anyone that does harm to America and her people. Years ago, look what they did to cattle rustlers and the people that stole horses. Now they are put in prison, free medical care, good food to eat, exercise rooms, with all their needs taken care of. If they are put in prison, the prison should be like an outhouse, not like a hotel. The terrorists should receive exactly what they dish out. They should end up with a horrible existence until such time they are put to death.

Joeh, please, I know you are smarter than your last post. We waterboard our soldiers, so they aren’t caught off guard, if a country doesn’t adhere to the Geneva Convention and waterboards them. We also train them for all kinds of combat situations which doesn’t mean that agree with those techniques, but we want them aware of what could happen to them. We don’t however do it repeatedly and they do know that we won’t let them die. Little different that what we are doing to the prisioners. If it’s no big deal, how about you volunteering to go for 283 waterboardings in one month, then you can shoot your mouth off on wether it is torture or not.

Eyes,

We need old Jim Bob back.He had them all running for cover,including Daveh.

coalscabber,
NOBODY had me running for cover!!! especially you! That coal dust has hardened your brain cells, what few there were of them!!

coal miner – if you’re talking about “gentleman” jim – I don’t think anyone ran from him – they just found him grossly repulsive and terribly uncouth. No reason to validate anyone who is so foul in his demeanor no matter the side he is on.

Coal Miner,
Who’s running from who? We’re all still here and Jim Blab is still gone.

eyes,
For someone that claims to have served, you are very naieve!! Do you honestly believe these people think that we are going to kill them??? They are trained also!!! They are trained to work our justice system and just how far we can and will go. Don’t be a fool!!

libery,

I am talking about Jim Bob,not Gentlemen Jim.They are two different persons. I ran out of replies.

eyes,
That 800 billion are a drop in the bucket compared to the trillions that Obummer has BORROWED!!!!!

Jim; SORRY > I ment this post above for Phil.

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God help me, I am inclined to agree with you. The older I get, I guess I am getting meaner.

Sorry, somehow I ended up on the wrong reply????

Claire, I have done that before too. LOL.

Jana–When I found my reply, I thought “What the?” I read the posts above and wondered who in the heck I was agreeing with!! LOL

Claire,
Who were you posting to about what?

JoeH—I was agreeing with someone about using torture but somehow I ended up in the middle of nowhere.

Who cares if he served his country or not? Most of those on these posts haven’t served have they JeffH, DaveH,? Does that mean you can’t have rational thoughts and free speech if you haven’t served? You will have to get rid of Palin, and all those non-serving Congressmen. Bring back the draft, let’s have everybody have a stake in torture.

cr – you are awesome. Will you run for President? We need you.

Meteorlady,

Haven’t we have been humilated enough?We had that moron Bush.That is all we need, I got a brilliant idea,that every rightwing nutcase will endorse.Why don’t we elect CR747 and Sarah Palin for president and vice president.I can see it now.You got nutty Cr747 and the bimbo from Alaska,Sarah Cluts Palin.Dream team or a nightmare. Please respond

Coal miner, you have been eating too many sour grapes.

I think that is an excellant idea – how about it CR, you for pres and sarah for VP. Since you have and fly a 747 and live in Hawaii, you must have made your money somewhere and I seriously doubt it was from anything to do with politicians and/or attorneys. Just let us know when you start campaigning that it is you Cr747 as we don’t know your real name to cheer and support.

Jana,
No coalscabber SAYS he tried to join the Marines and they wouldn’t have him. Didn’t try the Army, Airforce, or Navy, but says he wanted to make a career of it!!!! Yet he demeans a vet of 22 years on here!!! What a load of pure crap!!!! Cares more about his union than he does that career in the Marines!!!

Sally,
Hate to disillusion you, but cr747 is a lawyer. One of the few good ones!!!

cr747, You are a good man and a Great American. Thank you for your service, then and still even now.

cr747—God love you!!!

cr747, you call him a draft dodger and then tell him it’s ok to admit that he didn’t serve? Hate to tell you, but all of those that didn’t serve weren’t draft dodgers. Some couldn’t serve due to physical limitations, some due to being the sole surviving son, some due to being a true Christian and couldn’t make themselves kill another. That’s what is so hypocritical about you right wingers, you all make assumptions about someone and then crucify them based on the assumptions you have made.The Geneva Convention was to insure that all soldiers were treated fairly and not tortured. The world recognized that human decency must be adhered too, by all. When you are a soldier you represent all of America, not just your little world, your politics and personal beliefs don’t mean snot, you obey your commander and honor the treatries that this country signed. So until the Congress repeals the Geneva Treaty (not getting the legal dept to write memo saying torture is ok) but until they revoke our participation in that treaty, then we should not torture anyone. As an ex-soldier you should be supporting our Constitution and the Treaties that we signed.

eyes,
Hate to call you on a mistake but sole survivor didn’t prevent from serving it prevented you from being MADE to serve! I was in Vietnam with a sole surviving son that had a brother killed in RVN.

eyeswideopen, did you read the whole post?? How well I know there are some that can’t serve. I said they still can serve by PRAYING for our soldiers. There’s no disgrace for the ones that can not serve. I know there are some that tried, but could not. BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THOSE THAT WHERE PHYSICALLY DISABLED, AND THOSE THAT WHERE DRAFT DODGERS.

We all can pray for our soldiers that are laying their life’s on the line to keep our country safe.. They need our prayers, they need our support. You have no idea what the soldiers are facing or going through. So please pray for them.. God Bless The Ones That Pray For Them.. MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eyeswideopen, and coal miner,, as I have said in other post,, you can call me anything,, any name you want,, it does not bother me at all. I am a big Boy,, I can deal with name calling.. So go ahead take your best shot.. But that does not keep me from praying for you,, and all of are people in THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!!!!

All you are doing is only showing your ignorance,, and your ability to show how much you disrespect our men and women in uniform fighting to protect you,, me,, and all others.. God Bless You, and God Bless America!!!!!!!!!!!!

cr747,
Right on brother!!! We need more true Americans like we had in WW2 that made sacrifices for the effort! I have sent many packages to our troops and sent many e-card prayers to them as well. God bless them all!!!

JoeH,, Claire,, Sally,, Meteorlady,, Jana,, Jim,, Ken,,::: Thanks you guys,,, and for all the rest that can go to bed in your bed tonight,, you have a comfortable place to rest.. When you lay your head down on that fluffy pillow,, please think of our soldiers,, Men and Women,, and pray for them,, thank God that you are safe because of them..
May GOD Bless All Of You,, and God Bless America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Eyes, The Geneva Convention is for UNIFORMED soldiers fighting for their SOVERN nation. Terrorists belong to no country, but an organization. They wage war on everybody, man woman and child, not another army on a battlefield. As far as suporting our Constitution it was writen way before the Geneva Convention so there is no mention of it in there.

cr747…
Thank you for your service. Your post was an eye opening experience to read. My father was a WW11 veteran. My brother in law was in Nam. My father in law was in Korea. My son was in Kosovo. My nephews were in Iraq (one just returned) and Afghanistan. I have several other cousins that served. I was a member of the Air National Guard. I think it should be a prerequisite to be president that you serve at least one tour of duty with a branch of the Armed Services. Thank you again. Your story is worth reading again and again.

I’ve seen all the videos with democrats screaming Saddam has WMD and we need to depose him before he launches the nukes he is certainly trying to make. From Clinton to Kerry to Pelosi, we have the internet and youtube has been very informative with c-span clips and names and dates and faces and rolling video with audio straight out of Congress – so THAT jig is up for the lying democrats, not to mention their fool Kerry’s I voted for it before it voted against it (sorry NO TAKEBACKS after the war has started john kerry you doofus!)
I’d also like to mention that Harry S Truman mr nuke them twice was a DEMOCRAT – and the war that libtards have never gotten over – Veitnam – was THEIR BABY, WITH DEMOCRATS STARTING AND RUNNING IT – FROM PRESIDENTS TO A DEMOCRAT CONGRESS !
Only when we had a REPUBLICAN president did it end.
Slick Willie (DEMOCRAT) had his BALKANS WAR, and his HAITI WAR with 20,000 marines, and his BLACKHAWK DOWN war.
How these idiot liberals claim republicans are the party of war – besides rewriting the last 100 years of history is beyond me.
THE US CONGRESS has been controlled by DEMOCRATS in the lead up and during the wars – during the start of them, that’s whom is irresponsible, not republicans.
Bush 41 pulled out of total war with Iraq, but slick willie KEPT THE BOMBING RUNS and the no-fly zone planes with a democratic run and republican run congress.
This recent crap about which party is the party of war rests upon a lot of lying, and a lot of liberal talking points (lies).
What we do see now, however, with this recent traitorous breed of far left lunatic democrats, is, it appears, a disturbing type of KINDRED with the enemy, and utter DENIAL concerning their existence, in between cries of “their ever increasing numeration” and recruitment.
In other words, we have MASSIVELY contradictory LIES coming from the democrats, all designed to support their rhetoric and fantasies, so they can continue their stupid, putrid, detrimental diatribes, that weaken the USA, confuse it’s citizenry, embolden the enemy, endanger the public, and take away our God given rights (like TSA one size fits all – no profiling stupidity).
It’s a shame the lunatic left has so much power that our government is mainstreaming INSANE POLICIES.

Silicon Doc, a lot of these socialists are cowards. A hero dies once, a coward dies a thousand times, by being so afraid.

Joe, You need a $150 hammer, you can’t drive a $20 dollar nail with anything less.

I’m sure there is a joke in here about taxpayers, paying for a 14 trillion $ screw somewhere.

Phil, If I see a terrorist about to detonate a suicide vest while he is standing next to me my last thought won’t be,thank heavens at least the guy that could have given information about this attack so authorities could have prevented this wasn’t water boarded. I can now die for those principles.

It was Phil until people like you with your PC agenda started teaching our kids in school and getting gov’t jobs and so on! Every war we been in our troops are tortured grow up. Special ops Delta force they are all trained to not spill the beans when tortured why do you think that is Phil Donuhe?

Phil, You are a complete idiot. I guess our troops were not tortured in Vietnam. They would cut their testicles off and stick them in their mouths. If you don’t believe that ask cr747, He saw some of it going on. Then ask him what he did.
Water boarding is minor to what they do to our soldiers.

DDC–you are absolutely correct. In Viet Nam, our troops were tortured. And this makes me positively sick. I have no use for the enemy. We must do whatever we have to do to protect our soldiers and military. I repeat, an eye for an eye.

DDC,
I can tell you it’s true. Ask some vets what razor blades were used for in brothels. ask about steel rods being used to break almost every bone in their bodies. Ask about cong tying up a village head to a tree and watch as they cut his unborn daughter out of his wifes abdomen! His crime? they found some candy wrappers in his hut that the GIs had handed out on their way through the ville. Ask what the cong did to prisoners with wooden rods that had been sliced all over so that pieces stuck out all over them. bastards were real inventive!!!!

Doug,
The ones who do the water boarding had to undergo this very technique themselves. Plus these people who say “They would say anything while being tortured”. Do not know what they are talking about. The people asking the questions know a lot about what they are asking and can very quickly verify what they are answering. We do have experts at questioning these terrorists.

It is people like Phil that wants to turn our country into a third world country.

Oh dear GAWD how ignorant and misguided can thinking be ?
We don’t care how many HUNDREDS of times the interrogated and tortured terrorist “tells us what we want to hear” or “says anything”.
What we ARE INTERESTED IN, is the secret information the terrorists have THAT WE DO NOT !
So when a tortured, beaten, half drowned religious fanatic ( you know the kind of person you HATE if they’re a Christian) spews forth NEW INFORMATION that our intelligence agencies do not have, torture has then WORKED.
Watch a few movies once in a while about cracking the liberal dope addict or demo criminal. Heck, just turn toward your significant other and watch her(or his in case you’re gay) over and over “torture” you with those repeated statements – and eventually even you, the crazed lefty, breaks down, gives in, and yields up the result. Of course you tried lying, covering up, misdirecting, fibbing, making up stories, and on and on, but then you caved in, and your paramour got not only what they wanted, but the answer that you had covered up for so long.
Works the same with terrorists, so quit being such a foolish moron and face even the realities of your own personal life.

Hi Ken, Why would I be angry?

That’s an easy question to answer…. The past administration( Bush) nearly destroyed our economy spending trillions on a war in Iraq that wasn’t nessessary… Part of his reasoning ( part) was that Saddam tortured people without trial…at least President Obama is spending money on our country that will benifit Americans while Bush and republicans ignored Americas infrastructure… Our infrastructure has to be upgraded… If you’re going to try and argue that the state of this country is do to any of president Obamas policys the conversation is over… And I’ve seen not 1 change in the republicans policys that would change the course the republicans put this country on .. Nothing.. Maybe you can enlighten me on any republican policy change ?..anti tax and deregulation that put this country in economic disaster is all you have in the way of policy.. Of course you know the Bush tax cuts are still in effect till 2011… My point on America becoming 3rd world country true if we continue to neglect our infrastructure…republicans care so little about America that they actually had someone like Sarah Palin as a Vice presidential candidate…but the bottomline is simple… Republicans ignored out country and here we are now…. Think about this… President Obama would NEVER had been elected had REPUBLICANS not run this country so horribly…who do you blame?.. Blame yourselfs..

So the republicans Ignored The infrustructure and started wars because their goal is to turn the U.S. into a thiird world nation. Please point out where the infrustructure was ignored on a federal level(A portion of roads and bridges are state responsibility).When the jihadists declared war on us and attacked on 9-11-01 we shouldn’t shoot back? The Dems held congress in 07,08 and 09. I contribute alot that is wrong to them. Senator Obama contributed to that. The coversation isn’t over because I didn’t say Pres. O, You don’t have to slam your mind shut and go home. You still haven’t ppointed out how the Rep.’s are MALICIOSLY trying to turn the U.S. into a 3rd world nation.

Jim… Infrastructure is paid for by tax dollars… Real basic Jim….

Phil,
i guess the fact that the debt ceiling being raised won’t have a thing to do with the downturn of this country? I guess sending 30 thousand MORE troops to the middle east won’t cost anything. now I guess the conversation is over so I won’t see you again, right?

Joe, We can hope.

Fed, State, and local gov.s collect taxes and each has a resonsibily to support certain projects .Real basic. Now how does that make it that the Republicans are MALICIOUSLY trying to turn the U.S. into a third world nation?

Human tortue? This ideology of a few misguided, unattached, activists of civility, have never been in the “Boots” of a soldier in the distress of heavy combat, while loosing close friends or even being wounded themselves ! For these ‘anti-torture’ activists to even voice an opinion is blasphemous ! Just whoes freedom, to even speak out in this vulgar manner, do they think is being protected and prolonged possibly as a result of some information gleaned by this pocess, so they might air their freedom of speach. Freedom is unknown to far to many and no longer cherished or appreciated! A time when “all” Americans despised torture ? I’ve been around many years and fought in the wars of my country, but I can not recall a time when torture was totally despised by all ! If one would bother to pick up a “real” history book and endeavor to comprehand even the smallest threats of torture and its majority of end results, they would be silent! To the exorbitant threat and preparation for torture, it seems to have been enough to gain any or some useful information. The average citizen has no idea of what true torture consists of, today or yesteryear. If you think you do, you are watching way to much TV and over looking the history of America and the world, contained in “true”, recorded ‘History Books”! Not these “re-released’ books of history that are being rewritten to perplex and perpetrate the truth the “progressive left” wish to propagate ! I find that the majority of people influenced by this radical progressive thinking are unwilling to even listen to the truth, let alone acknowledge it. For these people, I feel sorry and pray for.
(PS)I can not recall or state one thing Obama has accomphished during his first 13 1/2 months in office, except, blame some one else for all his failures !

Ken,
Agreed on all points. the thing that really torques me is we finally get a judge with a pair and they want to impeach him. what a joke!! The dems need to grow some and be willing to stand up for their country like they stand up for these terrorists!!!

Phill Right you keep on believing Obama. Just wait until all the Muslims get to America, and watch Obama do a 360. He is a bigger Muslim than Osama Bin Laden.

Here Phil – this is email I received, I did check some of it and it’s pretty much on the mark:

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress. The one and only party that has controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party. They controlled the budget process for FY 2008 and FY 2009, as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011.

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, who made them compromise on spending when he somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

For FY 2009, though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time,they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the FY 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama all this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and then he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete FY 2009.

Let’s remember what the deficits looked like during that period:

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats inCongress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets. If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

In a nutshell,what Obama is saying is “I inherited a deficit that I voted for.
Then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20, 2009.”

So…what exactly did Obama “inherit”? And from whom?

Phil, You ever been in the service? Have you ever had to pack 60-100 lbs. on your back over rough terrain? Have you ever had to kill a human being?? Have you ever been shot at, and try to see one more day? I am a Navy Seal. If you could see what training we are going through as a refresher course, I doubt you would make it..
I am going back to Afghanistan in June. Obama said HE WAS GOING TO END THIS WAR. But he is sending 30,000 over there. My 2nd time there, 3 in Iraq. OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. WE ARE GOING TO BE KILLING MUSLIMS. Do you see something wrong with this picture?

Why is it alright for enemies to torture the US, but you think it is wrong for the US to torture them? Do you see anything wrong with this picture? I do Obama does not want us to torture HIS BROTHERS, THE MUSLIM

You are a mis informed liberal progressive that still buys into the CHANGE that never happened. Please elaborate on all the infrastruture that is being done and please use varifiable internet information. I can’t take a liberals emotional out bursts as fact.

It’s very clear that WHEREVER the democrat’s policies have been fully implemented we have a third world inner city filled with crime and destruction.
Alternately, with republican policies we have nice communities that have responsible law abiding citizens that contribute to the nation and to themselves and their families and friends, enhancing the quality of life.
Now the liberals are upset, since their corruption of power has allowed them to WASTE decades of infrastructure monies on their pet projects that reduce output and production and responsibility, and even now we see them in bed with the deepest pockets in the nation and around the world.
The veil of the democrat’s doctrine has been lifted, and we see the actual results are terrible, and destructive. Their implementations have been filled with corruption and payola, and now nearly no one can trust government bodies – and even when one can, the results are in a downward spiral of debt and unmet obligations.
They promised us social security, but since 1982 have RAIDED the surplus taxes collected from trust fund, every single penny of it, to the tune of 4 trillion dollars (many trillions more if it has been properly invested since 1982).
Now in the downturn, social security needs money to pay it’s daily obligations, as the FICA tax from wages is not sufficient with high unemployment. Well, there IS NO MONEY in the trust fund, it was STOLEN by the very government the left tells us must run a giant health care fund.
Since the left has shown, even as they have controlled Congress for 40 years, they cannot honestly and honorably be trusted with the people’s money, I much prefer Bush’ plainly stated solution:
Let the people control their own money, every dollar that government collects is a dollar they will spend. We have been hearing how the government workers pension funds have been raided as well- although they haven’t drained that bone dry, it’s up on the theft block.
So what we have is clear evidence that the government is too corrupt to be trusted, has wasted our tax dollars, and has not invested properly in infrastructure (take Katrina levies as an example – plenty of money for decades, but the LIBERALS had to have it go for swamps and environmental projects, so the city drowned).
Now, for a lefty loon to blame the potus when 40 years of democratically controlled congress and DEMOCRAT LEFTIST departments of the government have BLOWN IT, is plainly dishonest and ridiculous.
When Bush vetoed the expensive highway bill, the Congress overrode him, and delivered what they wanted, anyway.
Liberals, leftists, people like this person “Phil” never even have a clue on the basic workings of our government, so it’s no wonder they promote it, more and more, so long as they can babble that their also lunatic counterpart has the pursestrings (and will steal, waste, and fraudulently administer it’s contents, to the detriment of the USA).

John Monroe, In fact the terrorists are taught to cry out “I have been tortured” They actually teach them to say this to get the poor misguided liberals to feel sorry for them. What these libs forget is that these “terrorists” are the ultimate torture machines. They have been taught from birth to hate the United States, and they are teaching their own children how to become suicide bombers and murderers. Of course that doesn’t matter to the bleeding heart liberals.

Meteorlady, if it is so harmless, why haven’t any of you been volunterring to be waterboarded yourselves? A Conservative DJ did that very thing, trying to prove that it was no big deal, except he freaked, even though he knew he wouldn’t be hurt. If it is such a little thing, why do we try and let our own soldiers know how it would feel if they should be waterboarded? Are you saying we are preparing them for something so insignificant, that our generals just want waste time and money on that training exercise? Silly. It is torture and has been used for generations, you can try to down play it, but facts are facts, it is torture. You should be ashamed that this country sunk to a new low in our history and used torture. Would you like your son or daughter to be waterboarded 283 times? Or would one or two be ok?

eyes,
No I wouldn’t like my kid to be waterboarded, but I would prefere that a thousand times over to being be-headed!!!!!

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I have done told all of you what went on in Vietnam.. Water boarding is nothing compared to what they did to our service men over there.. It was horrible..

Ewo,
I don’t see any big deal about waterboarding. My first experience with it was when I was 12. There’s no real danger you know. I’ve heard of people getting knocked out but that’s because they weren’t hanging on.
They say that being a good swimmer is helpful to pull it off without getting hurt. I myself have at times been in the middle of 9′s to 12′s, no problem. The only thing that scares me is the threat of sharks.

Eyes…
My children would not be Muslim terrorists. Do you think they use this interrogation technique on just anyone? No… This is saved for the worst of the worse! Those who have killed and will kill more Americans. I’ll bet Nick Berg’s family would have rather had him water boarded on TV instead of beheaded on TV. Oh…and what was his crime? As far as I know he wasn’t guilty of anything to deserve having his head cut off. War is not pretty, nor is it exciting. War is hell is not just a little made up phrase. It is HELL. Muslims want to rule the world. They are not content where they are. Hopefully you and I will never experience any thing that resembles war here in the United States. This is why we go to other countries to try and contain the ‘bad guys’ so that the fighting is not done on American soil.

Brain shut down!!!!!