Hey Jeff, what do you supposed happened to that boy? Suppose he took too many head shots?

Wow, lots of anger there. I should be so pissed with what’s happening too this country. Maybe I am, but exercise some control and state a lucid argument.

john the damge has already been done- no offense but that is what u fail to realize: the damage has already been done. obama and the democrats and 2 maybe even 3 republicans are now in the process of trying to fix things. the damage has already been done.

i watched one of these videos on here and a woman in a crowd of republicans(working class republicans -not the top 1% of this country who all are republican, ) stood up and asked the republican senator a question- basically, why won’t you go forward with the rest of the senate in trying to pass the health bill-
he said because if it passes things are going to get worse. and this is what u supporters of him think too. except he knows things could not get any worse, he’s in the pocket of the health insurance companys and he’s their puppet.

He’s really getting to isn’t he

Chuck b.. it is only that billy is colorblind and can only see things in black and white. When an arguement isn’t strong, pull the race card out. Like getting the “Pass Go” card in Monopoly.

Chuck maybe all those monkey signs in your parade on Sat, had an influence on his brain….. I think there were only about a couple of thousand of those.

eyes…were you in attendance because you have seen much more than the rest of us…or is it your choice to promote racial division on this site.

Jeff, We have regular cable in one room and a satalite with 600 channels in the other, We don’t take vacations, just stay at home and get everything you possibly can to keep my sports junkie husband and nephew happy. I taped the BBC, World news tonite, a French tv station, Fox, Msnbc, Cnn, cbs and nbc and Cspan I wanted to have a non-biased reporting, as I’m damn tired of being lied too. Believe me or not, I don’t care, I only gave you the info but your common sense will tell you the truth.

Oh, and Jeff, I wouldn’t need to promote racial divison on this site, you people do a damn fine job of that all by yourselves. My only goal is to give facts to those who just mouth off with fictional crap. If you go back and read some of the sites, when I give some facts, that they can’t argue with, there is no response. You were the only one to respond to a no lying law, why do you think that is? Dave, couldn’t come up with any retort to the earmarks by repubs’ so he changed the subject. You would notice that when people have no where to go, they just don’t respond or only respond with name calling.

I am lmited to cable and the internet. I continualy watch the big 3 on cable, CNN, FOX, and MSNBC. I do see the biased reporting by all 3, but CNN and especialy MSNBC are as much or more biased towards the DEMOCRATS. FOX is on the right, without a doubt, but they also support the American people, and the others are more concerned about promoting the Democrat and the presidents agenda that they have become blind to the what is important and real to the American people.

“gorilla” there you go again; don’t you have a cross to burn somewhere?

Beberoni, here on this site, we DON’T critize people when they make a spelling error, grammer error, or punctation error. We are not about belittling someone on a personal basis. Your smart remarks inferring that Billy was illiterate is uncalled for, unless you want each of us to attack you, when you make a typo, you need to back off. Maybe you are perfect, we’ll see. Does it make you feel good to attack someone like that? Debating is fine, personal attacks just show how small you are.

I think we all have done it from time to time but of course these conservatives have to manufacture reasons to criticize liberals to express their hatred for them, any excuse will do

I’ll admit he isn’t the sharpest nail in the bag

FYI, A judge in California (whom is not in obama’s pocket) has set a court date and has required obama to product the proper documents to prove his citizenship. By the way it was the DNC spending millions of $$ to fight against obama producing these documents. The reason nothing has come of it was because of the bribes, intimidation and bulling from the white house upon judges to keep this out of court. This administration is going down, piece by piece, bit by bit. First ACORN. then the Czars, then the radical policies and finally the fraud of this man. American’s are standing up and speaking out against this destructive president.

Independent, tell me how they were able to bully the Bush White House prior to winning the election? How was that possible, are you telling me that us Republicans whimped out and just let him get elected when we had the power to stop him.. . Thanks so much for the insult. You don’t make any sense.

Well, Independent, the judges are speaking and you birthers are not happy. You wanted the judges to decide and they are, but just not in your favor. LOL.
You got your wish Acorn is down… now what and who are you going to blame for the Repub’s losing membership? Think it could be these crazy rantings coming out of our mouths?? Ya think??

Not so quick there slick willy II. We lost in 2008 thats it. Real change is coming there slick willy II. 2010 and 2012. Hike up your skirt girlie man, its coming.

Keep telling yourself that BS, we will add 2010 to your heap of big failures but I suppose that dream can keep up the hope for you, and in 2010 you will wake from this nightmare

Another Bush, Bush, Bush man. When will they realize Bush did not do all this damage in 8 years. When government became corrupt, this country really started on a downhill spiral. Corruption is blind and does not discriminate between Republicans amd Democrats.

Why was Bush so bad that he had employment in this country at an all time high? Why was Bush so bad that he had un-employment at an all time low? Why was Bush so bad that he had the stock market at an all time high? Why was Bush so bad that he freed millions of people? I mean, why was he so bad?

Berb, The word is GREED. How do you think Cheney went into office with a net worth of 22million and came out with 98.8 million? Bush just wanted to help all those Repub’s who were in CEO positions on Wall Street and the private companies. You can’t really fault him for that, but the people that ended up paying for that bias was middle class America. When Bush gave his buddies 1.88 trillion dollars of tax cuts, who do you think had to fund these wars? Not really to bright to cut taxes and then start two wars. I didn’t get a tax break did you?

Beber, freed millions? Surely you aren’t talking about the country we declared war on? Did you ever hear them ask us to come over, desimate their country, kill their citizens by the thousands,ruin their infrstructure? Did you really hear millions of people asking for us to do that?? Where is your brain?

To berberoni:(the one who wants glen beck to be president)

i can picture you running around in your backyard with your cousin who you married during the time of the bush regime. there you were with your cousin hubby down dare in yer good ol kentucky house sittin back in dem woods jumping around an apple tree, your husband cousin who u married said hey this reminds me of the garden of eden- dont go eatin dat apple now honey or we will not hav paradise- but cousin hubby honey of mine i can eat the apple we are already in paradise !just look ay our great leader, the great dubya – and hubby cuz sais oh i know he is great i think he is good becuz dair aint gonna be non more uv dose abortions- and you then say to hubby yea and der aint gonna be no more uv doze democratz cummin and takin our guns, and yur hubby cuz responds yea and were gonna go and get doze damn Irack-eez and kill dem sons a bitches. then you say to your cousin who you married yea and heez gunna cut our taxes so we cun go and get more lawn ornaments from da wal mart- right about that time an apple falls from thje tree and hits you in your very small head and your cousin who you married takes you to the emergency room where u wait for twelve hours to get sttches, and den you come home and sleep with your cousin who you married and when you wake up the next day you are in the usa and go america and then you fo to church or something i dont even know how to respond to you- ok its over-;)

Jeff, who did the damage? Who was in control? Are you trying to say that Obama had control of the house and senate in 1995 thru 2006? The record shows it was the Republicans and 6 of those years Bush was Pres. What part of that don’t you like?

Blind hatred is most all I read from you eyes. You are so stuck on 8 years and Bush that someone could assault you and they would look like “The Bush Gang” to you. You could use some serious counseling.

Jeff

You are right it started with Reagan not Bush but he sure put the pedal to the metal during those eight years but it has been getting worse ever since Reagan, until Obama came along and he is now starting to repair all that damage, what is sad you guys are criticizing him for doing what it takes and that he has not been able to do it in 9 months, fact is it will take a few years and some very harsh medicine to get it healthy but I guess you guys have to blame someone, because some of you don not know why, some lack the ability to figure out the truth and yes some hate him just because he is black amongst many other stupid reasons

continue on with that thought…get comfortable with it!

Earth to Billy. Your dead wrong. Wake up now and take your Prozac.

Rod, you are the reason people are leaving this party. If someone disagrees with you, not only are they wrong, but their representative must be Satan!!! It truly is laughable…. you sound like a narrow minded zealot.

Again eyes, sorry, people are not leaving the Republican party. We are actually going through a reformation, getting back to our conservative roots. If youll just wait, you will see in 2010 and again in 2012. But you are mistaken. No one is leaving.

And I’ve been called prejudice because I don’t agree with the President’s agenda too. Go figure talk about hypocrites.
Oh and I just joined the Republican Party 3 months ago. After being a dem for close to 40 years. I didn’t vote for Bush and I didn’t vote for Obama. I didn’t vote for him, let me say this again, not because I’m prejudice but because of this President’s history, lack thereof and his previous political associations!!!!
Now were paying the price and it’s only the beginning.

Beber. LOL.

And once you succeed your numbers will be so small you will be not be able to win much of anything

WE know he is, what other logical conclusions can you draw from all his posts

eyes, berber says they’re going through a reformation- lol

Billy, I know that Berb, doesn’t understand that the polls have concluded that 21% of the Republican party does not admit to being Republican. That is quite a reformation. But, that doesn’t make me happy as I am one of members of the Repub pary.

i know you are but they try to shut you out because you dont have any catch phrases; its sort of like you can be compared to colin powell(i kno thats spelled wrong) wow what if he were president during those bush years, we would hav a surplus now- lots of democrats would hav voted for him- the same way lots of repubs voted for obama-powell was one of the few good ones and look what they did with him- they turned him on to obama. and kept rush. the shameful right. its too bad.

Rob, I didn’t realize you were so influential.

I mean Rod!

He’s not really

Rod, I’m betting this guy is just getting started and also betting he will see what he likes in the end

Rod
He’s not serious is he???

Not only is he serious but do not be to sad about the fact he in right as you and yours are unable to do anything about it at the ballot box so long as you remain such a small minority

” king cong” right about now all the repukes are laughing because when chuck says king kong he really means niggerr

You are out of line with that comment! Chuck might have chosen another example but it wasn’t intended as a racist remark. read it over and don’t take it out of context!

Jeff, how do you know how it was intended? Why should you get upset, you call the Pres. a commie, socialist loving dictator, who is trying to sink this country. We are kinda used to the rt-wingers calling him a monkey, ape, nazi, hilter, hell they had signs in your march showing him as a monkey. funny you getting so indigent.

eyeswideopen…look in the mirror and tell me what you see. By the way, I am not a racist.

If she looks in the mirror I’m betting she will be seeing something much more beautiful and no doubt you can not match that when you look in the mirror

I AM NOT OUT OF LINE and the reason is your repub leaders have called this man every single name except for the n word. all im sayin is be a man and stand up for your hatred. you don’t condemn sarah palin when she calls him a terrorist- a fu**ing terrorist!!! think of how offensive this is to those 911 families. democrat or republican. terrorist. terrorist?? to call the president of the united states a terrorist- you repubs have gone down a very ugly path and you know it! the only thing left to really say about the man is he’s a niggerr

That is your opinion! You said it so you must think it.
I, like many more, just don’t like the mans politics, has nothimg to do with the color of his skin.

Oh, smilee, that ain’t gonna happen ’cause I ain’t a republican.

Again, winners and losers, sigh!

beberoni how do you expect anyone to have serious dialogue with you when you wrote in one of your posts how you get all of your information from glen beck and how you wish glen beck would run for president-

So stuck on the win/loss thing…sigh!

Jeff, you people are stuck on trying to bring down a President who has been in office for 9mths. but the attempt started at 6mths. The Republicans blatantly stated if they could stop healthcare it would bring him down? I don’t understand why any of you want this country to fail. I didn’t like a damn thing that Bush did after I voted him into office but I sure as hell didn’t mount an offense to take him down and weaken this country even more.

Sorry eyes, the dude and his boys have brought themselves down, it has nothing to do with the American people. His actions have doomed him. However, we will have something to say about it soon, both in 2010 and 2012.

Never said I did not want Obama to fail! I do not believe Obama has Americas best interest at heart. He has surrounded himself and is supported by a group of anti-amercans. I believe our constitutional rights are going to be attacked by Obama and his supporters. I do not support his agenda nor his HRC. The citizens of this great nation are seeing through his banter and his inability to speak a sentance with real substance. Up to this point, he has been a con man to the highest degree.

Jeff, don’t make list all the anit Americans who surrounded Bush. Jack Abramhoff, Tom Delay, Scooter Libby, Dick Armey, Dick Cheney, and the list goes on and on.. for God’s sake Jeff, the last admin probably have more criminals than any other admin, other than Nixon’s. You people keep throwing stones, when we are just emerging from a dictatorship that could have taken this country down to a level that would have been similar to the great depression. Fact, man, deal with the facts. Just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean they aren’t true.

OK, I can agree that they are all bad. That doesn’t change the here and now facts on Obamas choices, does it.

That’s clever. I know a beach where you can bury your head or maybe your head is already buried somewhere else.

The big three all had a segment on it, oh yah right you did not watch them so you must have just assumed they had not or got told that from the conservative propaganda machine who also said they had 1.5 million and from the air pics is was only a small portion of what the inauguration had in January and they know that was over over a million but we know you have to try and win points you have tell lies and hope they stick cause the truth would expose your hypocrisy.

I saw it on CNN. it was a sea of white, elderly, Republicans, no young people or minorities. Just a sea of Medicare eligilble, whites carrying militant signs who don’t want anyone else to have the same medical options that they have,which I am paying for with all the subsidies to Big Phrma. So sorry that it was only 20-25k, maybe if it didn’t have an entrance fee more people could have attended. Actually all three networks did show the “grassroots”, LOL, march. You know
Rupert Murdoch should have financed the whole march, instead of charging for it. He really does have the money.

Norm, I can’t figure out whether your comments are coming from a civilized human or a puppet on a string.

That shows how dumb you are. He was easy to follow

Fox reports on the Tea Party are an important part of keeping the American public informed of the political climate in America. NO, not the weather either. To not report the overwhelming support the Tea party Express has recieved would be a diservice to America and Americans, and would distort the support, or lack of, that the HRC propasal has with the public. Let alone the dissention that is building in America towards government intrusion or attempted intrusion, including “The Patriot Act”. The general feeling is that we, the American people, are concerned that THIS administration will attack the core of The Constitution and The Bill Of Rights.
As anyone can see, the prez is surrounding himself with extreme radicals that don’t care for the American lifestyle and the Puppet Master behind this administration, George Soros and all of his money and influence. I certainly have no intention of sleeping with the devil and, I’m sure, neither does any other god fearing human being.

FOX keeping us informed, they were created by radicals to brainwash their listeners, it does not work on all of us but apparently id did on you

Norm, Fox was airing a repeat of “So you think you can dance?” All those viewers were watching the “Fox Trot”. Heh Heh. I don’t know how all the Conservatives found out about Wilson, do you think they accidentally changed the channel? LOL

Do not forget Dub and Dumberer!

Jeff, they did report it, I certainly wouldn’t have beeb on Fox, so you can probably ascertain that the real networks covered your little march.

little march for little people?

jeff, did you see my post about the oath of truth?? Let me know what you think. Hope you have time to edit it.

Eyes, I am going to copy and print and take some time to think on it.
It will need some definitive language to cover half truths as well. No deceptions in speeches, etc.

Jeff, when we get to the point of getting a law passed it will need to be refined, but just for the petition, it need to be sweet and short…. people have small attention spans. But i would like you to somehow work into the message ” not to further political gains. The kid 20 something next door said we needed a catch phrase that would appeal to both/ all parties. Thanks for your help. I anxiously await with baited breath. LOL

Ah come on Jeff can you be sure if some angry person put his finger in your mouth that you would not bite it off, and it was the one who lost his finger who admitted putting his finger in the guys mouth on a right wing talk show and thats say a whole hell of a lot about this man’s intelligence.

mainstream media?

Not even fox carried all of it, but then it is hard to spin if you show it all and that is FOX’s expertise

Duh! Fox has sponsors and other news and programs to report also. VanJones, Wilson, Acorn, and the Obama speech…and they did keep us up to date on the hugh turnout at the D.C. Teaparty protest. Would have to tune in to see it.

Like I said before they sure got you brainwashed

Are you asking him to ignore the first amendment so you can have your way?

Although no definative figures are available, It is still difficult to contemplate that there were 1.5 million to 2 million people in attendance, at least according to what was seen on Pennsylvania Ave. But evidence does lend itself to the idea that there were at some points, from hundreds of thousands to the slim possibility of a million in attendance.

Initial reports of the crowd size seem to be one of the larger debates raging between right wing social media and their leftist counterparts. There is no denying the outpouring of protesters was extremely large but it seems to have been played down by most MSM outlets as in the “tens of thousands.” With activists and right wing bloggers making the case for a much larger number of attendees.

It is obvious that the prez doesn’t want a confrontation with these old farts of all ages, races and genders.

Just a note, there were interviews with Tea Party goers of all races and genders and age. But one might not have known that unless one had watched FOX and seen and heard the voices. I don’t think Fox staged/paid for the interviews. I would think that with tens and maybe hundreds of thousands in attendance at the D.C. party, that they all wern’t the generic “white folks”, but a mixed group that agree on why they are there.

Funny how it crossed your mind that FOX may have paid for the interviews of course you would say you don’t thinks so but that says you cannot be sure

Smilee … That comment was put in for you.

Jeff, I was watching Fox, I was dying to see how they were covering it. The police stated that the crowd was not over 30k. Hey they are the experts when it comes to this. I did lol alot when Glenn was trying to lie about the amount of people and couldn’t even come up with a bogus university to quote… it was funny, sorry. If it had been factual, his production crew could have given him the info immediately. Oh when we practice to deceive.

jeff, the total count was based on the Police estimates, who have vast experience in judging crowds as they have to adjust their coverage when the crowds grow. Highest number estimated was at 30k.

check out this link as it is reporting objectively the various estimates. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109844

Officers with the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Department told WND the department does not provide crowd estimates. Capitol police declined to comment.
The London Daily Mail originally estimated a turnout of “up to 2 million,” but that estimate now reads “as many as one million people.”

Meanwhile, Fox News’ Glenn Beck said he believes he heard estimates closer to 1.7 million coming from the University of Illinois.

Politifact reported that Pete Piringer, public affairs officer for the Washington, D.C., Fire and Emergency Department “unofficially” estimated that between 60,000 and 75,000 people attended the march.

Pajamas Media’s Charlie Martin used several crowd counting techniques to estimate a crowd of “probably well more than 850,000.”

The Los Angeles Times reported Pete Sepp, spokesman for the National Taxpayers Union, said rally organizers believed the crowd reached 75,000 in the morning, but that it grew to between 200,000 and 300,000 as the day went on.

No one knows for sure, but far more than 15-30,000.

Jeff

World Net Daily is a far right propaganda site, is that the best you can do?? Glen Beck??? 1.7 million, hell he cannot even count that many and he is totally wrong 90% of the time so that tells me this group was but a very small fraction of that number, admit it is was no where near what you had hoped for so you have to make up these stories.

I will repeat one more time…The D.C. PD would not give out any info on the crowd count. A figure of 60,000 – 75,000 were estimated by the D.C. FD. I have searched far and wide, left-right-middle and cannot find an estimate by the PD, only that they won’t comment on the size of the crows.

Smilee…If you opened your eyes just a little you would have read my comments on the crowd and some examples, with the link, of who was reporting what. I will point out that there were big discrepancies in the crowd count, but I’ll take the FD count.

jeff, you can usually trust the amount that the police estimate as they have to adjust the amount they have on duty, depending on the size. They reported a max of 30,000. Sorry but that is a far cry from 1.5 million.

The D.C. Police will not give estimates or any counts, the FD estimated between 60-70 thousand and others reported that at peak times could have been close to 200,000. Far cry from just a few thousand as some of the nedia tried to blow it off as insignificant.
I wasn’t there so I don’t know and which source can one believe as number reported were as few as 10,000 and as high as 1.5 – 2 million.
Most of the Dems in D.C. have blown it off as insignificant also.
Washington had better start paying attention beause a lot of Congress and the Senate will get a new facelift with the 2010 elections.

WE know for sure there was over a million out there the day Obama was inaugurated and the pictures shown that day shows a hell of a lot of more people than the pictures shown last Saturday, There was no where near as many as you want us to believe, that is not to say it was not impressive but to small to make a real difference because the last time protests produced change was during the civil rights protests and the Vietnam protests and they where one hell of a lot bigger than these. This will be seen in hind site as a passing fad and will change nothing.

eyeslideopen,
You seem to be one of the very few who constantly bring race into the conversation. Nearly every other thread you state “WHITE” men or such. No one else seems to be so stuck on noticing color as you seem to be. GREEN is color of Greed and there is NO particular color of any of the participants.

You probably won’t get a response on that one. The truth shall set you free.

Mike, on Fox news one of the crowd participants stated that it was a “sea of white faces” and was very proud of that fact. The only other time I use white, is when this group makes accusations that I am black. Which I’m not and I will state exactly what and who I am. Sorry , you haven’t been around the sites enough to see all the things, I have been called. Stick around, I’m sure you will enjoy!

Eyes

I have heard about ten figures quoted from the far right , ranging from 20,0000 to 1.5 million, the far right wingers where so anxious to get the word out they did not pick one number so each then could have used the same number, we have a great comparison from the air views of both the inauguration and last Saturday, we know the inauguration air picture was over a million and this air picture only had a very small part of that crowd but then we all knew this like everything else they do would be exaggerated and lied about. Those of us old enough to remember the civil rights gatherings in DC and the Vietnam protests this was only a small fraction of those as well, that was the last demonstrations that had any effect on voting or legislation. These tea parties will not produce what they hope for and will in the end be just a passing fad as that is all it is.

sorry 20,000 to 1.5 million

Great analogy….I’m listening, go ahead, more? You’ve confused me, can you repeat…please

I’m sure a two year old would have no trouble confusing you

Keep believing the “passing fad” thing.

Smilee, police estimated it to be max of 30k.

One again, the police would not give estimates.

I think that is about right maybe a few more, what I find so funny is that these numbers range from 20,000 to 1.7 million that is a ratio of 85:1 and Glen Beck can still say 1.7 million with a straight face, utterly amazing. I’ll bet behind close doors they are real disappointed in the result otherwise why would they be all over the page to prove it was no great and no two of these radicals can agree on a number, this obvious confusion says a lot more about them than what they are actually saying.

Jeff, a retired police officer in the crowd, was the one who gave the estimate, he stated he worked the crowds prior to retirement and he thought he was pretty close to being correct. He stated the crowd was not tightly packed, and didn’t even reach the monument. He was on site during Obama’s and stated that they were packed like sardines and that there wasn’t a gap in the throngs, it was difficult to even cross from one side of the street to another. Let’s say he was off by 100%, it would still be a far cry from 1.5 million. They will be able to tell a little later by the revenue generated by the service industries. They didn’t even have enough por-o-potties to service a million people. Come on Jeff, you are logical, you know Glenn was blowing wind up someones dress. lol

eyeswideopen…I have searched the internet far and wide and still cannot find a PD that would estimate the crowd.
Could you provide me with the link?
In the meantime I will accept the D.C. FD estimates of 60-75 thousand.

eyes, at what point did I support Glen Beck’s numbers? I didn’t!

If the pres of GM makes more than Obama, who’s fault is that. Heck, the US people???I mean the US government now owns GM!

No, Jeff, we only own 60% of it, and shortly the loans will be paid back and then we won’t have any interest in you at all. LOL

I can sense the hate! That is bad thing.

Jeff, no, didn’t you see the LOL. Lighten up kiddo, Some of these things are funny.

I see it, and believe me, I get it. lol

60% sounds like a majority ownership to me! Ya think?

Kinda of like the bank and your mortgage when they bank (Maybe still) had more money in the house than you do, that makes them the majority but do you call it the banks house??

I thought with this billion dollar bailout thing, it was one and the same guy.

No, Bebe, as usual you don’t remember a damn thing that Bush did.

Sorry, but have to disagree with you. God did not Make it happen, God let it happen. Obama is not the president because God wanted him to be. Remember how this election was riddled with fraud and corruption. Obama stole the election fair and square so to speak. Let’s leave God of of this one. He will however, be involved later. Read The Revelation of Jesus Christ and you will see what God’s plan is.

Sometimes God lets our free will lead us to do stupid things, so that we can learn from them and do better the next time. I hope we all paid attention, and indeed learned from the mistakes that were made in 2008.

The learning curve goes back decades, not just one or eight years.

God has nothing to do with this. The voters have everything to do with this. Obama and Bush aren’t the only ones to blame. We, the voters are to blame and it is up to us to fix the problems. No easy task and no easy answers.

Correct Norm, and without accountability…until now. I still don’t hear Obamas’ influence on an investigation. Why did radical Fox break the story when it was presented to them way ahead of anybody else? Aren’t they Bush, Cheney guys?

And Baltimore wants to prosecute the scamming “Pimp and Prostitute”
while ACORN is threatening the P&P and Fox for, once again, being exposed as a crooked, evil organization. As the world turns, go figure!

Jeff, the judicial branch is not run by the executive branch, they are supposed to be totally independent, not like when my favorite President hijacked that branch. So Obama could call for an investigation until he is blue in the face and Holder doesn’t have to do crap. That little division is what is supposed to protect us from Presidents rewritting laws and during a crisis subverting our rights claiming executive power and priviledge. Remember? I know you do, You must have been tired when you made that remark.

Selective influence I guess. Every president will use their influene when they feel it necessary. Just a part of politics.

Bush and Cheney did a great job. Freed millions of people. Punched back at the enemy that kept attacking us. Had employment at an all time high. Had unemployment at an all time low. Had the stock market at an all time high. What the hell did you guys want from him? What more could he do? My God, get over your hate. They are done and gone, they did wonderful things, and your guys now come and screwed the whole country up, and its always someone elses fault. Quit being the victim, pull up your panties, and stop being the problem and start working towards being the solution. How can you help? Ill tell you. Vote either Republican or Independent in 2010. Thats the best way to start. Millions are allready on board.

For the first time I am going to say that I think you are delusional. I know for a fact that you are trully out of touch with our most recent past and I fear for you. I don’t think there are even any Republicans that could agree with those statements.

You are one mixed up confused person totally out of touch with the real world, we need people who are part of the solution today and not people like you who are part of the problem

Another personal attack from Sleepee. When are you Liberals going to start debating with real ideas instead of name-calling, ridicule, personal attacks, and other forms of manipulation?

Davie

Call it what you like but why not do something intelligent and define what you said is a personal attack but it will not change the fact of what I said was true and I know you have a real problem with the truth as you almost always spew out misinformation or irrelevant information and the truth be damed

DaveH…remember that “one man’s truth becomes another man’s lie”.
A few others on this site are unable to distinguish truths from lies.
Maybe it was all of the drugs from the 60′s that damaged the brain.

Smilee..It is nice to know you were safe in “Never Never Land” and shielded from all of us “Right Wing Extremists”. Believe what you want, that is the American way, but be careful what you wish for and no American President or his Government has the right to “Force” their personal. anti-American agendas on the American citizen.
I sat for years and allowed my government to run over my constitutional rights, and I am now awake and expressing my support or non-support to those I need to. From city councils to county, state and the federal government.
I have watched some of my constitutional rights attacked, and liberties removed in California and throughout America by the Democrats, Republicans and the Liberal Left and I will keep my eyes and ears open to more attacks on my freedom and voice my distain and protest vigorously to those in charge. I will also continue to let my votes speak for me and monitor government to help me decide whom I vote for. I don’t align myself with any political party, Ivote for America.

your problem is your not part of ANYTHING.

I agree, he is extremely mixed up and makes no sense to rational people

Smilee, I believe his comment was directed at you.

I was talking about you

People that pulled the lever of an unknown commodity, a person who’s only experience has been a community organizer. A person of questionable reputation, who has close associations with mobsters like Rezko, with domestic terrorists like William Ayers, with avowed racist like Rev. Wright, and many other questionable alliances. Yes, people that pulled the lever next to a person of this questionable objections, they sir, are a big part of the problem, and look what its done. Millions, and millions more to come, have lost their jobs because of, well not so much just this man, but this mans parties ideas of how to run things, without having a plan or course of action. They have weakened us in our enemies eyes. They have divided this country. They have angered the masses, and in 2010 they are going to get swept out in unseen before numbers, because the American people have learned their lesson allready, about being part of the problem. Unqualified from the start, and then it got worse. Yeah, thats how it is Pal.

Rich
I am not a communist, socialist, fascist, or a nazi.
Neither is Obama. Even George W. Bush wasn’t, although his military views and dictatorial style had some mild fascist similarities. Incidently the goverments of Italy and Germany in WW2 hated communism. They fought the communists in Spain and Russia. Spain wound up with an ultra right wing government under Franco. Hitler also believed in the private sector. Krupp, BMW, Daimler, Fokker and many arms companies still exist. Rush was ranting about Nazi’s the other day and had it twisted as usual.
My point is that Obama is actually more centrist than even liberal. Many left wingers are a little disappointed with him. I personally think he’s about where he should be politically. He is also very intelligent and articulate.
We need some changes in government and we need changes in the private sector. Our economy is improving, but we need more jobs. Most US companies have downsized and are beginning to be profitable again. But we need descent paying jobs. Lending poor people money is a loosing proposition as we have just seen. Minamim wage earners don’t pay taxes, buy homes, buy health insurance, or do much for the economy.
Right wing ranting and longing for the good old days(when I grew up)is not at all helpful. Neither are lies, spin, and misinformation.
Dave- I’m not 13 or 16 but even when I was, I understood how to approach a problem logically.
Smilee and Eyeswideopen – Don’t let Dave get to you. He wants to live in a teepee and trap beaver.
I apologize for typos.

O is articulate and a good speaker. He is obviously intelligent, his policies and principles are not good for this country. That is why the stock market (Dow) fell 3 or 4 hundred points the first three speeches he made as pres.

Zane up until now I haven’t called anyone any names, but let me say that you are something close to silly or completely alseep, if you think that Obama caused this financial mess. You don’t remember Bush passing the Tarp funds prior to the election???

Funny part about what I wrote is I said nothing but the tale Obama spun about him personally and everything about those he surrounds himself with. And to the point that I was the loser in this, to be blunt I was the loser with Bush also as I hated him and his fascist agenda after 9/11. Yet everyone who has said anything in response to me has either 1. attacked me personally because they have nothing but hate in their own hearts and can not do anything but try to make others feel as bad as they personally feel which is quite pathetic, or 2 they defend the president about not being those things. I never said he was only that he spins a great fairy tale and surrounds himself with those types of people.

I will bluntly say that President Obama is probably one of the biggest ‘Cult of Personality’ politician this country has seen since John F. Kennedy. He can have a speech that honestly has no real meat to it, and is more of a pep rally speech but all those attending get caught up in his enthusiasm . I will not say he personally is bad or any of the things that he surrounds himself with, only because he won’t say what he believes, he only gives rhetoric and innuendos most of the time. On the rare occasions he has actually provided any details in his general speeches, and I don’t mean from before the primaries, it has been bipartisan for the most part. If you look before the primaries, I have seen 2 different speeches about the same thing where he disagreed with himself based on his audience, which is business as usual for the political scene of Washington. Those are the worst things I can say about Obama. I can say lots about those he surrounds himself with as some of them are very extreme, weather towards Dictatorial or Communistic values varies from one to the other.

Smilee I hope one day you grow up and quit trying to bring people to your level of ignorance and hate.

billy to believe the Republicans started anything is foolish as they can’t get off of their collective fat arses and elect a leader let alone start a grass roots movement or anything else. people on here love to say I am republican because I agree with some of the things they say well guess what I also agree with Democrats on some issues because I am in the middle.

Norm, thanks for your input and sorry you took what I wrote out of the context I meant it but it made for a good discussion with you anyways.

Rich…just a note on Smilee…he or she is just entertaining itself, trying to ruffle some feathers. Can’t take it too serious.

Rant what you want. But I do know one thing. Ill see Mr. Bush in heaven when I go there. This new guy, he still has time, but he is headed for heat at the moment with his muslim affliction. And you like that. Wanker.

Rich, the many did elect him and he is running the country the way they want. The problem is that it just happens to not be the way that you and the losing party wants. Hey, that’s the way the political system works, the winners get to rule. He won with a majority, so he gets to make the same or different mistakes that our belove Pres. Bush did.

Ah, that is only a half truth. Yes he did get elected by a landslide, but every day his approval rating drops indicates to me that more and more of his supporters are jumping off the bus and dissaprove of his tactics.

I don’t think the Obama voter expected this from Obama.

You are one for the ages. It isn’t about winners or losers getting to make the choices despite the other sides views. We are all losers in this game you support overwhelmingly!
This is about America and the American people, not “I win,you lose, ha ha ha” and “now is the time to pay back Bush for all of his wrongdoings as president”.
You wouldn’t know right from wrong if it was staring you in the face.
I will wait anxiously for the “name calling” to start.

Jeff, you know the other day, I tried to respond to you about all the names you have called me, I listed them all together, and Bob wouldn’t allow that reply to be printed… Commie Ho, was one of my favorites, You really shouldn’t be throwing those stones, don’t you rmemeber that Dave asked you not to do that? You are now acting like you never committed that act? That’s what is so infuriating about your “group”, you have the nerve to bash someone for exactly what you are doing yourselves. It is such a joke. You hold this President to higher standards than the previous three and you can’t see the hyprocrisy.

eyeswideopen..I don’t recall calling you any names since DaveH’s appeal for peace! And I will not repeat but I will apologise to you for that last one, which we both know, because you just mentioned it.

I am sorry.

That said, you can dish it out but you have a very difficult time taking it! If the shoe fits, wear it! You are not what you claim to be!

eyeswideopen, I quote your accusation: It is such a joke. You hold this President to higher standards than the previous three and you can’t see the hyprocrisy.

I hold every president to a higher standard. In my lifetime, I cannot remember a president with the ideaology of Obama. I cannot remember a president that has purposely made anti-americans a part of his advisory staff. And I cannot remember a president that had a mentor like the Rev. Wright and his hateful spit. I cannot remember a president that was backed by the likes of an anti-american like Soros who hates everything about America and supports anti-american terrorism.

Jeff, they will be blaming Bush for years to come, because hey, look at the facts. They have no plan. They have no ideas. They have no course of action. They are adlibbing as they go. They spent so much time, standing there, pointing fingers, that instead of helping, they more than became part of the problem, they indeed became the problem. Now the problem is causing this country big problems, and their blind followers are only doing what they have blindly followed for years, stand there and say “Bush did it”. So sad for them isnt it? Are they going to blame Bush someghow when all their worthless leaders get voted to the curb in 2010. Hmm, I wonder how Bush will get blamed for that? Dont worry, theyll figure it out.

After reading some of the nonsense above, I think the Republican Party, of which I am still a member, is in deep dodo. You right-wing bible toting kooks are doing more for the Democratic Party than they could ever hope to do for themselves. You think the 2010 Congressional elections are going to change the landscape – I wouldn’t bet any money on it. Keep following the hate-mongers and wishing failure on the current administration. Go to your clever little tea parties and scream foolishness in peoples faces. Support candidates like Demint, Boehner, and Palin (remember Allen and Santorem) and you load the Democrat’s guns for them. What ever to sane Repbulicans?

Dave, you think it was because they were treated so badly for so many years? No, what, not here in America, that would never happen. LOL

And those that are not racists, but are white, must suffer the “indignity” of being decendents of the white man. Racism has no political boundaries, nor does racism have color boundaries. Why is it that the liberal left, and their sympathizers always bring racism into these discussions

I would like to strike my last sentance as it was “out of line”!
“Why is it that the liberal left, and their sympathizers always bring racism into these discussions”

I will give you the defination of racism one more time Jeff, “The notion that one’s own ethnic stock is superior”. I don’t care if you are Irish, if you think you are better than the Hispanics, then you are a racist. Period.

rac·ism \’rā-”siz-əm\ n
1 : belief that certain races of people are by birth and nature superior to others
2 : discrimination or hatred based on race
— rac·ist \’rā-səst\ n or adj

Exactly, Glen Beck has been labled a racist by bloggers because he disagreed with a black man. I am tired of it, Rosa on the bus and MLK included the civil rights movement of the sixties would have been for naught without compassionate white people.

Zane, he was given crap, because he made a stupid statement accusing the President of being a racist, which would mean he hated his own mother, grandmother and grandfather. Glenn, stated that he hated white people. You need to go back and read the transcript of your idol. Stupid statement from Glenn.

Those white people were mostly liberals too, and the racist white ones did nothing to help Martin and they were mostly conservatives

America and Americans have come a long way and made a lot of progress since 1968. That was then, this is now. Put that card back in the deck where it belongs.

WE have a ways to go as yet, it was zane that brought MLK into the conversation not me, I merely responded and besides do you have something against learning from history?

Smilee it is cool you were on a first name bases with Dr. King…I lived through it all too.

Like the rich men, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Jim Brown and many others. Got life by the tail. Better than I will ever have it. But man oh man, can these guys ever play the race card. I figured that now since we have a black man as president, that should be a testament that any black man anywhere can become anything, and there are no more excuses. If this guy did it, give him the damn credit he deserves, and say you can do it to. The victim game is over.

Beberoni. I will set the record straight…Obama ia a man of color, he is not black nor is he white. Everyone on this site should understand that before the racist statements are spewed.
I don’t like or trust him for his politics, but I do not “hate” him either.

They do not believe there is another side so how can they listen to it. An open mind in not in their DNA so that is not possible either, there is no hope for them,

The “mental midget” Glen Beck is exposing your cohorts for the crooks and liars and whack-jobs that they really are.
“Open minds”. That’s a laugh riot. Yes they are “open” as in the vacuum of space between your ears.

Davie

The only thing Glen Beck has ever accomplished is to show us just how ignorant he is of reality and he is exposing nothing except that he is an arrogant, egotistical stuffed shirt who is almost always wrong in his analysis of whatever the subject, Open mind is not something you possess so for you to pretend you know what it is, is ridiculousness and if Glen Beck is one of your heros that better defines you too and both of you have demonstrated that you are both accurately mental midgets and out of touch with reality. It seem like every time you are confronted with someone like Norm you make these type of silly statements and I think it is because you do not know how to respond intelligently to an intelligent person, in other words you are out of your league with these people.

Smilee, just heard Glen Beck state that “he is becoming more Libertarian, that the scales are falling off his eyes”, that’s why Dave likes him, the other people I just don’t know why.
However the Repub’s will have a problem with Libertarians as they accept abortion and gays, along with all religious groups. Those three things will prevent the Repubs from embracing that party. Glenn is hosting the tea party at D.C. acting like it was a spontanous free meeting, he is not mentioning that they charged the people to participate in this “groundroots” showing. “Land of the Free” my arse, just join a Rupert Murdoch march and pay out the nose.
Laughable.

Whatever he may call himself he will still be Glen Beck the radical, he is part of the mixed up elites

Typical Sleepee response – personal attacks instead of substance.
And Eyes, don’t explain the Libertarian freedoms to Sleepee, he might want to join. I hope not. But then again, I remember that he likes to spend other peoples’ money, so he wouldn’t like them.

Davie

I have yet to see anything of substance from you, all you do is whine and complain without any substance or statements that suggest solutions
What is sad about what you erroneously call personal attacks about you is that they are all true and need to be pointed out to expose your phony nature. You make these stupid statements when you cannot come up with anything intelligent to say.

I thought that was quite an accomplishment for someone who hasn’t accomplished anything. You know Glen Beck who was largely responsible for the disposal of Van Jones. Perhaps you just haven’t heard yet because you watch MSNBC.

While watching CNN yesterday, there was a 3 panel discussion about Glen Beck and his exposure of VanJones…My my my, they agreed that Mr. Beck/FOX was the first to report VanJones shortcomings and that no other major media outlet picked up the story util the day before his “resignation”. Mind you, this was CNN reporting. They also agreed that he has been, for the mostpart, accurate with his accusations and commended him for his sincerity.
A star in the making!

Glenn was on CNN before FOX, and he was more “encouraging” then (pitchforks and torches) than he’s been on FOX. He’s toned it down a notch. Nothing that Glenn has advocated, discussed or shown is radical-he doesn’t make this stuff up, he just brings it to the foreground. The truth burns some of you like Willie Peet, doesn’t it? Preserve and Defend the U.S. Constitution!

Jeff H
That’s great too hear, finally left wing media that will report both sides of the story. Kinda like Fox.

Glen Beck is a physco. His mother and brother commited suicide and he is an admitted drunk.

What kind of moron believes in evolution?

Zane
One who understands high biology. Do you believe Earth is the center of the Universe?

thats high school

Glenn Beck is saying what his viewers want to hear. That is the goal of any program.
And yes no one wants to give freedom to others in order to have it for themselves. They trust themselves and only themselves. When I say Let them make and live with their mistakes, people immediately think they will have to pay for that other guys mistake because they cannot imagine a time or place when volunteer support was all you got. If you were a jerk and no one wanted to help you out, you hit the road or rails and starved or barely survived. We cannot imagine it.
BUT, unless we let go of forcing our moral standards on others along with giving all people the right to relocate as long as they support themselves, none of us are truly free.
I cannot repeat often enough that If I [or 'they'] are not Free, You are not Free.
Acorn is now well organized. Let them provide charity without a single tax dollar.

Glenn Beck – mental midget? Wow Norm, dont fall off your pedestal Mr. Wizard. I got a thousand bucks says you and Glenn in a room with an IQ test each, that he blows you away. I think then Mr. Norm, we would truly see who the mental midget is. Your out of touch dude. Give up the crack.

Just look at the largest supporter of Dictator Obama because it speaks volumes about the direction this administration is taking America. George Soros, aka hater of America’s values and hater of America. He is the money behind Obama and the Democratic party as well as the key influence in the anti-american czar appointments and the attempt to destroy America. He supports terrorism in the world.
He is more dangerous to America than Bin Laden or Obama.

Jeff, you can’t call him a dictator, as he was elected by the majority in this country. You need to take it up with the RNC who picked McCain, the “I know where Bin Laden is and can get him” guy, and Sarah, I quit Palin. Like it or not he is the President. You know the guy, who you give no respect too.

I don’t need a lecture! It is what it is. To me, an elected dictator, to you president. Apples and Oranges, president, dictator.
My point is that he is just a big pawn in the Soros chess game of power.

He’s not a fascist yet! But that’s the direction that he’s trying too take this country in. Please, I am not trying to be mean but you guys really need to look at the big picture. The evidence against Obama is just too overwhelming. Everyday now it’s something new, lately, ACORN. Remember that’s where he played a huge role as a community organizer. I’m not hanging my hat on that one issue either. There’s just too damned much to list here! It is incredible that he has any followers at all.
I was a Democrat and was ready to vote Democrat, but it didn’t take an Eisenstein to figure out what this guy was about. And now that he’s in office he has demonstrated that he is a real danger too this country. By the way I renounced my Democratic Party affiliation I am now a Republican. And please don’t play the race card. After he was confirmed as our new President, I wished him well and supported him. This country needed and still needs a strong leader. However, he has proved that he is not that strong leader that this country needs. He has a political agenda that is contrary to the principles of the constitution and the principles that this country was founded upon. This is a great country and I’m not going to stand by and watch this country become a communist type country.
What is with the Czar BS? We are not in freaking Russia!

John, some have so much hate for Bush that they cannot focus on what is happening right under their nose. To many, it is just about “You lose, I win”, and nothing more or less. I don’t see any real winners in this game, certainly not America or the American people.

John, oh John, you need to go back and ask Ford, Nixon, Regan, Bush Sr, and little Bush about their Czars. Were you alseep during their administrations? You people are really something else, this President does the same exact thing that the preceding Presidents did and oh! my God, he must be from Russia!! You are trying to say you aren’t prejudice? What do you call it then, when you hold someone to a higher standard than the previous Presidents??

Yes eyes now tell us they had 34 czars. Never, never land.

Eyes
Don’t take out of context what I said. My point re the Czars is clearly in the plural in addition to the fact that this administration is trying to control our country.
Did you not read my entire post? Of course not, you fail to address the other issues. Ok answer me these questions. Why did you guys vote for someone that had close affiliations with the likes of Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers and ACORN?
Again these are only a few issues. To date there are too damned many.
How many more before you people wake up? Or is it just a matter of who wins with you?
Prejudice? I was going too vote for this guy until I did my homework.
How dare you call me prejudice?

let go of the hate eyeswideopen and let go of the past. I see you not ripping past Democrats that have helped to screw America up. Why is that? Your hate is far stronger than your ability to reason. This is the here and now! Focus and concentrate on a better America. The truth shall set you free!

Rod, today information just released that Bush actually had 47 CZAR’s.
Sorry, that does beat Obama’ total.

John, It tires me out to have to go line by line and show you how you are showing prejudice. Since Bush was the last President, who do you want me to use to compare Presidencies? I just use the last one. OK, if you want to delve into who Bush hung around with who have been either convicted of crimes, involved in scandals, or are just well known slease bags, I will come back tomorrow and have a list of the afore mentioned. I will also give you the voting debacles here in Florida during Bush’s attempt to become President. It was a total embarrassment to live in this state at that time. Kathrine Harris, stated in the newspaper, Jeb, just get the decision to Florida and I can deliver the Presidency to your brother. Oh how the fix was in. I am just to tired tonight to look up all the facts for you. But since you are requesting that I give you further information I will tomorrow.. Sometimes it is exhausting as you people never come up with ideas how to fix things you are just looking for the bad things and you personally hold one single man responsible for everything that happens in this country. Where is your responsibility, who did you vote into office. Have they made you proud and are you going to put them their again? Obama, isn’t God, he is merely a new President trying to cope with a shit load of issues that we all helped to create. Just what do you think John McCain would have done with these issues?

Ok, here’s Bushes pals: i will not be capitalizing as my fingers are really swollen today. jack abramhoff, scooter libby, tom delay, newt gingrich, billy tauzin,duke cunningham, dusty foggo, john walters,porter goss,claude allen, david safavian, dick armey, dennis hastert, roy blunt, leandro aragoncillo, dick cheney, etc. etc. etc….and on and on and on….some of the other people who were personal friends are; jimmy swaggart, jim bakker, paul crouch and we all know all about them don’t we.

I’ll take Bush’s pals over Obama’s any day. Duh

If the democrats were left unchecked for too long a time, that is exactly what they would do. They allready try to silence any opposition to them, or do you not know of their attempts to shut down talk radio, to silence Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity. Yeah, they dont want anyone to hear the truth. If you try to deny this, then you sir, are a liar, in the mold of one William Jefferson Clinton, the king of the liars.

Norm, excellent points, well stated.

Eyes,
You disappoint me. I know Norm, Sleepee, and Fool have minds that are closed like steel traps, but I expect more from you.

So tyranny is okay as long as it’s your brand of tyranny?

Ultralibs, globalists and all other assorted basket cases define freedom as a ‘wonderful condition where having no rights is the
height of freedom.’ That is, you are totally ‘free’ to be a slave. What these soulless stooges fail to realize is that this new condition would ‘evolve’ an American version of the old USSR’s politburo. It certainly is ‘change,’ but the ones who benefit the most are the decision-makers (not the mindless useful idiots who confuse no rights and no possesions with the new ‘wealth’). As Yogi Berra might say, ‘it’s deja vu all over again.’
It takes a toll on the mind, as self-delusion subjugates the will to be free. History shows us time and time again that utopia is best left to works of fiction. That is the only place where politicians can’t destroy nations from within. It is a pandora’s box that must not be opened. This is the gap that separates freedom-lovers from those who worship at the altar of ‘change-at-any-cost’ – especially when someone else is expected to pay for it.

Must be, as it was ok during the time that Bush and his cronies were raping this country and not one of you or your conservative friends can even admit his actions, so I’m fairly sure you didn’t take any action to stop it either. If you were truly seeking answers you would take the time to view this. http://www.netrootsmass.net/hugh-bush-scandals-list/ But let me predict that not one of you has the patience to read it to the end and instead of researching, you will just do your normal strike out at the opposing viewpoints. WE LIVED UNDER TYRANNY DURING THE BUSH YEARS, which I tried to fight, what did all of you do??

Once again, the reason for all the hate is the focus of 8 years and Bush! Bush will end up with many chapters in the history books for singlehandedly destroying America! WOW!
The donkey with the blinders will always follow the carrot that is dangled in front!

Benevolent? Right? Nope! Even you or I with all our wisdom would fail to see all the unintended consequences.
LIBERTY to succeed or fail and face asking a friend or family member to help out when you fail.
There is a line in The Hunchback of Notre Dame – ‘We went door to door asking for work so we would not starve. They said ‘Starve, you may not work’.’

The far right is not racist! The far right is very much made up of Christians.

Zane, are you saying that because you are a Christian, you can’t be a racist? Oh, my gosh, this country is in deep trouble it that is what you think. Do you remember the KKK, they were white, Christian, rednecks. Get in the game.

Your ue of racism isn’t warranted and is really getting old in you posts. I think we all are aware of the KKK and the terrible things that were done. Don’t get the fact that we don’t trust government or this administration with racism. Remember racism has no color barriers and the vote for Obama was just as tainted with racism as was the vote for McCain.

Don’t confuse the fact…

I did not know that hate was a Christian trait I thought God is love and when I was part of and an activist in the republican party when the far right wingers gained strength in the party that was when I found out how hateful and racist these people were and they did claim to be Christians but I left the party because I could no longer work with these type of selfish people

Gimme a break Norm. Have you lost all touch with reality? Hitler was a carbon copy of a damn democrat of today. He wanted everything his way, no one else was entitled to their opinion, and he silenced anyone with opposition to him. And he was a whack job. Yes, a carbon copy of todays democrat.

Actually Beber, you just described the Republicans on this site to a tee. You guys can’t accept any ideas but your own and if you aren’t a member of the Christian Conservative rt, you are a $@#$^%$ liberal commie. If you don’t agree with the Republican platform hook line and sinker you are disloyal %$##@%^%^$lefty. Sad, very sad.

Beberoni
whack job? It takes one to no one.

Yes, I went to the bill [HR 3200] and found lies on both sides.

Gail, did you read sec. 246 and 152? I would like your interpretation of those sec’s. Tx in advance.

Robin, you need to get with the RNC as the top 6 Senators who are getting the largest amount of Pork are Republicans. Little hypocrital on our part don’t you think? When I say our, I mean the Republican.

I believe Robert Byrd has always, and continues, to lead in the collection of pork. I dont think this can be denied. And he is a democrat last I looked. Yep, Robert “Sheets” Byrd. Ex klansmen, loved by the blacks in his state. Not sure how that works though.

Berb, I gave you the website to go to, but instead, you just start spewing lies. The facts are us Republicans are requesting the highest amount of money in addition to requesting the most total qty’s of earmarks. It is in the Congressional record, for goodness sake, you need to get out of the denial mode and into the real world.

Yea, I’ll bet every lawmaker that sticks with this healthcare albatross is out of a job in oh I don’t know 15 months.

Earth to Norm. Are you awake? In 2010, 25 or more democrats are going to lose their seats. You guys didnt take long to blow it. Did you really think a guy without a clue could amount to anything? Its like Jimmie Carter all over again, except this time he is doing bad stuff instead of just nothing.

Don’t bet the farm on it.

Where did you get those numbers from – Rush?

Sounds just like what us Republicans are saying today! Little hypocritical wasn’t it? Spend, spend, spend, and then tell the next guys, we need to tighten our belts. LOL. You just made my point.

You know eyes, I readily agree that the Republicans DID NOT get a grasp on their spending, and it pissed me off to no end. But come on, when Americans put a so called “change” in there, and then these wankers spend more in 8 months than the last guys did in 8 years, whoa, Houston we get a problem. Know what I mean.

Typing error – Should read “Houston, we got a problem”.

Just remember it was Bush that ran up a trillion war deficit, lent 700 billion to the banks, started the medicare drug joke, and left Obama holding the bag.

I hope you’re right, if not they will bankrupt this country.

That will only work if those elected are NOT POWER POLITICANS – working Joe and Jane or Business owner with no desire to make a career out of politics.
We have a chance to elect people who truly believe their job would be to Restore The Republic by dismantling Washingtons’ many unconstitution agencies. Close the Washington offices, tell the states to either take over or give the job to local govts who can ask their residents to voluntarily support them with time or money as they see fit. Abolish all regulations and make all businesses liable for their product be it a home or a widget. I don’t need the city or county telling me what sprinker head to buy and we don’t need to be told we cannot install a composing or incinerating toilet because they are not included in the Plumbing Code [why would they be?].
Good Self Governance is the solution.
If we each take responsibility for ourselves and assist family, friends and neighbors as needed as good old fashioned communities we can regain our Liberties.

Hey, Dave I’m all for the Conservatives, to stop getting care via the government… but you can’t get those Republican to repeal Medicare, they like it too much. Just sent letter to Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite asking her why we aren’t trying to repeal Medicare, can’t wait to read her response. You act like the Liberals are the only one participating in this Government run socialized healthcare program.. not true, the Medicare program is taking care of many of our Congressman. Yes, even the Republicans ones!!! LOL. You need to start holding both groups equally responsible, as they are!!! Too many times you are letting your prejudice show regarding your marriage to one of those LIBERALS.

We have all got to STOP thinking by party lines and think like Americans . I am so discouraged by all the party bashing ,as if it had anything to do with the country’s ills. We are battling against Government representatives who have gradually over the years, hijacked our constitution for their own personal financial gain and power. It is a mind set in too many American citizens to do whatever it takes to obtain financial gain and power. With little regard to what the moral cost will be to obtain it.
If you ask the majority of the children in America today what they want to be when they grow up …they will say I want to be rich and famous.A very sad commentary to their up bringing I must say.
The socialist machine in this country was given a great gift by the likes of people such as Enron , Bernie Madoff, Pelosi Barney Frank,Rohm Emmanual, Fanny Mae , Freddie Mac, Acorn. The list goes on.
All the greed and corruption has made the Socialists work so easy .
republicans and democrats alike have sold their souls and our country to the Devil for 30 pieces of silver.
We have some major house cleaning to do in 2010 . And I hope we all get the voting records for everyone of our elected officials BEFORE we vote this next time. The voting records are free read them. and sart thinking like Americans not like party people !

Dear Penelope, I wholeheartedly concur with your message, with your permission I would like to help you distribute your message where everyone can read it. God Bless You and please continue speaking out. By all means you are certainley a PATRIOT.

Soros is the supercharger to this political engine!

Penelope, You are correct. What We The People must do is run for office and/or only vote for the Average American with no politcal experience [working man, woman or small business owner willing to give two or six years of service before returning home] and begin to dismantle the many non enumerated powers agencies in Washington. Restore Our Republic! Only you and I can do it. Power politicans need not apply! Once I had the idea that we should ‘draft’ our representatives in Washington from the Social Security rolls [they will have worked for a living] and house them in barracks like buck privates so they would not want to return at the end of their ‘enlistment’. Some provision for wives could be made such as having them serve alongside as the second person. Think of the settled arguements. : ) I just thought of that last bit and it reminded me that who controls the remote controls everything in most homes. : )

Penelope truer words have never been spoken. We truly have sold our souls and our country for power and greed.I am truly fearful that in my lifetime I will see our country turn into a socialist society. We are not far from that now. With health care reform it will not go into effect until 2013 and that is a fact. Well after Obama’s run for re-election God help us all if he wins.So politcally it is a win win 4 him. He looks like our health care savior without jepordizing a 2nd term.

Gail, what do you think of trying to get a law passed that when an offical speaks they are under oath? If the elected officals could not lie to push a political agenda, most of the citizens can deal with the truth. It would stop this constant lying on both sides.

eyeswideopen…I would like to see legislation to stop the lying.
Let’s, you and I and anyone else, write to our representatives and get the ball rolling on this site.

Jeff, I’m going to check out how to get a free petition going for that, will let you know. Hell, they take a pledge to the Constitution, why not a pledge to us to speak only the truth, no lies, or misconstued facts or we can remove them from office after two infractions.

Eyeswideopen…I’m up for it, thanks and look forward to the challenge.

Jeff, I found a couple of places where we can have free petitions. I’m going to just give you statemtents of what we could say. Please edit, and massage to what you think will work. It needs to be kept short as us Americans have a tendancy not to fully read anything that is long in length.LOL. The header: HOLD OFFICALS LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE WHEN THEY SPEAK. Then you have a prelim statement of the petition: When officals swear an oath to the Constitution, they should also swear an oath to speak the truth to the citizens. Then comes the body of the petition: During the recent healthcare debacle it has become apparent that we need a law for when our officals speak they are under oath. Elected officals should be held accountable for speaking the truth. An Oath would stop the lies and misconstruing of facts. When the oath to the Constitution is taken, the oath to the citizens should immediately follow. Officals are allowed two strikes, then they are automatically replaced by the opposing party’s canidate. A voluntary five person board comprised of 2Republicans, 2Democrats and a Libertarian or Independant would make the rulings.The board would be rotated every two years and only people who have never held office would be seated. HOLD YOUR OFFICALS LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE WHEN THEY SPEAK!!!!! Jeff, please fix and I will get the petitions started or I’ll get you the info and you can handle everything. Thanks.

The response you get will sound something like this: “Thank you for expressing your concerns about Medicare. I welcome and will consider all comments from my constituents when making my decisions.”

“Listed below is a link to all of my offices!”

Always generic and unread by the adressee.

Jeff, you reading my mail? LOL That is the exact response I get from my Senators.

eyeswideopen…I get them from Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi all the time.
Think they read them? NOT! My local Senator Cogdill responds with personal emails and Assembly Member Villines sends personal letters.
If you are not a constituent, most won’t accept any communications.

Repealing Medicare would be political suicide for both parties.

YEP, that’s why they will fix it before it goes broke only problem is this game of chicken they are playing by kicking the can down the road is going to make it more expensive to do when they do it, but do it they will.

Like I have said before, eyes, you are so far out in “left” feild
your lost in your own confusion!

No, Jeff, you know why I say let’s repeal it, to prove a point, that the Repubs, want a social program just as much as the Dem’s. Let’s face it, none of us can care for our parents with medical costs so high, it would be a financial hardship for about 76% of us. It is a program that has to be reformed and people with no insurance are driving up my premiums to the point that soon I won’t be able to afford insurance for myself. I also think we need to address immigration at the same time. In defense of GB, he did try to get immigration legislation passed but his own party refused to do it, as they wanted to be re-elected. Term limits are at the top of the to do list.

All of them in congress, in the house, and in the senate, have all free medical, and they dont pay taxes. It sucks, its wrong, but thats how it is, nothing to do with liberal or conservative, they are crooks who get a free ride on our tax paying backs. However, your liberal leaders, now want us all to pony up more, so all those that dont wont to get off their lazy arses and get a job, can have insurance convenience of the government, paid for by working stiffs like me. Sorry Pal, I dont want any of this. I work, always have, always will. I pay my premiums, my needs are met, Im good. I was raised poor, Im lower middle class now, and if I can afford it and have insurance, sorry, there isnt a reason in hell why a bleeding heart liberal cant afford it either, without me having to foot the bill for it. Im tired of all the left wing liberal hand outs. Im tired of seeing guys 10 and 20 years younger than me, living on government handouts, sitting there on the porch drinking a 40 and smoking cigarettes day in and day out, but yet they cant find a job. Now you tell me why should they? If old Uncle Sam is going to give them money and food stamps week after week, year after year, why work? Now I know it runs out, but see, these guys know just how long they can draw it, and how long they need to work to have the hours needed to draw it for a year or longer again. Its a big scam, and the democrats fully endorse it, because as they keep these guys down, these guys vote for them year after year. Its sad, that they keep these guys down and in their place, right where they want them, and yet these guys dont see it, and keep putting them into power. Unbelievable. Uneducated people, pull the Obama lever. Thats a fact.

Congress pays 25% of the premium of the plan they choose, your post is full of misinformation and totally lacking in facts, you really make a fool of yourself when you disregard the truth and the facts.

DaveH
Still making up your own little stories. How clever.

How old are you Norm? 13? 16?

Whatever his age he constantly demonstrates he is more mature than you are so not sure age if the real issue

Heil Obama!

Norm and smilee…I hear the Pied Piper Obama blowing his pipe, you better get back in line so you don’t miss the trip down the river.

Jeff made another attempt to sound intelligent but as usual he failed, better luck next time Jeff

nice comback smilee…hope you’ve been taking swimming lessons.

Dave: Norm and Smilee are comrades in arms. When they step in poop together, they both deny it and blame it on you and I. Left wing liberal pacifist appeasing pants wetting blind little girlie men democrats. Havent quite learned to stand on their own yet. Need those government hand outs to get them by. Anti Americans. If they are honestly going to tell me they like what Obama has done, and what he is doing, then that would be 2 more scary people running free on the streets of this country, that need kicked out now.

Beberoni
1. I’m not a left-winger and neither is Obama.
2. I have never received a government handout in my life and I’m in my 60′s. But I’ve paid a lot of taxes. A lot of my blue state taxes have gone to the red welfare states via Washington. I haven’t seen any stampede from red states to send back farm subsities. Also there are as many rich Democrat’s as Republicans.
3. I’ll match my bank account with yours and I don’t even know you.
4. I’ll match my IQ with you or Glen Beck anytime, although I won’t match dollars with Beck.
5. My medicals are in excellent shape right now.
6. I don’t think having a loud mouth and small brain are particularly “male” traits. Your interest in my sexuality is puzzeling however.

DaveH, ultralibs need to grow a spine, and PRACTICE the slop they love to preach. Comrade obama is on a rant about the evils of profit (and those who seek it). IF it’s so important, then they are obligated to do the right thing (at least once in their sorry lives) and corner George ‘only an ultralib can be rich and moral’ Soros and throw him out of that ultralib closet.
Most people with at least 50 cents worth of common sense know this will never happen. Back in the ’60s, people in a certain state used to shake their heads about one of their favcorites. They said ‘he may be an s o b, but he’s OUR s o b. Without a doubt, Soros is definitely THEIR s o b.
However, ultralibs don’t have what it takes to do anything right. They preach all day long, but they don’t pack the gear when it comes to PRACTICING anything that comes close to integrity, morality or social responsibility. What can be said about people whose gods are power and control?