Won’t work will not vote for Romney, the flip flopper

Ted, come on don’t start the name calling, this has been quite civil until you felt compelled to take a dig at someone.

I have to agree on not finding more recent artifacts, then their is the Big Foot doctrine, that may stand in their way. Big Foot purpose is to steal the ‘souls of man’, that is what missionary Patton said, and it was taught, written about even into these modern days. Any footage seen of Big Foot he is always running away.

Nehra,

I don’t consider Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Jehovah Witnesses, etc. anti-mormon because they aren’t Mormon. Obviously if they agreed with Mormon doctrine they would be Mormon. Anti-mormons are those who do whatever it takes (lying, distortion of doctrine, etc.)to deceive people about what Mormons believe. Bill McKeever claims to be an expert on Mormons but has never been a Mormon (interesting). Ed Decker (the Godmakers) was excommunicated by the church for adultery according to his first wife…seems he may have an axe to grind. Information on these men is on the internet – you can check it out for yourself.

It’s obvious from your posts that you have an issue with Mormons and Mitt Romney and you are free to feel the way you do. The problem is that most of your information is terribly skewed and you don’t seem to care.

people who have been with in the church know, check your historical facts, not fiction spun on LDS history.

I don’t buy the history Mitt spins, it is a spin. peroid.

My facts are straight,

See Sandra Tanner, any number of former members know.

The Mormon church for a long time would not let people resign their membership, they would excommunicate them when they wanted to leave. This is not longer the case anymore, people can now resign without the smear of fear of excommunication blackening their names.

People leave because they do not believe anymore and now can resign, my facts are straight.

Interesting. Why would someone who wanted to leave the church be worried about excommunication. Your facts don’t make sense. Ex members of any church are that church’s worst enemy. I’m unimpressed by the statement of an “ex” anything.

The Mormon Church used the excommunications to discredit people, often people left because they had become aware of abuses within the church, were victims of abuse, or simply researched enough to learn much of the doctrine is false.

Most sad were the ex communications of abuse victims, abuses the church covered up.

Yes, Decker was excommunicated, that does not make the doctrinal issues he bring up incorrect. He is correct on the view of the next life, plural wives in the next life, etc.

Other people had to be excommunicated, if they wanted to resign from eh church, but pressure brought a change in that area. I realize the LDS faith has a large influence in the Republican party and even Libertarian, but people still have the right to exam the faith and what impact it can have on our nation.

I stick by the facts posted.

see for a long time people who wanted to leave the LDS church had to be ex communicated they could not just leave.

HE NORMAN HANCOCK LAWSUIT (Mesa AZ 1985)
In 1985 the Mormon church ‘excommunicated’ Norman Hancock AFTER he submitted a letter of resignation to the church. Hancock filed an $18 million lawsuit against the church, saying a person has a right to voluntarily resign from a church. The suit was settled out of court and the settlement was sealed. An account on line reports that Hancock filed the suit himself, without the aid of a lawyer, after studying the Guinn case. The same account says that church lawyers started discussing with Hancock just how much money he wanted, but he told them he didn’t want their money, that what he wanted was to have his name cleared. Church representatives agreed to change the records such that there would no longer be any record of an ‘excommuication’: the records would show that he resigned (that he asked for ‘name removal’).

The Hancock case shows that the church is willing to settle out of court when someone sues because the church ‘excommunicates’ them after they’ve resigned their membership. There were some defamation issues in the Hancock case that do not apply to most other cases, however.

The Guinn and Hancock cases were the end of the era when the c

Romney did not earn his way Romney used his trust fund.

Not from what I’ve heard or learned the Romney’s are lacking when it comes to ‘good’.

Very sad, what the Romney family got involved in, and the harm done to others.

When a pack of vicious dogs wants to take you down, you don’t have much of a chance; ask Sarah Palin.

http://www.rightgrrl.com/carolyn/newt.html

Dave, when I searched ethics, this is what came up, http://www.congressproject.org/ethics/gossmem/.html
as you can see there were other issues that he was involved with, the penalty was to cover the legal and investigative costs. He admitted that he was having an affair, so I will apologize for not clarifying that the charges were dropped. I still feel that we can find someone who hasn’t been unfaithful or involved in a scandal. I guess I am letting my personal feelings involving Jack Abramoff and Dick Armey and their association with Newt make me suspicious of his ablility to not be influenced by that type of politician.

Eyes,
You overlook the mighty aphrodisiac of power. Those men who secure the power positions probably have twice the hormones of an average man. I’m not excusing infidelity, but I think the sex drive is an addiction second to none.

Dave, you are probably right, us girls can keep our pants up, while in office. LOL. Maybe more of us should be in office.. OK, I’m ready to take the hits.. go ahead. Heh Heh,,

Dave, seriously, I do expect the “men” representing me to have ethics beyond reproach, after all, they are the voice of many. Their actions, words and deeds reflect on us, as we chose them. If they can’t adhere to decent moral conduct, don’t run for office. If you can’t control yourself get the hell out. I don’t care which religion they are, I just want a moral person.

Eyes, Me too. But first we need to have all of them take a lie detector test. As I said before, we expect such perfection in our politicians that they can only meet our expectations by being liars.
And liars concern me most. I can forgive a lot of human error, but I do not like being anywhere around liars. I would much rather keep company with a human that has made mistakes than to keep company with somebody who I don’t really know due to their dishonesty.

Has it occurred to you that Mitt, might actually be a Libertarian? Sounds like he believes in personal freedoms? That’s not a bad thing.

No Eyes,
No Libertarian would sponsor a bill to force people to buy health insurance.

Dave,
Do you mean that Liber’s follow every single idea in their platform? How can any group be that perfect? With the situtation we have here, wouldn’t they have to bend a little bit? I think that it would be almost impossible to get to where we need to be quickly, we would have to comprise on some things, or there would be havoc.

Eyes,
Big Government was built on the back of compromise. Whether we get there gradually (Republicans) or rapidly (Democrats) we are headed to complete collapse of our country and the ensuing tyranny that it will bring. The only chance we have is for people to start standing tough and quit electing anybody who doesn’t promise (and deliver) less government.

Mitt is anything that would get him a vote! lol, lol, that is why he is a flip flopper.

He did not get the NRA support, because he straddled on every issue: he supported gun control, ‘assault weapons’ ban, the Brady Bill and the second amendment. He only joined in August of 2006, in the hopes to sway some support. He’s never really hunted, let alone shot a gun, and before 2002 had no interest in getting support from the NRA. In fact, in 2004, he signed a permanent gun ban bill in Massachusetts. He has stated many times that he supports the Brady Bill.

On abortion, he was the governor that forced judges to perform gay marriage in Massachusetts, in direct violation of their state Constitution, which forbids judges from establishing or altering laws. Governor Romney had no Constitutional authority to order judges to perform gay marriages, which is against state law, using the feeble excuse that he was “personally against gay marriage” but had to “enforce the law” that the state supreme court had no authority to enact. Refusing to rescind gay marriage is tacit endorsement of gay marriage.

If his health-care program is doing so well, then why are 30,000 legals in Massachusetts being cut from the rolls, its budget ballooning to $1.3 billion from $630 million in 2007, and Physicians for a National Health Program calling it “A Failed Model in Health Care Reform?”

Libertarianism is a form of libertinism, which simply put, is a form of anarchy. Libertarianism is, simply put, people wanting to do what they want to do with very little governing authority saying they can’t. Libertinism is, simply put, the desire of people to do what they want with no moral authority telling them it’s wrong. Anarchy is, simply put, the desire of people be allowed to act like animals, with no form of society at all. The South was essentially a group of libertarian states, that by definition, didn’t want to cooperate with each other, and we all know how well that went.

Thanks for posting the truth!!!!! Mitt did NOT get the enforcement of the NRA, he tried to give the impression he did, like everything else Mitt does, never quite the truth and a false front.

efred,
Too much government brings chaos. We are experiencing that growing chaos daily. Read this free online book before you spew any more of your misinformation.

http://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf

Are you a leader that profits in both money and power from the current statist system or are you just a misled follower?

As efred said, Romney had the constitutional power to overrule the Mass Supreme Court ruling over instituting gay marriage in that state. Even liberal leaning Harvard University professor Lawrence Tribe says that Romney had the authority to forbid the courts ruling from be enacted. While Romney may not have supported gay marriage, he failed to prevent it from becoming law in his state even though he had the constitutional power to do so. That and his healthcare initiative he enacted in Mass. are two big problems that he has that would make it difficult for many of us to support him for POTUS.

You have trouble with the God Makers, which does document Mormon Theology, try Bob McKeever he is well documented, informative, has great You Tubes factual history on LDS History and doctrine. Mormon Coffee is excellent, Bob is educated and a former member, people who were insiders in the LDS community and knows his facts, facts which are not white washed.

DaveH,

I agree with you – religion should have nothing to do with it! It would be nice if others were of that same opinion. I am a Romney supporter because I believe he is the best man for the job. I believe Ron Paul is strong on the economy but I completely disagree with him in the area of foreign policy. This country needs a well rounded candidate. I am unable to stay quiet when untrue statements are made about a religious faith as a means to cast a shadow on a man who has proven credentials and experience to take this country forward.

By the way, the people indited from Utah on corruption were LDS, the LDS church were involved in the Olympics per earlier post, which carried documentation of the fact.

Your right Dave and we think Mitt Romney is honest enough to do just
that. Look at John Kennedy. Now take a hard look at Obama. We can
never let this happen again! Palosi is also in trouble HOORAH! Every
time she opens her mouth she gets in deeper trouble. They have no God
and so worship only themselves and try to figgure out how to get us
off the planet earth. They will attempt to try any means to get to
their end, and – - – they will fail!

Dave, I am behind that remark 100%.

Thanks Eyes.

That will not work, Romney will attack Muslims. Religion does make a difference, as does one religious beliefs. Belief systems drive people behaviors, if their faith is not truthful, they will not be truthful.

People have a right to exam the belief system, or the non belief system of anyone running for office, not to do so is foolish.

Dave, now your talking.
Working together to save this country is the only way to go. White, black, red, yellow, baptist, catholic, jews, mormons, repubs, dems, libers, everybody needs to be American first!!

Dave, hands clapping.

The abuse levels were high in Romney Bloomfield Hills stake, many women and children abused and covered up.

“Frankly, I would consider a man to be very brave to take on more than one wife.”

It was not bravely, but lust which caused this to happen.

It was a method to explode a population quickly and lust, not true about more women than men.

If you are going to refute me, then at least provide some proof. I am just repeating what I heard in Salt Lake city. Being the avid keepers of the lineage that they are, I would take their word over yours any day unless you can provide good evidence to the contrary.

Yes, I will give an ancestor of Mitt Romneys, Parlery P. Pratt, who was killed in Arkansas when he tried to take another mans wife as his own polygamist wife. She was the twelfth woman to be sealed to Pratt. , she was not legally divorced from Hector at the time of her “celestial marriage” to Pratt.[6].

Due to his personal popularity and his position in the Council of the Twelve, Pratt’s murder in Arkansas was a significant blow to the Latter-day Saint community in the Rocky Mountains, when they began hearing about it in June 1857.[19] The violent death of Pratt may also have played a part in events leading up to the Mountain Meadows massacre five months later.[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parley_P._Pratt

they didn’t take kindly to having their wives taken.

These two comments are good evidence of why Big Government doesn’t work. One size does not fit all. Whether the Democrats are in charge taking the Republicans’ freedom to prosper away, or the Republicans are in charge taking away the Democrats’ freedom to abuse their bodies or their souls, there is going to be about half of the population that is unhappy.
The Libertarian Party believes that the individual has ownership of his body and his property, with all the responsibilities and freedom that pertain to both. And with that would go a much smaller, much cheaper government. With Libertarian values members of both parties could be happy. We would also have a much more prosperous society.

Nehra is trying to rewrite history. The original head of the Salt Lake Olympic committee was not a Mormon. There never were even any claims regarding unethical actions by the Mormon church. Mitt Romney was brought in to clean house within the Olympic Committee. Which he did. Romney had established himself as the most capable person in the business world to turn around failing businesses into successfull businesses. That is why Romney was chosed to take over the Salt Lake Olympic committee. Romney was able to revive the effort, even after 9/11, to make the SLC Winter Olympics one of the best Winter Olympics that were ever held.

Really, so all the pay off scholarships to BYU and the Insurance policies from a company owned by the LDS church was non mormon? Get real.

but the church now became the biggest player. While LDS leaders
were conspicuously silent when Salt Lake obtained the 2002 bid and in fact made
no official statement about the Olympics until 1998, they promptly began to prepare
for the Games. The key was the Church Olympic Coordinating Committee established
in October 1995, “a kind of clearinghouse for the church’s Olympic efforts.”
Co-chaired by Apostles Robert D. Hales and Henry B. Eyring, members of the Quorum
of the Twelve, the church’s second-highest leadership group, the committee also
included M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Seventy; H. David Burton, the presiding
bishop of Salt Lake; and Bruce L. Olsen, managing director of public affairs
for the church.29 The claim that the committee’s sole function was to consider the Salt

The primary concern was Mormon control of Olympic planning. The membership
of the various Salt Lake bid committees and SLOC after 1995 was always predominantly
LDS. The five most visible and important 1990s bid committee members
were Mormons: Thomas K. Welch, president; David R. Johnson, senior vice president
for games operations; Craig Peterson, vice president for administration; and
committeemen Frank Richards, who solicited South America, and Bennie Smith, the
lone African-American member, who courted the African vote.

http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/Olympika/Olympika_2002/olympika1101b.pdf

The 2002 Olympic Winter Games bid scandal was a scandal involving allegations of bribery to obtain the 2002 Olympic Winter Games in Salt Lake City, Utah. Before 1995, the city had attempted several times to secure the games, but failed each time. In 1995 Salt Lake City was announced as the host city, but in 1998 the members of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) were accused of taking bribes from the Salt Lake Organizing Committee (SLOC).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Winter_Olympic_bid_scandal

Tom Welch, the president of the bid, and his chief aide, Dave Johnson, each were indicted

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jul/21/news/mn-56718

People should not lie, especially on corruption which is easily check out.

I checked, and Mormons were involved in the corruption, two were indited as mentioned and the LDS church was involved with the organizing committee, which was riddled with corruption.

They need a old hickory stick maybe to have them be honest.

It is an easy google search to find the LDS church was involved in the committee, the links are pending moderation on the thread, but the LDS church was part of the problem.

Alice,

I’d like to know when and where Gov. Huckabee EVER said that he was in favor of amnesty, as you’ve stated. Frankly, I believe that to be an inaccurate statement about him. He was endorsed by Project Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrist and Duncan Hunter.

efred,
When did Huckabee ever say anything that would make you think that he was against the surge? He’s always made it clear that he believes in using overwhelming force against your enemy.

Huckabee showed his strength with his statements during his recent travel to Israel, which showed very clearly that the Obama administration is way out of line with mainstream Americans’ position on Israeli-Palestinian relations.

Huckabee was also very decisively against the very first TARP bail-out of $787 Billion, when Romney couldn’t make up his mind and McCain handed the entire election over to Obama by also trying to wheel-and-deal his way through the unconstitutional bill. How hard is it to know that it’s not the proper role of the Federal Gov’t to be bailing out Insurance companies, banks, etc. Huckabee spoke clearly on the issue from the very beginning.

Huck stands on principles and would have made a BIG stink about $50 dollar co-pays covering $400 tax-payer subsidized elective abortions, which Romney didn’t bat an eye at.

I wish that Palin would come out stating that she would be in favor of a Human Life Amendment to the US Constitution and the FairTax and start speaking out regarding why those 2 policy positions are important to our nation’s future. She could be right up there with Huckabee (on my hero-list) if she would do that. As it is, I really wish her and family the best.

its the uninformed left that gave us obama
lets just hope that huckabee and romney get it togather this time and not cansel each other out, and give us another week can like McCain for the uninformed to exploit again.

I think the informed left gave us Obama a communist just like them with a lot of money,they knew just what they were doing by putting that poor excuse for a human being in the White house to take it down from within, look at the people he surrounds himself with – the so called Rev Wright, Van Jones (an avowed Communist) and a racist and the Whether Underground folks (TERRORIST) to mention a few……..DISGUSTING UNAMERICAN SUB HUMANS TO BE POLITE………..

Earl,
I would love Ron Paul for president. I’m sure you know that he is really Libertarian in philosophy. He had to run on the Republican ticket to get elected. I’m a little worried about his age though, as I think the media would hammer him on that (even though they regularly feign concern about ‘age-discrimination’).
I think there are a lot of Libertarian sympathizers out there who worry about throwing away their votes, but you can see where voting for the ‘lesser of two evils’ has gotten us. My suggestion for those who think that way is to register as a Libertarian, then vote for whoever you want. That way as the party numbers grow they will get more exposure. The leaders in both major parties don’t want Libertarians because they take a firm stand for Limited Government. And as you can see, both Republicans and Democrats like to grow government (albeit much more so for the Democrats).
One thing that turns many Democrats away from the Republican candidates is their fanatical fixation on vice crime (victimless crime). So I think if the Republicans could get off that band wagon they would bring in a lot more voters. Another problem is their efforts to be the world’s policemen. It doesn’t work. All we do is spoil the countries that don’t have the will to protect themselves, and give many of their citizens another reason to hate the US. How many of us, for example, would be happy if we had Canadian or Mexican soldiers patrolling our cities?
Big Government doesn’t work primarily because they aren’t subject to free market forces. They have little reason to treat us with respect because they jobs are extremely secure. For example, I have a court date upcoming about an estate issue. My brother is the executor and he is not declaring many of the estate assets. My problem with that is his lack of honesty. But I have to be ever-so-careful about how I address the issue in court or the judge will shut me down. In other words, the courts don’t really give a damn about the customer like they would if they were subject to free market forces.
If you aren’t already familiar with Libertarian beliefs, I suggest you read the online book: http://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf

To read their party platform, see http://www.libertarianparty.org/platform

I would be happy to address why I think certain of their scary stances would actually work better than the government controls do currently.

DaveH, big government has too much to lose by letting free market capitalism work. Note that big government NEVER hesitates to BLAME free market capitalism for problems created by big government.
Five prime examples of big government screwing up free market capitalism are 1) FDR, 2) the growing list of mindless, useful idiots who confuse corruption with good government, 3) 99.9% of all politicians in Washington, 4) Jimmy Carter and 5) Alan Greenspan.

You are correct, the courts are corrupt, and people who lie, hide assets, and pay off judges and attorneys get their way. These people in law who mis use their position in the justice system are traitors to our nation and freedoms — corruption takes away people freedom — corruption weakens our nation, corruption is what drove early settlers from their homeland to the Americas.

Dave, my girlfriend called me to say that on MSNBC this morning, the CEO from 538 was on stating that the Libertarian party has best chance of Presidential success in 2012, if they can find the right nominee. This is second hand info, but she was pretty excited. I don’t know the morning shows and didn’t think to ask her. You’ll have to do the research. Sorry.

Apparently the Ceo, is recongized as a true non-biased Ceo of research company… Now I will have to research him. lol

That worries me coming from MSNBC. There has been pressure since the Libertarian Party’s inception in 1971 to infiltrate and Liberalize them. I can’t imagine that MSNBC (being the Big Government sycophants that they are) would fairly support Libertarians.

Amen to Ron Paul.

Without RINO;s and independents you lose, you people that want to kick so many out of the republican party will insure it keeps losing but that’s ok we are better off if they do.

I think your wrong AND he will be stoped and so will Nancy and all the dems that think that the constation is void. that movement is just about to start. and mis Nancy name calling will be STOPED. I hope see reads this. we the people will see to that stand up and take back America now this is enough.
God is for us who can be agines us.

I would like to agree with you but I wish that God could help you with your spelling.

Hopefully Agatha will ignore that personal attack and keep saying her piece. I’m going to guess that you are a Liberal, since it is common Liberal methodology to silence their opposition via personal attacks.

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are u really blind to the danger this president is causing.hopefully all the politicans of either party will be swept from office.they have forgotten whom they work for.term limits is the only process that will change the corrupt goverment,untill we wake up and demand term limits nothing will change.if you really think about it there is no need for politicans in washington.we at home could vote everyday with todays internet so i say sweep them all out.let the people deciede the issues.thanks for the right to express my thoughts god bless america

Have to agree somewhat, however, the problem to a large extent is the fact that we have a very uneducated voter issue. Unfortunately, many voters are feel-good types who fall under the charm of some rather incompetent, but charismatic want-a-be (BHO for example). Others have little or no idea about the government and the harm it conveys everytime they meet in DC. There are others who have a certain philosophy they are blind to reality (extremists on all sides). Until we can get term limits for all elected officials and bring down their mini-fifedoms and greedy self-serving arrogant existence, things will never get any better.

Carl Schultz says: Nobody will beat President Obama.

That kind of has the same ring to it as those who thought the Titantic couldn’t be sunk by God Himself.

Don’t be so sure Carl. God allowed Obama to take this position for a reason, and in my opinion that reason was to wake up America to bad politics and get back on the road to common sense, good morals, unblemished ethics, and most importantly God! We needed our eyes opened and wow, it is happening!

AMEN ROBIN!!!!!!!!!

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. – Abraham Lincoln

“fool me once, shame on me, fool me again.. eh, um, uh, um ,eh ,i um, eh, i mean uh, uh- hhuw huw the point is; ya cant fool me again!” GEROGE W. BUSH

Only COMMUNST LIKE YOU WILL VOTE FOR HIM and sorry to tell you that is not ever going to happen again!!!!!!!!!! EVER…………

Hey, Ortega, site requests that you don’t name call. You do realize that was name calling don’t you.

“Amazing Speech by Iraq War Veteran”

“poor and working people in this country are sent to kill poor and working people in another country to make the rich richer; and without racism soldiers would realize that they have more in common with the Iraqi people than they do with the billionaires who send us to war”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B9V2tbnxk0

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. – Abraham Lincoln (attributed)

“fool me once, shame on me, fool me again.. eh, um, uh, um ,eh ,i um, eh, i mean uh, uh- hhuw huw the point is; ya cant fool me again!” GEORGE W. BUSH

Sure, it is amazing what paying people one hundred dollar bills will do.

Romney scamming elections see the You Tubes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pljdFb5OjyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pljdFb5OjyE

“Amazing Speech by Iraq War Veteran

“poor and working people in this country are sent to kill poor and working people in another country to make the rich richer; and without racism soldiers would realize that they have more in common with the Iraqi people than they do with the billionaires who send us to war”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B9V2tbnxk0

Mike is the Right one. Romney could have stopped “gay-marriage” in Massachutes when he was governor, instead, He did nothing. He is a R.I.N.O.