Joe H—I have been doing this for quite some time. But I keep getting their mailings asking for donations so they obviously do not read.

This Normal Liberal Guy cannot be trusted. I suggest you do your own research before you come to any conclusions. Here is one article that I dug up:
http://www.beaufortobserver.net/interpol.html

Normal Guy–I could not find a “reply” to your last post to me so I am using this one.
I respect your beliefs concerning Obama. But remember, I am in Illinois and there are many concerns that have come to light within this past year, and I cannot condone these concerns. I have enough sense to realize things do not happen immediately. It does take time, but I do not appreciate the way things are being handled, and rushed through without careful consideration and the intelligence I had hoped for. It appears to me that things are being handled in a speedy and careless manner just so everyone can be re-elected including Obama. I do not appreciate the lack of transparency that was promised. I do not believe that this man is the one to do the job. I do not believe he is capable of uniting this country, the Americans, nor Congress. A lot of the people that voted for him are now against him. Therefore, I am not alone in this. I had such high hopes and then reality set in. I would say this regardless of party. It is a shame, but this is the way it is. Therefore, in all good conscience, I will not cast a vote to re-elect him.

Unfortuneatly that is not the way the world turns. It takes a bunch of money to file these actions in the courts, Phil Berg can tell you all about that & he is still trying to get the courts to make Obama produce his original, actual Birth Certificate. Obama is spending millions to fight it.

I am as old as you want me to be.

Old enpough to have had a few decades of experience.

JanO–yes, many years. I have arrived to the point where I believe I have “seen” it all. Decades of experience—I hope so. I have seen politicians come and go, and the amazing part of it all is that none of them stands out as being “great.” They all had/have a skeleton in their closet, there is/was always something that had a kink in it. None of them were perfect, none of them will be perfect. I used to always think “this guy sounds great” but then it would backfire. I am to the point where I no longer have any faith in the politicians we have now nor the ones we will acquire in the future. There is so much corruption and greed in both parties that I do not believe America will ever be the same. It is terribly sad. And no, I am not trying to sound depressing, I am merely stating what I believe. All Americans should unite and throw these incompetents out of office and NOT vote for any more of them. No re-electing of these people. Start anew–somehow.

JanO–”Old enough to know better but too young to resist.” LOL

I hear you Claire. No, politicians are not saints any better then we are. But their is obviously some that are better then others. What people need to do before voting is research and test the candidate before voting. Not just swallowing hook, line & sinker the words coming from their mouth. There was plenty of info during this last election, but people either discounted it or just refused to beleive it. Some let their emotions get in their way as well.

No man can be everything to everybody. We have apathetically allowed the government to intrude way too much on our lives. One size does not fit all, and we will never be happy as a Nation until we find a way to roll back the size of Government dramatically. We need to quit depending on Politicians to give us the good life. It isn’t going to happen.

Dennis—O.K. I had figured out that much but why call it Kool-Aid?

Because it is a drink with almost no nutritional value that is pleasing to the tongue like Hopes and Dreams are pleasing to those who don’t know better.

Claire,
They are talking about Jim Jones founder of the People’s Temple. Jones moved his temple to Guyana and called it Jones Town. Too make the story short he convinced his followers too drink a cyanide-lace grape flavored solution. About 900 of his followers died that day and close to 300 of them were children. This occurred in 1978.

Boe—Good grief. I get the picture. It is just that I have never heard this phrase until I started reading the posts on the Bob Livingston sites. I learn something new every day! And I thought I was keeping up on stuff!!!
Thnaks for going the extra step to explain.

I mean thanks!!!

JC–I get the drift. I remember the guy and the dysfunctional people that followed him. You can bet I won’t ever be drinking Kool Aid from now on!!! Seriously, I cannot imagine anyone in their right mind blindly following an idiot like that and end up killing themselves.

I can imagine it Claire…picture this: 100,000 people in Chicago’s Lincoln Park mindlessly chanting “yes we can – yes we can – yes we can – (zeig heil – zeig heil…)
It’s happening in America now. Make sure you are able to protect yourself.

JC–Your comments are certainly something to think about. Insanity in the making. I remember that night in Chicago Park, I saw it on TV and I can remember thinking that there must have been a million people there. I have friends in Chicago (my relatives moved out) and they said they thought it was more than 100,000 people. A person couldn’t get anywhere because of the traffic congestion, etc. My friends also said there were all kinds of ethnic people and they were laughing, singing and happy as larks. Personally, Chicago scares me, I would never want to live there.
Yes, my husband has plenty of protection, if you get my drift. He hunted for years with our dogs, but now he cannot do the walking. I also know how to handle a pistol as well as a double-barrel shotgun. He took me to the gun club several years ago so I could learn to handle a gun. He is good at it, and I think I could do what I had to do to protect myself and my family.

And I have my trusty old crowbar that I can wield like a baton if I have to! And I have my mace. LOL

Claire,
It all began one dark and stormy nite…………No I won’t try to tell you again!!!!!

Claire, forget the double barrel…semi auto 12ga. with a 12 round magazine…that’ll buy you some space if you need it.

JC—AHA! I checked with my husband and that is one that he has!!! He has several different guns. So apparently you and he are on the same wave-length! He said to tell you he is prepared!

Taxes will have to be raised to cover U.S. debt, regardless as to whether health reform passed or not. Pure and simple. Prices on everything has increased, food, gas, etc. There is no choice but to raise taxes. Something has to be done. We owe China so much money that it is unfathomable to think we will ever get out of debt. What did the states do with their stimulus money? I thought some of it was to go for infrastructure to create jobs? I think this money was mishandled the moment it was received. I know some of the banks paid back the money they got from the government. What did the government do with it? We need accountability on every dang dime that the government spends. It should be published clearly and legibly on the Internet for all to see.
Americans for the most part wanted health care reform but with a public option. Did they get it? No. There were politicians that did not want the public option so in order to get their vote it was taken out. Why didn’t these politcians want the public option? What were they thinking? I am sure we all know the answer to this.
The garbage that is coming out of our government in mindboggling.

Personally Claire, I think they will just default on their debt. Why not? You don’t think they have any morality do you?

You are probably right. They have defaulted on everything else.

Claire, most people do NOT want this healthcare bill, not with or without the public option!
For so many reasons!!!
Government will have complete control of everyones life, freedom, rationed care, you’ll be lucky to see a doctor! There is already a shortage of doctors now and this disaster has yet to begin. Doctors are talking about quitting, and the medical students are changing career plans.
The doctors will be fined for suggesting medical treatments, and they would be paid a flat salary that just isn’t worth the effort to study so hard and dedicate so much time to learning. So doctors will not be motivated to learn, leaving us with low educated doctors. I do not think I would like them to operate on me.
Forget cancer and any other life threatening issues, you will have either no medicine or end of life counciling, euthanized.
How else do you think they can control cost?
They want to cut $480 billion from medicare, that will be drastic cuts to nursing homes and hospice, not to mention expensive management medicine or procedures.
They want to do an age, health ratio to judge whether you get surgeries or certain medicine.
They already are saying we need to cut back on breast,cervical, and colon cancer screenings. They have said not to even bother with doing monthly self breast exams, ofcourse not,they wouldn’t want you to find something!
Do you really believe the govt. cares if anybody has insurance? Health insurance is the excuse to have control of your life, this is the door. They will control what you eat, drink and do. How about Cuba, the ciizens there are not allowed to have or eat sugar. If someone is vacationing there, well, a manager must give customers the sugar, to make sure the waiter doesn’t take any.
They want to take over EVERY aspect of our lives from every direction and this bill is the prime plan to SUCK everyone into their “false” helping.

Dennis–I think I needed your post. I had a gnawing fear that this is what health reform had come to. I tried to find the “good” in health reform, but I believe I was trying to cover up what I did not want to hear.

Claire, ask yourself this – If the new health care plan is so good, why has the government itself opted out? They of course will have the best private health care in the world while you and I sit in emergency rooms and wait 4, 5, 6 hours to have a broken limb mended.
I’ve seen some hospitals in Canada. They look wonderful, new and modern. But the people who work in them are as frustrated as those waiting for care. It’s taking 4 to 6 months to get an MRI. People are dying on waiting lists. It’s a list of travesties just goes on and on…and its all so unnecessary.
All we need to do is put the government on a very short leash(from a very tall tree?;) ) and get them out of the “we’ll run you life” business.

Dennis,

Why can’t people see this? That’s what’s been so frustrating for me since before the election! God created us in his own image. He gives us the “insight” or whatever you want to call it, to discern what’s right & wrong. It would take a visually & hearing impaired, mentally challenged person (how’s that for PC – should be blind, deaf idiot) to have been unable to see & hear what Obama said in his campaign. (Well, he’s STILL campaigning, but prior to his being elected, which I’m not certain if that was on the up & up either with the thugs at ACORN & SEIU & possibly his not being a true citizen). Anyone with even a miniscule amount of intelligence should’ve been able to figure out what he was all about! I TRIED to give him the benefit of the doubt at first, but with all his radical associations, it didn’t take me long to know that my first impression was right on the money!

He TOLD us exactly what he was going to do! What did his “followers” actually think he meant by “fundamentally transforming the United States of America”? I know that this country isn’t perfect, but it’s the best there is or has ever been! Why would you want to transform it? If you LOVE something, you don’t want to change it! His blatant LIES didn’t start until after he took office. Lies about what the so-called “bail outs”, “stimulus”, “tarp”, “health care” were supposed to do. He even had the audacity to actually tell us that “Crap & Tax” was going to cause our electric bills to “skyrocket”! I can barely afford mine now!

Now, all those ignorant “nut jobs” that voted for him have sucked us into the total destruction (or “transformation”) of our great nation. I’m confused! Why would ANYone actually WANT to change our country from Liberty & Capitalism to a country controlled by Socialist, Communist or Marxist rule? This administration is turning our country into a country like others are trying to come HERE to escape! What, in all these radicals’ lives, made them the way they are & to believe the way they believe? They certainly weren’t brought up the way I was. All this administration is about is GREED for MONEY & POWER. All that those who voted for him are about is a FREE RIDE at the expense of the rest of us!

usmadgirl–I sincerely hope you are not implying that I am an ignorant nut job. If you are, then I would have to tell you to take a finger, put it somewhere and rotate. I am easy to get along with, I don’t pick a fight but I won’t back down from one either.
I am simply trying to find some good somewhere in this crazy government. Unfortunately there is none to be found.

Claire

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Second, if you did vote for Obama, then yes, you are ignorant, you did not do your research on the things “he” said that he was going to do & how radical he was.
Third, if you think that raising taxes is going to help us get out of this mess, then you probably are a “nut job”. The only thing that is going to stop the financial “mud slide” that we are in & to get out of our debt with China is to stop the spending spree this government is on. &;
Forth; No, most people don’t want a public option. Most people want the government out of their lives. If you let the government in to tell you what kind of health care you are going to receive, what’s next, are you going to let the government tell you what kind of food you are going to eat, how you raise your kids, what movies you can see, where you can go on vacation, or, to go back to my first point, what you can do in your own bedroom.
So, how about this, from now on, when a general statement is made & your name is not mentioned, lets try to stay away from the personal attacks.

Claire,

There was no “reply” after your disgusting & hateful reply to my reply to Dennis so I had to use the reply on this comment from you. I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about or why you even THOUGHT I was addressing you or any comment you had made. That was not very nice! I haven’t replied to you & haven’t said anything about you period. I’m not a mean person & unless I’m personally attacked, I try not to be mean or hateful to anyone else.

I too am trying to make sense of all the radical crap that’s going on & I had thought about responding to you on one of your comments to give you some information that might help, but after this, you’re on your own, because your comment was totally malicious & unprovoked! We disagree on here a lot & there are a lot of hateful liberals that just get on the site to cause trouble, but most of us can share information in a rational, civil manner or just vent our concerns. If I touched on something that caused you to THINK that my comment was directed toward YOU, I assure you it was NOT! I don’t appreciated being accused of something that I’m not guilty of!

Claire voted for Obama. That was why she took your “nut job” comment personally. We do need to be gentle with the voters who were just taken in by his smooth talking lies. I have had two dealings with chronic liars in my life so I am very attuned to their methodology and apparently you are too, but we are probably more the exception than the rule.

usmadgirl–DaveH is right. I admitted it on a post about a month ago. I did vote for Obama and have regretted it ever since. I had no right to say what I did. Even though your post was to Dennis I did think the post was aimed at me. It was a terrible thing to say. It was beneath me and my upbringing. No excuses for this behavior. I apologize.

Tinwarble,
I think I just heard Claire apologize and I think it would be good to hear you do so. Or is she a better woman than you?

Claire,

I had to “reply” to my own comment because yours didn’t have a reply “thingy”. I sincerely accept your apology & appreciate it very much. From all your other comments, I didn’t think you were a mean person. Lord knows, I say things in a heat of the moment especially in the last year! I work mainly from home & spend my entire day screaming at the TV while watching Fox News when I’m working.

I had no idea that you voted for O-bum-a until DaveH told me so I wasn’t directing anything toward you, but I apologize if my comments offended you. I’m sorry you’re having to deal with the disappointment of your decision, but so many others are in the same boat. I wasn’t thrilled about having to vote for McCain, but I mainly voted for him because of Sarah Palin. I just felt that McCain was the “lesser of two weasels”. He was at least conservative on several issues that concerned me. Obama’s radical associations & comments were the reasons I couldn’t consider him. Don’t beat yourself up too much since you didn’t have much to choose from.

I did a lot of research before I made my decision but my first choice for the Republican candidate was Duncan Hunter. He wasn’t given enough coverage to be considered; so I didn’t get what I wanted either! If it weren’t for Fox News & especially Glenn Beck, Liberty Alert, OneNewsNow, Michelle Malkin, Thomas Sewell & a few others, I’d be as uninformed as a box of air!

Yes, she probably is a better woman than me, since I would have to lose a couple of parts off my body to be a woman. However, I do not feel the need to apologize since she personally attacked someone I know much better than anyone else here (if you know what I mean, wink, wink). I don’t feel that saying someone is ignorant to facts is not saying something bad about them, since anyone who would vote for Obama Been-Lie’n with what he had said & the agenda that he has would either have to be ignorant of the facts, a socialist or just a Lefty-left-left liberal. I will say that I’m sorry if I implied that she might be a “nut job”, because I’m sure that she is probably well intentioned & probably has a good heart.

usmadgirl–I am embarrassed. Embarrassed for being so nasty, and embarrassed that I stooped that low. Like someone that came out of the gutter. I have no excuses. I should practice what I preach. I appreciate the fact that you have accepted my apology, and yes, I have to deal with the bitter disapointment of voting for Obama. I guess I was taken in hook line and sinker and I should have known better. There is a reason why I chose to be on this site. There is a reason I chose not to be on the Huff Post site.

Tinwarble—there is no need for you to apologize. You were standing up for your friend and I respect that. And to think I go on about all people uniting for the good of America and then I turn around and act like an idiot. I am the one that should apologize to all of you on this site and I do apologize.

DaveH–thank you for the explanation to usmadgirl.

Joe H–Thank you for your post, even though I was in the wrong, I appreciate your confidence in me.

Claire,

There was no “reply thingy” again so once again, I had to go back to my own post. You are a class act! I’m truly sorry that I put all those who voted for Obama into one category. You don’t know a person’s heart unless you walk in their shoes. I know that a lot of people were “sucked in” by his “smooth attitude”, just like they were Clinton. I have been trusting ALL my life (like my dad was), but have a real “insight” about people (like my mom did). I trusted everything everybody said to be the God’s honest truth, because when I told somebody something it was the exact truth down to every small detail (that’s why my posts are so long & boring)!

I was a “people person” & never met a stranger. My deceased husband was a county deputy, then a county investigator for about 9 years & told me constantly that somebody was going to take me off & kill me if I didn’t quit trusting everybody that spoke to me. I’ve been lied to & screwed over so many times by even long time friends, but while I still give people the benefit of the doubt, it doesn’t take me long to see right through them! I guess I think everybody should be able to & I shouldn’t be that shallow. Lord knows, I certainly don’t want everybody to be like ME!

While I’m writing a “thesis”, I wanted to tell you yesterday, before our “posters’ misunderstanding”, how much I admire you for helping the blind lady & for paying $50 on her groceries. That was so sweet of you! My older son’s best friend has been TOTALLY blind (can’t even see light, only total darkness) since he was 12. He is the most incredible person I know! He doesn’t have a dog, but is the most independent person I’ve ever seen. Since he had sight for 12 years of his life, he’d ask us to describe what he was “looking at”. He’d go to movies & tell you about the movie he’d “seen”! Before my husband died, we lived on the lake & had a boat & a “Seadoo”. My son let him drive them while he directed him & he was so excited & felt so independent. When they’d start to leave to go somewhere, he’d tell my son, “I’ll drive”! He had the best attitude & sense of humor. He & my son wrote music together, were a duet & the winners of Southeastern district of the “Road to Nashville” music competition over about 2000 entries singing their original songs. Both are still in the music business. The blind one has sung at the Kennedy Center & has a music degree. That’s why I was so touched by your compassion for the blind lady! I wanted to tell you a bunch more stuff, but I’ve got to get busy & I don’t want to irritate the guys on this board with “girly stuff”!

In order to keep this post on the topic – government health care: BAD, with ANY kind of options they have to offer! We don’t want or need “government” ANYTHING except protection for our country!

usmadgirl–All I can say is Bless your Heart! I have been upset with myself all day. Thank you for your post. It is good to hear about the nice episodes in life.
Oh yes, I have always been too trusting myself. But this past year has made a big difference in my life. World events have made me “open my eyes” and realize that things are not always what they seem, and that life can be a real bear at times. Right now I feel like the biggest sucker there ever was.
Regarding health reform, I have already come to the conclusion that it is not good. It should be tossed out, and this may very well happen.
Again, thanks.

Clair,

I, too, have been rudely awakened. Even though I didn’t vote for Obama & thought he was an arrogant narcissist, I never, in my wildest nightmares dreamed he would TRULY attempt to transform this country into the USSA, but he’s rapidly on his way to doing just that. I’ve always trusted my government. I knew it wasn’t perfect, but it was the best there was in the world! Otherwise, why would everybody else want to escape their countries & even risk their lives to come here? At least, I’ve never been terrified of my government…until now!

Sometimes, I just want to turn off the TV & pretend this awful stuff isn’t happening, but if I just miss one day, this administration has done some other shady, unconstitutional, radical crap behind closed doors or in the middle of the night on the weekend – things that we obviously have no control over any longer. Writing my representatives is like beating a dead horse. Not because they don’t listen or reply, but because they’re all REAL conservative Republicans & they vote for all my conservative views. I’ve written them anyway & I always get a reply to tell me that they agree with my view & will vote accordingly. I’ve even written to Democrats begging them to vote with their conscience instead of their party, but they obviously don’t have a conscience because they all got “bribed” into voting for the health care hoax – one was Ben Nelson in Nebraska!

I certainly hope you’re right about the so-called health care hoax. I was more optimistic until all the bribes were accepted by the Dems who were originally against it!

usmadgirl—I am scared of the government too. As I said earlier in one of my posts, too much has happened this past year that I found scary and did not want to believe. I, like you, have tried to find the good in everybody. It is disappointing when you realize a person is not the upstanding person you thought them to be. As you already know, too many Senators received pork for their votes and this is another reason why Health Care Reform went down the tubes. They should forget about it entirely. It will never work because it will not be done correctly, ethically, or morally.
The Democratic governor of Illinois had over 1700 prisoners released. Well, guess what, a bunch of them are starting their path of crime all over again! DUH! According to this morning’s paper, murders tripled here in town this past year. I guess I will not be able to go out after dark anymore. One of my friends has a convertible and this past summer she was stopped at a light, and a guy reached in her car and stole her purse! It was laying on the passenger seat and the guy just reached in and grabbed it and took off! This is no longer the age of innocence! But, it hasn’t been for a long time! Egad, I can remember in the late’50s we left our car keys in the ignition! At least we never had to look for them!!
Hopefully, this new year will be better for all, but I have my doubts. These doubts are getting bigger and bigger. Have a good day.

It has been a proven fact that lower taxes has improved the economy and the deficit, also increasing the free market! The liberals just don’t like it that way, they just can’t rationalize how that works.
Just last week the great obuma had passed unlimited funds to Freddie and Fannie to the sum of $500 billion, that is the same companies that helped take down the ecomony. That is also where the CLOWN worked, that is telling Obuma that this healthcare bill is economical, affordable and debt nuetral and all those lies!
He must be a genius.
By extendeding F & F unlimited funds like that, the government is guaranteeing those loans, should those loans be defaulted on, AGAIN, the taxpayers will cover the cost! Liberal’s economy budgets are FRIGHTNING!

Keep this in mind, part of a quote from
Pres. Thomas Jefferson,
When a government is so big it can give you everything,
then a government is so big it can take everything away.

I mean FRIGHTENING

Myth Buster. Revenue Neutral? Really? Are you so ignorant as to believe a 2000+ page Healthcare Bill is going to be revenue neutral? You think all those regulations and increased government are going to be free? No wonder you follow Obama.

DaveH,

That’s the scary part they really think that they know what they’re talking about and that they’re educated.

They are nothing more than brainwashed and they clearly are NOT capable of thinking for themselves. Their accusations are always baseless and they can NOT provide any substantive argument.

Hey DaveH I’ll bet he believes in the tooth fairy and Santa Clause too!!!

People are asking about kool-aid. Glen said his favorite drink is hard liquor and bongs. About twice a year he talks about his years of consuming this until his doctor told him if he continues his ways, he will die. Rush doesn’t talk about what he drinks, but he says he loves those Whoppers. I wish him the best with those chess pains. Whoppers do have a lot of fat in them.

This coming from one of those Compassionate Liberals. What a joke.

DaveH,
Compassionate Liberals???? What kind of animal is that? It doesn’t exist!!!!! Goof balls, all!!!

JanO,

You are exactly right. Until I started watching Fox News 7 years ago, I didn’t have a clue what was going on in the world. FOX NEVER reports anything without the facts to back up what they’re reporting. Since Glenn Beck joined Fox, I’ve learned more about our country & our government than I ever learned in my entire life BG (before Glenn)! He too, NEVER reports anything without FACTS & most of those facts are on video showing the facts straight from the HORSES A$$#$ OWN MOUTHS!

Without Glenn, we wouldn’t have had a clue about ACORN, SEIU or all of the “so-called” president’s czars & their radical, Castro, Mao & Chavez-loving agenda!

I just don’t understand why FOX thinks they have to be so “fair & balanced” when ALL the other news networks are so incredibly biased with the left wing liberal, progressive loons & their “messiah”!

About Glenn’s phone, the White House can’t call to respond because everything he says about them is true!

Good points JanO,

Fox News does back up what they say. There’s no disputing the facts.
I haven’t watched any of the so-called mainstream media since the elections began last year. Their coverage of the elections was too obvious and a major disservice to their audience.
I don’t need to watch the weather report for 10 minutes every half-hour, police chases and biased reporting, they can have it.

JanO,
Don’t forget snopes. It’s the brainchild of a husband and wife team of libberals!!!!

Joe H,

Thanks for enlightening me to “snopes”. I swear, I thought what they posted was “gospel”. I check things I receive before I e-mail them to friends & family to keep from having to write back & tell them it was a hoax! I had no idea that they were part of the liberal liars! I’m certainly not gullible, but to think that I’m that trusting & people actually report the truth, makes me mad at myself! I KNOW the MessiahStreamMedia lies, omits stuff & is in bed with their “savior”, but I thought Snopes was the place we could get undistorted facts!

kevin,
Better yet, let them do those jobs that Americans won’t do that we keep hearing about with the Mexican illegals!!! Or just think how clean our highways would be if everyone able to work that collected food stamps for more than 4 months had to get out and pick up litter on our freeways and streets!!! They do it here in Eastlake Ohio with all the juvenile offenders. They have to pull community service which includes picking up trash alongside the streets that parallel the highway!!! Looks dam good when they’re done, too!!!

At least your town has common sense. The same thing should be applied in all towns and cities. Make the little brats work. I wish they make the juvies do it here.

When Obama took office, the National Debt was 10.6 Trillion dollars. It is now 12.1 Trillion dollars.
During Bush’s second term the National Debt increased 3 Trillion dollars (about .75 Trillion a year), but keep in mind that in the last 2 years of his term Democrats controlled Congress.

cr747,
I noticed that eyes disappeared so it would be time for denniso to come up with a new alter ego!!!!

JC
My Father always said hope for the best and expect the worst. Then when the worst happens you’re not disappointed!!

JC,
I, like you would rather be the determining factor in my life over the government ANYTIME!!!!!!

Right on Joe. I just don’t get it…where do all these lazy bastards come from and how is it they are not suffering for their laziness?
Oh yeah! Career welfare…

JC & JoeH,

I agree with you guys. That is typical of obama’s voter base. They’re ignorant and lazy.

We need too band together and get these communists out of office. obama’s followers need to get educated and get jobs.

It’s more evident every day that we are going to fight for our country– our principles & freedoms are worth fighting for. All the “leaders” need to become aware that there is a large percentage of citizens that are not planning to “go with the flow”. The whole structure of our country has been undermined under our noses. If our lives are worth anything to us, we are will be forced to make hard decisions now. The medical program is a “scam” that will take away many freedoms we have enjoyed. How can anyone vote on a “bill” that isn’t even written or offered for review to those who are supposed to be our representives? What travisty!!!

Voted for it with the help of his cronies in ACORN.

victor,
YOU may have voted for him, but I sure as hell did not!!! There’s no we on my side unless you have a mouse in your pocket or you are pregnant!!!

I don’t know that “we” voted for it. Obama did not win by a landslide and one third of the US didn’t turn out to vote. Either they are apapthetic or they have lost faith in the system. So approximately one third plus a small percentage voted for Obama. The other two thirds seem to be buying guns and ammunition in record amounts. You do the math.

Victor,

AGAIN I did NOT vote for that traitor!

Don’t include me with the fools that did vote for him.

Victor,

I didn’t vote for this idiot. I don’t know anyone who did! The idiotic 51% (including Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck & all the dead & criminals) who actually voted for him (the guilt ridden because he was HALF black & felt they owed his black-half part something or the poor souls who actually THINK that they’re actually gonna get something for nothing from the Democrats that have enslaved them for years) are to blame for the downfall of our country! NOT ME!

Don,
And a whole lot MORE wouldn’t like it if it did!!!!!

It doesn’t matter if it contains a public option or not. It is UnConstitutional and they know it. The Federal Government does not have the power to take over our Health Care System.
Does anybody think these crooks aren’t planning to bring the Health Care Insurance industry to its knees so the politicians can then say we need the public option after all?

Sure it does…for Congress and the Senate. They’re special ya know!

Victor,
Have you left yet?? Remember if I’m not there start without me!!! quick jump and SNAP!!!!

This article is as bad as Victor’s Mason theories. Unemployment is higher, but other factors have done better during the last 11 months since Obama has been president. Zack’s research company has shown that new housing is up, capacity utilization is up, S&P is up, mortagae rates are down, and the Aaa and the Baa ratings are up. Companies on most levels are paying back their bonds.

Housing Sales have been up because buyers have been rushing to beat the deadline for the first-time buyer tax credit that was set to expire on November 30.
The Standard and Poor’s index is up about 20% from a year ago. But a year ago the stock market was tanking in response to Obama’s election and Democratic control of Congress. In addition the Dollar is worth about 10% to 30% less depending on which country’s currency you compare it with. Of course the Stock Market would be up because there are more dollars chasing those stocks due to the Government stimulus and other increased spending.
It’s just a matter of time before the Democrat-caused inflation hits the consumer goods. The only thing that has held it down is the weak economy. But eventually the increased money supply is going to result in inflation whether the economy improves or not (stagflation).
We have a long way to go before the jury can deliberate.

Yep..you are right..inflatation is coming! That`s why I have been stock piling toilet paper. They say trucks will not be able to afford gas to transport goods. Sooo

DaveH,
Let’s not forget that oil is now at the highest its been in a long time and gas here has gone from around 2.39 a gallon to 2.65 a gallon. Not a big increase at first glance, until you look at the fact that it is about 90 cents higher than a year ago!!!

I forgot, that’s Bushes fault!!! Yeah wright!!!

Joe H–WalkieTalkies sound like the solution. I think I’ll have my husband check out the ham radios/and get licensed.
The Illinois governor and the Director of Corrections have released over 1700 prisoners. Guess what!!! A number of them are violent criminals so now there is a big stink going on. The violent ones were released in error. They will never locate the violent ones. I started to say I could not believe the stupidity here in this state but yeah, I believe it. What next? Nothing surprises me anymore.

Sure unemployment is higher. But everything else that is “up” is because of artificial stimulus money. Fake money. And its going to crash hard. Prepare!

I have been “stocking up” for quite some time. Bottled water, you name it. And my husband has stocked up on his supplies!! I hope I am wrong but I have a gut feeling the next time terrorism strikes, it will be devastating, and it may very well happen in different cities at the same time. I am to the point that when I am out in public I keep my eyes open. If I see anything weird I will certainly call the police. If there is no time to call the police then I will do what I have to do.

Don’t forghet your negotiables: Gold, Silver, Jewelry, (lead) just so you’re prepared for the the crash of paper currency if or when it happens. If you’re in a city, try and have a plan to get you and your family out quick! Cities will probably be filled with roving gangs of Liberals who, as always, want to take what you have.

As crazy and frightening as it sounds, if anything comes up, my husband and I already have plans. My husband has made sure of it. And we will take our valuables. We are ready for anything should it happen. I have my parents’ farmground, untilled, plenty of woods, and the old farmhouse and it is off the beaten path and far away from any cities. It is an hour’s drive from my house here in town. All we have to do is call our kids, and the rest of the family and we will take off. The family is also prepared. I have crates for the dogs in my big van. I can’t and will not leave my dogs. We keep our vehicles’ gas tanks full at all times. I sometimes feel like I am paranoid, but I have already stockpiled canned goods, nonperishable items, and bottled water in the farmhouse. My husband has made sure he has plenty of his supplies here at home, you know what kind of supplies I mean. We have to keep his supplies here, and load them quickly into our vehicles. I have a neighbor in the country that keeps an eye on the farmhouse. So far, so good.

Claire,
There’s an old saying “just because you’re paranoid it don’t mean they’re not out to get you!!!” I think it applies here! I am stocking up also and won’t stop until things improve greatly!!!

Way to go Claire. Just make sure you don’t advertise it around where you live. People will be banging on your door. Even worse, they will be doing harm to people who is smart enough to prepare. You said your husband has prepared, so, that sounds good.

My guys have prepared also with a lot of necessary supplies like your husband has done. Glad to here it!!!!!!!!!!!

cr747—I have had this farmground for many many years. I doubt if many people remember that it belongs to me, of course my neighbor does, and since he feels the same way we do, he is stockpiling also.
In fact, most people in that area feel the same way. Take care.

Claire, sounds good. Now one more thing…what if the cell phones don’t work? Have you got a contingency for meeting up somewhere?
For safety sake, plan for no communications on a day when you’re family is seperated.

That is something we have to work on for sure. We take the dogs running down there in better weather and have tried using the cell phones. They really cut out, so I don’t know what we can do about it. Any ideas?

Claire,
try walkie talkies. They have some really good ones that have a 35 mile range now for about 100.00!!! Not good for long distance but good for local talk. You could get a ham outfit and get licensed if you want!

POW, where you a POW? If so where at? Where you ever listed as MIA?
The reason I’m asking, I fly a POW-MIA flag 24-7 365 days a year. I still have friends MIA in Vietnam. It’s so SAD for the families of these men that have never been found, or heard from.

JanO–I have heard this too. I am not for name-calling but I am sick of these so-called Presidents (a$$es) that waltz into office and right away they want to kill Social Security. These politicians have plenty of money, they don’t have to worry about their future like some people do. Egad, what a farce. My husband and I are fine, but I know many people that simply will not be able to live without Social Security. They have had many health issues and did not have proper hospitalization and now they are really bad off. Some of our senior church members are really having a rough time. I do believe Social Security is/was a good thing to have. But the government could not keep their hands off the money that belonged to Social Security. They have double-dipped into it so many times and used it for their own agendas. All I can say is–save as much as you can while you are young.

Whoops! I meant “proper insurance” aka “good insurance” not “proper hospitalization.” A person really has to really be careful with insurance companies.

Why can`t he cut welfare by 30%? They have never paid into the system like the SS people. And require a drug test for welfare while they are at it.

I do agree with you on the welfare agenda. There are people that keep pumping out babies so they can keep getting the welfare checks. This sounds crude but I call it like it is. The welfare system is in dire need of a huge overhaul. It has been out of hand for so many years. But no one wants to clean it up.
Only the legally poor should receive welfare. But again, how in the name of all that is sane, can this system be cleaned up?

BOE,
He wouldn’t propose cutting Welfare because they predominately vote for Democrats:
http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=114

Those government creeps have stolen over $170,000 on my behalf over a 40-year period. If invested by myself instead at a simple passbook rate, it would have been worth well over $300,000 by now. And I am now wondering if I will ever see a penny of it.

The annointed one won’t hurt his voter base. And don’t forget, the goal is to break middle America and get rid of those who no longer pay taxes.

Your wrong Richard, we have been blessed by what we REAP!!! As written, “you will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out” Looks like we still have to go out cursed yet, doesn’t it?

Richard, you are absolutely correct.

A very astute observation. Sadly. its all too true.

Name me a country that is not printing money?

Good Grief, the money you print is supposed to be backed up by assets. What the treasury is printing is just plain paper with no value.

I think it was Ludwig VonMises who said: “Government is the only institution that can take a useful commodity like paper, slap ink on it and make it totally worthless.”
When we understand the the ability to print money and throw the debt onto future generations is the single most irresponsible and damaging aspect of American (or any other) society, then we may understand that money has to be backed by commodity. Not slave labor.

Don,

Name me a country that is currently printing money like the US?

Zimbabwe!

What about a Constitutional Republic? Its never really been tried…

JC

The republic of the USA is a “contstitutional democracy” or a “liberal democracy”. The last century proves that it works really well. Not perfectly but the best that the world has ever seen.

Normal Guy,

Then why are the libs trying too change it?

If a mountain climber succeeded in reaching the top with a bag of rocks in his pack, Normal Liberal would think the rocks aided the climber.

DaveH – Treasonous, separatist, anti American…Moron

You would just look at the mountain and tell everyone that there is no need to climb, just wish for the peak to come to you and like magic it will all work. Reality is that change is driven by effort, the transition of anything requires a firm grasp of reality, and a willingness to work together to find solutions. In the real world it requires investment of time and resources and compromise (check out the historical record regarding the drafting of the US Constitution and the addition of the bill of rights). Patriots fight to preserve their country, not break it apart, you are not a patriot, you are a separatist and you disgust me.

Your Libertarian fantasy is weak minded and based on a world economic model that does not exist now and has never existed in the past. Do some research on coercion and the flaws of your simple minded theories?

Libertarian experiments that have failed:

1.Chile – complete disaster followed by rejection of Libertarian concepts and prosperity.

2.New Zealand – complete disaster followed by rejection of the Libertarian concept and prosperity.

3.Iceland – complete disaster and national bankruptcy

4.The Fed under Greenspan (Ayn Rand advocate) – huge bubbles followed by the near total collapse of the global financial system based on his self regulating philosophy. “there’s nothing involved in federal regulation which makes it superior to market regulation” “there appears to be no need for Government regulation of off exchanged derivative transactions” “bank loan officers in my experience know far more about the risks and workings of their counterparties than do Bank regulators”

Constitutional “Democracy”?…Liberal “Democracy”?
Those are oxymorons. The nation was founded as a “Republic”.
And anyone advocating else wise is in fact a (Obamunista) traitor to American values. Being a Patriot and not a Socialist…I’ll be locked and loaded on the same side of the fence as Dave H. Hope to see you there Normal Guy!

JC

Another right wing zealot, another moron.

Your belief that we do not live in a democracy is a common error on these right wing sites. Of course the United States is a Republic. The word republic derives from the Latin res publica; res means “thing” or “affair,” and publica means “public,” as opposed to “private.” The word thus denotes government in which politics is a public affair and not the personal prerogative of a single ruler (the founding fathers were strongly opposed to monarchs). There have been aristocratic republics and oligarchic republics, but, as applied to the United States government, this term usually means a democratic republic, one in which elected representatives carry out the functions of government. The USA functions as “Constitutional Democracy” or a “Liberal Democracy”. In the United States, Founding Fathers like James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy as opposed to only having direct democracy.

Liberal democracy (or constitutional democracy) is the dominant form of democracy in the 21st century. During the Cold War, liberal democracies were contrasted with the Communist People’s Republics or “Popular Democracies”, which claimed an alternative conception of democracy. Today, constitutional democracies are mostly contrasted with direct democracy and/or participatory democracy. Liberal democracies may take various constitutional forms: they may be republics, as the United States or India or France, or constitutional monarchy, as the United Kingdom or Spain. It may have a presidential system (United States), a parliamentary system (Westminster system, UK and Commonwealth countries), or a hybrid, semi-presidential system (France).

The founding fathers understood that the rights of the non-majority after an election needed to be preserved that the elected government could not be given supreme power as the swings in the electorates desires shifted. They understood that the foundation of the nation required an anchor. This is why the constitution was written. This is why the Supreme Court has so much power and why it is such a brilliant idea. They are the guardians of the rule of law. They assure that constitutional rights must be upheld. The United States has been a tremendous success the founding fathers understood that a pure democracy could still lead to tyranny, a constitutional democracy protects its citizens rights even if they are not in the majority.

Hamilton wrote that through the practice of judicial review the Court ensured that the will of the whole people, as expressed in their Constitution, would be supreme over the will of a legislature, whose statutes might express only the temporary will of part of the people. And Madison had written that constitutional interpretation must be left to the reasoned judgment of independent judges, rather than to the tumult and conflict of the political process. If every constitutional question were to be decided by public political bargaining, Madison argued, the Constitution would be reduced to a battleground of competing factions, political passion and partisan spirit.

There goes Normal Liberal with his usual lies about Chile and New Zealand and now he adds Iceland. Folks, look them up on Wikipedia. I guess Normal Liberal figures if he lies often enough it stick. Here is a link to see how their economic freedom compares to other countries:
http://www.heritage.org/index/

Normal Liberal has to launch personal attacks because the best he can do is make up unsupported facts. This is the typical Liberal, Folks.

By the way, If anybody thinks those are Normal Liberals words in his previous comment, just go to this website. Nice cut and paste Typical Liberal:
http://www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=4715

Normal Guy–I need to ask some questions. And I am not trying to be sarcastic, and I understand if you do not want to answer these questions. They could be considered personal and therefore none of my business. I am trying to analyze the reasons people vote the way they do and why. When Obama ran for office, what qualities did you see in this man? Exactly what was it that made you want to vote for him? Was it because you are a Democrat and would have voted for any Democrat or was it because of how you felt and thought about Obama? If it was a Democrat you did not like would you have voted for him/her anyway? And since you obviously voted for him are you truly pleased with the results so far? Do you really believe he is doing a good job? Do you believe Congress is doing a good job?
Have you ever considered voting for a person regardless of party affiliation?
If you tell me it is none of my business, I understand, I am just curious.

Clair

The qualities that I see in Obama are intelligence, and the ability to defeat the Republican Neo-Cons who since Reagan’s Presidency have been damaging the structure of this nation. National debt has risen from one trillion to almost eleven trillion under republicans from Reagan forward; there have been irresponsible fiscal policies that have created destructive bubbles because of overheated markets and an insufficient tax base. The USA is on a war footing that has provided little security, huge expenses and has put the reputation of this country in the international toilet while creating new terrorists who hate us.

I am sorry that Obama has had to spend most of this year trying to clean up the economic, diplomatic and military messes that he inherited from W and Cheney. The global collapse that we averted over the last year will be expensive and will take a long time to fully resolve. I hope that regulations are developed to prevent this kind of thing happening in the future. Derivatives and credit default swaps, subprime mortgages, over leveraged positions with banks being allowed to leverage debt 30 to one, all these things need to be dealt with. I think Obama has accomplished a great deal considering the substantial obstacles that he has faced from the republicans and the lobby groups.

I also strongly agree with the healthcare initiative, I would like to see a public option and hope that Obama can push for this before it ultimately passes. I am very familiar with public health in Canada and believe that this is a public good that makes a nation greater just like roads, power and schools.

I do find the lobby groups interfere with congress – and the politics of getting re-elected are frustrating. I would vote for anyone who has a position I agree with. It has nothing to do with parties.

Normal Guy:

I read your post. Thank you for answering some of my questions. It was not my intention to put you on the spot or cause any havoc on this site. I will tell you why I voted for him, and the reasons I am disillusioned with him now.
(1) I have been a registered Republican for over 30 years, but have always tried to vote for the “person.” I voted for Obama because I, too, thought at the time he was intelligent, he promised all of us the same insurance care that he, and the members of congress had. This has not happened. In fact, health reform has been picked apart, changed so many times and all for the votes of dissenting congressional members. This is not right. In fact, he left it up to Reid and Pelosi to figure out. As far as I can tell, his input on health reform was little to nothing. I tried to find the good in this, however I do not consider the passage of this bill to be of any use whatsoever. It should be totally redone and done right, if it is going to be done at all.
(2) He also stated during his campaign that the lobbyists would have to “go.” I thought this was great! No more lobbyists! Now things will get done correctly, fairly, and properly! Again, this has not happened. He has caved in to them.
(3) After he was elected, he chose Eric Holder, Rahm Emmauel, and Timothy Geitner. These people are not sincere and talented people. For one, you don’t pick people that are/were involved with Wall Street. We all know these men and their backgrounds, and as far as I am concerned, they leave a lot to be desired. I had hoped he would have made better choices.
(4) He chose other Republicans for his cabinet, and I believe he thought this would “help” him to acquire votes for his agenda. This has backfired. Instead, he is in a quandary. He should have known this would not work. It never does.
(5) He also tried to install people from various cultural backgrounds, and this is fine, I do not have a problem with this, but again to seek votes for his agenda. Some will come to his rescue, others will not.
(6) In various situations, I felt he has been weak, and has not stepped up to the plate. I realize it is tough to work with Congress and all that, but he should have been more forceful if he wanted to come across as being confident and knowledgeable.
(7) He won the Nobel Peace Prize–that is great for a President of the United States. He stated that the million dollars went to charity. Fine, that is wonderful, but what charity? I would like to know this.
(8) And I was not happy with the fact that he was flitting around to various countries, spreading his good will while Congress was fighting to get something accompished. Another disaster. He should have stayed home and worked at America’s problems. If these trips were necessary,fine, but they could have been postponed. There were more important matters at home to be taken care of.
(9) The bailing out of the banks should have had stipulations. Instead, the money was given carelessly. The credit card fiasco is exactly that–a fiasco. I have two credit cards, and the interest rates have shot up. Therefore, I will do away with them. My family and friends have also had the interest rates horribly increased on their credit cards. And they pay their bills on time the same as I do. Another situation that is in favor for the credit card companies.
(10) During his campaign, he also said he would bring the troops home in 17-18 months. This has not happened, and he should never have promised this. I realize some of the Republicans wanted to send more troops, and he did just that. This has been a tough call, but still a person should not make promises they cannot keep. I fell for this hook line and sinker.
I cannot write a book here. These are a few of the problems that I have with the way I have voted. I really believed for the first time in many years that things would be better, everything would fall into place and work out just fine. I thought America would be put on its feet again and become the wonderful reputable country it has always been. I thought the war would be done away with, and we would tend to matters at home and take care of America first and foremost. I thought America would again become strong, not become more weakened by the greed and corruption of the politicians. I am proud of America and I love America with all my heart. We are the best of all worlds. It truly bothers me that I have probably done an injustice by voting the way I did and I will never again vote for someone that is not worthy of America. I will certainly do better research the next time around.

That’s right, more name calling from a brain washed communist loyalist. You sir have your head so far up your own liberal a** you will never see the light of day let alone make one bit of sense.
You accuse people of wanting to break up a great nation? What great nation? Are you referring to this socialist shell of what once was a great nation? People like Dave H, myself and the majority of principled, ethical people want to “restore” not destroy the nation.
And right now as far as I’m concerned. America’s greatest enemies are you frothing at the mouth rabid commies. And the only good commie is a….

Claire

I appreciate your position and understand how things can be disillusioning. I respect that you voted based on the hopes and issues that matter to you and not on party lines. I would say that perhaps your expectations were somewhat unrealistic. It takes longer than a year to implement many of the changes to health care, to end the wars, to repair an economy that was close to a global meltdown and try to reenergize the economy that had been in an accelerating decline for a year and a half before Obama came to office.

You seem to be in conflict in that you want him to drive through legislation but you also want him to reach across the aisle. I agree that trying to find consensus is a challenge and as you state it can backfire, but I think it is worth attempting, however, as you say, some will come to his rescue, others will not – you are right, it is time to be more forceful – we will see. In regard to global travel, I think that a great deal can be accomplished reaching out to the world, toning down the rhetoric and looking for common interests can solve a lot of our problems, so we can disagree on how worthwhile this is.

I would like to see the wars ended; unfortunately the entanglements that we are engaged in are complex. He needs to listen to his people on the ground, but the sooner this ends the better. I agree that the situation with lobbyists is completely unacceptable, I would like to see a solution to this, but it is a serious structural change in how politics are conducted in this country, it won’t change overnight.

I must say that Healthcare should have a public option, those in opposition have done everything they can to gut the bill. The political reality is if you can build only the framework for good public healthcare now and then can complete the job later it is not ideal but it will get us part way down the road.

You seem like a sincere person, keep voting based on your concerns and issues in mind and I think, like you, that America will find the strength and greatness that we all deserve again.

WOW, WHAT HAS GOTTEN INTO NORMAL GUY? HE IS SO IRATE, AND DESPICABLE THAT I CAN’T BELIEVE ALL THIS MUMBO-JUMBO. Boy, I sure have missed out on a lot since the twenty third day of December. Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!

What are you going to do if Obama stops the 2010 election with the cover of the recent G.W. Bush’s “Domestic Terrorist Act?” What can you do, really?

You could start by acting and talking like an American, and see where it goes.

The Union would split apart if that happened and Obama couldn’t do a thing about it. Well, maybe he could throw his teleprompter at somebody.
I would love it if the conservative states seceded and left the Liberal states to impoverish themselves.

DaveH

So you want to destroy this great nation, break it apart, you are clearly an idiot, and a traitor. Why don’t you go and push your ridiculous Libertarian garbage in some banana republic.

Americans, real Americans, work to improve and participate in the greatest union. the greatest nation on the planet. Any citizen that wants to break this country into a state of anarchy is below contempt and dangerously stupid.

You are not anything but vile. Get out of this great nation and spew your right wing extremist idiocy to some dictatorship.

You wouldn’t know any “Real” Americans Normal Liberal. The Real Americans are sick of what you and your Liberal buddies have done to this once Free country. You wouldn’t know how to function without stealing other peoples’ money behind the facade of a voting booth.

DaveH

I know a traitor when I see one. Only a gutless loser would propose the destruction of this nation. You are below contempt, a seditious anti-American who thinks he is bigger than this country. America IS a great nation has been since it was founded, your simplistic view of the solution to a perceived – mostly paranoid delusional – problem is laughable. You are a weak minded moron, proposing anarchy – and you sir should be ashamed of yourself.

The USA will continue to be the guiding light of freedom in this world; it will change but continue to provide tremendous opportunities for all American citizens. I believe in the pledge of allegiance – one nation indivisible – treason is not acceptable, go away.

DaveH—Surely you or anyone else on this site does not want any of the states to secede. I have been to almost every state in America showing my dogs. I have traveled all over in my big (now 15 years old and still going) Chevy van. I have met so many wonderful people in every state. I have seen a lot of beauty in every state. Dear God, there has got to be a better way. We as American must unite somehow. We cannot go on like this. It would break my heart to see any of the states secede. America is so great and beautiful in so many ways. I just cannot imagine this happening. I have always felt grateful to be in this country and I know all of you on this site feel the same way. We have to love thy neighbor. We must get along and unite for the sake of America. I believe everyone on this site is a good, decent human being—I have said this before and I will say it again. We need to iron out the differences. After all, we all want our country back. We all want to restore the rights for freedom.

Notice Folks all the name-calling and vile ridicule that spews from Normal Liberal’s mouth when somebody takes a stand he doesn’t like.

The fact is that the Federal Government is breaking the rules of the Union (The Constitution) which they swore to uphold. The Federal Government is exercising powers not given to them in the Constitution and many of them are lawyers so they can’t plead ignorance.

Would you engage in any contracts where some of the participants were making up their own rules in their favor?

Notice also that Normal Liberal professes intelligence, yet he supports a political party that is embraced mostly by the lowest wage earners. I guess they are making those lower wages because their intelligence precludes them from wanting higher wages:
http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=114

Legal secession would very likely lead to another civil war just as it did in the 1860′s. While this is not a “pretty” option, I have to wonder just how we’re going to roll back the socialist cancer the traitors in the White House are bring to us.
Yeah Dave, I notice the name calling, it’s all they’ve got.
I’m sure the British saw the founding father’s as traitors too.

I agree with JC–it would likely end up in a civil war.

I don’t think so. The parameters are entirely different this time. The North was able to rally their people to fight against the South because of the immorality of slavery. Today the roles are reversed. The Federal Government is on the side of immorality – stealing the money of others with their wild spending either through taxes or inflation (the result of excess money issuance), and forcing laws on citizens with no Constitutional authority to do so. They are the immoral ones. It is doubtful they could muster the support of the lazy Liberals to risk their lives when the Conservative States are simply withdrawing from an unholy Union.

Also, they would still have their own States which they could drive into the ground with their pie-in-the-sky uneconomical schemes.

Probably True Dave.

DaveH,
don’t mind Abnormal Gay!!!! I am sure you don’t want to see any of the states leave the union. I don’t either and pray it never happens in my lifetime. I’m sure that you were trying to state what could happen if the present tide isn’t stemmed!!!

DaveH,
Dam did I misspell his name???

Hey, hey, hey , You guys just stay in there. Sounds like Normal Guy is having PMS. He is somewhere in a round building, and can’t find a corner to POOP in. Just like a dog chasing his tail. Round and round and round he goes. Wow, what filthy names he’s using. Just shows his IQ, which is aahh maybe 3rd grade level!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe H, DaveH, Claire, JC, BOE, Dennis, and probably a lot more hang in there. Normal Guy is just spewing out of both ends. He doesn’t KNOW any better!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cr747,
yeah he’s a lot like a Blue Bottle Fly!! he eats crap and bothers people!!!!

HOW? THEY CONTROL THE HOUSE, SENATE, AND JUDICIARY, NOT TO MENTION THE WHITE HOUSE! THEY EVEN HAVE POWER TO STOP THE COMING ELECTION IN 2010 AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT!

IT’S CALLED THE “FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT” THAT HE (OBAMA) PROMISED AND WE VOTED FOR, ISN’T IT???

Wow Victor…I’m sure glad George Washington didn’t feel that there was “nothing we could do about it”.

George Washington was a third degree Mason, as was Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, on and on. Now, Ben Franklin also was an Illuminati member, “another” secret society like the Masons, but they (Illuminati)under Adam Weishaupt (founder, best friend, was Karl Marx), also created the “New World Order” Secret Society in 1776 (May). History indicates that without the “commoner” from Boston, Ben Franklin, the United States would not have made it past go! What do the 3rd degree Masons and the Illuminati have in common? They worship “Lucifer” as the rightful “Savior” of the world! Problem, as FDR, if they had not kept it a “secret,” they would have been burned at the stake! As the Bible quotes: “You will be cursed when you come in and you will be cursed when you go out” — “unless those days be shortened no flesh shall survive, but —.” PS: Hope that you are Catholic, because in 1520 the Pope requested a Spanish Priest, Petrus Galatinus, to replace the “Jewish Messiah” with a name to honor the Greek’s Highest Deity, Zeus; and he came up with “Jesus,” which has been accepted by the world world! How about that piece of history!

Victor L Barney—My husband is a 32nd Degree Mason. I have questioned him about the Masons’ so-called worship to Lucifer and his answer was: They are nuts. I believe my husband of 50 years, We hit 50 years December 20th. If he worshipped Lucifer we would not have stayed together. Enuf said.

Gee Victor, I guess you’re right. We might as well just all go and hang ourselves.
Ya know what? You are nothing but bad energy. Rather than telling everyone how helpless they are why don’t you find another hobby?
As for myself, I don’t give a rat’s ass whether or not G. Washington was a mason. He ran a revolution against tyranny and we may need to do the same.
So let me ask you this Mr. depresso…what are YOU willing to do to restore the Republic? I mean other than telling everyone it’s all hopeless?

If that happens then the people will have to fight to take our country back Obamas UN army will not be enought, THIS IS OUR COUNTRY NOT HIS.

Gee Victor,
Maybe you’re right, and it’s hopeless!!! Perhaps you should lead the way and show us how to end it all and put ourselves out of our misery!!!! Tell you what you go ahead and if I’m not there in 5 minutes you start without me, o.k.?

Here’s a thought from a newsletter I get:

Gold and Guns
by Doug French on January 1, 2010

In his extraordinary book Democracy: The God that Failed, Hans Hermann Hoppe points out that the process of civilization is stopped when government continually violates property rights.

The natural process of civilization comes through delaying consumption, saving, and building capital. Undoing it leads to higher societal time preference.

When natural disasters strike or a gunman robs you in an alley, “the effect of these on time preference is temporary and unsystematic,” Hoppe explains.

Victims are entitled to defend themselves against the individual aggressor and prepare themselves for the calamities of the occasional act of God. Resources will be reallocated to defend one against potential robbers, and provisions will be made for potential natural disasters.

However, when government aggresses, it is considered legitimate and “a victim may not legitimately defend himself against such violations.” Democracy legitimizes this government aggression because the violence is sanctioned by a majority of voters.

This decivilization process that Hoppe describes continues in fits and starts. The uneducated continue to live in never-never land, believing that each new ruler means change and that their lives and happiness can safely be put in the hands of a kind and caring government. But government’s current ham-handedness — with its bailouts, money printing, and rights violations — has alerted more than a few individuals to do what comes naturally: defend themselves and prepare for the worst.

The rest of the article:
http://mises.org/daily/4003

Good article i also get Gold an Guns. People need to get it out of there heads that the Government is law, They can only do to us what we allow them to do.

I wonder how the Iranians will make out?

Your article is as bad as Victor’s theory about the Mason’s.

JC: This is a great article and one that we shoul pay attention to. I went to the site and bookmarked it to read the rest later.
Our Government is in takeover mode right now, and our supposed Representatives act more like dictators than Reps.
I would never have thought we would be experiencing this in the United States, but we sure are.

Right Don, preparing for the worst is always a bad idea.
Jana, Mises.org is a great source of economic and social insight,
I highly rcommend it.

JC Thanks

The only time an election can be delayed is when the president himself puts the election on hold during a war.

There are no provisions for anyone, including the president to delay,
or “call off” the elections being held in November 2010.

Those of you that ask what people can do to fight back against this type of government need to take a serious look at the Tea Party movement. It’s not restricted to any political group. There are people from all parties involved.

We are no less than our forefathers, we can turn our country around IF we all stand together.
The healthcare bill does indeed contain a lot of things that the government denied would be included. There are death panels, and there is also a clause concerning healthcare for seniors. (age 60 and up)You can’t just call up your doctor and sechedule an appointment, you must first see your Guardian, one will be appointed for you. The guardian is not required to have a medical background. This so called
guardian will be the person that will decide whether you can see a doctor…or not… wise up folks…we are in trouble here.

Carol..are you kidding? Obama doesn`t abide or care about any laws,rules or our constituion. He does as he pleases. He has already set in place things that are not getting reported in the news. And he can call marshall law and postpone the elections. You have heard how he and Pelosi and the news organizations have described us Tea Party people as gun toting,right wingers…they (Obama) are just laying the ground for marshall law. I only see one way out…

I double that vote, and quickly we have to take action…to save our great country!! I say also, we need to rid ourselves of the UN, let the European Union, take them, and whats more, “house the union on their grounds” to rid us Americans of the expense burdens!!!

It has nothing to do with health care..it has to do with control of the people. When you have a socialist agenda of course people are opposed…but you start with health care and wear people down and make them dependent on the government. I have never understood why the black folks want to live on welfare,low income housing and food stamps..it just makes them slaves to the government. Jesse Jackson,Al sharpton and the NAACP have done their on people a horrible dis-service ..and Obama is doing the same,spreading the wealth..what bull-sh@#!! They should be encouraging education,get a good job,,support your family,have pride in your life. But nooo..make us all pitiful helpless people dependent and poor on the gov. That SOB Obama!!

BOE,

You are right, but it started long before the Health Care debate, this has just put it front and center. Our rights have been eroding for a long time, most people just didn’t want to see it. Every time the government has said, “we do this for the good of the people” we have lost something.

Corporations have been taking over the gov’t for decades while the right wing has aided them and at the same time blamed the Dems as ‘big brother’. The vast majority of thinking people want healthcare reform and change…the Repubs resistance to any change and moderate Dems combined to water down the bills to the point where they lost some support of the people…that doesn’t mean that people don’t favor reform. This bill could start the process of reform and be modified in time to enact real change.
The ‘mandates’ will be found unconstitutional or politically impossible, and dropped.
Healthcare reform is NOT about control..it’s about fighting back against ins corporations that CONTROL our lives and deaths way too much.

Denniso,

For one, I’m looking forward to future modifications to the health care bill when conservatives retake control of the government. I’m looking forward to them killing the public option, removing paid-for abortions, enacting tort reform, opening competition among insurance companies across state lines, expanding medical savings accounts with fewer restrictions, giving people the right to decide whether to buy or not buy insurance, and removing illegal immigrants from free health care insurance. Now that’s “change we can believe in.”

Reagan said; One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine.

Reagan described the movement to impose statism through health care as a threat that was imminent.

Here’s what Reagan said

The doctor begins to lose freedom…. First you decide that the doctor can have so many patients. They are equally divided among the various doctors by the government. But then doctors aren’t equally divided geographically. So a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him, you can’t live in that town. They already have enough doctors. You have to go someplace else. And from here it’s only a short step to dictating where he will go.

Reagan continued

All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man’s working place and his working methods, determine his employment. From here it’s a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay. And pretty soon your son won’t decide when he’s in school, where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do.

Reagan closed by telling us the price of not taking action to stop this threat

And if you don’t do this and if I don’t do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.

Reagan had a talent for getting to the heart of the matter and his words are as true today as they were back then.

This so-called move to radically change our health care system by putting the federal government in charge has nothing to do with making health care more accessible, more available and more affordable .

It’s more about the desire of politicians in Washington to impose greater centralized government control .

We can’t thank you enough for all you have done to defeat ObamaCare thus far. But all Americans must continue to make their voices heard against this government takeover of health care. We must continue to fight, or the result just may be telling our children and grandchildren what it once was like in America when men were free.

ron, quoting Reagan is like quoting Elmer Fudd..NO credibility on anything! Reagan knew almost nothing about anything except how to do what his handlers wanted and how to act poorly. Next, I guess you’ll be quoting the true moron,Shrub,on economics or engineering or science or honesty.

well, well, well!!! Sounds like denniso is still blowing steam.

I have missed you guys, and I have a lot of catching up to do. Just landed in Texas early this afternoon, and got to my ranch. Thought I would see what was going on. Have court dates coming up, but will be able to comment a little every once in a while.

Clair, what have you got yourself into? Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. You are definitely not anything like normal guy. He’s got a short fuse and goes off way to quick. You hang in there girl. We’ve got you covered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cr747—Seems like I can get myself in a bind at times. But, sometimes it is my fault, and I admit it.
Sincerely hope your holidays were great. It doesn’t seem possible that Christmas and New Years Day were here and gone. Now here is to a great New Year. A lot of things are going to happen, it will be interesting to see how things play out. I hope they get better, but I rather doubt it. Americans must stand up and fight for what we believe. Our government is in a shambles and it must come to a screeching halt. I am really disappointed in the way they are slamming things through and they are doing anything to get the votes. I can’t imagine they are so blind to the fact that this agenda will turn out to be a disaster for all of us.
This is off the subject but I have to tell you that my son bought a remote control helicopter at Christmastime. It is good size. Like you, he loves flying too. It is an awesome gadget. All of us have a lot of fun with it outside. He loves the F16s and the 787.
Have a good day.

cr747,
he blows something warm but it isn’t steam. It’s diarrhea of the mouth and keyboard!!!

Claire, Those radio controlled choppers are great fun. I have “played” with them, and the kids all have a blast with them. They are really quite amusing to adults, kids have a tendency to crash them until they get used to them, but with a little practice and supervision though the kids can learn pretty quick on how to fly them.

I love the new 787. It is one hell of a jet.