How about the 170,000,000 people killed as a result of the gun control you advocate? Ask the Jews of the second world war why they didn’t have guns to defend themselves.

hey rodin, where do you think criminals get their guns, at WalMart??? No, from the criminal element from down South, or from the thugs in government….Do you think time will solve that??? Man, get a life..

Zip it! Move to Cuba!

I am smart enough not to vote these Democrat crooks back into office, so they can enhance their power to pay for their luxurious lifestyles, and these politicians still want to put me under their control.

For those Democrats who still rely on your Welfare checks, you should appreciate the Republicans who are smart enough to keep these Democrats from taking people’s money; Democrat politicians think they have earned it just because they are representing you.

Maybe you should have your right to free speech lifted! You are so much in favor of wanting to destroy others rights that if your rights were lifted then you would scream like a pig caught under the gate. You are one that has your nose in others business and no sense of the real world because you live in a vacuum. You are the type of person that wants to take the USA down and then when that happens and the Utopia you thought you helped create turns out it is not what you thought then you realize what a stupid moron you were! Then the ones such as us that beleive in the Constitution will still be in control of our lives! You will run up crying about how your rights have been stripped and how we should help you! But I know who those peolpe are in my Neighborhood! They will be left to fend for themselves! I will not show them no pitty! They are the ones trying to destroy our freedoms! SO to HELL with them I hope they rot with all of the other LEFT WING LIBERALS that want to tell everyone here in the USA how to live and act as long as it does not affect their lifes. Get a life RODIN! People like you are the reason the world is in this shape and you probably have been allowed to breed and corrupt your offspring. That is what scares me! SO when the Revolution starts I hope to run across you face to face and see you with your stick or club because you were too stupid to understand. I will not protect your kind! I will allow your kind to parish so that we may cleanse the world of such fanatics as yourself!

No, but maybe some administrators, janitors, teachers. All it took was one, and many of these kids would be alive today. Your read on the logic is twisted, and Im wondering if your twisted also.

I think the same thing Mark. He’s got his head so far up osama’s ass he can’t see
the plain truth in front of him.

rodin: How do you propose to protect yourself should some criminal confront you with a gun and threaten you and your family?
STOP OR I’LL CALL THE POLICE BAD GUY! Or maybe give him a hug because he can’t help being a criminal and drug addict.

Mark, your case shows the real lolgic of “non-violent” crimes and punishment.

I prefer the weight and feel of the Beretta 92FS/M9.

Mr. Prasuhn. Mark in Indiana here. God Bless people that think clearly like you do. Hand guns in the hands of responsible citizens like you, are a great deterrent to the criminal element, whether it is them knowing there is a chance the homeowner might have a gun, or whether by chance you have your gun and come upon someone committing a crime where a gun is needed in a responsible hand to stop it, or contain it until the police arrive. I dont own a gun, never have, and maybe I never will, but I fully support the right you have to own a gun, to carry a gun, and to use that gun to carry out righteousness. I guess I dont understand the left wing liberal pacifist appeasers that want to weaken us with every little thing, one after another. I mean, just because they want to be like little girls and pee in their pants and suck up to our enemies who want to kill us, doesnt mean we all are wimps. Unforturnately many of these pants wetters have made it into high politcal positions, and their stench puts a stain on all of us Americans. They have it all backwards. If you look through the history of the earth, peace has come as a result of force, not as a result of lets sit down and Ill listen to you tell me lies. These bastards are dangerous, and there will come a time when we will all need people like you with your guns to keep us from being overrun. I thank you for being a good strong American, and having your head on straight.

SSG Prasuhn I concur and I repeat, gun control is hitting what you aim at!

Rodin see my previous reply, illegal criminals don’t care…..to them you are a sheep with no way to defend your family. As I stated earlier the police can only act after you call them:

Criminals will not allow you or family members to make that call
During PD response time the crime is committed anyway
Police arrive after the fact
You pick up the pieces afterwards

It is called COMMON SENSE Rodin!

Rodin, you really believe that?
I just think you are afraid of guns.

Rodin, if you had a .38 within close reach, and somebody was raping your wife would you use it?

If some monster was molesting your child, would you use it?

If God forbid, YOU were being brutely RAPED, {prison style}…..really think about it.. would you use it?

What would you do against home invaders? Allow them to do whatever they wanted to your children? You have a responsibility to ensure their safety.

The Hurricane Katrina disaster has shown us that those who survived, were those who had some degree of self reliability. Those who perished, perished waiting for the government to rescue them. Its recommended that you call the police if you can during a crime, but while waiting for them to show up, you will need to be self reliant.

If you have the means to stop a crime, and you choose not to, then you live with the unfortunate results, no complaining.


People with Rodin’s veiw I just think, have never really thought this through, or have never had to deal with violent crime. Rodin is certainly well within his rights to dislike guns. Thats a personal choice, I just hope he understands that not everyone feels that way. Its fine, so long as he is not trying to destroy the RIGHTS of others.

Oh and Rodin, you stated that you would be even safer without the rest of us having guns. Not true.
Unless you believe that everyone writing in this forum is a bunch of violent criminals.

Law abiding gun owners don’t commit crimes involving guns.

Your kneejerk hatred for guns, {if I am reading you correctly} is based on the actions of CRIMINALS. If guns were bad, then those in law enforcement wouldn’t have them.

You need to be your own personal cop, and protector of your family. The very fact that criminals have guns is the number one reason for the rest of us to have guns. You are even less likely to be a victem of a gun crime if the criminal knows you are armed. Its a deterent. Not too many cops get mugged or car jacked. There is a reason for this. LOL!

I really wish you would not blur the lines that seperate CRIMINALS from law abiding gun owners. Thats so typical of the anti gun crowd. They blur the lines, and paint everyone the same color. Criminals and law abiders, its all the same to them. Thats just not being intellectually honest. They do this because they HATE first, think second.
Take the emotion out of the gun debate.
Please.

George

Unlike the gun proponents, arguments for gun control are less emotional… they’re based on cold hard statistics.. Societies in general are SAFER with gun control measures…. less people die…

Sorry if my arguments sound hateful… they’re not meant to be hateful… they’re meant to take ALL the rhetoric out of it. For instance…. if you argued that guns in the hands of the public stopped criminals from using guns in crimes, then I’d want to take a look at the statistics of gun crime in the US and compare it against gun crime in the rest of the world. If you argued that guns actually stopped a rape, then I’d want to understand how many crimes were actually stopped by somebody with a handgun and compare that with the number of increased accidental deaths because the handguns were more accessable.

AT the end of the day, the numbers prove that society in general is safer with gun controls, REGARDLESS of the fact you have criminals. I can’t say it any more dispassionately, but please look at the numbers. You’ll find the emotion is actually on the pro-gun side. FEAR is the driving force.

rodin i was thinking ignorant, not so much hateful. there’s an interesting picture floating around the net, i’ll put the link here for anyone curious, that illustrates everything wrong with overbearing gun control.

http://rudd-o.com/uploads/2008/06/1214507617361.jpg

No Rodin, your comments don’t sound hateful.
Its tough to find real science these days, as science has become politicized. Polls and stats are often manipulated to control the outcome by a vested interest.
Global Warming is a prime example. The data is totally manipulated. I bet if I were to get some stats from the NRA I would find that gun crime is down in states where there are looser gun laws.

Well I guess Rodin, if I am truthful, I realize that both sides of the gun debate get emotional.

Again though, if someone was raping or stabbing your wife, and you had a gun on your person, would you use it? You cannot argue that guns are effective at stopping cold a crime in progress.

I once caught a burgler in my home in the 90′s when I lived in the city. I had to chase him for a quarter mile and physically beat him with my fists in order to subdue him. After that, I held him until the police showed up. He was arrested and charged. I would have been a whole lot safer if I had a gun. If I had a gun on me, I wouldn’t have risked getting stabbed. I walked away unharmed, but it could have turned out worse. Thats one more criminal off the street. Do you think he’d come back to my house? You cannot make it easy on these people. When it comes to crime, I do not believe in a fair fight.

My cousin was attacked in a Tennessee parking lot by 3 knife wielding thugs. She is a devout Christian. By some miracle, as 2 of them attempted to stab her, and she prayed out loud for protection, not one knife blade penetrated her. As the third thug yelled “Harder! Harder!”, the 2 thugs with the knives seemed confused as to why she would not bleed. This story is an incredible one, and my cousin was invited to go on the Maury Povitch Show and retold her story.
Most of us would not be that lucky. A handgun in her purse would have ended that bad situation quickly.

I am in favor of criminal background checks. Thats just common sense.

Its also a fact that more people die each year from perscription drugs than they do in accidental shootings.

I know lots of people with guns, and not one of them has any intention of using them to commit any crimes.

Where I live now, I am safer owning guns. Wild animals are a potential threat, and I am glad to have a gun if I need it. Crime is just about nonexistant here, but there are other threats. Me and my neighbor measured 5 3/8 inch tracks that came right up to his window at his house. He has 2 little girls, and they play in the yard. You get between a mother bear and her cubs, you will find yourself in real trouble. Guns are just a smart idea for some of us.

Obama hates guns. Obama grew up in the City of Chicago. His idea of guns are that guns are used by criminals to commit crimes. He has no clue, no first hand experience living on the outskirts of society. He does not know whats best for me.

Guns will never be eradicated. If we try, only law abiding people will comply. That alone will give criminals an upper hand.

I agree with you that society is safer with certain gun control measures, such as the criminal background check I mentioned eariler. Proper training is not a bad idea either. I don’t want an unstable nutjob freely buying guns anymore than you do.

But the heart of the discussion is that we have a Second Amendment Right to keep and bear arms. The founders determined that “Rights” came from God, not the government. The government gives “Privileges” not rights.
And that right shall not be infringed.
Shall not be infringed.

Rodin…the only thing you should follow are the steps to the NUT HOUSE! Your logic is up in space somewhere.

Most other countries have fewer murders because they have less people. DUH. There is a higher rate of break-ins (or burgleries) while the people are at home in England. Why? Because the criminals are not worried about comming face to face with an armed victims. In this country the rate is higher for UNoccuppied homes.

Go to school and learn what “rate” means. I assume you flunked out of grade 3 when they started talking about %ages. Typical bucktoothed hillbilly that wants to have a gun. Scary world I live in.

If minimum IQ tests were the standard for gun ownership, there’d be no more guns.

is it just me or does rodin sound like a rabid liberal? again, i’m saying this as a democrat myself, amazing how disjointed the democratic party has become when hating guns is our primary campaign issue.

Dear Mr Rodin, I can at least spell percentages. I am neither “buck toothed” or a “hillbilly”. Quite the contrary, my IQ is higher than the sitting president. I also know that gun crime is way up in the United Kingdom, with drive-by shootings and all. Yet they have draconian gun laws. The problem there is that only the bad guys and some of the police have guns.

Statistics prove that crime rates are higher in areas the have strong gun control.
The only gun control I believe in is “hitting what you aim at”!

Gun Control ?
The number of phycians in the U.S. is 700,000
The accidental deaths caused by phycians per year is 120,000
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.

The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000 !
Yup that is 80 million !
The number of accidental deaths by guns, all age groups is 1,500.
Statistics, courtesy of FBI.

So statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

Fact : Not everyone has a gun but : almost everyone has at least one doctor.

Horizon3, don’t mess with people’s heads with straighforward use of numbers. Many people are so set in believing statistics (lies) that the truth just scrambles their thought process!

Hey, Horizon3…

Your statistics are more accurate than you think.
Very good… the U.S. government and its agencies (and doctors) kill more
people without giving it a second thought.

Get real… the only difference between free men and slaves is the last bastion of
liberty: The to carry and bear arms. Take that away, and you will see how
quickly our U.S. federal criminals will take over !!

I’ve heard it before, but still Love it!

RED

Nobody has to have a gun. That’s 1500 people that died needlessly.

With that statement, nobody needs a doctor or a car or an airplane or even maybe war.
Makes sense to me! NOT!

i agree 100% rodin, and if i could carry a police officer around with me, i would not need a gun

I don’t know where you get your statistics; regardless, our constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms. Nobody is forced to keep a gun in their home, or forced to pay for a conceal permit. Your argument is not a rational argument. I have never liked guns. They scare me. However, I am a natural born citizen and it is my right, granted to me by the constitution to own a gun if I so choose. And the way things are going in this country, I think I am ready to learn how to use a gun and apply for my conceal permit. I hope they win this lawsuit in California. Those people who are not following the letter of the law need to be voted out of office!

Robin, look into the town of Virgin Utah. Every citizen, all 250 of them are to have a gun in the home for protection. It is the town law and they have NO crime.

Same goes for a town called Kennesaw, Georgia, to my best recollection.

Also, the Constitution is being subverted by these government criminals and their proposed New World DisOrder…

Why can’t they just let the people be… when left alone, without oppressive laws, the people can take care of themselves pretty darn good, despite this NeoCon thinking to the contrary. Don’t believe a word this corrupt government says.

I don’t know where yoyu live, but my “permit” cost me $20.00US per year.

I think you are highly mistaken if you believe that the bill of Rights gives us the right to keep and bear arms. The Constitution and its’ amendments are there to safeguard our GOD-given rights and to affirm our God -given liberties. Neither the congress or any state or federal institution is empowered to take away or midify those rights. The abrogation of those rights is a direct violation of the intent of the framers of the Constitution.

rodin??? ban All Firearms and the U.S. will be safer?? what the &#@* are you thinking. The Two safest countries in the World are Switzerland and Iseral, both have Manditory citizen arming eg: A Standing Militia. If we disarm our citizens only criminals, police and military will have protection (guns) Oh by the way guess where our founding Fathers got their idea for a standing Militia, from the Swiss!

Your analogy isn’t per capita. The United States has 330,000,000 people. Most countries only have populations of our large states.

Canada has 30 some odd million people and on a per capita basis a minisucle %age of the US experience of gun based deaths.

Canada has 4.9 deaths per 100,000 and the United states has 4.2 per 100,000 population.

You lying f!@#!@ing piece of s!@#. Look up the stats instead of spouting lies. Here’s numbers from the CDC.

Gun Deaths – United States Tops The List

The United States leads the world’s richest nations in gun deaths — murders, suicides, and accidental deaths due to guns – according to a study published April 17, 1998 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the International Journal of Epidemiology.

The U.S. was first at 14.24 gun deaths per 100,000 people. Two other countries in the Americas came next. Brazil was second with 12.95, followed by Mexico with 12.69.

Japan had the lowest rate, at 0.05 gun deaths per 100,000 (1 per 2 million people). The police in Japan actively raid homes of those suspected of having weapons.

The 36 countries in the study were the richest in the World Bank’s 1994 World Development Report, having the highest GNP per capita income.

The United States accounted for 45 percent of the 88,649 gun deaths reported in the study, the first comprehensive international scrutiny of gun-related deaths.

The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows:

* U.S.A. 14.24
* Brazil 12.95
* Mexico 12.69
* Estonia 12.26
* Argentina 8.93
* Northern Ireland 6.63
* Finland 6.46
* Switzerland 5.31
* France 5.15
* Canada 4.31
* Norway 3.82
* Austria 3.70
* Portugal 3.20
* Israel 2.91
* Belgium 2.90
* Australia 2.65
* Slovenia 2.60
* Italy 2.44
* New Zealand 2.38
* Denmark 2.09
* Sweden 1.92
* Kuwait 1.84
* Greece 1.29
* Germany 1.24
* Hungary 1.11
* Ireland 0.97
* Spain 0.78
* Netherlands 0.70
* Scotland 0.54
* England and Wales 0.41
* Taiwan 0.37
* Singapore 0.21
* Mauritius 0.19
* Hong Kong 0.14
* South Korea 0.12
* Japan 0.05


If you’re going to come on a site like this be real prepared to be called if you lie through your F!@#ing teeth. Go home to your trailer.

Hey Liberal rodin. Why don’t you check the more recent stats of 2004. But just like a typical Liberal you just go into a rant and twist the facts to suit your agenda. But just for the record, gun laws don’t stop criminals from having them. That’s why they’re called criminals. They don’t give a damn about your Liberal guns laws.

as a democrat myself i disagree. rodin is not twisting facts because he is a liberal, and he is certainly not a typical democrat, in my experience. he’s twisting facts because he’s a troll, and a gun hater. again, i type this as a democrat myself, just so the radical left wing trolls here understand my point of view.

Robin,
Obviously you have not looked at other countries statistics on violent crime since gun control has been complimented. Besides, statistics are so easily manipulated. Just look at England, ask the people there if gun control has helped. And finally I would like to ask you, as a concealed wepon permit holder, just what part of the Second Amendment don’t you understand?

Criminals do not obey the law, they are criminals. You disarm the American Public, (which will never happen) and you give free will to the criminal element. No thank you, I will keep my gun, and if anyone enters my home with a gun, hell bent on doing harm to my family…they will not make it 5 feet before I kill them where they stand. If by some travesty of justice gun control in implemented, I will be a criminal, because I will never give up my only means of defending my family.

Dana

Dana has it right. I have traveled several countries and have seen reports of violence. The countries that have gun control by government only causes guns to be held away from the people. Those are not the only weapons available. In most foreign countries the knife or club is the favored tool. Also it should be stated that such crimes are only reported locally. The crimes committed are also related to ECONOMIC conditions. A gun can be acquired in many ways and a lot of rifles, handguns and knives are produced in foreign countries. Personal defense by any means is morally acceptable
and government cannot provide the assurance without a fee, license or legislation that benefits government. And then such assurance would be sub-standard. Can you trust YOUR government ?? I think not.

Rodin; Your ignorance of the facts flourishes n your comments. Just to show you a place within the U.S. as an example. Puerto Rico, a Commonwealth of the U.S., has banned firearms to the point that any law abiding citizen who needs one has to go through more hoops and loops than in California and, even so, his/her chances are almost none. However, the amount of illegal weapons, including fully automatics, in the hands of drug dealers, and other hoodlums has proliferated in ways that they are better armed than the police, and perhaps, the F.B.I. itself. People are dropping like flies in the interior of the island. Not a day goes by that an innocent bystander gets killed by these hoodlums, who rob and murder without discrimination. Only the tourist areas are “safe” because of the police presence and its purge of the area. The law abiding citizen must lock him/herself and their families behind bars at night to feel safe because, they do not feel protected and the police is inefective. If more law abiding citizens were duly trained armed to shoot a weapon to protect themselves, the story would be different. Every Country that has disarmed its citizens has made them victims of criminals. Watch out !

Take Nazi Germany for instance, when you dis-arm the public you can take the country over completely. So the real danger is the government, especially the one now in power. you know the pretender in chief. (no valid Birth cert. to date.)

I’m sure you can compare yourself to any third world country – try Pakistan or IRAQ where you’re allowed to walk through the streets with a loaded AK-47. I’m sure you hillbillies would love to be able to do that. Why don’t you instead look to the examples of Canada or Holland or Spain or Italy or Germany or the UK or France or Denmark or ……..

rodin..you should consider a move out of the coutry where you can be safer from us gun nuts! Open carry of a firearm is legal in America also. Including AK-47 and AR-15′s.

Perhaps then you might address this thought…
How is it that a woman found in an alley raped and strangled with her own panty hose is morally superior to the one explaing to the police how her attacker recieved a fatal bullet wound? The logic you gun grabbing morons apply to anything, is astoundingly stupid.

rodin is a troll, you’re all falling right into his trap. america will never be disarmed, i personally will defend myself and my home from anyone propogating illegal activities, including government enforcers if they should attempt to disarm me. the 2nd american civil war is one executive order away, and because of this i sincerely doubt the government will EVER try to institute a nationwide firearms ban.

So we should ban all pools too because more people die in them than are killed with firearms.

Rodin, have you considered that Police Officers can only help after the fact? Officers that do not sit behind a desk have been interviewed and the greater majority attest to this one fact. Oh I forgot, Liberals choose to ignore majority
concerns!

Gee Rodin, remember your words the next time an illegal breaks into your home and kills one of your loved ones! Are you so naive as to think that criminals follow the gunlaws! Criminals will always have access to illegal weapons because criminals don’t care about the law or for that matter about who they kill with their illegal weapon……DUHHH

Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean that everyone’s not out to get you. LMAO

You don’t need a gun and neither does anyone else on this thread. Ban the whole lot. No guns and slowly get rid of the ones the criminals hold. The US is the biggest supplier of guns to criminals in other countries.

Aint got nothing to do with being paranoid you jerk. Ive never owned a hand gun, and I dont make a habit of putting myself into places or situations where I might need one. But I surely cannot begrudge someone if they want to carry one, as long as they do it legally. If someone is going to kill someone, they dont need a gun to do it, so are you going to ban knives and baseball bats and ice picks and screw drivers. I mean, where does it stop. Hand guns dont kill people, and if you look at the facts of where they are most carried around at, there is less crime. Seems to me that you have twisted things around in your head, where you are so paranoid about hand guns. That is the facts we have to deal with here. Maybe something bad happened in your family with a hand gun, I dont know. But take these away from our society, and brother you will see gun crimes skyrocket. Reports out of Australia that Ive seen, says that since they institutued hand gun bans, gun crimes have gone up 600 percent. We really dont need that around here. So dont be throwing the “paranoid” word around, when you are the one that is paranoid about hand guns. Me, I can take them or leave them, as Ive never owned one, and probably wont, but Im all for my neighbor to own one if he wants to. Its his right.

I have lived in countries where people have no handguns.They are murdered with inpunity,and often by their own gov.Violent crime incresaed 300 % in canada in the first year after they gave up their weapons! As a former weapons secutiry officer in the Air Force I have seen people who are defensless,and tortured(and I mean REALLY tortured).rodin is obviously deranged and out of touch with the REAL world.In Atlanta Ga a house party was ended when two armed men robbed the guests and proceeded to rape and murder all of them.A young man had a handgun in his book bag.He fired at one criminal who ran for his life.The second one was about to start raping the females when the student shot and fatally wounded him.All of the men and women would have been raped and murdered if not for this one person.
Just think how many virginia tech students would have lived if they had a right to carry on campus?
SOUNDS TO ME LIKE ANOTHER LIBERAL BED WETTING BABY WANTS TO WHINE AND SAY THEY ARE SCARED!Don,t worry little baby,The obamasamarama man will save you.My big old butt!!!!
More likely it will be trained combat veterans like myself who will have to fight for you so you can be a homosexual bed wetting baby.

I see you subscribe to Hillary Clintons belief Rodin, but actually the facts are that America only contributes to a very small percentage of global illegal gun
running. Those few that do provide American arms globally are acting aganist the law……humm that mean they are criminals…..that would mean an American criminal is supplying other global criminals or maybe even terrorists!

Rodin- simply said, you do not know what the hell you are babbling about regarding guns. Go play with yourself, you will have more good feelings about that than anything else…

“and slowly get rid of the rest?” I assume you have a plan for that?

Perhaps you should spend some time reading the words of our founding fathers on the right of American’s to own guns. They believed that a people without the right to arm themselves had to fear not only the criminal element but also their own government. And their fears were proven correct just a bit more than 100 years later in Germany when Hitler used the gun registration lists first to confiscate the guns of the Jews and then to herd them into concentration camps.

Perhaps you should study the state Australia finds itself in now after confiscating all registered weapons on threat of arresting those who refused to turn over their guns – take a look at the increase in their crime rates in the first year after spending 90 billion to destroy all those legally owned guns.

If you are so concerned with your safety from our guns, you are more than welcome to move to one of those countries whose gun laws are more to your liking. Unfortunately, your ilk won’t do that…you’ll just continue to work on restricting the rights of those who don’t think the same way you do – all the while screaming that being a liberal means being in support of “freedom”. The difference is that you all want freedom “from” and not freedom “of”……a distinction that will destroy this country if we’re not careful.

Once again…leave America!

Brother, i too am labeled as a felon, I give you a badge of couare to admit it, and i too am labeled rthat for possing over an ounce of pot, 30 years ago.well, ill give ya the answr, you may not like it, but here it is, buy a gun, and if and when you have to use it. Or, move to one of 4 states, that allow felons to own a handgun, one is utah, after 5 yearts, claen slate, i wont meantion the others to protect what freedoms they still have. The labeling of citizens is yet another way to limit your rights, and scare you, and keep you from having the right to own a gun, your God given right. We live in an country where your rights, and the rights of the many, are being ignored. I fell for ya, but, remeber this, look into it, if you value your right to bear arms, there ARE states where you can.

When he said liberal bed wetting baby, he forgot pacifist appeasing liberal bed wetting left wing liberal baby.

Howard-Thanks for your reply, I do the best I can along this line and I do have a ccp and its good I beleave in 30 some odd states,Except California.I step off my property to go to the store or drive around to the back side of my pasture with a hand gun and I have committed a crime in California.Forget getting a ccp in this county.

not exactly right. to purchase a handgun a state handgun safety certificate (hrc) is required. and to the best of my knowledge there is no federal investigation only a california backround check, and in the case of a handgun registration. only the backround check is required for longguns. the federal form 4473 is completed at the pick up of the firearm and must remain on the premises of the license holder as long as they remain in the firearm business.

The article “What the media won’t tell you! – 9/11/01 – OKC Bombing”

Date: Sept./ 12/ 2002 – In all of this can be seen the true character of the powers that are pushing the world into the scheme of GLOBALISM.

“Secure in your wicked ways, you thought no one could see you. Therefore evil and calamity will overtake you, and you will not be able to avert it.” Is 47:10-11

“Justice is turned away and righteousness stands far off. For truth is fallen in the streets, City’s forum, and uprightness cannot enter the courts of justice.” Is. 59:14

They have warned us: “Our State, marching along the path of peaceful conquest, has the right to replace the horrors of war by less noticeable and more satisfactory means.

That is, by the sentences of death that are necessary to maintain the terror which leads to blind submission………… We execute men in such a way that no one but we of the brotherhood will ever suspect it. Not even the victims themselves know of our death sentence and what is happening.

They all just die when required and it appears as if from a normal kind of illness. Knowing this, even the brotherhood themselves dare not protest.”

So what you are saying, is the government is corrupt.
Profound.

You are so correct I could not have given a better answer if I tried. It is our right to carry a weapon and our weapon of choice NOT what the state says we can carry. The people have the authority to carry their weapons without asking for permission from the state or federal government and the government does not have the right to dictate under what conditions the people can carry those weapons. We The People do need to start DEMANDING THAT THE STATES AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS OBEDIENT TO THE PEOPLE. That is what a true republic is. A government that the people is obedient to is nothing more than a tyranny.

And you said it, we the people need to DEMAND our rights, not ask, and one of the strongests words in the english dictonary is NO

Correctly stated. As with some who choose “open carry” , completly legal, the anti’s choose to be fearful of law abiding citizen and wish to deprive the law abiding citizen of their 2nd Amentment rights. Myself, I do not have a need for a CCP, but it is a right I am not opposed to at all. Why is it that the law abiding citizen must suffer the indignity of the narrowminded lawmakers that cannot seem to grasp the idea that the criminal will not obey any laws, no matter whomelse must!

Fred,

You are absolutely correct in this. She just needs to go out and buy a gun and to heck with what the police and Pelosi says over there.

I am against all gun regulation.

The Federal Government gets around the Second Amendment by allowing us to freely buy rifles and shotguns without requiring registration.

Its only certain types of guns that they attempt to control, and certain types of behavior, such as carrying. You can carry a gun, concealed or not all you want, on your own property. But in the public domain, lets face it, not everyone should own a gun, not to mention bring it out in public. I have know some really irresponsible people.
Basically, the permits are just a way to screen out the idiots from legally carring in public.

Again, I am against all forms of gun control.
I have two answers to an idiot with a gun, .357cal and .44 cal.
As they say, “When the hammer drops, the bulls**t stops.”

…and my 9mm, .223, 20ga. and 12 gauge!

forgot my 22 LR.

Everyone making comments concerning our Constitutional Rights is absolutely correct. I do believe that there should be an age limit to those who are allowed to carry/ own a weapon of whatever kind. Children of course are excluded. Say voting age would be acceptable to all. For those who walk the wrong side of the law: criminals who have not committed a crime with the use of a gun & did their time, by rights, should have the right to carry a weapon for protection. I do believe, however, that any criminal who has committed a crime involving a gun should not ever be allowed to own a weapon again. Serial killers forfeit their rights are at the top of my list. Many of you voice your opinions here & other sites. How many of you have screamed at your state Senators & Congressmen? Even sent emails to the morons at the white house?? Any of you? I’ve sent an email to every Governor & Senator in the U.S. concerning our right to carry weapons for defense & to try & get Governors to pass a bill to Stop all Sharia laws from being passed. There’s another badger in the U.S. mix that many of you may not be aware of & Obama is his puppet. George Soros aka Schwartz in Germany during Hitler’s reign. Check out SorosWatch.com for a great deal of information. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Don’t just spout rights, fight for them!!!! I’m not ready to give up my rights concerning guns, muslims, or God. Are you???

Written by:Joan Pryde, Senior tax editor for the Kiplinger letters

In just six months, on January 1, 2011, the largest tax hikes in the history of America will take effect.

They will hit families and small businesses in three great waves.

On January 1, 2011, here’s what happens….

First Wave:

Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief

In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for investors, small business owners, and families.

These will all expire on January 1, 2011.

Personal income tax rates will rise.

The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39.6 percent (this is also the rate at which two-thirds of small business profits are taxed).

The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent.

All the rates in between will also rise.

Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as highermarginal tax rates.

The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:

The 10% bracket rises to an expanded 15%
The 25% bracket rises to 28%
The 28% bracket rises to 31%
The 33% bracket rises to 36%
The 35% bracket rises to 39.6%

Higher taxes on marriage and family.

The “marriage penalty” (narrower tax brackets for married couples) will return from the first dollar of income.

The child tax credit will be cut in half from $1000 to $500 per child.

The standard deduction will no longer be doubled for married couples relative to the single level.

The dependent care and adoption tax credits will be cut.

The return of the Death Tax.

This year only, there is no death tax. (It’s a quirk!) For those dying on or after January 1, 2011, there is a 55 percent
top death tax rate on estates over $1 million. A person leaving behind two homes, a business, a retirement account, could easily pass along a death tax bill to their loved ones. Think of the farmers who don’t make much money, but their land, which they purchased years ago with after-tax dollars, is now worth a lot of money. Their children will have to sell the farm, which may be their livelihood, just to pay the estate tax if they don’t have the cash sitting around to pay the tax. Think about your own family’s assets. Maybe your family owns real estate, or a business that doesn’t make much money, but the building and equipment are worth $1 million. Upon their death, you can inherit the $1 million business tax free, but if they own a home, stock, cash worth $500K on top of the $1 million business, then you will owe the government $275,000 cash! That’s 55% of the value of the assets over $1 million! Do you have that kind of cash sitting around waiting to pay the estate tax?

Higher tax rates on savers and investors.

The capital gains tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 20 percent in 2011.

The dividends tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 39.6 percent in 2011.

These rates will rise another 3.8 percent in 2013.

Second Wave:

Obamacare

There are over twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Several will first go into effect on January 1, 2011. They include:

The “Medicine Cabinet Tax”

Thanks to Obamacare, Americans will no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).

The “Special Needs Kids Tax”

This provision of Obamacare imposes a cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs) of $2500 (Currently, there is no federal government limit). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children.

There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education.

Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington , D.C. ( National Child Research Center ) can easily exceed $14,000 per year.

Under tax rules, FSA dollars can not be used to pay for this type of special needs education.

The HSA (Health Savings Account) Withdrawal Tax Hike.

This provision of Obamacare increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAsand other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.

Third Wave:

The Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) and Employer Tax Hikes

When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2011, they’ll be in for a nasty surprise-the AMT won’t be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired.

The major items include:

The AMT will ensnare over 28 million families, up from 4 million last year.

According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress’ failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families-rising from 4 million last year to 28.5 million. These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.

Small business expensing will be slashed and 50% expensing will disappear.

Small businesses can normally expense (rather than slowly-deduct, or “depreciate”) equipment purchases up to $250,000.

This will be cut all the way down to $25,000. Larger businesses can currently expense half of their purchases of equipment.

In January of 2011, all of it will have to be “depreciated.”

Taxes will be raised on all types of businesses.

There are literally scores of tax hikes on business that will take place. The biggest is the loss of the “research and experimentation tax credit,” but there are many, many others. Combining high marginal tax rates with the loss of this tax relief will cost jobs.

Tax Benefits for Education and Teaching Reduced.

The deduction for tuition and fees will not be available.

Tax credits for education will be limited.

Teachers will no longer be able to deduct classroom expenses.

Coverdell Education Savings Accounts will be cut.

Employer-provided educational assistance is curtailed.

The student loan interest deduction will be disallowed for hundreds of thousands of families.

Charitable Contributions from IRAs no longer allowed.

Under current law, a retired person with an IRA can contribute up to $100,000 per year directly to a charity from their IRA.

This contribution also counts toward an annual “required minimum distribution.” This ability will no longer be there.

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And worse yet?

Now, your insurance will be INCOME on your W2′s!

One of the surprises we’ll find come next year, is what follows – - a little “surprise” that 99% of us had no idea was included in the “new and improved” healthcare legislation . . . the dupes, er, dopes, who backed this administration will be astonished!

Starting in 2011, (next year folks), your W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are given by the company. It does not matter if that’s a private concern or governmental body of some sort.

If you’re retired? So what… your gross will go up by the amount of insurance you get.

You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have never seen. Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15,000 or $20,000 additional gross does to your tax debt. That’s what you’ll pay next year.

For many, it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it’s even worse.

This is how the government is going to buy insurance for the15% that don’t have insurance and it’s only part of the tax increases.

Not believing this??? Here is a research of the summaries…..

Well, we are supossewd to stay quiet on this subject im about to write about.but, everyone knows anyway. In this country, conservativly, there are more unregistered guns than registered. With all the laws, [being vehicles to disarm law abiding citizens] Milions of people in america own handguns and longuns unregistered, the provblem of course is if one is caught with one, well, its a misdemeanor, but the weapon is confiscated. The second amendment is very clear, “the right to have and bear arms shall not be infringed” That is exactally what it means. It says nothin about felons, or the right of any state or court to take away these rights. Its a good thing to register one or two, but for the most part, people who are aware of the agenda in this country have at least one gun unregisteered. You may ask, “where does this person get this info” well, from vast experience, allot of travel, meetingmany people.The reason of course people keep at least one gun unregistrered, is the fear that the gov will have the location ansd name of the person, and thus be able to confiscate the weapon.as they did in New orleans. Guns are made for three things, sport, feedingsones self, and protecting ones self from those larger than themselves, when thier life is in danger. We all know[andif yopu dont you nedd to study] what has happened in the countries where they have banned guns, its not a pretty site. Our own gov, seems to think itsa ok to let steriod filled badge toting men carry deadly force, and step all over our god given rights, that now includes our goverment workers, who now at a rate unpresidented are being issued concealed weapons permits.It is sumed up well by this phrase, when the governm,ent ceases to serve the people, it becomes the master, and people, behold your master. we now live in a country where the government has almost total rule, annd do not follow their own laws.Ask yourself, do you trust your governmet? the answer is no, i dont have to ask, just a piont made. On closing, to those on the other side, yeah you that think the government is for ther goverment, by the goverment [the progressive croud] and by the way the minority. You will never take the guns from Americans, not in the next two hundred years anyway. And to those who fear guns, you are fearing the very thing that can protect you. Or, i get it, you would rather use a stick to defend yourself aginst a rapist, or a mugger, or worse.
I suggest a good book for all to read, new out there too, and sold out for a short time.glenn becks common snse.therer are no lies in his book. A rye patriot, and, has common sense.

There are many guns that were purchased prior to the registration laws, again, very much legal.