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Census Workers Marking GPS Coordinates of U.S. Homes

June 19, 2009 by  

Census Workers Marking GPS Coordinates of U.S. Homes

The United States Constitution calls for an enumeration (census) to be taken every 10 years to determine the number of representatives each state will send to Congress. The next one is set to begin on April 1, 2010.

But census workers are already on the streets of America, and they’re doing more than just seeking the number of people in each household. They’re tasked with marking the Global Positioning System (GPS) coordinates of every house in America.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau website, “This GPS technology allows us to reduce the amount of time spent by census workers in locating addresses while increasing productivity. Most importantly, by adding a GPS coordinate to each housing unit, the Census Bureau is able to ensure that residents are counted in the right location. This is important as the data are used to apportion congressional representation and used to draw redistricting lines.”

But the idea of mapping GPS coordinates for every front door in America reeks of Big Brother intrusion. And it’s just a continuation of Big Brother Government’s efforts to compile more and more data on each individual.

Already the census goes far beyond its Constitutional charter of counting the population. Census forms ask intimate questions that are not the government’s business.

Information such as income, description of your property, whether you have running water, a shower or bathtub, type of heating system, the type of fees you have to pay in your community, rental or mortgage payment amounts, education level, whether you have insurance, whether you have a disability, how you get to work and much more is requested on some forms. All of it beyond the scope of what our Founders had in mind when they set up the enumeration.

All that information is great for pencil-pushing, snooping bureaucrats and newspaper editors writing statistical stories. But it’s much too much information for the government to have on its citizens.

Now comes the GPS coordinates as a further intrusion. As blogger Douglas V. Gibbs wrote on his American Daily Review, “GPS coordinates of your front door will make it easier for the government to monitor you. The U.S. Census Bureau is simply an excuse—a harmless-looking means of obtaining the front door coordinates. The creation of GPS coordinates for front doors has nothing to do with the Census, in all honesty, no matter how much the United States Government tries to convince you that it does.

“Why would the U.S. Government desire the exact location of your front door to be entered into their GPS data base when they already have the location of your home in the system?” Gibbs asked.

How’s this for a scenario? With the military stretched thin by fighting a two-front war, what’s going to happen in the case of a national emergency?

Gibbs posits that perhaps United Nations troops, many non-English speaking and certainly unfamiliar with U.S. communities, would use them to locate the neighborhoods they are required to police or the houses of people they are sent to take into custody.

Certainly foreign troops would be more willing than U.S. soldiers to quell an uprising of U.S. citizens fed up with an increasingly socialist/fascist government.

And who can forget the scenes of smart bombs and tomahawk missiles, guided by GPS coordinates, going through the windows and doors of buildings during the invasion of Iraq?

Who thinks this is what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the census into the Constitution?

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • http://www.infowars.com Ricky

    I encourage everyone out there to visit the website – http://www.infowars.com
    Perhaps then you will understand exactly who Big Brother is as well as Obama, and what their true agenda is. Stand up and fight for yourf freedom now while you’re still able.

  • http://aol j f caruso

    tTHE COMMON ENEMY OF EVERY FREE MAN IS HIS GOVERMENT=WILL THEY WANT TO TATTOO US NEXT ?????

    • David

      A biometric chip with your credit card imbedded under your skin is already a reality for some. While it sounds weird, most will want one eventually. This is because it cannot be lost or stolen. The more it is used, the more essential it will become.
      The bad part is that it can track you wherever you go, without you being aware. If all commerce is done this way, it will become essential that you have one.
      If you are too politically incorrect, they can simply have your chip turned off, and your only way to survive would be in their concentration camp or…
      My question would be, how do we safeguard against that kind of tyranny?

  • Bob Millner

    I am a self-employed accountant and most of my clients are angry about the direction of our country. Keep up the fight people! Attend the tea parties, send e-mails, call your congressmen. Don’t let up! Let your voices be heard and your presence be seen. Don’t buy liberal newspapers or magazines. Don’t listen to liberal news stations. Don’t donate to their causes. We can hurt them by withholding our dollars. The liberal newspapers are gradually going bankrupt and so are the media. The less people read or listen to them, the less money they make from advertising, subscribtions, etc. Engage liberals with facts and logic, but never get angry with them. Their viewpoints are usually just based on emotions; what feels good. Talk up the conservative points of view and hopefully change one person at a time. Make a list of your conservative points of view as questionaire with a yes or no answer ie Do you believe in our Constitution? Do you believe judges should be appointed based on their belief of our Constitution as written? Do you believe in the right of citizens to bear arms as provided in the 2nd Amendment? etc. Ask you liberal friends to answer the questions. I bet many will answer conservatively and now you can engage them in useful conversations. Use this especially with younger persons to offset the liberal brainwashing they have been receiving in our schools and colleges. Get them to thinking. Set down and read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence so you can talk about it intelligently. You probably haven’t actually read it since you were in school. Stay informed. We will take our Country back.

  • http://Worldnetdaily Artinchicago

    The best thing to do is start aborting (since abortion is legal and assassination isn’t) elected officials that violate their oath of office or vote against issues guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. This was the MAIN purpose of the Second Ammendment of the Bill of Rights {A well regulated militia (a citizen army that does not have to take orders from the President/Governor/Mayor…) being necessary to the security of a FREE State, the right of the people to keep and BEAR (carry on their person) arms SHALL NOT be infringed (Violated through legislation or miscarriage of law). Wake up you A55HOLES, the truth is about to break down your doors.

    • Jed

      Art – you are on to something! To abort means to terminate prematurely.What we need to do is to prematurely terminate the terms of those of our elected officials who do not support and defend the Constitution of the United States (and of the states wherein they serve as officeholders), which they all took a solemn oath (or affirmation) to do. If they have violated their oaths of office, they are not fit for office and should not be allowed to continue in office. There are plenty of Americans that ARE fit for office and would uphold their oaths to support and defend the Constitution of the U. S. and of their respective states. Winning an election entitles a candidate to the high privilege and honor of serving their fellow countrymen. Their service is a privilege, not a right, a privilege conditioned on their oaths to support and defend the Constitution(s). They are our servants and not our rulers! When they violate their oaths they break trust with their constituents, who are their fellow citizens and employers. Why should we wait for their elective terms of office to expire before removing them from office when their service was conditioned on their obedience to their oaths of office, which obedience was expected by the voters? So how do we implement this? Impeachment is often appropriate but generally too cumbersome. Recall elections are a better method but are only available in a handful of states and not at the federal level. We must yell and scream and write and fax and e-mail and DEMAND THEIR REMOVAL FROM OFFICE of any officeholders that violate their oaths of office. If enough of us concentrate on any given officeholder that has betrayed his or her office, we may be able to force their removal or at least weaken their support so that their RE-ELECTION prospects are jeopardized. We need to do more – more often – more forcefully – to petition our government for a redress of grievances, as guaranteed in our First Amendment, so that we do not have to employ our G-d-given and Second Amendment guaranteed right to bear arms in defense of our freedoms against our own government as a last resort!

      • azcIII

        I wonder if their violation of their Oaths of Office could be interpreted and legally pursued as a breach of contract?

      • Valverde

        No, but they are in breach of their oath of office which states they will defend the Constitution of the United States, so help them God. Of course, this bunch of weeps doesn’t believe the Constitution is anything but a bunch of suggestions like the 10 Commandments. If we really got a Supreme Court that was willing to defend the Constitution, we could be rid of all the weeps in an eyeblink, including Nobama, the Great(?), who thinks the Constitution is for minorities to run all over everybody else because they deserve it.
        You know, the more I get on these blogs, the more I realize we are just about in for a huge uprising, and it’s not going to be pleasant for anyone, minority or majority.

      • David

        I disagree with the notion of prematurely terminating the office holders as most would understand it. You may well find the media labeling you a domestic terrorist, and There is a group that I am a part of called “We the People”. It formed some time ago. I became involved as a plaintiff against my state to force them to use paper ballots. Programmable vote counting machines can be scammed without a trace.
        In our nationwide effort, all states except New York were dismissed for lack of Jurisdiction. New York is preparing for a jury trial now.

        By way of ‘backup’, We the people has also organized a new Continental Congress, on the order of the first one over 200 years ago. This is NOT a constitutional convention. We DO NOT want to tamper with the constitution, we want it enforced.

        There are other “We the People” groups springing up now, I know of one associated with the 912 project for instance. To find this one you might want to google the phrase ‘paper ballots’ or ‘continental congress’ along with it.

  • Carson

    The good old U.S.A. is almost at the point of no return, if the loyal, patriotic, true red blooded Americans don’t stand up and be heard NOW we will all be silenced FOREVER!!!!! What would your father, his father and his before him say to us as we sit idly by and let it all slip through our fingers. We as Americans have inherited from our ancestors the best country in the world, we all enjoy the freedom and the rights passed on to us from the previous generations, don’t we want to do the same for the next generation? If not, we can all continue down the same path and as sure as i’m sitting here writting this and you’re reading it, this will come to pass! Our liberty and our Bill of rights, the Constitution all are in serious danger of being eroded to the point
    where once they’re gone they’re gone. The government rarely gives back once it takes. At this point i personally don’t see much hope in our country ever recovering from the assault that it has been subjected to. People are too complacent, well one day when it’s all over and done with these same people will question WHAT HAPPENED? There will be stories passed down of once upon a time there was a
    counrty where people were free and had liberty and the right for the pursuit of happiness etc… but the people gave up their “country” without a fight and now here we are. It’s coming!!!!! Be prepared!!!! Thomas Jefforson said that people that give up their liberties for the sake of security deserve neither.

    • azcIII

      “Those who would sacrifice Essential Liberty, for a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither.” Benjamin Franklin, 1759 I believe. The rest is spot on.

  • http://jerryrayws.blogspot.com/ Jerry

    America has a spiritual problem.

    • beck

      *yes i agree. we have left God out of everything. In addition to writing our state representatives we need to pray to God about all of our concerns. He is still in control of this world.

  • Audrey

    Lisa, I’m with you! Ask if Acorn and if they are, I’ll tell them to go to “Hell.” I already wrote the president (not that he got it cause I’m sure he tells them to throw away all the negative letters) that I would not complete anything for the Census if Acorn was involved. I just don’t care anymore – they can throw me in jail if they want – it won’t do them any good cause I’m not cooperating. I’m a 65 year old woman who is disgusted as “Hell” and I’m protesting!!!

    • Donna

      I’m with you, and besides, what I hear about jails these days, doesn’t sound too bad. A place to live, food to eat, cable tv, recreation facilities. S**t, that’s more than I have right now.

    • Donna Marshall

      Right on, Audrey. First of all, I don’t answer my door. If I see a strange vehicle or
      van on my street, people taking photos or writing down/entering info. I call the Constables. We have a ‘no solicitation’ rule in our subdivision so they don’t need to be here. And, I am not answering their questions either. If I get a form in the mail, I will shred it. Without my signature there is no way they can prove I received it. I agree with most everyone on here. It is time true Americans stand up for our rights before it is too late. By the way, I just turned 66.

      Donna M.

  • Nick

    Two days ago a rather non-descript van parked in front of my home. In fact right off the front door. I approached the vehicle and the middle eastern looking fellow was quite startled and was inputting info into his GPS. He started to take off and I asked what he was doing. He had an foreign accent and said he had to enter info for a home he was looking for. Never thought much about it until reading this alert. HMMM!

  • http://dejazzd.com nobody

    Forreign troops of any kind on American soil , will kick in my swearing of aliegence..This would be WAR against me & my Country ..

  • Ed

    GPS coordinates in the database will make it much simpler to design ethnic majority districts.

  • Dave

    Guys–anyone with your address can find your GPS coordinates within a few feet right now using google maps: maps.google.com. That was implemented with commercially available technology.

    Paranoia like this article only hurts the conservative cause. Let’s get a grip!

    • http://msn Drew

      Dave,

      It is not paranoia if it is real!!! What has happened to our economy is real. The rush to pass as many bills as possible in the shortest amount of time as possible is real. Being overly taxed and then our government squandering that money is real. The fact that our country is becoming economically and morally bankrupt is real. Yours, is exactly the thought process that got us to where we are right now. Don’t be afraid!!! That is what Big Brother wants is for all to be afraid, and then they can come in and rescue us and pass more laws so that we can be secure, all the while slipping the knife into our collective backs. Don’t be afraid to be called paranoid, don’t be afraid to labeled for standining up for what is right and righteous. It is our country and our JOBS to protect it. Hold on to the core values that our founding fathers gave and that is the heart of our Constitution. We need to make our elected representatives accountabe for protecting our Constitution and holding them accountable when they don’t. These are not times of paranoia. These are very uncertain times and times that our country could be changed forever, from which we could never recover.

      • Smilee

        Drew

        Dave was only talking about GPS, you went off on a tangent proving you are paranoid about these uncertain times and our country needs to be changed from what we have experienced over the last thirty years and it will be for the better at least not worse, It takes some time to get back on track, wait and see. Where is you optimism?? There is always hope if you do not succumb to your paranoia.

      • David

        Answering Smilee/answering Drew:
        What is essentially slave labor has been used to undercut our jobs. Many fail to make that connection. I am not exactly sure how to adapt or deal with it myself, but expecting Americans to ‘be aware’ of it enough to undercut themselves creates confusion. The founding fathers used tariffs, and the ‘free’ market should be for FREE people.
        I would also note that while our privacy has been eroded for some time, your home is generic, your front door is specific. If nothing else, this nationwide snoop is meant to intimidate. Or do you think they are just that clueless about our reaction to them?

  • http://barayasarra@msn.com Eileen Barayasarra

    I saw a quote once and I do not remember where. “IF YOU TOLERATE IT TODAY, YOU WILL EMBRACE IT TOMORROW.” Very true! A lady I know came to the USA right after WWII from The Netherlands. When she left, her relatives all attended church regularly, behaved as Christians, dressed modestly, led ordinary and good lives. She went back for a visit last year. Now she is eighty years old and was not prepared for the CHANGES (that word!) that have taken places in Europe. A group of her sisters and their daughters, grandchildren and great-grands were in her sister’s living room. The TV was on with children playing in the floor in front of it. She was horrified to see two nude people having a perverted form of sex on TV. She got in front of it, spred her skirt to cover it, shouted for someone to turn off the set because the children were watching. The entire room full of people laughed at her! “It is NORMAL!” they said- – just something people DO! They made fun of her, said she had quaint, puritanical American values. Even her own elderly sisters joined in the laughter and teasing! They have all EMBRACED it and there is no turning back. It has become NORMAL to them. I can only hope it never becomes NORMAL to my innocent grandchildren here in the USA.

    • FarRightWinger

      Looks like European countries too tired to fight back the judeo-zionist trash. Most of these trash however, come from HOLLYWOOD, the #1 trashcan!

  • http://bobbynorwood@hotmail.com Bobby Norwood

    So many dumb idiots in this country.They voted a Socialistic, Communist Dictator in the White house, and in 4 months has basically bank rupted the US OF A. THIS JERK ISN’T HONORING THE US CONSTITUTION IN ANYWAY. WHY AREN’T PEOPLE MORE UP IN ARMS ABOUT THIS??? GUESS THEY’RE REALLY STUPID . A VERY SAD DAY IN OUR HISTORY .

    • http://none Smilee

      Bobby Norwood

      How does it feel to live in a country were the majority of the voters (your friends and friendly neighbors) are “…dumb idiots…” and “…really stupid…”? does it make you feel lonesome? Have you even ever read the US Constitution? If the Country is basically bankrupt it was already bankrupt when he took office. If there is a really stupid one here I wonder who the really stupid one really is.

  • Teardrops

    People, we all need to flood our reps offices with phone calls, emails, faxes or anyother way you know of to let them all know they will be put out of office if they dont do something about all these sorry bills that BO is trying to push thru congress to pass into law. We, the people, have to let congress know how we want them to vote on these horrendous bills he is letting his background people write up and get passed so that we are being slowly bled to death.
    NO to the pedophile bill, NO to the cap and trade bill, NO to the amnesty bill, NO tothe health bill, and on and on. Just great big NO’s to these lawmakers and let them know they will not have a Washington D.C. address any longer if they vote for these absurd
    things Obama is trying to pass into law.
    People, we HAVE to rise up and let them know what we all want them to vote on or its back home for you buddy. Dont be afraid to use your pc to send them emails, not just one, keep a steady stream going to them. I used to get stock answers from the different ones, but now get “answers” from the man himself. And I get the newsletters sent out by several senators from different states other than my own. Get this and you get an email address to send your complaints to. Learn how to do this, it is easy and working together, we may get some good bills passed up there.

  • Karl Enoksen

    I am very impressed by the way you Americans have started to address the Socialist Obama regime soon after it started. I UK, the English have allowed their country to be demolished by the Scottish MP’s under Blair and Brown and are now just starting to catch on.
    I wish you all the best with your TEA Parties and hope you are a success as you cannot allow this Obama incompetence and corruption to go for a second term.
    Obama talks good but is useless as your leader.

  • http://barayasarra@msn.com Eileen Barayasarra

    They already have us on mapquest. I went out in the street and asked the man why he was taking pictures of every house on our street. He did not answer. I stood in the front yard glaring at him. I do not show up on the pictures. You can see between the houses just as though you were here. He easily erased me. Probably that is what the government plans to do with those of us who do not go along with their plans. Just wipe us off the map!

  • Bluejacket

    You all ask “what can we do about it?” The upcoming election in 2010 is our opportunity to shift the balance of power in Government. Re-elect nobody! The only way to stop BO is to tie his hands and checkbook in Congress. Our American electorate are “sheep”! It’s time for us to do our homework before election. Stop listening to the liberal media, and make informed decisions. Our current state of economy and moral value is an example of putting blind trust in people who we know nothing about. Our schools are teaching PC crap. Our religious freedom is challenged daily and on the verge of deletion. Judges are legislating from the bench. Our borders are dangerously open. We have 12 million aliens who broke our laws and are filling our jails, and draining our social security system. The moral standards of our children are at an all time low.
    All of this, and our government is doing nothing about it. They are more concerned with “global warming”! It’s time to stand up! 2010 is just around the corner. Your vote is a very strong tool. USE IT!

    • Richard Pawley;

      Some good points here. Americans must get off their duff and get involved. Stop letting George do it and now Obama. The truth is they can only do what Congress allows them to do (except for the CZARS who answer only to the president). We pay more for health care than anyone on the planet but we are only 20th to 30th in various indices of health. So health care does need some reform but government run is not the best. The government is mostly responsible for the mess we are in. It is they who suppress the truth about inexpensive things that can keep you healthy and promote the most expensive that often don’t help in the long run. How come we are the only nation on earth that allows big drug companies to advertise (brainwash) on TV. Oh, yes, so does the island nation of New Zealand BUT NOT OTHER COUNTRY in the world….If you don’t like the idea of millions more illegals coming then find out how your representatives are voting and don’t re-elect them. In “The Last Days of The Late Great United States” I mention how Mexico has build a wall clear across their country to keep out illegal aliens. That’s their southern border! Over a million from Ecuador alone have crossed over through Mexico into the US and they believe that the USA is for them alone, not others from Central and South America. I also talk about the one million sex crimes committed by illegals and I don’t care what race or color criminals are. If you don’t like the idea of paying more for electricity then find out how your representatives vote and don’t re-elect them. It was Congress who rescinded the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999 that was passed by in the 1930′s to prevent another Great Depression and it only took the banks a few years to bring about another collapse. This one has only just begun and as I said in 2006 it will make the 1930′s Depression look like a walk in the park. Wake up! Read, get informed, vote. We don’t have a lot of time left. Let you representatives know that they are not representing you. May God help us all, no one else is going to be able to do so. Even the president admits that we are broke but they keep printing money and spending. The biggest tax yet is coming. (Yes, it’s a hidden tax but it IS A TAX) It’s called inflation. The banks want it because they can pay off their debts (they can’t really but they think they can). Me, I like deflation. It means my dollars are worth more. I had a Steak filet dinner for $10 last week and I can’t remember when that quality has been that cheap. Write down this figure: 200% inflation because you will see it and quite likely more, not right away but it’s coming. God bless you. We are going to need all the blessings we can get.

  • http://personalliberty.com Frank

    So, what are we able to do about this?
    Is there something we can do to spoil their results?

  • Jeannette

    Not long after we moved into our new home I heard a knock at the door. By the time I answered the door the individual was walking away. I asked what she was in need of and she stated that she was doing a census but she did not ask me any questions, write anything down. Just say thank you and left.

    If this is going to get a jump on the 2010 census which decides the number of state representatives, but also lets known the number of people who are working, disabled, unemployed and how many children there are in poverty and how many are not in poverty. Then they are not doing a very good job.

    I have lived in 3 states over the past 30 years and this is the same experience with the census that I have had every time.

    Thank you.

  • lisa

    This Is absolutely outrageous! When the census people come to my door I am going to ask if they work for acorn.Acorn is one of the biggest criminal and conspiracy groups ever associatted witht he govt. I am thinking of calling the police and telling them their is a criminal organization at my door. How many people want the mafia to know who they are and where they live? And why does the govt want to know if you have running water? What are they going to ask next? I ‘ll take a guess…dO YOU HAVE ANY GUNS? How many? This is serious people. Don’t answer their questions!!!!!!!!!!! When they ask I might just tell them No habla!!!!!! I don’t plan on sitting by any longer and watching it happen!!!!!
    Lisa

    • Viv From Kentucky

      Lisa, you are so right!
      Neither does the 58 year old grandmother from Arizona plan to stand by and let this go on any longer! Her now infamous “open letter to congress” is circulating throughout the internet and was read on Glenn Beck’s show on Fox this week. According to Glenn, the occupants of the White House will hear it also. I along with millions of others feel her letter will become the voice of all patriots in America. Even the Patriot Depot has published it on their website.
      “We The People” have had enough of Big Brother! If you haven’t read the letter go here, read it, and pass it to all freedom loving Americans you know.
      http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/26742/

      • s c

        RIGHT ON! The woman in Arizona nailed it. God bless her. Thank God, some people actually “get it.” Without a doubt, she has more than enough common sense to replace anyone in the White House or Congress.
        If those yahoos in DC had any backbone, they’d resign. If America had any practical way to get rid of them, this would be a new and better country in less than 24 hours.

      • Mark

        The PERFECT answer to the census is is simply to say “no habla” when they show up.

    • Les Nessman

      Did you see the ACORN CEO on Lou Dobbs last nite. She stated unequivocally that ACORN does not have a contract to work on the census on national TV. So if a census taker shows up at your door and identifies themself as tied to ACORN in any way, tell them to go scratch!!

    • http://www.laceandpromises.com JoAnne

      Well, here’s a story: They came down our street…a short deadend street that has mostly summer visitors..seasonal…plus some Mexican families who speak little English and then 3-4 white families who all live year round and know each other. The lady did not go to any houses except the 4 of us who know each other….and who, by the way, are opening members of a gun club, hunt, shoot and have guns!! We didn’t know what the person was doing….until we read it on the internet. She told me she was from the US Census. She did not show ID. I said, ” Oh I didn’t know it was time for the census”. She said NO…she she just need to get our address and put it in her ‘database’. She asked me if this was my address….and read it off. I asked if I legally had to tell her this and she said YES. I said well, why didn’t you just take it off our mail box….which has our house numbers on it in nice large letters. She says…OH…I have to come to the front door and talk to someone, then enter it into my ‘pocket computer’ here! Of course, we had no idea it was a GPS unit until later. Perhaps she didn’t know what it was either?? I was shocked when I read about it….and then, WHY didn’t we observe her knocking on the doors of our Mexican neighbors….and friends on both ends of our street sat and watched her going all the way down our street, without stopping at all the houses. Certainly makes it SEEM like they could be mostly interested in only certain addresses! Of course, we know we are eligible for Homeland Security’s Domestic Right Wing Terrorist classification on almost all their counts…..Christian, religious, gun toting, conservative, the ‘bumper stickers’….though we’ve removed them….who we voted for….and until last summer…even card carrying members of the Republican Party. So, we’re likely marked for sure….and they’ll need their GPS unit to get through our front door!

      • Joe Hooker

        Early in the days of Clinton’s presidency, the U.N officials held a meeting on “population control” in Cairo Egypt. At which they decided that something like 2/3s of the people in the world need to die in the next few decades to make more room for their agendas.
        Here in America there were two types of people slated for “elimination”! Poor Black city dwelling men; along with poor rural White men! Just because these 2 are the “least controlable” aspects of American society!
        So, don’t be surprised about the hispanic homes not being paid attention to.

    • Valverde

      When they ask if I have running water, I would be tempted to say, “Yes, just stand where you are and I will show you.” Then ask if they belong to ACORN and if they say yes, say “wait a second and I will help you grow.” then pee on them. There’s your running water. Hope you like it, because it has all kinds of nutrients that help ACORNs grow. I heard that squirrels such as Nobama, the Great(?) love ACORNs.

      Also, JoAnne, I can guarantee if they try to come through my front door with their little GPS unit after the census was over and done with, they just might meet up with a big .45.

    • Smilee

      Lisa

      Relax my dear, Acorn is not furnishing any census takers and no one will come to your house if you mail back the census papers and if you don’t mail them your census taker will not be a acorn employee

  • Stephen

    If one were to be familiar with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or have read “Behold a Pale Horse” written by the now silenced William Cooper, you’d be witnessing a proficy coming true. We will be a nation in bondage if we don’t stand for ourselves very quickly. I fear we desperately close to the point where diplomatic and peaceful resolutions are possible.

  • C. K.

    This is 100% accurate!

    A census worker came to my door a few weeks ago with a GPS mapping device in hand.
    I answered the door. He asked if our basement was an apartment (it was before we bought it and still has a house number above the door). I told him no. He punched something into his handheld device. I asked him what he was doing. He said he was just “mapping” the house on GPS. He didn’t ask any other questions before departing. I thought it strange…..

    This morning I come across this article…….

    • Dee Dee

      Yes they came to my home to with the devise, but did not ask any questioins. I thought that was funny. However, People move, and relocate so this will be an obsolete data in no time. The idea of not asking how many people live here or ages was part of the centuries old census. So there data is not complete.
      I think sometimes we Fear everything but FEAR itself

      • David

        The fear is that there is yet another tool to use against the people. A census is supposed to track people, not places. Therefore the funds to do this are misappropriated.

        They don’t really care who lives there. That will be filled in by the census. They want to know the front door location. That is the one they will kick in. A tough event to plan without a location.

      • Paul

        If they take or you fill out all the information will this affect your gun rights ,freedom of speech ,americans with disablities rights ,I wonder if i dont fill it out if they would use leverage on me because 1-i didnt vote there way
        2- im 100% against them
        to”" review”" my disability status

      • http://none Smilee

        They came to my house too. He told me the only reason he was there was to verify that there is actually a house at the address as there are addresses that do not have or no longer have houses and that was the only reason he was there. He said they where using GPS as it required no paperwork. He said the actual census would be next spring. they would mail the census form to this address and if it was not returned then they would send someone out to take a in person census. never asked for anything else including my name. Many of these response were answers to my questions but not all.

  • http://none concerned

    The government is moving from governing to controling all that American’s do. From the kind of lightbulb you can buy to the make of automobile you can drive.

    It is strange that the government demands the removal of regular lightbulbs from sale and now demands that one of the most dangerous products ever forced upon us replace them. The fluorescent lightbulb we are forced to buy is made in China and contains so much mercury that, if broken, require the removal by a hazardous chemical company. It is insane for government to promote Al Gore’s global warming to the extent that if I accidently break a bulb in my congressman’s office, I can be arrested for making a terrorist chemical attack on congressmen, and the entire building would have to be evacuated because of the danger of the very thing congress demands we now use. How stupid.

    • Dee Dee

      *Don’t us the floresent Light Bulbs, I don’t because they put out harmful Emissions No one is twisting* your arm, buy the bulbs you want.

      • http://???? Ann Marie

        I guess you don’t know that they plan on taking all incandescent bulbs off the market soon, which will force us into florescent.

      • jim

        No you can use candles. I do not think Al Gore has any stock in these.

      • Richard Pawley;

        They are not up to par with incandescent bulbs yet but I have a couple of screw-in light emitting diodes (LED) light bulbs in my home. They use only a fraction of electricity that the dangerous fluorescent light bulbs use and while not suitable for all purposes they will last far longer than the fluorescent. I have found that only the fluorescent bulbs made in the USA last as long as they are supposed to and I have used them (carefully) for about three years now. Since thousands of Chinese have been poisoned in their fluorescent factories I’m saving Chinese lives by buying American as well. The smart ones are taking Chlorella tablets to pull the mercury from fish, broken fluorescent bulbs, and amalgam teeth fillings out of their bodies. The LED bulbs I have came from Sam’s Club, are made in the USA, and are the most reasonable that I have found, far cheaper than the Chinese ones sold on eBay. They tend to be more like spotlights but if you can adapt to them they will certainly pay for themselves. With the energy tax that the administration is proposing electricity could go up from 100 to 250 per month more than we are currently paying over the next few years so doing all you can to reduce your consumption of power will save you money. Remember you cannot just throw the no longer working fluorescent bulbs away or you will be poisoning the land and water worse than DDT but Home Depot will accept them for recycling.

      • C. K.

        Some cities have demanded their citizens use ONLY these
        terrible bulbs. When I first heard the greenies going ga-ga over this new bulbs my first thought was, “So, what about all the mercury from them that ends up in all our landfills, then getting into our water supplies. I never heard anyone even bring up the topic until about a year later. And then it has been poo-pooed. Gimme a break!! You just can’t have it both ways……
        Don’t worry though – with all the new regs in the Climate Change Bill that Palosi plans to bring before the House next week; since we humans EXHALE Co2 – we will eventually be targeted for exection for destroying the planet by breathing. It would appear that this is what the greenies desire. Seems the world was a perfect and pristine place UNTIL MANKIND SHOWED UP…… ESPECIALLY THOSE DANGED WHITE EUROPEANS THAT SETTLED AMERICA!! BOY, DID THEY EVER SCREW THINGS UP!!!!!

      • Pat

        I always said the government would find a way to tax the air we breathe.

      • Lovey

        I thought the fight was against CARBON MONOXIDE? These folks need to check with some scientists; without carbon dioxide, no trees, no plants, no food….on and on…!!!

    • http://personallibertydigest Elaine

      I have been wondering if I was the only one questioning the fluorescent light bulb thing. What in the world is their agenda for forcing these dangerous, mercury filled bulbs on us? You can go to any store ( I have) examine every package of fluorscent light bulbs and somewhere in tiny print, I guarantee it, you will find “Made in China”. You may have to search for it – it is small and hard to find in some cases, but it is there. What could possibly be the reason for this mandate? It certainly is not to save electricity and to promote the “green” thing, because those promoting a greener, cleaner earth must know of the horrors and dangers of dumping these light bulbs in our landfills – and you know that is what is going to happen. How long will it be before all our drinking water is contaminated with mercury? Is that what they really want? Makes you wonder doesn’t it. Then, I guess, with our new health care plans, mercury poisoning will not be covered. I cannot for the life of me, figure out the plan behind this. I’m all about saving energy and for saving our earth, but this is the stupidest thing that has come about in the middle of all this madness. Thank goodness for Home Depot for being the only one I know of that has volunteered to be a recycling center for these dangerous bulbs, but what are they going to ultimately do with them? And the government should have figured out how to dispose of them if they were going to force us to use them. All people are not going to be able to go to Home Depot to dispose of them especially the poor and the aged who may not even have a way to get to Home Depot. This whole thing is a disgrace and a fiasco. Certainly no thought was put into this matter before it was mandated. The government has not made enough information available to people concerning the accidental breakage of one of the bulbs either. Most people do not know that you have to be extremely careful of how you clean up a broken bulb, including donning protective clothing, wearing a mask, opening up your house, not touching it without gloves and picking up the broken pieces with duct tape or some similar product. Folks, we’ve been had – again! I’m afraid this is only the tip of the iceberg. What could be worse than mercury poisoning for all of us through our groundwater?

      • http://none gary

        This is just one of the devious parts of their plan to undermine the USA. All the other parts they talk about are as anti american as the terrorists could ever be, in fact we would be safer if we only had to worry about the terrorists. at least then we would be strong Americans. We are being conned by the worst con ever perpetrated against any one country. AS you can see, some of us are not buying it for one minute. USA USA USA.

      • Leith

        Sort of sounds like the same group that mandates these new lightbulbs made the change for digital Television. There is a lot of ones and zeros circling the earth and no place to get rid of your old analog Television sets.

  • Paul

    We the people ,ha ha ha ha ha ha , obaboo and cronies have destroyed this country YES its already gone, to get it back will be a major task,first and foremost there must be a uprising of people that will defend the consitution as written by the founders.

    • Art

      Paul,
      Americans are slow to react; unless they are being physically threatened. When we stand as one and speak as one–the situation can and will change. What is so discouraging, is the people we have elected to represent us ARE NOT DOING THAT. The president is dependent on Congress and the Senate to promote his desires. As,long as this country has a president of a different political party than the Senate and Congress–checks and balance keeps us on a even keel. What is happening in America is a run away train without brakes. The mistake was made November 4, 2008. It’s time to stand up and let those cronies in Washington understand who GAVE them that job to begin with.

      • http://none gary

        Right on. The big O is our largest enemy right now and we sit and do nothing like so many sheep going to slaughter. The muslims say He is muslim which I thought from the beginning. He is a plant. with the ultimate power to tale over everything. Don’t believe it? History will tell as written by the muslims. not U.S.

      • Joyce

        This is so rediculous blaming a president who has only had the office for
        6 months for what is happening. Theses problems started before the Big
        O as you call him. Our enemy is prejudice of people who are not the same
        color or religion or do not dance to our drum. Big O is biracial he is just as white
        as he is black. He is a person and a decent human being not much differant that
        you or me. The war started because George Buch ordered it. The economy
        went down the drain with the invasion of Iraq. When Bush entered office he
        blamed our finacial problems on the Clinton administration who by the way had a record of balancing the budget, which had not happened in several years.
        We became gravely in debt to China within two years of Bushes Presidency.
        President Obama is not Muslim but if he was so what? The United States does
        not have any pure breeds. We are a mixture of all races. My mother always said
        clean your own house before you try to clean another’s. I am not a religious person
        but I belive in “Treat others as we would like to be treated.” Love your neighbor
        as you love yourself. After reading all these comments I know which Party you
        belong to. I am an Independant and vote for the person and not the party.

      • Earlw

        HO Hum! Here we go with the bush-bashing again……Just a reminder, folks, This economic meltdown started back under the Clinton administration and with senator Phil Gramm, who was responsible for the repeal of the Glass-Steagal act Which outlawed Banks selling securities. The bush administration Just neglected by design or ignorance to do anything about it..Then there’s the issue of A corrupt Federal Reserve chairman by his own admission.

        There is plenty of blame to go around for both parties, noot to mention the American people for not being vigilant (lazy).

      • Jane Doe

        So speaketh the Liberal “Joyce”

      • Joe Hooker

        I doubt you’re right. The muslims have tried taking over the world before, but they’ve never been successful. The last time they tried, it took over 700 years to stop them, but they were stopped when the rest of the world finally had enough of their blood thirsty power grab.

      • http://none Smilee

        To Joyce’s replay:

        Joyce

        Thank you for your contribution, its refreshing to read here someone who can state what they want without being rude and making mean and many time inaccurate statements. Thanks again

      • B-Man

        I got news for ya Joyce , You are financially where you are because your way too stupid to have command of anything bigger than what you have now. Thank god your no politician. Stop going to Bush with all your reasons why the new Ass-Hole in office has it so rough. You need to pay attention. This is the worst transitional president this country has ever seen. Un emloyment was under 4% before this jerk took over. It’s pushing very hard at plus 9% now. Oh yeh! His election all by itself shut every investor off and the f—ing fagget Barney and his boys pulled the plug on realestate and killed this countries financial base. Yeh Bush knew about the up-coming possible collaps of the realestate market but if this dumb ass would have just left Investors alone and lifted the taxes on them they could have had a successful investigation of Freddie and Fanny and exposed all the crooked shit those guys have been up to and this country could have still been functioning and people would have been wor through this. Investors, you know, the guys that create ALL the work in this country that trickles down to all the middle class that has small businesses that hire millions of people to work in those companies that pay taxes? Well I got to speak to one of those guys who is in the top 5% income brackets and has thousands working for him and had 16 major projects on his books that would have employed 10 thousand people for the next 5-6 yrs. tell me that because of this guy, the consencis among my peers is consistant, that we are not going to do any of our projects as long as this Dick-tator is in office. I pay 81% of my gross income to taxes and we are done supporting everyone that does’nt want to work and wants a hand out. F/U osama fans. I hope you enjoy living under socialism. I know a thing or two about living under that kind of control. All of you dumb ass anointed one fans have no idea what you just unleashed. Don’t even try to justify this bully. His goal is to take you down untill you’re so deparate you will need him to run your life for you. Incase you did’nt know that’s what dick-tators do. They run every aspect of your life until you can’t dream anymore. You will never get ahead under socialism. Every one is broke and no one can help anyone else because they can hardly take care of themselves. Broke people can’t help broke people. (Or don’t you understand that?) I was able to help over 1000 people become finacially independent. Under this guy none of us will be able to be that productive. Margaret Thatcher said once, “If you teach some one how to make $5.00 on their own, They won’t need the government. Oh and buy the way for over 200 yrs we have never signed any contract with China to be in debt to them until this stupid Bitch Hillary who whent over their just a couple of months ago and for the first time ever in our history she signed our lives away and our federal land over to China if we don’t pay them back plus interest, they can come take our federal land and use it any way they want . What the hell is she doing making decisions like that without a vote from her employer— Us damn it. We didn’t tell her she could do that and no leader ever before her would have ever considered even thinking of signing on with a country as oppressive as China. This is the dumbest bunch of pricks i’ve ever seen running this country. You idiots voted them in and now we probably won’t have and America in another year. Thanks a bunch. Why the hell can’t you people do your homework before voting?

      • B-Man

        Hey Joyce, i got more for ya. Why the hell do you people bring up racialism. I don’t give a damn what color he is, but he must be a citizen of the U.S. A. and he is not qualified to be running our country. He runs around the world like an idiot begging terrorist leaders to forgive us , like you and me did something wrong. The last thing i remember i never deployed any soldiers of sent any missles in the air . Who does he think he is speaking for me to those terrorists? (like they give a shit.) He is weak, stupid and not my president. I also know for a fact, he has spent more than $ 1million covering up his fraudulent birth certificate and they also found his mothers original plane ticket from kenya to America dated two days after he was born. His own grandmother told officials and showed them the ticket. Thats why there are 8 lawsuits going on right now to have the documents brought out. Wow, why won’t he just show the documents? Because he would be removed from office. Hello? He sat for 20 yrs in that racial church having his head filled with garbage an then the first time his wife speaks she says for the first time in my life Im proud to be an American? What the hell was she doing for the first 40 yrs of her life? All his terrorist associations and bullies in Chicago, but Oh he is such a good speaker. That is not qualification for president. He has an agenda and it is not for this country, and all of his actions and lies prove it everyday. He said that he was going to remove taxes to the lower 40% the low income people would get anything they needed. So how’s that going? Where is all the free cars and homes and dental and jobs. Where are the jobs? The fact is the government can’t produce jobs because they don’t create the jobs. We do and we have for 200 yrs. But he has all but destroyed my 23 yr. old company with his tax the f——out of me. Wow what a plan. His agenda is to take this country away from you and me and our $ in the name of power. If his shitstimulas is working so well then why are people still loosing jobs everyday? ” Oh but when I sign the stimulis bill ther will be NO EARMARKS. I will take them out. Ther’s 9000 earmarks in that bill and one of them should stimulate the economy more than anything. $ 80million for a renovation remodel of the Smithsonian Institue. Now that’s going to rock this nation. Dumb ass f——–jerks. We’er trying to save our houses, 2 million out of work and rising, people are hungry and we want to remodel a musium. You idiots voted this crap in office and then you continue to defend him. Get the hell out of my face.

      • http://none gary

        Right on. The big O is our largest enemy right now and we sit and do nothing like so many sheep going to slaughter. The muslims say He is muslim which I thought from the beginning. He is a plant. with the ultimate power to take over everything. Don’t believe it? History will tell as written by the muslims. not U.S.

      • http://none gary

        The above person will have to wait to see where the Big O is taking this good old USA before she can GROW UP! and smell the dirty politics that are destroying our freedoms. Yes bush was off but the Obonination is the enemy of our country, big ugly enemy! Just you wait and see you liberal sweete

      • http://none gary

        Another thing you accuse me of being prejudice you could not be more wrong. His politics are marxist and marx was not black. He ran on change but we do not need Communism with a dictator in order for there to be change. He is already showing his dictator stripe and it has nothing to do with race color or creed. it is outright treachery a foot my dear liberal one. Wake up it may be too late already. He will destroy our country as we have known it. Already is doing it.

      • http://none gary

        Now look Joe any thing like 700 years is total loss for every living american up to our great great grand children and beyond. You don’t really mean to tell me you think any thing would be left of your way of life by the time the BIG O gets done rapping the country do you. Not after four years even, but he plans to be the supreme ruler by then you know. The war is now buddy and don’t anybody forget that. Not a war of guns but of the will to join together to pray hard and that is my last word on the subject

      • C. K.

        Most of the people think he’s great!! They are oblivious as to what is happening. It will be waaay too late before they wake up – IF they ever do. I don’t have a lot of hope that the people will rise in force. They’ve been lulled to sleep – or just don’t give a hoot. As long as they can plop themselves down in front of Survivor or American Idol after a long day’s work – they’re happy. Most really could care less about political things. It’s the ostrich syndrome don’t chaknow!!!!

      • Monika

        I agree that we need to stand up. And we can do it in a very peaceful way – STOP PAYING FEDERAL TAXES. If we all unite and stop paying taxes, Washington will be paralized. But, we ALL have to do it at the same time.

        Other way is to take week off of unpaid vacation.

      • Mark

        The simple problem is that we have reached the tipping point where more than 50% of the voters do not pay taxes and have realized that they can have the government redistribute the wealth of those that do pay taxes to them, at no cost to them.

        As there is a limit to what you can extract from taxpayers before compliance plummets, what you do is print massive quantities of money to wipe out all the savings of taxpayers through hyper inflation…….. as taxpayers are the only ones with significant savings. As you wipe out the savings and self sufficiency of the taxpayers, you make many of them become dependent upon government and make it a matter of survival for the to join the ranks of the dependent class.

        Finally, to insure your permanent majority, you move to grant amnesty, citizenship and voter status to the 20 million illegal immigrants.

        Entreprenuership, self sufficiency and the American dream where hard work and ingenuity got one ahead, are dead.

        Bush sat passively by and watched it happening, the O is busy making it permanent.

        It’s every man for himself and will be from here on out. How to game the government to get ahead or keep wealth will become a popular subject for best selling books.

        The middle class is dead. Most will drop into a lower class. government dependent class. The very smartest and hardest working will either remain in or gain entry to the upper class. Reasonable inteligence and hard work will no longer cut it and I greatly resent that as I can no longer work hard at what I love and do well. I will now have to base all my efforts on tedious study of tax laws and financial outcomes of my choices of activity.

        We are all John Gault, now.

        Time to open the windows and scream “I’m fed up and I’m not going to take it anymore”.

      • Antonio

        you are so right, the train is moving and it will be hard to stop….. the Congress and the Senate, need to be split up so that one party do not have all the power. Remenber, we the Congress ,and Senate is vote on every two years…..

    • Dee Dee

      Paul What are you doing to help? Are you attending a Tea party near you, or an
      912 project?

      • Paul

        Due to my disability I cannot get to many things so within my circle of friends I advise them of the things being done that arent reported in the news and or are put in places like the 8th page way under an ad /example the apology to slave bill was hid like this that is getting voted on Today also giving some of my money to places supporting our rights under the consitution which maybe only a dollarr most of the times
        But the main thing I give Is MY HEART AND LOYALTY TO THE UNITED SATETES OF AMERICA

      • Velcro

        Hail Obama!

      • Lovey

        Don’t you mean “HEIL BO”?!?!?

      • Mirac

        I am quite involved in trying to stop the madness. Go to govtrack.us, there you see exactly what the “regime” is trying to pull on the american people.Heres my observation; THE PRELUDE TO THE GUN BILL to take our guns would be to gather info on each house under the guise of the census, so it is easier to “quell an uprising of radical citizens” even if those citizens are fighting for the laws and rights this country was founded upon!And with this gun licensing, it also labels every citizen as armed and dangerous if you speak up against the con artists ruining this country today! Lot easier to send federal police and/or U N troops into your home under the guise of you are armed and dangerous! The only threat to this nation is the commitee organzer that is in office today, O-BUM! WAKE UP AMERICA!

      • Joe Hooker

        You may have a point.
        But, can you remember what happened when the British miltary came after privatly owned guns here in America?
        A bunch of farmers, shop keepers, preachers, & laborers took on the most powerfull military on earth, & drove the British army into the sea!
        Who says we can’t do it again!!!!!!!!
        Joe

  • Robin from Indiana

    Big Brother just seems to get bigger and bigger!

    • http://www.infowars.com Ricky

      I encourage everyone out there to visit the website – http://www.infowars.com
      Perhaps then you will understand exactly who Big Brother is as well as Obama, and what their true agenda is. Stand up and fight for yourf freedom now while you’re still able.

      • Jeff T

        infowars: A great site for conspiracy theorists, and people who get their hard news from comedians or opinionated left-wingers. I notice the video about how 9/11 was a self-inflicted wound, yup, blame the USA for being attacked by a bunch of losers.

        If people want to protect their freedom, joining the lunatic fringe is not a recipe for success.

      • Valverde

        Why are you so quick to label these people as the lunatic fringe? It seems to me that many of these people have good reason to believe the way they do. Look at what has been done over the last 40 years or so. Slowly but surely our freedoms, and I am talking about real freedoms not license have been taken away. Our economy has been ruined and what used to cost a fraction of a days pay costs a lot more. I was watching a tv program today and they were talking about the Pontiac TransAm costing $3000 back when it first came out. I didn’t buy one because I didn’t need one with my family, but I could have afforded one. It would have been a stretch, but I could have done it. Could anyone buy a comparable car (if such a one existed) with todays wages? No, only the richer people could. I was decidedly middle class (and lower middle class at that) and I know that no one in that position could afford to buy a car like that which would cost $30,000 or more today. So, our economy is ruined. Also, when my first child came along, we had no insurance whatsoever and we paid for the whole hospital bill by ourselves, but 10 years later when we did have insurance (through the company I worked for), we struggled to pay for the bills for my third child. Who knows, maybe the conspiracy theorists aren’t theorists, my friend, so don’t be so quick to judge.

      • Jeff T

        Unfortunately, there are two issues that are not viewed as separate issues.

        Issue 1: The effect of some things going on that are taking away our freedoms.

        Issue 2: The people, events, philosophies that are causing Issue 1.

        I have no dispute with the FACT, and it is a fact, that our economy is a mess, that we are losing freedoms, and that the climate is changing. What I dispute is the reason these things are happening. And when people think that the attack of 9/11 was self-inflicted (as one article here alleges) or that Bush was responsible, or that Cheney was only after oil, or that someone put bombs in the twin towers, all this conspiracy theory and lunacy deflects attention away from the root cause of the problems we are seeing.

        Overpopulation can explain many of the problems, and reasons why we lose freedoms. Lack of religious foundations, nothing to “bind” our society together, a common belief in something bigger than ourselves or our government, loss of a common language, and promoting multi-culturalism, which sounds great, but when people cannot engage their neighbors in conversation because they don’t share a common language, this is a disaster.

        People lack science education, so they buy into Albert Gore’s Global Warming hype instead of focussing on the real science. And because a majority of scientists say they believe this, or that, the lack of knowledge about science leads people to believe that this is how science works. They don’t realize that science advances when theories are proposed, and TESTED with solid evidence, not majority votes. If the majority vote in science were the source of scientific knowledge, the earth would still be deemed flat, and the earth would be the center of the universe.

        I looked a few postings and articles on this site, and found it to be missing really important explanations of our problems, and found instead conspiracy theories.

        This is hardly the starting point to do something productive about our loss of freedom. Instead, focus on our tolerance for gangs in the street, our tolerance for the civil liberties union, a group that is case-by-case destroying the foundation of our freedoms, and our ability to defend our nation. We have lawyers, like John Edwards, winning personal injury lawsuits because he can convince relatively naive jurors with no knowledge of the science of medicine or law, into awarding “victims” large sums of money, most of which ends up on the pockets of the lawyers.

        Why do we keep avoiding the national vote on English as THE language of this country? Why do we encourage teenagers to have children by paying them welfare when they do, so they can setup shop in a place of their own, what happened to society when it said “unwed mothers, well, okay” or “The murdered must have had a bad childhood so it wasn’t his fault that he raped and murdered someone, he needs help.”

        We are losing our freedoms because we have lost our way as a nation and are trying to adopt utopian solutions to concrete problems, using money we don’t have, on programs that won’t work, and fooling voters into electing people with an empty resume and empty suit into which they can pour their own hopes and dreams, until they realize that our elected officials are there to get elected, to have big parties, and to have jobs for life, and the best retirement plans and health care plans, at YOUR expense.

        At this point, I don’t think we can recover as a nation. ACLU has too much power, attorneys are getting ridiculous jury awards, people have children they cannot afford, and we tolerate people who don’t speak our language, don’t adopt our culture (we’re supposed to adopt theirs), and an electorate too gullible and uneducated in the things that matter to be able to make a rational decision. So most voters cast their ballots for the guy that looks good, makes a good joke, or seems slick. Those are the same traits of a successful conman or ponzi scheme promoter.

      • mike

        This is so true!

      • Logan

        Jeff T,

        I have been associated with the intelligence community, sometimes at the highest level, for a quarter of a century. No Arabs were involved in 9/11 – not one. Not even the ones that think they were. 9/11 was an operation that was required by the United States primary creditors – the Rothschild family of London. Now you know where to start.

        Logan

      • Troy

        Are you saying that Bush or the USA were the ones responsible for 9/11? I don’t know your credintials it could be fake for all I know,But if you are saying the USA was the cause of 9/11 You have some serious issues. Maybe you need to go for a cruise with Rosie you know the gay cruise and have a long chat with her. If that is not what your saying SORRY!!

      • JC

        All I’m going on is all the sensible questions asked about 9/11 vs. what is obviously faked. The government pretty much investigated itself and we all know how that works. It seems there are reasonable grounds to have an independent inquiry into events of that awful day. And not saying it is…but if it was…it wouldn’t be the first false flag operation operation run out of DC. Deception is no stranger to the workings of our politicians now is it?

      • Joe Hooker

        You’ve even bought the over population lie?
        Truth is, if every person on earth were packed together all in one place, side by side & front to back, we would barely fill up the county (that’s COUNTY not COUNTRY), I live in!
        Over population has NEVER been a problem, no matter what the clowns in governments tell us. Rather it’s waste & govt. corruption!
        Waste?
        Just the left over food thrown away at restaraunts, would feed the entire world’s swine population! While that’s just the tip of the iceburg!
        Joe

      • Jane Doe

        Speaking of overpopulation (which I happen to believe that we do, indeed have)… Cannot you see it in TRAFFIC, LAND SHORTAGE, RIDICULOUS LINES IN STORES, EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS ‘standing room only’ IN THE DR’S OFFICES AND E.R.’S (which the E.R’s mostly overwhelmed by the MEXICANS), OVERWHELMED ‘HOLD TIMES’ WHEN CALLING A BUSINESS, NOT HAVING ANY PRIVACY WHATSOEVER WHEN OUT IN PUBLIC, THE LAKES, THE PARKS, PEOPLE ARE FREAKING EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!

      • Jane Doe

        Oh, and I forgot…. according to the “Elite’s” perfect population, the entire WORLD wouldn’t be over 500 MILLION. I think we have SEVERAL times more than that! Probably at least 1/3 of them MEXICAN or MUSLIM!

        It is no “Rocket Science” that if the population was greatly reduced that society would be a LOT easier to manage. And resources more plentiful! Not to mention the BREATHING room people would have. As it stands NOW, people cannot even manage to STAY ARMS LENGTH DISTANCE from one another. Out of darn right disrespect of invading one’s personal space I suppose.

        But since we DO have the OVER population problem, I am ALL FOR a “One Child” policy. Maybe TWO, TOPS! Any more than that should be greatly penalized or JAILED for adding to overpopulation burdens. And after that 2nd child is brought into this sorry world- the biological parents will BOTH be mandatory STERILIZED. This may sound extreme, but that’s the ONLY “mandated” Govt. control that I believe in. As I believe in as small a Govt. as possible. But the population issue MUST be dealt with… because MOST people arent going to just voluntarily sterilize themselves. (Especially minorities, Catholics, etc).

      • Launny

        Jeff,
        I agree with everything you say, as far as it goes. I know that no one wants to believe their own government could be involved in killing its own citizens. However, its not like it hasn’t happened before. History is full of false flag incidents to create a situation, as the Hegelian Theory postulates, to be able to offer a solution the powers that be want to implement anyway. I don’t know who was involved in 9/11, but I do know that over 700 scientists and engineers know that those towers did not fall down by themselves and want a real investigation. Washington, whether it is Bush, Obama, or anyone, will give it to them or any of us. Why? Don’t tell me that it has already been done, as the first investigation is a fraud, condemned even by one of the investigators. I think we have to start with the premise that our government doesn’t believe they exist for the nation, but that the nation exists for them. I may not like the truth that I learn of, but I agree with Patrick Henry. Just give me the real truth anyway and I will deal with it.

      • Jeff T

        The replies to my post, including claims that scientists don’t believe the towers fell due to the reasons given by the designer, architects, etc., proves my point. And to blame the Rothschilds or some other group for inciting 19 people to hijaack aircraft is also ludicrous.

        It’s not about Arabs, it’s about Islam, the interpretation of their religious beliefs that incite hatred toward non-believers, infidels, etc., not some other force in the world.

        And yes, overpopulation is responsible for many problems, including deforestation, disease, hunger, unrest, mass murder, etc., and ultimately, if people believe humans are responsible fossil fuel burning (and burning forests, and raising animals that emit biogas, etc) then clearly fewer humans would mean less manmade pollution.

        But the responses to my post provide more evidence than argument that my original analysis of this site was accurate. It’s one thing to believe in events, it’s quite another to come up with foolish explanations of the kind I’ve read here.

      • JC

        The idea that you could accept “verbatim” what was presented as the “official” story is also ridiculous. There has been testimiony from eye witnesses that there was no plane wreckage in Pennsylvania. No bodies, nothing. Described as a garbage dump set on fire.
        Or how about the explosions in the basement of the towers “before” the planes hit? And why do we see only one piece of film of the Pentagon taken from one camera only, when there were hundreds of cameras in the vicinity? There’s no question that somebody is hiding something. And based on how open, honest and moral the government actually is…I have some suspicions.
        Oh and let’s not discount the sudden and ridiculous expansion of government… you know, into pretty much a Nazi state, for our own good, of course. I have a feeling that we won’t be truly secure until we are bound and gagged.

      • LAConfidential

        While what MAY happen may be defined as theory, events leading up to this point are not. History is filled with facts, dates, places, and names. Events have taken place that have been documented. These are called facts. You might want to change your terminology to conspiracy FACTS. Hopefully, the suspected outcome of the chain of FACTS will not leave you suffering the consequences, but don’t count out the boy scouts for ‘being prepared’.

      • Jeff T

        Suffering the consequences? Geez, now it’s getting really weird.

        How about the FACT that the architect of the buildings clearly described the limits of the construction technology of the towers. The entire support for the floors was provided by the external steel, to avoid using up floor space with the alternative “concrete with steel reinforcement” columns that support most “steel and concrete” buildings.

        The folks in the various fire departments in NYC also knew that steel softens in the heat, and many knew the structure would probably collapse, given the loss of some of the external support as it was taken out by the jumbo jet, coupled with the enormous quantity of jet fuel, and the fact that aluminum (also in the aircraft) burns VERY hot (another fact if you look this up).

        The problems I found on this site relate to an apparent lack of science knowlege, a willingness to believe that Bush, or Cheney, or CIA, or someone wanted to start a war, etc., or Rothschild, or some other world conspiracy group would arrange for 30 muslims to board aircraft and run them into various buildings they see as hitting the great satan.

        I have no idea who “LAConfidential” is, or who he/she thinks he is, but I don’t plan on calling conspiracy theories “facts” or the lack of science education, or building design knowledge, or lack of materials knowledge to justify tossing around ideas that amount to sheer nonsense, claiming it is factual. The only reason it appears to be “factual” is a reliance on the ignorance of those who read these “facts” and WANT to believe them, to help them explain what they don’t understand.

        Good luck with the conspiracy theories, and lack of solid knowledge, it is clearly having an impact on some, but not me.

        I’ve unchecked the “notify of follow-up comments” so if I don’t respond to yet another foolish post, it’s only because this is simply not worthy of any more time.

      • James W

        What about the core of the twin rowers and the angle cuts of the 4″ thick steel columns which need to be over 2300 degress instantly and can only be accomplished with Thermite or Thermate charges? They don’t tak about that in the investigation. Also, the fireball was reddish orange and went out almost right after the planes hit. Also, what about all the fireman and policeman who reported explosions just before the buildings went down and the squbbs you see going off as the towers fell. A pancake collapse would take almost 2 minutes and does not take into acount the collapse of the core with it’s 42 steel columns, whereas the Towers fell in about 10 seconds, impossible without a controlled demolition. The BBC did an excellent program on these facts from a non biased wiewpoint. It’s called 911 Mysteries. It just presents facts for everyones review. A healthy distrust of government is good as history shows power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
        As far as overpopulation, you don’t give The Lord enough credit for making a planet that can handle as many as 20 billion people. We make ourselves out to be much greater than we are and God much less than he is. We may have some effect on things but you will always see God’s creation overcoming those affects in a realtively short time. Look at the Exxon Valdeze accident, that area is pretty much completely recovered and, at one time Lake Erie was so polluted you could smell it from 5000 feet up. The only way man can completely devastate the planet is to blow up the nuclear arsenals of the world at one time and even then, the planet would recover, although it would take quite sometime, although the Bikini islands have recovered , but people still live there at their own risk only from eating the local fruits which still have high levels of plutonium from the soil.
        I agree with you on most of everything else you say, and we were a republic. We are now a democracy bordering on a Police State and dictatorship. Our apathy has brought us to this point, our lack of trust in God and doing our part as Born again believers in Christ in getting the Gospel out and changing hearts is moving us farther down the road to destruction as a nation. We don’t vote morals, we vote our pocketbooks or who has the best lines. When the righteuos rule, the people rejoice, when the wicked rule, the people mourn. We are getting what we deserve, and God will soon judge this nation as he has done all nations who turn from him throughout history. Our Founding Fathers fled from the very thing we have created. They would be greatly saddened to see what we have done with the gift they, with the help of the Lord, have given to us!

      • Eric Bischoff

        Jeff T
        Don’t be so scared. Have you no courage? Can’t you face the truth no matter how scarry it is. I know, they would never do that to us!

        There is now ample evidence, unfortunately who cares when it’s after the fact, but still evidence that the events that finally pushed the public to support going to war have all been manufactured and untruthful. Things like the Incubators for Gulf War 1, the Gulf of Tomkin incident, even Pearl Harbor. And that ‘s what they count on, no one will care when they find years later. But that is the pattern. And that is the playbook they are using. War is our biggest business, it trumps all others and it seems that’s all we know.

        Your facts are a little off. There are more scientists and experts raising unanswered questions which you would think would be important to know.

        Like who shorted the airlines’ stock. Why are we not allowed to know the answer to this? You would think that would be important.

        Or why can’t we see the radar tapes from that day.

        Did you ever wonder how it was possible to have a huge document like the UnPatriotic Act ready and distributed in such a short amount of time? So then who wrote it and when and why? It wa so big that no one read it before they voted on it and yet they were all pressured to vote for it. Or else be labeled as anti american. Well we all know how courageous our politicians are.

        Unfortunately the 911 report poses more questions thean it answers. And some of the answers are just ludicrous.

        Isn’t it amazing how they found hijackers passports intact very quickly so that they could identify them all the while you are all arguing how hot the fire was that melted steel and the airplane.

        I don’t know who you are following or reading but there are many experts who have gone on the record about the temperature of the fire from jet fuel and how it could never be hot enough to cause that kind of damage. But traces of another explosive found in many areas could.

        There are many, many documentaries which unfortunately are not allowed on the air or in theaters. Why is that? I thought we had free speech?

        Why would you destroy a crime scene by immediately selling the beams to the Chinese to be recycled? Why was that allowed and for what purpose?

        Many experienced commercial pilots of these airplanes claim that it would have been extremely difficult and more than likely impossible for inexperienced pilots to pull off those maneuvers.

        We could go on and on and we should tear it all apart, openly, publicly and on prime time.

        It is so easy to just shut down any discussion by quickly using the conspiracy theory nut job argument. How convenient.

        An open mind with logic and common sense paints a different picture.

        I am sorry but your claims of lack of solid knowledge and facts only proves one thing and that is your own ignorance on the subject.

      • MIKE

        Well I guess JEF. T is just another one who has been watching to much TV. 911 was caried out by the MILITARY Indusrial Complex,and defence contractors, its a false flag operation ,not to mention one of the bigest scams in our countrys history. Why dont you investigate for your self before you start going around calling people names like a child.Stop listening to the BS the media is trying to sell you. Time is running out,wake up now before its to late. infowars.com. The OBAMA DECEPTION is a great movie gogle it and watch for free.

      • Aman

        JEFFT,

        You posted your comment awhile ago but I want to give you something to think about. I’m sure that we can all agree that on that particular day our hearts went out to the victims and their families. Maybe you made a donation to a 911 foundation,(which by the way still keeps me wondering), but here’s the question. Why did the US government feel that it was necessary to give the suvivor’s of the victims one million dollars? And without any actual basis. That’s tax payer money by the way. And by the way, for those who accepted the funds they first had to sign a waiver agreeing not to hold the US Government accountable.Now ask yourself this; If the country was under attack and the enemy successfully launched the element of surprise, which they did, how is the US to be blammed? This is only for starters and to give you something to think about.

      • JC

        Interesting angle Aman. Hadn’t considered the “guilt factor”.

      • JEFFT

        Aman,

        So you think the US Government caused the attack, or was part of it because a bunch of people in government decided to give your tax money to victims?

        A waiver is quite standard when people get money for most everything. In order to have a “contract” there must be an exchange of values of some kind (called consideration, a fundamental and necessary part of any contract). The people get money, and in exchange for money they agree not to sue the government (and anyone can sue anyone else for anything).

        Not holding the government responsible could be not holding the government responsible for building construction codes, or police protection, or fire protection, or national defense against a bunch of Islamic lunatics from Saudi Arabia hijaacking aircraft and flying them in US air space.

        Instead of focussing on 9/11 goofy conspiracies, why not focus on the real events of today, in which this liberal/democrat controlled government is spending our way into oblivion, and taking away our freedoms, while all you people stroke yourselves about how the Bush Administration did this, or did that. People got all upset about monitoring phone calls between the USA and foreign countries known to aid or be the home base for terrorists, yet they say nothing as the Obama administration arranges to raise your taxes through high fuel costs, dictating what sort of light bulbs you can use in your home, etc. ad nauseum.

        The real Government Conspiracy is being run by the Democrats like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and the buffoons in charge of monitoring our banking system like Barney Frank, and Chris Dodd. There is the conspiracy that you 9/11 conspiracy theorists should really focus on.

        Pay attention to the real conspiracies, and stop worrying about made up BS put out there by those with Bush Derangement syndrome, a president, by the way, that warned about the banking problems in the first 3 months of his administration in 2001, and the democrats thwarted every effort to investigate Freddie Mac and Fannie May.

        The real conspiracy is what the Democrats are doing to the USA.

      • JC

        Considering how well informed and articulate you seem to be, I’m surprised you haven’t tied it all together yet.

      • Earlw

        As someone who has followed national/international geopolitics for at least the last 20 years, I can say in a large number of instances Alex Jones has been accurate. and no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. History is a great teacher, if you bother to learn it. anyone that thinks there aren’t a lot of devious plots afoot hasn’t been paying much attention. I’m not going to take you by the hand and explain it to you, find out for yourself….Try to debunk some things with provable facts. And by the way, Factcheck.org is financed by the Annenberg foundation, and finds facts they like. ditto for Snopes…I’m 65 and an independent voter, so don’t even bother with the party crap!

      • Ginger Lymbery

        I certainly intend to as I am not going to answer most of their questions.
        All they need is my address, my name and how many people live in this
        house.

      • KayCee

        As far as I am concerned, they do not need your name. Just how many people live at a given residence–not even the address.

      • Joe Hooker

        I think they also have the authority to ask about your race (even though that’s not suppossed to matter any more).

      • JC

        If they ask about your race tell them you are a Jedi and only one being in your present form. Try wearing a wet towel and a bad wig while you do it. ;-) Nothing about your life is ANY of their business.

      • http://none Carl

        Hay Ricky, Despite the fact that big brother is now in Texas sipping
        beer, or what ever, give us a little more details about how to stand up and fight for your rights, other then lip service.

      • Launny

        One thing everybody can do is quit voting the status quo. There are no real differences between Republicans and Democrats. Vote the Constitution Party, or the Libertarian Party. Don’t automatically assume they can’t win.

      • mabel vassar

        Yes! You are right, Alex is the one to watch!

      • HoosierDONK

        heck lady are you crazy… inner city people are not going to agree with you, lower middle class are not going to agree with you, middle class is falling fast, we’re not going to pay attention to you. some upper middle class to upper class (movie stars etc) are not going to listen to you. lady ain’t that many people left. upper middle class conservative extremist and upper class conservative extremist. you have all the money. you control all the money and reckon the rest of us are tired of it.

    • Dee Dee

      Hi Robin;
      Here in Washington we are fighting Stormwater and we have no rain. 1.2 inches per month per year, but the Stormwater TAX is going to put buisness’s out.
      WE are fighting, and have a good group formed thru our Tea parties.
      Yes they are coming with Taxs from all directions. make sure you are knocking down the door of your Representatives. Please Fight for your rights.

      Dee Dee

      • Ginger Lymbery

        Cool. In East Texas, we are having a big TEA Party on July 4th. We need to work hard to change the face of Washington in the election of 2010.

      • Dee Red

        There are several teaparties in E Texas on the 4th. We need numbers, big numbers at all of them to let the naysayers know we aren’t going away. Fight for our constitution!

      • debra

        Hey DeeDee..guess what? In Greensboro NC they charge a fee every month on your water bill called rain water run off and it has to do with the size of your roof. Now how does the water dept. know the size of your roof? They got the info on the square footage from the city tax dept on file in the computers!!

    • HoosierDONK

      Sorry to Bob Livingston for crashing his comments section but I’m sorry I can’t read all this stuff with out saying something. it is america still right? i can be different?

      Robin when big brother wasn’t watching you people robbed the country. Come on the top level of society was passing around millions of dollars in individual bonuses.

      Corporations with these top level social players at the helm were taking in unbelievable amounts of profits. Other top level players were running schemes to rob the public. Top paid lobbyist bribed our elected officials helping to hold the status quo as long as possible so every thing possible could be skimmed off the top. All the while us hard working middle class people worked fifty, sixty hours a week just to make it from one paycheck to the next. I won’t even go into all the rest of the problems of a normal american these days.

      You know the more I think about it the more I realize how much I hate you people. I despise you. If this country goes the way the conservative christian wants it to go then twenty years from now our streets will be like that of Iran’s. I will be on the front line taking out my years of anger on you.

      That wasn’t to nasty was it? I have to always try and keep a lid on that white trash that burns inside me.

    • Carmen

      And we do nothing about it

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