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Let’s Nuke the Environmentalists

October 28, 2009 by  

Let’s Nuke the Environmentalists

Greenpeace is running rampant across Alberta’s oil sands. In the past few weeks, 37 activists have been arrested in a spate of incidents targeting North America’s most important energy resource.

The most recent occurred on Oct. 5 when 19 activists stormed an upgrader in Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta. They tied themselves to equipment which is used to transform heavy oil into gasoline.

The protesters unfurled banners reading “Climate Crime” and “Climate SOS” to draw attention to an industry they say is killing the planet.

In September, two-dozen Greenpeace commandoes kayaked down the Athabasca River to intercept a Suncor bridge where conveyor belts move bitumen into an oil sands upgrader.

But my favorite is the protestors that drove a convoy of pickup trucks into the heart of Shell Oil’s massive open pit mine, halting production.

They came from Edmonton to Fort McMurray, Alberta, a 360-mile round trip. The irony of burning all that gasoline to shut down a facility that helps to provide affordable gasoline was apparently lost on them.

Greenpeace says that it is putting a spotlight on the “climate crimes of the tar sands.”

Meanwhile, trouble is also brewing west of the oil sands in the Peace River region, an area that encompasses the Alberta and British Columbia border. It is here that an eco-terrorist is on the loose. His target is EnCana Corp (NYSE: ECA), which is working the vast unconventional pools of sour gas that lay a mile beneath the countryside.

In the past year he has blown up six sour gas pipelines. EnCana is a preeminent natural gas company in North America. Yet the company is so afraid that the bomber is going to kill himself or somebody else they have posted an Osama bin Laden-like bounty of $1 million for information leading to a conviction. The newspapers are calling it the largest reward in Canadian history.

In a letter to the Dawson Creek Daily News the bomber wrote: “Return the land to what it was before you came every last bit of it… before things get a lot worse for you and your terrorist pals in the oil and gas business.”

The badly handwritten letter sent July 15 insists EnCana cease operations in the area. The bomber also promised to suspend attacks during a three-month grace period so “we can all take a summer vacation.”

All considered the oil patch is lucky to have a lazy terrorist on its hands.

From Elephant Fields to Real Elephants

I can already picture the hate mail, “Myers, not everyone concerned about the environment is a protestor or a bomber!”

True, but a lot of Greens just don’t get it. Let me give you an example.

In the early 90s I went to South Africa to report on the gold mines. There, my Uncle Richard and I joined a tour group. Our guide was an English conservationist.

He told our table how the South African government sold elephant hunting licenses for $20,000 a pop. Traveling with game wardens, hunters gladly paid this fee to stalk single bull elephants.

This, said our tour guide, allowed the South African government to cull the herds, thus preventing mass starvation of the animals. All of the funds were put back into the game parks allowing for their future expansion and the eventual growth of the elephant population.

For one woman in our group, this was too much. Right there in a Johannesburg restaurant she came unhinged. “You sell elephant lives for money!”

Sometimes I can’t help myself and this was one of those times.

I turned to my uncle and said, “What do you think Richard?”

I then explained that in 1957 my father Vern and my Uncle Richard had gone on safari and had in fact bagged an elephant.

I went on to defend Richard with the truth—saying that, in fact, elephants have always been endangered by poachers, not hunters; that licensed hunting had in fact created a windfall for conservation throughout southern Africa.

But there was no convincing the lady from Toronto. Once she knew that Richard had killed an elephant he might as well have murdered a baby. She told him that in her book, killing an elephant was worse than killing a person.

I knew then and there that some environmentalists were downright crazy.

Any lingering doubts were erased by a 1990s PBS program called, Can the Elephants be Saved? It should have been titled, Are the Environmentalists Crazy?

The program NOVA focused on Zimbabwe’s wildlife management, one of the most effective on the continent. In the decades leading up to the 1990s the nation’s elephant herd had doubled to more than 60,000 animals, twice what the Parks Department considered the optimum size for the country. Where there were just 3,000 elephants in the Hwange National Park in 1930, there were more than 20,000 by 1990.

To prevent the Park’s destruction and the mass starvation of thousands of elephants, Zimbabwe game officials would accompany high stake hunters who culled a limited number of elephants with high caliber rifles at short distances. For the Park Service it was a matter of the greater good since elephants could not be moved safely to other game parks.

Every elephant culled was immediately skinned and butchered. A full grown elephant can provide 2,000 pounds of prime meat. Dried, this lifesaving resource remains edible for up to one year and helps sustain some poor black tribes on the fringes of the game parks.

This utilization of elephants not only preserved the park but also the long-term existence of elephants and other game. It also contributed millions of dollars to the Zimbabwe economy—money that was used to expand the national parks, build needed infrastructure and improve the standard of living for the Zimbabwe people.

All for the good, correct? Not according to Cynthia Moss, then and still the head of the Amboseli Elephant Research Project in Kenya.

Moss told NOVA that shooting just one elephant, for whatever reason, is fundamentally wrong.

“I don’t call that conservation. I would rather see no elephants than elephants being culled, and that’s an extreme position I’ve come to hold, just because I think it is morally unjustified to kill elephants,” Moss said.

If that’s not an ideologue what is? I can picture Hitler slamming his fist upon a desk and declaring: “If Germany can’t win the war, it doesn’t deserve to survive!”

In case you think Moss’ outlook has evolved, guess again. In fact you can visit her Website at: http://www.elephant.se/cynthia_moss.php. There, she is asked who had the biggest influence on her life. Her answer: Echo.

If you want to know who Echo is you can see her picture at: http://www.elephant.se/database2.php?elephant_id=51.

The Hard Truth about Crude Oil

Greenpeace demonstrates that when it comes to the environment, it’s not just individuals that are off kilter.

Then there is the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF). Earlier this year the EDF proclaimed: “For about a dime a day (per person), we can solve climate change, invest in a clean energy future, and save billions in imported oil.”

Newsweek, no friend to conservatives, had this response in its April 27, 2009, issue: “(If what the EDF says) sounds too good to be true, it’s because it is.”

Newsweek points out that four-fifths of the world’s and America’s energy comes from fossil fuels—oil, coal, natural gas—which are also the largest source of man-made carbon dioxide (CO2), the main greenhouse gas.

This is a fundamental fact that isn’t going to change for generations, regardless of how many people chain themselves to oil sands sites or blow up pipelines.

Moreover, Alberta’s oil sands will remain the key to meeting America’s growing thirst for oil. Canada already supplies the U.S. with 22 percent of its petroleum, the bulk of which comes from Alberta’s oil sands. That share will climb significantly over the next 20 years as oil sands operations expand, Greenpeace be damned.

Yours for real wealth and good health,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Rod

    Blondi, your right! This peace of manure is going to try to get a treaty. Ya know, it may not be that simple!

  • DaveH
    • BillyJ

      Isn’t that foundation a Libertarian Think Tank? I get the drift that you hate the liberals, but shouldn’t you be referencing independent sources for your arguements? It would be more conducive in making your point, if you weren’t using prejudiced material.

      • DaveH

        You bet Billy, as is Cato, and Mises. But there are plenty of other sources to read for honest information. Find your own. I have read from many sources over my 40 years of adulthood, and I trust these people more than most.
        Do you think for an instant that the people and companies who feed at the government trough aren’t just a little biased? The first requirement for any totalitarian government is to reign in the media.

    • JeffH

      DaveH, take a close look at BillyJ’s comments. Do they have a somewhat familiar sound to them? I bet if you had your “eyeswideopen” you might see a familiar technique being used.

      • eyeswideopen

        I guess I will have to ask him where he got his education, what field he is in, and how old he is. I take that as a compliment, as BillyJ doesn’t sound like a complete idiot. Jeff, you are funny, you see a boogie man behind everyone who guestions you.

      • libertytrain

        Eyeswideopen – I can imagine why BillyJ doesn’t sound like a complete idiot to you – I don’t think Jeff is seeing a boogie man, I think he is seeing someone trying to be clever.

      • DaveH

        Eyes, it’s pretty cool that you actually read an article by Thomas Sowell. Did you put on your necklace of garlic first?

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, I have been reading him, since you recommended him. I just don’t agree with him. I am also reading about other countries and how they are handling the situation that our market brought upon them. Due to being smaller they are finding recovery to be faster and easier, however, most have tightened their banking regulations. As I said before, some of Sowell’s ideas, I agree with, however alot, I don’t.

      • eyeswideopen
  • Blondi 2

    On the so called Cap N Trade dill,it doesn’t have anything to do with the enviroment!It has to do with a one world government! Obama is sopose to go to Copenhagen in December,said he isn’t because he is picking up his Nobel Prise.Not! He is going to sign this treaty with the UN and when he does our constitution will not mean zilch anymore.We will be beholding to the UN from now on! We will have lost our American soverenty forever,no matter who we vote in!!!! We will not be able to withdraw from the treaty,because all of the countries would have to sign us out and they will never do that! Why you say? Because we will be the ones giving the biggest amount of money to the UN,third world countries etc.China and India,our biggest polluters are not signing on to this treaty! So what sense does it make that this is for the enviroment?It has nothing to do with the enviroment and everything to do with Americas Soverenty!!!!!!!!! They are keeping this evry low key because they know what will happen if the people find out! Call your Senators and Congress!NOW! If this isn’t a reason to empeach the president then please tell me what is!!!!! He is giving our freedom away for nothing and we and our children will be paying our big money to the rest of the world for the far future.We will be a One World Government!!!! In case you haven’t figured it out yet our president doesn’t like the America we love!!!! We will have lost our soverenty and our freedom to who ever is running the world government,who ever they decide that he will be. I know this sounds like something totally unreal,and I wish it was,but it’s not!!!!! Please get the word out as fast as you can because it is less than 6 weeks from now that this is going to happen!!! Please if you don’t believe me do your research and find out for yourself!!! THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT TO IGNORE!!!! THIS IS OUR FREEDOM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE! Please get the word out ,because we don’t have very much time at all.

  • michael

    Elephants never forget. They will come for their revenge sooner or later.

    • Johnnyrite

      Great comment Michael!

  • ole hunter

    DONATE TO GREEN PEACE>> SEA SHEPPARD AND FLAMING ARROW, ALF, ELF and the IRA… Check their web sites out!!!
    USE YOUR VISA CARD or MASTER CARD

    ITS INTERESTING HOW GLOBAL CORPORATE BANKS ARE USED TO FUND TERROR!!!!!!!!
    WHERE IS MR. MYERS ON THAT ISSUE!!!!!!!!

    DOES MOBIL OIL SPONSOR SEA SHEPPARD??????????????????

    DOES VISA SPONSOR TERRORISM.

    • Robert

      Stop using all capital letters. Protocol considers it rude and yelling. I skip over all replies that are all in upper case. Consider the responder as illiterate.

  • Carol

    We all have to step up and save Mother Earth or there will be no Mother Earth to save and that is a fact.

  • ONTIME

    Green Peace is run by a communist, same can be said for the ACLU, they do work hand in hand to push for legislation that will impair the normal flow of free market business done in this country and interfere with the rights of victims that have suffered from criminal abuse and then label it freedom of civil rights for a smoke screen. The courts time is used and abused the citizens suffer inordinate persecution due to misapplied law and bought off jurisdiction. Sweetheart justice is a mainstay of the environmentalist, they influence the courts by pushing for activist judicial appointments, thereby extending their socialistic idealolgy and making life difficult for those seeking jurisprudence by presenting real evidence and fact in a court of law.

    The NAZI’s were especially adept at using envvironmental issues to deny justice and then putting the free market into to a spin by indulging a collusion by corporation and government complicity. Prices were set the market controlled and competition was reduced to a bare minimum….Does all this sound real familiar? Well you do know what happened to the NAZI’s.

    • http://www.pcelementz.com Mr. Bruce

      Since you must be an expert in the field of socialism, can you name two types of socialist societies that have existed in history and give us all a comparison on how they are like our society in the U.S.?

  • Dr. John A.

    Vic, I agree with you! In the ’80s’ the alarm was Global Cooling, once proven wrong it became Global Warming. Now that this is also being proved wrong, the new alarm statement is Climate Change.
    My nephew, who is in his 2nd year of college, is an aspiring Environmental Scientist that was just telling me about being taught about the dwindling number of polar bear in Alaska. Me being a scientist myself, challenged him to produce the documents that he got these facts from. To which he stated, “My teacher is teaching us this.” My advice to him was to research these facts online because the exact opposite is true!! It seems that our colleges and universities are being poisoned with idiological principals and are teaching our youth similarly. And, what a better trumpeter for this ill cause than Al Gore himself. Let us also remember, that while he was Govenor of his state, before he became this country’s Vice President, his state ranked last or near last when compared with the other states, in many environmental issues!! Something that one would’ve assumed would have hurt President Clinton’s efforts with the environment, but didn’t.

  • ole hunter

    Its interesting how Myers only tells the facts as he sees them.
    Enviormental Terrorist recruiting is on the rise around the world because of “Corporatists” like Mr. Myers.

    How much of Canadas oil and Natural gas stays in Canada?… dont the Citizens of Canada own the oil that Foreign owned corporations are removing from Canada and selling to China?????
    Why doesnt ALL the Oil Produced in Canada stay in Canada?
    If all the oil produced in Canada stayed in Canada there would no more Mr. Myers and there would never be a energy crisis in Canada.

    How much of oil produced in the United States stays in the United States?

    Does Myers and others like him hold hands with China, while Chinese made Weapons kill Canadian an U.S soldiers and CONTRACTORS in Afghanistan and Iraq?

    Mr. Myers and other “CORPORATISTS” like Mr. Myers are very similar to The Enviromental Terrorist. Both Group types are control freaks and use other peoples money, greed and even fear to gain fame fortune and control.

    And Mr. Myers Elephant story, kinda makes my point… the end justifies the means as long as its for his means and way of thinking.

    The Enviro Terrorist is Nuts and so are the people that think like Mr. Myers !!!!

    • John Myers

      Dear ole hunter,

      Canadians don’t own the oil in Canada; the shareholders in companies own the oil. The Feds and provinces get a royalty on production and tax the companies and resident shareholders on profits.

      These same private companies want to maximize profits and thus sell their production to the United States or any other buyers, thus not keeping it locked up in Canada’s tundra.

      As for the United States, every last drop produced in the nation is burnt by Americans. U.S. oil imports are now at a record high, with production at the same low levels it was when Truman was President.

      As for being a “Corporatists”, I don’t even know what that word means.

      For where I stand on other conservation ships, I stand against them endangering human life in the effort to make political points.

      John Myers

      • ole hunter

        Mr. Myers,
        A Corporatist; is a individual that must use others money to make their own living but makes nothing, produces or contributes nothing useful to society but yet suggests they are useful….

        Corporatism; is the belief in using others money , property, business or countries natural resources to obtain personal gain.

        Mr. Myers, I to am against human lives being lost to promote a political veiw point or being lost for financial gain!!

      • John Myers

        A Corporatist sounds like a Capitalist. What you say against that sounds very much like Marx, in The Communist Manifesto.

        I say this without malice; rather it is just my observation.

        And I do appreciate that you hold human life sacred.

        Best,

        John Myers

        sacred.
        Best,

        John Myers

      • http://www.pcelementz.com Mr. Bruce

        So, do you believe that this has to do with peak oil? Or is this all the politicians fault for not letting us drill in anwr?

        What are the odds of a shell geologist in 1950, predicting peak oil in 1970 and then oil peaking in 1970 if it doesn’t have to do with peak oil?

      • john

        Just a short note. The global warming bs is soley for the purpose to destroy the US. There is plenty of oil available within our borders. At last count to my knowledge we have ANWAR, Bakken oil reserve which has about 508 billion barrels of light sweet crude and a whole heck of a lot of oil in Florida. The total amount is somewhere about 200 years worth of oil to supply us. Now stretch that with wind power, solar power and a few other sources yet to be considered, we have more energy within our borders to power our country for at least 500 years or more. One such source has an estimated 1,4 peta watts of energy ready to be tapped. That is one billion megawatts of power which is capable of powering the entire planet for 100 years.

  • CR Engelking

    Ever notice that when a conservative decides he/she doesnt like something he/she doesnt use it/do it?

    Ever notice that when a liberal doesnt like something he/she tries to prevent everybody else from using it?

    • DaveH

      Yep, misery loves company.

    • JeffH

      That theory doesn’t float with the lefty libs. They can’t see the forest for the trees. Look how screwed up California is. The environmentalists and tree huggers have virtualy destroyed Californias’ industries through regulation. They would rather see wild animals die from disease because of overpopulation than die at the hand of a hunter who puts that meat on his table and helps to keep the game healthy through game managment, a proven success that has game numbers exploading in the US. The dollars spent by sportsman are what sustains and enhances the habitat so we don’t lose this important resource.

      • DaveH

        Jeff,
        I guess I am going to quit trying to educate the people to reality, because MR.BRUCE says it is useless.

      • http://www.pcelementz.com Mr. Bruce

        No answer huh? Where was your free market, when corporate bimbos begged congress for bailouts? That is reality dave… Unfortunately to prove that free markets don’t work millions of people have to die off, and for most people that would go on their conscience, so don’t expect someone to prove it to you.

        Not that everybody has a conscience…

      • DaveH

        Search using the phrase ‘economic freedom’ and read about the realities of free markets vs. heavily regulated markets. Get some education.

      • http://www.pcelementz.com Mr. Bruce

        Really? Kind of like Enron in California in 1999 right? You mean that free market?

        This one right here?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dm61gVae-I&feature=player_embedded

        This is what men do in “free” do want thou wilst, markets…

        How can you be mad at the “free market” banks and support free markets at the same time?

        Do you understand why it’s kind of an oxy-moron?

      • DaveH

        Did I say we have a free-market? Of course there are companies that feed at the government trough. They couldn’t force their way on us without the Big Government as their bully-boys.

  • Thomas O. Nass

    Just wanted to let you know that we in the proces of filling your Order for more crayons. Thank you for your Order.

  • AntonioSosa

    More and more scientists and thinking people all over the world are realizing that “man-made global warming” is a hoax that threatens our future and the future of our children.

    More than 700 international scientists dissent over man-made global warming claims. They are now more than 13 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

    Additionally, more than 30,000 American scientists have signed onto a petition that states, “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” http://www.petitionproject.org

    If man-made CO2 really increased the earth’s temperature, we should be burning more oil and producing more CO2 because the earth is really COOLING.

  • DaveH

    Have you noticed how the Libs have replaced the phrase ‘Global Warming’ with ‘Climate Change’. That way they can go both ways (both sexually and ideologically now). Tricky suckers, they are.

    There is nothing wrong with having moral convictions such as “an extreme position I’ve come to hold, just because I think it is morally unjustified to kill elephants,” Moss said”. When it becomes wrong is when you force those moral convictions on others. Isn’t it ironic that the same Liberals who want to eradicate religious morals from public life have no problem trying to force their ‘green’ morality on the rest of us.
    Big Government is force, not reason.

    • David

      You know what’s sad…..our local chamber of commerce is trying to decide whether or not to back this legislation. They are leaning towards supporting because of the pressure from the big utilities. So we sent out an email to no less than 100 area companies…many with smokestacks. Now I am having to spend a huge amount of time explaining to them what cap/trade will mean to them, even if they are not subject to the actual cap tax. Unreal!

  • James Corbin

    Vic, You are exactly right and Al Gore also!!!! They speak oF globel warming——–in my state, we have had a cool summer!! It’s all about money for Al Gore. Doesn’t stop him from using his jet with all the pollution, plus all the electricity!!!

    • DaveH

      Make no mistake, this is not about environmentalism. It is all about the Liberal Leaders making money on their alternative energy schemes. What else would explain all the environmental hypocrisy that they exhibit? And their blindered followers just keep following. Baa a a. Baa a a.

      • BillyJ

        Dave, what are your views on conversation, the environment and our high usage of the earths resources? Just curious.

  • http://none Dale

    This is for the extreme environmentalists, if they have guts enough to read it. Environmentalists are hypocrites with Obama and Gore as their supreme leader gods.

    In the videos I saw the protestors wearing T-shirts, Jeans, shoes, and watches. Bet they drove their cars to the protests, communicated with their cell phones. The ones that protested on the water were in boats that consumed energy to manufacture. Bet some had gas or electric motors too.

    To be a true environmental one would have to shun all forms of energy consumption. Run naked, build their own shelter without tools, grow their own food using a stick to till the ground, make their own medicine from nature, no doctors, no products made by man.

    Everything takes energy to produce, even the books and computers used to train doctors, Using energy’s benefits violates the environmentalist’s code. Come on Environmentalists you cannot have it both ways. You cannot ask or expect others to do what you also don’t do.

    On second thought, even plants and animals consume energy so it is impossible to be a true environmentalist. It even takes energy to commit suicide so it is impossible to be energy free.

    • s c

      What irks me most about ecoretards is their absolute rejection of common sense. To them, all that matters is whether or not something sounds good or feels good. What they really have is a false god (gore) and a religion based on hypocrisy. They REFUSE to admit that their “god” got a nobel peace prize because he lost an election. He probably can’t change a light bulb by himself, and they have the gall to see him as ALL-KNOWING! Gore will NEVER admit that he’ll do ANYTHING to get rich via the global warming HOAX. Ecozombies have a world-class loser for a god, and he has mindless, economy destroyers for followers. They deserve each other.
      I’ll take my chances with common sense. Gore and his tree-groping ecozombies can catch the next star cruiser and move to another universe – NOW!

    • denniso

      Dale,
      you’re a bit off the wall,fella. Environmentalists know that human populations need energy..we just think we should use less and cleaner energy rather than the dirtiest. We don’t want the earth and our children’s future ruined by gluttinous over consumption. The U.S. uses 25% of the worlds energy and we have only 5% of the population..something’s wrong w/ that. If the rest of the world starts consuming like us, the world won’t support it.
      NO one is saying to give up all energy use..get real!!

      • BillyJ

        denniso, I agree, our greed has also landed us in the financial crisis we are now trying to dig ourselves out from under. Americans need to adhere to our Chrisitan values, and be more concerned about our brothers in other countries. Greed is usually the downfall of the greatest civilizations. We have a very selfish and greedy attitude about the worlds resources and it is a little ironic and hyocritical to profess that this country is Christian, without honoring those Christian beliefs. The preachers,priests and rabbis need to minister to the people, they seem to have forgotten the little phrase about “brothers keeper”.

  • Tim

    I wonder if they relize that if they are blowing up sour gas lines, there is the danger of Hydrogen Sulfide killing numerous inocent lives. There is more at stake than just their STUPID agenda. Yes we do need to curtail or dependency on fossil fuels but till there is an dependabe alternative LEAVE THE PRODUCTION FACILITY’S ALONE.

    • DaveH

      Tim,
      For them it isn’t about Reason, it is about Force.

  • Alan

    It is obvious Greenpeace and its ilk are interested in rational discourse on the matter. Nor are they interested in mitigating what they see as a problem in the consumption of petroleum. These people should be treated in a manner commensurate with their tactics. Perhaps imprisonment in some place above the Artic circle would be appropriate.
    That these people are interested in raising money for disruption rather than solutions reveals they are not up to the task of solving a problem they seem not to be able to identify clearly to begin with.
    It would be intersted to learn just how money they have consumed to be irrational when they could have been doing the honest work of creating intelligent solutions to the problems they perceive.

    • DaveH

      Because it takes work and innovation to pursue positive solutions.

      • BillyJ

        Something, that neither party has wished to do. It took gas going to $5.50 a gallon for the people in this country to get concerned. Which is not as much as the europeans are paying. We are definately spoiled and selfish, and only respond when a situation reaches a crisis.

  • Snowbird In New Hampshire, USA

    Quote: “In everything both great and small, we see the hand of God in all…”

    • David

      By 2011 our children will all be saying the pledge of allegiance again….just wait and see.

      • Snowbird In New Hampshire, USA

        Well Dave ~ Money won’t do a darn thing for ya; but then again neither will therapy… (smile)..:-)

      • Snowbird In New Hampshire, USA

        Oop’s that was meant for David!!!

      • David

        I think you missed my point…is it already too cold up there?

      • Snowbird In New Hampshire, USA

        It’s 42 degrees here now but it will be down to 30 this evening.

      • JeffH

        I sure hope so.

  • Snowbird In New Hampshire, USA

    Question: Why did Obama evict the Christian Bible from our WHITE house? Pray tell…

    • DaveH

      Religion stands in the way of those who aspire to totalitarianism.

  • Vic Bailey, Auburn, Georgia

    It’s just like the overpopulation of deer right here in the United States, some people would rather see them starve, than have hunter take it home and put it in a freezer.
    Just like this global warming CRAP, winters are getting colder, it’s because of the solar flares are on the decline, it’s just another way to steal money from the taxpayer, the government knows , you can’t fix stupid, and they know fear tacitcs work, if it were so bad would Al Gore be waisting so much energy every day, no, but he has a lot of money tied up in all kinds of businesses that will profit from this green house cap and trade policy. He’s not by himself, a lot of wall street is on the band wagon. Just remember people the bigger the lie the easier it is to believe.
    Like the old saying goes, wake up and smell the coffee!!!!

    • American Citizen

      You’re right on, the climate depends upon the actions of the sun, man can do nothing about it. Why the do-gooders try to play God is beyond me. They only make things worse. Idiots!

    • trut

      When the solar flares return we may see increases in temperature that are almost unimaginable.

      • http://www.pcelementz.com Mr. Bruce

        So these solar flares never happened in the past 10,000 years before now?

    • David

      Yes and China is just praying that we adopt cap/trade so nat gas and coal will become cheaper for them to buy as their new fossil power plants go online!

      I do agree with Lloyd at the top…”was that someone strapped to my bulldozer? Oh well they should not have been on private property. Then the idoits will stop.

      It is about time for the majority to stand up and take this country back.

      • DaveH

        David,
        My cousin was elk hunting in Wyoming. As he was driving down a narrow dirt road towards elk country, a small group of radicals were blocking the road. He got out and asked them to move. They refused, so he told them “fine, I’m going through, stand there if you want”. He got in his car and started driving; they moved.

      • Rod

        Gosh Dave, I sure wish they hadn’t moved!

      • http://www.pcelementz.com Mr. Bruce

        Great, let’s take it back and get rid of government! Let’s get rid of the police, fire, military, schools, libraries, evil bankers and post office and all of our laws other than the constitution.

        When you get rid of all those things, I’m just begging to know what you plan on doing when someone breaks in your home while you’re away and steals your life savings…. ah ah ah… Can’t call the police, that would be socialism. We tried that in europe right?(parrot)

        What happens if something happens to you that disables you? Does anyone here actually believe if you were dying you wouldn’t ask for help? I guess you would rather die off than have a public aid option right? This would be socialism too.

        Everyone here knows that in a fit of rage, you would reverse your position on government/public programs if you got knocked on your a$$.
        Can’t you guys show just a little bit of restraint and humbleness instead of being so damn cocky?

        I really want to know what you guys plan on doing once you get rid of the government, the bankers, and the liberals. Will you appoint like rush limbaugh as prime minister and glen beck as secretary of defense?
        Then maybe just nuke iran? Get rid of all the muslims in the world maybe? Or maybe have barack hung for some deranged idea that somehow he caused all these problems? Or anytime someone comes up with a conspiracy theory online, assume it’s real and take aggressive action?

        Reality check:

        Lets take back the country! Oh yeah… we already did…
        We elected barack obama and he won by a landslide…. doh!

        I’ll give you a good analogy of “taking back the country”.

        General Lee at the battle of Gettysburgh.

        Lot’s of good hearted southern men fighting against morality and reason, cocky as hell, were sent to their death, trying to defend principles that are unjust and sound. Things haven’t changed much.

        Do you “take back the country” folks know who or what you are after?
        And Why are you after them? Yes, we’re all pissed that the country and most of us are broke as hell while bankers get bailouts and bonuses. So I guess barack is part of the evil banking clan, along with bush for keeping the U.S. banking system solvent and not causing national and probably worldwide financial collapse? Seriously? Is it even possible to be angry at the banks and believe in the free market 44:1 buying on margin bullsh1t that caused this at the same time?

        Do you have any real evidence of some of your silly claims? Or is all this just for attention?

        I’m really curious…

      • BillyJ

        Mr. Bruce, you pose some interesting questions.

      • DaveH

        All you have to do is watch your TV (commercials) to see that private police forces are already working for many homeowners (who apparently don’t feel they get enough protection from the police) – Broadview Security, ADT, etc.
        But your argument is fallacious because most people aren’t complaining about the police, fire department, military, libraries, or the bankers. They are complaining about our tax money being given to organizations like the corrupt ACORN, or the SEIU, or the UAW, all examples of vote-buying by Obama. They are complaining about the money that is wasted by the government on pork-barrel projects that really aren’t needed. They are complaining about the debt that the government is forcing on us and our children and grandchildren.
        They are complaining about the money that is being taken from hard-working citizens to be given to those who aren’t making an effort.
        When this country is impoverished by all the wasteful spending, the leaders and their cohorts will be fine as they were in the USSR, and as they are in China, or Cuba, or Venezuela. The rest of the citizens can eat cake.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, you can’t begin to reason with these fools. They just can’t see the bigger picture. If they really did their homework and realized what this guys intentions are, then they are either stupid to the facts or just want government to run every facet to their lives. And I thought the Bush administration was bad, who am I trying to kid. Who needs freedom anyway!

      • American Citizen

        If you can’t see what they’re trying to do to our Constitution, then you are intellectually blind. They now want to do away with the 1st Amendment, our freedom of speech. Obama is as thin skinned as you can get and has no business being the president of this country. As presidents before him have said, “The buck stops here” and “if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”

    • Thurman Marcum

      Vic Bailey,

      I agree with you.It is solar activities,that is creating climate changes.In nineteen-seventies, we were about to enter the ice age.Today,its global warming.Al Gore is full of it.
      We need to start working on alternative energy sources,without jeopardizing our economy.This global warming theory is nothing but hot air.I am from the left.Have a good day.

      • libertytrain

        Thurman, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

      • Thurman Marcum

        Liberty,

        How do they explain the planet Mars?It is getting warmer. I like to ask that conterfeit liberal Al Gore that. I am a true liberal,he is not.We keep a open mind and if we are proven wrong,we will be the first ones to admit our mistakes.

      • libertytrain

        Thurman – I don’t know about Mars getting warmer but I’m sure it has something to do with George W. Bush – (Ok, you were supposed to smile.) I’ll be happy to keep an open mind on this global warming issue – - I have to be able to admit my mistakes, I’m not that bright, I make many.

      • DaveH

        You’re a good man Thurman.

      • American Citizen

        True climatologists who do actual research claim we are in a cooling period. They do not rely on those computer models which are built on opinion.

      • BillyJ

        We were promised in the 70′s that we would come off of oil, and that we would upgrade our electric grid. We did neither, due to the influence that the Oil companies have in this country. If a terrorist wanted to stop this country, our electric grid would be the place to strike. I have never liked the idea of being dependent on another country for our fuel, and had hoped that we would be smart enough to invest in other sources. Today, I must state that our officials must have been taking pay offs, as we have done nothing to stop pollution or our dependence on oil.

      • JeffH

        I have to agree with you also. I duck hunt so I have watched the climate change since the late 60′s to the point that we, in California , lost our Indian Summers and Santa Ana winds in late September and the heavy rains didn’t start until Feb. or March. Now it is starting to rain in October again. Have we gone full circle? Global Warming is just a guess at best, man hasn’t lived long enough to make an accurate study, but an educated guess is the best that can be done give or take 10,000 years.

      • DaveH

        Jeff,
        The debate isn’t whether or not Global Warming is occurring. The debate is whether it is man-made or not. More particularly, even if a small portion is man-made, is it worth government intervention to stop that small portion? There is a lot of money to be made by certain alternative-energy corporations if the government can force their products on the citizens. Another aspect is that many other countries of the world see it as a way to hobble the United States and redistribute our wealth.

      • JeffH

        I do understand that and I agree.

  • http://www.jointhesolution.com/redriverd Walt

    I love all the do-gooders that have NO real answers to these and other problems in the world. Don’t they read? Don’t they know history? One of our great presidents Teddy Roosevelt, an acclaimed hunter, tried to stop hunting in the Grand Canyon during his presidency. It worked, except for the fact that there was not enough food for all the animals so they were dying of starvation (not a pretty site to be sure) and he re-instated hunting on a limited basis so as to keep the animals and environment in balance and it has worked ever since and not only there but throughout the US. Come on people, get real and LEARN.
    And on an additional note, I have come across a heck of a solution for some of our use of fossil fuels.
    But like anything else, people just don’t get it. Something is better than NOTHING! We have to wean ourselves OFF FOSSIL FUELS. Just 10% would be fantastic. But no one seems to be able to see the fantastic opportunity that this company has provided us. All I ask is that you visit the site and let me know what you think about it and why people aren’t taking an interest, either as a customer or as a business opportunity. Thanks for reading and giving me the opportunity to voice my opinion.

    • Vic Bailey, Auburn, Georgia

      I agree with you, the only thing is that people will NOT educate themselves they want to put it in the government’s hands which would be a disaster. We do need to take the responsibility that comes with the rights we want and have. Everybody wants their rights but don’t want the responsibility that comes with them!!!

    • BigA

      I work in energy for a living and have done a lot of research in “alternative” fuels. Even to use these “alternatives” cost more in fuel than just using hydrocarbon fuels. For example, until recently, batteries for a hybrid used more fuel to make than a years supply of gasoline. Where an internal combustion engine can be 60% efficient (40% of the fuel energy is lost in heat). At the most, the electricity used to charge an electric vehicle is only 40% efficient at your home outlet (60% of the fuel energy is lost in production at the plant and though heat as it is transported to your home) and that does not include the losses in the car. I have found the most efficient energy sources are the simplest. I agree that we need to reduce our use but not so much to change fuels, but to use less. We plan our outings to coincide with other things. For example, we take one car, drop “mom” off at the gym, go shopping with the kids to get our weeks worth of food and other items (visit stores in a circuit so we do not back track at all in our path), maybe visit “grandma”, then pick “mom” up at the gym. I will have to say that compared to friends of similar family makup, we have cut our gasoline consumption by half.

      • DaveH

        Nice comment, Big, thank you.

      • http://www.pcelementz.com Mr. Bruce

        Let me hear you say my ev I charge from a 1kw solar array on my roof is 40 percent efficient….

        Now whats the excuse?

      • DaveH

        This article is a year and a half old, so we may be there by now:
        http://reason.com/blog/2007/02/21/solar-power-too-cheap-to-meter

        If the costs of solar energy are comparable to that which we get from our electric sockets, then it would make sense to go in that direction. If the price of solar power is economical and environmentally friendly (unlike the giant wind generators), then the consumers will buy it willingly without the force of government being involved.
        As far as Electric Vehicles go, the initial price and the inconvenience so far outweigh the savings. I personally would love to have a hybrid vehicle, but the upfront costs currently would not be recouped by the gas savings. And I figure that the next environmental calamity will be what to do with all those batteries as they wear out.
        I am all for clean energy, but it has to be cost-effective and willingly embraced by the citizens rather than being forced down their throats by Big Government and its host of Corporate benefactors.
        If our nation is impoverished by Big Government waste, then we won’t have the money to do the right things for the environment.

  • Russell Skadberg

    They have said it themselves. People are not important to them. If they disrupt the production of energy (that provides a better life for everyone) they need to be taken out by what every means necessary. Not to say that the processing of energy should harm the environment but that they need to be reasonable.

    • DaveH

      The problem is, as previously pointed out, that they are trespassing.

      Most Liberals are all about force. They are perfectly capable of gathering large amounts of money (the same money they use to terrorize business) and using it to purchase large tracts of land which they can then preserve in whatever fashion they so desire. Some have done this. I applaud those people. The others are lowlifes.

  • Ted Christy

    Hi John,
    Enjoyed your article. You have the natural common sense of your father.Common sense seems to be a rare commodity these days.

    In the late seventies I subscribed to Meyer’s Finance and Energy which I enjoyed very much. He predicted gold to reach $1000.00 per oz. I took his advice and bought 20 oz at the 200.00 dollar range. I made out real well on that one.

    Keep up the good work.

    Ted christy
    Columbus, Ohio

    • John Myers

      Dear Ted,
      Thanks for your kind remarks.
      Warmly,
      John

      • Dr Robert Blease

        Envirnomentalsit, conservationalists and animal welfare supporters should be able to work together for the good of all. What makes sense for one, generally is good for all. Its to bad that sensationalism is what gets all the attention. Organizations like Green Peace and PETA have to resort to violence and civil disability for funding. Please look at our organization: common sense for animals .org and its six divisions. One philosophy covers all. We support farmers, sportsmen, companion pets, research animals, wildlife and the clean environment.

      • DaveH

        If you’re talking about voluntary solutions without the coercion of government, I applaud you.

      • denniso

        John Myers,
        Did you have to use such an incendiary title for your narrowly focused article.I guess you think it’s funny to talk about nuking people..What a great image in a world of spiraling violence.A little juvenile, don’t you think?

      • BillyJ

        With your use of such a title, it’s no wonder we have people like Llyod who respond with hate and are promoting killing. It is up to responsible journalists to avoid inciting the masses to the point of wanting to kill the subjects of your articles. I did find your article informative.

      • JeffH

        BillyJ, eyes…why don’t you list everyone that is promoting violence and killing on this site besides the idiot Lloyd. I don’t see it, but then I must not have my “eyeswideopen”!

  • Thomas Bendoraitis

    Forget the environmentalists…Why are Canadians pay exorbitant taxes while Exxon, Suncor, Chevron etc. rape the country and siphon off all of the profits while we have hungry children in every city in the land and all our jobs are being shipped off to China and India. Think a little bit beyond your packaged ideology of give to the rich and rob the poor. Any kind of statement is better than just allowing corporate rape and pollution of the tribe’s assets. We need a Canadian Hugo Chavez style mentality to give the country back to Canadians and keep Canada alive and not simply falling into the NA Union trap with its Amero dollar, a feudal empire controlled by a Judas cult.

    • http://widne@facebook.com Sidney Wagner

      Today’s newspaper has an article about the state of the economy in Venezuela under Hugo Chevez. Central planning always fails, that is why they are having to ration water and suffer damaged electronics because of a lack of electrical power. The country is rich in oil revenue that Hugo is squandering on his thirst for power in the region.

    • DaveH

      The tax problem is the one you should be addressing Tom. But to replace the voluntary contracts of capitalism with the force of Big Government is a huge mistake. Restrictive government regulations strangle an economy. Do a search on ‘economic freedom’ and find out which countries do the best – heavily regulated (like Chavez’s) or those that adopt economic freedom.
      Big Government is the problem not the solution.

      • BillyJ

        Dave, you should warn people not to search Denmark, as they are rated the happiest in the world and they have many socialist programs, along with a high tax rate.

      • DaveH

        Read this article Billy.
        http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/10/09/are-living-standards-higher-in-denmark-or-the-united-states/

        Keep in mind that every country has their own unique set of circumstances – heredity, work ethic, topography, etc., so it is difficult to compare one to the other based purely on their political structure. The true litmus test is when a country adopts a radically different political pathway than the past, such as Chile, or Hong Kong. If you really want to learn, type ‘economic freedom’ into your search field and start reading. Read several different articles from different sources, as admittedly, some are biased. You just have to read as much as possible, use your own life experiences, and come to your own conclusions about what makes sense and what doesn’t.
        For instance, if you explored the causes of the Great Depression, you would find that theories abound. So you have to read many different treatises and make up your own mind as to what makes the most sense.

  • Lloyd Scallan

    If you want to stop Greenpeace and other such types, kill them. If they show up on any site to disrupt any work progress, don’t call the
    cops, that gives them more exposure, just kill them. I will assure
    you within a few weeks, all of this anarchist movement will end.

    • Disgusted

      There are many other uses for that point of view. I believe our over crowded prisons could use it. If a person is guilty of murder, guess what his punishment should be. The way the system is now they can get for free – better health care, dental care and in some cases an education that I can’t even afford and I haven’t committed a crime. And here in Wisconsin we now have a murderer (who turned the shotgun on himself after killing his girlfriend)that will be receiving reconstructive surgery on his face at my expense….unbelievable. When and where does it end. Sorry to have gotten off topic, but man this stuff really makes my blood boil. This country is so out of whack its crazy. Why does it seem that thes specialists groups always get their way when they are only a small percentage of the population?

      • seeitgotohell

        The more scared that people are the more control that the government (federal,state, local) has over us.

      • CabotAR

        You are so correct. We all sit in front of the TV & are too lazy to step into the streets to protest as the colonist did just prior to the American Revolution.

        All I can suggest is vote in 2010 & send a strong message that we want govt. out of our lives.

      • johnk

        I really dont think its laziness that keeps most people from protesting its that most people have responsabilites and jobs and cant afford to take off and protest.It aint right that hard working Americans that take pride in what they do and in there country and contribute something to society keep getting pissed on by there elected officals beacuse these greenpeace loving fruits dont worrie about contributing anything and have all the time they need to protest and tell everybody just how bad oil,coal,hunting hell now eatihg meat is bad for the enviorment so they protest washington puts in new regulations and taxes to help save the enviorment from our evil ways which comes back around to take more money out of our pockets it just ain’t right.

      • Winginit

        BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOOOO MUCH MONEY!!!! ALGORE

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Disgusted – One way to stop the bleeding hearts from trying to abolish the death penalty is to make them take a couple of the offenders out of the prisons, take them into their home – feed – house and maintain a favorable living condition for them and I’d bet they would stop fighting for them.
        If they had to financially care for them and have them in their own personal life they would not want any part in it.

      • John

        Dee,
        I agree with you put the low-life’s in the lib’s homes and let the bleeding heart liberals be their care givers.
        We can also set up half-way houses in the most liberal states and neighborhoods.

        As for Greenpeace, perhaps we could secure the most vulnerable areas with guard dogs and let the dogs have them.

    • trut

      If the protesters are killed that would send the wrong message for all protests. Do you think the Tea Parties should have been rounded up and shot too?

      • seeitgotohell

        Protests are to be made on public, not private property. Especially not in a dangerous work zone. Those protesters are behaving stupidly. They are not changing anyones minds, they are just reinforcing the idea that they are loons. It’s like an innocent man accused of beating his wife yelling and screaming his head of in court that he is innocent, people will not believe him. If they want to have a bigger impact they need to quit behaving like children. Personally I believe that we need to find other means on powering our society than oil but right now it is necessary. What they need to do is put their energy into trying to get laws passed that require us to find better solutions to our energy demands than oil

      • DaveH

        Seeit,
        The free market will solve those problems when needed. As oil becomes scarcer and prices go up, alternative energy will step in to fill the gap. As the Liberals love to whine, those ‘greedy’ corporations will jump on the chance to make money when that opportunity presents itself. And what is wrong with that? It is the kind of greed that builds an economy as opposed to the type of greed that the Liberals possess which tears down an economy.
        Right now the other schemes still aren’t economically viable and should not be forced on us.

      • s c

        When it comes to ecoloonies, I never know if it’s time to laugh or cry. If these self-made retards are so responsible, then how can they have any time to protest or damage equipment or regurgitate the rotten pablum their ‘leaders’ demand they hurl at everyone else. DO ANY OF THESE LOWER LIFE FORMS HAVE JOBS?
        None of them have the guts or the brains to ADMIT that it will take a lot of time to see alternative energies be made available. WHAT HAVE THESE USELESS SLIMERS BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS? In their primordial minds, it’s OK for us to live in a third world country (anything to make them happy).
        Isn’t it bad enough that they are detached from reality? These willing victims of their own RELIGION (first church of mama earth). HOW COULD ANYONE IN HIS RIGHT MIND LOOK UP TO SOMEONE LIKE al (don’t call me rich, call me ‘enlightened’ gore)? Gore
        still doesn’t know up from down or in from out.
        Ecoloonies, if they had any integrity, they’d round themselves up and live in their own concentration camps. That way, they could emulate FDR and his ‘compassionate concentration camps’ in WWII. Will they do it? OF COURSE NOT! They’re all mindless obamazombies and self-lovers. They’re too busy showing the world how easy it is to be terminally stupid. LOSERS! HYPOCRITES! LOVERS OF INSANITY!

      • DaveH

        I’m sure that have ulterior motives. Somebody must be funding them. The question is what are those motives? Are they trying to hobble competition for another company? Are they trying to force us to use alternative energy which isn’t yet competitive? Are they working for government leaders who are seeking more power over the citizens?
        Somebody needs to thoroughly investigate these people.

      • http://www.pcelementz.com Mr. Bruce

        Dave, unfortunately you, along with many others will just have to learn the hard way that there is no form of greed that is “good”. Free market? Where was the “free” market when gov bailed out almost every institution in the U.S.? Laissez-faire economics is finished…. Whether you like it or not. You’re wasting your time debating the subject.

      • DaveH

        Oh, by all means, Annointed One, I shall give up my pursuit of freedom because you say it is useless. Get real.

      • BillyJ

        DaveH. Why is it that when anyone disagrees with your comments, you sink to the level of calling them names? Annonited one? Very few ever seems to call you on your disrespectful comments, when they do, you try to get the whole site to attack that person. It seems that if you deem someone to be a liberal, which will be anyone who disagrees with you, you use phrases and comments to degrade that person, are you so weak on your beliefs that you need to do that?

      • JeffH

        BillyJ, you need to look in the mirror after you made your comment to DaveH. Now who is calling others names.

      • BillyJ

        Jeff, I don’t think that Dave needs you to defend him. You are not reading the post correctly. I did not call him any names.

      • DaveH

        Billy,
        He told me “You’re wasting your time debating the subject”. My response was appropriate in that context.
        For Mr. Bruce,
        If you have read any of my comments on the other subjects you would know that I don’t condone the ‘bailouts’. But if you do some research you will see that the Congress was majority Democrat at the time of the bailouts. Bush should have vetoed the ‘bailouts’ but Bush is a fiscal Liberal if you don’t know that already. He was promoted by the MSM in the Republican primaries because he was one of the most Liberal of the Republican candidates, as was McCain in the recent elections. I don’t vote for either of those parties.

      • DaveH

        And Billy, your comment “you try to get the whole site to attack that person” is totally fallacious. Show me a single comment where I have called for help from anyone else.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        trut – No just the organizers of the tea party’s should be shot.

      • DaveH

        That’s right, they deserve death for their annoyance at being ripped-off by the Liberals. What right do they have to be protesting against their slavery?

      • BOE

        are you kidding? Do you have a white-hair grandma or grandpa? Because that`s who is at the tea parties. WW11 vets,hard working people who have saved and provided for their famlies. Not some sorry(WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) with bunch of kids waiting for more hand outs.

      • JeffH

        So you are an advocate of violence?

      • John

        The tea partiers were not causing property damage. They were passionate but nonviolent gatherings.

      • BillyJ

        Trut, excellent point.

    • Thomas O. Nass

      Lloyd,
      It sounds like you are for unhampered and uninterrupted destruction of our environment by the many and sundry of our largest polluters. Who, as you probably know, are also our largtest employers.
      It is my guess you feel that it is better to have “no planet” than be a “planet of the unemployed”.
      Tom Nass
      5th Marine Division – WWII

    • Robert

      How about keeping the conversation sensible.

      • libertytrain

        Robert, excellent thought – let’s hope for it to become so.

    • http://www.YOUniqueWealth.com/WealthHealth Dr. Kevin

      “When they came for the environmentalist, I did nothing.
      …When they came for me their was no one to stop them.”

      Shame on you all. Why do you get to decide who lives or dies with off the wall calls to kill people? When so real nutcase reads your inflammatory article and then kills someone, are you willing to go to court and defend your call for murder?

      • BillyJ

        Dr. Kevin, after reading the comments on this site, it is not unusual to read about the call to march on D.C. to physically remove the people from office(armed of course), to start a civil war, or to incite harm against those that the right wing has decided is responsible for all the ills of the country. Your comment will not get a response, as they don’t want to acknowledge their own radical views. Instead of calling out Llyod, they just ignore him, and stay on track with their own agenda.

      • JeffH

        Why is it when someone mentions marching on DC to take our country back, with no mention of arms or violence that there is immediate reaction by some that the intent is a civil war by guns. Drop the fear mongering.

      • JeffH

        Sorry BillyJ, I missed Lloyds original post, but I see assumptions quite often on others comments elsewhere.
        Lloyd is an idiot and only represents himself and not the conservatives or the liberals.

      • BillyJ

        Jeff, why is it that no one will call out someone like Llyod who makes those types of statements? There were at least 12 comments after his, in which not one person addressed the comment, everyone just seems to ignore that type of response and don’t take the effort to confront that type of language. When good men so nothing, is why we have the situation in Calf, where approximately 24 people stood around and did nothing when a young girl was being raped for 2.5 hours. The people on this site should be up in anyones face who is promoting violence of any sort, for any reason.

      • JeffH

        eyes, because his comments are not even worth wasting the effort on.

      • Dr Kevin

        Actually, I was also questioning John Myers, who should know better! Of course calls to “Nuking” anybody are just fat hot air coming from someone UNLESS they actually posess a nuclear weapon…I sure hope John Myers doesn’t have political connections in a country with nuclear capabilities…Waite he does! God help us.
        Oh never mind he didn’t call for environmentalist in the USA (in his back yard) to get ‘nuked’ he was calling for someone to nuke the environmentalist in Canada and other places in the world…waite a minute maybe that was Osama Bin Laden;s message…I give up.

    • BillyJ

      What party do you belong to? I certainly hope you are not a moderate Republican, as that kind of radical thinking will damage my party.

      • BillyJ

        My comment was to Llyod.

    • denniso

      Lloyd..you shouldn’t be allowed on this post..Your solution to anything/anyone you don’t like is, ‘KILL THEM’??? Boy, I can imagine you didn’t get very far in school and that’s pretty simplistic,barbaric thinking. I wonder if anyone disagrees w/ you and feels the same way you do about the solution??

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