DaveH–the discussion of welfare brought this to my mind–look what the government did to the Native American women that lived on reservations back in the fifties and sixties. Some of these women were told that they were being “fitted” with birth control devices, BUT they were “sterilized” instead. Of course, this was done to prevent reproduction of the Native American people, to keep the population down. The agents also took children from their mothers so that they could be raised the American way. When I think of American women that keep having babies to get the extra money in their welfare checks, I always remember what they did to the Native American women.

I’m not aware of that Claire, but it wouldn’t surprise me. I saw a lady on a news program once that had been separated from her 2 siblings at childhood by government. Judging from the approximate age of the woman, it would have occured about 50-60 years ago. The authorities claimed that the mother was not able to properly provide for her kids. Their solution was to split them up amongst 3 institutions. The woman being interviewed said that she was locked up in a closet several times (as a child) by people at her orphanage because she wouldn’t quit crying. It certainly is comforting that the Government knows what is best for people.

That last sentence was sarcasm.

DaveH–Sarcasm welcomed, you are correct.

That may never be, Jeff, if we don’t start pushing hard to get Government out of our lives and our businesses.

Also, I would like to add that almost all of the people I have known on Unemployment have milked it out to the very end, making very little effort to actually seek employment.

DaveH,
sorry guy, but I take insult in the statement you made about those on unemployment. I have been on it a few times and collected the whole amount one time only, during the recession of the 80s. I lived in Michigan at the time and everything in the state was connected in some way to the auto manufacturing. the other times I was on it I found a job within one to two months by 12 hour days of hunting! I have never liked standing in line to get my pay and never will. I have been an honest worker all my life giving more than I got and at times people didn’t like the fact that I worked hard and made them look bad, but I know no other way of working than hard!

And now look at all the people that are out of a job. And they have children. How do they make ends meet? How will they survive? I know several people from church that have lost their jobs and they are out every day pounding the pavement trying to find a job! They go to work at McDonalds, Hardees and some of them have 3 jobs! I feel for the honest people that are trying to do something about their plight. The others that have milked the system for years and continue to do so (and get by with it) are an abomination.

If we could get rid of the Income Tax System which provides a disincentive to work, get the Government out of the Marketplace, and cut the Government to about a third of its current size, this country would boom. Imagine all those negatively productive workers being put back to productive work in the private sector.

Whether it is Corporate Welfare or Personal Welfare, it is not the Government’s money to give. We need to take our country back, and it isn’t going to be Republicans that get the job done.
Vote Libertarian.

How about all those government employees that are paid with our tax money? Could that be considered welfare?

While it is true that we work until almost july to pay our taxes. The 2 biggest taxes are SS, a forced retirement plan and property taxes which largly go to educate our kids, a forced tuition payment.

Idoubt….
SS is a safety net for older folks who find themselves destitute for various reasons, I’m OK with that, I’m on it. On the other hand, Taxes to support schools that don’t teach, other than socialist indoctrination? Why should people who don’t have children anymore be required to pay for other children’s education? I have to pay property taxes every year, and am 65 and on SS. My wife works an hourly job. I say let all parents pay tuition to send kids to their choice of schools, possibly subsidizing those who genuinely can’t afford it (means test)

I sent my kids to Lutheran schools and have never regretted it. I had to, there was “unrest” at the time and it scared me. I had no choice. So, as a Lutheran, I sent them to the Lutheran schools. It cost me and money was tight but a person does what they have to do. After the “unrest” went away, I decided to keep my kids in these schools until they graduated from high school. At least they were safe, they didn’t get stabbed, beat-up, etc.

South Carolina needs some new politicians. Dump Sanford, Bauer, DeMint, and Graham for starters.

Why is that Norm for telling you what you don’t want to hear? Barry Soto is a lier?
Or is it for telling people that Well Fair can’t be a full time job for generation after generation?

Do you know why the progressives are using them, or what their fate will be?

Any ideas Norm?

Time
Demint and Graham are obstructionists. Demint has one goal in mind; the destruction of PRESIDENT Obama. If the country goes to hell in the process, so be it. Graham is a little more reasonable, but he is very very concerned with his own future. Sanford is a womanizer and a fool. Bauer is obviously a very crude individual.

Norm,

Thank GOD for “obstructionist” by which I assume you mean anyone who opposes islamobama’s marxist policies. If it weren’t for “obstructionist” we would have medical “reform” that no-body but the braindead liberals want, that would bankrupt the country, and would reduce the best health care system in the world to the level of a 3rd world country (which, of course, is what islamobama and his band of thugs want).

If it weren’t for “obstructionist” we would be saddled with cap and tax which would essentially destroy the US economy, eliminate several million jobs, and sink the U.S. farther into the depression this idiot president and his co-conspirators in congress have gotten us into.

And if it weren’t for “obstructionist”, the whole idea of “global warming” and the bogus science which was used to “prove” it was caused by man would still be in the forefront of liberal, power hungry, big government, socialist arguments to enslave the world with false “the sky is falling!” propaganda.

I’m not sure about Demint but, in truth, graham is a RINO and is little better than the slimeball fascist who have taken over the democratic party.

Bauer may be crude but if you can focus on his message he has made some excellent points. Of course, the liberals do not want to see the welfare state end because the economic slaves they have created are some of their strongest support. As usual, liberals don’t like anyone that has a viewpoint different from the socialist party line, and they especially do not like anyone who is intellectually superior, which Bauer obviously is.

And, yes, Sanford could be called a womanizer, like a former president I can think of.

While we are on politicians that the state should get rid of, what about the 3 witches of the West (boxer, pelosi galore, and roughstein) from the not-so-golden state?

Too Tall
I guess I just don’t understand “fundamentalist christianity”. Unlike you, there is no way in hell or heaven that I would tithe a dime to any preacher(talk about welfare)so he can push, often unwelcome, religious propaganda down other peoples throats.
My point with the Lt. Gov. is how can anyone who suscribes to goodness and christian charity even think in such vulgar terms.
Also, unlike you. I understand the necessity for paying taxes. I don’t like seeing the money wasted on perpetuating welfare, fighting unnecessary wars, helping other countries when we are in need, etc.

“push, often unwelcome, religious propaganda down other peoples throats”.

You mean like Jesse Jackson does?

Yes, e pluribus unum.

Norm, forgive me for not responding in a more timely manner. Your response troubles me as I did not say that taxes are unnecessary, only that they are taken by confiscation. Nevertheless, I do not feel that a public forum is the best place to discuss many issues. In particular, if you are interested in discussing “fundamentalist Christianity,” whatever that may mean to you, drop me a line at 3n14u2@gmail.com.

Nobody said they were NEW Cadillacs and BMWs Bill . . . back in the day used nice luxury cars were very cheap . . . in fact 7 year old Bimmers still are today.
Pres Johnston’s “Great Society” has been a huge success, since the 60′s “Social Services” has become a huge industry, absorbing almost a Trillion Dollars each year . . . and way too many folks have no concept of workin for a livin . . .

I guess Rahm Emanuel only believes in the first part about giving out fish. I guess he’s a good representation for what the Obama administration stands for and thinks.

Problem is the governments would spend $100 Billion to save $100 Million. Just look at the so called Stimulus Bill. It is costing as much as $850,000.00 to create/save(sic) one job for 1 year or less. That’s more than a lot of people earn legitimately in their lifetime.

Sorry Sally,
They belong to the Slave class and they are just going to have to accept their lot in life.

$800 per person, I really doubt that.
Aren’t people on WF who have another child while on WF denied benefits on that additional child? Thought that was one of the changes made over a decade ago.
Most people seam to lose sight of the fact the WF system is to provide aid for the children.
It never always amazes me that the same people that believe its their moral duty so see that these children are born but don’t spend a nicle to try to see that they have some sort a humane childhood. When judgement day come I wonder who GOD judges more harshly – those that tolerated abortion or those that withheld aid to them after they are born.
I admit having people fixed who spend more then say 5years on WF “fixed” is an intriguing idea, but I doubt even the current Supreme Court would stand for that.

My friend, thats straight from a EBT card member that I got that info from, so you can think what you will, it will not change whats going on.

We also have seen other abuses such as selling of EBT cards for cash. There are many who hang out near Wallmart asking if you want to buy an EBT card for cash, they will take .50 cents on the dollar.
{Thus I don’t say something unless I know it to be true.}

Indoubt is right. How would Jesus look at the richest country in the history of the world not feeding it’s kids in poverty,through no fault of their own??

I’m a 63 year old woman on SS retirement benefits of $698, and my Food Stamps were just cut to $78 because I bring in an average of $200 per month from online sales and odd jobs. (Although lately that amount has fallen). I am honest when I fill out forms, hence the $200 disclosure. However, I have heard from several sources that food benefits are being cut all over, even people with kids.

denniso, you got that right!! If all of these whiny conservatives would fork out some food for the poor on a regular basis, we wouldn’t have to have the government doing it. There is plenty for everybody. (And that goes for money too!)

Here is a quote from Penn Jillette:

“It’s amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people yourself is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness. People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered. If we’re compassionate, we’ll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint.”

And using your logic with abortion. What do you think about the Spartan system whereby babies not making the grade were left to die? You have basically said in your argument, whether you meant to or not, if we can’t give children a certain quality of life let’s give them none at all. That sounds a bit arrogant and elitist.

There is absolutely no reason that Welfare recipients shouldn’t be required to do something for their money unless they are truly handicapped. If nothing else they could provide day care for other recipients so the others could go to school or work a job.

Terrific point! Now that would be change I can believe in.

I believe Gerald Ford came up with that idea while he was president. He called it “Work for welfare.” It was not very well received. In fact, just like most things that the left don’t like, they called it racist.

DaveH – they tried that in Milwaukee about 20-25 years ago – The Civil Liberties Union came in and had it stopped because it was “unconstitutional” or something to that effect. It was a joke.

One more thing. One person actually said that if she wanted to work for her welfare she’d get a job. She added, “I have earned my welfare.”

Back in 1981 I was on local welfare and had to work at the welfare office several hours a week to pay back.

TIME I agree with you 1000%. It is time to let these ” LAZY ” American population that are wasting our money. The working-peoples” money. If we could mobilize, and come together and share our views and find a solution to end this ” WELFARE SYSTEM “, I would be glad to do that. I know there are millions of Americans who share our concerns and views who has been voicing our concerns, yet the government has been ” CLOSE-MINDED ” and ” DEAF ” not to hear our voices. TIME, find a way that we could organize ourselves to find a way to solve one of America’s ” BAD ” investment. I don’t want to reveal my email address, but if there is a way you could reveal yours privately with some of those who share our beliefs, then we do it. I have been writing our Senators and Congressmen even the president, but I don’t hear from them on this issue. Anyway, thanks for all your concerns and your positive ideas and your experience on this “WELFARE” thing.
Thank you.

You ought to see how those welfare people treat the nurses when they come in to the ER/hosp. They rude hateful,stupid and demanding,call people names. And nasty!! Just flat out nasty with their bodily functions. I`ve had it .Will not deal with them “kind” anymore. Getting out of Pt. care. RETIRED RN

Andre Bauer? What is he,a French Republican??? As for stray dogs or welfare recipients reproducing when we provide ample food,I just hope this guy doesn’t have ‘ample’ food.

What’s the matter Bauer, are you afraid a few needy people will take a few dollars out of your pocket? Please stand up, get off your heart and start trying to help people instead of putting them down.

denniso and Dee D :

You both have similar mentality and shallow minded ideas. Are you related? If you are two of the millions of ‘ WELFARE ” people, it’s time to start looking for jobs, because, the government under a new President will abolish ” WELFARE ” that bankrupts the government and ” AMERICA “. IF you are “REAL” Americans, you should not tolerate ” LAZY” NO GOOD PEOPLE ” to remain ” USELESS “, encourage them to be productive and useful citizens, that someday, with hard work and positive good ambitions, they might become President like ” OBAMA “. We can not remain ” LAZY” all our lives. We have to help build America not bankrupt it. ” WAKE UP “.

dump…you are fundamentally wrong in assuming that all people using unemployment,food stamps or free food are lazy and non workers,especially during a severe recession. Millions of people work,lose a job or get sick and then rely on support until they can get back on their feet. Many people are disabled and can’t work. You sound like a bitter and stingy person w/ no goodness in your ‘heart’.

Me,I’ve never taken an ounce of gov’t help my entire life because I’ve been able to work,even w/ a bad back and arthritus. But I don’t begrudge those who need help. True, there are always people who cheat the system,but the same is true at the corporate welfare level where it’s billions of tax $ being sucked up by the wealthiest among us. Complain about that.

He’s probably from an old SC family. Believe me, I know them. They live all around me. They have that old “southern charm” that comes from lineage and maintain their prejudices inherited from their ancestors. They stay in their big houses in or near Columbia and never come out to see what’s going on in this state. Just like our dear philandering governor. He spent more time in Argentina than visiting the poor towns in his state! SHEHEEN FOR GOVERNOR!!

No – He’s just another elite South Carolinian whose family probably lost their plantation in “The War”.

But Sally,
That would be demeaning to them to force them to do janitorial work for their money.

Try again. Welfare has been around a lot longer than the sixties. My own family had to go on welfare a couple of times in the fifties but only for a few months each time. These days people go on welfare and decide, “Hey, this is pretty good. Who needs to work for a living when I can get everything for free from the government?” Most people on welfare are nothing but leeches and parasites who are too lazy to work and decide they are going to live off of the rest of us. Back, I believe it was in the seventies, Republicans tried to pass legislation stopping increased benefits each time a welfare recipients had a child. It was clear that that was the reason they were having additional children, Guess what? They were called racists for it by the left. Also, I believe it was President Reagan, who tried to get legislation passed requiring single mothers to name the father of their children before they got welfare benefits and requiring those fathers to pay child support. Again, screams of racism from the left. The government puts people on welfare, not out of compassion, but as a mean of controlling them. You want proof? Look at the stimulus packages that were recently passed. They were nothing but corporate welfare. What happened? Companies were given million and billions in bailout money. Herr Obama then took over those companies that got stimulus (or I should say welfare) from the government and took control of them. Compassion? Hell no! It’s about power!!!

Harold,
I’m would hesitate to call the welfare recipients names. They aren’t stealing our money. The Government is responsible for that. Let’s put the blame where the blame belongs. The recipients are just taking what is given to them. A cousing of mine went to a welfare office to ask about some temporary assistance and they actually coached her on what to do to become a full time recipient. She declined.

Harold Olsen–I am not complaining but when I was a kid, we were so poor. My Mother canned, made our clothes, etc. She even made our underwear out of flour sacks. And yes, there was welfare back then. This was in the late ’40s. My Mother received what they called “ADC” for me and my two sisters. It was called Aid for Dependent Children. Everyone around knew we were on ADC. The kids made fun of me and my two sisters something terrible. I lived through that, and I never forgot it. But I did have a wonderful Mother. She taught us right from wrong, never to cheat, lie, or steal and to keep our clothes clean as well as our bodies and minds. We went to church and Sunday School. If we said a cuss word, we got our mouths washed out with soap. She did her best for me and my sisters. My Mother worked hard her whole life. And when she died, I cried my heart out because I felt she deserved a better life, but then again (it may sound crazy) we had a good simple life in spite of it all. Very poor, but we had pride and stamina. My Mother was a good teacher. As I was growing up, I made my mind up early on that I would never ever be on welfare. I just cannot imagine anyone milking the welfare system. I have too much pride. I would find a job if it killed me.

And let me add this–I know in some cases it cannot be helped and people do have to rely on welfare and I acknowledge this fact. I just do not approve of the ones that partake of welfare under false pretenses.

Claire…people rail against the individuals who cheat at welfare,but how often do we hear rightwingers ranting about the millionaires who get farm subdidies(corporate welfare) or the many other examples of corporate welfare that totals in the billions of $$ of tax money.

denniso, you are so right. They are so busy bashing Dems and libs that they have nothing to say about factory farms and the demise of the small farmer. They have no problem buying those tainted eggs and milk that line billionaires’ pockets. Put the anger where it belongs!

I was on welfare as a child since my dad was in prison and my mother could not find work. I didn’t like it, but we survived. My mother worked for her welfare check and as soon as we were old enough to work, we worked for our welfare check. I think that’s the way it should be. You don’t have to cancel the Welfare system, just give those that need work some pride. We all like to work for what we get, believe it or not.

Why do you insist on lying? Your 40% of Americans who don’t work is ridiculous and flat wrong.