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Maine Voters Repeal Same-sex Marriage Law

November 13, 2009 by  

Maine voters repeal same-sex marriage lawIn a closely watched ballot on Nov. 3, voters in Maine rejected the law legalizing gay marriage that had been signed by Governor John Baldacci on May 6.

The president of the conservative group Family Research Council, Tony Perkins, praised the 53 percent to 47 percent result, saying it expressed a disapproval of the policies of the Democratic-led legislature "who failed to protect the rights of families and children by refusing to protect the institution of marriage."

However, same-sex marriage advocates have described the vote’s outcome as "a setback for all of us," in the words of Elbridge James, director of the Maryland Black Family Alliance, which is an advocacy organization of straight African-Americans.

In addition, Betsy Smith, executive director of Equality Maine, stressed the vote was "about treating gay and lesbian families with dignity and respect under Maine law," and expressed her disappointment that Maine voters "chose not to do that, [and it is] difficult mostly because of the families who today continue to go unprotected," quoted by South Florida Blade.

Meanwhile, Governor Baldacci suggested the issue will be revisited as he vowed to continue to work to ensure that all Maine residents are treated equally.
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  • http://gbyay.blogspot.com Anne Breen

    I love my handsome son, and GOD certainly made him gay that way, right from the beginning even as a tiny toddler I can see with 20/20 hindsight. If a one woman/one man union meant anything special today it would be a true commitment for life, too many times I see them turn into secret heterosexual sexual affairs and/or then a series of serial affairs or multiple marriages if they can afford it. A monogamus love relationship of two people in a life long faithful commitment to each other has value and provides stability for the community.
    And I resent that Portland ME political church activists against legal gay civil unions got money from the general funds of the Archdiocese of Philadephia to the tune of $50,000 while Philadelphia says it can not afford to keep 2 local Catholic high schools open. Isn’t that like robbing Peter to pay Paul for dubious Republicanistic political action, while your own flock needs education and care. I wonder who got the money? GBYAY Anne Breen

    • coal miner

      Anne,
      Homosexuality is now believe to start between one and five years old.

    • obiwan

      Anne,
      Your heart and mind are in the right place.
      I’m straight and can tell you there are many of us that wholly support you and your son and will vote that conviction because it’s right.

      • http://naver samurai

        If a person says they are straight, they tend to be lying. Anne, you may have a handsome son, be he was in no way born gay. Gay is making a choic to be immoral and not normal. If you love your son, that’s great! We all tend to love our children, but sometimes not the things they do. Ergo, love your son, but get him back on the straight and narrow path. This would show you really love him. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Wayne Keel – V Vet

    I’m just glad they can’t reproduce! God loves them, but hates what they do, so I can be OK with that.

    • Bernie

      But they are a good alternative to abortions.

    • coal miner

      wayne keel,

      Scientist are working on it.One of these days,Adam and Steve will have a bouncing baby boy.Ha-ha -ha

      • CC

        when two men have a baby boy, what’s to stop their perversions from hurting the boy or giving him a fair chance at normalcy if he isn’t gay…children are innocent

      • coal miner

        C.C,

        There are cases where there were heterosexual parents sexully abusing their children.I think we wil never be free of these sick perverted people.We need more laws to protect our kids.

      • Bernie

        There have been some studies done about the probability of child abuse as pertaining to homosexuals and heterosexuals. Turns out, most have shown that gays aren’t any more likely to abuse kids than straight people are. We are coming to a time now when the first real generation of people raised by gay parents are becoming adults. The things they have to say about being raised by two people of the same sex are interesting. The timing of this coming of age, with so much going on in the gay rights movement and those who oppose it, is rather convenient. So many people say so many things about what will happen to the children of gay parents, but up until recently, nobody has been able to ask the kids themselves about the experience. What gives any of us the right to speak for those with voices of their own?

    • obiwan

      So you claim to know the mind of your God. People have been “smitten”
      for lesser offenses. Gross arrogance is a terminal sin.

    • obiwan

      Wayne,
      I’m a V-Vet too and commend your tolerance. The experiences of war cetainly make you a more worldly and appreciatve person as well as
      a more tolerant one. Just listen to some of these bozos we risked our lives to defend.

      • http://naver samurai

        When and what unit did you serve? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • insideknowledge

    George Orwell did a great job in his parables in Animal Farm and his lamentations in 1984. Despots use redefinition to stray people from time-tested wisdoms. Thus it is with marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman. End of story. You can’t chage that fact by redefining it to the political correctness of the day.

    Dave is to be commended for his excellent concise explanations. To those I would add the following:
    1. Many honest and decent people have always scorned homosexual activities. They have labelled such as unnatural and bad. But being good people who believe in freedom for others, they were tolerant of what two homosexuals might consent to do, so long as they didn’t involve children or anyone else who didn’t want to be involved. And recognizing that homosexual activity is ridiculous, they believed that ridicule was fair game for those who flaunted their homosexual activities. They usually refrained from ridiculing, and were tolerant of the queers. But now the queers are not satified with tolerance — they demand approval. And many of those honest and tolerant people who maintained a live-and-let-live attitude, myself included, are just not going to give their stamp of approval, even at the risk of being labelled as intolerant. Standing up for principle has always carried the risk of scorn, but good people do it.
    2. The push for “homosexual rights” is just another communist attempt to compartmenalize everything and everyone into groups (i.e. special interest groups competing for government dole). Groups don’t have naturally existing rights, only individuals do. The communists and their nitwit allies continually try to enslave individuals by usurping their rights into collective categories that can be more easily controlled by the despots in power. New faces — same old tactic.
    3. All this leads to more government , higher taxes, and less individual freedom — exactly the opposite of the American dream and the goals of all legitimate good religions.

    • Bernie

      How does gay marriage lead to “more government , higher taxes, and less individual freedom”?

    • Jana

      Inside,
      I agree with you. What someone does in the privacy of their own home is fine. I just don’t want to be forced by anyone spouting political correctness to say its ok.

      The way it impacts my individual freedom is that they want me to agree to it and say its ok when I believe what the Bible says, and the Bible says it is not ok.
      More governemnt? The more laws they make the more the governemnt controls our lives and we have less freedom.
      The gays have as much freedom to their privacy as the rest of us, and are free to do whatever they want in that privacy. Just keep it that way.
      Do what you want to do, just don’t try and force everyone into saying it is good, or ok when its not. Don’t overtly show public affections, and that actually goes for anyone. It is not necessary to make out in public.

      • Bernie

        1. The post said individual freedom, not your individual freedom. Individual freedom/personal liberty to me involves the right to make choices. Nobody is telling you to go get gay married, and if it becomes an option, it will be a choice.
        2. By legalizing gay marriage you would actually repeal laws/amendments and restrictions.
        3. I agree with your comments about PDA, but must respectfully agree with the rest. Gays don’t have the same rights as everyone else. If they did, they wouldn’t be working so hard for the right to marry.

        One of the biggest mistakes I feel like the gay rights movement is making is what I consider to be “open mindedness” to a closed minded degree. In other words, “We’re so open minded that if you’re not as open minded as us, you can go on and get the @$#* out.” Tolerance is a two way street. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s why this is America, and being intolerant of intolerance just doesn’t make sense. All I’m saying is I want choices. I want fewer laws restricting the things i can do. I don’t want to be morally policed, because if we allow that to start happening, where do we draw the line? I’m sure that in several Middle Eastern countries that’s how they went from being somewhat secular to being oppressive shams of government (Iran), and frankly, that scares the hell out of me.

      • DaveH

        Bernie,
        It befuddles me too. I could care less if they want to marry.
        It’s kind of ironic to me because the common reason I have heard cited for their desire to marry is so they can get the benefits of a spouse. Yet the spousal benefit aspects of insurance, income tax, etc. mainly exists because of Big Government. And the gays have joined forces with those who advocate that same Big Government. Go figure.
        If they simply would push for individual freedom, individual responsibility, and Limited Government as our forefathers intended, most of those conditions which favor married individuals would not exist.
        What troubles a lot of us is the favored category status that gays (as well as others) are seeking. It’s getting to the point where straight anglo-saxon males are at the bottom of the heap. That is not equality.

      • Bernie

        You’re right. I like what the city of Atlanta has done. Since Georgia is a conservative state and gay marriage was constitutionally excluded before anyone could even take a shot at the Georgia Supreme Court, Atlanta, a relatively liberal city has opted to give it’s municipal employees domestic partnerships (starting in 2000). These partnerships are not exclusive to gay couples, and straight unmarried couples have just as much a right to the benefits as anyone else. I like this option, but can’t see it as anything other than a temporary fix. The results of these domestic partnerships has actually saved the city a pile of money. If you want a link to what I’m talking about, take a look at these letters our mayor, Shirley Franklin, sent to the Fulton County Commissioner urging him to try it out in his government.

      • Hasijidad Nurino

        And big government exists because the people will it to exist. The people are the legitimizing force in America.
        I don’t quite understand what “favored status” you are referring to, nor do I understand your conceptualization of people as agents of groups rather individuals. This is , in actuality, a communistic perspective that clashes with the very spirit of American government /culture/norms and, in fact, contradicts your ideological opposition to “big government.”

        . Perhaps you believe that we are at some sort of position of social equilibrium. This could be farther from the truth, but not by much. This vote is a demonstration in and of itself of the prejudices some people are up against: apparently the majority of the voters here were willing to wake up, drive several miles to polling stations, and systematically bitchslap their brethren. Make no mistake: this isn’t some overarching religious struggle: this is people using the “ewwww” factor to justify being atrocious to their fellow men.

        The fact of the matter is that gays don’t exist.
        straight people don’t exist, either. Nor do bisexuals. Constraining human sexuality to physical manifestations(words removed) ill conceived, and utterly insulting to the human race. We’re better than that. Our libidos are more complex than the some of our private parts; our relationships transcend such categorizations.

      • Bernie
      • DaveH

        Hasijidad,
        I’m not quite sure what you’re saying. But for decades there have been special protected classes of people – women, blacks, gays, etc. I am talking about special laws and court cases over hiring practices, and hate crimes, and home sales, etc.
        There are myriad laws concerning protection of these special classes. The laws provide full employment for the lawyers, but not much else. There is more turmoil between our citizens now than ever before in my lifetime. Government has also bogged our businesses down with productivity stifling paperwork.
        Government doesn’t create equality, it creates inequality. But the lawyers are happy.

    • coal miner

      Inside,
      I hate to break your eggs.George Orwell was a socialist.

    • obiwan

      Your name should be inside opinion. Theres no factual knowledge here.
      There is much bliss in you fantasyland.

  • http://justicesofthepeace.blogspot.com Joe Mustich, JP

    Let’s not forget that marriage is firstly a civil matter in America, as marriage licenses are issued by and recorded in town halls not church halls or mosques or temples.

    And congrats to all the couples who came to CT to wed this summer from all across the country. Kudos to CT.

    Cheers, Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace,
    Washington, Connecticut, USA

    To the marriage police and sexually phobic, please find something else to do with your time, because life’s to short. Find love.

    It’ time…..

    • Jana

      Sorry Joe, that is your opinion. Not mine.

      • Hasijidad Nurino

        Fed Up Gal, your advocacy for moral relativism directly contradicts your insistence that people should be forced de jur to follow traditional values. Beyond that ,you are asserting that reality is a zero sum game, which in such a context is probably not the case.
        The fact of the matter is that, were marriage limited to a man and a woman, a coin toss is apparently what determines whether or not two souls can legally conjoin
        Bullocks, I say .

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      Joe M, JP: You are entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else commenting on this site. Don’t get too phobic in your own crusade.

      Fed Up Gal

      • obiwan

        Don’t worry, his phobia is no match for yours.

      • http://naver samurai

        Which is no match for yours, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Wayne Keel – V Vet

      You’re a big part of the problem with what’s wrong with this world. It has nothing to do with government and has everything to do with the church. This country was founded by people with a strong belief in morality and God. They would never agree with your perverted mind rot and I think you can read that into the laws they made. If you don’t agree with that then you need to move somewhere that suits your taste. This country is taken and we are not into change that would jeopardize God,Family, and Country. Like I said before, if it were morally right, then you could reproduce. But you can’t!

      • Hasijidad Nurino

        Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine, among other founders, were Deists. That is, they denied the possibility of all revealed religions. In the context of the 18th century, Deism was often essentially the same as modern atheism , though the Deists posited the creation of the universe with a mysterious watch maker who left the cosmos at an undisclosed date in time. It would have been inconcievable to have publicly professed oneself to be an atheist at the time, thanks in large part to the raving christian masses.

        The real question, then, is not “why are gays trying to help bring about changes to unconstitutional laws,” but rather “why is Wayne Keel – V Vet ” still in this country if he fundamentally disagrees with the sentiments of our founding fathers, that revealed religion is a sham?

        No,of course not. The real question isn’t even that. The real question is : what changed between now and then, Wayne? You fought in battles and protected your brethren from enemies who wished to kill them. Why now are you fighting to prevent people who deeply understand each other from living normal , ordinary lives?

      • coal miner

        Nurino,

        I agree with you.It is a well known fact that our founding fathers were atheist.Here are some of the presidents and founders.

        Thomas Jefferson:
        Ben Franklin:
        Abe Lincoln:
        Famous writer-Mark Twain:
        Religion is a big sham.

      • Baz

        Has & coal miner:
        I believe that if you start with a false premise, you’ll wind up with a false conclusion.
        Many of the founding fathers were in fact Deists, but you cannot equate deism with atheism. Jefferson was asked if in fact he was a Christian, and his reply, in writing to a friend, was that if by living by christian principles meant he was christian, then he was. He was not a Christian, but he believed in a creator. He, like many of the framers of the constitution including Franklin, were Masons. One of the fundamental principles is belief in God, and the interpretation of God being left to each individual. I doubt the term watchmaker was used, but it doesn’t matter if it was. The meaning and belief would still be the same.
        If in fact there were raving christian masses as you posit, I serously doubt that the constitution would have been ratified in the form that it was. The core of the christian belief is Christ, so it would be as repugnant to a raving christian were you a deist or an atheist.
        Lastly, here were men who were risking their very lives, families and fortunes to achieve the miracle of the U.S. I very much doubt that they would have lacked the courage to stand by their convictions in all things.

      • http://naver samurai

        Our founding fathers were Christians, so get over it! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • DaveH

        Nurino, Coal Miner,
        I am atheist, but at least the religious people are trying to respect their fellow man, unlike most Liberals who have no problem stealing the money of others using the Government as their club. In the case of the health care bill they are both stealing and forcing their choices on others.
        Maybe they fall down on this one (the gay issue), but the proper way to address that is through Dialogue, not the force of Government. Frankly, I don’t understand the angst that gays have over this issue. I have always believed that true love doesn’t need a contract, except maybe in the case of having children to protect. The only ones I see really benefitting from such unnecessary contracts would be the Lawyers.
        Another point I might make is that whether the Religious folks are right or wrong they outnumber you. It is common sense in any battle where you are facing a dominating force to retreat and reconsider your position.

      • obiwan

        Hasijidad is exactly right about our founding fathers and those facts can easily be researched if you dare to actually educate yourself. online are the personal writings and correspondence of Jefferson, Paine, Franklin, Washington etc.
        Abraham Lincoln would sit outside in the carriage while his wife attended service. He wouldn’t set foot in a church.

      • http://naver samurai

        Lying again are we, moron? Washington was an episcipalian and Lincoln was a Christian.

        “I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good from the Saviour of the world is communicated to us through this book.” Abraham Lincoln.

        wwwoncg.us
        wwwyoutube.com/watch?v=w-DzDCe5u3Y

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

    Maybe I’m clueless, but I just don’t understand the controversy surrounding gay marriage. What difference does it make? They can marry chickens for all I care, it doesn’t affect my family or pocketbook in the least. I say live and let live. And if some people are “born gay” as they claim, then I guess that means that God has a sense of humor.

    • Dave

      Yes, they claim that they were “born gay” but that is only what they would like everyone to accept. But, look at the facts. Sex does not come into play until a person is in his/her teen years. So, how can any person be “born gay” as they claim??? Also, the purpose of sex is for procreation/survival of the species. Two people of the same sex CANNOT procreate and, if everyone were homosexual, our human species would cease to exist in less than a century.

      • coal miner

        Dave,

        I had sexual feelings when I was six or seven years old.Everybody does.Sexuality ,according to humanan behavorist can be determined between the ages one and five.I have been married to a wonderful woman,going on 38 years and I always kept a open mind.

      • http://naver samurai

        How? Did mommy and daddy give you a blow up doll for Christmas? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Hasijidad Nurino

        Someone lacks an understanding of biology, it seems. You aren’t born in puberty, but different genes influence how you will develop in puberty.
        If everyone was a celibate priest , humanity would die out. Your argument is bunk nonsense: the prime goal of men should not be to impregnate women , despite what your argument implies. Procreation is a choice. At this point, artificial insemination exists.

        Anyway, people just have different tastes.

      • obiwan

        Dave,
        don’t let science, fact, education etc. get in the way of your knowledge. Are you scared to read a book on genetics or behavioral science? How about hormonal science. If you think this science is BS
        than don’t go to a Doctor. Thats what they learn in school.

    • Jana

      Jessica, it does affect our country in its morals, and values and standards. It affects our children.

      • Hasijidad Nurino

        Indeed it does. Banning same sex marriage is sending a message to our children that it’s ok to interfere in consenting victimless coequal companionate relationships.This perspective on homosexuality is the reason why schoolyard bullies say stuff such as “you’re GAY!”

      • Jana

        Has:

        Schoolyard bullies are going to bully anyone for anything, there is not any reasoning to a bully.
        We have standards and morals in this country. Maybe your country didn’t but we used to, and we want it back.
        No one cares what a gay person does, just don’t flaunt it.!! That is the reason for the problems now.

      • coal miner

        Jana,

        You mean they can’t holds hands in public,like hetrosexuals do? What is right for Adam and Eve,is not alright for Adam and Steve.Wow! Let freedom ring.

      • http://naver samurai

        Sorry coal dungger, but behavior isn’t covered anywhere in the Constitution. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • obiwan

        Yes it does. It implies that everyone should think and live exactly as
        you do or else. Your teaching your children to have no respect,
        tolerance, courtesy, etc. for anyone that believes different than you.
        Thats what America’s about; huh. Ignorance is bliss.

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      Jessica,

      Here’s my thought, for whatever it’s worth. I personally do not support the theory, live and let live…regardless of whether the topic is homosexuality, heterosexuality, or pretty much any lifestyle behavior (drugs, alcohol, etc).

      On the surface, I understand your comment about it not affecting your family’s or your pocketbook in the least. Well, I think if that were really the case, homosexuals would not care whether they were married on paper or just live together. Of course, there may be some who actually believe or try to convince others that same sex marriage is not a sin, but I just think there’s more to the story…i.e., I wonder if it has more to do with getting business and taxpayer benefits for their partner. If same sex marriage is allowed, I just bet it will affect your pocketbook, your family’s pocketbook, and every other citizen paying taxes. Where is the line drawn? For me, I’d have go with the “1 woman/1 man” concept. Just a thought.

      Fed Up Gal

      • obiwan

        Its nice of you to tell the world you don’t believe in live and let live. So you have no tolerance or respect for those who think differently than you. I’m sure there are plenty of people fed up with those as ignorant as you.
        Your “live and let live” mantra works both ways.

      • http://naver samurai

        Tooooooooooooooo much kool aid on a daily basis. I noticed that you had to wait 5 months in order to respond. Brain functions a little slow these days? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • DaveH

      I agree Jessica. But the gays have brought it upon themselves by joining forces with the Liberals who want to teach our children lifestyles which we don’t approve, empty our pocketbooks, and force us to do things we don’t want to do through Big Government.
      They have finally pissed off the religious people who are just now starting to fight back.
      I don’t feel the least bit sorry for them.
      If we want our freedom, we need to respect the freedom of others.

      • Hasijidad Nurino

        “If I want to be free from the fear of getting murdered, I should respect the freedom of other people to murder me.”
        That is what you are saying . Your argument is a non sequitur that betrays your total lack of understanding of the basic distinction between “freedom to” and “freedom from.” It is reasonable to believe that the value of the freedom to marry your companion outweighs the freedom FROM having to live in a country that allows for people to commit an act that in no way damages anyone else .

        Or, in opposite terms, the value of the freedom from de jur discrimination outweighs the value of freedom to discriminate .

      • DaveH

        And Government passing laws in the name of freedom is an Oxymoron. Freedom is the lack of Government intrusion into our lives. For instance, what is keeping Gays from getting married right now? Government laws! Rescind those, don’t add more.

      • Hasijidad Nurino

        Ah. I apologize. I acted against you with prejudice. Our argument is not one between ideals based on social principles, but on the the role of the government in enforcing them. Fair enough, I respect your position.

      • Jana

        Has:
        That is exactly how I feel too. I don’t want anyone forcing me or my children or family to do anything.
        I hold no ill will to anyone who is gay.

      • DaveH

        And your argument is fallacious and your example is both weak and unfounded. Freedom doesn’t entail the freedom to do whatever you want. Freedom pertains to living your own life the way you see fit as long as you don’t encroach on the bodies and property of others.

      • obiwan

        Hasijidad,
        One of the prices of freedom in this country is allowing even the
        terminally stupid and the grossly ignorant to have their say.
        It all adds to the national diversity and as usual the truth is in the middle of many compromises to attempt to keep the majoriy happy.

      • http://naver samurai

        An American shall have the right to speak out against their elected officials without anything happening to them. This freedom of speech shall not be taken from any American. 1st Amendment to the Constitution. Political speech is protected and not all speech. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • CindyL

        Teach our children lifestyles we don’t approve of? I don’t approve of excessive drinking, but what am I to do, other than try and teach my children what the results are? There are many lifestyles that I don’t want my children to participate in, but I don’t try and outlaw or critize them publically. I instill in my children the benefits of what I think would be correct choices without taking away the rights of others to do as they please. If you choose to smoke, drink, curse that is your right. If you are doing those things, I don’t view it as you trying to teach my children to do the same. I view it as your right to do what you want, as long as you don’t physcially hurt anyone else that is your right. I certainly don’t cast you as an evil person who is trying to corrupt anyone else. Dave, thought you were a Libertarian? What happened to honoring everyones rights? The platform specifically states that gays won’t be discriminated against.

      • obiwan

        Right on Cindy,
        I don’t approve of excessive ignorance and intolerance but we’re stuck with it.

      • http://naver samurai

        Tell me which paragraph or amendment says you can drink, smoke, curse, be gay, etc. I’ll give you a hint, it isn’t there! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Bernie

      Jessica- I think everyone can agree that black bears are cuter that grizzly bears. Grizzlies are kind of ugly, they have humpbacks, their hair shed in big gnarly clumps, they don’t have those cute rounded off ears, they weigh on average almost twice as much as black bears, and, on the whole, are just kind of scary as hell. Now, the Department of Parks and Recreation has done studies on bear attacks and why they happen: standing in between a mother and her cubs, having excess food around, walking up on a bear by surprise, etc. What they have found is that a black bear is significantly more likely to (for no obvious reason) stalk, hunt, and try to kill human beings. Just so you know, none of this is a metaphor for anything related to this page with the exception of your post. i KNOW God has a sense of humor. ;)

  • RAY

    WHAT ABOUT THE 47 PERCENT-THAT SAYS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE EXCEPT THIS KIND OF RELATIONSHIP AND THAT IS SCARRY-WHAT WILL THE NEXT VOTE SHOW? CAN ANY STREIGHT PERSON JUSTIFY EXCEPTING THIS TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP AND BELIEVE THE TRUE GOD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH CAN BLESS A NATION THAT TOLORATE THIS

  • Jana

    I am impressed that they were able to turn this around.

  • Disgusted

    I was overjoyed on November 4th when I heard the news! Morals and family values are still in place! Wonderful!

    • Jeff

      Amen! We must NEVER accept homosexuality as normal.

      • Korron Ezekial

        (Comment Removed for Offensive Content)

      • Dave

        Let’s not get violent and rediculous about this subject. Homosexuals are God’s creations who have a psychological problem…God still loves them as he does heterosexuals. The only objection I have is that they want to convince everyone that they are normal/natural when they aren’t. Looking around at all of God’s other creations should convince anyone that homosexuality is unnatural. Sex was established to procreate and two people of the same sex cannot procreate. So, indulging in sex with a person of the same sex is NOT normal or natural. But, since God gave us free will, homosexuality is still a choice they were given the right to choose. There are many other activities/actions humans have a right to choose that God would rather we not do; e.g. smoking tobacco, drinking alcoholic beverages, war, etc., etc. We should treat homosexuals with sympathy as we would treat smokers who are addicted to tobacco.

      • Jana

        Thank you Dave, that is a very good and a very wise answer.
        Korron sounds weird and fake.

      • coal miner

        Dave,

        All creatures?What about Amebas? Asexual.

      • obiwan

        Dave,
        A little research would reveal to you that Homosexual behavior occurs natuarlly in nearly all species of mammals. It’s a small
        percentage probably due to the many possible accidents of genetics and the resulting body(hormonal chemistry)deviations. There is a very broad range of these deviations. Medical research is working on the exact cause. These people are born this way. The main point is that if you’re a devout person then you have to logically come to the conclusion that God created these differences, these people. The problem is there are too many people that allow the religious doctrine of their particular group to suspend all logic.
        Go back to basics. Seems to me Jesus’s main teaching point was tolerance. These people don’t want your pity. At the very least they
        want you to leave them alone and keep your noses out of their bedrooms. The in-your-face attitude of some gay rights groups is
        a reaction, not an action.
        I’m as straight as they come and married for 40yrs. and I’ll always
        defend the right of any group of people to be treated as normal human
        beings.
        You are morally and factually wrong! Tolerance and respect first!

      • http://naver samurai

        Why don’t you stick to using the force, obiwan? That’s an old arguement and has till this date never been proven and it’s still just a theory. Remember moron, a theory isn’t fact!

        Dave, good post! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! I really wish that these morons would quit trying to force their immoral lifestyle on us. They cry out for equal rights, but yet none of their rights in the Constitution have been taken away from them. They only have themselves to blame for their current situation. They just need to go out and get a life and get lost! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Jim

        your God may love them ….but I do not, nor do I want them spewing their homosexual lifestyle in our children’s schools or other places where children learn , let them be free to practice there lifestyle with out it corrupting real family values that have NOTHING to do with being ….one of them

      • coal miner

        korron,

        I think you are joking and trying to make jackasses out of these bible thumpers.

      • http://naver samurai

        Ah yes, still looking in the mirror are we, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • coal miner

        Korron Ezekial,

        I did a lot of thinking it over.I want to convert.I change my ways.

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