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U.S. Attorney Wants Newspaper to Name Names

July 10, 2009 by  

U.S. Attorney Wants Newspaper to Name Names

Should a newspaper, or any web site for that matter, be required to reveal the names of people posting comments to website articles? A court fight in Nevada may determine the answer to that question and just exactly how the First Amendment applies in the case of anonymous postings on the internet.

 The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is fighting a Nevada U.S. Attorney who is seeking the names and personal information of anonymous posters responding to a Las Vegas Review-Journal newspaper story.

The story about a federal case against Nevada businessman Robert Kahre, drew some caustic—some have said possibly threatening—comments about U.S. Assistant District Attorney J. Gregory Damm and the jury hearing the case.

Kahre, a construction company executive, was charged with income tax evasion, fraud and criminal conspiracy for paying contractors with gold and silver U.S. coins based on their precious metal value but using the much lower face values on the coins for tax purposes.

Ironically, those coins are considered legal tender by the big government boys and girls, but they don’t like the coins being used that way. But that’s an article for another day.

The story ran May 26, 2009, and within days had more than 200 comments posted on the story. By June 2 the paper had the subpoena in hand requesting the information, according to press reports.

The U.S. Attorney initially sought the names of all who posted remarks about the article. But the paper resisted and the government backed down and singled out two it didn’t like. The newspaper was willing to relent on those two, but the ACLU filed court documents to stop it.

In the comments, one of the posters called the jury members “dummies” and said they should be “hung” if they convicted Kayre. The other wanted to bet the U.S. Attorney wouldn’t celebrate his next birthday.

There were others, too. In them Damm was called a fascist and other names. In response, Damm did what any self-respecting fascist would. He sought to intimidate, if not arrest, those who so labeled him.

Freedom of speech in America is supposed to mean people are free to express themselves regardless of who gets their feelings hurt. But of late the government boys and girls don’t seem to like that idea. Hence we get terms like hate speech and terrorism and threats lumped into one big category that makes one person’s speech unacceptable—meaning no longer free.

I wonder what the British government thought about Thomas Paine? Probably thought his Common Sense was hate speech. He wrote it anonymously and it helped to foment the ideas that led to a revolution. That should be a particularly poignant thought coming off the 233rd birthday of our Republic.

And I’m sure that if someone wanted to be offended some of the comments posted on Personal Liberty Digest could be considered offensive, what with names like right wing nut job and commie pinko—and some worse—being slung around willy-nilly.

But America is not Iran. Americans can still—today at least—lean on the First Amendment when they want to express themselves.

They can even hold Tea Party protests—although Tea Parties upset liberals and government boys and girls who like to use free speech to call the Tea Party participants ugly names and then turn around and claim hate speech when the names are turned back on them.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • American Citizen

    For the most part, ACLU stands for Anti Civil Rights Union. Once in a while they get it right. But then it also makes me suspicious of its motives. I hope in this case it means what it says.

    • Melody

      Watch out though…. One good deed for free speech does not erase 99% of all the harm and harassment it has caused. They are not saints…. they are covering their a… so the next case, you won’t be looking. The organization is as good or bad as the people in it, and these days, people are so out of touch with what is right or wrong I would be hard pressed to find someone working with ACLU that is a conservative. Like minded people attract like minded people. When was the last time you heard of the ACLU fighting for the rights of a conservative?

      • American Citizen

        Oh, I know, that’s what makes me suspicious of this move by them. I don’t trust them for a minute. Notice those who want to trash the First Amendment seem to be either Liberals or Democrats? What are they afraid of? Truth will out.

  • Richard, PA

    Alfonso, I joined the ACLU and can say with certainty that they do fight for the wrong things on occasion BUT they fight for the right things as well . . . the first amendment. It’s easy to feel that it’s only the Jew being harassed, or the gay folks down the road getting a hard time but if you let them take a hit you will be next. Remember the saying in Germany, it goes something like this- First they came for the butcher and then they came for the candlestick maker and then they came for me”. By standing with your fellow citizens you are standing for yourself and by the way if you think some creep attorney would not harass those people whose names were given out and do so with your taxpayer money, and do so on your time and bury them in debt defending themselves then you have your head in the sand . . . wake up before it’s your turn. Just for your information I’m politically very right of center – but I no longer associate with any party since I think they are all out for themselves.

  • http://www.readwhatisee.com P Alfonso

    I am fine with publishing the names.

    If you are going to be bold enough to use the first amendment then be bold enough to put your name on it.

    If a person has to hide behind the first amendment then that person is not protecting it but instead implies that has already lost that right. The proper course would be to stand up and fight to get it back.

    The ACLU does not stand for freedom of speech but instead wants to silence the people. The ACLU is an enemy of freedom and an instrument of Progressive Fascism.

  • http://www.readwhatisee.com P Alfonso

    I am fine with publishing the names.

    If you are going to be bold enough to use the first amendment then be bold enough to put your name on it.

    If a person has to hide behind the first amendment then that person is not protecting it but instead implies that has already lost that right. The proper course would be to stand up and fight to get it back.

    The ACLU does not stand for freedom of speech but instead wants to silence the people. The ACLU is an enemy of freedom and an instrument of Progressive Fascism.

    • http://none gary

      Don’t you understand our names in their hands are a death warrant for us in the night? They have goon squads at work now. Ok so make it easy for them send your name address credit card number if you want, but do not blame me If you are the first to go into exile, or worse, because the goons knew where their enemies lived. You may think it foolish to protect you personal information. But do not project your honest use of information on them, for the way these crooks plan to use our full identity. They want swift retribution for our opposition to their evil ways. These are crooks treat them like crooks, not as father confessor. The less they know of our rightful civil movement the safer we will stay for a time. Remember they want nothing less than to silence the opposition. Oh go ahead if you must tell them up front who they can put on their list for eradication. As for me I would rather live to fight another day. I count this danger enough just warning you who think you are dealing with people who are just and right thinking people. NO they are CROOKS who want to disable completely our move to right the ship of state. They will not hesitate to use force to do that. I know it is already happening to me personally. The things said in this blog can get us all killed. You better believe it. Oh you don’t think that will ever happen? Just look at every other despot and see how they get established and stay that way.

      • Patricia Henson

        They can get your name from the inernet company anyway as everyone registers.

  • Jan Geren

    Why am I not surprised? This is where we have been heading for a very long time. Our freedoms’ are being taken one by one and apathy is our biggest enemy and the best tool for the powers that be! I am sick of control freak governments, where do we go to just live! We ALL need to get up and take action to stop this before it is really out of hand!

  • outspoken2

    Most of the time ACLU fights for the wrong reason and wrong issues, but occasionally they confused and fight for the right reason and the right issues.

  • John Kent

    This is the first time I have heard of the ALCU doing anything to protect the average person’s freedom! Hooray!!! All Americans are in trouble if the government is able to go after anyone it wants to for writing somthing which expresses a protest to somthing the government is pursuing.

    JK

  • http://googlemail larry mc kenna

    Hi, I live in Northern Ireland, anywhere you care to mention where there is or has been trouble, if you dig a little under the surface you will find American interference. Remember Vietnam, remember The Chile coup, how long did the Genocide continue in Bosnia before intervention ! Pity they had no oil reserves or many lives may have been saved. look at America’s health service ! No we need freedom of speech or we are already dead !

    • Salmon

      All those listed places are the UN’s doings: the genocides were not against muslims that I can remember. When they were, they stepped in to stop them. Darfur comes to mind.

  • http://www.resistnet.com Support the Constitution

    I hope Kahre wins his case. I think we should all demand to be paid in Gold by our employers, its gonna wind up that way anyways as soon as our economy fails from all the spending going on.

    • http://www.readwhatisee.com P Alfonso

      If we begin to get paid in gold we will get 5 cents on the dollar for that is all our dollar is worth.

      • Patricia Henson

        I think you overvalued it. lol

  • Gary in Oregon

    Three people so far in these comments have used their last names, oops will the ACLU please help them for exercising their free speech right. The only thing that Gary did was quote Benjamin Franklin, that doesn’t sound like a subversive at work…

  • outspoken2

    The wacko’s think our Penal System Warehouses “PRISONS” are full now, wait till they outlaw the First Amendment, then I’ll probably have a new address and title. Some say name calling is bad, using names like dunce,dummy, stupid, dumb, cretin, moron, those are words of frustration and rage aimed at people and a broken and Politically Correct Judicial system. Using profanity, threats, and intimidation, that’s just bad form.

  • Ron

    I am all for protecting our rights to free speech; however free speech doesn’t give us the right to say whatever we want. We still have to act within the limits of the law. We can’t threaten another person’s life without consequence.

    • Tim FL

      Threatening is one thing, acting on the threat is another. A person can use their First Amendment rights to threaten me all they want to. But if they act upon the threat, I’ll invoke my Second Amendment rights with no reservations.
      Making a threat is not like screaming “FIRE” in a crowded theater. That is not a a form of protected speech because real harm or death can result from the ensuing panic. Threats on the other hand, harm no one, even if what is said makes you feel uncomfortable, the words are just empty rhetoric until acted upon.
      If we allow our governments to prosecute “thought crimes”, our country truly will be on the brink of disaster…

  • http://pliberty Dan Denman

    Here are some names for ya:
    the following are trying to bring this FREE country into submission-
    Obama and his regime
    Gore
    Fed Reserve
    Liberals
    UN
    Trilateralists
    Bilderbergers
    council on foreign relations

    • DixieConnie

      Don’t forget: George Saras

  • http://spiveysabertoothknife.com Jefferson Spivey

    I believe the ACLU is the Nations great deceivers. Their favorable interest in the Constitution, freedom and the American way will always been acutely suspicious.

  • Mtmtman

    I agree with Mark. The ACLU was started by a man who spent 6 years in Russia being indoctrinated with the techniques of Marx for the overthrow of our government. The reason the ACLU is fighting the assistant AG is if he should prevail then the communists would lose one of their main tools–the written word to demean loyal americans and isolate groups in the publics perception. Consider what their ilk have done to Palin. She scares them to death and so they (and the rest of the democratic party that are not quite Marxists yet) joined in the attacks.
    In any case let me get this straight. Kahre used lawful money of the US to pay his employees with (gold and silver coins) Let’s understand that under the constitution this is the ONLY lawful money in the US. Secondly, the employees were happy to accept it—at its current value and that had about 100% chance of increasing in value in the future vs. worthless paper that had a 100% chance of decreasing in the future.
    Of course that is totally unacceptable!! If the use of honest money ever returned to common practice it would destroy the ability of the politicians to spend money we don’t have. They could not steal us blind. They would lose all their power to rob and steal the american public blind. Why who knows, we might even return to a prosperous country. Of course if we did that we would have to indoctrinate an awful lot of facist liberals to the beauty of the constitution and bill of rights. I am not very erudite so maybe the word should be innoculate instead of indoctrinate. You decide. We could start with that senator from the great state of Nevada. What’s his name? Oh yes! Harry Reid and his harlot in the house (yea thats right, the whore house) Pelosi.

    So Damm received or saw posts that were damning Damm for trying to prosecute Kahre for doing something legal. If we had a president he would fire Damm for trying to prosecute an honest businessman. Of course we don’t have one (and while we have had legal ones in the past years we have only had one good one.)

    • Salmon

      But you forget: in times (at the Pres discretion) of trouble, POTUS can recall all gold and silver out of private ownership. Now what?

  • Eric

    It is sad that in our society today that our rights are being attacked by people searching for control. What most people don’t realize is that control is an illusion. It will only last so long before someone has the guts to stand up and say this is not right.
    We have become so PC now a days that people are afraid to say anything because we might “offend” someone. Be careful people if we let stuff like this happen, more and more of our rights will be taken away.
    Oh and don’t let anyone tell you that some right have to be given up for the greater good, socialist B.S.

    • Salmon

      That is like Mrs O telling us that for fairness some folks will have to give up some of their pie, so we can all be equal, while she is pimpin a $6000 purse and wearing $500 sneaks at a $445 lunch!

  • s c

    The day the ACLU is good enough to protect our rights is the day that we need criminals to protect us. I know from experience how fickle their ‘standards’ can be. The ACLU is living proof that no one or group can serve two masters. The result is always predictable. Any
    respectable individual or group can do a better job than the ACLU. The idea that anyone can see the ACLU as a friend proves that many people have minimal or no standards for their ‘friends.’ The ACLU is
    not America’s friend. It was never our friend. It will never be our friend.

    • Salmon

      A good friend with letters: ACLJ is the American Center for Law and Justice. My choice of one to protect our liberties.

    • Larry McKinley

      SC: That is a Ha Threat if you ask me, Now you are a criminal.
      Turn yourself in, Today.
      One year in the County Jail, They confiscate your property and auction it off.
      You get out with nothing and no cab fare.

      All of you think about this.
      Our Judicial System.
      Rich Judges and starving lawyers.

  • Connie

    Dave, I don’t think Obama is as much a good orator as he is a man who can read on a college level. Have you seen him when the tele-prompter screws up? He grinds to a halt as fast a dremmel with a dead battery.Not counting all the smoke and mirrors. These change the whole complexion of what is really going on.

    • Larry McKinley

      Well Gee” You should be in Obamas shoes for a minite giving a speech.

  • Bob

    The ACLU is a heinous organization. But, every now and then, even a blind pig finds an truffle.

    Our government has gone through a revolution; and the revolutionaries are now in charge of the government. The government wants to seek out and neutralize any critics. If we as citizens do not wake up, we will find all our rights gone. And, instead of a government of the people, by the people, and for the people; we will find ourselves property of the government; merely subjects of the governing.

  • Sam

    Come on Bob, free speech does not mean secret sniping – it means standing up and expressing ones opinions in open debate. Threats, veiled or otherwise, are not free speech. Descent into offensive name calling usually indicates an inability to express an opinion.

  • Robin, Arcadia, IN

    99% of the time I feel the ACLU is one of the worst organizations in the United States. Very rarely would I ever agree with them on anything. But, this is one of those times that they are actually doing the right thing. Mark it on the calendar. I am sure it won’t happen again for another month of Sundays!
    Every American citizen is entitled to free speech. Those who don’t agree, should leave America and go somewhere that will be more to their liking.

  • JoeBob

    This is the first time I can recall supporting a position the ACLU has taken. I suppose it was bound to happen.

    • Mike D.

      You and Me both!!!!

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        MIKE D. BEWARE OF WOLFS IN SHEEPS CLOTHING,THE (ACLU AND AIPAC )ARE ONE AND THE SAME,THIS IS JUST A SMOKE SCREEN,SO THEY CAN DESTROY THIS NATION,LITTLE BY LITTLE,YOU CAN BE SURE THIS MOVE ON THE ACLUS PART IS DAMAGE CONTROL,TO TAKE EVERYONES EYES OFF THEIR PAST RECORD AGAINST ,OUR CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS, THEY ARE COMMUNISTS AT HEART,PRO ISREALI AND PRO JEWISH,AND NOT TO BE TRUSTED AT ALL. PLEASE JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND NOT PRO GOYIM FOR SURE.

  • HP

    strong text Ordinarily, I do not support anything the ACLU is behind, but I support them in this case.I do not think newspapers, magazines,internet blogs or anything else should be subject to being turned over to the gov.”watch-dogs”. Usually they would not care anyway unless it was something in opposition to their position.Therein is the problem, in order for speech to be free,it must not be hampered by restrictions placed on it by our ever-increasing all-knowing government.Why else would they need to know who authors the speech, except to restrain or intimidate the person or persons who originated the speech.Now I think there are exceptions,only if the speech is threatning of bodily harm,or speech contrary to the constitution & laws of this Republic, otherwise free speech should be just that,free to say whatever you like.With that said, I think discretion should be used in our newspapers & TV & internet, no profanity, or course language.I would hate to see a time when anything would be considered “acceptable”. I guess I think gutter language should be left there,in the gutter.

    • Salmon

      I wonder if they will represent the folks who don’t want to give any information, other than the Enumeration of the residence in 2010, when ACORN comes around to data collect all your private info?

  • http://YahooAtt gene shires

    I’m watching the Tea Party-Groups, Wishing I were not Disabled and Could Join Them- In Protest! I’ve Never Protested or marched, against Our Government, But They Were Not Crooks- Like We Got Now! Thieves and Robbing Tyranists! Patrick Henry Is My HERO!!!!! Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death! Gene Shires, Mooresboro, NC

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      If the ACLU thinks the writer should be secret, then Im am all for having to reveal who the writer is, because anything these clowns to is anti-American, anti God, anti common sense, and anti-good. Thats why ACLU stands for Anti-Christ-Lawyers-Union. Bastards. They should be kicked out of the country. They are going to keep pushing and digging, until its going to come to where us common citizens are going to be forced to hunt these dogs down and put them down. They are no good.

      • dianeremarx

        You don’t seem to understand that the ACLU is protecting your privacy as the ‘writer’. Yes, the ACLU does a lot of things I’m not for but in this case, they are right on the money in protecting MY privacy.

      • Dave

        let’s see if the ACLU gets out there and protects our right NOT to have our medical records online, for any hacker to know about.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Thats fine and dandy, but if Im writing something I need to hide who I am about, I probably shouldnt be writing it. It comes back to accountability, and there is way to much of people doing things these days and not being held accountable for it, because either they were on drugs, or they were drunk, or they were too young, or they just didnt know. Baloney. If I write something, sorry, call me a stupid adult, but I need held responsible for what I say and do. Its called being a grown up. I see the wack nut jobs like Nancy Pelosi who say something, then say just the opposite, but are never held accountable for what they say and do. Why? Ive got a problem with that. The truth will set you free. If you say something, an opposing view should be able to ask why you feel that way, to which you would be entitled to a reply as to why you feel that way, and this is how adult discussions are made. The ACLU does not represent me, and I do not want those evil bastards anywhere around concerning me. But since Im a white Christian male, they wouldnt bother. Im not allowed to have any rights in their world.

      • DaveH

        Mark,
        I agree with you that we should not be afraid to speak our piece. But I think Diane is correct too, because many people are afraid to speak up for fear that the bullies in society will seek physical retaliation (and that has happened throughout history).
        I don’t know if you’ve ever been in a court action. I have only been in divorce court (many times for my one marriage), but I observed that most of the people in the hallway looked pretty miserable. I know that I was very abused by the legal system (I call it “legal mugging”). So, I can very much understand that most people don’t want to get tangled up in legal action. And they should have that right to be anonymous. Why should the government be able to punish us for words? They should only be able to punish us for actions. As my father always said “Sticks and stones will break your bones, but names will never hurt you”. Yes, we can be hurt emotionally, but if we go there we soon won’t be allowed to speak at all.

      • Dave

        I am no fan of the ACLU, usually, (A Clueless Liberal Ultimatum ) but this is a difficult case. To actually threaten someone in any circumstance unless they are quite clear they are not serious, they could well be serious.
        Don’t get me wrong, I am all for privacy rights, and in this case I would support the ACLU, however serious threats against people, and this Country need to be taken into consideration, even if it is detaining someone to find out exactly where they are coming from, not just arresting them and throwing away the key. Of course this was not the case of proven suspected terrorists…and, well if you think closing Gitmo, is a good idea than the next step is to board these ‘victims’ at your family home.
        The problem with exercising this type of power is that it can be misused.

        C.S. Lewis said it best, ” Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.”

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        No, Im for keeping Gitmo open, and keeping the politicians out of the military’s business.

      • Larry McKinley

        Mark is now Theatening the ACLU.
        It is in Black and White and he is now a Criminal.
        He is a Felon for the Threat.
        He should be Locked Up.
        Thank God we have the Constitution.

    • dianeremarx

      I am disabled too and I want to go to the 9-12-09 National Taxpayer Protests in Washington, DC. http://912dc.org/

      I’m going to try and go anyway. Even if I can’t walk along the route, I can sure hold a sign and position myself at the end of the protest route. I’m sure there will be other disabled people there too. Try to get some friends, other disabled or family to go with you. I think it is important we be there.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Good job Dianne, good post. Im proud of you for standing up like this.

    • Dave

      To Gene,
      Patrick Henry also very nearly, single-handedly, made our Constitutional Convention of 1787 not pass. Yes, a very good orator, perhaps too good.
      You may know by now, that Obama is a very good orator as well. Without strength of A. Hamilton, John Jay, Madison, as well as then Justice Marshall, our Constitution would never have gotten off the ground.

      • Dave

        I just remembered that Alexander Hamilton wrote most of his writings under the pseudonym, Publius, and most of those writings make up his portion of The Federalist Papers. Writing and having anonymity, one could say is a tradition in this country.

      • Gary Adsitt

        ” Here comes the orator with his flood of words,
        and his drop of reason”
        Benjamin Franklin
        It sounds like Ben knew Obama was on his way…

      • Larry McKinley

        Gary is a Racist, Ignorant at that.

      • Tim FL

        You can thank Patrick Henry and the Anti-Federalists for the addition of the Bill of Rights to our Constitution. You’re exactly right. If the Federalists had not given in on this point, the convention would have been stymied…

      • Larry McKinley

        Tim, Great Reply
        If only the dummys would stop POSTING.

    • DaveH

      Gene,
      I think there have always been crooks in government just as in any other sector of the economy. What is different now is the size of government and the much greater power of modern government. We need to ride hard on our representatives and get them to role back the size of governments or lose their jobs.

    • sandra lane

      Mr Shires,

      I am sorry you are disabled, but you can do a lot. E-mail congress Join the 9-12
      project. Help others organize Tea Partys. Write your newspaper.Call your friends.

      Read Glenn Beck”s new book “Common Sense” You are not alone!!!

      • Melody

        I agree. I just got through reading our local paper. The editor is a tyrant liberal and his latest 2 full pages of Obama praise and articles mocking our local tea party event has put me beyond my limits of tolerance. This is a war of values. We are a small community, and this one man in charge of the one newspaper that all the small business use to advertise in have no choice…. and he knows it too. The anger I feel for this man and his attitude has made me decide to take it to the business community and ask them to pull all forms of their ads for 6 months. Then we will see what this blow hard has to say. He mocks conservatives, but has no problem taking their money. I say, we will see. I am also going to ask people to cancel their subscriptions. I have had enough of this crap….. he can peddle to those he identifies with… but there aren’t any in this town. We as conservatives have more power than we think…. if we will only execute it.

      • Salmon

        Gitterdun!

    • Patricia Henson

      I’m sure that if you contacted the people organizing the teaparties that they could find a job for you. No one is worthless and we all have our special God- given talents. Making phone calls and licking stamps is just as important as anything that they may do on the outside. Every voice is needed, especially yours as If Obama has his way it’s The old and disabled that he considers expendable and you won’t get the medical treatment that you may need. He would just soon you go home and die for you are too expensive to treat. You too are important so don’t give up now.

    • Mike D.

      2010, Gene! That is as loud as you need to be.

      • Stassi

        What if you loose agin?
        Then What?
        Whose fault will it be then?

      • Mike D.

        We make sure that we DON’T loose again!
        I’m convinced that most people in this country do not follow this uro socialist agenda. I know I don’t!
        If you remember in the Iran crisis,( 20 some yrs ago) that country looked in total chaos, but in fact it was just a smoke screen to distract from what was really taking place.
        Sound familiar?! Do not under estimate our elected officials. 2010!

      • PJ

        IMPEACH THE ZERO NOW! He’s already a disaster. By 2010 it will be too late

      • Larry McKinley

        PJ: What do you know about nothing?
        The BEST MAN was Elected for the JOB.
        Your JOB is to support him.

  • Brian Rawls

    Soon the first will be thrown out the window. Each one of us will be picked up and detained at one of the fema camps around the country for being on this site.

    • http://none gary

      We are in to that now, freedom is dying fast. They are anti American and will destroy this country if not stopped. Perhaps it is too late already. The right of free speech is the basis for a free country. Kill it and kill the freedom. Kill freedom and we will see the good old USA in civil war not too far off. Just like Iran the protesters will die for only wanting right government. How many you say. No one will know because speech will not be free. We have seen it in every country with a despot as ruler. Kill off the opposition. If anyone thinks we are not headed that way, Wake and smell the garbage, before you are it.

      • Agree

        Amen to that.

      • http://n/a Shore Barb

        You are absolutely correct I am afraid. BHO henchmen go around threatening BHO’s opponents. I take George Bush anyday over this.

      • fred

        They are both traitors and controlled by the same
        Elitist group. Things happen for a reason and we
        have been losing our freedoms gradually over the
        past 200 years under all political parties who are
        controlled by powerful foreign and domestic interests.(enemies)
        For more information please visit prison planet, info wars,
        Restore the Republic, Sherriff mack.com, your remedy isinthelaw,
        freepeopleontheland,goooh.com, http://www.1215.org,farmwars.info
        and perhaps many other patriotic groups now fighting to restore
        our once proud Republic.
        We have been deceived and need very positive leaders both inside and
        outside government to turn things around.
        Fred

      • James

        We haven’t had a president since they murdered Kennedy.
        And unless We get rid of these international thieves bankers, we never will.
        Our Country has been hijacked by these criminals and We Have to Take It Back Or serve these criminals.

      • Karen

        Well now. The U.S. Attorney wants some questions answered, isn’t that interesting? I for one, have a ‘big question’ that I would like to hear the U.S. Government answer. Try this one on for size (It is a puzzle):

        Interesting Solution to Obama’s Citizenship Question

        While I’ve interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:

        What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi ?

        So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

        And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

        The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.

        It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.

        Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
        A : Yes, by his own admission.

        Q: What passport did he travel under?

        A: There are only three possibilities.
        1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
        2) He traveled with a British passport, or
        3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

        Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
        A: No. It is not possible.
        Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.
        Conclusion:
        When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

        Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008..

        Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

      • Stassi

        Yes I agree. We don’t want him to invade a country for reason other than he wants to, Lie about the reasons he wants to invade, torture prisoners even though it’s clearly against the law, direct the CIA to do things without Congressional Approval, and just basicly do things that are against the law because he thinks laws don’t apply to the President. You know we just had 8 years of that kind of dictatorship, we don’t need another 8.

        You really gotta stop watching Fox News 24 / 7. Turn on something else and draw your own conclusions. Don’t let the extremist right wing media brain wash you. I think Obama already came up with a birth certifacate and it was approved by the everyone that had to approve it for him to become President. Hey, don’t be so bitter just because the old man and weird quitter lady didn’t didn’t win. The American People spoke out. It was an election. It’s call democracy. I know it’s a new concept to you because Bush somehow got his 2 elections rigged and you don’t understand the idea of free elections when your guy lost. But look at this way, in 3-1/2 years you have the oppertunity to vote for your guy again. It will go by fast don’t worry.
        Maybe you can get the Republicans to come up with some ideas in the next 3 years to show that they deserve to be in the Whitehouse again. But seems to me they just want to say no, quit when things get to difficult to handle or just can’t seem to keep from getting caught with their pants down. My my, what a mess they seem to be in. But where are all the right wing extremist stories about that? When Clinton got caught with his pants down that was all we heard for month after month. Now the Republicans are doing it and your extremeist are trying to sweep it under the rug.

      • http://paragonservices.org Gloria

        Karen, you are so right. I don’t know what part of that the big guys with all of their advanced degress at the JUSTICE Department don’t understand.

        Stassi: you are so full of sh– I bet your eyes are brown and you are probably chronically constipated.

      • Patricia Henson

        You’re Right about the comment about freedom not being free. It never was. Many men and women have paid a huge price(their lives) during the course of our history. We are so lazy that we can’t get off of the couch and protest in the streets. I don’t admire much about Iran but I do admire the peoples moxie in standing up for what they beleive is right, even at the cost of their lives. There is so much wrong in government right now and I think people are waking up but is it too late. Everyone is sitting around waiting for someone else to do something. I write and call our so called leaders everyday, I hope you are doing the same. I attend every teaparty and protest I can find. It may come to something a little more, I don’t know but for now everyone must do his or her parts under the law. I know it seems unfair that we have to stay within the law while our government leaders are breaking everyone ever written. For now though we all need to unite and speak out with one voice loud enough so Washington can hear us and know that we are serious no matter where we are. There are many brave Americans in this country and I still beleive in you. Let’s not be too late, stand up today and be heard.

      • Salmon

        Let me urge you all to join the NRA or the Gun Owners of America in the fight to retain the 2d as well: otherwise, once 1 and 2 are outa here, there is no Republic for which it stands……….

      • Rich

        Too late — already did.

      • Larry McKinley

        Good REPLY, Utah we have no RIGHTS.
        Especially ConstitutiEveryone is charged with a FELONY for GUN CONTROL. Our Government is scared of us because we have the second ammendment and have the guns.
        You see the News with the Federal Police on the side of Government, Not the People and innocent Protesters are being killed for freedom and a right to vote.
        Our Servants are living to high on the HOG.
        They are not Authorities, Not smart enough.
        After getting aquainted with our local Authorities, I found they were a bunch of dummys with no experience what so ever and this includes the Judges. How did they ever get in control???????

    • http://dandickerson@covenantministriesofamerica.com dan

      The only way that will happen is if americans cave in to the intimidation tactics of liberals. We are required by the declaration to abolish any form of government that treads on God given rights. That does not mean violence but it does mean getting our values and backbone back and start electing and demanding our ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT to abide by the constitution and if they don’t they get the boot at the next election or better yet get impeached.

      • Laurie Bluth

        Hopefully, the multitude of folks who are not educated in their rights and want the government to feed and clothe them can be converted to responsibility for themselves and educated in what they will be giving up. But, don’t hold your breath. Have you seen “JayWalking” on Jay Leno’s show? Some of these folks are lucky to be breathing on their own, let alone have the inquisitiveness to find out the truth about what is going on.

        Only if the silent majority begins to speak out loudly enough to be heard by the herd will we gain back what we have lost and stop the bleeding.

      • http://www.sylviasmart.com Sylvia Smart

        Jay Leno selected only the idiots to air on the show – it was about entertainment – and they DID NOT represent the average citizen (and they were from the streets of Burbank California – not typical regular people). Americans are not as stupid as you may think. They are just easily distracted and they are not avid readers because of the poor educational system the government has promoted for so long. They still have the ability to think – we just need to scoot them off the sofa and get them out into the real world. Look at the electorial map – Obama was not elected by the majority and he was not elected fairly. Billions of illegal contributions were behind this election and ACORN basically purchased the votes. More the 75% of the voters who voted for this evil man had never voted before in their lives! Give them $20 and they vote as many times as you want them to, anyway that you want them too. Those were inner-city 3rd generation welfare recipients. If they didn’t go along with it the ACORN thugs were there to intimidate them. This is the same “civilian army” that Obama is currently training – inner city gang bangers to enforce martial law when the time comes. We need to act now – before that happens. Come to DC in September and be heard! Bring your children – it will be an historic time in our history.

      • http://n/a Shore Barb

        There is no way the 50% who get everything free because we pay taxes are going to willingly give it up. What we need is a constitutional amendment that only those who pay taxes are allowed to vote. We are being governed by those we are paying for. We have reached the tipping point. What incentive is there for those who do not work and get a bonus for not working through filing a tax return to ever do anything but live off us.

      • Nom

        The problem is that all those groups that live like leaches off of us working people, multiply like rats, so we, the working people, are becoming a minority in a record fast pase. This is like growing cancer that can’t be curred.

        I wonder what “genius” government would do if all WORKING Americans moved to other countries. hahahahaha That would be funny.

      • Brian Rawls

        Dan Dan Dan do you really think they will let you just abolish them out. It will take violence, they will just get the military or the police to arrest you for something. In the constitution they were refering to violence.

      • HP

        Dan, how about we have another “million man march” by conservatives or anyone else who is not happy seeing our country “trashed” and being turned into a different country than what we grew up in.We are seeing our freedoms trampled on a little at the tine,a supreme court who makes the laws instead of interpreting the ones we already have.Liberal judges that goes along with removing God out of the schools,the courts, the gov.bldgs.We have runaway government, tax increases & gov. takeovers & bail-outs.If we returned to the principals that this country was founded upon instead of all this “political correctness” I think we would be better off.Yes, I would love to see someone organize one of those marches & just go up there right into the halls of congress & sit or lie down to where they cannot conduct bussiness until they started listening to the people once again.I know this probably sounds dumb,but they have passed the cap & tax or what-ever they call it, & now they are talking of taking over Health-care.Who is going to pay for all this? The democrats are spending like all they had to do is just go out & dip it up out of the Potomic River.I agree with Shore Barb,I’d rather have GWB than this “fruit-cake” we got now.

      • Jaye

        Dan, Do you think that there are still a million real men left in this country? I sure hope so but it looks dubious. It will take men, women & children, marching in D.C. to stop traffic and not move until they do something useful. We have to get these selfserving, anti-American nincompoops out of office.

      • Patricia Henson

        You are absolutely right about them being God given rights. Somewhere along the line though we have turned our backs on God and that’s the biggest problem in this country. We have taken God out of our schools and we have taken every Christian Icon out of public buildings. They are even trying to take( One nation under God) out of the Pledge of allegiance. Since we have turned our backs on God I think He is shutting his eyes to us. This country needs a revival like you wouldn,t beleive. We could get this country back over night if only we would turn our devotion back to God where it belongs. Obama and his minions wouldn’t know what hit them if God was fighting this battle to get this country back in shape. I hope you will consider what I’m saying. It’s gotten to be a dirty word to mention our Lord in public. If you do you are apt to offend someone. You can mention Allah, Budda, Or Satan all day long and no one has a problem, but you mention Jesus Christ and you suddenly become a pariah. It goes so far that you can be sued, isn’t that nuts? Even most of our ministers have quit preaching the truth so they don’t offend people. Thats just sad because many of our young people don’t know the truth. They have been left in the dark. I know our young people are good people they just aren’t being told the truth. Please work on finding that truth because God still loves us and he can fight this battle and win with no help from us if we turn back to him and obey his commandments. If you remember our laws were based on those commandments.

      • Salmon

        None of them are considering abiding by the Constitution: example is the 2010 ENUMERATION of the residents of the USA. Required to tell how many reside in the residence. Nothing else required by the Constitution. So Congress adds some other law/u s code to allow them to fine us 5000 $ if we don’t answer all the personal data questions they have thrown in. Plus, they are contracting our favorite PR firm; ACORN to take all the info. How do you spell Identity theft?

      • Larry McKinley

        Dan: Knoch off the Liberal talk, I am Liberal and yet Conservitive.
        The Reason being what is the plan we are talking about.
        I could go eather way.
        My Doctor talks about quacks, I told him I know all about that, I see one in front of me.
        He does nothing I need to heal me, My health dwindals.
        Experimental Medicine seems to be quackery.

    • http://www.sylviasmart.com Sylvia Smart

      Evil is powerless if the Good are unafraid. Ronald Regan

      Obama is an evil destructive force in America. His minions of mindless followers remind me of Nazi Germany. Read the speeches of Musulini and Hitler – almost verbatim Obamanistic. If we had allowed fear and the desire for anonymity to paralize us before WWII – we would all be dead or speaking German or Japanese today!

      OK – there are appropriate places for anonymity – such as Union votes, national security issues, CIA operatives, undercover law enforcement agents. The place for anonimity is not in the exercise of free speech. Stand up Americans! Arm yourselves. Stop quivering on your sofa’s while you watch TV and say: “OMG it is terrible, it is awful, America is doomed!” These words can be self-fullfilling prophecies. Stop It! Stand up and be heard, show your face, sign your name, we are not the ones who should be trembling in our boots and hiding our faces. They should be afraid of us – because we are so much stronger and we are guided by the desire for freedom and liberty . We are Conservatives, Liberals, Independents, Libertarians, Constitutionalists from all walks of life, from all ethnic groups – it doesn’t matter – we are first of all AMERICANS and we cherish our Freedom. The Obamanites are guided by greed, and the hunger for limitless and corrupt power. If we stand up – they will surely fail. I think we should keep GITMO operational so we have a place to house these congressional thugs when the air clears and they are all indicted. If you and I are fearless – they will go to jail either soon after the complete economic collapse, or after a bloody revolution where Obama will be the greatest war criminal in history and will hang for treason against America. Cancel our debt with China – they loaned the money under false pretenses with a plan to destroy our country from within. Consider their economic tactics as an act of war. Expell Nancy, Hilliary and their cronies – let them go live in Saudi Arabia where they have best friends. Seize all the money from the Obama thugs and put it back where it belongs – with the people. Re-establish a federal government for the people and by the people to do the things that the Federal Government was designed to do. Uphold State’s Rights. Start drilling for Gas and Oil and get those American cars back into production under real business people and industry experts – not a bunch of wanna-be CEO’s wet-behind-the-ears college kids. Expose the myth of Global Warming – for what it is – complete BS designed to cripple our country. Dismantle the Federal Reserve and indict the people who have used it to rape America for years. Clean out that nest of hypocrites on the Supreme Court and do away with Presidential appointments and czars that bypass the electoral process and answer directly to a dictator. Institute strict term limitations of one term only so that being a representative of the people will not be a life-time road to luxury and exploitation. Supreme Court Judges should be selected randomly from the court system by lottery and should be drafted to serve one term of 4 years and be automatically replaced.

      Be Patriots – they did not hide their faces in their own Country!! Your faces and your names are those of Great American Heros – be proud to show them and stand up for them. We can do this! On September 11 we should all caravan across the country, having rallies along the way and adding millions of cars, buses, RVs and motorcycles, and arrive en-masse in DC to yell in their faces and paralize this illegal government, and demand Obama’s removal from office. Reinstitute the Constitution. We should make it the largest demonstration that ever happened in the world! Our Marines are fed up too – they are not going to shoot us! Especially if we are armed and angry!

      Sylvia A. Smart, a Proud American not afraid to speak out!

      • Mike51

        I totally agree with you and I hope that all patriot Americans who love our country and our free way of life will also agree with you and follow your lead and eventually will become leaders themselves.

      • Dragonspit

        I am a Veteran of our Military. Everyone of us who ever put on a uniform swore to protect and uphold the Constitution of the United States against all threat both foreign and domestic. The militaries job is not to protect the president or congress, but to protect the Constitution. We took that oath very seriously, we are even willing to give our lives in its protection. The American soldier will not shoot the citizens of the United States. The citizens are the beneficiaries of the Constitution. Our representatives need to remember that.

      • William

        Dragonspit, I’m a Military Veteran also. keep your powder dry “Brother”. Our skills may be needed again.

      • Mike D.

        2010 everyone! 2010!

      • Linda Eskridge

        Silvia,
        I’m in total agreement with you. I have thought that Obama is a lot like Hitler. Just read Hitler’s book, “My struggles and you can learn alot about him and his ideas. Obama is not to far from Hitler. I also feel that he is trying to set this country up for failure so that he can become America’s first dictator.
        We need to stand up for our country and the constitution that made her great. We need to get rid of the old cronies in congress and get rid of the Lobbyists. As Malcolm Berko in Oklahom said in his column, “Lobbyists are the poison of America’s middle class.” He suggested that the administration demand each lobbyist wear a Nazi armband and a red swastika on his lapel. If you can find his article, it was written Sunday, July 5, 2009 in the Oklahom paper…..Newsok.com
        We have alway been the silent majority, too busy working for a living and paying our bills. Just trying to get along with everyone. Well the retirement funds got eaten by the greedy in big business and they got the bailout. And now we don’t have a job. We are ready for the march on Washington. Just tell us when.
        Sincerely,
        Linda Eskridge

      • HP

        You go girl [Sylvia Smart]. I say AMEN to everything you say.

      • Patricia Henson

        Nicely said. We need to start with an audit of the federal reserve. They are given more power than they were ever intended to have. They are adding zeros to the bottom line without having the money to back it. I don’t see how that’s any different than counterfeiting. We’d get arrested for that. They have Fannie May and Freddie Mac guarantee loans that they know can’t be paid back. I think that if someone got to looking that they would find the money supposedly lost last Sept. in our quote economic collapse in offshore accounts or maybe funding foreign governments without our( the American people) knowledge. I think Obama is purposely destroying our dollar so he can have his one world currency. I think he really beleives that he can be the one world ruler that the Bible speaks of. He is trying to implement one world healthcare, he’s trying to abolish Christianity to form a one world religion( most likely muslim.) He is destroying even the family unit so the children will be taught to spy on and report the parents actions if they don’t fall into line with what the government wants. 5 years ago I would have called me a nutcase for thinking let alone saying these things, but if you look around with your eyes wide open YOU will see what I’m talking about. If you listen to Obama speak he tells you what he’s going to be doing 10 years down the line. The presidents legal term only lasts 8 years if re-elected. He makes no secret of what he wants to do.

      • FarRightWinger

        It really does not matter much but the Fascist leader’s name is Mussolini, not Musulini. I am very enlighted that you are one of those rare, still alive eyewitnesses who had EXPERIENCE during Mussolini and /or Hitler times. You admitted : the obamanian times remind you to those times. That means; you LIVED under those great times when Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini led their people (and the entire European nations) out of the judeo-cannibalistic-bolshevik times (which YOUR country defended so diligently to preserve communism in Europe and throughout the years).
        How come none of you ever meintioned Stalin, Lenin, Kaganovits, Berija, Rothenfeld, or Ceausescu names? These are the biggest communist massmurderers, gun-grabbers and subhumans in the recent history. Is something connect you to your racial brothers? All above were known as non-Aryans, coming from their kabalistic talmudian origins…
        Oh yes, and don’t forget the rabbi’s son Karl Marx, who can be balmed at first for all the world’s troubles, introducing bolshevism for the suffering world…

      • Salmon

        which YOUR country defended (Isn’t it yours too?) these folks were patted on the back by the commie loving UN. MSM won’t rail on them, as they are all backed by the same money looking for one world govt, and the total enslavement of the working chumps!

      • FarRightWinger

        It really does not matter much but the Fascist leader’s name is Mussolini, not Musulini. I am very enlighted that you are one of those rare, still alive eyewitnesses who had EXPERIENCE during Mussolini and /or Hitler times. You admitted : the obamanian times remind you to those times. That means; you LIVED under those great times when Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini led their people (and the entire European nations) out of the judeo-cannibalistic-bolshevik times (which YOUR country defended so diligently to preserve communism in Europe and throughout the years).
        How come none of you ever meintioned Stalin, Lenin, Kaganovits, Berija, Rothenfeld, or Ceausescu names? These are the biggest communist massmurderers, gun-grabbers and subhumans in the recent history. Is something connect you to your racial brothers? All above were known as non-Aryans, coming from their kabalistic talmudian origins…
        Oh yes, and don’t forget the rabbi’s son Karl Marx, who can be balmed at first for all the world’s troubles, introducing bolshevism for the suffering world…
        My father was fighting in the German Waffen-SS with an atatched Hungarian unit. My information came from a real warrior who fought for our freedoms to save Europe from the marxist-judeo-american-satan.

      • Salmon

        I missed the last couple sentences which weren’t in the first one. Glad you got to talk with your father about the big one. Adolph started it, if I remember the history we were taught here. (USA) Karl had a great influence on the plans. I am sure there is Jewish blood throughout the Germanic race, and most others as well. There are probably marxist satanists in most countries, and they are all represented with their own personal ambassadors to the UN.
        Achtung! Bye Bye!

      • Larry McKinley

        Our Freedoms is already at risk. Freedom of speech is a Threat to many people.
        These people I mention are idiots.
        They are ignorant of the Constitution and do more damage than they know to innocent people.
        The Prosecutors in Utah have the Idea all the State is full of Criminals.
        True, Let;s start with the Judicial system when Police can beat a man to the ground for telling a cop to leave when no crime is comitted, Provo Utah.
        The story goes on, Don’t forget the Cop Obama invited to the White House, The story Continues.

    • http://PersoalLibertyAlerts John

      …Once said : “Those who do not rember the past are doomed to repeat it.”…
      Are we ever doomed , look who we have in the White House . A non-native born thief & a gang of fools willing to pass bills without reading them to know the full content .They ,the Democratic party ,like sheep follow the will of their leader & of their greed .We will put everyone of them out of office soon ,but by then it may be too late .We must demand their removal NOW ! On Sept 12 ( 912 ) there will be a massive Tea Party in DC ,lets shut down the entire DC area with people & storm the Halls of Liberty and send them packing . Lets also do the same in every State capital on that day ! We the people must retake AMERICA now or there will be no AMERICA tomorrow ! GOD bless AMERICA & save us all .

      • Patricia Henson

        They don’t read the bills before they are passed. You’re right. House majority leader Steny Hoyer-D (md) came out and threatened Obama by saying that his healthcare bill wouldn’t get passed if they had to read it. Sounds to me that someone doesn’t belong representing the people if he can’t do his job. Would you get to keep your job if you only did half of it? Something tells me (NOT)! It wouldn’t be so long in the first place if they cut out the pork. Tell the powers that be not to add 300 pages at 3 in the morning hoping to sneak it by everyone. Let’s band together and get the lazy criminals out of office.

      • Vicki

        http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/27

        Add your voice to the growing numbers demanding that Congress actually READ the bills they pass into law upon us.

      • Patricia Henson

        Reply to Vicki, Thanks for the information. I just did what you suggested. There is a wealth of information on the site. Thanks again. Patricia

      • Larry McKinley

        John is a Racist, the best man ever to be elected to the White House is there, Obama.

    • http://PersoalLibertyAlerts John

      For information about the Sept. 12 Tea Party in DC , to sign up , join the 912 movement , hold your own Tea Party , Discount travel & accomadations in the DC area for the 912 Tea party go to : http://www.resistnet.com ,also visit 912.com, google ” patriotic resistance “

      • Paul Ruby

        Yes I’d like information about the tea bagging party. Didn’t you receive you tax credit from the federal government?

    • Kat

      BS !!!

      That will cause in instantaneous revolution too, you had better believe it. First amendment stands forever. It is up to the individual not to run the trap amuck. People are people, they have a right to have feelings that bring out effed up words, or just p*ss poor dictionaries in their heads of a unique way of thinking,etc…

      pondering words is not easy for all, nor does a word necessarily mean the same to one as it does to most, or vice versa. Trying to stop the first amendment would ruin our country, people should learn not to take words in a way that people may not mean them. Perception is the key, and if your unsure you should be asking the talker, or writer, what exactly do they mean?

      • Larry McKinley

        What good advice,. Bravo.
        Always ask the talker what he means
        People make up what they want to hear.
        Many innocent people are hurt.

  • http://www.readwhatisee.com P Alfonso

    If we begin to get paid in gold we will get 5 cents on the dollar for that is all our dollar is worth.

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