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How to Securely Store Precious Metals

October 9, 2009 by  

How to Securely Store Precious Metals

If you own precious metals in physical form, you need to store them securely. But where?

The best strategy is to keep your metals in several secure locations. Ideally, at least one of these locations should be outside the country you live in.

Safety Deposit Boxes or Private Vaults

Safety deposit boxes and private vaults are good choices for physical security, but both have their drawbacks. Theft from safety deposit boxes is rare, but it does occur, and it’s unlikely your insurance—or the bank’s—will cover your loss. Private vaults are often more secure—and client records less accessible to investigators.

To keep your name off your holdings, form a limited liability company and hold the box in its name. You’ll still need to identify yourself when you rent the box, but the owner of record will be your LLC, not you. This precaution also insures tax authorities won’t seal the box at your death pending a probate proceeding.

However, in a full-blown financial emergency, banks and private vaults may be closed. You may not have access to your metals, at least temporarily. If you live in the United States, the government has assigned itself the authority to confiscate "any financial instrument" in a national emergency. Since gold and silver are money, they wouldn’t be exempt from a future confiscation order. (I’m NOT predicting this will happen—but it’s the law.)

Hiding Metals at Home

If you just have a few coins or bars, keep them in a hidden place at home. There are many possibilities: behind baseboards, paneling or walls; in a large houseplant; or even a hollowed out toothpaste tube. Use your imagination! If you have a large home, you may be able to create a secret room or compartment that’s revealed when you pull a hidden lever or pull a book from a bookshelf.

Concealing metals throughout your home has potential drawbacks. A hot fire can melt gold and silver. A thief with a metal detector may be able to find your hiding places, unless you’ve created fake stashes of nails, screws or other metallic objects.

A secure fireproof safe protects against both fire and theft. Install the safe in concrete in the floor, in a location that’s easily accessible, but not obvious. The top should be flush with the floor. Cover it with a rug or, even better, a false floor with a hidden hinge door built into it.

Hiding Metals Outdoors

The best way to hide metals outdoors is to bury them at least three feet underground on your own property. If you have a big backyard, you can bury the metals there. This doesn’t work if you have an immaculate lawn, unless you’re willing to completely reseed it. Otherwise, it will be obvious where you’ve dug the holes.

Use PVC piping to construct your own waterproof storage containers or purchase "Midnight Gardener"-type containers.

Put scrap metal or something else metallic on top of your stash. If anyone with a metal detector comes along, he will find the scrap metal, and hopefully, not dig deeper.

If you own substantial acreage, or have a really big yard, you can bury decoy caches. Bury scrap metal 18 inches or so under the yard at random intervals. Only the most persistent searcher will persevere after a few false alarms.

I don’t recommend burying metals on someone else’s property or on government-owned property (e.g., a national forest). If someone finds it, you probably have no legal claim to it.

Overseas Storage

If you need to leave your country in a hurry, offshore metals holdings could help you start a new life. An overseas metals cache may also be more difficult for your country’s government to confiscate.

If you own property in another country, you can store metals there the same way as in your permanent home. Theft may be a bigger threat abroad than at home, especially if your overseas property is in a less affluent country.

You can also keep precious metals in an offshore bank vault, offshore safe deposit box, or offshore private vault. If your holdings are large enough, you can use all three.

Your government may require you to report your offshore metals holdings. U.S. persons must annually report offshore "bank, securities, or other financial accounts" with an aggregate value exceeding US$10,000 to the U.S. Treasury.

To keep your name off your holdings, form an offshore company (e.g., offshore LLC) and hold the box in its name. The owner of record is the LLC, not you. Again, you may need to disclose an ownership interest in an offshore entity to your government. This is definitely the case for U.S. persons.

What’s the best way to hold precious metals? There are no perfect solutions, but many possibilities. If you believe that precious metals are a possible way to protect yourself in a global financial crisis, you’ll want to store your metals in several different places, in at least two different countries.

By Mark Nestmann
Copyright © 2009 by Mark Nestmann

Mark Nestmann

is president of The Nestmann Group, Ltd., an international consultancy that assists individuals in achieving their wealth preservation goals. He is also Tax and Asset Protection editor for The Sovereign Society and author of The Lifeboat Strategy: Legally Protecting Wealth and Privacy in the 21st Century, and other books and publications. He is a graduate of Denison University and holds a LL.M. (Master of Laws) in international tax law from the Vienna University School of Economics and Business Administration.

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  • anon-represented1

    Normal Guy,

    You are right about one thing you’re an idiot and it shows. Just another pro-liberal blogger hack not even worthy of debate. Don’t remove the lampshade from your head it suits you!

    • Normal Guy

      You are clearly incapable of debate just parroted platitudes. Hide in fear the conspiracies are going to bring everything down.

      Incidently, it is not a two party system, you can create a “delusional fear filled party” today if you want just because you can’t get any votes does not mean we have a two party system.

  • Larry

    As long as there is only a two party system we will pay.

  • anon-represented1

    Steve,
    The freedom of speech that you enjoy which quite clearly is taken for granted, will probably be among the first to be suppressed. Second there’s no need to trouble yourself with what is and isn’t under your bed, because it’s living in the White House right in plain sight. You can blame one party or another but fact is as long as there is a two party system we will always get the bill and buyers remorse. It’s tax the rich and bleed the poor. Watch your pennies because they will watch your de-valued dollars for you!

    • Normal Guy

      Anon

      Another reactionary who seems to hate this country.

      What is it with all the people here who claim to love their country but hate the government. This country is the best in the world, the system has it’s problem’s but it works. It has worked so well that we are the world’s leading nation. You people need to try a bit of reality; the conspiracy fantasy you live in is rotting your reason.

      • Dorothy

        We are not the “leading nation” anymore. China owns us!!

      • Normal Guy

        Well China has a trillion dollars of US debt. There GDP is currently about $4.7 trillion. So the US is still well ahead but the Chinese certainly have a strong position.

        Anyhow the US is not on the brink of annihilation, in fact, the next decade should be a good rebuilding cycle. If China continues to grow at current rates their domestic market will start to be a consumer economy. Lots of opportunities!

        One day 20 or 30 years from now they may surpass the US economy. So what!

      • eyeswideopen

        Billionaire(26.3) Sheldon Adelson, has gotten rich investing in China. He is also the biggest contributor to the Republican party. Maybe someone at the RNC should ask him to please start up some companies here in the good ole’ US of A.

    • eyeswideopen

      Ah!! another Libber. Libertarian. or just say Liberal, as that is wher their name comes from. heh heh,,, can’t fool us.

    • Willie Stoker

      anon-represented1, Excellent observation !!

  • Normal Guy

    You people, with the exception of Steve and Tak, should seek professional help. The world is not coming to an end, there are tremendous opportunities to prosper even though we have had a tough cycle. The future is bright. Globally the economic situation is improving, Australia, Canada, China, Brazil all doing well. The US has sat back for a couple of decades and clearly needs to step up and compete, the American economy may not be the global leader as China continues to emerge.

    So what, there are huge opportunities – all the dopey Libertarian stuff is a joke. Check out libertarian failures in New Zealand, and Chile. Consider what it means if economic restraints are not put on those that hyper accumulate in a libertarian model.

    You people need to get out of your backyard shelters give up the survivalist attitude and get real. Over the last century that you all rant about being the end of the greatness of the US. The world has never seen more prosperity. The US since the first world war has seen unprecedented growth and prosperity. The current debt that was triggered by trickle down economic theory and has grown from 1 trillion in the mid eighties to 11 trillion and rising is a problem but not one that can’t be solved.

    In short, give up the chicken little routine and get into the real world.

    Paranoia: Definition

    Is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others, sometimes reaching delusional proportions. Paranoid individuals constantly suspect the motives of those around them, and believe that certain individuals, or people in general, are “out to get them.”

    Delusional: Definition

    Delusions are irrational beliefs, held with a high level of conviction, that are highly resistant to change even when the delusional person is exposed to forms of proof that contradict the belief. Non-bizarre delusions are considered to be plausible; that is, there is a possibility that what the person believes to be true could actually occur a small proportion of the time. Conversely, bizarre delusions focus on matters that would be impossible in reality. For example, a non-bizarre delusion might be the belief that one’s activities are constantly under observation by federal law enforcement or intelligence agencies, which actually does occur for a small number of people.

    • DaveH

      There goes Normal Liberal with the name-calling, ridicule, and misinformation that identifies the typical pie-eyed Liberal. Your kind have taken over California, and where are they?
      Your kind have taken over most of the Northeast, and where are they?
      Keep on hoping and dreaming. Of course if you are on the government payroll, you might do well for a while until the Zombies wake up.

    • DaveH

      Oh yeah, and the statement “The world has never seen more prosperity” should speak volumes about this guys knowledge level.

      • s c

        He could try enrolling at the al franken graduate school of incompetent comics or queen pelosi’s academy of legislative integrity. Either way, I’m sure he’ll be at the ‘top’ of the class.

      • Normal Guy

        sc

        You should enrol in Rush Limbaugh’s camp for the reality challenged. He is an expert, past graduates include Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Glen Beck, hey, there might be a career here for you!

        Who needs to address anything that is real just make stuff up and tell everyone to be afraid, it’s way less work and lots of fun.

        My guess not many on this sight have made it past high school, so the inability think independently is understandable. Another bet not many on the executive floor, financially challenged and angry, you have to aim it a something or someone, Goebbels got that it’s called scapegoating.

        This site basically, Archie Bunker and company.

      • Normal Guy

        DaveH

        Your kind – seem to hate the country that we have lived in all our lives.

        You seem to think that some phantom state existed that we should all pretend that we lived in. If you don’t think that the USA and the world has experienced unprecedented prosperity in the last century then you really are surprisingly uneducated.

        How about Libertarianism – complete failures in New Zealand and Chile? So a concept that is fraught issues if it ever were introduced – the extreme concentration of assets in few hands being just one, really a path to a monarch – but in your little delusional fantasy this is the solution for the US. Much more likely a path to anarchy and financial ruin

        Never in history have the fear filled reactionaries ever been right. We need to continue to boldly move forward growing and adapting, adjusting to change and solving problems. Hiding and hoarding is not the answer. Be brave, move forward and create prosperity, it won’t come to you, you have to go get it.

      • eyeswideopen

        Normal, well said, he thinks he can snare unhappy Republicans into the Libertarian Party. He had no defense when I asked why Ron Paul got 73 million in earmarks for his district. Aren’t they supposed to be making government smaller? Ron, never said, no my district doesn’t want this money, we are making our government smaller. They preach one thing and do the other. Dave constantly slams education, yet he hold two degrees? Isn’t that nice, the educated trying to tell the uneducated that the system stinks and they shouldn’t be going to those Liberal run schools. Hypocritical? Just a little. You think he would like to keep majority down trodden, with no education and poor , while the corporations make historial profits? Seems so.

    • Willie Stoker

      OH, Normal Guy, to call yourself Normal Guy is a delusion in it’s self.
      I think you are the Obama propaganda Czar trying to infiltrate a otherwise normal forum. Please take that Blather someplace else where it is more accepted, like moveon.org or the daily Kos they love foolish ideas and abnormal thinking.

      • Normal Guy

        Willie

        Normal is not survivalist extremism with conspiracies hiding around every corner. The delusioonal viewpoints expressed on thuis site are funny, but dangerous. All it takes is one self rightous paranoid to think that he is going to save the world with acts of violence. I notice that no one ever talks about the Census worker who was murdered by some wacko with a hate for our government.

        People who threaten and suggest violence against our demcratically elected officials should go straight to the devil.

        Ignorance and guns is a bad combination.

      • eyeswideopen

        I did, but they acted like it was his fault. Only one other person made a comment, when I asked for us to pray for his family. The people are not fazed when murder occurs. That is what is so scarey to me.It is interesting that we have the ability to ignore what we don’t want to acknowledge. Denial is how we protect ourselves from ourselves. These are some hard core rt. wingers.

    • Earlw

      Perhaps Normal better take a look at some other prognosticators befroe making such rosy scenarios…This upturn you infer in just a bump an the way down….You can’t inflate you way out of a recession! The worst is yet to come. The ones who say this ( Celente, et al. are extremely accurate in their predictions so far). The future may be bright, but you are going to go through what seems like purgatory on the way there…Some will not survive it. You can read into that whatever you like.

      Just remember that during the last depression America was an agrarian society, with fairly high morals. we are no longer. We are post-industrial. Add to that mix the fact that we are also no longer a moral nation but one who believes in situation ethics ( if I think its OK, then it is).

      You can engage in all the self-deception you want, but what a surprise lies in store!

      • Normal Guy

        Earl

        Well I can tell you that I am doing just fine. I do business in Canada and Europe and am growing my assets` globally. I know the US is in for a rough ride, I knew it was coming as soon as Bush and Greenspan allowed the low interest environment to extend well past when it should have ended.

        Big problems and big changes are disruptive but full of opportunities. I short I am well positioned to continue to profit during this upheaval. I do not fear the end of the world the complete collapse of the USA or any of the other delusional paranoia so evident on this site.

        I think you and your friends here are like the survivalists during the cold war. Afraid of the future and running around like Chicken Little. Lose to fear, win with planning. Moderate inflation has lots of advantages if you prepare for it.

  • Arizona

    I have bought gold and silver… more silver than gold. I buy gold at 1/10 oz size rather than anything larger at a time. I knew the Govt. could take your gold… I didn’t know silver as well. Isn’t like the govt. You pay for it and the govt. takes it away from you. They can do it to our homes too! (Eminent Domain).

    Now we have a president in office who is going to take every freedom from us plus the constitution. The Health Care fiasco is a ruse to gain complete control. It’s against our constitution to force us to buy a govt. plan. No Freedom of Choice.

    We pay in taxes for those that don’t work or make enough money on extra fees on house taxes, under-insured or uninsured motorists, fees on utilities and for free medical, dental, vision care. I would like to keep my health care I have rather a govt.one. We are losing what our forefathers brought forth for our nation. The constitution! I don’t mind giving and I do. I just want a “Free choice” where to give. They can have it all when I pass over but don’t hurry to make it happen. Psalm 91

  • Loren

    Hey America just one more thing. I HOPE you are all getting the message by now that you are being conned and scammed on every front. Time to man up and get to the business of saving from families, friends, country. If you let people like Steve think for you, you only have yourself to blame.
    Bye the way, Steve, I hope we meet someday so I can turn that smart mouth of your around.

    • eyeswideopen

      Loren and use violence which was earlier condemned by your cohorts in the above posts? They were saying that Steve was being violent when he wanted to shoot those men to the moon. But lookie here, a women who is violent, and wants to meet someone face to face so she can carry out her anger. Yahoo, what a zoo, you all live in.

  • Loren

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  • Daisy

    I’m with Ann, That is a good question. I’d like to know too.

  • s c

    Gold and silver will always be better investments than the constant insanity that comes from Washington. Economics experts who aren’t puppets for a wannabe slave master will tell you that the dollar is about to die at the hands the federal government. That means 1) use your head and prepare or 2) put your faith in comrade obama and his nation-destroyers.
    As far as I’m concerned, anybody who has faith in someone who won a so-called Nobel Peace Prize via a popularity poll is someone who is not a functional member of the human race.
    Now, where’s my Nobel Peace Prize? Is this popularity poll lottery rigged, or what?

    • DaveH

      SC,
      I passed by a small gun store today. There were two signs curbside:
      1) Buy Guns here.
      and
      2) Nobel Peace Prizes 99 cents.

      I thought that was pretty funny.

      • s c

        Do you think comrade obama had to suck up to one of his cronies to be able to afford that so-called prize? This definitely puts a new light on character and outcome-based popularity polls. At this rate, the spaced-out boobs at the Nobel Peace Prize country club will start handing out prizes at birth.
        Comrade obama sure is in good company (woodie wilson, peanuts carter and America’s temporary savior, al gore). Nobel must be spinning in his grave. The harder he tries, comrade obama only makes himself look like an inept sequel to dumb and dumber.

      • eyeswideopen

        Just can’t stand that the world respects our President and you don’t? Well the world is bigger than this little party of a radicals who we all know never makes a mistake, and of course the rt wingers will come up with answers to our multi problems just as soon as John McCain tells us where to find Bin Laden like he promised. LMaO

      • Thurman Marcum

        Eyes,

        I am from the left. I think Obama should turn the Nobel prize down.It can only divide us even futher,he didn’t earn it.He will make a great president.It going to take time.We got a economic mess on our hands and his job is to clean it up.

      • Earlw

        I think Eyeswideopen is blinded by what he or she perceives to be Obama’s aura…
        Here comes that right winger crap again! Come on, you can do better that that tired line
        Libs always use the same old tired terms to describe a conservative point of view…
        Right wing is just the opposite of left wing….Both of you are gonna get your oxes gored in the upcoming hard times……

      • Thurman Marcum

        David,

        I am here again.I think Obama should turn the Nobel Prize down,Jean-Pual Sartre the pholospher did.These awards are getting way out of hand.I don’t care whether it is on the left or right,if a person doesn’t earn it, he shoudn’t get it.

      • eyeswideopen

        thurmans, didn’t you read what Alfred Nobel has stipulated about the award? Go back to the top, I already took the time to find you the quote and inform you of his intentions. Go ahead, look backwards for the first time.lol

      • David

        No worries Thurman. You wear out Eyes better than any of us can because you are an older liberal, yet you can distinguish between right and wrong. Eyes in not capable. And Eyes, I didn’t say turn it down, Thurman did. I just think this shows how little importance the NPP is.

  • Dave T.

    STEVE,

    The one thing intelligent people can’t do is argue with ignorant fools, so I won’t even try.

    Enjoy your socialism. I will be gone.

  • Jon

    These are the end of times…..Grab your ankles and kis your ass goodbye…..Welcome in the Illuminati & Obama Nation Under Islam…..
    Peace Prize….?…..For what ‘fried chicken’ every night at the ‘Acorn White House’…..!……Please…..What a joke….!

  • http://psldymb@cox.net Marsha Barnes

    Well, the Bibile says to lay not up tresures in this life, that it propers nothing.
    Personally, I put my trust the Lord Jesus Christ, who says. For God hath not given us the spirit of fear: but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
    But as you read wisdom in the spcriptures that when Isiac was instructed by God when being the second in rulership in Israel that when famine was coming on the land, to store up food. Not treasures.
    When facing a crisis many years ago financially, my father which is in heaven came to me in dream, and said,”Marsha buy only what you need, not your wants.” This could have been allowed because I was very close to my father as a little girl, and God knew I would listen to his sound advise. Believe me it worked and I made it through with no pain, for myself or my family at the time.
    I am now the Treasurer for a DAR Society, and Treasurer for the Huguenot Society.
    Put you trust in the Lord, he was the archiect of this nation. We need to protect our Constitution, Freedom, Liberty, and not be taken down by the socialist agenda of this current administration. I have placed them in the Hands of God to judge and exacute judgement.
    If we want real change……….PRAY God will answer. Be prudent plan wisely and put your whole trust in the Lord.

    • Willie Stoker

      “and of a sound mind” is the key phrase here. God expects you to think for yourself and take care of business. Protecting your assets is not like laying up treasures on earth. it is more like being responsible for your one welfare.
      Everything we posses is a gift from God, not only the material things, but our sound mind, our ability to care for ourselves, and make logical decisions.

      He sends down manna from heaven when we are wondering in the desert, but any other time he expects us to take care of ourselves, with his guidance, of course.

  • Jerry

    Ann; small size gold and silver has been used as trade, barter, and purchase throughout history for travel, food, fuel, bribes, and other goods and services as recently as right now, in the notably in the 1920′s, 1930′s, 1940-1950 in American and Europe. It is easy to research and find.

    Jerry

  • Nathan Modeen

    Let’s face it, people Republicans are every as guilty as Democrats for our country’s financial problems. Both parties are bought and paid for by the CFR,the TC and the New World Order pushers! Neocon Reps and leftist Dems are behind one thing: a one world government and the end of U.S. sovereignty. The Bushes, Clintons and Obama are equally responsible for the destruction of our nation! If a real conservative like Ron Paul were nominated in ’08, The NWO and big government would crashing down right now! If we want to turn the U.S. from socialism back to freedom, then we ought to support constitutionally correct people for office in 2010 and 2012, whether or not they are from major or minor parties. People who support the evil of two lessers are just as responsible!

    • DaveH

      Vote Libertarian!

  • ANN

    Even if you had gold coins (or another form of it), and the dollar was so devalued, or banks closed, How & where would you
    ever be able to use gold to obtain groceries, purchase gas, or
    whatever….getting on the practical side ! I have not heard ONE
    Expert on gold ever discuss this !

    • s c

      Ann, stock up on grocery items NOW. Most people can’t think of everything they might need in advance. If you have extra water and food plenty and basics, you’re way ahead of those who live in a dream world of their own making.
      I was told long ago that anyone who lives in a large population center (NYC. LA, Miami, etc.) and can’t get in or out of that community in 15 minutes or less is asking for more misery than any human can tolerate. Do some quick reading. Then make a decision and live with it.

      • David

        SC is right and beanie weenies last for years!

    • Willie Stoker

      You might consider Silver coins, right now they are valued at over 12.6 times face value. I was buying large quantities of silver coins when it was valued at about four times face value.

      Right now a silver dime is worth about $1.25, that would be easy to barter with when our currency no longer has value.
      Of course gold could be used for larger purchases.
      You gotta use your head !!

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      When your dollars become worthless something else will have to be used for currency. Gold has always had value and the time will come when gold and silver will have extremely high value as money.

      So gold and silver will be used to trade for other goods in lieu of dollars. In other words, a barter economy will develop using gold and silver as currency. I can also visualize a very practical use of old pre-1965 U.S. silver coins as they are still legal tender and in a form people are comfortable using, plus they will hold their value because of their silver content. There has been a whole generation of Americans who have only used paper money. But as the people experience hyperinflation they will learn fast that gold and silver will be readily accepted by merchants, farmers etc. after their paper money becomes worthless.

      • Amol

        Bob,
        I bought your book and my family are planning on getting out of the city. We have purchased land and are going to start planting our garden in the spring with non-hybrid seeds. We have a small clear water lake on the property and will have well water with back-up power sources.
        As far as metals go I have been investing a lot in lead tipped brass packed with powder. I figure if I need to I can kill animals for fresh meat and predatory humans that want to harm my family. I would also think that live ammunition would have a very good barter value. Does anyone else think this?

      • a different steve

        Yes sir, Amol. Stock up on ammo. Gold and silver are hard to eat and after the apocalypse will be in high demand in barter situations. Gold and silver (I own more than ever and am always buying more) are unwieldly, but good insurance in the event some form of civilization should survive our best efforts at destroying it.

        Everybody who sees the direction the world is headed should give heed to scientific laws. A body at rest tends to remain at rest. A body in motion tends to remain in motion. We are in motion. The direction is downhill and we are gaining speed. Since we can’t seem to agree anymore on the basic premise of our Constitution (“that government is best which governs least”) and have no sense of fellowship due to hours spent in front of the TV and Internet, causing a disassociation from each other, and a resultant loss in common humanity, all we can do is prepare for the inevitable.

        Read Howard Ruff’s advice regarding “How to Survive and Prosper the coming Hard Times of the 21st Century”. Good luck, my country.

    • Little Timmy

      You sell the Gold for whatever is used to buy food, Dooooh

    • DaveH

      Ann,
      I think Silver is a better buy right now, and since per ounce prices are much lower than those for gold, it would be much more negotiable for buying smaller items like groceries, etc.
      Also, Silver is more biased toward industrial uses, less toward consumer uses. Gold is oppositely biased. So, silver should get an added kick if the economy started recovering.
      As you implied, you can’t eat precious metals, but people have long known them to hold their buying power in the face of money devaluation. So, I think they are your best bet in these uncertain times.

      • s c

        DaveH, there’s an ultralib trying to lecture people about delusions and paranoia [ultralib specialties] at the bottom of this feedback. I’d give some Swiss francs or some silver to see the look on his face when the ‘obama is takin’ us to oblivion’ train derails. The guy sounds like a candidate for a public psychology czar.
        The guy uses a very amateurish attempt at childish psychology to make his ‘point.’ I’d tell him to look in the mirror, but experience tells me I’d be wasting my time. He probably thinks comrade obama deserves two Nobel Peace Prizes.
        When do they hand out prizes for bombing the moon? I’d gladly sell him a few acres on the moon – for gold or silver, that is.

      • DaveH

        When the Libs can’t manipulate us with name-calling and ridicule then they have to resort to personal attacks.

    • eyeswideopen

      Ann, not enough people have purchased or could purchase coins to be able to use them instead of paper currency. The extremely rich would have access and have already purchased metals and could survive, however the price of goods would eat up your coins in no time at all. It would not prolong your standard of living for very long.

      • Willie Stoker

        eyeswideopen, that seems like a naive and shallow statement. Silver and gold have held their value all through history, it’s the unsecured paper money that will not be able to buy the necessities.
        I’ve heard it said that you could always but a man’s suit with an ounce of gold. right now gold is $1048 per ounce, that would be a pretty nice suit, actually I think I could buy about three suits with that amount. so maybe it is actually gaining more than expected, in relation the the economy.
        Not only the rich can have silver, I buy silver now, and have been since it was about $4 an ounce, instead of investing in cds or the stock market, the stock market has almost wiped out my retirement, so I’m converting everything to silver except my savings and I may start on that soon.

        No one is talking about changing out monetary system to silver, we are suggesting that the people who think ahead will have silver to survive on when these evil politicians have completed their task of destroying our economy, to make it possible to take us into a Marxist regime.

        Always be prepared for the worst and hope for the best !!

    • Earlw

      Ever heard of Silver coins? When I was a kid we always had at least one or two silver dollars (or half dollars, commonly called fifty-cent pieces. Just because gold is worth so much, don’t you think i can be made in smaller sizes. It is already. Ditto for silver. Remember Dimes (Like od mercury dimes) They were all 90% silver…HELLO?

  • http://docboyerstraighttalk@blogspot.com/ Don Boyer

    Obama and our idiotic Democrat controlled Congress are well on the way to destroying this great nation. Obama is a narcissist and a control freak. When he forced GM into bankruptcy he usurped the bankruptcy rules. The law says bond holders come first then preferred stock holders
    then common stock holders then everybody else. In GM’s case the UAW union came first. He wants to control banks, Wall street,the auto industry, and your life,and how your children are raised! He wants America to become a copy of an European socialist state. Maybe we should hang a huge sign from the Statue of Liberty that says “Welcome to the Socialized States of America.

    • David

      You are right on. Look though at what is happening to GM sales versus Ford. Other than the little cash for clunkers blip (which went mostly to Japan) Ford’s sales are much better off than GM’s. Why? Because no one is buying them on purpose. So the silent majority is speaking very loud.

      • DaveH

        yaaay.

    • eyeswideopen

      Hope you enjoy it.

  • http://Bing Jane Thompson

    Open your eyes – tak and steve and too many others. There are none so BLIND as those who WILL NOT see! It is obvious that OBAMA will destroy us if we let him.

    • eyeswideopen

      Jane, go take a shower, you are just repeating and in less than descriptive terms the same mantra, that the big boys chant everyday.

  • Tom

    Tak……..It matters NOT who you think started what……the point is moot……

    What matters is that it will NOT work…..because they have no intention of WANTING it to work….

    They can pay down our national debt ONLY by devaluing the dollar, which in turn devalues the debt on the books……And if the dollar RECOVERS, their little Marxist dream will NOT come to fruition…..Thay need to orchestrate a massive crisis in order to take firm control and HOLD that power…….THIS IS OBAMA’S DREAM…..THIS is what he has studied and lived for………

    To deny this is abject BLINDNESS.

    • DaveH

      It is hard to replace Hopes and Dreams with the reality of hard work, earnest study, and sacrifice. Once they set their sights on that trough, watch out!

      • eyeswideopen

        Many worked hard and invested, did the right thing, only to have it stolen by your non-regulated Corporate Wall Street companies. Many , many dreams have been stolen and you are blind to the fact that this economy took a big dump, thanks to people thinking like you do, that the companies will regulate themselves. HA HAH and the fox in the hen house won’t eat the chickens. DUH!!!

      • DaveH

        Duh, our businesses are more regulated than ever before in our history. Have you heard of Sarbanes Oxley? And still we had our current meltdown and corrupt companies. So, duh, what does that tell you about the effectiveness of government regulation?
        My son was a loan officer during the bubble. Loans were being made to any warm body during those years. I talked often to friends and relatives about the fact that it was so obviously a bubble that was going to burst. I wondered “Where is the government?”. Well, in fact, the government was not only turning a blind-eye but was complicit in the risky loans. Read “Housing Boom and Bust” by Thomas Sowell.

  • Earl

    Steve is obviously a bottom feeded and can’t stand the idea that some of us might want to keep what we have left after taxes. By keeping what we have so Obama cannot get ahold of it (steal) will cut his welfare payment down and he will either have to go to work or rob someone else. Cannot believe he works for a living or has ever worked.

    • eyeswideopen

      Earl, I want you to have more of your taxes, I want the tax evaders who have off shore accounts, to help pay for the services that they use. I want the rich to start paying their taxes. I want corporate America to stop getting subsidies. I want middle class America to once again get raises. I don’t want 95% of us to suffer so that 1% can continue to hide their assets in foreign countries.

      • DaveH

        The rich give the rest of us jobs. Them and the small businesses that the government is busily destroying with a plethora of paperwork.
        Granted, many of the rich companies are profiting by enlisting the force of government to protect them from competition. That is inevitable when the government is so involved in the marketplace. The bigger government gets, the more pervasive corruption gets.
        The best thing those of us who are jealous (I won’t mention any names) could do would be to encourage less regulation, so the upstart competitors could better perform and force the big companies to either produce more (thus lower costs to the consumer) or lose to their smaller more nimble competition.

      • eyeswideopen
      • eyeswideopen

        Lack of regulation is why the insurance companies have a monopoly on our healthcare. see link.

  • Tak

    This problem started with Reagan and his voodoo “supply-side economics”. It was carried on by Clinton and massively expanded by Bush.
    Bush’s policies and lack of attention to running this country, the sink hole of Iraq for both our money and our children’s lives, and the utter folly of not regulating the risk levels taken by the Market were the precipitating causes.
    Even a casual reading of the economic crisis of 1907 and the Great Depression shows that any inattention to the sudden liquidity crisis would probably have brought an end to the monetary system of the world and it would have happened really, really quickly.
    For those of us who cherish freedom, we would have seen a massive increase in government intervention, but not in our financial system–it would have been in the streets of our cities. When people don’t get paid and can’t buy food, they get desperate. Personally I will take prompt action to stabilize our systems over dogma, lassitude, and selfish disregard.
    Obama didn’t cause this, it was there when he arrived; to pretend otherwise is dishonest. Whatever your politics, you’d better hope this works, because you will not like the alternative.

    • DaveH

      Tak,
      Socialism when practiced in pure form has never worked. It is based solely on Hopes and Dreams. Of course the leaders always do well, until the financial resources hit their nadir and the citizens rebel.
      If Keynesian Theory really worked, there would be no poor countries, they would just spend themselves into prosperity.
      It is very obvious to me that to make any economy work you must find what it is that motivates people to work their hardest.
      You could perhaps beat them, but that won’t last long as they will eventually get tired of the beatings and rebel. If you take away the money (taxes) from the people that are working the hardest, taking the correct risks, etc. they sure aren’t going to continue those efforts. And the recipients of that government largesse sure aren’t going to work harder (why should they?). So of course you have a decrease in productivity which results in higher prices or scarcity of goods in the economy.
      Please read some books by Thomas Sowell, or Milton Friedman, or Ludwig Von Mises to get some education about why free markets work so well.

      • http://BobLivingstonAlternativeMedicine Michelle

        Well said Dave H.

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, capitalism uncontrolled doesn’t work either, or can’t you remember yesterday? Your idea of a totally free, non-controlled economic system would work, if greed didn’t happen. But all those citizens who can’t see their way clear to contribute their fair share to the tax system are an example of what, and who are running the corporations in America. If you think self monitoring works, try reading the papers from last year at this time.

      • DaveH

        Uh, you must be talking about Tim Geithner, Tom Dasche, Charles Rangel, and the other tax cheats in or near the Obama administration.

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, Socialism has a place in a country who claims to be Christian. Social programs promote the Christian ideology, which you yourself have stated that you don’t believe in, But the rest of the Christians do believe in helping the less fortunate, just as the Bible instructs us to do. Maybe that’s why you think the word Socialism is such a bad bad word, and the rest of us know that it usually implies compassion and caring, which is the Christian mantra. You are an atheist and cannot understand our nature of giving to those who have hardships. SOCIALISM, SOCIALISM, SOCIALISM, it really doesn’t hurt us.

      • DaveH

        That is exactly what I am doing, Eyeswideshut. I am helping the poor by giving them opportunities to better themselves and earn decent livings. Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you have fed him for a lifetime.
        Cubans have risked theirs and their family’s lives to escape Cuba in small overcrowded boats. Why is that? Why would they flee that ‘workers paradise’?
        The Democrat leaders are just buying votes. Once they ruin our country like Socialists have ruined countries around the world, the leaders will still be at the top of the heap. Those who foolishly voted for them will be at the bottom.

      • eyeswideopen
      • eyeswideopen

        Click on the section under recent posts: Does the bible support socialism.

      • Willie Stoker

        eyeswideopen, maybe you should study your bible a little closer. Christians are charitable because we love our fellow man and want the best for him.
        The Bible says that those who don’t work don’t eat. How does that fit in with your concept of modern day government Socialism.

        Socialism IS a bad word, hated by patriotic Americans.

        The bible does tell us to hate evil, and to Americans a socialist government is Evil, controlled by evil people, like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez, and anybody that buys into that is either evil or stupid, or to be more polite, I should say that they are grossly mislead.

        There is always hope that you can understand the reality of what is going on around you, and not follow blindly, those who wish to deceive you.

      • Gregory

        ADOLPH HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST HE MURDERED UNTOLD MILLIONS AND DEFINATLY WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN!!! HE WAS A MURDERER!!! YOU HATE CHRISTIANS BECAUSE YOUR GOD IS BIG GOVERMENT!!!! YOUR NOTHING BUT A KOOLAID DRINKING FASCIST NAZI!!!!!

      • libertytrain

        I’m not impressed with these kind of childish comments. Please try to be a little civil – it goes so much farther to do things a little less hateful.

      • Normal Guy

        Moron

    • s c

      Tak, thanks for proving once again that an ultralib can’t forward feedback without mentioning GB and/or Reagan. Could it be that you and the Nobel Peace Prize bunch smoke the same recreational plant?
      This economic ‘problem’ started before most of us were born. It has been continued and nurtured by those who seek nothing less than domination of the entire world. Do us a favor, and burn every book you regard as factual (especially history and economics).
      You and your intellectually bankrupt pals have the same basic problem. That is, you can’t make a decision unless it’s laced with worn-out phrases and pre-approved by a pc committee (or a Nobel Peace Prize-style popularity poll). Your world is on a collision course with reality.

    • Earlw

      No, Obama didn’t “cause it”, but he will do little or nothing to fix it……

      The original problem started with the CLINTON administration and their DEMOCRAT cohorts. How soon we forget. The Bush administration merely followed suit although they did enlarge it. I might add that the roots of this issue started as a result of the “pressure groups”, ie. ACORN, etc.pushing congress to relax credit requirements for Mortgages, etc. Regulation has been lax during Both administrations…..

      On a different note, if you want to see things REALLY explode, just let the gov’t. go around confiscating peoples saving, in whatever form, metal or stored supplies ( yeah, they have an agenda for that too, called “hoarding”) That’s likely when the shooting will start. Not my wish, but a logical conclusion…………!

      • eyeswideopen

        Oh, Earlw, did you forget that you had control when Clinton was Pres.? Might want to rethink your argument.

      • Earlw

        “I had control”? To what are you referring? That I’m a Repub, as you seem to be inferring? Sorry to pop your bubble, but I am an independent voter and always have been.. I make statements based in the merits of the issue at hand. I could care less about party politics. I believe in one thing-the US Constitution.So far no one has been able to show me a defect in it. The fact that Clinton was a liberal and Bilderberg traitor, never mind a morally destitute individual seems to get lost here.

        To all you liberals out there, get you ducks in a row before you present your argument…just makes you look dumb and uninformed. Some of us actually have a firm grounding in what we talk about, were not given to ad hominem defamation…….

    • mp934

      Sorry Tak, it really started when Nixon took the country off the Gold Standard. That’s the same time computers were becoming more usable in displacing workers, thereby the wage increases started to flatline compared to profits. Then the companies had to much money, hence, the lending surge, and eventually the sub-prime mortgage market, and whne that bubble burst, here we are.

  • Tom

    In any national crisis, which most definitely will hit this country jst like others before it, there will people who PREPARE and are prosperous, and those who will SCOFF and be destitute. (and of course, the innocent victims who weren’t properly educated, and who couldn’t have helped themselves much even if they wanted to).

    To the scoffers: You are nothing more than “useful idiots” in the hands of Marxist dreamers who have taken control in Washington. If they succeed in their scheming to bring down the dollar, suspend the Constitution, and start America “over” with a new foundation, it will be YOU who cries out for wisdom and discernment (and a loaf of bread!)…..NOW is the time to prepare and be wise………

    Or are you actually less educated than the ant and the squirrel?

    • DaveH

      Tom,
      Well said.

    • Willie Stoker

      I agree Tom, There are two kind of Marxist thinking people in the US, the ones who think they will be in the elite, and those useful idiots, you speak of. The useful idiots are the ones who can’t think for themselves and follow along blindly waiting for that utopia that has been promised to them by the deceivers. The Deceivers are just waiting for the time to come when they can emulate Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro.

      The useful idiots will then learn that they are no longer useful to those in power and will be mere subjects in their evil empire.

      • http://BobLivingstonAlternativeMedicine Michelle

        Well said Willie Stoker!

      • eyeswideopen

        Willie, why the whole wide world knows that only you rt wingers are the all knowing, perfect citizens, in this country. What they can’t figure out is, if you know so much, why didn’t you prevent the financial crisis? Why haven’t you solved the Medicare situtation prior to now? Why haven’t you solved the immigration problem? Why do we have all these issues with you known genius’ here?

      • pinkmoody

        Because we are taking advantage of all of these situations and issues, you ninny!

      • Willie Stoker

        Well eyeswideopen,
        I’m not a right winger, I’m just a normal guy who actually uses truth and logic to to try to understand what’s happening to our country.
        The Republicans are not much better than the Democrats, they are all politicians who care more about their political career and power, they buy votes with the peoples money and care nothing about their constituents. They have forgotten what they were elected to do and look at the citizens as subjects.

        The Democrats are more immoral and more incline to lean toward Marxism. they want to fundamentally change the best country that ever existed on the face of the earth to a Marxist regime.
        They were both responsible for the financial crises but the Dems were more to blame because of things like the forced sub prime lending and Barney Frank’s sexual affair with the head of Freddy Mack and taking care of them and their cronies who made millions from the debacle.
        Phony stimulus packages that were just paybacks for the Marxist who got Obama elected. It appears that the Obama administration is doing all it can to actually destroy our economy and devalue the dollar.
        We will soon be in hyper inflation and our savings will all be destroyed.

        The only thing to do at this point is to work hard to defeat everyone in the congress and replace them with actual patriots, who care about our country.

      • thinkerman

        You have just written the the truth. Thanks for that, most people won’t get it. the gov has spent billions of your tax dollars over the years brain washing people to think how they want. This is a fact. dependency justifies there existence to have an office to rule over people, along with the power to control. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

      • Pat Zimmerman

        I agree with you mostly, but have a few things to add… Bush/Cheney spent the entirety of their term in office shredding our constitution in preparation for world government. They passed fascist law after fascist law after fascist law. As for Marxism in America, we would be lucky to end up under a Soviet system in comparison with what the fools in Washington have been planning. The only folks who will own anything will be the super rich. Their will be no guaranteed food, housing and high-level education as they had in the Soviet system (not to overrate it, but this is fact). Anyone who survives their schemes will be but cannon fodder for their war machine. I’d call this fascism, rather than Marxism. Blaming the dems is misguided. they are all EQUALLY guilty. The laws of the Bush and Cheney era were often modeled on laws of Adolf Hitler, who was no Marxist. Actually, Hitler went after the Marxists first. they only kind of Marxim we will get is the usual sort, in which corrupt officials take everything for themselves and leave the people to go hungry. We need to drop the left/right argument. It serves no useful purpose anymore.

        I might add that American liberals (and I was one for most of my life, until the current era turned me into a Libertarian) typically take their news from the New York Times. They have no idea what kind of evil, illegal law-making has been going on. When Cheney and other officials stood up after 9/11 and warned us against taking our news from the internet, American liberals – if no one else – took this to heart. I know hardly anyone who has ever recovered from their blind devotion to that suggestion. How such a large group of educated people could be so clueless is beyond me, but there you have it…

        We are brainwashed. On the right, people are brainwashed into believing in war-profiteering and heinous military crimes, always assuming there is something for our country to be gained from such schemes, when in fact they consistently abuse our soldiers, commit heinous crimes against innocent civilians on a routine basis and profit handsomely from the endeavor. Our economy is ruined by this activity, the moral atmosphere of our country has been poisoned by it, our constitution is being destroyed on behalf of so-called war “emergencies”, our sons (and daughters) are treated like garbage for war profiteers and their voices are assiduously kept out of our news media, while we commit genocides, mass rapes, torture and all manner of crimes on behalf of agendas about which the population is completely ignorant.

        If our government cared about our national defense we would still have a standing army at home – and we have little. I’ll throw out a hint: we are the standing army for the New World Order. Our soldiers are misused to bring about the dream of the Western elite of eventual world domination. their sacrifices will help to bring about world tyranny and have nothing to do with the safety or defense of Americans. Our leaders could not care less about that topic.

        I’m going to end by paraphrasing Orwell from 1984: “The primary purpose of modern warfare is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living”. Think about that. Thing of the laws they have passed about offshoring assets. They plan to take it all, folks.

        Has all our violence against the people of other lands made your lives any better? The answer should be a resounding NO.

        Do you remember after 9/11 the mainstream press reported that many prominent Americans were warned by our own government not to fly on 9/11? I still remember those articles. You can no doubt google them and still read them, if you missed them on the first round. the Israeli government warned Israeli citizens who worked in the World Trade Center. This is fact. Were average US citizens warned to stay home that day? We are the patsies of the Western ruling class. They find us contemptible. They find our blind devotion to them contemptible. They think we are stupid. given how devoted people still are to them, I often think it, also, so I can see their point… They take and take from us and we refuse to listen, we refuse to get it. In relation to government, the majority of American citizens have a sub-standard IQ, no matter how brilliantly they may function in other areas.

        We absorb the hatred of the entire world for it. Our economy is being sucked dry. Where is the honor in any of this? There will be no end to their war in the Middle East because it is a platform for expanded warfare around the globe. The crazies in Washington even hope to cook up war with Russia and then China. Consider yourselves dead meat, if you continue to go along with their war agendas. They won’t do it under Obama. They will wait until the next election, when someone like Sarah Palin, who can see Russia from her home, will be pulled out of the hat.

        Really, all they have to do is throw out a few bones of propaganda against any world leader and legions of American conservatives start chomping at the bit to go and annihilate those nations. Why?

        The truth is almost always 180 degrees from what they say it is. They are all complicit (with Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich being among the exceptions, to name but a few) in creating our current conditions.
        These conditions were brought about intentionally, with political purpose, and were no accident.

        Okay, okay, I have to add one more thing. Our government has erected cocentration camps around North America. There are dozens of laws related to their establishment which any curious person can take the time to read. What is paranoid about thinking about or expressing concern about such things? Only the arrogance of Liberals allows them to dismiss such concerns as madness. This is the height of stupidity. Blind loyalty to political leaders never got a people anywhere. Liberals should give it up (which is why I am no longer among their group), just as conservatives should give up their blind devotion to republican war-mongering. I’d like to take both groups and smash their heads together sometimes. Both positions are unAmerican and positively clueless.

        Well, that’s my two cents on the running argument of this page. We need to unite and stop the lib vs conservative nonsense. It’s just a distraction from real understanding and dialogue about our government.

  • LAS

    Stevo: You just sit there and “Kiss Your Buck Goodbye”! Sensible leftwing loon comment over free advice!

  • Jake Sheldon

    Negotiable bearer warehouse receipts from a REPUTABLE offshore vault entity within a totally independent country is an option to hold precious metals on a 100% confidential basis.

    The receipts should be genuine, counterfeit proof, with holograms, et al, e.g., taking the form of laser encoded semi-precious gems within a “credit card format” that are, in and of themselves, the warehouse receipts as such would be impossible to counterfeit.

    • pinkmoody

      Thanks for actually being helpful by making a suggestion to the subject of the article!

  • Jack

    Way to go Steve. How’s your hope and Change doing for you??

  • steve

    you’re all a bunch of whackos! You still see commies under your beds, I think NASA should have strapped Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Palin and McCain into that rocket before they shot it into the moon! Rush (DOUCHEBAG) Limbaugh and Cal Rove should have been tied to the very front otf the damn thing!

    • David

      Just remember, it will be your president that goes down in history for breaking the back of this country. The reason for the article is for those that see the end of the dollar coming. Oh yea and the Peace Prizes??? What a joke…do you like stats? carter 2002, gore 2007, obama 2009…..I see a very telling trend. The Nobel prize is becoming more and more worthless each year….kind of like your dollars.

      • Thurman Marcum

        David,

        I just got the news,Obama has won the Nobel Peace Prize.This is a outrage.He has done nothing to earn it.I am a liberal democrat.I voted for him.Maybe in the future not now,if he does something extrodinary I would have no argument with that.What do you think?

      • David

        Exactly, two weeks after he is elected; he is nominated. Why? Because the Norwegians want to encourage him to continue on singing the coke song while further weakening our country. It shows that the nobel prize has nothing to do with true discoveries such as Mr. Nobel’s discovery of dynamite.

      • eyeswideopen

        David, nominated after two weeks, they didn’t vote for confirmation at that time.Did that point escape you?
        Heh heh, the world knows what you radicals don’t. I think all of you are jealous. The man has intelligence, chrisma, and humor.
        I am proud that we have redemed our standing in the world, in spite of fractions like you, whose answer to any disagreement would be to, and let me quote John McCain, “BOMB, BOMB,BOMB, BOMB IRAN”. Yes, we got a reward for not voting in Mr. BOMB IRAN and his YOU BETCHA I QUIT girl.

      • David

        Did you see what the committee chair said last night? “We hope this award will further influence his decsion making with respect to global decisions….ie keep singing the coke song while he pulls down our pants some more. We probably won’t get the additional troops now…but I know you don’t care about our soldiers.

      • DaveH

        Thurman,
        It is so cool that you are keeping an open mind. Thank you.

      • eyeswideopen

        Open mind? Howling with laughter, I knew exactly how this crowd would respond. Your disdain precedes you. You all are so predictable. Watch ourt those conspiracies are gonna get you!!!

      • David

        Eyes is such a dork

      • eyeswideopen

        Thurman, let me quote Alfred Nobel in 1895 who stipulated that the award should go “to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the Nations and the abolition or reduction of standing Armies and the formation and spreading of peace Congresses”. It should be awarded to a person or organization that are in process of restoring a conflict or creating peace. The board who awarded this prize stated: That extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. He has helped to reduce the world stock of nuclear arms, eased American conflicts with Muslim Nations and strengthened the U.S. role in combating climate change. A 25 nation poll has shown that our standing in the world has increased from 7th to number 1 since his election. There were 205 nominees who could have won, but the board feels that since he has been on the scene that tensions have dialed back and peace and not bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, as McCain sung, it no longer our mantra. Peace keepers are what the world wants.

      • eyeswideopen

        No, David, it will go down in history that the radical right of this country routed against their own President. If you believed in the Constitution you wouldn’t live in fear.

      • David

        Who’s affraid? Why i’ve got my bible and guns close by…freebird…..you should get a little of both sunshine.

      • Charles

        Nobel prize is given for promises kept, not promises made, thats why i cant understand why he got it. Giving a speech on mid-east peace not only doesnt mean much, it didnt play well around the world either. Sad the prize was wasted this time.

    • Earl

      You are either drinking a lot of keel aid or just waiting for ‘Obama Money’ which is stolen from people who actually work for it and want to keep the fruits of their labors.

      • Earl

        Oooops. “kool aid”. sorry about that.

      • http://www.balloonprinting.com John Wagerer

        Your spelling was correct the first time….folks such as your ilk that believe the government & rich taxpayers should take care of you from the “erection to the resurection” should be KEEL-hauled!!

      • http://www.balloonprinting.com John Wagerer

        You were correct the first time….perhaps many of the people on the dole all their lives & thing they are ENTITLED should be “keel-hauled”!

      • eyeswideopen

        Spoken, like a true radical whose only answer to tough problems is violence.

      • http://www.balloonprinting.com John Wagerer

        Radical…Hell!! I worked all my life since age 12!!…and at age 72 still working!! “If you don’t work…you don’t eat!” We all have an obligation to help those who are unable to help themselves….for the rest of you…stop sucking at the “public tit”!!

      • eyeswideopen

        You people must hang out with alot of people who don’t work,and or collect alot of government money. I don’t have any friends who get food stamps, government help of any kind. You are so concerned about working people getting in your pocket, that you have overlooked the CORPORATE RAIDERS of this country. Get real, use your brain, make big companies accountable, quite giving them a free ride on our backs. Make the rich pay their taxes, make off shore account for hiding money illegal. Turn you eye from middle class to the ones who have no class and will do anything to avoid paying their fair share.

    • Marv

      Steve- The world would be a better place if YOU were the first to be strapped to that rocket!!!!!

      • Ed Douglas

        Marv,
        Let fools like Steve and other millions fund the gov’s Ponzi scheme while we enjoy metal prices kept low because these dopes are not in the market.

        Take the advice of the Biblical story of the Pharo’s dream and fill your stash with the product of these “good harvest” years.

        Tough times will allow us to employ the Steves of this world for a meal and a bed in the haymow.

        The fool on the hill.

    • DaveH

      You see my fellow freedom-lovers what we’re up against. This guy has clearly indicated that he would have no problem with violence.
      Once you let a large portion of the population live at your expense, they become very irate when you try to keep them from taking more. It’s called ‘spoiling’.

      • eyeswideopen

        Shooting to the moon, is a little different than promoting civil war to remove the president.

    • Ken

      Steve will be the FIRST in line for “free” gov’t money and services. Most who make those comments are dependants and wards (read slaves) of the government. I prefer to provide for myself whether it be financial or food, etc. I love God given Freedom and Liberty without big government (read obama) meddling in my affairs.

      • DaveH

        Yep, we only have a short time on this earth. I prefer to spend my time respecting others and knowing that I have not ridden on any unwilling backs. In the end, that is what will make us happiest.

      • DaveH

        Strife is the inevitable result of Big Government. People, in a Big Government environment, will always be fighting for whose turn it is at the trough. One size does not fit all in our pursuit of freedom. That is why I believe that the Libertarian Party with their concepts of greatly limited government is the only true way to peace in this country. They believe in individual freedom and individual responsibility. For their platform:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • eyeswideopen

        Once again, how do you propose to reduce the government? Just list some of the agencies that you would deflock. Someone who is a Libertarian must have some idea what your plan would be! You just quote a book from 70′s which has no agenda,or even attempts to identify how you would keep this infrastructure operating. Ideas with no plans are just ideas!!!!

    • http://windstream Ronnie

      You must be a nut not to think that Obama is a liar. Joe Wilson was right did you see that on the news. The Rats passed that back in the 90′s that you could not turn down anyone that is in this country, after calf. passed their law that they were not going to pay for all the illegals health care Bill Clinton and the Ratpack overrode their law. So ye Obama is a liar. Who would trust this bunch of communist in Washington. Not the people who are informed.

    • Arlene

      Steve,
      The name is Carl Rove, not Cal Rove. Apparently you can’t get correct facts so that lets me loose creditability with your entire premise.

      • Al

        Actually, it’s Karl Rove, but who’s counting?

      • eyeswideopen

        Arlene, see how you people are, trying to take a pot shot at someone and you don’t even bother to check the spelling. Hah Hah. LMAO

    • Willie Stoker

      Normal Commie response, we will consider the source

    • s c

      I sure can feel the ‘love’ and deep compassion you have for we who are only mortal, steve. The word you used in a comment about Limbaugh is not exactly compassionate. Perhaps you need to chill out and take a pill or two.
      Most ultralibs whiz and moan about not being able to ‘dialogue’ with conservatives. Well, dude, your feedback is a great example of why a typical ultralib usually hasn’t a clue. If you’re an example of an ultralib’s ‘big tent’ theory or ‘compassion’ or anything close to civil, then I’m a weekend brain surgeon in search of airheads who think they’d be happier being a member of another species. Grow up, steve. You know what people say about finger-pointers who confuse emotion with intellect (they become politicians and losers).

    • JohnM

      Steve sham on you. It’s people like you that the normal American needs to fear. I personally believe that your kind are a vary violent type and will be the ones to fire the first shot when this country falls into a deep depression and a civil was starts!!!

    • Gregory

      Barack Hussein Obama Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm is nothing more than a black ADOLPH HITLER!!! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA MMMM, MMMM, MMMM IS A FASCIST NAZI,———- SIG HEIL!!!!!!!! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA MMMM, MMMM, MMMM IS A RACIST THAT HATES THE TYPICAL WHITE!!!!!! ME,—- I HATE SOCIALISTS, FASCISTS, MARXISTS, I HATE THEM, THEY ARE MURDERS!!!!!!!

      • libertytrain

        Gregory – This is not particular helpful to what you are trying to express to do it in this manner.

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