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Is The Tea Party Movement Being Weakened By Internal Strife?

February 1, 2010 by  

Is the Tea Party movement being weakened by internal strife? As Tea Party activists prepare to hold their first convention in Nashville, Tenn., in early February, concerns have emerged about the cohesion of the movement that rose to prominence on its outrage directed at Washington and Wall Street elites.

Some commentators suggested that the lavish nature of the event—which is set at the Gaylord Opryland Hotel and Convention Center and rumored to include steak and lobster dinner with Sarah Palin as the keynote speaker—is at odds with the basic principles of the movement.

"I’m hoping for the best, but I’m prepared for the worst—that it descends into infighting and that the passionate activists who attend end up leaving disenchanted," Red State blogger Erick Erickson told Politico.com.

Others noted potential problems that may stem from trying to hold together a fractious coalition of groups distrustful of authority and pursuing conflicting agendas. For example, the goal of the convention is to develop a mainstream organization, even though the movement was built around grassroots actions and appeals to an audience that is suspicious of top-down management, according to a blog on the website of the Los Angeles Times.

"The idea that there’s one person, one event, that can somehow be the Tea Party spokesperson is inaccurate and counter to the movement of free-thinking individuals that want less government intervention," says John O’Hara, author of A New American Tea Party, quoted by The Christian Science Monitor .
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  • Raggs

    I wonder how many Acorn’s and SEIU traitors to the country have infiltrated the party? The Dem’s will do anything possible to break the back of the party. pelosi, reid are sure to be invovled in a scam.

    • David Hall

      Raggs, here’s the problem with that, maybe they can break a back or
      two, but they can’t break the WILL of the American People. Plus, the
      REDNECKS ain’t showed up yet. You know the ole boys that would rather
      fight than talk. Once, they show up, anybody that interrupts and it
      will be on LIKE A POT OF NECKBONES!

    • greyhawk

      o You are so right Raggs. The career politicians, MSM and Hollywood have mastered the Divide And Conquer strategies. We need to guard against being misled by Infiltrators and others. If you have folks in your movement who are always stirring up strife, bring them back to the basics of the movement. Do not let anybody inside or outside the movement divide you. Remember, the leftists have an unlimited supply of your tax dollars to fund their movement through groups such as ACORN, SEIU and others, and they will infiltrate your movements. They are not hard to spot. When you get new members who seem overly zealous and want to tell you how to do it, keep an eye on them, and do not trust them with anything important, and by all means, CYA at all times.

  • http://republic-mainstreet.blogspot.com/ MainStreet

    The whole success of the Tea Party movement depends on the grass roots action. We distrust centralized government. Why would we want centralized control of the Tea Party movement? These organizers are just another group seeking power over the people.

  • Priscilla Perez

    We are TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY, (TEA) and that is why we need to fight any politician no matter what party they belong to, who continue to spend, spend, spend our money. We desperately need term limits in DC so that these politicians do not become entrenched. If any politician says that they are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, they are engaging in double speak. You cannot support social liberal programs without spending tax dollars on those programs. That is what the TEA Party movement is about getting back to our Constitution and not this evolution that has led to bigger government.

    • Bonnie

      Well Said, Priscilla!!!

    • DaveH

      Priscilla,
      I disagree. Socially Liberal does not mean a person supports more laws. Passing laws to gain Freedom is an Oxymoron since the Government is almost always the main source of deprivation of freedom.
      A person can indeed be Socially Liberal and Fiscally Conservative. The Libertarian Party is the embodiment of that. The Government has no business protecting people from themselves in a Free society. Thus, there should be no such thing as a victimless crime.
      If the Right-Wingers (who have co-opted the term Conservative) will not respect the Freedom of others, how can they ever expect that the rest of Society will respect their desired freedoms?

      • AnhydrousBob

        And another thing, DaveH. I don’t get why people are so hung up on term limits. I wonder if the Statists are actually behind the idea.

        What do people think they will get with Term Limits? We’ll spend a lot of energy to pass a law so people will feel relieved that they have done something to get the bad guys out and can go back to whatever we were doing as a nation while we got into this problem… THAT is the problem now … we’ve let this happen while we concentrated on other things besides governing ourselves.

        Each election is the time to vote someone out – why should someone rotten get two terms at all? Why should a great representative not serve 3 or 4 terms? The founding fathers certainly knew of the concept of term limits, but they apparently found the idea ridiculous.

        IF we are not constantly paying attention we wont know if someone is good or bad. “We have a republic, if you can keep it”

      • DaveH

        I agree Bob. The ironic thing is that most who advocate Term Limits would agree that Free Markets work because they give people incentives to perform well. Yet, they turn around and want to take the incentive to perform well away from the Politicians.

      • Joe H.

        DaveH,
        It also doesn’t ake into mind the problem of getting the law passed. what else will they tack onto the bill along with term limits? How about only two PARTIES? How about income based voter eligibility?

      • Claire

        DaveH–I agree, you are telling it like it is. Thank you for your post.

  • Charles Schiller

    How can the R-party lay claim to the Tea Party movement? This is a movement of the people by the people for the people. If this is just another R thing then why bother? I am a conservative to the core. I suggest both the R’s and the D’s stay out of the way and let the people select the representative we want to send to the primaries.

    We can better organize from our local areas and select the people to serve us as our elected conservative leaders.

    • Janew

      Brovo!

  • Robert

    I do not think that the Tea Party movement is only a result of “RINO’s” in the Republican party. People. ordinary citizens from all walks of life and political leanings are joining in this movement for different reasons, however one basic principle is common amoung everyone – We do not like the way government is being run. We do not have the country we all knew and the youger generation are starting to realize that they are getting fewer choices about what life they want to pursue and their future isn’t all that bright at this point. Gov’t is getting to invovled in peoples lives.
    If we have to ask permission – it isn’t a right.

    • Janew

      That’s exactly right. All political views are a part of this movement. Who says we can’t take over the Democrat and Republician parties. I remember when Democrats were conservative. Politics has changed over the years. And from what I see, we just want our representivies to listen to us and know that the Consitution is law in this country! Vote them all out and start over, that goes for both parties. They the current dems and rep, have been pinning us against each other, now that we are awake, that should be over!

    • JOYCE

      I agree Robert, it it THE PEOPLE — ”WE THE PEOPLE” — Now our eyes are open to what in the world has happened to the United States. We are awake — let us bring America back!

  • Bob Shea

    Victor, You are either misinformed or ignorant of history. Catholics were here in America long before even the Revolutionary War or when the British Colonies even became independent and formed the United States. You lack a great deal of knowledge on history, religion or even the thought process. You should keep your “thoughts” to yourself and then you won’t show how begoted and uninformed you are.

    Bob

  • andy

    Who the hell are these people? I attended the 9/12 march on DC and several local events and have never heard of any of the speakers slated for this event except Sarah Palin.
    Furthermore, I subscribe to many tea party groups and have never heard about a convention until reading this.
    This sounds like the kind of politics we have all been working against for the past year.

  • http://msn v moore

    i was under the impression she was for the tea party. now that’s she’s taking money there goes her crediability. we should tell people we may have to pay for a motel room and a couple of meals but no MORE FEES. your either with us or out the door you go. we can get plenty of important people to speak without paying them. there is to many fed up people in this country.

  • http://google Michael Hartfield

    The power of the Tea Party is not to offer candidates, but to endorse candidates. If the Tea Party runs its own candidates, the Democrats will win elections for decades. There must be a mechanism created where Tea Party members can cast a vote that tells whether they like a candidate who calls him/herself as a conservative. If a candidate wins the endorsement, then Tea Party members will support with manpower and money.

    The goal is to elect constitutional, brave, smart candidates who will represent the vision of the Founding Fathers.

    • Bob Shea

      Michael, I agree with you totally. This is a grass roots organization that is local. All of a sudden we see organizations that have “taken over” the term Tea Party and ruin what has been a great happening in American politics. There are now many who are laying claim to the title and asking for money. These may even be Democrats. There should be no 3rd Party. The Democrats will win for sure. That is a proven fact in history. That is a proven fact for both parties. Let us stay local and work just the way it was so successful last year in its beginning. If we don’t, we will lose all our freedoms in the next election if Democrats win.

      • DaveH

        What has been “proven”, Bob, is that neither Party dislikes Big Government. Keep throwing away your vote on Republicans and keep wondering why the Government get Bigger.

      • Tinwarble

        DaveH,

        This is not about the Party, it is about putting actual limited government candidates up as our representatives. The problem with the Republican Party isn’t that they like big government, but we Republicans have let the Party leaders put up people who don’t fall inline with our conservative values. We have let the Progressives infiltrate our party and let them ruin our party, making us look more like the Democrats than the conservative party of Reagan. It is not that we should give up on the Republican Party, but to bring the party back to our conservative values. Now you know that I agree with you on most issues, but I feel Libertarians take things to far. I have no impulse to try to change how you feel, but I would suggest you see this about the roots of American Liberty: http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1452232390?bctid=10331348001

      • DaveH

        Tin,
        The “conservative” party of Reagan was basically a party of one – Reagan. He went in like a ball of fire with a lot of good ideas. His own party (led by Bob Dole) hung all over him and prevented him from implementing most of his ideas. The Democrats were crying that the budget was being “cut to the bone” (all that was really done was to halt growth of government). And the Republican Congressmen were admonishing Reagan that he needed to “compromise”. So, his own party effectively neutered the man that may have otherwise been the most effective president ever.

      • DaveH

        And Tin,
        If you expect others to respect your freedom, you need to return the favor. I’m talking about the Republicans’ obsession with vice-crimes. The government has no business protecting people from themselves. This is what drives a lot of people to the Democrat Party. That and the military state that is driven mostly by Republicans.

      • DaveH

        And you should read this:
        http://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf

      • Tinwarble

        DaveH,

        First, I do respect your freedom, but freedom isn’t what we are promise (except for religious freedom), we are promised LIBERTY. Animals have freedom, Liberty has a purely human context. Liberty is freedom with morality, being able to do what you want is not Liberty. As one of the philosophers that our Founding Fathers turned to when forming our country said:

        “But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint.”

        Edmund Burke

      • DaveH

        Tin,
        I use freedom and liberty interchangeably. Liberty perhaps implies more of a relation between state and citizens. But who cares? The English language is not a precise one.
        http://www.lewrockwell.com/stromberg/stromberg14.html

        Look, I know you’re intelligent. You don’t need to try to impress me. But I am also, and my years of experience tell me that you can’t force your morality on other people unless such morality is embraced by the vast majority of people.

      • DaveH

        And what I do with my own body is nobody else’s business. I can tell you that you wouldn’t like me telling you what to do with yours. I’m a health food nut who lives a very spartan life with a discipline that very few people could tolerate. But I wouldn’t dream of forcing my life choices on others.

        The problem with Republicans is that, whatever morality they embrace, they think same should be forced on others. As a result, we have this very large dichotomy between Left-Wingers and Right Wingers. And those of us who just mind our own business get caught in the middle.

      • Tinwarble

        DaveH,

        Now, this is not about me trying to prove to you how intelligent I am, I will tell you that I am just an dumb old redneck, nor am I trying to disprove your intelligence. But you have no qualm about criticizing Conservatives on their beliefs when you disagree, and I would think that your beliefs would be strong enough to withstand criticism when someone has an intelligent disagreement with you. I, like you, will defend my beliefs the best I can, with the best facts that are available. This, after all, is not an argument just for arguments sake.

        With that being said, I am a fairly good student of history and I do agree with you that the English language is not precise, but the Founding Fathers were precise in their language and the words that they used were specifically chosen for their meaning. To disregard what they or those that they were influenced by as not being precise only makes using any of their quotes ineffective and void of any meaning. And this is just a question, so try not to make more out of it than it is. But isn’t the argument that Liberals use when trying to subvert the Constitution for their own gain, that the language isn’t precise?

      • Tinwarble

        And Dave, I read the article you posted and was already aware of this. But a words definition isn’t the problem, it’s the philosophy of the word Liberty, and for that you have to look at the philosophers the Founding Fathers were influenced by. The Constitution, after all, was not based on the meaning of words, but a philosophy held by our Founding Fathers.

      • eyeswideopen

        Tin, you just made my point by stating the Founding Fathers were precise in their language. They did not use the word Jesus or Christ in any of our documents. This country was not founded under Christianity but certainly was under GOD. I rest my case.

      • Tinwarble

        Eyes,

        Actually, I NEVER said that this was a Christian Nation, but we were founded on Judeo-Christian “PRINCIPLES”. There is a difference between being a Christian Nation and the principles that we were founded on. This is were GOD comes in, but apparently you are just to ignorant to know the difference.

      • Tinwarble

        And eyes,

        If you don’t know the difference, which apparently you don’t, this might help you before you go and respond on something you don’t know:

        http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/story/pilgrim/2009/07/09/a_nation_founded_on_judeo_christian_principles

      • Tinwarble

        And eyes,

        As I have told you before, Christ is GOD, they are one and the same. And by referencing the “GOD” it applies to both the Hebrew GOD and Christ. So your argument that when the Founding Fathers mentioned GOD and not Jesus or Christ is just on it’s face erroneous, but perhaps you should learn something before you go ranting that you are right.

        http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/ednk-jesusgodorman.html

      • eyeswideopen

        Tin, I read yours, try reading this one which is non-partisian.
        Instead of misquoting our founding fathers, here is a list of their beliefs about religion and how they tried to protect us from your type of thinking. http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

      • Tinwarble

        Actually eyes, that is the same thing that has been spouted by all that think that the Founding Fathers weren’t Christians, which is not right either. This is only someone taking the quotes that they want to hear and leaving out those that they don’t. To say that this is a non-partisan site is dishonest to say the least, sense they have there own agenda. You need read the book Founding Faith and take look at this:

        http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Faith-Tools/The-Founding-Faith-Archive/Founding-Faith.aspx

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        And to prove my point about the site that you posted, they didn’t have this for Thomas Jefferson:

        “God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are a gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever.”
        - Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial, Washington DC

      • Eatlw

        One thing that has not been said here yet is WATCH OUT FOR INFILTRATORS from the other two parties whose mission would be to sow discord. Most modern movements in the latter half of the 20th century have had infiltrators…….Common opposition tactic. Usually they are the ones who are coaxing people to do radical things so they can either be discredited or arrested….

      • greyhawk

        While purging the congress of Tweedle Dees and Tweedle Dumbs, we have to know the issues and voting records of members and not put them all in the same basket or category. For example, here in Alabama, we have 2 Republican U.S. Senators. Both are better than the Best Democrat from any state, but of the two, Senator Jeff Sessions is truly a Fiscal and Social Conservative. Would not want to lose him to some lesser conservative or pray tell to a democrat. But, Senator Shelby on the other hand, he is socially conservative, and fiscally conservative to a degree, except when it comes to Pork. He loves to bring Pork Home to some of his Hand Picked contributors and builds monuments to himself. I will vote for any conservative who challenges him.

        As for a TEA Party convention, I believe that some of the major organizers come together and discuss strategies and platform issues.

        As a TEA party participant in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, I was not involved in organizing the event, but it was a good turn out and it was inspirational, but the organizers had too many local political hacks who got an opportunity to speak, and to some degree, it was politics as usual.

        We need a national platform that Directly Attacks and Proposes Real Changes in Local, State and National Government. On the national level, we must begin a movement that involves calling for not just cutting spending, but Cutting The Agencies, Departments, Commissions and Bureaus that the elected politicians use and fund, and all these agencies, departments, commissions and bureaus are there own self-perpetuating empires, and like all empires, they seek growth in size, power, and expenditures, and it has been through these mostly worthless federal bureaucracies that we now find ourselves in the Fiscal and Social mess that we now have.

        While this is going on, nobody in the republican or democrat party ever suggests abolishing entire departments, agencies, commissions or bureaus and it is through this bureaucratic machinery that our freedoms, rights and liberties have been taken, and it is through these agencies that our industrial and manufacturing base has been destroyed as they leave the country to escape excessive government regulations that strangle them and at the same time, the taxes are so high, they cannot afford to operate in this country and therefore provide good jobs for legal U.S. citizens.

        So, Plank 1. Abolish U.S. Government Agencies, Depts., Commissions, Bureaus, etc. targeting the U.S. Department of Education first, as it has been through this department that the nation has been dumbed down and brainwashed by Design from the Subversives who run this Department, who are all National Teacher Union Leaders. Public Education is a State and Local Matter, and the Feds should have no involvement whatsoever. And, then we can get back to the Basics of Teaching Academic Skills, and not the current Political Correctness, Sexual Perversity, and Cultural Diversity and other nonsense. And, then follow this with the Department of Energy and others. Afterall, the Federal Bureaucracy winds up being Replicated at the State Level of government as the Feds mandate to States what they have to do. If Massachusetts or California want to Remain Socialist, so be it, but do not impose on the rest of the country.

        Plank 2: Stringently Enforce Immigration laws, including the arrest of anybody who hires them knowingly or sells real estate to illegals. Build the Fence. Round up the Illegals and Deport Immediately. End the Anchor Baby Law. The illegals now occupy one third of our prison space due to violent crimes committed in this country. End all Social Assistance to Illegals.

        Plank 3: Turn Welfare into Workfare. If people refuse to work when able, then they will have to root hog or die. If they get hungry enough, they will seek employment, but we have to put the nation back on it’s feet and rid the nation of a worthless federal bureaucracy that destroys incentives to produce. We have to have a business friendly environment free of many regulations, taxes, etc. American businesses will regulate themselves responsibly if left alone. Then, Americans coming off welfare will be able to find jobs.

        These are the issues we need to be discussing. Believe it or not, there are millions of Americans waiting to hear Some Real Ideas and Plans.

        As long as the current Bureaucratic Machinery stays in place, nothing will change that matters. Replacing Political Candidates only changes how the money is squandered and what it is squandered on. You have to Destroy the Machinery through which the Money Gets Squandered.

        Getting back to basics in Government and in all other Affairs is the answer.

        And, yes, end the reign of Lobbyists. We, the People are the Lobbyists. We lobby with our votes. After we vote them in, we expect them to represent We, The People. When they stop representing us, we replace them. Special Interest Lobbyists are a Plague, and these lobbyists have more power than We, The People under the current rules. This must end. My Townhall Blogs are Take Back Our Schools, Take Back Our Communities, and a couple of others. My handle is greyhawk and located in Alabama. We have to get busy and take this country back while we still have the freedom to do something about it. At the rate that these Liberal Fascists have moved, we may not have these rights much longer. The time to ACT is now. So, end the In-Fighting. Do not let the MSM or RINO’s or Lib Dems divide and conquer us. United we stand, divided we fall. Happy Trails–Greyhawk at jeromeennis@aol.com.

      • greyhawk

        You are so right Eatlw. The career politicians, MSM and Hollywood have mastered the Divide And Conquer strategies. We need to guard against being misled by Infiltrators and others. If you have folks in your movement who are always stirring up strife, bring them back to the basics of the movement. Do not let anybody inside or outside the movement divide you. Remember, the leftists have an unlimited supply of your tax dollars to fund their movement through groups such as ACORN, SEIU and others, and they will infiltrate your movements. They are not hard to spot. When you get new members who seem overly zealous and want to tell you how to do it, keep an eye on them, and do not trust them with anything important, and by all means, CYA at all times.

  • Jerry Stoneburner

    I supported the Tea Party in their efforts with Brown in MA. But, this convention that is planed in Nashville has the markings of excesses. If I am going to support the Tea Party in the future the leaders had better show some restraints on spending my donations. Sara Palin should be donating her time as a guest speaker, Not charging $100,000. WRONG MESSAGE to our opposition.

    • Ayn Rand

      I was told Palin did not charge an honorarium for this event. Do you know for a fact she is being paid $100K? Tx

      • JeffH

        She said that her fee would be donated to charity.

    • Janew

      One thing, Sarah Palin did say that she was going to put that money back into support for candidates that tea party people are backing. I agree with most of you that we do not need a convention. But, if it draws serious people who will come home with good leadership ideas, it will help us all. Most of us do not know how to organize our community, we’re all really new at this and Sarah can energize the folks.

      • eyeswideopen

        Janew, Palin purchased $63,000 worth of her own books to be given to her $100.00 donors. She donated $43,000 to political candidates. She stated that she would be able to donate her fee to a pac. If it’s a grass roots group with no money other than that which Fox gives them, why charge them?

      • JeffH

        …and just what does that have to do with anything?

  • Maryann O’Rourke

    This is what happens all the time. There are always too many people who want to be in charge and not enough people who want to be lead. I agree with Bob that the Tea Party does not need a convention. It would be moving in the wrong direction if we think that we can become a group outside of the conservative Republican Party. We need to be united, remember this group was formed to let the Republicans know that we will not stand for the Republicans who are RHINOS in disguise. We need to stop the bickering and remain united.

    • Bonnie

      I could not be a member of the Republican Party as it is today. I am a conservative, and therefore, I could not be a member of the Democratic Party either. You have to realize how many of us are out here in ‘no man’s land’ without a party to represent them, we have rejected both parties, realizing that they are corrupted by the elites. The Republican party is repulsive to me in that they are warmongers, and fall into the elite’s trap of believing that we must start preemptive war with oil rich countries. It is time for the American people to wake up and realize that they have been duped by the military-industrial- (and now) pharmaceutical complex. WE have produced ‘terrorists’, by mucking in their affairs for the past 80 years, so that we can get our greedy hands on the oil underneath of the sands of their countries, and in the interest of Israel. In fact, every decision the U.S. government makes is in the interest of Israel, and against the interest of the United States of America. Our problem is duel citizens of both countries infest our federal government, the influence of the AIPAC, the ADF, PNAC, and MSM’s that subvert and propagandize our ‘News!’ Do not forget that there IS a shadow government and THEY call the shots, and all Washington has buckled under to them. John Kennedy tried to do things his own way, and look what happened to him.

  • Wesley W. Harris

    I agree with Bob that the Tea Party does not need a convention, however, I strongly suggest that there is a danger from some of the ‘fring’ members of the group of circumventing the cause via unjust complaints when those of us step out in front to try to give the movement direction. Without direction the movement will fall into caos and the Polisi claims of “mob rule” will actually apply. No movement in history obtained it’s goal without some leadership, organization and direction. This is a fact and the Tea Party movement is not exempt from this rule.

  • Vera Vaupel

    Sarah Palin in her book explained the left tactics at destroying. Scott Brown’s win was perfect if you consider how he won with Tea Party proponents realizing big money is a bad candidate small donations gave him the win, let’s hope he uses it wisely.
    Newt Gingrich, Sarah Plain, Mike Huckabee, Glenn Beck. Newt is history savvy with knowledge of how to get us backed out of many bad laws created and positions held that shouldn’t be there, a knowledgeable constitutionalist. Sarah is dedicated to doing the sensible common sense thing, working for the people. She’s already stepped on big business so they are working against her, bonus for her she’s an outsider. Mike would be OK but not brutal. We need someone that wouldn’t bend to bad law ideas just to get along. No law is better than a bad one. Glenn we need right where he is. He has done more to reveal corruption than anyone presently on the air waves barring none and thus far I have not found one false report out of him that he hasn’t corrected, a must for information that you follow.
    Tea Party movement will go a long way in getting the best candidates on the ticket with 912 ideals.

    • greyhawk

      Right on Post Vera. Mike Huckabee, since getting his own TV show, has become a fence straddler. He loves his celebrity and I think leaving him at Fox is the place for him as he tends to want to coddle all. He, like O’Reilly is Fair and Balanced, which you have to be if your are walking a fence. In other words, we want no Fence Straddlers who “tilt in which ever direction they believe they have the most power.” This sort of Mealy Mouthed nonsense is why McCain was so unfit to represent the conservative movement. And, McCain and his handlers totally squelched Palin, and this Squelching cost us the election. It is time to take the Gloves Off and hit them where it hurts and that is Hit Them With The Truth.

      Most Americans would like to hear some ideas that include: Abolishing Many Departments, Agencies, Commissions and Bureaus of the Federal Government. It has been throught the Agency, Dept. Empire Building that the nation has gotten so far off track that it now resembles the old Soviet Union. The Absolute Downsizing to the Federal Government is a Must, and it Must be the Major Plank in our Campaign to take the country back. All government agencies, departments, commissions and bureaus are their own Self-Perpetuating Empires and like all Empires, they Become Despotic and Totalitarian. To Kill a Venomous Snake, You Cut off it’s head. The Many Headed Snake that is destroying us as a nation is the Bureaucracy.

      • AmyB

        AMEN! AMEN! and AMEN!

    • Twncars

      Awesome Vera

  • http://yahoo Joseph Glaab

    Hi!
    Neither the Democrats or Republicans have enough, or maybe any, good candidates. The Tea Party is already splitting because of their conservative and ultra-conservative, Libertarian views. I would say that the present Government only has one honest politician at this time, Ron Paul. I am confident that if the Tea Party members would realize that they are really Libertarian, suitable candidates cold be found. I suspect that it will only be a short time before Brown from Massachusetts will be fed the “stupid” pills that Washington thrives on. Of course it could be in the water!

    • Tinwarble

      Actually, Joseph, the Tea Party movement isn’t splitting and this is not about conservatives vs. ultra conservatives or Libertarians. This is about one person trying to place himself as the leader of the Tea Party movement. And your assessment that Tea Party people are really Libertarians is off the mark too, sense the Tea Party is made up of Democrats, Republicans, Independents and Libertarians. All want the government to stop over taxing people and for a more limited government, but not all to the same extent, so no, most aren’t Libertarians.

      • Curtis S

        That’s going to be a huge disappointment to the puppet masters at Faux News who are the creators of this “grass roots” movement. They started the movement, they keep it alive and now they’re about to crown Sarah as the “queen” of the Tea Party. It would be very disrespectful of the tea-baggers to stop following orders now. Who’s going to pay (fundraise) to listen to Sarah’s “keynote” speeches and eat steak with Sarah?

      • Tinwarble

        Curtis,

        There you go, twisting the truth again. I believe the first Tea Party was started by Keli Carender, who blogs as “Liberty Belle”. Fox did not start the Tea Party but did give it a voice unlike the MSM who either ignored it or lambasted it with their diatribe. Maybe that’s why your friends over there at MSNBC, CNN and the rest of the MSM have such bad ratings. The only thing started by anyone over at Fox was the 9-12 Project started by Beck. But sense you have never watched Fox, and only get what you know of Fox from you Liberal friends over at the Huff & Blow Post, I wouldn’t expect you to know what Fox has or hasn’t done.

  • Michelle

    We need to keep the Tea Party Movement to it’s core values, just like we need to reign in the out of control government back to the core values of the constitution. Political power breeds corruption, and the power of the upcoming convention seems to following in these tracks. Differences of opinion exist in any group, even when the basic beliefs are the same. The Tea Party Movement needs to remain strong if we want to get the country back.

    • greyhawk

      You are so right Michelle. The career politicians, MSM and Hollywood have mastered the Divide And Conquer strategies. We need to guard against being misled by Infiltrators and others. If you have folks in your movement who are always stirring up strife, bring them back to the basics of the movement. Do not let anybody inside or outside the movement divide you. Remember, the leftists have an unlimited supply of your tax dollars to fund their movement through groups such as ACORN, SEIU and others, and they will inflitrate your movements. They are not hard to spot. When you get new members who seem overly zealous and want to tell you how to do it, keep an eye on them, and do not trust them with anything important, and by all means, CYA at all times.

      • Curtis S

        You are so right Michelle. The career politicians, Faux News and fundamental Christians have mastered the Divide And Conquer strategies. We need to guard against being misled by Infiltrators and others. If you have folks in your movement who are always stirring up strife, bring them back to the basics of the movement. Do not let anybody inside or outside the movement divide you. Remember, the fascists have an unlimited supply of your tax dollars to fund their movement through groups such as Moral Majority, Focus on the Family and others, and they will infiltrate your movements. They are not hard to spot. When you get new members who seem overly zealous and want to tell you how to do it, keep an eye on them, and do not trust them with anything important, and by all means, CYA at all times.

      • eyeswideopen

        Too funny. Thanks needed that laugh.

      • Fed Up Gal in Nm

        Curtis S,

        All eyes are on you, Curtis.

        Fed Up Gal

      • Michael J.

        Curtis S,
        Thanks for the textbook Alinsky analysis. I guess the only rules for radicals is that there are no rules, just insideous goals.

      • Curtis S

        Alinsky? Saul Alinsky? I’d never heard of this person, but thanks for the insight! I thought it was a classic Karl Rove move, but now I see where he got his modus operandi from.
        Ya learn something new everyday! Thanks MJ!

    • http://yahoo.com Sue C

      Michelle! You sound like a person who wants to keep things on the right track, and I am with you, on that, but I have a problem with the Tea Party, and “What Does It Stand Up For?” We do not need a party to get back to the proper way of getting America back on track! Parties only exploit people, who are as “LOST SHEEP, WITHOUT A SHEPHERD!” (That means, Democrats, the *Republicans, who talk the talk, but only look out for the rich, while they bleed, or ride on the backs of the poor. TEA PARTY? What is that? Better Watch It! Political Parties are just High Class Hustlers! The Prostitute is more honest than those white collared, smiling, brief case crooks!!!!!

      We don’t need a political party to get back to the basics of Truth, Honesty, Integrity, Self-Respect, and Respect for others, regardless of race, color, or creed. We need to make a conscious decision, as humans, each day, to uphold, and promote only the things that are good, for ourselves, our home, family, community, and country.

      Right now, we are involved in many intangents, and sometimes down-right dishonest, useless, and no good issues/situations, which are not conducive, nor beneficial, to the growth, development, and prosperity of this nation. We as people of the land, have to make that conscious decision, to do better, for ourselves, and country!

      There is currently such “Poor Customer Service”, from the young people, known as the X-GENs, who have no respect for anyone, nor themselves, and act as if, the older people are in their way! That shows “no one” spent “quality time”, to teach them anything about values, self respect, and how to respect others, thus we have a lot of people, especially from the 60s, who are lost, who are groping at noonday, as in darkness! No political party can solve this GRAVE problem. We have to get up, stand up, and make up our minds to do better. It is never too late to learn, and if we are going to watch anyone, it will have to be ourselves, and when we watch others, it will not be because of the agenda of a political party, but we will do so, to help them to get up, stand up, and join hands to build.

      The Agenda, we need is one that will, once again, make America, A Place of Love, of self, neighbor, the stanger, who may be hurting (but with some caution). We must work on “Self-Respect, Trust, the building, and growth, of this country, into what America once use to be. A Place where people once use to feel safe, protected, and free, but now, it is a place where you cannot trust your neighbor, who sees you, and knows your going out, and coming in, and your daily habits. That is not a good report, and a Political Party is not going to make us into good people. We have to WORK AT IT! Tea Party? NO!

  • realbigal

    The best way to keep the Tea Party movement from fizzling is to steer individuals to Appleton.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    I consider myself as conservative, but I believe that the Tea Party organizers will fail in their agenda, affiliated with a party or not! Not only has the “progressive(Marxist) agenda” been going on in America since Wilson was President, it also has evolved into American Culture. In fact, since the Civil War, to become citizens in America, applicants must be “External” in personality type, meaning wanting others to make decisions for them! A Roman Catholic is a good example of being an “external” personality type! Note: Although Jesuits did infiltrate into America before the civil war, introducing Roman Catholics into America, it was not legal for Roman Catholics to come to America until after the civil war! That’s fact! Now, the biggest denomination of “Christian” is “Roman Catholic” in America! Again, this process is called using “evolution,” not revolution, but it is our true history!

    • http://mju@tampabay.rr.com marika

      Victor, i think You have a problem with beleivers in God by any faith…the problem is the people that dos not know the past world history about Marx, Hitler etc. And the universeties brainwash our young people about liberalizum
      Everyone should turn the tv on for Glenn Beck teaching ….I lived it
      what he is teaching about….

    • Bob

      Mr. Barney,
      Are you suggesting that those that believe in the fundamental reasons for the Tea Party movement might as well give up? I, for one, will not.
      Bob

      • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

        My Dear Bob, I hope that if you ever see this posted somewhere, you’ll not take personal affront, Maybe you’ve even heard the commercial. By the way, I too shall not give up on the Tea Party MOVEMENT, not political party. Anyway, read this: “Don’t Worry, Bob’s here!” That was the punch line from a rather memorable commercial for a temp agency from a few years ago. I took that line, applied it to illegal immigration and came up with the following tongue in cheek essay: “Don’t worry, B.O.B.’s here!” “B.O.B.” stands for “Bag limit? Or Bounty?” (If Bounty, “Dead or Alive?”) It went on from there. Unfortunately, it’s lost somewhere in the old, real old computer it was created on. You, however, I believe, get the idea. Of course, the “progressives” who read it were “outraged, simply outraged” by it. I saw this reaction as a good sign, since they usually are by the truth. I also was saddened by the realization that “A Modest Proposal”, or something similar, could not be published in todays world of “Politically Correct, New Speak”.

    • Curtis S

      What? When were Roman Catholics banned from emigrating to US???

  • http://windowslive BILL MILLER

    I’ve been at several Tea Parties and our Constitutional Rights are our main concern.We want them back pure and simple.

    • Trisha Barton

      I have been to one. I proudly support them and will continue to until changes are made in government.

  • upsidedownjack

    Let us not forget what the TEA Party is “all” about. Your all right, this is a People Movement! But if this Convention, Put’s both Party’s on notice’s weve had enought, were Mad as Hell and were TAKING BACK our Country! We should remember that it’s the Goverment that is the Problem here. And that is BOTH PARTY’S!!!!!!!!!! We need to stop the Progressives from, interfering in the “Life’s” of the (Everyday) man! And there is plenty of the (Progressives) in BOTH PARTY’S! WE need to have People in DC that want to go go home after ONE term! We need ot get back to a Goverment of the PEOPLE!
    John Gault

    • denniso

      So,steak and lobster,Palin getting $200,000 to show up and babble,$200 tickets to get in…some ‘grass roots’ convention this will be. Maybe rich grass roots.

      • http://mooresmorgue@hotmail.com John Moore

        If paid $500 for a ticket, I’d expect steak & lobster also.

  • Daniel

    Personally, I think the grass roots of the Tea Party is essential. Was this not how the founders wanted government to be? The power comes from the people. The people would then choose the best among themselves to represent them to others and the world. While I am afraid that the movement will fall into corruption if organized into a political party just as the Republicans and Democrats have, I feel this is necessary. I only hope it is not too late. If there is no Tea Party political power, then how will we make our voices heard. Republicans have candidates do too low in the poles because we feel the choice they “give” us is too far to the left. And what seems to happen? The Democrats tell the Republicans that the candidate was too far to the right and it all too often the Republicans listen to politics than to what we the people really want. So, you don’t think the Tea Party should be a political movement rising up out from the grass roots? Then I guess you want our current “two” party system to continue to offer only you limited choices on your representation, sometimes asking you to choose the lesser of two evils instead of giving you someone who just might be “grassroots.” And, yes, sometimes the Democrats and Republicans offer us a grassroots candidate, but I often feel like that is because we the people forced them to more than because it was what they wanted to offer us. I am well aware of the risk that a third party may fracture more of the Republican vote and leave Democrats “in power.” Personally, I am more afraid that the third party might be too late into this game than I am of the consequences of one being created. Without a third party, we will probably see a lot of “Democrat-lite” being labelled as Republicans and far leftists be labelled as Democrats. A third party that could win a few seats, or at least rock the boat enough, might force the parties to actually realign to the center than to have both keep going to the left.

  • BOOTumALL

    We need to cleanse the congress of all career politicians. That’s the movement. Put common folk who are looking out for us in office. The entrenched beaurucrats need to be put on SSI instead of their federal pensions. Its easy to promote bad ideas when you know it won’t affect you.

    • Trisha Barton

      Now there’s an idea! The fact that they don’t have to go on SSI is the reason we still do. If they knew what it took to try to live on that and then not even get a cost of living increase, while they still get their pay increases, they would understand why we are standing up to them. I hope more of us do.

    • http://yahoo.com Sue C

      Atta, Boy

  • http://churchlionjudah@verizon.net B. Lee Pemberton

    The Republican Party is no longer a conservative organization, and for the first time since 1987, I will not vote Republican. Members of Congress who claim to be Republican are largely RINO’s and are wolves in sheep’s clothing. I expect to vote for Tea Party candidates in every election from now on. Goodbye, fickle Repubs! You gave up without a fight, and nobody wants cowards and slackers as their representatives!

  • Bill Hicks

    The Tea Party Movement should not evolve into a “front” for the Republican party or any other top-down controlled establishment organization. We should remain a grass-roots organization….keeping our eye on Constitutional principles and raising untoward government excesses to the point where the news media can never doubt our independence!

    • Curtis S

      Absolutely! The Tea Party Movement should not evolve into a “front” for Faux News, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin or any other top-down controlled establishment organization. We should remain a grass-roots organization….keeping our eye on Constitutional principles and raising untoward government excesses.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/is-the-tea-party-movement-being-weakened-by-internal-strife-19582471/ Damian

    Let us keep informed. Let us involve. Recruit. Communicate. Vote.

    • Faith

      Tired of career politicians? Please google GOOOH (Get out of our House) United we are standing!!! A difference is being made each and every day. Thank You All!!!

  • Robert

    The Tea Party organizers don’t need a convention. This was a grassroots movement of people of different political affiliations. Their message has been a strong one and the media cannot ignore their voices too much longer. This convention just provides mainstream media with fodder to attack the movement. Let the Tea Parties continue the way they are and in November their voices will definitely heard. Teas Party participant’s have already said it’s not a political movement, it’s ordinary Americans from all walks of life telling the government to wake up and stop their reckless behavior.

    • Trisha Barton

      Well said, Robert. THANK YOU!

      • SteveO

        Here’s the thing…..we must remain vigilant, always. The progressives will do whatever they feel necessary….anything to undermine our Tea Party movement!!! The best way to stop a grass roots movement is at the roots. So someone comes along and decides we need to be an organized political machine, well, do the math. I’m just an old Hillbilly but I get it. I hope everyone else does.

        On another note: If you feel the fire cooling just listen to the things Congress, Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Obama continue to tell us we needthat should be enough.

      • denniso

        Why would ‘progressives’ want to undermine the tea party movement? You’ve got it backwards. Opponents of the Repub party and ‘conservatives’ in general want to see more power move to the tea people because it works against the mainstream Repub party,since most of it is made up of incumbents. I give the tea party about 6 more months of action,before they fall apart w/ infighting,like most flash movements do.

      • http://mooresmorgue@hotmail.com John Moore

        That would be a sad thing to see happen. The republicans should embrace what the Teaparty movement has started, and I feel they would have landslide victories all across this great nation. That is as long as all Americans still belive in our Founding Documents, not some “living, breathing” thing the Tories (Libs) would like it to be. The last time I checked, there was still an amendment process to go through before the Constutiton could be changed.

    • Meteorlady

      well said – organization top down is a bad thing. Keep the movement going!

    • http://yahoo.com Sue C

      Robert!

      Which Government are YOU talking about? This Government is just one year old, and he took over a Government, with empty coffers, and a whole lot of Republican Chaos, AND Economic Crises, with many Jobless, Homeless, and starving people, whose clothes are now falling off their bodies, for lack of food, and I know Obama did not do that to them!

      I don’t know about the Tea Parties, and what they stand up for, but I know that Sarah Palin is the biggest joke in town, and her agenda is probably Promote “Division”, and Racism will accomplish the mission, of ****DIVIDE, AND RULE****, *Whites “Against all other races!” If she ever becomes the President of the USA, will be one thing, and the other would be, that Americans have poor taste, in choosing their Commander-in-Chief.

      She is beauty, without brain, and “Soccer Mom” talks, or accusing Pres. Obama, of being a College Professor, instead of Commander-in-Chief, is just not going to cut it!!! America has a President, that is not a Blood-Monger, War Monger, Bigot, Racist, and does not take part in Partiality. All Those are White American Traits, and because they are also “DICTATORS” who think “their way” is the best way, they are unable to accept a different way. I love the Way Mr. Obama is running this Government! Here’s Why!!!!!

      He reminds me of a home, that has a “Real Father”, as Head of a Household, who takes charge, and studies his path carefully, before making decisions, because his decisions, will affect himself, and everyone in his house, either positively, or negatively. He weighs the Pros & Cons, carefully, and does not spend money, foolishly, because he wants to be ready, and able to meet the demands of life, should things not turn out well, at any time, unexpectedly.

      However, because the Republicans emptied the coffers, before they left office, in 2008, President Obama has nothing much to work with, with millions of people out of jobs, on SSI/UIB, or on welfare, and whatever else, people use in lieu, of a wage/salary, which means,”many” millions of people, are not paying taxes, and all the finger pointers, are on him, saying, “He is not getting anything done!” To the finger pointers, I say, “One finger” points to President Obama, and the others are facing you. What really do you expect him to do? Are you asking him to “FETCH WATER WITH A STRAINER?” Come on people, get a life!!!!!

      All of you who want to be President of the USA, that always have something to ****WHINE, & COMPLAIN ABOUT****, let me remind you, that America is not A BOTTOMLESS WELL, from which Tom, Dick, Harry, and Jones can steal, constantly, line his pocket, or his Bank Account with taxpayers’ money, and never expect the coffers to ever go empty….. America has a lot of thieves, and they are High Profiled, Mid-Profiled, Low-Profiled, and some of them are working hard at it, to get a profile!!!!!

      Let’s catch the thieves, and “CAN” THEM, then America will be free to get many beautiful things done. This country is beautiful, and has great potential, for awesome things, but Americans are like the “GRAVEYARD” They always want something from America, and they never give back anything!!!!! When you love your country, you “WORK”
      hard, to build it, NOT TO BREAK IT! It is really shameful to see how Americans take too much for granted, always live life as if there is “NO TOMORROW”, and NEVER PREPARES THEMSELVES, FOR THE RAINY DAY, BUT THEY ALWAYS WANT THE TAXPAYERS’ TO BAIL THEM OUT, AFTER THEY HAVE SCREWED THEMSELVES, ROYALLY!

      The Massive Problem in America, is not the Government, but LAZY PEOPLE, WHO ALWAYS WANT A HANDOUT!!!!! We should have a CURRICULUM IN SCHOOL THAT TEACHES LAZY, AMERICANS HOW TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT! IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GET OFF THE TAXPAYERS’ BACK.

      TAXPAYERS, have paid for the upbringing of generations of families, who have one-night standers, whoremongers/occultists, thieves, and heaven knows what else, for fathers. We pay for their housing, clothes, and food, also in jail!!!!! What the Heck do you all expect of a Government????? Stop being losers, and start doing something good for your country, people. That way, you will be labeled “PATRIOTS”, not “LOSERS!”

      ABOUT THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE, if they they are not about re-educating the people of America, to be self-sufficient, and do go over, and above the call of duty to build their country, then “LET IT BE EXTINCT!” America needs helpers, unity, integrity, *NOT DIVISION!

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