Dave, the welfare programs in 1992 were 220.06 billion, they increased to 267.66 in 1999. Increase of 47.60 billion. However from 2000 to 2008 they went from 267.66 to 477.25 billion and increase of 209.59 billion. Dude, this came straight off the government spending website. You cannot keep blaming the Democrats, when the Republicans spending was worse. The Republicans spent like socialists and cannot escape the facts, they were out of control.

HOLD ON EYES…your stats are WAY out of context, and your statement is not entirely correct.
Yes, the Repubs had a hand in it and it is why they paid for it in the 2006 & 2008 elections.

A big chunk of that spending dropped in the late 90′s due to Welfare to work & and a large part of that increase in the 2000′ was the result of a MASS influx of ILLEGAL ALIENS!

I agree we should be angry and disgusted, but let it be for the right reasons!

type in internet search us government spending, it will give you two options sites. One for defense spending and another for total spending. I know you are smart enough, once you are in, to change the years in option catagory to 1992.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_go.php?

Ok, I shall once again post the Congressional websites so people can look up the Roll Call Votes for themselves and see which politicians have voted for the Big Government Spending Bills. The Republicans aren’t blameless, but they lose this contest hands down to the Democrats. For the House of Representatives (look for Roll Call Votes):
http://clerk.house.gov/

For the Senate:
http://www.senate.gov/

Dave, it has nothing to do with this year, can’t you read what I asked? It is the total spending from 1992 until 2007. How much it increased in a eight year period of time, when the Republicans were controling it the whole time, it peaked during Bush’s admin, for some unknown reason. We have 3.3 million people on the welfare rolls and I want to know why he inceased the funding by 5 times the amount that it was when he came into office.

Rod, took it right off the government spending site, that good old Davv is always sending us too. http://www.USgovernmentspending.com/downchart

USgovernmentspending.com/downchart

I would like to hear your ideas on how to save the Medicare system. Since it will be broke in 2016, I really would like some honest input on how to stop the 8 major Insurance Companies from bankrupting the program. I know it is government run healthcare, but every Republican I know, likes it and wants to keep,it. While preventing others from having it, lol. I think we should cancel it and refund monies, let everyone fend for themselves. Have the government reduce our taxes by the amount we have already paid and let everyone get their own healtcare. We either have to fix it, or cancel it. What is your opinion?

Any Governemt program like these are very cumbersome beats and EXTREMELY if not IMPOSSIBLE to unwind. Medicare is going to “hit the rocks” and I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened before 2016. The first thing I would try to get a handle on is the fraud and waste.

Example: I’m sure you’ve seen the commercials for those “hoover-round” mobility (electric) chairs for the incapacitated? If you went to buy one it would cost around $1,000. When Medicare buys one it costs $3,000. This is unacceptable!
Also Medicare fraud is estimated from 15% to over 30%. Again, UNACCEPTABLE. The credit card compaines have it below 1%, so where around .06%. What are they doing that the Gov. isn’t? Probably it’s their money so they have a vest interest in protecting it. Where the Govs view is we’ll just tax people more if we run low.

I think 2 other MAJOR ways we can reform health care and make it better for ALL. Is tort reform and portability.

Tort reform
A patient should not be able to sue from millions and millions of dollars because some gauze was left in them during surgery. The medical providers should be made to pay for all of the healthcare costs (including surgery) to remedy the situation and them maybe a small award for pain and suffering, BUT NOTHING OUTLANDISH!

Portability
If insurer were able to compete across state borders you will have the very beneficial effect of competition, it is what our free-market is based on. The consumer will be able to directly effect the most beneficial plan for themself.
Also, insurance should not be employer based. It should be just like your car insurance. Were you have the direct responsibility and power to choose the plan that best fits your needs. Face it, when the money comes out of your pocket you make more effective decisions. When someone else is paying people tend to disregard the cost.

Take the cosmetic surgery market as an example. In this industry quality keeps going up and cost keeps going down. Insurance has nothing to do with it because it is an elective surgery. The free-market is a work here and it is to the benefit of all involved, DRs and patients included. DRs are getting rich, and patients are getting what their paying for.

As far as ending Medicare…I am conflicted.
I first see it as a SOCIALIST program and think it should be stopped. For the shear reason that the Gov is involved and were being taxed to pay for it and that makes it more expensive.

On the other hand, I think arguements can be made that some sort of BAREBONES safety net isn’t such a bad thing and is a sign of a civilized society. But this arguement put you on a slippery slop. Who decided what is barebones?

Rod,
People are pretty generous when they have their needs met. There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that charity would take care of the truly misfortunate.
Our country would be so wealthy and robust in a free-market system that there would be plenty of financial resources to meet the needs of those who through no fault of their own have suffered misfortune.

I couldn’t agree more … America is already the most gernous nation on the face of this planet. BUT, the more wealth the GOV. confiscates it begins to take a toll on that charitable mind.

Lets all wish for the day when we go back to neighbors helping neighbors and get away from what we have today. The Gov talking about helping people, but in the end only helping itself and the party.

Hands clapping.

As to how I arrived at my comments, I observed, I thought about the situations, and I came to conclusions. You might try the same.

Incidentally, I note that you singled out the “not smart” comment. Interesting. I take it that you couldn’t think of anything in reply to my other comments. Did that not give you pause?

Regarding George Bush, please read again the last sentence of my earlier post. If you still don’t understand it, ask someone else to read it to you and explain it in words that you can understand.

Oregon Bob, Norm would actually have to think, which he has never demonstrated on this site.

Name calling again. It’s getting old.

If the shoe fits, wear it!

Norm it would be an odd day when you catch me defending George Bush…Although, I did vote for him twice, but then again LOOK BACK AT THE ALTERNATIVE! it was more of a vote against Gore & Kerry.

I have to agree with Oregan BOB, Once again it seems like Bush is the better man. Not because Buch was such a power house of intellectuallism, but because Obama is DESTROYING every cornerstone of what made this country great. By the way, with the socialist pardigm of the “redistribution of wealth”, Do you realize that after the first round of redistribution the “pie” begins to shrink, and eventually it shrinks so small that there is no longer enough to go around? Think about standing in line all day just to get toilet paper. It’s were Obama is taking us!

NORM…I find you to be a quisling

DaveH, that debt clock in a sham, just ask any leftis liberal Democrat.

Tongue in cheek, of course.

I think the Norm at the top of this thread actually thinks about what he is saying and has earned the right to choose…You should change yours to the lefty-Norm.

…or Un-Norm-al

I keep trying to resist the urge to repond to you post JeffH…But BBAAAAHHAAAHHAAHHHAA…That is so F N funny. ROTF LMFAO…seriouly, A tear actually rolled down my face….But only 1.I don’t want to be mean…. SSSNNNNNicker

Rod the Other
Anybody who doesn’t agree with you doesn’t think? That’s an interesting philosopy. Hitler and Stalin had very similar views.

NORM…interesting philosophy…is that one you follow or are you trying to say that I do?

I’ll say. I had to read that message several times. Was wondering if the real Norm was under heavy sedation.

Like a true LIB I think the LIB-Norm wants to play on that confusion.

Norm at the top of this thread, May I suggest you ad an identifier to your handle?

Rod the Other
No. I think Norm the extremist should identify himself. Maybe dittoheadNorm, antidemocracynorm, or maybe foxnorm.

THE OTHER NORM… not LIB-NORM. May I suggest RIGHTTHINK=NORMal

NORM…Fine, whatever…A title is just a title, atleast his head is screwed on straight…and doesn’t engage in MARXIST thinking.

I do wish you people would get together and decide if it is Marxism, socialism, fascism, communism which type of “ism” are you claiming that Obama is trying to turn us too??? You all just need to pick a line and keep it. So many methodologies are leaving you a divided group of screamers.

EYES…That was funny…I actually did LOL.

They all apply…I guess it is one of the things that makes Obama so slimey in my book. He embraces tenants of all of those paradigms. I suppose it how he can claim that he isn’t this, or he isn’t that because he is all of them…Which, I suppose calls for a new brand-name….How about SOROS-ISM?….SOROS-OSITY? SOROS-A**? Soros does have to have some representation here, don’t ya think?

Hey Rod, how about Socioroscommumarxism! Might be a little long on the tooth, but it is fitting.

JeffH…That’s pretty good. Maybe we could just abreviate that down to SCUM!

EWO, Marxism, Socialism and Fascism are all merely waystops on the road to Communism.
By the way,
The most popular debate on this forum of late.
Is by your most frequent offenders, it seems to me over your gender.
Now don’t ask me why, but I always new you weren’t a guy.
Maybe it’s your passionate fonting, that is to others so haunting.
Perhaps it’s because your responses are so thorny, that it makes them so,uh, nevermind

I have never seen those videos exposing ACORN anywhere but on FOX. The reason for that is the other MSM media outlets could not be trusted to present them openly, for all to see.

Jeff, Rachael Maddow, had two different segments on about Acorn, but then again she is a Rhodes Scholar with Ph.D and is rated as a real journalist, by her peers.

what peers would that be? Keith Oberman, and Chris Mathews?

Wasn’t Maddow one of the reporters who commented on the racist gun toting white people in Arizonia that went to one of Obama’ townhalls with a handgun on his hip and an AR-15 over his shoulder?
OH and yeah…Didn’t that fototage they kept showing of it turn out to be a black guy with the guns? That’s some real truthful reporting! You can always trust a news organization that is owned by GE…you remember the same GE that has billions in invested in “green technology” and is and has been supporting Obama and his “green policy” like CAP&TRADE…They should be running disclaimers with all their broadcasts about how they stand to benefit financially from Obama’ social engineering policies.

When did MADDOW show the “Acorn videos” as that was what my comment was about in the first place. What does a PhD have to do with any of this? AS usual, nothing. Did you even read my comment before you made your usual, off subject response?

Rod, actually, I saw that show, and she was only pointing out, that the group who associated with the OKC bomber lived in a area about fifteen miles away. Some of the people did act surprised that a gun was being displayed, but I really didn’t think she was trying to rally anyone to be angry or upset. Curious yes, upset no.

EYES…I couldn’t disagree with your assessment of their reporting more. They showed that clip for days, on almost everyone of the shows, and kept pushing the point about how WHITE RACISTS were threatening Obama with their guns. It wasn’t until they got called out by fox that they back off.

Wasn’t Bill Clinton – “I never had sex with that woman” – a Rhodes Scholar?

Now at least I understand where Eyes gets her/his warped info – Air America Radio and MSNBC.

Dave, no worse than your Faux news which produces dittoheads.

Dave, you are so narrow minded, it is truly amazing. One person commits a crime and now any person with that title, or profession is also guilty of that offense. Yes, Dave all the Ph.D. in the world are guilty of having affairs, because one did. Your logic is descried to the max.

EYES….The word is CABAL…Look it up.

You don’t watch anything but Fox, how would you have seen them? LOL

NORM…SO fair and OPEN debate is far right?

Just goes to show why some people should be required to pass a competency test before they are allowed to vote…

You’d love red-china Norm. They think just like you do.

Fox:
Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, VanSustrand, Britt Hume, Chris Wallace. Hell there’s no bias there. Not much truth either.

Hannity is a commentator that has respectful debates with those of opposing views. At least he allows for others to have opinions that don’t agree with him. Bob Beckle is one of his best friends and most frequent guests.

Beck is a commentator and had just as much to say about Bush. What don’t you understand that the media is supposed to be our agent for aggresive and insightful questioning of the Government. You’d rather take the Alinski approach because he’s not drinking the same punch as you.

O’Rielly I see nothing unfair about his coverage of Obama (but I have seen him be onesided when it comes to pot). He is asking questions that need to be answered. Surely the “most transparent president in history” can answer a few critical question? Fair probably, balanced definately…He often has that idiot Dr. Marc La Mont Hill on his show to tow the Colored-Liberal-line.

Van Sustrend..SHE VOTED FOR OBAMA, but she also realizes she has a journalistic duty to ask the tough question. You may remember how the media used to be a watch dog…not a lapdog like it is now.

Britt Hume, Chris Wallace…again these guys are the MOST fair and balanced reporters you will find on TV. Can you say that Oberman, Mattews, Blitzer, Kouric are anywhere near as fair and balanced as these guys when it comes to reporting for the people and not towing the liberal line?

Rod, I do remember when the media was a watch dog – I miss those days…when we didn’t know what the journalist were thinking but did know the news they actually reported. It’s very sad. And I started to watch FOX when the other news channels really stopped reporting the news during the early days of the wars and began more of a “yellow journalism” style. Having two Army kids (now serving in Afghanistan) made me want to get what I felt to be more accurate news reporting and yes, I know there are those that would disagree with me…and that’s their prerogative.

I just started watching the news again this past year, mainly out of concern for our country. For too many years, news has been full of negative reporting or mis-information. All to often celebrities get all of the press, mostly negative.
I was really impressed with Obamas early campaign speeches until a close friend said something that opened my eyes to check out Obama’s background. I was stunned, and started to realize what he said and what he will do might not be the same. I know now that I am right.
All of the dots are connected and two names are joined together at the end. Obama and Soros. No matter where I look on the internet, the answers point to the beliefs and ideals of these two men.

I have watched CNN, MSNBC, and FOX regularly for almost a year. MSNBC is far left, CNN is left and FOX is on the conservative right.
FOX will beat the other two when it comes to reporting threats to our freedom and isn’t fearful of crossing the line and telling their audience the facts, sometimes with a right spin, plain and simple. MSNBC never heard of a threat on American freedom and CNN might hit the edges once in awhile.

During the campaign, Fox News commentators tried to warn us about the people who surrounded Obama as well as the Chicago politics he came out of. They played clips of Reverend Wright of whose church Obama was a member for 20 years. Listening to the words of that preacher was chilling.
One of his friends/acquaintances was Bill Ayres, the home grown terrorist and now university professor. Obama claimed he barely knew Ayres. But Ayres is now claiming he actually wrote Obama’s book, so they obviously knew each other better than Obama claims.

American Citizen, so many voters were mesmerized by all of the slick promises(lies) and empty rhetoric and put their trust in this man without ever knowing who he was or what or who he really represents.
Thanks mainly goes to FOX and to posts on the internet like the Personal Liberty Digest there is much more to discover. Watching the news, CNN, MSNBC and FOX present extroardinary differances in how the MSM presents the political news. Mostly, those reports are based on who they have decided to bed down with.

I fear for Glenn Beck. He is a brave man. Evil people do not like being discovered and they are capable of anything. I was married to one at one time, and another is a sibling of mine, so I have personal experience with those kind.

DaveH, the thought process of our representatives has never been clearer than now. America has always been considered a leader of the free world. Americans have always cherished their freedom. Freedom in America has been eroding as more and more people become wholly dependent for governments support. This administration has taken advantage of the weakest and promised an “equal distribution” of wealth. Government run Health Care is the “Feature Presentation” to our loss of freedom and a complete intrusive government takeover of our freedoms and our lives, and is uconstitutional. This administration’s intent is to ignore the Constitution as it only stands in the way of their goals of “fundamental change”.
Our only hope is to keep the pressure on our representatives and don’t give up. In the end, I hope that, we can all make a differance and make our forefathers proud of their accomplishments.
God Bless America! May we rid our country of all traitors!

There is a lot of evil in government for sure and in both parties. As a citizen of the great state of Connecticut, I must admit that I am very disappointed in both of my senators.
There is also a lot of evil being spread by hate radio and a number of people on this blog.

Take a close look in the mirror.

Norm, telling the truth about what this administration is doing to this country is not hate speech, You people had better wake up before you are bound into slavery to the Feds.

Tell it like it is! Good for you, we need people to wake up and smell the coffee!
America is getting the bums rush into SOCIALISIM. DIDN’T WORK FOR RUSSIA CANNOT WORK FOR US, WE AMERICANS HAVE NEVER BEEN SLAVES TO THE STATE. THE GOVERNMENT WORKS FOR US, SUPPOSEDLY?!

Don’t worry, nobody bothers with mentally impaired. His biggest fear should be that he’ll get “netted” and hauled away to the funny farm.

Dave, you fear for an entertainment commentator, (he stated on Barbara Walters show that he wasn’t a Journalist and he didn’t have to check facts for truth, hence the title commentator) but you don’t for your President? Your values are a little skewed.

Baaa Baaa Baaa

EYES…I beleive Dave’ fear for Beck comes FROM OBAMA and his Chicago style thuggery. It may only be a matter of time before ACORN or SEIU does something on the behalf of Obama and the Socialist movement. They want the lights turned back off. It’s to hard for them to operate with the scrutiny that Beck is bringing.

KEEP SHINING THE LIGHT OF TRUTH BECK!!!

Rod the Other, thought you might find this an amusing read on another Personal Liberty Post, “Senate Votes Against Additional Wall On U.S.-Mexico Border”.
eyeswideopen says:
October 31, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Denniso, Rod the Other, would certainly be a challenge that you would enjoy.
eyeswideopen says:
November 1, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Dennis,He is on another post, He thinks he is an economic wiz kid. It would be interesting if you two conversed.

Yeah I saw some if his posts at the top of this topic and the guys is a real piece of work. I find his reasoning and debating style to be along the lines of neeneer neeneer neeneer.
I almost went into that thread a few days ago, but I don’t think I can remain civil. I’ve had all of the immigration discussion with people that actually have a mind and I find the open borders people to be the most closed minded of all. ALL THEY OFFER IS HALF-BAKED IDEAS. “Like everyone has the right to work”. But the just can’t seem to hear that coming here without legal stats is stealing, and unfair to everyone hear legally.

Someone called Rod the Other…claimed that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd brought about this recession and democrats in general are more responsible than Repubs.
First, let’s not forget that the collapse started in Shrub’s term. Reagan probably did the most deregulating of our financial system of anyone but it is true that up to the crash most people as well as economists thought we had created a new paradigm for our economy…that we had refined our capitalist system to the point where a huge crash like ’29 couldn’t happen ever again. Greenspan,a libertarian follower of Ayn Rand’s bogus philosophy, lead the way. Dems and Repubs alike helped to deregulate along the way..but Shrub had 6 yrs of total control,until ’06, and he went many steps further. He and Cheny literally put the foxes in charge of the henhouse…former corporate people put into regulatory positions overseeing industries they came from..The SEC made it clear they weren’t interested in investigating any fraud or corruption allegations.There were literally regulators ‘sleeping’ with industry people,rather than doing their job of oversight.
Don’t forget,Bush(shrub)had total control from ’00 to ’06…Barney Frank and Dodd had almost none. Bush stood back and let the inferno build, as did Greenspan…they had the power to do something about the over heated economy and housing market..they did nothing, and the collapse came w/ Bush in office.
The only good thing he did during his whole presidency was to start the necessary but very distasteful bailout that helped stabilize the economy. All Obama is trying to do now is save capitalism for the capitalists,by continuing what Bush began.

DaveH is worried about poor, helpless Beck…it was Beck who on his show went through a little skit imagining what it would feel like to choke Michael Moore to death while he looked into his eyes. Beck is nothing more than a hack filling up his bank acct off of the hatred he engenders among people like you who are looking for someone to demonize because they feel put upon.

American, do you remember Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker? Both are doing jail time and many of our politicians were followers of theirs. Are you saying that all of them are morally reprehensible? No, you aren’t drawing that conclusion. You cannot hold people responsible for others actions and language. We are all accountable for our own thoughts, language and deeds. If you know me, socialized with me and suddenly found out I was corrupt, do you think you should be judged by my actions? Of course not. I have experienced many people who have deceived and mislead me during the course of my life, and have not been held accountable for their actions.

Libertytrain…If you only have one hour a day to spend watching TV I suggest the Glen Beck program… I hope that he is wrong, but the evidence supports his claims.
From the mouth of Obama, “if you want to know who I am, look at who I surround myself with…” When you start to look, it gets VERY scary who we have in the whitehouse! Chicago politics are now national!

Rod the Other – thanks – I have seen him, just don’t get to watch TV much right now – I’ll try to catch him again as soon as the op arises

RTO, you are joking of course??Beck is as far from being a responsible journalist as you are…don’t tell a gullible person that there is anything to be learned from that shill.

DENNISO…I have no reason to beleive that you would undertsand the difference from a commentator (which Beck & I are), and a Journalist (which neither of us say we are). So I won’t even bother…Isn’t there something on MSNBC you could be watching.

I like the way you think! Preach on, Brother.

Rod–my comment was aimed at you but your name got left off. Sorrrry!

Well Thank you Maggie…Is there any particular RANT you’d like me to expand on?

ROD..You and Beck are commentators? impressive!! I thought he was a hack hatemonger and you were just his little sidekick.

Dennyo,

Again, you can not come back with an intellegent, FACT BASED response here either, just as you didn’t above. You are like a screaming kid in a supermarket who didn’t get their own way. Do you roll on the floor and stamp your feet too?

Although I really don’t like doing it myself, it appears that the only way you can communicate is to criticize and denigrate. Hope I’ve made you happy in my responses to you.

Haven’t you noticed yet, just about everyone has left this “Discussion”? Even Eyeswideopen (deer in the headlights stare, closed mind) and Norm realized they were out of their league and stopped posting. I believe I’ll join everyone else and let you play by yourself. Maybe you can talk to BO, like he’ll listen. Ta ta

LIBERTYTRAIN….Just remember that the ignorant are usually the loadest and when they aren’t getting their way they begin to scream…I suggest a good set of ear plugs.

AAHh…That should read “loudest”. I guess it was a freudina slip…I do believe ignorant people to be loads (of sh**) as well.

Rod the Other – yes, I’ve kind of noticed that in the comments as well — from ALL viewpoints – comes through in their posts and almost wish I had earplugs sometimes—

Using your own standard of shouters/screamers being the most ignorant,I suggest you and the others go back and read and make your own judgement as to who is doing most of that and, therefore by your edict, the most ignorant. It sure as hell isn’t Eyes or Norm.

DENNISO…I would have to say, now that you’ve joined this thread, that you are. You by far have the most vaccus posts. You don’t offer anything for discussion or consideration, you just ridicule and belittle. I find your posts to be completely lacking a serious merit for discussion.
Can you at least once offer up something that is based on fact and informative? You have essentially stated that the Copenhagen agreement will not usurp American soverignty..AND YOU COULDN’T BE MORE WRONG…your just a liberal shill.

Rod, Thanks for the welcome..Sticks and stones…

DENNISO…”sticks and stone”? Very fitting…but I was actually expecting Neener neener neener…

denniso – you haven’t been on that long – at least as denniso – there’s been a lot of cleaning up by all parties in their written words – again, by all parties.

Obama and his cronies have become so “enamored” with Fox and their crew, why won’t they appear with them, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and dispell the lies that are being told about this administration. I have heard the invitations to appear and/or debate. They won’t and can’t because the accusations by Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity are true.

Thomas Jefferson

Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.

Norm,
Show me the facts on those networks. Your general statements hold as much water as a bucket with not bottom!!!!

McCain was really the choice of the media, because he is DE-CRAP Lite.

that couldn’t be more true….LOL

I always felt that McCain was just he lesser of two evils.

Are you telling me that we let the media pick our candidate? Come on, it was the party, making a decision that was totally wrong for this point in history. Then to compound it, we tried something sly and picked Palin. By you assigning blame to the media for our choice, it makes me crazy. When in the hell are we going to accept responsibility for our actions and decisions? Can’t we just say, yep, we screwed up and didn’t pick Romney or Huckabee. We can’t even admit that we didn’t pick Romney because he is Mormon. That is the only conclusion to arrive at when you look at his qualifications. No affairs, financially independent, tremendous business man, experienced governing, family man, not old (lol), attractive, no corruption found, but the one drawback for this party, was he isn’t a Baptist, he is a Mormon. If that isn’t the reason, someone please tell me why we didn’t like him?

EYES…I wuna give you a big hug, your not really a LIB (maybe). I think both statements are correct. The party picked him because he was doing-well and accepted-by the media. The GOP thought they could win with him because he “works across the ailse” and the liberal media was more than willing to give him facetime because his beliefs are not that far from theirs. The media was showing the “fair minded Repub” McCann in an effort to compare him to the “media touted” twins of evil Bush/Chenney. And being the little sheep that the Repubs have become, they were more intersted in furthering the party than doing what is right for the country… It’s just another way the Repubs have lost their way, and another reason ti not support any of them. If they want my support back they’ll have to earn it with action, not words…Micheal Steal is an IDIOT and going to keep them going down the whore-politician path.

No, it wasn’t the MSM that promoted McCain (sarcasm). It was just a figment of my imagination that every time I looked at a political program whether CNN or ABC or any other during the 2008 primaries there was John McCain. And just as coincidentally, once he won the Republican primary, he virtually disappeared from those same stations.

What????? Dave, first you accused the MSM of only covering the Liberal Obama, now you are saying they covered the Republican candidate? What are you changing your mind and acknowledging that the other networks actually did their jobs?

I suggest that you reread my comment with your eyes open this time.

EYES…it is a well (but recently) documented fact the the MSM gives coverage of the left at a 3 to 1 ratio compared to the right.
Further more that coverage is positive greater then 70% of the time.

Rod the Other
I agree. McCain’s view of war is the only major difference between him and Obama. In fact, in some areas, McCain is left of Obama.
But the same thing happened with the Bush Kerry election. Almost anybody, except Kerry, could have beaten Bush.

I Don’t think that anyone coud have beaten Bush. Despite what the media pushed about him, He’s not that dumb. I think the biggest problem Bush had was his cronyism.
Obama suffers from the same cronyism but it is much worse and instead of appointing business people he’s appointing socialist, chicago style thugs.

Rod the other
Bush barely beat Kerry. If it weren’t for the swift boat stuff, Kerry would have won. I personally had no use for either of them. I actually voted for Bush the first time. I’m a centrist registered Republican. But the Republican party has been hijacked by the right wing nuts like Jeffh and DaveH and even guys like Gingrich and others are getting the message. The message is that extremists of either party, and Obama is not one, will never win the presidency.

UN-NORM-al, first off, I am a conservative not a Republican as you have assumed. Secondly, John Kerry received upwards of $15 millions in legal donations just from George Soros to defeat Bush and Bush stiil beat the pidgeon. I never said I liked or supported Bush, but I also realize Bush hasn’t been the only President to make mistakes with our government, whether intentional or not or Rebublican or Democrat.

NORM…I’m not going to debate you on the elections and who won by how much because it is pointless and we can throw comments back and forth ALL DAY AND NIGHT.

But to Obama not being an EXTREMIST….ARE YOU SERIOUS.

He belives that the Constitution is a flawed document because it puts constraint on the Government ( or as he says, “…outlines a list of NEGATIVE LIBERTIES). He believes it should state what the, “Government MUST do on your behalf”!

He believes that REPARATIONS is bad. But not because it unfairly punishes people that had nothing to do with it and no control over it, but because it DOESN”T GO FAR ENOUGH!

He wants to impose CAP & TRADE because he believes this will promote SOCIAL JUSTICE. Even though he admittedly knows energy costs will, “…SKY ROCKET” (his words), if it is passed. By the way, did you know that if it does pass your electricity bill will increase by ATLEAST 90%?!

He beleives “…spreading the wealth around” is good for everyone. He wants to take from the producers and give it to the non-producers. What do you think this will do to INCENTIVE (which is the driving force behind American success)?….It will crush it. Why would you work harder or longer if it is just going to be taken from you and given to somebody else? Oh and by the way, this will shrink the availability of resources in this country. Which is what his CZAR Cass Senstein believes in anyway….Look it up. He think we need to comsume less so other countries can have it!

HIS EXTREMISM goes on and on and on and on and on….My brain is about to explode trying to decide what to include in this post and what to leave out!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK AT THE PEOPLE HE HAS AROUND HIM…..HIS APPOINTMENTS……….THEY ARE ALL EXTREMISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NORM….the question is not how biased a COMMENTATORS views are, it is how openly & honestly they debate them. BECK & HANNITY can both claim this, the other “NEWS” organizations can’t

NORM…I beleive the “VOODOO” economics your referring to are “tickle-down”?
If so, I would like to ask you the last time you were employed by a poor person, or even someone that made less money then you. I won’t wait for an answer on that one because you can’t!

It is a fact that those with the wealth are the creators of the jobs, and this is the basic fundamental of trickle-down economics.

Everytime a rich person buys something many jobs are created. Example: a boat he/she employs boat makers, raw material MFR, electronics MFR, electricians, painters, welders, repair people…etc. This is a VERY miopic example but it makes the point, you have to have money to make money!

If you can’t understand this then your lost…..& probably shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

Sean Hannity’s favorite poll.

Do you think that may be because it has a strong track record of being accurate?

LMAO.

Don’t state the facts, Norm and his ilk wouldn’t have a clue!

EYESWIDESHUT & NORM…This Thomas Jefferson quote is for you:

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.

The Rassmusen poll has been the most accruate in elections for many years. They were within 1% of calling the last 3 presidential elections.

Nobody asked me why I was laughing, I found it funny that we are discussing a poll. Hit a funny bone. But apparently Rod took offense and is attacking me again. Why does everyone jump to the worst conclusions possible on this site. Paranoia is running rampant.

Just maybe nobody really cares!

EYES..You give yourself to much credit…I didn’t take offense and I most certainly didn’t attack you. I just thought it was an appropriate quote

…Does this mean we’re not guna snuggle tonight? Don’t be mad at me sweetness…you know you have my heart..

I guess I do have to admit that when I hear someone I perceive to be a liberal….LMAO…I do recieve that as derition and refutement of a statement.

I suppose that prompted that quote, because it’s typical for liberal minds to close their minds and belittle anything they do not agree with.

Rod,
Tell me you were kidding about the ‘snuggling’ part. I think that might make you gay, lol. Or if Eyes is indeed a woman (I doubt that), then I would have to feel sorry for you as well as her husband.

LOL…it only makes me gay if I get (WORD REMOVED)!
Come on DaveH are you telling me you don’t want to give a hug to all those unfortunate kids at the special olympics. Their all a bunch of special little guys and gals that just need to be shown(WORDS REMOVED)

Dave, I have never doubted you about any personal item you have shared with us, I even felt sorry for what your wife did to you. But you can’t even grant me the same respect. I am a woman, and if this is the treatment that you Libertarians are going to give people, then I will fight your party with everything I have. You and Jeff, along with some of the others stoop to the level of trying to degrade and disrespect when you are frustrated. I acted the same way you do for a couple of days, and caught all kinds of hell. I had people telling me they could see a change in me. I could have made many nasty statements about your treatment of your wife,inferring maybe you beat her that’s why she left, but I didn’t. I could have made fun of Jeff for not getting accepted into the military, but I didn’t. Enjoy your humor at the expense of others, but don’t expect them to give any credence to you or your party.

Eyes,
You can dish it out, but you can’t take it.

eyeswideopen, you are as guilty as anyone on this post for agitating, not answering direct questions, name calling and twisting the very words that some commentors write. You and your lefty buddies all make assumptions and when confronted, most often you go off subject or justify your answers with questions or examples of what the ever evil Republicans have done.
Feel free to make fun of me for not being drafted. I am not the least bit ashamed, and I was a patriot then also. It was a relief to me at the time, and certainly justified by the draft board. Besides, I doubt that you would be able to understand what a 1-H classification means.

It’s the only real answer!

DaveH I understand your caution against being rash. But, out here in California we have a republican party that actively sought to raise the taxes, but knowing it would cause problems at the voting booth, they “selected” who in the party that would offer the fianl 3 votes to pass the new taxes.
The dems needed 3 votes to get it passes. The Repubs had all signed a “no new taxes” pledge. I think the reubs though it politically expedient to give the 3 votes that would pass the taxes and let the Dems suffer for it later.

The bigger problem here is, is that the party faithful are willing to play games with OUR lives in order to further the party.

The only solution the way I see it is to not let ANY politician spend enough time in office to be able to gain the inside knowledge that will allow them to “GAME” to system. ANY incumbent should be purged this time around…and we should impose a STRICT 2 term limit…
The Government is supposed to be, “of the people, by the people, for the people”. To allow for career politicians is to allow that belief to be minimize and eventually eradicated…Like it is today.

Rodthe other, Dave, is just trying to protect Ron Paul, who got 75 million in earmarks for his district in Texas. Ron acted just like all the other incumbents and Dave doesn’t want him to lose his seat, as Ron, is actually a Libertarian in Republican clothes. I agree, vote them all out. We definately need some younger representatives who know what it is like to not be a millionaire and only get an average increase in their salaries of 3.8% a year for ten years.

yeah…That’ll fix them huh EYESWIDESHUT? Maybe we can get a bunch of liberal arts grads from Berkely to make ALL of the important decisions about our economy. That way we can stick-it to the man and be all warm and fuzzy inside about how we were just trying to make things equal. You know, SOCIAL JUSTICE…does that sound good to you.

Why the H*ll would “young” be a decisive criterion for appointment? Is it because young people who don’t have anything support redistributive policy far more than older people. If someone isn’t worth more than 3.8% over 10 years, then I question why you’d want to employ them in the first place. AND WHY would you think that a person who can’t demand better than 3.8% over 10 years is fit to run a Government that is founded on the principle of Capitalism?

How about us going back to the spirit of our founding fathers and appointing people to office that run businesses. Particulary small business. The overwhelming employer of people and generators of wealth is small business…These are the people largely spoken of in, “of the people, for the people, by the people”.

Quote from T. Jefferson:
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

We need to vote them all out, (both parties), because many of them have , “BEEN THERE TOOOOOOOOOO LONG”. They have the Washington Belt Line mentality. Too many under the table, or back room deals are made to keep them in office and for their personal benifit, not for the benefit of WE THE PEOPLE!!!

Rod, you don’t read very well, I said younger. Meaning not 72 years old. You sure jump to conclusions don’t you? Not Millionaires but knowing some who only have made a 3.8& increase. In other words, able to relate to everyone in the spectrum. I really don’t care if they are millionaires as long as they don’t vote on issues pertaining to their own finances. It would be nice if my Congressman didn’t have so many houses or cars that he can’t tell me how many he has. To be able to govern well, you have to be able to relate to the masses the majority of whom aren’t wealthy. Please note again, I never said anything about liberal arts, you are projecting your hatred of liberals on to me. What you are describing is exactly what I was stating, only obviously I don’t speak as well as you, or else you wouldn’t have felt the need to attack me. I am an admirer of Thomas Jefferson, so I know most of his well known quotes. You don’t have to bother using those to try and influence me.

Ok EYES..If you like we can pul back the teeth and try again at debating the issue rather than denegrating each other.

But first let me say, that I am a very good reader, with excellent comprehension.

I respectfully disagree that a politician needs to identify with the people. What I think politician needs to due is understand that the Constituion is the finest document ever written and that it needs to be adhered to as much as humanly possible. It is impossible to relate to everyone in the system, someone will get shorted by politicians trying to please everyone. The only way to go about Governing in accordance with the Constitution is to minimize Governmental intrusion. If our Government was run more akin to a sport, we would have a much better outcome. The rules need to be applied evenly and equally. No rule shoud seek to take from one because the other does have.
Take a look at football…A lineman will never be as successful a running back as someone that has the inherent skills of a running back and vise-versa. To impose rules that say, “well the running back doesn’t have the size of a lineman, but he’s still going to play the line and when he touches the running back, the running back just has to fall down to make it fair”. doing so would crush the quality of the game, but this is the kind of “leveling the playing field” that Obama is seeking.

Rod the Other, I find your comments well written, informative and refreshing, and also see that you are trying to keep it somewhat civil. Unfortunately, after repeated attempts to twist your words, put words in your mouth, or call you an idiot, you will lose that civility once in awhile. There are some, and you are intelligent enough to figure it out, that take the critisism and labeling of OBAMA and his cronies personally, and will try to attack and ridicule you to no end. Sometimes you just have to give it all back a little stronger.

Ok, how do you propose to reduce the government spending? When someone like Ron Paul took the 75 million in earmarks, it confirmed that every single one of them in office have given up their ethics, political beliefs and can be bought with money, as their main goal is to stay in power (office). How can you stop the needs of the states and the efforts of the Congressmen to supply those needs? It is impossible to change the way we do business until we turn over the old guard. How can you get the people to accept a lower standard of living due to not getting federal assistance?

First off…Thank You Kindly JEFFH.

Secondly…Your comment about turing over the old guard couldn’t be more true.
The Constitution state that those powers that are not granted by the Constitution remain with the states. While congress did give itself the power to tax through a constitutional amendment. The underlying principle of the Constitution is to come together to from a united defense against foreign threat. To that end, I think we stop all the FEDERAL spending by making the FEDERAL Gov. live within the constraint that the only monies they can confiscated and therefore spend are limited to those monies which are spent on a united defense, national disaster relief, or things that are for the protection of the inhabitants of all states (there’s a lot to cover here, so I am broad-brushing). Governmental is supposed to be strongest where it is closest to the people it affects. The chain of power should go Local Gov, County Gv, State Gov, and THEN FEDERAL GOV. Right now that is all upside down and the FED is the most powerful. This would end earmarks and return the power to the rightful owners…The people. Beleive it or not, this would raise the standard of living for ALL those that aren’t looking to the Government for an entitlement payment.

Also, I am not defending Ron Paul but it’s one of those things…how long can you stand in the rain leaning against your ethics while watching all the pigs at the trough eat & eat until there is no food left? At some point you are cutting your nose off to spite your face if you don’t take some yourself…It is a SICK reality. And that’s why we have to stop them because they can’t stop themselves. Drug addicts don’t stop willingly, someone has to step in.

Rod, if I used your justification for Ron Paul, it could probably be applied to a large number of Congressmen. Ethics is ethics. Everyone eventually gets tired of standing by at the trough and watching others eat, but the moral resist and do not partake. That is what is wrong with this country, we have lost our ethics. Just because everyone is doing it, does not make it right. What is ironic, is that Ron Paul, got the largest amount in earmarks when he got the 75 million. He was one of the few who I still had faith in, and now he has become a regular Republican feeding at the trough and critizing others doing the same.

Well EYES…I think that the appropriate path here is to address the cause not the symptom. If we remove the ability for the FEDERAL Gov to have earmarks we cure the cause.
I have lost faith in the ETHICS of pretty much ALL politicians. I saw a study just a few months ago that was done by a panel of phycologists. It concluded that the personality traits of a politician are EXACTLY the same traits of a SERIAL KILLER…Comforting isn’t it. A politician can look you straight in the face and lie to you about “that’s not my hand on the knife in your back”…”uh, I was pulling it out, even though it feels like I’k pushing it deeper”. The power needs to be returned to the people.

Two Quotes from Jefferson that I think apply well here:

Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

EyesWideShut,
Yada, Yada, Yada.

Am I the only one on this site that can see through Eyes’ charade?
Please tell me ‘no’.
She/he is a lefty masquerading as an ex-Republican because she/he thinks it lends more credence to her/his comments.

I’ve been thinking that the whole time…No EX-repub, who is supposedly sick of the camp fires the Repubs have been setting in the last number of years would say, “ok now I’m going to burn the whole village down and sid ewith Obama because the Repubs pisses me off”. It is a very flimsy disguise and easily seen through if your paying attention.
But that’s alright, Let em play and maybe the reality of how wrong liberalism is will hit him/her like a ton of bricks. How long can you listen to good logic before it begins to creap in and become a part of your thinking? Poor logic just leaves you feeling like a fool when you step out of the echo chamber (read MSNBC).

I figure there are two kinds of Liberals who are promoting this government theft:
1) the ones who feed at the trough – immoral.
2) the ones who don’t feed at the trough – immoral and not too bright.

That is why it is necessary to “do the research” to cast ones vote wisley.

He’s not only absent in church, he’s mostly absent in the White House. How many miles has he logged in Air Force 1 since he took office? How many carbon footprints has he put into the environment? he travels around to keep from making the hard decisions. He’s relying on computer war games to make his decision on Afghanistan.

That’s cuz Bush could golf worth a crap. But I do like that he actually works and doesn’t take as many vacation days as Bush did.

He does not have to take vacations, because he is on ONE BIG VACATION!!! A MENTAL ONE!!!!!

Your wrong again NORM. I don’t go to church, or ascribe to any faith…SO I’m not just a bible thumper saying this.
Christianity calls for converstion of the hethans.
Islam (muslum) calls for their destruction and death.
GEE which faith sounds like the religion of peace (not rest in peace).

Obama just decided that it was best not to be seen with his Rev. Wright. He has probably set up “video hate” worshiping with Wright instead. Any computer with a web cam will do the trick.

JeffH
At least he’s not a “born again” drunk like his predecessor. Bush still isn’t sure he believes in evolution.

Hey Norm…You can be a born-again drunk and still beleive in the free-market and US Constitution.
There is a lot of evidence that Obama is dismantling the free-market system along with the Constitution and all it stands for.

Rodthe other, the free market as already been descimated and while it was happening you and the rest of us, were asleep at the wheel.

Brilliant response! NOT!

EYESWIDESHUT…Another ASSUMPTION from you huh. How dare you think that you have the omnition to know what I think or what I was aware of.
I can tell from the posts your leaving here, your nothing more than an aggitater. I find people like you worthless for discussion. Your an Alinsky devotee.

So your response about the free-market being ground out by socialist policy is “so what”?

If you are pretending that you support the free-market, why does you post have the sentiment of “it’s dead and done, now onto the next thing”?

Rodthe other, where did I say dead and done and now on to the next thing? Are you sure you are attacking the right person? Let me know.

Rod The Other, a nice article in my email from The Heritage Foundation today : Newsweek reports that leftist financier George Soros plans to spend $50 million to remove free-market ideas from economic debates. But as National Review Online columniss Veronique de Rugy writes, “I think Soros’s fortune would be better used trying to get the government out of the market.”
You can link the article: http://members.myheritage.org/site/R?i=etp9sWNiqoS2LBuACThmMw..

Awesome….Thanks for the link!

You mean like his Blackberry? The one he can take pictures with? The one he can send pictures to anybody with? the one he can send emails to all his friends with? The one that they say they monitor? TO MAKE SURE HE IS HONEST WITH AMERICA? LMFAO

DENNISO…If you only seek to attack and offer no intelligent matter for a discussion then just go back to your liberal seminar and drink the punch and stay in your echo chamber.
All of the others here, whether they agree or disagree are engaging in DISCUSSION and debate. Not SAL ALINSKI like attacks. Find something that has fact behind it or go away…NO ONE NEEDS AGITATORS IN A CIVIL DEBATE!

Rod, this is a person called Dennis, it is not the one you hate, called denniso. You might want to apologize as Dennis is on your side.

THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT EYES.

DENNIS…Many, many appologizes. When I scrolled up I must have confused your comment as being “attached” to another.
I am very sorry for the mistake, I was WAY to quick on the gun. I’m trying to go through to many posts to fast.
Again Sorry…

Question NORM: When was the last time you were in a church, to evaluate what really happens in a church?? And if you have been was it a real Christian Church that is a Bible based church, or one of the many “Feel Good Churches” that do not believe in the Bible, or only believe the parts they want to, and ignor the rest of it???
I will tell you that I am a Born Again Christian that is very active in a Bible based church.

Norm,
You are as wrong as a four foot yard stick. You don’t know the first thing about Christianity.

Oh but it does matter when your (religion ???) is one whose stated objective is to kill all Christians and destroy the USA(The great Satan)
and fly airplanes into the NY Towers and ( craft they could never build themselves)
What is even more revolting is to pretend to be a Christian while plotting t0 destroy Christianity the Foundation of this Great Nation.

You and I know who the real power and money is behind Obama. Two peas in a pod!

It matters a great deal. Muslims want Sharia law. Some European countries are letting them have it. They had better wake up before it’s too late. The goal of the Muslims is to make the whole world Muslim.

You did way to much acid in your day!

Is it break-time at the trough Norm?

DaveH
I made every penny I have, and I have a few. I earned two degrees, worked as an engineer, and raised a family. No help from you required.

Norm..If that is the case, I am having a hardtime reconciling your views with your achievements. You do realize that your views seem to aspouse that you can’t succeed without the government and when you do, your supposed to give it to the government so they can give it to those in need.
Under Obama noone will be able to follow your path. Once you become successful your a bad guys and it needs to be commandered by the government for the great collective?
Can you please explain?

Rodthe other, you people are all assuming that for years, those of us that are successful, stood in food stamp lines, or got some kind of federal assistance. Hard work is what got us to this position. I haven’t gotten a damn thing from my government ever! I have been a tax paying, Republican all my adult life and thought I belonged to a fiscally responsible party. My error. If you think that keeping the same Congressmen in power who caused this mess, is the smart thing, then grab you butt and sign over all your assets to the Corporate Raiders who are controling this country. The Fed Reserve, who was headed by the Republicans, from Goldman Sach (look at the history) have let the markets run free with no restraints and this is what we have. I don’t even believe we should have a Fed, but some people love it as they can manipulate it to their advantage.Presently we have the exact situation that Thomas Jefferson warned us about. The Banks own and control everything, including our Congressmen. Even Alan Greenspan admitted that thinking the banks would monitor and restrain themselves from corruption and greed, was an illogical theory. This situation has been building since the 1980′s and we failed to learn from the Savings and Loan debacle. Which cost us 124.6 billion. 747 institutions had to be saved by Bush Sr. The industry was deregulated and it cost 124.6 billion. We just don’t learn, we don’t want to look back at our mistakes and analyze what went wrong, we just blindly make the same mistakes over and over again. It is so ironic that the year (1999) that we finally paid off the Savings and Loan debt, we then deregulated the Banking and Investment industry. Problem made worse as it affected our stock market worse than the piddlely Saving and Loan did. Go, figure, get those blinders on and let’s blame anyone but ourselves as we can’t find anything that we were wrong about.

It is TROLLS like Norm and eyeswideopen and their ilk that make all of the “assumptions”. It becomes obvious everytime they open their pie holes.

eyeswideopen…the name you have given your self is obviously sarcasim. Your response to my post made no sense and you obvioulsy did not read it before you decided to comment on it.

Let me simplify it for you…If you think the Government is going to fix anything your wrong! If you think Government handouts help anyone but but those who refuse to help themsevles your wrong! the only thing the Government is succeful at is screwing things up and convincing people the “other party” is to blame for the problem.

EYES WIDE SHUT COMMENTED: “you people are all assuming that for years, those of us that are successful, stood in food stamp lines, or got some kind of federal assistance”.
The only people that make that kind of assumption are Socialists. I believe in personal responsibilty and as MINIMAL Government intervention into our personal lives as possible…BASICALLY A UNITED DEFENCE AGINST FOREIGN THREAT.
AND who are the “You People…” your talking about?

I’m trying real hard to not take a sh***y tone with you, but I find it hard to talk rationaly to the irrational!!!
READ MY POST AGAIN AND GET BACK TO ME….BY THE WAY, MY POST ABOVE SPEAKS OF VOTING ALL THE INCUMBENTS OUT OF OFFICE…WE NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE.

Expousing that you can’t succeed without the government and when you do, you want to give it to others that don’t have blah blah. blah You can’t be successful if the monopolies are price fixing, and the Banks are acting as casinos, playing with our money and deceiving us. Some regulation is required, as men cannot control greed, and they sure can’t hold themselves to a standard of restraint required to avoid corruption.A great example of self monitoring is our present situation. Banking Industry performed with self requlating restraint and kept itself in check, hardly. Maybe you could poll the other countries who were drawn into our mess and see what they think of our self controling market? You are a Libertarian and you can’t accept the fact that a free running market failed and almost put us into a depression. This whole situation ruins the whole Libertarian philosophy of free markets. Facts provide for logical premises or occurances which reason is derived from. I have never stated that I wanted government to give money to others, you are assuming that because you think I am a liberal. I am a pissed off Republican who can state that my party did not have a fiscally responsible moment during the 12 years they had conrol of Congress.

I want to take a second to point to a positive thing between us EYES… I am a registered Repub and like you I’m PISSED off at what the party has become. They have become what the Dems used to be and the DEMs have become progressive (which is decidedly worse).

With that said…I will never abandon my belief in the free-market. It has done more to advance the human race than any other system to date.
While we also agree that our free-market system is failing. I disagree that it is the system and instead point to the people in it. If you wear a slick suit, have a nice smile, have great hair, and say warm fuzzy words the ignorant majority will buy what is being sold hook line and sinker. We don’t need to abandon a system that has done so well for us, we need to get the bad apples out of the barrel…Starting with Obama and working through all of his kindred spirits.

EYESWIDESHUT…..I don’t know where your getting this from, but you couldn’t be MORE wrong:

“Expousing that you can’t succeed without the government and when you do, you want to give it to others that don’t have”.

That is not what I was saying in that post and never in my life have I believed that the Government is the answer for anything but their Constitutional mandate of a united defense! If I earned it, I get to decide who gets it!

Rodthe other, I have spent the past two hours researching info on the deregulation in 1999, and I have decided that I am wrong. I however do stand by the belief that the Savings and LOan crisis was caused by the deregulation in the 80′s. I believe in a free market, however, I don’t believe in the concept of too big to fail. I understand why we had to bailout the banks, but I don’t see how they will prevent another occurance of the same exact situation. My mind can’t even wrap around the fact that the market took years to get past the 10,000 mark, drops to 6800 and then within a year is back up to 10k. This has got to be bogus profits and is setting us up for another bubble which of course will burst, once again leaving us holding the gift bag. I do know that the corporate subsidies and our entitlement programs are adding to the financial mess but I was not able to find recommendations on how to prevent the same crisis in the near future. Can you recommend any sites? The Cato Institute only refuted the causes didn’t give it’s opinion on what caused it.

EYESWIDE OPEN…I don’t completely disagree that the deregulation was a part of the S&L debaucle…but that was a nasty web of contributing factors and I think it would take a REAL SHARP UNBIASED forensic auditor to put a fine point on ranking the contributing factors. But I believe the main catalist to the crisis was once again lowering of the lending & accounting critieria to allow for less credit worthy individuals to get loans, as outlined by the CDA / CRA, and less stringent accounting principles leading to over-valued assets (can you say derivatives?).
The agency that was at the forefront was American Thrifts (an organization that is akin to ACORN). They beleived they were more of an agent of social reform and caused a lot of volatility in the lending market. That volatiltiy lead to a lot of hanky-panky in accounting. When the market was deregulated it exposed the finacial weakness of these institutions. The intent of the deregulation was to allow (or force depending on your economic viewpoint) these institutions to “grow” out of their problem by way of market demand. But the results (unintended consequences) was they started offering more and more risky or diluted products and instead it got more “toxic”. Property lost vaule instead of “growing into”

EYESWIDE OPEN…Degregulation was intended to counteract the effects of the risky lending practices that ensued from the CDA/CRA. Banks began to over extend themselves because of interest rate wars started by the American Thrifts. The Amercian thrifts are similar to ACORN in that they viewed themselves as more of a social reform group than a lending institution. As a result of weakened lending and accounting criteria, the American Thrifts began to “over-state” (can you say derivative) their assets so they could continue & expand their social mission. Deregulation was passes with the intent of forcing them to “grow” out of their problem by continuing the increasing market value of their assets. It was thought that it would feed the value of housing and continue the growth. But, it actually exposed how weak the market was. Then two counteracting things happened. The American Thrifts started offering more risky products & the investors realizing that their assets were worth less than they though which they then started selling them. This caused the house market to crash and began the dominos tumbling. As usual, it was abandoning of free-market principles that harmed the free-market. American Thrifts, being a socialist organization, introduced a disease to the free-market system and extricating it was painful.

I am FULLY with you on the sentiment of too big to fail…If an organization is too big to fail then it is probably some sort of Monopoly, oligopoly, or something that is a threat to a TRUE free-market. In that case, it is too big to exist in the first place and intervention needs to happen…This is one of the VERY RARE instances the Government needs to step-in and protect its people.

I am conflicted on the bank bailouts…My initial reaction is let em fail…Some other wiser entity will pick its bones and they got what they deserved. But I have had many conversations with economists, bean counters and investors and have been talked off the ledge on this one. I finally arrived at, the banks that recieved bailout money should be ran business as usual (compete fairly with other banks), but all of their profits are to first and foremost be directed back to the US tax payer…no room for negotiation! It needs to be so painful that they never want to do it again!

The stock market is in flux right now…I’ve talk to many people on this and the most informed person has an opinion, back with quantificaton, that the market should be around 8,500 give or take. The market dropped to 6,500 because investors are scared that Obama is going to take their Capital gains or just break contract law again. If you take a close look at the businesses being invested in, most of them ARE NOT UNION. The market is up right now due to short term investing, people figure that Obama is being held up by the “party of NO” and isn’t going to get much done this year. Take a look, everytime Obama fails at pushing something the market rallys. If the bubble does burst, it will be because Obama got something like healthcare or CAP&TAX through.

Sorry, I can’t recommend any sites. I can only offer the suggestion that, would you / could you run your household the same way? Would you buy your daughter a motorcyle because your son rides his bike faster than she does?

Rod, I have been reviewing the government spending web site. From 1992 to 2000 the welfare spending went from 220.06 billion to 267.66 and increase of 47.60 billion, During time frame of 2000 to 2008, it went from 267.88 to 477.25 an increase of 209.59 billion. This is the reason why I cannot believe that Republicans can actually critize or accuse others of being socialists. What in the hell happened when Bush took control? We went wild. Do you have any explainations?
The website is: usgovernmentspending.com/downchart.

NORM…You still haven’t reconciled your socialist beliefs with your achievements under our beautiful CAPITALIST system. Should I keep waiting on a response from you or has EYESWIDESHUT been responding for you?

The bottom line of all this debating is that Government screws up most everything that it gets involved with. If Big Government was the solution, then why are we in the mess we’re in now? It sure couldn’t be much more involved than it already is.
It is so clear to me. I can’t understand why others can’t see. For every new government employee we create, we lose someone from the private sector. In the private sector people create goods or provide services to those who voluntarily contract to receive them. In the government sector people not only don’t create anything, but they actively hamper those that are trying to. I call that negatively productive.
As far as regulations go, the best regulator of all is the consumer. They actually have skin in the game. The government takes its skin from others. They have a vested interest in ever more regulations that give them more money and power. They (the leaders) are making fools out of most of the population. Anybody who isn’t blindly partisan can see that.
The left worries about greed and corruption at the business level but they turn a blind eye to the greed and corruption at the government level. People are greedy in all walks of life. It isn’t just the rich that are greedy, the poor are greedy too. They want to take the money of others for their own with no thought whatsoever of how hard those others might have worked for their money. Many older people have lost their life savings because Government coerced banks to lend to unworthy borrowers who precipitated the banking collapse. Yes, the banks should have made more of an effort to resist. And no, they shouldn’t have been bailed out. But now many more old people stand to lose their life savings (in cash accounts) as the dollar becomes worth less and less due to excessive government spending. Do the greedy handout-seekers care? It’s doubtful; they are too focused on that trough.
We are going to continue being in turmoil in this country as long as people think the ‘one size fits all’ approach of Big Government is the solution. A large portion of the population will always be unhappy no matter which ideology is in power. I don’t care if the right or the left is in power; we are going to continue in turmoil until people realize that Big Government is the Problem not the Solution.

DaveH….STANDING OVATION, CLEAR & CONCISE!!!

EYES…Make no mistake, that social spending is a BIG part of the reason that I no longer call my self a Repub and instead call my self a Conservative. There is no excuse for the increased spending under Bush. A massive part of that increase went to ILLEGAL ALIENS…The ILLEGAL population more than doubled in the 10 years or so, and Bush sought to give them all anesty….Who knows, he may have had some residual coke in his nose, and a belly full of booze that drained slowly…This spendig is a major part of why I think Bush was not only a poor President, but not really a Repub and a traitor to the party…BUT HE’S STILL BETTER THAN OBAMA! The things he screwed-up can be fixed…the things OBAMA is fixing to screw up will be forever, barring an armed violent revolt!

But, don’t be fooled by the numbers alone, they are skewed. In the later half of the 90′s the welfare to work program saw a decline in the welfare payments. That program was pushed by the Repubs under Gingrich’ leadership and Clinton was dragged kicking and screaming to it. In the last 8 years or so the Dems have done a lot to dismantle it. If fact the state of California NEVER fully implemented it which is why our social spending of so out of control and the state is near collapse. ALSO, OBAMA signed on executive order in his first few months in office ending it…SO watch and see it sky-rocket now!

DaveH, it is good to read your words of reason and wisdom once again. How are things with you, OK I hope.

Rod and Jeff,
Thank you.

Reality check guys! Impeachment can only be done through the House. He owns the house and the Senate (that is the only body that can actually unseat a President after impeachment). Have we learned nothing from Clinton? Impeachment is a proud mark on a Democrat Presidents resume. What we need to do is take back the House and Senate by overturning every single seat up for election to a Freshman. We need to do that in 2012, 2014 and 2016 until our “representatives” get the message of who their boss is, and it’s not the special interests and the moneyed underground in Washington…IT’S WE THE PEOPLE (WTP). Once WTP have true REPRESENTATION in Congress, it won’t matter what Pres Obama or any other president says or does, he will limited in his power.

Don’t forget 2010

Carri, regarding your Reality check, you need to have grounds for impeachment. I have asked many people, many times to please state one impeachable offense and not one person has been able to come up with one. Can you name the offense?

The breach of contract law by executive order…

In the bailout of GM (which I am ardently against) Obama placed the Unions at the front of the line. It should have been secured debtors at the front of the line. By contract law the stockholders should have had first dibs. But, Obama had to pay back the Unions who put him in office and they got the lions-share of the deal…

Misappropriation of funds
How about use of taxpayer money to further the Democrat party and push for advancement of the party through Government resources…Like using the NEA to create propaganda and push the green agenda, Government take of healthcare and the list goes on.

How about failing to protect and defend the Constitution…better yet, how about subverting the constitution and usurpation of the powers given to the Congress in an effort to eradicate the Constitution?

LIST IS LONG AND VARIED…HE IS NOT AN AMERICAN PATRIOT!!! HE’S ABOUT TO SIGN AWAY US SOVEREIGNTY IN COPENHAGEN!!!

If he is found thru the courts, out in CA, as not being legally elligible to be president, Impeachment will not work, since he is not legally the presdent. The constitution, would make the 2008 election null and void (including “Foot In The Mouth Biden” and all legislation and any other documents and treaties also null and void. New presidental elections would need to be held.

Rodthe other, sorry, dude, but Bush arranged the first GM bailout and Obama had to abide by those conditions. Have you forgotten that Bush gave GM money? Rod, greater minds than yours are trying to come up with something, and failing. If we didn’t impeach Bush for lying about Iraq, I doubt there is much that Obama could do, that couldn’t be justified. That is what happens when the bar is set so low.

EYESWIDESHUT…I haven’t forgotten anything. Take a look at some of my other posts. One of the reason I claim George Bush to not be a poor President is because of the Bailouts. The Bailouts are so not in line with the Free-market system that any true beleiver in it can not defend it…Oh and by the way, OBAMA voted for the bailouts (what a shocker huh) and less-than half of the money was disbursed when Obama took office, he could have stopped it. Isn’t it sad that Bush was a poor President and still stands head & shoulders above Obama?

By the way, your dear leader Obama is now using the bailout funds that have been paid back as a slush fund to support the political-payback to liberal organization that helped put him in office. Those funds were supposed to be paid back to the people not used for political payolla.

strike the not in my first few sentences…I beleive Bush to be a POOR President!

treason,,, that comes by doing things that are not good for the country, name everything he has done!!!!lying everytime his tongue moves..i think the worse thing he has done is apolgize for are country, weakening our security and to think he is going to bring the hearthens from cuba to our country..put them (his brothers) into our country to train for jahadis terrorism, within our prisons..also what about pakiston afganistan…the leaders there begging for help to win this war, and he’s taking bare arms michelle for $30,000 dinners in new york…and going to florida and telling the servicemen there he won”t send them there and japradize their lives…how does that make the men and their families, who are there fighting and in 2 days 18 of our young men lost their lives..how would you feel if they were your husbands,wives fathers grand sons/ daughters.. i could find plenty..i didn’t vote for the idiot at least bush kept us safe, if we had not stopped the terrorists..all hell would of happened in america..let the idiot go and fight…the war.. he don’t want to win it..he wants america down down down and begging ..what the govt gives you..dependance on it..it can take away!!!!sign the impeachment..it is gaining ground..

Once the economy has improved and we’ve reduced the 2 bush wars to security ops, I would be pleased if all of you blowhards apologized to YOUR president..at least RTO agrees that Bush was the worst president we’ve had.

DENNNISO…More twisting of the truth huh? I said Bush was a poor president, not the worst ever….TYPICAL LIB! There are far to many contenders for that distiction: Carter, Truman, Hoover, FDR, Wilson, TR Roosevelt.
If you noticed I did leave Clinton out and that is only because he was forced into being a Centerist, and wasn’t able to accomlish much of his agenda. Although he did do some big harm to our military!

It should have started with the Demo Party to verify obaminic’s eligibility. They did not.
It should have been done by the Repub Rinos to insist that the Demo present a candidate who was authorized by the Constitution. They did not.
Since the Congress is sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution they
should have not allowed him to be a candidate. They did not.
They have every right and reason to impeach him immediately.
They did not and will not.
So? The Constitution authorizes and insists in this case. We the people must assemble a Grand Jury to indict , prosecute , punish , and banish the lot of them. I have 181 pages of supportable facts to this end.

If we didn’t impeach Bush we sure can’t impeach Obama. You radicals can play circle jerk, but realize that you are a MINORITY in this country, thank God.

Your wrong NORM…Liberals are the MINORITY…They only represent 22% of the populas.
That’s a realy interestung number. If anyone hear is familiar with the PARETO principle, you would know that according to that principle in any system you will typically find that 80% of a systems problems are usually casued by 20% of it’s contributors.

Norm, slither back into your slimy little hole. We will see how resiliant the real Americans are. I would bet that you were one of the protestors spitting at the returning vetrans in the 60′s-70′s and calling them names.

JeffH
That was a pretty cheap comment you just made. Nothing could be farther from the truth. But as usual, the truth means nothing to you.

JeffH
I was in the Air Force in the 1960′s. Where were you?

Jeff, you are letting your emotions get the better of you. You are making assumptions about someone you know very little about. Since you didn’t serve this country, you have no right to belittle someone who belongs to that brotherhood of veterans. You can disagree about your politics, but to make a statement like that to a veteran is not what this country is about.

Norm is a liar and you stay away from me. You are as anti-American as anyone, no matter how you attempt to depict yourself or others. You are again trying to be the TROLL monitor of this site, and defend your little TROLL buddies. Anyone can say anything anytime on this site, but who knows what is real and what is not. As for me not serving my country, I served as home support, to be called to active duty if a national emergency arose. So don’t tell me I have no say. I am a legal, law abiding citizen of these United States of America unlike your traitorous yellow spined President and supporters such as yourself and Norm. As for impeachement, I can only hope. Quit asking your stupid questions and provide some viable answers instead. Your whole being is to question anyone you don’t agree with. Maybe you should admit what you are really here for and your real beliefs.

Norm, I honor your service to this nation, as a Veteran, but so was John “Benedict Arnold” Kerry, for a very short time. Then he came home and wwent out protesting with “Hanoi Jane”

Jeffie, I have always answered any question put to me. What you don’t like is when a stupid statement, or lies are being promoted, I check them and come back with the truth. Why is the truth so hard for you all to digest? You make crazy statements about Obama lying, however, you don’t hold yourselves to the same simple standard of truth and facts. I have watched you over the past three months, change from someone who would honestly debate, become an angry, quick tempered, illogical name calling hateful person.

EYESWIDESHUT…you said,
“Jeffie, I have always answered any question put to me. What you don’t like is when a stupid statement, or lies are being promoted, I check them and come back with the truth”.

I don’t think any fair & right minded individual likes it when, “…stupid statement, or lies are being promoted”…But I find it funny that your making this statement, because you routinly do just that.
Further more, I take your next sentence as an admission of that, “…I check them and come back with the truth”. So you admit that your first statements tend to be distortions of the truth.
You can’t take things out of context and call it the truth…Remember figuers don’t lie but liers figure.

eyes or BillJ, whatever you might be, you have always been nothing more than an agitator. You can bite me for all I care. What you have to say is meaningless, and go ahead, continue your attacks and ask your stupid little questions. That is truly a trademark of disgust!

JeffH
I don’t appreciate being called a liar. You are one screwed up character. Again I ask you, which branch of the service did you serve in?
Incidentally the GI bill paid for my Electrical Engineering degree. You know, one of those socialist benefits. Of course, with my increased income over the years, I repaid the grant many times over.

Un-NORM-al…liar, liar, liar!

JeffH
I guess liar is big in your simple minded vocabulary. And any body supporting Beck has a big problem with reality.

NORM…Watchout who your picking fights with…This is a battle of intelligence and your unarmed! Go inform yourself about the real world and come back when you know something.

Norm, I really became familiar with the word “liar” during an address to Congress by Obama. Seems quite accurate a desription!

Wow again..I’m very impressed w/ Rod the O..such a tough and smart guy..we’re scared, aren’t we??

LIBERAL ridicule…How novel…

Norm, Is wanting contitutional goverment radical???? I guess it is since the founding fathers were considered radicals, because they wanted the tyranny from King George to stop. Well all of us that are Patriots of 2009, only want the tryanny of an overeaching goverment to stop, and that ALL of our elected officials sarting out at the Office of President and all the way down to local dog catcher to obey the oath of office that they took.

CARRIE is correct…We the People need to vote the bums out…If we forsake our responsibility to vote people in that respoect the Constitution we are NEGLECTING our responsibility as Americans.
If we don’t vote them out we may paint our selves into a corner were armed confrontation is the only option.

The founding fathers of this country thought that the Government should have a turn over of about 50% every election…It’s no where near that. We have to many career politicians in office. We need trms limits for ALL OFFICES…No more than 2 terms, for anyone, in any position.

http://voteoutallincumbents.com/

He can benefit by being one of the key people to bring it down and thereby earn himself a seat near the top of a one-world-government. Which is what he’s seeking in Copenhagen.
His master George Soros will be pleased with him and let him sit at his right hand.

Rod, explain how and why they would have anyone from a country whose monetary system was defunct,whose military had no leadership, who was experiencing a civil war, you know, a country in total chaos, be the leader? Also, since most of the worlds markets are tied so closely to ours, what would be left to rule? When this country goes down, the balance of power will shift so severely that a dominio effect will spread like wildfire causing world calmity.

EYES…Your drawing connclusions and make statements that are farce.

Just as in a CAPITAlIST system when an entity in that system goes defunkt, the serviving enities come in and pick its bones…It is just a matter of FACT and how the real world works.

And the to question of why the would want him…Because hes proven his loyalty, and shown himself to be a capable comrad. Besides, when teams are choosen you choose from the available players and make trades and cuts as better players becaome available. And again….SOROS loves his pet. He’s a very well trained pet!

Rod, I hate to tell you this, but most of the world does not function as we do, don’t want to function as we do, and have mistakenly tied their markets to ours….Although now, most of them are recovering more quickly and have changed the way their markets are conducting business. You are not being logical, to think that the rest of the world would allow a US leader to control them. Your Conspiracies are too far fetched to comprehend. Power lies with the money, and we don’t have the most money, the best military, but certainly not the most money. Remember that our currency is not based on gold, so we aren’t really worth crap. no manufacturing plants, but we know how to build houses lol…. Funny, that you want a catastrophe so badly that you will invent a world take over, by someone who you claim has no experience. You think the world will accept someone with so little experience and without a military to back him up? Silly, absoutely silly.

EYES…You can ignore the evidence of who Obama is and what he is trying to accomplish if you like, but your just playing right into his hands.
The rest of the world is recovering faster because they are receiving monetary infusions from us (thanks again Obama) and are modeling their economies to be more like we USED to be FREEMARKET. While we are moving away from a freemarket, other countries are moving towards it. And don’t get so hung up on the statistics of the growth of the other countries. When a poor countries economy grows by 100% it may sound amazing (and you may be tempted to blame Bush), but in real growth we can match that same increased wealth with a growth of less-than 1%.
China is lecturing us on not becoming socialist because they don’t want to lose on their investment in us. China is walking the same path we did in the first half of the 20th century. They are posed become the economic powerhouse mostly due to all of the borrowing that is taking place this year for SOCIAL spending.

EES..your being naive if you think that they would not want a US leader to help run the one world government. However inexperienced Obama may be, a US leader would be needed to keep the sheep (like yourself) calm on the way to the slaughter. They would need a puppet to stand behind so the ignorant masses would say, “he’s one of us, he’s not going to let anything bad happen to us, lets just go along with what he’s asking”.

I also find it curious that you say yourself that he is inexperienced, yet you stand behind his policies and protect him from criticism. Why would you do that? Is is just that you seek to invalidate any criticism because you have the same socialist beliefs and you actually beleive that socialism is good for the populas?

As you said in another post EYES, “pick a lane and stay in it”.

Rod the O…One world gov’t!! doesn’t that old,tired phrase go back a hundred yrs or so??The U.S. has been the closest thing to such a creature since WW2..we’ve tried to control politics and cultures around the world..no great conspiracy about it..installing dictators in south america,Iran etc. and toppling legitimate leaders in Chile and more. We actually helped set up your buddy Saddam Hussein..look it up.

DENNSIO…IS that all you’ve got…how weak. Now Suddam in my Buddy huh? OOOHHhhh zing, you really got me on that one…especially because you backed it up with facts & logic like you usually do!

FOOL!

http://stevemaloneygop.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-soros-american-nightmares.html
Thursday, February 14, 2008
OBAMA & SOROS: AMERICAN NIGHTMARES
Obama, who he is, what he’s done, and why his election as President would be bad for America. Recently, I noted that Obama — in terms of finances — is largely a wholly owned subsidiary of George Soros, billionaire founder of Moveon.org and a full-time “Amerika-hater.”
In all his empty rhetoric about bringing the country together and “reaching across the aisle” to Republicans, Obama neglects to mention that his political stands allow for no real compromises. Yes, he will occasionally work with Republicans on non-controversial issues, but on anything of true significance, he will function as a militant leftist.

This is another wonderful read.

He’s for one world government putting us under the jurisdiction of the UN. So much of what he wants to do, his policies, are unconstitutional. We have a Congress run by his cronies who give him everything he wants. If you can’t see the direction this country is going, your eyes are not wide open, unfortunately. If you were a true Republican, you would come up with some answers instead of constantly bashing them. What do you see lies ahead with the current Administration? You haven’t said anything about it.

Why bash something you believe in.

American Citizen, I don’t mean you.

Obama, along with his Marxist Czars & all the other radicals that surround him , will gain by destroying the dollar. Have you forgotten that government already owns most of the large banks, the car companies, controlling private companies salaries & will “own” all the National Parks? With the “so-called Health Care Bill” (which has absolutely nothing to do with making sure “all the people” in the country have “health care”) he will have control over, not only the life & death of “regular” people, but the insurance companies, doctors, nurses, hospitals, drug companies. He could care less if people have health care. He is in the process of controlling the media & the internet. So to comment on ‘Rod the Other’s’ statement, I don’t think he just wants to be NEAR the top of the One World Government! I think he wants to be the Leader!

By your statement, it’s apparent you’re ignorant of history! Tyranny is not built upon a thriving republic, but only by its destruction. A free nation has to be destroyed before tyranny can thrive. Just like remodeling a house, you have to destroy it before you can build it like you want it! This is what Obama has to gain: by bringing down the infrastructure & by destroying the dollar, it lays the foundation for him to rebuild the nation “in his own image”. When people lose hope & become desperate, they’re easier to control. When people have nowhere to turn but the government, then the government has control over the people (Tyranny) instead of the people having control over the government (Liberty). If you don’t believe that this can happen in this country & that this is just paranoia or conspiracy theory, then perhaps you should pick up a book & read how once “free” nations have lost their freedom! We are so close to this now, it’s frightening.

In just 8 months, this administration has already turned this wonderful, capitalist, free country upside down. How much more do you think he can destroy by the 2010 election one year from now? We can’t wait until 2010 to correct this horrible mistake. By then, if he continues with his Marxist takeover with the lightening fast speed he’s unconstitutionally done everything else, we won’t have an election!

Why in the world anyone would want to turn a country that everyone is envious of & risk their lives to come here, into the place they are trying to escape! It doesn’t make any sense to my SANE mind. Anyone that wants to go where he is taking us needs serious mental help. I’m not being facetious, I’m as serious as anyone could be. If you WANT the government to have power over you, they you have no confidence in yourself as an individual & should seek help! If you, this Administration, Sean Penn & all the other Marxists want to live in a Marxist government, then you should move to Venezuela & leave the country that our founding fathers established to protect us from tyranny & that 75% of us love alone!

God Bless America & forgive those who have no idea how wonderful this country truly is in comparison to all the others!

I feel your frustration. Welcome to our world.

STANDING APPLAUSE USMADGIRL…I just have two comments to add.

Obama’ can only seek to be near the top. Much like Darth Vader in Star Wars he appears to be the BIG BAD***. but the actuallity is he has a handler. That handler is most likely named George Soros. SOROS IS THE SYTHE LORD.

And secondly, these peope will never willingly go away…They will have to be removed against their will. By either public pressure and/or brute force. They will not give up and walk away…MAKE NO MISTAKE! They seek to expand socialist systems like Venezuala, not escape to them.

Rod the other (didn’t mean to write a novel),

I sincerely appreciate your comment & glad that there are people like you who share my frustration & anger. I’ve never felt so helpless & out of control of my own destiny! As I began writing this, that “so-called president” was on my TV (on Fox News) AGAIN (still doing the only thing he knows HOW to do…campaign), telling more lies to more airheads that still believe he’s a “good man” despite his radical views! WHAT? By whose standards – satan’s? He’s ALWAYS on my TV! On the lighter side of my more serious, previous comment – I’m so sick of seeing him I could cry, scream or just puke! I’ve seen HIM more than ALL the presidents in my lifetime…combined! Just like his SPENDING that’s been M0RE than all the presidents…combined! Then he has the audacity to STILL blame all the spending & deficit on Bush!

Obama’s spending is equivalent to some POOR person that wins the lottery, spends it ALL on foolish things, ends up broke & having to SELL all the things (for less than they initially paid) to buy groceries & pay their bills OR like college students that get their first credit card, immediately spend it to the limit, can’t pay the payment & have to ask their parents for more money! The only difference is that the money Obama is spending is NOT HIS, it’s OURS. AND, the only thing he has to SELL to pay back what he owes to China & anyone else he borrowed against OUR future, is OUR land in OUR country!

I know that these radicals don’t WANT to ‘escape to Venezuela’, but that’s where I WANT all of them to go & just leave the TRUE America-loving citizens alone to live in the Liberty our founding fathers established to protect us from the likes of this Marxist narcissist!

I know that Soros is the “Sith Lord”! What rock did he crawl out from under & why don’t CONSERVATIVES have a “Soros”? To hear the Liberals tell it, we’re all a bunch of “greedy, astroturf, rich, white racists” so why doesn’t at least one of those wealthy “racists” cough up some money to fund the conservative “agenda” -getting these Marxists out of office?

I’m a middle aged (or was at the time) widow whose husband died 7 years, 4 months ago & had no insurance. I’ve been self employed as an independent real estate title abstractor for 16 years & at the time he died, my business was at its slowest. I was left to “fend for myself” at the worst possible time! Last year was my best year in a LONG time (which is still living on the edge of poverty) & despite being SO against Obama & the stimulus package, I honestly THOUGHT my business would be “BOOMING” when we were TOLD that the ‘stimulus’ was supposed to help people refinance the homes that were about to go into foreclosure & “stimulate” the economy. Well, guess what! My business is slower right now than it’s been in YEARS. And guess what else! The majority of the business I DO get is FORECLOSURES! This dishonest administration didn’t want to ‘help people keep their homes’ or I’d have more business than I could do. Another “LIE”! They don’t CARE if everyone has health care or care about correcting the “climate change” farse (instead of ‘Global Warming’ since the earth’s temperature has dropped & screwed up their other “BIG LIE” -Al Gore is an embarrassment to my great state of TN. I met him when he was running for the Senate YEARS ago & he was an idiot then, too) or become “energy independent’! It’s ALL about the power to “fundamentally transform” this country, period, just like Obama said he’d do, but ignored by half the country!

I wasn’t wild about John McCain, but I felt that he was at least a patriot & the “lesser of two weasels”. I’ve been blessed with a good judgment of character & knew that Obama was evil & thought he’d be president someday when he first became a senator. I just didn’t think it would be in 2008 & never dreamed he’d be the radical Marxist he is!
Call me naive, but I didn’t think there were so many ignorant people in the WORLD, much less this country!

I’ve always been a conservative Republican, but my boyfriend of 6 years introduced me to Fox News. I thank God for Glenn Beck & for Fox for allowing him to do what he does. He has inspired me to read, research & learn from history. I watch his show twice a day & take notes. After his show, I’m mentally & physically exhausted & angrier every day! He’s made me aware of what I suspected but didn’t know how it all fit together. Everything he says, he proves with these radicals’ own recorded words & still some call Glenn a nut job!

I have sweet neighbors, but they’re so unconcerned it makes me crazy & one is a conservative teacher. I’ve begged them to watch Fox & Glenn, but they continue to watch CNN & other “Obama-worshipping propaganda” networks. Most of them think this is all God’s plan & nothing can be done to stop it & that might be, but I’m going down fighting! I’m sure you’ll be there as well! Thank you for your additional comments. God Bless You!

USMADGIRL…I’ll be there shoulder to shoulder with you!

It is an intersting thing to know that Obama had given more public addresses in his first 7 months in office than Bush did his entire 8 years. I guess when your trying to CON-people you can’t stop feeding them BULL until the deal is done…TOO all the LEFTIES here, get ready for the buyers remose!

USMADGIRL…You sound VERY much like you are awake and thinking. At this point we have to wake others and the best way to do that, is just like Glen Beck is doing and that is with the VERY WORDs of Obama and his wrecking crew.

Good luck & fight the good fight!

usmadgirl, You hang in there because there are plenty of us faced with this common threat to our fundamental rights of freedom. Keep watching FOX and Beck to stay informed and trust that your fight, our fight, won’t be for naught. Afterall, this is America. Keep your chin up kid!

RTO..it’s true that Bush didn’t give many speeches…He couldn’t think or talk!! You’re making up numbers again anyway..WRONG!!

I could not have said that better myself, its like your inside my head. Here are some sites to look at, Obama WILL sign this tready and it WILL destroy America’s Freedom, and this is in Dec of THIS year.
All who are reading this go to these sites now.
richmanramblings.blogspot.com
http://www.phil801.com
globalclimatescam.com
There’s more to Obama than you see, he’s out to do everything usmadgirl said and more.
Read the history of the great countries that have fallen to socialism, marxism, millions murdered, all for liars like Obama and his Agenda.

Dennis – Thank you for your kind words. I’m glad to know that I share thoughts with someone else that actually HAS a BRAIN!!! I had every intention of replying to your comment all week but I’ve actually had work this week (no thanks to Obama & his stimulus lie) & also had to get my October invoices to my customers so I MIGHT get paid before Christmas. If you read my LONG “reply” to Rod the Other” on 11/04/09 you’ll know what I do.

As I’m writing this reply, the “House” is “debating” the so-called “health care” fiasco! Another LIE of the “devil”!

I heard about the “Treaty” & the stupid “Climate Change Conference” in Copenhagen in December on Beck (of course)on 10/30/09 . I haven’t had time to read all the articles on the sites you suggested but I will. Why are we allowing the “climate change” lies to continue? God has been taking care of the climate forever! Al Gore, an embarrassment to my state of TN, is getting even richer pretending to be the “Global Climate God”. We need to let God have control of the “thermostat”, not DA Al!

If you’d told me 13 months ago that I’d be “blogging” or that I’d HAVE to write my representatives to complain, I would’ve told you “you’re nuts”! The frustrating thing for me is that all MY Tennessee representatives vote my views 98% of the time. Everyone wants to get rid of all the incumbents, but I don’t want to cut my nose off to spite my face! I had an “ax to grind” with Lamar Alexander when he voted to confirm racist, Sonia Sotomayor & I “ground his ax”, but other than that, he, Bob Corker & Zack Wamp voted “nay” to confirming Cass Sunstein, “nay” to the unnecessary “hate crimes” bill (even tho it made them vote against the Defense Bill it was attached to)! That’s another discussion – we need to make Congress vote for bills SEPARATELY, NOT “bills rolled into a big unconstitutional ball”!

I was supposed to be at the http://www.teapartynation.com “One Year Notice Protest” in Nashville, TN today with my son & his wife, but was unable to go (3 hours away for me). My local Chattanooga Tea Party & other cities across the state joined forces to have a BIG protest in Nashville so they could be “ignored by the White House” again! I just pray that the protesters aren’t getting discouraged by their voices being dismissed by the Marxist idiots that have no clue what “grassroots” even is!

Thank you again & God Bless You & Our Country!

This is for eyes wide open:
The comment from “usmadgirl” on November 1, 2009 at 12:41 am

usmadgirl, thanks for your well written comments. George Soros is the money man behind this scheme and stands to only add to his billions along with his personal choice of a president. It is all out there on the “yet to be government controlled internet” for all to see. You can’t reason with eyes or any other Obama supporter and they can’t remotely reason with our thinking.

JeffH, Thank you for your response (on Nov 1 – I’m running behind with my reply)!

I don’t remember George Soros being on the ballot when I voted, do you? So why is he (& Andy Stearn & all the other Marxists) running our country? Obama is such a “narcissist” that I can’t believe he lets anyone assist him in destroying the country! I would think he’d want to screw it up all by himself so he could take all the credit!

My question, as I said in my LONG reply to “Rod the Other” is WHY don’t WE have a “George Soros” to assist us in our agenda for Liberty & upholding the Constitution? I thought conservatives were “wealthy, white racists”! So where’s the money?

By the way, “eyeswideshut” didn’t reply to my comment to him! Wonder why that was? Why would these liberals even subscribe to “Liberty Alert”? Is it simply to express their factless ignorance? Why don’t they blog with their own kind? Oh my gosh, I’m getting as mean as everybody else!

We’d better enjoy this time to express our opinions before this right to free speech (as well as all our others) is soon taken away!

God bless you, our country, the loved ones of all those brave people at Fort Hood who lost their lives & those who were wounded at the hand of another TERRORIST! Yes, TERRORIST – that our so-called president said for us to “not jump to conclusions” about!

American Citizen, you are correct. We, the people, have to force change on DC and our politicians, and stop Obama’s fundamentals “dead in their tracks”. Continue to vigorously be heard and let your representatives know there are going to be major changes in government starting in 2010. Already, the word in California is starting to be heard. Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein are being targeted as the major player to be voted out here. The pressure has to remain constant. As the Liberal left Dems and Obama continue to force their agendas on you and I, without the transparency or bipartisanship that he promised, Americans wake up to his “forked tongue and outright lies”. Every now and then, he’ll toss a bone to the dogs, just as long as it doesn’t upset his brand of socialism.

You hit the nail on the head JeffH…Next up Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein

And I get to vote Reid out!

Palin12, Yep! Is Tarkanian the guy in Nevada, I have heard but relly don’t know?

What to believe? I just read this morning that his girls were among the first to get the flu shot. People who need them the most are unable to get them.
As for being dangerous, only if you’re allergic to something in the base. We’ve never had a negative reaction to any of the flu shots.

all the assurance I need is to see the polling criteria and the respondents political affiliation…It’s called bias! If you ask crack addicts, “should the Government supply free crack”? how many do you think are going to say no? Obama is handing out crack and all the addicts are getting in line for their free-share.

Agree, doesn’t that apply to all polls, not just the ones you don’t like?

Forgive me, did Obama deregulate the Banking Industry this year? Didn’t that happen ten years ago?

No…It actually started under Carter in the 70′s and the CRA or CDA (Community (Reinvestment or Development) Act). It purpose was to “make housing affordable” for those who couldn’t afford it. It’s basic premise was to lower the lending criteria so low-income, or unworthy people, could get credit for a home loan.

Then, in the 90′s under Clinton, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, Janet Reno, Harry Reid and other liberal ILK began to put pressure on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to lower their lending critieria to even more unworthy borrowers including ILLEGAL ALIENS. Basically under threat of Government sactions Fanny & Freddie were forced to accept the most unworthy of borrower. Can you say STATED INCOME loan, how about NO DOCUMENT loan.

The warning flags were rasied MANY TIMES in the 90′s and louder in the 2000′ by Repubs and fiscally minded Democrats about how these practices are a ticking time bomb and regulations need to be put in place to defuse it before the bomb goes off. These people were shut down and mocked for being racist and not wanting minorities to have access to the Americam dream. Then Barney Frank decided that Wall Street was going to move to a “Mark-to-Market” system that introduced such volitility into the markets that the bomb was transfored from a traditional-explosive into an ATOM BOMB. That allowed for massive over-stating of the value of REAL assets and the derivitive markets swelled. That swelling took place until it finaly exploded in 2007. If there is ONE PERSON to blame for our economic calamity it’s BARNEY FRANK!

Say it again and again brother to enlightened MORONS memories who blame Bush every time they open their month. Remind these Morons as well, that the un-employment rate since 1996 through 2006 (Republican administration) was 7% and never above 8%. Everything went down the drain when the Democrats took control in 2006. Quadruple the deficit within one year when Obama became President, Big Government, Higher taxes, back room deal, the Louisiana purchase etc.
The same President Clinton’s Cronies who are running the Economy, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxim Waters to name a few. How about Jim Johnson and Franklin Raine who were facing a Grand Jury investigation. These people are involved to the downfall of the economy particularly the Freddie Mac and Fannie mae. Lending Mortgages to the people who can not afford to pay it back. Today, their arrogance are exposed, Senior Citizens and Younger generations who voted for Obama has regrets. Think about it, if you tell the Senior citizens that their Medicare will be cut 500 Billion dollars and “THE DEATH PANEL”?, you scare the hell out of them. The younger voters are scared as well, because if you do not participate or buy your own insurance they will put you to JAIL. YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT WILL PUT YOU TO JAIL!!!. Well… just a reminder. Adios.
Isirio

EYES…Are you ready to “tap out” on this one yet?

eyes memory is limited to 8 years back, no more.

I already admitted I was wrong, what do you want Blood? Deregualtion in 1999 was not the sole cause of the financial crisis. It was the other regulations not being enforced that was the problem, along with other factors, mainly greed and corruption combined with incompetence. I was wrong. I was wrong. I was wrong. Did I say it enough?

Rod the otter..oops, sorry. When I first saw your ‘name’ I misread it as otter. So, I wonder how Dodd and Frank had such power for the 1st 6 yrs of Shrubs administration that they could bring the entire economy down by themselves?? Supermen even out of their chairmanship roles?

Denniso…BUSH did it right….Grow up and educate yourself. You are the kind of follower Obama is looking for. No room for discussion, just attack those that you disagree with. Where are your facts, your proof, your logic…I haven’t seen a single spec of it in any of your posts.

When you say I was wrong but….it wasn’t the sole cause of the meltdown blah blah blah

The “I was wrong” part did get lost imo.

The above should read.”Bush did it? Yeah Right”!

Rod,old buddy..the constitution needed how many ammendments from the ‘original’??

Denniso..NEEDED amendments? your a fool!

RODO…Were the ammendents written w/ the ‘original’ constitution??when was the last one? was it written by the ‘founders’??

I have been polled more than once, mostly by college students working for those organizations. They give you the questions and then several answers you can choose from. My answer to most of the questions wasn’t there. There’s no way to give an answer to most of the questions. I’m sure the pollster puts his/her own answer in. That’s why I don’t trust polls.

Jim Lorenze… In large part I agree with your post, some parts completely, others not so much.
I do beleive that the “left” and “right” are rather arbitray terms and rather useless. Because, you can always claim things like, “I’m on the right of him, he’s on the left”. Well, when that comes from someone like McCann talking about Reid…in relative terms he is correct. McCann is more right that Reid… But they are both “Lefties” from a true center.
I do not agree too much with the “Liberal / Conservative” thing though. These terms are given with respect to a reference point. LIBs beleive in embracing “new” untried ways of doing things, while “Conservative” beleive in sticking with what has worked historically. Both of these political philosophies are on a continumm much like Collectivist or Individualist. Which is where the word centerist comes in. Although I sometimes believe that Centerist just have a hard time “picking a lane”.

I don’t want to put to fine a point and sound like I am quibbling, I DO AGREE with the sentiment of your post and I am thankful for the contribution to this discussion from another free-minded.

I meant “arbitrary”.

JL…I shouldn’t tell you this,because the more you convince right wingers to vote for people who can’t win, the better my people do. WE HAVE A 2 PARTY SYSTEM!!! We don’t have a multi party parliamentary one,where small parties can actually get a little representation.
Tweedle Dee and Dum..come on now!! Despite the fact that most of congress and most presidents,though not all(like Obama), are from our aristocratic class there are still fundamental differences. Nixon prosecuted draft evaders, Cater pardoned them. Reagan ratcheted up the drug war and illegally funded illegal wars in Central America and traded missiles to Iran for hostages. Clinton kept us out of major wars and probably had the fewest number of military casualities in an 8 yr term. Bush Sr invaded a sovereign country(Panama). Bush(shrub) singlehandedly is responsible for the deaths and maiming of hundreds of thousands of innocents(that includes soldiers).
Bush and Gore are the same?? Carter and Nixon? Ted Kennedy and Ted Stevens? Pelosi and Boehner?? They may all be rich, it’s far too simplistic though to say that makes them the same. But for the sake of kind,tolerant, peaceful people, please keep voting for rightwing kooks who can never win. We appreciate it!!

Well said!!! Just look at the history of Nazi Germany in the earrly 1930′s, and we all know that Hitler led Germany to total destruction. This is where the Obamanation and his band of Chicago Style Thugs, along with all of congress, is leading this country to.

With a whole lot of luck, he’ll suffer the same fate!

If you took the time to listen to some of those speaches, you would have to admit they sound more like the rt wing conservatives than the Democrats. Every time Goebell says Jew’s, if you insert Dem’s, it sounds just like the conservatives.

Brilliant observation EYESWIDESHUT….and if you replace the B in Obama with an S, you end up with OSAMA…Another Muslum that wants to destroy America.

I am a conservative and will admit very conservative in my views. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that the OBOMANATION says or believes in that are conservative ideas. He is the radically leftist “Illegal Occupant of the White House” that this nation has ever had. And just so you know now, I lived thru the Vietnam War era a a young adult, and have seen the banding together of all of the extreme leftist groups in this country since that time, until we now have Obama, and his Chicago style thugs, and an a leftist marixist socialist bunch of idiots in Congress. TIME TO VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT, AND PUT THEM ALL WHERE THEY BELONG. IN PRISON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eyes is correct of course..The extreme right wing has followed their god limbaugh in using Hitlerian tactics against their enemies for years now..demonizing,scapegoating,fear and hate mongering and utter slander and misinformation.Don’t listen to them people!!

Denniso…That’s rigths right, do the TYPICAL liberal thing and attack the messinger, shut down debate, and ignore the facts. SO TYPICAL!!!
WE HAVE ANOTHER QUISLING PEOPLE!

OH DENNYO & EYEWIDESHUT , YOU TWO HAVE NO IDEA THAT YOU ARE BEING EATEN AND SPIT BACK OUT BY YOUR OWN FAR LEFT WING RADICAL PARTY.!!!. TS JUST A SHAME THAT YOU ONLY KNOW HOW TO ACCUSEAND BASH OTHERS WHO ARE TRUE FREEDOM FIGHTERS AND REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS THAT TRUELY CARE ABOUT AMERICA THE GREAT LAND OF THE FRRE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE.!!!! GOLLY GEE THOSE SLOGONS DO NOT BELONG IN YOUR FAR LEFT WING RADICAL “HANDBOOK”.!!! CAN’T SAY OR STAND FOR THOSE PRICIPLES IN AMERICA , JUST PREACH HATE AND RACISM AND ITS OK IF WE ALSO TEACH SOCIETY THAT BIG AND BIGGER GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU.!!! OH ITS OK JUST GET IN LINE FOR YOUR HAND OUT.!!!. A GOOD EXAMPLE IS THE FLU VACCINE THE YOUR FAR LEFT RADICALS PROMISED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE 160 MILLION VACCINES AVAILABLE BY THE END OF OCT. 2009 . OH WHAT HAPPENED.? THEY ONLY HAD 15 MILLON AVAILABLE TO AMERICAN PUBLIC , AND THE REAL SCARING FACT IS THAT GITMO. AND WALL STREET GOT THERE SHARE OF VACCINE BEFORE THE REST OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, AND THE HIGH RISK POPULATION DID NOT EVEN GET ANY VACCINE.!!!. HMM WHATS THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE UMM UMM UMM.FAR LEFT WING RADICAL ADMINISTRATION.??. GOD HELP US ALL IS THESE CHICAGO THUGS GET A GOV. HEALTH CONTROL BILL PASSED.!!!!!. IT WILL BE THE END OF A FREE SOCIETY AS WE KNOW IT NOW.!!!!!!!.. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TWO MORON CALL YOUR CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS SO THEY CAN READ THIS HORRIFIC DESTROY AMERICAS HEALTH CARE BILL MAY BE THEY WILL HAVE SOME FUZZY FEEL GOOD PICTURES TO SHOW YOU SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT BETTER.??. WELL MAYBE.? OH ITS OK YOU CAN HOLD EACH OTHERS HAND AND SAY ITS HATE AND RACISM THAT MADE THE ANOITED ONE , I MEAN THE DICTATOR TO MAKE SUCH A GREAT HEALTH CONTROL BILL TO SAVE AMERICA ,AMERICA , AMERICA UMM UMM UMM
WAKE UP MORONS.!!!. YOUR OWN LEFT WING RADICALS ARE LAUGHING LOUD AND OBNOXIOUSLY AT YOU , HUH HUH HUH LOOK AT THOSE IDIOTS THEY EVEN SUPPORT US AS WE DESTROY THEIR FUTURES. HUH HUH HUH LIBERALS WE WANT TO RULE THE WORLD.!!!!!. WAKE UP NOW AND HELP US TAKE BACK OUR FREE COUNTRY.!!!!!!!..

AMERICAN PATRIOT.

A P…just a couple suggestions. For better effectiveness,try using the word MORONS fewer times..it looses it’s punch after the 20th time.Also,if you want to be a little more correct, the term for laughing is,ha,ha,ha…not huh,huh,huh.Try practicing w/ these two things and your writing will be vastly improved..and no, there’s no charge for the tutoring. Have a nice day!

DENNISO…Are those tips you picked up from Alinsky’ rules for radicals?

As I understand it Obama is about to sign some form of tready that will make our constition Void. We will not have a vote, nor any other freedom we have enjoyed. Both parties have been moving in this direction for several years. Now Obama is about to sign a tready that we assure one world rule, and we will not have any thing to say about it if we let it happen!!! Warning, If we do not oppose this now the only alturnitive we will have is ARMED resistance. Are we going to let it go that far???

Where do you get this stuff? Even hate radio wouls laugh.

Tophat is correct. Read up on the Copenhagen Treaty. Not only does it nullify our constitution and the similar documents of other countries foolhardy enough to sign it, it also decrees that the “rich” nations must pay the “poor” nations 2-1/2% of their GNP. Who are the poor countries? China, Russia, African continent. This is the climate control bill. I hate to let my ultra-conservative side pop out here, but Glenn Beck on Fox News is TODAY spending his whole hour-long show on just this topic. Former Ambassador John Bolton is one of his guests and a British Lord who is traveling the world warning of the dire consequences of this Treaty.

Top Hat, I don’t think it would take much convincing to get you to share my point of view of going to DC and demanding our country back before next election. That’s the only choice we have and we are not alone in our thinking.
Robert, you are right about Texas seceding from the Union, and I would think Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, and other mountain states, as well as the grain belt, would also go with us. I hope it doesn’t get to that point, because we would all be on a time bomb pending the total collapse of the U.S. This is already taking place with extremist muslims stationed all over the country just waiting for the word from their leaders. We’re all going to have front row seats when it happens. God help us all!!

Wayne..WOW!!!

Moral heros, here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!! Show us the facts and stop lieinnnnnnnnnnng to us!

JeffH
Who appointed you the authority on what’s American. Your an Anarchist.

I guess you now think I can’t voice my opinion, FOOL! Just like all of the lefty liberals, want to suppress free speach. Try entertaining ourself as a target at the shooting range. You’ll be more productive.

yourself

Living off the government is UNAmerican. Government taking over businesses is UNAmerican. Mandating what businesses pay their employees is UNAmerican. Telling the schools what to teach is UNAmerican.
American stands for freedom, the freedom of the individual to succeed or fail. We are supposed to help one another, not depend upon the Federal Government. Putting this country into debt to other countries is UNAmerican. Laying trillions of dollars of debt on future generations is UNAmerican. So much more is happening that is UNAmerican it’s hard to say it all here. So much that is UNConstitutional we are in danger of losing our Constitution.
I am looking forward to help vote out those who are helping to destroy this country.

Voting just this list out would get a lot of the cancerous matter out of office!

Now we need to make a lost of all the Repubs that need to go…I vote Lyndsey Grahm, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and McCann to start the list.

Dora, so you can’t think of any Republicans that haven’t served their office to the detriment of the average American? Oh, that’s right our party is perfect. LMAO

EYES…that wasn’t the point of her post (at least not they way I took it).
To correct a problem in a system you have to start where things are most problematic and that list she gave was the worst of the worst without regard to party. Those within that list have done far more damage to our democracy than any others by far!

ALSO EYES…Watch out, that veiled disguise you are wearing in begining to thin even more….Your no “former Repub”.

Then your not paying attention…Obama does not want what’s best for this nation as defined by adherance to the Constituion. He wants a one world socialist Government. Look at who he surrounds himself with.

He is inexperienced and niave. You can tell by his interaction with anyone oposed to him. He is like many younger people, that think they are entitled to the best without doing anything to earn it. They cannot contemplate the consequences of their actions/programs because they were never required to face any failures. They were “bailed out” by their parents. No wonder “bail outs” is the solution to everything.

Parents, please, let your children fail. Pick them up, dust them off, help them recover. Let them know you are proud of the effort. Teach them that it’s not so bad to fail. We learn more from failure than from success.

I also think that the liberal congress is exerting great pressure on him. I hope he doesn’t intend to destroy our Republic, but it certainly does look like we are headed that way.

Laura, I have to disagree with your comment. Obama is not the least bit “naive”. What is transpiring in front of every American is exactly what he believes in. He was hand picked for this job many, many years ago, with very careful planning and support. Obama could never pull this off on his own, without his Harvard Law School education being funded with the assistance of radical Muslim activist and mentor Khalid Al-Mansour and mentoring by the notable J Wright, Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, Frank Marshall Davis. His ideals mirror the influential philanthropist billionaire and anti-American financial backer George Soros.

Rod..Just looked in and what do I find?? MORE NONSENSE!!Obama wants a one world socialist gov’t?? Wow! I actually thought Bushie left enough of a mess behind for Obama to fix that he didn’t have time to be hatching his evil plan for one world socialist gov’t…silly me and smart you. Thanks for the heads up.

Denniso…Is that sarcasim?

Rod, Sarcasm?? could be..it’s as good as FACT that Obama DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN FOR ONE WORLD GOV’T!!! This country is almost ungovernable,thanks to the kind of hate and vitriol we see on this site. how would any entity control the world? wake up!

It took you two days to come up with that crap? YOu must be scraping the bottom of the barrel. Or, the DNC was busy with the East cost elections and couldn’t get a response back to you fast enough.

Why is it fact?…Because DENNISO-THE-DECIDER hath bequethed it? Take a look at the Copenhagen agreement MORON! Through share taxing alone, based on the GDP, the US economy can be controlled or even SHUT DOWN!

dennyo IS SO WRONG AND BLIND IF HE CAN NOT SEE THE TRUETH EVEN IS SOMEONE PAINTED HIM A PICTURE.!!. THAT THIS MONSTER BARBARICK INSANE OBAMDA AMERICAN CAMPAIN , FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS , THIS MORON PRESIDENT AND HIS MARKIST COMMUNIST APPOINTED CZARS ARE ON A PATH FULL STEAM AHEAD AND RUN OVER ANYONE WHO GETS IN THEIR WAY.!!!!!. LET ME MAKE THE ALREADY OBVIOUS PREDICTION THAT THIS MORON WILL GO DOWN , IN ALL TERMS AS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN USA. HISTORY.!!!!!!!. THIS DICTATOR THE AMERICAN TRADER AND HIS COMMUNIST ADMINISTRATION IS ON A DESTROY AMERICA CAMPAIGN.!!!! YOU CERTAINLY HAVE TO BE DUMB, BLIND, STUPID AND NOT ABLE TO READ.!!!. IF YOU CAN READ , THEN READ THE HORRIFIC POLICIES THAT THE OBAMDA ADMINISTRATION ALREADY RAMED DOWN THE THROATS OF THE AMERICAN CITIZENS.!!!. I CAN NOT WAIT TO RAM PINK SLIPS DOWN HIS THROAT IN 2012.!!!!!.. THATS WHEN AMERICA TAKES BACK ITS SOVEREIGHTY , FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES.!!!. I CAN ONLY GUESS THAT denny HAS SOME REAL ISSUES OF NOT BEING AWARE OF ITS SURROUNDINGS , OR MAYBE IT HAS ALREADY EATEN ITS YOUNG.? Denny DON’T YOU CARE ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND THE FUTURE GENERATIONS TO COME.? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE TRILLIONS IN DEBT THAT WE ALREADY PASSED TO OUR CHILDREN AND FUTURE GENERATIONS.? THEY GAVE THIS MORON THE NOBEL PRIZE SO HE CAN MAGICALLY GET SOMETHING DONE UMM UMM UMM.!!! I WONDER WHAT GOOD THAT WILL BE , THE ONLY THING IT DID DO AND KNOWS HOW TO DO IS TAX AMERICA INTO THE GROUND, DESTROY THE DOLLAR AND THE ECONOMY ALL IN ONE SINGLE BOND.!!!. OBAMA HES SO GREAT , HES OUR MAN . HES GOING TO SAVE AMERICA UMM UMM UMM.????. THIS UNQUALIFIED IDIOT COULD NOT SAVE EVEN HIMSELF.!!!. LET ALONE SAVE AMERICA. THIS COWARD CAN NOT EVEN MAKE A RATIONAL DECCISSION TO SEND TROOPS TO FIGHT TERRORISM IN OTHER COUNTRIES , BECAUSE HES TOO BUSY CAMPAIGNING TOO GET HIMSELF RELECTED.!!!. OH ITS SUCH A HARD POLITICAL DECCISSION TO MAKE.!!! GOLLY GEE SHOULD I SEND TROOPS AND FIGHT TERRORISM OR SHOULD I CONTINUE TO DRAG MY NEANDERTHAL HANDS ON THE GROUND AND APPEASE THE LEFT WING RADICALS.?? WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE ITS TO LATE TO SAVE AMERICA FROM THIS RADICAL LEFT WING ANIMAL THAT IS TRANSFORMING AMERICA INTO A COMMUNIST SOCIAL STATE.!!!!!. ITS TIME TO SEND A BIG MESSAGE TO WASHINGTON , THAT WE ARE TAKING BACK OUR FREE COUNTRY.!!!.DON’T BE FOOLED BY THE SMOOTH TALKING DICTATOR.!!! ITS TIME HE STARTS WORKING ON ALL THE PROMISE LIES HE MADE WHEN CAMPAIGNING FOR PRESIDENT/I MEAN DICTATOR.!!!!!!!.

MAD AS HELL AMERICAN PATRIOT.

A P..get a job..donate your time to charity..help kids..plant a tree..do something positive..take a walk..lower your blood pressure!!

A P….First you changed my name 2 posts above in your rant..secondly, Obama can’t be ‘the worst president ever’, because that slot is already taken by your ally in arms, the absolute worst,most destructive and dumbest president ever in history,SHRUB jr …aka,Bush!

Dear Dennyo,

I must agree with A.P. He is quite informed of what is truly happening to and in this country, where we’re headed and has given a litany of facts which you should open your mind to and absorb. But in response, all you can do is criticize his spelling, saying he “used MORON too many times” and said that his use of HEH..HEH..HEH was incorrect. Well yes, HA..HA..HA is correct for a normal person but HEH..HEH..HEH is also correct for a MORON. Try listening to yourself. Sorry I had to do that.

Also, your denigration of Bush again, shows your lack of knowledge and is tiresome. Bush TRIED to work with a Democratic Congress but was hindered in every way, even to giving in at times, trying to get legitimate policies passed but for nine years he was bashed at every turn, even today, out of office, he’s STILL being abused. But heavens, we should NOT criticize BO, even though he truly IS out to destroy this country and if anyone who does some research will realize how smoothly he lies.

I’m sure you’ll come back with some kind of “smart remark” ’cause that’s all you know how to do. Try doing some NON bias research instead. I’ll be impatiently waiting for your BRILLIANT response.

Blue…AP said huh,huh,huh..not heh,heh,heh…to the rest of your ill informed rant I can’t say much,except,(word removed)

Dennyo,

Boy! You didn’t disappoint me!!

American Patriot,

I agree with everything you’ve said. I truly don’t like being a pessimist, but the issue that concerns me is the fear that we’re (Conservatives) not going to have a “snowball’s chance in H#@*” for 2010 or 2012. If Osama (Oh, sorry, I’m mean Obama) or should I say WHEN, he gives AMNESTY to at least 13 million ILLEGALS, how do you think THEY’LL vote? 13 million people having ACORN busing them to the polls to vote, is a landslide for the Dumb-o-crats! (God, HE’s on my TV AGAIN, still campaigning & lying AGAIN about the Health Care Crap that PASSED in the House last night that one IDIOTIC REPUBLICAN VOTED FOR! I’m just SICK!)

The way he’s RUSHING everything through with his control in both the House & Senate & with a few RINOs in office, it looks hopeless. They don’t care what “We the People” want. They’re not listening to the “Astroturf, Tea-bagging, racist, red-neck, Nazi MOBS” nor those “mean, crazy people that asked those evil questions” that liberal representatives didn’t want to answer at the Town Hall meetings, nor those “few THOUSAND nutjobs” (1.5 million) that showed up at the Capital on 9/12, nor the doctors that marched on the WH (not the ones who were issued the white coats by the WH), nor those who showed up at the Capitol with Congresswoman Michele Bachman this past Thursday to protest this Socialized pile of “pooh” Health Care bill.

This administration doesn’t care about ANYTHING except achieving the goal of their “GODS” (Carl Marx, Saul Alinski, Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Chavez, Castro, Bill Ayers) & creating a “One World Government” that has been in the making for probably longer that we ever dreamed!

This “so-called president” took an OATH to UPHOLD the CONSTITUTION that HE thinks is “an IMPERFECT document that reflected a BLIND SPOT in this culture & reflects FUNDAMENTAL (he LOVES that word) FLAWS that are carried on to this day”. How can he take an oath to uphold what HE thinks is a “FLAWED IMPERFECT CONSTITUTION”?

Call me a “birther” if you want, but if he was born in this country, he’d be proud to show his birth certificate. I had to show my birth certificate just to get my license! If he were a good student with a good college background, being the arrogant narcissist that he is, he’d be proud to “show off” his records, yet, he’s spent millions of dollars to keep his records concealed! If I applied for a decent job, do you think they’d hire me without my resume & college records? Why would you NOT get a “resume” from the candidate for the highest office in the world?! Why wasn’t that done when he was nominated & before he was elected? We were all freaking crazy to not DEMAND a “resume” from the person nominated to be our LEADER? Bush was put under a microscope when he was nominated! This just amazes me! Where is the “common sense” in this country? Have we all become so complacent that we don’t care about the foundation of our Republic? Doesn’t anyone realize that if the foundation crumbles, the whole house falls down?

Instead of arguing with each other, we need to UNITE against a tyrannical government! You Libs / Progressives are going to be living in a poor, chaotic, country, too, when it’s part of a “One World Government”! Obama has already bankrupted this country! Can you imagine how poor we’re going to be when we have to pay our country’s “share” to “share the wealth” by paying our “Climate Debt” to 3rd world countries who haven’t “created as much CO2″ for the Global Warming LIE?

I can’t believe that Libs /Progressives who were against the Bush administration intercepting calls of suspected terrorists to PROTECT us, would allow THIS RADICAL administration to control the press, free speech, radio, TV, the internet (with net neutrality that was already hidden in the stimulus bill) & ask neighbors to report “fishy people”! Do you REALLY want to have a “Global Nanny”? If you DO, you have brain damage & don’t deserve to live in this incredible, free, capitalist country!

God Bless You, American Patriot & God Bless This Country & God, please wake up liberals “who know not what they do”!