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Connecting the Dots on Unrelated Subjects

May 4, 2009 by  

Connecting the Dots on Unrelated Subjects

Nationalized health care.

President Barack Obama fires GM CEO Richard Wagoner.

British food inspectors.

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Government bailouts.

These five seemingly unrelated subjects actually have a lot in common, and I will connect the dots.

First, Obama and Congressional Democrats are seeking to nationalize health care. What they say they want to do is make healthcare affordable for everyone. They say that the plan is to offer alternatives to the existing health insurance structure, thereby giving consumers a choice in their healthcare providers.

Have insurance through your employer you’re happy with? Fine, you can keep it. Just be prepared as a taxpayer to subsidize someone else’s healthcare.

In other words, the government is going to take your hard-earned money away from you and tell you it is to pay for someone else to see a doctor. You pay your own premiums, through withholdings from your employer or direct payment if you’re self-employed, while someone else gets healthcare through the government, thanks to your tax dollars.

In March, Obama forced out General Motors CEO Richard Wagoner. Why? Obama wasn’t satisfied with the way Wagoner was proceeding in his quest to turn General Motors’ finances around. How can the president force out the CEO of a private company?

It’s no longer private. GM took a government handout—rather, bailout—and the president became the company’s largest stakeholder. That essentially made Obama chairman of the board of GM and gave him control over the company’s direction.

In January, Great Britain announced that a group of inspectors will be hired and trained to visit British homes and offer advice to homeowners on what foods to eat and what to throw away. They’ll be handing out guidance literature on optimum portion sizes and what to do with leftovers, as well as explaining the difference between “best before,” “use by,” and “sell by” dates.

Essentially, according to an article in the Daily Mail, the British government is going to send out its agents to go through the refrigerators and pantries of British subjects and judge whether they are eating well and properly managing their food.

Meanwhile, Justice Ginsburg told a group gathering at Ohio State University that she believed U.S. judges were justified in using precedent established in foreign courts when handing down decisions on U.S. matters, according to a recent article in the New York Times.

“Why shouldn’t we look to the wisdom of a judge from abroad with at least as much ease as we would read a law review article written by a professor?” the Times quoted her as asking.

Regarding the bailouts, where does the money that went to GM, Chrysler and the financial institutions come from? If you are a working American it is taken from you (through income tax) by threat of force. It then goes into the government coffers where it is dispersed at the direction of the Treasury Secretary, who was appointed by the president.

Now to connect the dots: When healthcare is nationalized the government is going to be overseeing the type of care you receive and whether—because of age or state of health—a certain treatment is authorized.

A healthy populace is less expensive than an unhealthy one. So the government will seek to modify people’s behavior in order to ensure their health and keep healthcare costs low. That means the government will have a say over what you eat and how you live, as well as whether you even qualify for certain treaments.

Obama, in control of GM, fired the CEO. He justified it by claiming to represent the interests of taxpayers. Obama, in charge of healthcare because taxpayer dollars are used to fund it, can make you eat correctly in order to ensure your health.

To enforce government’s idea of a healthy diet, food police will regularly inspect your refrigerator and pantry to make sure you are eating properly. If food police agents deem you have too much “unapproved” food in your house, expect fines and punishment. You can’t be fired, as Wagoner was. But the government has ways to punish wrongdoers.

Don’t want to let inspectors into your house? Sorry, the government now owns you through healthcare. Want to appeal the punishment for unauthorized food? You won’t get very far. Once a judge in Great Britain rules it’s okay for them, no American law will help you. So says Justice Ginsburg.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • http://againstNWO.blogspot.com Daryld Cason

    “They” want us to resist, but not until they have what they need in place to imprison us when we do resist. Have you googled “FEMA camps”? Have you googled “Georgia guidestones”? Have you taken a good look around where you live to see what might be being built or renovated that could be used to imprison us?

    Have you considered what the census – done a year early – is truly for? Do you know that every time you use your debit or credit card for a purchase, that information is used/sold for “marketing” purposes?

    Both parties are corrupt. The government, in whole, is corrupt. Not just America’s, but around the world. BO has been in training since he was a child to take this position. He has received training in Alinsky Socialism and Islam. He has been preened and primped to collect the vote of those who normally don’t bother to vote. He won very little land mass in the last vote – it was mostly in poor highly concentrated urban neighborhoods. Which he’s been trained to organize. Those who want more of the free ride through life.

    BO is here to work with corrupt governments around the world to bring about the End Times as they are described in the Bible. While you’re googling things, google “Bilderberg Group”. They, and their parallel heathen groups, have been in place since the 1950s.

    Have you read the CDC reports of who will be treated and who will not during the “next pandemic”? It’s available online and clearly spells out who will be left to die. I will be one of those.

    The US of A is the biggest bio-terrorist in the world. The swine flu that hit Mexico was just a test run. Wait to see what happens this fall – at your peril. The man-made flu is bad enough, but I’d be willing to bet my last bit of time here on earth that it will be the “vaccine” that kills most of us.

    De-population is the goal. Smaller group to control. As soon as BO gets the last countries on his list to sign on, it shall be done. China is a holdout. Iran is a holdout. Syria is a holdout.

    Don’t take what I’ve said as truth. Google. Study. Investigate.

    It will take more than some TEAparties to stop what is in play now.

    May God be with us all.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      But just remember one thing David. Obama isnt in control, these heathen countries arent in control, your not in control, and Im not in control. God is in control of things, and you state “May God be with us all”. It is written, “I am always with you”. But also remember this, the Bible was written as a body of work for the believer, not the unbeliever. So if you are a believer David, then God will be with you always. I dont know about you and where you are, but God will make my enemies foot stools under my feet. Rest assured, and know where the real power is. The Lord is shepherd, I shall not be in want.

  • http://blog.theavocadopapers.com Avocado876

    Mr Livingston: you appear not to have any faith in America. If it were true that “food police” will soon be a reality in the U.S. (do you seriously believe this is likely to happen here?) or that President Obama wishes to nationalize GM (you make that claim so forcefully, but without facts to support your claim), the fact remains that if the past is any guide, the system of checks and balances prescribed in the Constitution will keep such excesses from becoming reality. You seem not to have any faith in the Constitution; by extension, you seem not to have any faith in the United States. Perhaps I’m missing something. But I don’t think I am.

    Also, I think it’s interesting that this ultra-paranoid view of our country is most prevalent among two groups of people: ultra-conservatives and ultra-left-wingers. Interesting, isn’t it? And most people in between these poles are NOT worrying that the U.S. as we know it will implode at any moment. Perhaps you and the ultra-lefties should form a club or something. Just a thought.

  • David C.

    Americans should demand term limits. In the interim every incumbent should be voted out of office. It is so important to have government for the people. It is not something that we currently have! It won’t happen with the same folks running Congress.

  • Inventor

    Have you looked at any of the bills “PUSHED” through?? “Fun” read (Barf). Some of the lines “Hint” at supending the vote!!
    King OBAMA, the “Islamic” choice to trash America from within.

    Seen a Birth certificate yet??

  • W. Palmer

    One of the most stunning omissions in American life is the absence of a universal health care system.
    Americans pay the highest cost for health care in the world. It is poorly regulated and open to horrific consequences of drug incompatibility through the absence of recorded data. How good medical care is depends of course where you live. Between 30 and 40 million people have no insurance at all. A large percentage of these die for the absence of simple drugs, or minor medical procedure.

    Universal health care is expensive, the U.K. and Europe, Canada, Australia will attest to that. It accounts for a huge part of the yearly budget. But these countries spend far less than the U.S. on the problem. The biggest problem is administering this megalithic leviathan. Some countries like Sweden manage this very well, others like Canada and the U.K. not so well, but all provide timely and comprehensive care to the population, manage drugs and treatment in a well defined way that eliminates the consequences of incompatibility and overdose. Physicians and doctors are compensated well and have a good road to promotion available to them.
    There are many anecdotal horror stories that would suggest that the system doesn’t work, I am sure that will continue.. But these a fraction of a percent compared to the thousands of success stories achieved every day. No system is perfect.

    The intimation that a universal health care system will infringe on the rights of the individual are total nonsense. Yes your medications will be monitored, you will have to contribute a monthly premium for the service and your personal details recorded and deductions will be made from the payroll.

    My cousin in Atlanta pays $1500 per month for insurance with a monthly drug bill of $500.00. In Canada I pay $70.00 per month for the family, and drugs are dependent on income where I pay a few dollars or nothing.
    health care in the U.S. is seen as a commodity and pharmaceuticals as a cash cow profit machine.
    If I was heavily invested in insurance or pharmaceuticals in the U.S. I would be dead against health care programs, Since they are the only people making anything out of the system the way it is. There is 60 years of success in Europe and the U.K. and 40 years in Canada. The reticence in the U.S. is purely corporate greed.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      And I talked with a guy up there in Canada whose dad was having heart problems, and went to the doctor and they told him they would put him on the list, which left him 3 weeks out for his appointment. He died a week later, because he couldnt get in, because they are so overun with the hypocondriacs who always have something wrong with them, and by everyone going to the doctor for every little thing because its free, so you have to get on the waiting list for your appointments. I have heard this from more than one person up there, so Im not sure where your from, but I dont think it is from Canada, as the people I know and the others I have talked to up there, tell you that you dont want universal health care. Why do you think people with some sort of money come here for operations whey they have to pay, instead of having it free up there? Think about it. And furthermore, who do you think would be paying for this? The taxpayers pal, you and me and everyone, and it wouldnt be cheap. And if your cousin in Atlanta is paying 1500.00 a month for insurance, they need to go to a different company, because they are getting hosed big time. You can buy it privately for a third of that from allmost any company around, so something isnt adding up right with this story, unless you are a left wing liberal trying to get us all to agree with the old Hillary care concept. Your not a left wing liberal democrat are you? If so, you need to say no more. I understand your agenda.

      • W. Palmer

        As I said you can find horror stories everywhere on the universal health care front, I can tell you many. But invariably they have been exaggerated but nevertheless are based on some fact.
        I find it difficult to believe your anecdote if it is a heart problem. I am at that age where almost all my friends have some sort of heart problem. I can tell you it is health care on demand with them, the slightest murmur or skipped beat and they are going down the road on a siren. I do not exaggerate

        Yes we have people who have died on waiting lists and there are endless stories of people waiting for months/years for hips and knees. This is not good.

        Unfortunately in Canada each province runs its own system. Here in B.C. they outlaw any private clinics where those who could pay are forced to wait and end up going to WA to get things done. Things could be done much much better if we could shift the politicians…. and that is the other problem Health care becomes politicized and are inevitably run by bozos`.
        But depending where you live depends on how soon they get done. My mother in law in England got a new hip 85 years old after a 3 month wait, not bad. My brother in London had the best of attention for his leukemia and all his other disorders until he died 2 years ago, in hospital. You couldn’t get better treatment even if he went to J.H. New York. on demand on time and in London!

        I lived in Hong Kong for some years, There is not a universal Health system there but the hospitals are free. Yes you get basic care but you do get care.
        My youngest daughter was born there, a breached birth, very difficult. My wife was in hospital for several weeks, the cost to me was $600.00 HK about $100.00 U.S. The surgeon who delivered my daughter I don’t think you could find better anywhere. The tax rate in H.K. is 16% flat tax, There is no sales tax or any other taxes except on booze, ciggs, perfume, gas and pop.

        My cousin in Atlanta pays what he does because his wife is dissabled and needs constant medical attention. Medical insurence in the U.S. works the same way as car insurance. That is not right.
        I recommended he go to California since the medical system is a little more generous there. I don`t know if I am right or not.

        I do live in Canada. I was born and raised in England, I hate socialism with a passion but health care I think is the responsibility of all of us. I am not a bleeding heart liberal I don’t wear any religious or political cap. I was raised in abject poverty in the U.K. as a child after the war playing in the rubble of a bombed out Birmingham.
        Medical care was one of the first socialist reforms to be introduced in Britain at the time and was very necessary for the care of a very compromised population and the young men who returned from the war injured and disabled for life. How would we have fared without it I shudder to think.

        Except for the rubble there are some parallels in the U.S. to my story above.
        I don’t know how a population can sit by and simply dismiss any reforms.
        Pay attention to what I have said. The U.S. pays more by far than any other country for its health care, but is not available to 30 – 40 million of its population.
        (That is more than the entire population of Canada) as many as the entire state of California.
        And who do I think would pay for it, yes of course the taxpayers. Like every other country. Better than the corporations, yes. GM may have survived had it not been for its Social benefits legacy. Medical ,drugs, what a cost! They have no business in any pension plan but what is a retiree to do if the state (taxpayer) does not provide. I feel very sorry for these people now they have nothing.

        You are obviously a young man, I hope you will become an old man. I hope you will look beyond the borders of your country at what others are doing. Don`t listen to a lot of biased and inaccurate anecdote to reinforce your own set opinions, Judge on fact. consider equally all opinion. and ask yourself what will you do in the next inevitable recession when you have no job and a sick wife who needs medical attention. I hope you don’t have to sell your home to get it.

        I love your country, I go there often.

  • MOMSRIGHT

    PS…… We all know when ever the government trys to run anything they always screw it up……..If we think medical care will improve after Obama is done, then we truly are stupid!……..Nothing that this government is doing right now will have a possitive out come for the American people!……..Yet we are not helpless! Vote the usurpers OUT!…….Time to bring the Obama Monarchary to an end!

    • keith

      end socialism in 2010!!! impeach obama!

  • http://comcast jow

    You may notice that Obama is pushing everything through on an emergency level. He is today, pushing his Cap and Trade legislation through on a fast track. He is pushing everything through so he has total control of everything before the congress and senate will be changed. He has two years and is on a fast track to get total control before the next election. All of the representatives are rubber stamps for Obama. Notice that he calls them to the whitehouse if he has trouble getting one of his control items though like Cap and Trade which he has congress coming to the white house today, 5/6/2009. He says he is doing what the taxpayers want which is such a bunch of do do. The taxpayers have to write to their reps to stop the dictator.

    • Carolyn

      He’s pushing cap and trade right now because so many of these scientists are finally breaking the news that this is all fake….

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      This is for one reason, the democrats are desperate to act fast, as they know that the American public will sooner or later wise up to what they are doing, so they want to get it all done now, before there is a mass uprising that they are destined to cause. America can only tolerate so much political correctness before we all get sick of it and start being American first again, and God first again. Remember when we were like that and it all smelled so good.

  • MOMSRIGHT

    I thought we kicked out the Brits over 200 years ago!…………Just because the Brits want to dig around in their citizens pantry why do Americans need the gov. digging around in ours? Yet the government thinks we need a nanny and they are more than willing to play the roll! ……….What ever happened to the great independant pioneers who traveled through harsh circumstances, built their homes, raised their kids, Grew enourmous business and industry, and created some of the most amazing inventions? They did it all without the government standing by to wipe their nose or bandage their skinned knee! Americans are born free and have an extensive history of keeping that freedom alive! It is what we know, it is what we do all over the world! No way Obama can shut that down in four short years! Time to stand up and FIGHT!

  • suddencall

    Mark
    when anyone with any iota of education, knows that Bill Clinton with his American Dream of everyone owning a home, setting up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to loan money to people who had no way to pay this back, with the government backing these banks bad loans, until it blew up in their face because the money ran out, and it was set up by the dems and ran by the dems, and people like Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick took millions of dollars out of this and got rich. When Bush called for an investigation into the figures not looking right on this, Barney Frank, another top ranking democrat, was the head of the committee overseeing this, and would not allow an investigation as he said he had it under control. So the dems did all this, and then had the audacity to point the finger at the Bush admin and placed the blame on them
    Mark please:
    And you talk about the dumb liberals.You appear to be the pot calling the kettle black. The republicans have been the ones lying to you,open your eyes and mind before it is to late.To anyone over five years old it is plain that the republicans have destroyed our republic.Terror group = republican party.It is desgraceful how the republicans can get adult people to believe their lies.
    As for the media it is so right wing bias as to be worthless as a news outlet.They even go so far as to tell us that there is no evidence of bush wrong doing and that bush got drug treatment and went AWOL during a war and that there is no proof out there.What a bunch of worthless yellow egg sucking dogs they are.

    • NaNa

      Sounds like you are looking for another country to live in. Let us know how that works out for you. All politicos LIE, but this is the first one to stomp on the Constitution and lie all the while daring anyone to disagree with him. Yep lets get these tax cheats but leave his cronies alone, you know the ones………….. most of his appointees, but thats another chat thread.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Thats because the democrats you see, are like the Pharisee’s in the Bible. They want all the choice seats, and want to be seen and heard, and think of themselves as better than everyone else. But inside they are ate by greed and filth, and believe that we should do as they say, not as they do. The democrats are todays Pharisees

    • http://comcast jow

      Hey, if you think we are going to be better off as a free country in 4 years than we are now, I am selling the Brooklyn Bridge too. We will be a socialist country and you will have less money to spend, the unemployment rate will be greater than it is today and the govt. will have greater power than they had when Obama brought his change to the US. He is the first president to take over a company and fire a CEO because he didn’t like what the CEO was doing to change the company. He is the CEO of major financial institutions and says he is doing what the taxpayers want. Is this what you want. Maybe he should take over you house because that may happen too. Sounds impossible, right, just like the president firing a CEO, it couldn’t happen in the US. Anything is possible with this president.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Right on Jow. Maybe we can do a joint package and sell this ocean front property in Arizona I own together with your bridge. Might be able to find us a lefty to give us a healthy price, since they dont seem to know the score of things.

    • suddencall

      Mark please : you need to turn Limbaugh and O rielly off,They are false teachersb of terror doctrine. Not good for free people.Bush did more to take your freedom away than anu otger leader in america.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Really? Then in being fair and honest, dont just state your opinion, because opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. State some facts. Again, dont spew your left wing opinions that the news outlets have told you, show me some straight out facts now, or shut your mouth you left wing pacifist appeaser. Youve got nothing, because he did nothing to take my freedoms. Show me, now.

      • suddencall

        Bush and the right wing has been running the printing presses wide open for the last seven years and still are. Every dollar they print makes your dollars worth less,now In my book money is freedom.He relieved you of your privacy, constitutional rights and freedom of speach,now what else do you want Facts,I do not believe you want facts,you want someone else to lie to you.Thats to say nothing about giving your tax money to illegals so ytheuy can take your jobs.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Ok dude, chill out. First of all, I didnt see you state any facts here, as I did on my reply. I clearly stated facts, that if you would check them, would find out to be true. How can you say the press is right wing bias? What the hell are you smoking dude? ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC are all notorious left wing liberal media outlets, owned by rich democrats and ran by rich democrats. Fact. Check it out. So where were you the last 8 years while these guys were unmercifully slapping Bush around like a dog? Where were you at? Damn man, how in the hell did you miss 8 years of that? Anybody, and I mean anybody with half a brain knows these are all democrat ran stations with a left wing liberal agenda, and they have been since Walter Cronkhites days. Evidently, youve proven my point about uneducated liberal democrats, as you dont even know which parties owns and controls these major media outlets. Only Fox will give you fair reporting, and you know what, if Bush did something wrong, they were the first to report it. However, I thank God for Mr. Bush. I was safe for 8 years. Good luck in the upcoming years America. The Liberals have spoken.

    • SSG Prasuhn

      SuddenDeath….Are you dislexic??? You’ve got your facts and perceptions bass ackwards!!!

      ‘Nuff Said’,

  • M. Brotherton

    I do not believe we will have the chance to vote anybody out or vote anyone else in. The elections are fixed. I dont know how they are doing it but liberalism has infiltrated every area of politics and beyond. Corrupt money is everywhere. I hate to think it but I beleive the only way we will ever get our country back is to take it back by force. Politicians will never listten to their constituants again from this poiint on. They are way beyond corrupt. The constitution no longer rules this country. There is total disregard for the rule of law in the US. This goes for both sides of the aisle. They have come too far to give up the turf they have already taken. Nothing will stop them but brute force.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      to M. Brotherton, see my entry in reply to John Q.. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry getting elected time after time, when no one is voting for them. Yeh, I believe you about this fix thing. Thats why we need term limits to keep these blood suckers from being in long enough to fix things up like this. You and I both know thats what happens.

      • Rob

        Again I find myself in agreement Mark.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Rob, do you feel like I do, that in both parties we need to rid these career politicians en-mass, like all at once in one election?

      • Rob

        Mark, yes I do. Get rid of all the career politicians. 1 term, then your out. Cut their pay too. Vote republican, democrat, green party, Libertarian, mix it up and pit them all against each other. Hopefully that will cause gridlock. When Washington gets nothing done, thats a good thing.

  • Tom

    And you can be certain that which foods and health care treatments are deemed “good” for you, will be very heavily influenced by powerful lobbies of the multi-billion-dollar food and drug industries…

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Give me mashed potatoes, real butter, salt and pepper on them of course, with a big old slab of beef or pork, maybe some deep fried chicken. Of course I start the day with a pound of bacon, the real stuff, um um good. 4 eggs, and toast, again with real whole butter, none of that chemical laced margarine crap. I then wash it down with whole vitamin D milk. As a rule, if is doesnt have calories, I wont eat it. Im fifty one, and Im 6′ tall, 190 lbs of lean man. My parents are in their mid 80′s, and still eat potatoes, beef, pork, whole milk, real butter, salt and pepper, and all this stuff these heath food wankers tell you not to eat, and they are totally healthy. If more people ate these good foods, and got the proper excercise, we would have a healthier society. All these chemical induced diet foods, and lowfat this and that, might as well eat cardboard. People I know that eat this crap constantly struggle with their weight, and they are sick a lot. Im never sick. Eat real food. I dont care what you so called doctors and dieticians say, I choose to believe the real life study that I have lived, and that my parents and 5 brothers and sisters have lived, and we are all health as can be. So there. Excuse me while I go get me a swiss cake roll now.

      • Rob

        I like your diet Mark. I agree with it.
        Fat never hurt anybody. You state you eat REAL FOOD. Thats the key. Real Food.
        Not veggie burgers cooked in partially hydrogenated….Franken Fat, washed down with Chemi Cola

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Ok Rob, I changed my mind about you. Your allright.

  • Norm

    Bob
    You’ve lost touch with reallity.

    In response to your points:

    Who do you think pays for the uninsured now? Try the insured and goverment welfare programs. Having healthcare in the hands of thousands of profit making groups, as we now have, is inefficient and idiotic.
    It was Richard Wagoner who led a fine company (which he did not own) to the brink of disaster. It was also he who then begged the taxpayers for money. The bastard should be in jail.
    Ms Ginsburg only wants to READ what other countries are doing. Seems right to me.
    That’s to stupid to comment on.
    George Bush and company (remember Paulson) started the bailouts. As bad as the are, the alternatives would have been a disaster. People get pretty violent when banks fail. I mean like blood in the streets.

    Norm in Connecticut

    • johnQ

      Is Connecticut still in the United States. Why don’t you vote the traitor Chris Dodd and all the other phonies out of the Senate. Your state and Mass., are a joke. Kennedy is a murdering drunk and the rest of the surrounding states are all a voting joke. Your take on, “blood in the streets”, I mean really have you seen this in the U.S. The only people who don’t tear stuff up are middle Americans trying to make a living. Look at the blood in the street because some minorities didn’t like the Rodney King vote. If those people had jobs they would not have time to do this destruction. No, don’t preach to me you traitor from the North. I thought Obamer is the smartest thing since Einstein. Well, why did he continue to follow Bush’s lead if it were such a mistake. I think Bush made a mistake, but this is Obamer’s first job and he has no idea what he is doing. He can organize a sit down strike, but that is all. Oh yeah I almost forgot. Have Obamer show me his Birth Certificate. He can’t because he was born in Kenya. He has no more being President than you do running a bank.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        On Ted Kennedy and Massachusetts. Funny thing is, I went there last year, and was in different parts of the state 4 times, and I talked to well over 100 people, and kept asking why Ted Kennedy and John Kerry keep getting elected, and every stinking one of them told me “I didnt vote for those son of a bitches”. So if nobody is voting for these scumbags, can someone tell me how these losers continue to get elected year after year, and do nothing but raise taxes and rape the people of the state of Massachusetss. How do they get re-elected. Someone please advise. Thank you.

      • wayne

        Haven’t you realized people’s votes mean nothing. You haven’t heard how many are never counted? Get some truth out of local and state voting headquarters. Paid any attention to Minnesota’s phony election counting? Did anything happen to ACORN for all illegal registrations you think they took legal people to vote. What credibility do you give to all the mail in ballots, heard of the mother in law in Colorado having daughter send in husband’s ballot who was in Iraq. They count and report the number of votes they want. Please explain one reasonable purpose for the illegitimate electoral college. It’s 200 hundred years out of date It’s used as the crooks want. But we must try this way for now, NO INCUMBENTS, let them know. We all need to get involved and ask questions, this fascist party has destroyed in 100 days what took 225 years to have. Watch OBAMA Deception.

  • Kim

    I say…IMPEACH !!!! IMPEACH !!!! IMPEACH !!!!!

    Other than that can someone tell me why Congress couldn’t be sued for violating the Constitution?? This is a serious question. The Constitution says that it is up to Congress to uphold it and the oaths of all elected officials declare this so why could they not ALL be sued for NOT upholding it ??

    • Robert Waldron

      What federal liberal gudge are we going to get to do that?

      • Kim

        I don’t know but what I am asking is… doesn’t the Constitution give redress against Congress for NOT upholding it?

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Because judges and politicians dont care about doing what they are paid to do, they just care about making all the money they can and pushing their agenda down peoples throats. Thats what they do.

      • Victoria

        Mark, it goes far beyond money…it is all about POWER! That is the real secret about this entire scene…POWER!

    • keith

      amen to that! IMPEACH COMRAD OBAMA….DOWN WITH SOCIALISM!

    • Smilee

      reply to: Kim on May 5th, 2009 at 10:08 am:

      Because the constitution forbids it while they are in office. If you do not know this can you explain how it is they are not upholding the constitution. As I read through these comments I am amazed how many act as they are experts on the Constitution but their very own statements strongly suggest they know and understand very little about this document and your very broad statements with out clarification also brings this into question concerning this post of yours. I invite you to explain yourself.

  • Rudi

    Although I agree with much of the sentiment expressed here, and in other letters I have read, it undermines your credibility when you get it wrong. For example, saying that “Obama fired Wagoner”, and “Obama is the majority shareholder”. Funny thing is, I read Michael Moore, of hard-left fame, say EXACTLY the same thing (Obama fired Wagoner). Why do we need to make such errors?

    Just to set it straight on THIS one thing (there are many others that need setting straight as well): The government, not Obama personally, has taken shares in GM and many others who needed money, else they would go bankrupt. Any other “rescuer” would have done the same, and perhaps on even worse terms (for the existing shareholders). The idea is that these companies may be viable, if it weren’t for the extreme stress of the economy and financial markets at the momen (there is a notion that once they’re healthy, off of life-support, they’ll return to being just private companies again. We’ll see…). And the companies believe that help from the government, with all the strings attached (and the ownership dilution as well), is preferable to having a bankruptcy judge sorting them out. I’m not writing to debate the merits of this approach (I’ve got my doubts, but I also have a problem with a blanket, “let ‘em go bankrupt” approach).

    Rather, for those who didn’t read the press on Wagoner’s “firing”, the Treasury asked him to step aside, and as a result of that request, he did. He wasn’t fired, because the Treasury doesn’t have the power and authority to fire him. As noted in the article, he is the CEO of a private company. While there is recent talk about the govt taking a majority stake (GM itself has proposed it – which illustrates how truly pathetic its circumstances are), not only has that not yet happened, but it certainly was not the case when Wagoner stepped aside. That means that Treasury did not have enough shareholder “muscle” to fire him (although to exercise that muscle against an unwilling management, it would have to first get control of the board in a shareholder election, the board would then have to appoint new management, which would then fire the employees whom the controlling shareholders wanted fired to begin with). It’s well known that things didn’t happen this way, so it is undoubtedly true that Wagoner stepped aside without being fired.

    What WAS going on is that, because no sane investor, with screws still holding his head in place, is going to give money to GM in the current circumstance (they KNOW they will lose it), the only entity with even an inkling to help is the government. And the help is necessary to keep them out of bankruptcy. Without the government, GM is toast, and everybody knows it. So when Treasury “suggests” that they’d rather see somebody besides Wagoner at the helm, everybody knows that if Wagoner stays, GM’s prince charming may not be so inclined to be helpful. Knowing this, Wagoner agreed with their “suggestion”.

    They effectively control the company because they are the only ones willing and able to save them. It’s powerful and effective control. If entity A is a terminal case, and entity B is the only one with a working life-support system, then B has a LOT of control over A. But it’s also incorrect, and perhaps disingenuous, to suggest that the govt can just go out and take over ANY company in the same way (not YET, at least), or that the govt has taken over a company that wasn’t already a basket-case to begin with. Is that where we’re headed? Well, that’s a more interesting question… If government policy makes basket-cases out of all private enterprises, then it can control all enterprises, saying with wonderful plausible deniability, “hey, we’re only taking control of the basket-cases…”. We’re not there yet. The question is “where are we going?”.

    • Whatever

      Question, what is wrong with bankruptcy? It is the free market way of dealing with just such financial issues. Bankruptcy is a good way to deal with the situation. Instead, you have an agenda setting government, that is not too keen on the free market system (remember, the current administration tends towards more socialistic ideas than free market ideas) deciding things.

      Take for instance the failed attempt around Chrysler. As I recall (please forgive me if I am incorrect), the Unions and labor got .50 on the dollar, while investors got only .32 on the dollar. Why should investors (who represent a lot of retirement funds) get less than labor unions? A lot of the union costs support such items as full pay for up to about 3 years after a layoff. And these systemic issues were not addressed in the agreement.

      However, in a bankruptcy court, all agreements are thrown out the window, and agreements are put in place with the specific purpose of putting forth a viable and competitive company that can prosper.

      So, in summary, IMHO, the government deals fleece both the taxpayer and the retirement funds that invested in these companies, and do not address the systemic issues that created such problems. No thank-you, I prefer to take my chances in bankruptcy court. Thank-you Oppenheimer Funds for protecting my retirement.

    • http://comcast jow

      I have no problem with Obama’s bailout of the auto companies, I have trouble with his taking them over and firing the CEO. What happens to their shareholders who have a big stake in the companies? Do lenders take over corporations? Does the president of the US take over companies and fire CEO’s? In this administration and only this administration since the inception of this country, yes.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        He didnt fire the CEO, his party did. See, Barrack is just the figure head, so when America wises up, and gets sick of the crap these guys are pulling, the dems will throw him under the bus to protect their own worthless hides. This is how they operate, and the kind of people they are. Fact.

      • http://comcast jow

        He gives his administration what he wants and his cabinet comes up with ways to carry out his orders. The reps in both houses are rubber stamp reps and it is done since there is no checks and balances in the senate or congress.

    • Jackie

      You claim the Treasury doesn’t have the power or authority to fire Wagoner.
      Go to this web site: http://www.riseupforamerica.com/obamadecptionmovie.html
      Watch this movie, check out the statements made, and you will see that the Treasury Department and The Federal Reserve have the power to do far more than you would ever imagine.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Rudi, you sound like a really educated man who did his homework on this thing. Ive researced it some, and I might be wrong, I mean I am human so I know Im not right all the time, but it seems to me that all this bailout money going to these guys, is the old “throwing good money after bad” thing. I mean if say Im running a business, and Ive made so many bad business decisions that I have demonstrated I really dont know how to run a business, why should I be rewarded by someone giving me a bunch of money to pay off my debts, so that I can run my business into the ground again? I mean until these guys make a lot of changes, and I mean a lot, they should have to sink like any other bad business. Let someone else step up that can properly run a business start one up and see what happens. If these guys booted out the unions first off, then trimmed out all the fat on the corporate side, because there is a heck of a lot of that sucking money out of this place, then it might have a chance. But until you clean out all these bloodsucking elements from it, its going to have the same end again. From the corporated guys with all their big old bonuses and pay checks, to the union guys wanting more and more, greed has done them in. I say let some one else have a chance. But I could be wrong, who knows, but it seems to me this is just throwing good money after bad.

  • Aman

    This is going to get worse each and every day. At this point the political system has broken down and the officals are as corrupt and guilty of the very crimes being hatched by the Anti American, Anti white, Anti freedom, Anti Capitalist Muslim believer and sympathizer, Obama! Alright, no one’s going to argue about that. If you are arrested for doing your part to defend freedom and the US Costitution completely disassociate yourself as a citizen of the criminal Obama administration and label yourself instead as a POW! Name only. You will have to know something about guerilla warfare and hence win the hearts and minds of people alike. This won’t be easy. You will have very little exposure, if any. Read your bible! Study history e.g. Washington and the Revolutionairy war. Watch the movie called “The Crossing” with Jeff Daniels. Cleanse your inner spirit and your soul. If you abuse women stop! If your vices are out of control like Porn, drinking, drugs, infidelity, STOP! Seek forgiveness and prepare to face the Blue helmets. But most of all consider yourself a solider just as the WW II heros. There’s a very good TV show on channel 365, Satellite TV, called Apocalyse and the End times. They have very worthy guest who are interviewed about the coming battle between good and evil. They’re on the internet as well at http://WWW.GODTV.COM. Also seek out Alex Jones who’s on the internet too, at INFOWARS.COM Check it out.

    May we live to see better days,
    Yours in Defending Liberty

    Aman

    • Victoria

      Thank you, AMAN, for mentioning Alex Jones and his website. In my entire 62 years of life, I have never seen such THREATS on our LIBERTY as the last few years. The One Worlders and Elitist have to act fast now, because people are finally starting to wake up! I am most definitely educated about what is happening since I have been studying the situation since childhood! I READ and RESEARCH and have almost all of my life. My G’parents and GGparents warned me and the hammer has been “coming down” on our country for a very long time. First without trying to offend any religions (as I am NOT religious), I’d like to remind everyone of our “DOWNFALL”…Division by any means! My ROOTS on all sides of my family go back to 1700 Virginia and earlier! Except for my Native American heritage! Every generation of my family have fought in every war,conflict and uprising, including my brother, deceased USMC huband, female cousin, cousins’ sons, and now my 2 grandsons. I was also an “Army Brat”. I only mention this personal info so maybe just one or two will read this and take me seriously! FOX news is just as controlled as the liberal stations, but by the right wing elite. My cable and satellite have been disconnected for years.
      We need to put our differences aside like the Founders of our country did and concentrate on the true enemies of our liberties, all the while standing up for one another regardless of our differences! If not then we are DOOMED! It is as simple as that. There is no place to run away and hide in…not from the New World Order! I say to everyone that you have some real good ideas here, but many are missing the point and many are just “Preaching to the Choir”. We need to get out and keep getting out and be heard! We may not even have that right much longer. I can assure you of that, because I am called “Old Woman Who Reads”. Listen to Lenard Cohen singing HIS warning poem/song “The Future” put out in the early 90′s! PLEASE wake up and join together. We do not have much longer! Try voting a THIRD PARTY for a real change, and watch Alex Jones’ documentaries along with others.

      GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH! I shall never run from my country when the going gets tough! Nor shall I drink anyone’s cool-aid, right or left wingers! I am right beside you in Defending Liberty!

      • Aman

        Victoria,
        You are as beautiful as you are wise. I know that because you come from Red White and Blue stock! And you are correct about the forming of a Third party.
        But here’s the thing… ” In a time of rampant deciet, telling the truth is a revolutionairy act” George Orwell. Keep this in mind. Victoria… I also have a daughter by that name. BEAUTIFUL!

        Best Wishes,
        Aman

  • JM Thomas

    When O’bama said that we have to do something about the Conservative Christians, he was saying we want no more truth in our country. The Constitution gives us the right of religion, not protection from religion. When right is wrong and wrong is right, a country suffers great consequences, and it appears we are seeing a perfect example.
    There is great concern that we are in control of the “Big Three”, but even more scary that we actually elected them. What part of illegal do they not understand? Not only are we in control of the illegals, but we are also in control of the welfare generations. The schools have been permeated with these ideas, and now our young people believe it is right. They do not know where food comes from, or where a dollar comes from either, because they have been taught to take the hand outs. They think that is “Equal Rights”! They have not read the “pursuit” part of happiness, either. Neither do they understand the consequences of wrong decisions. “Hate Crimes” have become hate truth crimes!

    God bless America again! Stand beside her and guide her with a light from above!

    • Too Afraid to Say

      Very well said.

    • NaNa

      Has anyone seen the “artwork” of obama hanging on the cross????????????? they said it was art, but weren’t going to hang in a museum. Wonder why??/ Couldn’t believe it when I saw it on T.V.. Comments????

      We’re in BIG trouble but God is still in control. The end has already been written…………WE WIN!!!!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Obama is a muslim, and like the rest of them, they want all us Christians dead. Fact, not racist, a fact bred from their own mouths. While we pray for their salvation, they pray for our deaths. I take solace in know that my Father in Heaven, will one day make all wrongs right, and those that have killed and caused this hate against him, will be set straight by Him with the real power.

    • Jackie

      I missed Obama’s statement that we have to do something about Conservative Christians. I’m not sure what was meant by that statement. I do believe however, that Obama is hostile toward Christianity no matter what he says.
      In response to his statement about Conservative Christians I say BRING IT ON!
      God is the Ultimate Authority and in the end, Obama and his followers cannot win. GOD IS IN CONTROL!!!

      • Lady Liberty

        The National Day of Prayer will be silent at The White House this year. That should tell us all something regardless of our religious or non-religious beliefs. Why is it that Islamic countries can be founded on their religion but a country founded on Christanity has to give it up. If anyone dosn’t like our Judeo-Christian principles why don’t they go live in an Islamic country and see what it is like? When we forget that ‘In God We Trust’, we will be condemned to a life of hell!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      The muslims, which he is, all feel that way. They need to silence the Christians, so there will be no more truth to be heard.

    • SSG Prasuhn

      O’bama“?? I thought he was (supposedly) Muslim?? When did he become IRISH?? NOT because of his being Democrat, I’m guessin’??
      This ‘STORY‘ gets stranger all the time. It’s like watching one of those old (Saturday Matinee) TV or movie serials — Remember? The ‘Old Cliff Hangers’???

  • http://bethanylm Larry Carney

    I strongly disagree with the tone of this article. If taken to the extreme, it would lead to complete anarchy. No need for police, no need for government, no need for special protection of the poor from the powerful. It all depends on one’s outlook; we tend in the direction of socialism (I see as concern for one’s neighbor, but this view sees as fascism) or rugged individualism (which I see as encouraging selfishness too much). Sometimes we need more than charity….the thin line between justice and “being free to do my own thing.” Both of our views tend to call it “democracy”. I tend to see the Bush years as closer to real fascism…when the corporate controlled media used slogans to brainwash the people,and the government fed us with lies.

    • Too Afraid to Say

      Boy, you really are reading the wrong papers and looking at the wrong news channels. I watched replays of press conferences during the Bush years. They didn’t even stand up when he entered the room. Of course, when Obama entered the press room Friday, they gave him a standing ovation. Do you listen to MSM??? I will not ever again. They are the ones spewing out propoganda and whitewashing what Obama, et al. are doing. Maybe you’re from a different strain than I am, but I don’t like the MSM’s handling of the election and especially how they don’t even ask Obama real questions that need to be answered. Please, if you hate us, that’s OK. But, be realistic about what Obama is doing to this country and our freedoms. Do you think he should reveal his birth certificate to at least stop the questions about his elligibility to even be President or since it’s “Him,” it’s OK if he isn’t a natural born citizen? I, personally, think we should obide by the Constitution and have the truth about this one question.

      • D.

        obide??

      • Bob Velon

        You will never get the truth. Congress did not step to the plate and challenge him. They are guilty of treason because they never upheld their oath of office to uphold the constitution. The Supreme Court did not nor will they bring any of the lawsuits about his eligibility to be heard. He showed them a Certification of Live Birth which according to Hawaii Land Statute 338-17.8 is not a birth certificate nor is it any indication of Hawaiian birth. Go to google and google it and you will see for yourself. He has all his records sealed and if the truth were know Probably attended college as Barry Soetoro and got a grant as a foreign student. He was born in Mombasa Kenya. The Certification of Live Birth can be given to anyone regardless of place of birth…. Boy did he pull one over on the dumocrats…..

      • http://fseymour@cox.net Frank Seymour

        I don’t know about you, but FOX news is the only media that tells the people of this country more correctly and truthfully, what is really going on in OUR country! What I can’t understand is why, after all is said and done, are the Senators, who aren’t in Obama’s pocket, pushing like hell to prove to the American people that the SOB isn’t a natural born US citizen! If he was, why is he spending millions to keep his birth certificate and birth place a secret from the American people! Push this issue, until the truth is out and the Democratic Party will have to back step! Right now, I don’t believe they listen to anything the American people say or tell them to do! Like one person wrote earlier, they have shredded the Constitution and have been doing so for a long time!

      • Carolyn

        Let’s see…the MEDIA gives Obama a standing ovation??? Wow, now that’s impressive. They’ve been bought and paid for in real dollars and they stand and cheer. Now, for something REALLY noteworthy, watch our men and women in Uniform….copy and paste to your browser if you must.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6epBwrGNhs&feature=related

      • Frank

        I don’t remember who, but someone wrote me and said that our Constitution has been being ripped-up for years, prior to Obama! I believe this is true; however, Obama and his cohorts are blatantly throwing the Constitution in our faces! They are doing whatever the hell they want to do, no matter what the people say! The best example of this is ‘amnesty’! The American people as a whole, have already, on a number of occasions, told the Senate and House not ‘No; but HELL NO!’ to any shape or form of amnesty! Even when moron Mr. Reid and his constituents tried to sneak amnesty into law by attaching it to other bills, mainly the Military Appropriations Bill, we caught it and amnesty was removed before the bill was signed! We have to continue this fight! What is there that these people, who supposedly work for us, don’t understand about the words ‘NO to any type of amnesty’! These people in office right now, especially in the Democratic Party, don’t give a damn what the American people say! They are going to do just exactly what they want to do, unless we can convince the remaining Senators and House Reps to pick up the ball and start rolling it in the other direction! How we do that, well, I believe it is going to take all of us to do something! That, I don’t know what is; but I’m still going to write, call and whatever else I can do to turn this country around! I am only one; but all of us together, I pray, can defeat these crooked assholes!

      • keith

        i think they won’t do anything untill they see and realize that a armed uprising is going to take place.they will only ignore talk.look at the muslims,they only respond to violance.obama has ties to terrororist roots and has been brainwashed by their ideology,you think he is going to listen to talk? nah,i feel only a large concerted uprising will make him step down and release power.he feeds on power and is showing his muslim heritage,they suppress anything that disagrees with their dogma.call me a kook all you want,i don’t give a damn!
        i am a son of liberty and a retired marine and from the south and i despise anyone who is a traiter to our country!hopefully it won’t get to the point of actual possible hostilities,but i am ready to defend my country and what it stands for till the last drop of my blood. i bet george washington is weeping right now and john adams going berserk! THIS COUNTRY WAS NOT FOUNDED ON SOCIALISM,NOR WAS IT INTENDED TO TURN OUT THAT WAY. evil only triumphs when good men do nothing! lets get a backbone and and let ole uncle sam bust him in his chops!

    • Dick

      Larry, now the government controls the corporations and definitely feeds us lies. MSM is essentially state-run, and Pelosi and gang want to silence all public dissent through a “Fairness Doctrine” designed to eliminate opposing points of view in the media. Barney Frank has come out of this mess clean, and Obama promises to “help” (Code word for finance an overwhelming, media assisted campaign) Chris Dodd in his current difficulties in his re-election efforts. Obama wails about executive bonuses at AIG and assures that far larger amounts will go to Fannie May and Freddie Mac executives. George Soros boasts that he is having a “great recession”. All checks and balances are being systematically destroyed. Lemming liberals will continue to blame all problems on Bush. Future elections will be heavily influenced by state-subsidized ACORN and similar organizations. The black vote will be a consistent 15% block vote for the regime. Political class and special interest groups will account for another 20%. That means that all the regime needs for election is 16% of the remaining vote. All protest, such as the Tea Parties, will be condemned and mischaracterized by both the regime and MSM. Things appear to be going well for one group. Perhaps we need a little anarchy.

    • Michelle

      Larry Carney, you are a true morron!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        No kidding. Larry thinks Bush and the republicans controlled the media? What the hell? Everyone knows the media is owned and controlled by the democrats, from ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC, all left, all democrats, all the time. So what the hell is Larry talking about. Crack is Whack Larry.

      • Rob

        Crack may be wack…Mark, but perhaps Larry was referring to the right wing dominated radio news. It is a major influence. I do get more news from the radio that I get from TV.

      • Rob

        Ahh, its spelled Moron…
        Not Morron….Geez..
        We are F**ked

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        All I can say about the radio post you made here Rob, was that Al Gore and many, many, and I mean many liberals have invested money and tried to do their talk shows, but nobody cared to listen to them tell lie after lie after lie. I tell you the truth Rob, if ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC didnt have other programming on them, they WOULD NOT still be in business. Heck man, come on, CNN had to put Glenn Beck on to get their ratings up. And there is one big difference. I have never, and I mean never heard old Katy Couric, and all the liberal news people, say a bad word about some the crap the democrats pull. But I have heard Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, all three, come out and complain openly about some things George Bush did, because they didnt like it and fact was fact. That is why these guys succeed, they deal with truth and fact. Listen to them, and Ill tell you one thing about them. Ive never caught them in a lie. Never. It is a daily thing on the TV channels to hear biased lies over and over again. I was born and raised democrat, but changed over in Reagan’s second term when I started paying attention to politics. The truth is there if one really wants to hear it.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Excuse me Larry, but you have really erred here. The corporate controlled media? Larry, did you not know, that all the media outlets, totally put the beating to Bush and the republicans, except for Fox News. All of them, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, you know Larry, and so do I, that these are all networks owned and endorsed by the Democratic Party. They are all left wing liberal organizations, along with the big papers like the LA Times and the NY Times, and they lied, cheated and lambasted Mr. Bush and his administration unmercifully for 8 years. Their propaganda got Obama elected. Are you kidding me Larry? You can honestly make a statement like this? The corporate controlled media brainwashed the public and the government fed us lies? Damn right they did Larry, but somehow in your mind, something isnt clicking. I mean for 8 years they down talked Bush, downtalked the war to keep us safe, downtalked the economy, even though it was at record highs. What they did was brainwashed the uneducated public into thinking it was all bad, then started humming Kum-Ba-Ya with change-change-change, and the uneducated bought into this propaganda. But Larry, your so confused. The media is the property of the left wing liberals democrats, always has been and always will be, and anyone with a half a brain knows this. So for you to try to link Bush with the left wing media standing up on his side, where in the hell have you been Larry. For God’s sake man, when that crack pipe comes around, dont take it this time. Un-stinking believeable. Obviously, yet another prime example, of the uneducated left, trying to slip their lies through, but not today baby. We do our studying around here. We are real Americans, not those swayed by newspapers articles like the left wing liberal appeasing pacifists.

    • Lady Liberty

      Larry Carney are you for real? The left controls the media. Socialism has nothing to do with caring for your neighbor. We are a long way from anarchy. What would have happened if instead of a Revolution we had toed the line and allowed a German king to continue his domination of our fore-fathers? Anarchy is the Taliban and Somali pirates, Al Queda and Hezbollah. Wanting to save our country is not facism. Remember this ‘ A Government big enough to give you all you want is also able to take all you have’. When the government hands out to the people it comes at a price. You become a slave to that government, you are no longer your own master.

  • Thom

    When I swore an oath to ” protect and defend the constitution from all enemies fireign and domestic” I never realized that the leaders of those enemies would be Obama, Biden, Peliso and Reid… God help us all.
    America, if it is not too late, wake up… elections have consequences….

    • Rob

      I never realized that the leaders of those enemies would be Obama, Biden, Peliso and Reid… God help us all.
      AND Bush, and Cheney, Clinton, Gore and Bush, and Quale, and Carter…Nixon…

      Wake up!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Hey Rob, help me here. On another post, youve written that Bush took my bill or rights from me with the Patriot Act. I guess maybe I dont know enough about it, so I need to know what Ive lost from this, that I dont know Ive lost. Im not being a smart ass, I just am not aware of losing any rights or anything, so I would kind of like to know what I lost. All I was aware of was that they could wiretap my phone, which aint no big deal to me. I wish they would tap everyones and catch these terrorists bastards comunicating before they kill more of us. But I could care less about that. Is there more I dont know about? Fill me in please. Thank you.

      • Rob

        Bush did away with habeas corpus. Nobody cares what happens to terrorists, myself included. But should you find yourself falsely accused of domestic terrorism, you may. And this is important, according to the Missouri List {http://www.scribd.com/doc/13290698/The-Modern-Militia-MovementMissouri-MIAC-Strategic-Report-20Feb09-} even those supporting Ron Paul, are profiled as potential domestic terrorists. Tea Partiers, potential domestic terrorists, the list goes on. And you are aware that the Bush administration was illegally wiretapping American citizens. They have granted themselves the “right” to enter your house, or business without a warrent, when you are not home, look for “evidence” copy your hard drive, and leave without you ever knowing. If we are accused of a certain class of crimes, such as those relating to terrorism, drug dealing or RICO, we have lost a substancial part of our rights to due process. There were never supposed to be different classes of due process. The Patroit Act is a massive expansion of RICO. The federal government is now able to gather highly personal information about you, such as gun purchase records, MEDICAL information, ect without criminal suspicion. The definition of domestic protest has been expanded to include Political Protest. http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/17577prs20050322.html

      • Rob

        In my last sentence in my comment above, I said domestic protest. I meant Domestic Terrorism. The definition of Domestic Terrorism, has been expanded to include Political Protest.

        Imagine Martin Luther King, being charged with Domestic Terrorism, just because he protested inequality for black Americans.

        If the Patroit Act existed in the 1960′s. black Americans today, would still be sitting in the back of the bus.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Thats all fine and dandy Rob, but that doesnt concern me much. If I come home and catch someone in my house that doesnt belong there, I shoot them dead, because dead men dont tell lies, and say they threatened me, end of story. Wire taps are cool with me, Ive nothing to hide but others do, and I want them caught. I am more concerned with things like the dems wanting to shut down talk radio, to silence people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck, and keep all of us from hearing the truth. This is dangerous to try to silence one side over the other, very dangerous stuff, and I dont care where your political alliance is, if you take away someones freedom of speech like this, you can take it from anyone. It is communism and socialism in its purest form, and those in power are practicing it, and want continued power and are taking steps to get it. Even if your a left wing liberal like you obviously are, you help these guys get what they want, you will eventually be slapped to the curb also, and told what you are going to do and how you are going to do it, so be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

      • Rob

        Mark,
        You just do not understand where I am coming from. I am not a left wing liberal. I am an Independent conservative.

        You are correct in saying that it is dangerous to try to silence one side over the other.

        It matters little that you have nothing to hide. The whole point is you have lost certain rights. If they were to ban gun purchases, and you have no intention in buying a gun, and are therefore totally unaffected, you have still lost that right.

        The Forth Amendment states:
        The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

        SHALL NOT BE VIOLATED!
        You are very correct to be worried about First Amendment free speech violations, but what about the others? Unreasonable searches and seizures without suspicion of wrong doing, without probable cause, is also very communist. This amendment is very important. In colonial times, the British conducted unreasonable searches and seizures of colonist’s homes. Thats why they felt this was so important to include in the Bill of Rights.
        I am unwilling to trade constitutional rights for safety. I am unwilling to throw them away just to catch “terrorists.”
        That hardly makes me a liberal.

      • Rob

        And ah, Mark, you cannot shoot federal agents.
        If you come home and find them in your house, you can’t shoot them.
        Sorry.
        Rob

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      This is the reason why uneducated kids and illegal aliens shouldnt be allowed to vote. Take away those uneducated votes of these two groups, and there is a different outcome.

  • http://fseymour@cox.net Frank Seymour

    I am dead set against Obama and his Democratic Party! Don’t get me wrong, there are some Republicans that aren’t much better; but Obama and Reid and Pelosi are either Communists or they are the most ANTI-AMERICAN politicians this government has ever allowed in office! I don’t believe Obama is in office legally. He is spending millions to keep his birth certificate and birth place, a secret from the American people! Doesn’t that alone turn-on a light bulb in someones brain, that this individual is hiding something! This Democratic Party doesn’t want to govern this nation along with the American people! They want total control over everything! They want to RULE this country! If the American people and the few honest politicians we may have left, don’t start standing up for our rights, this country is doomed! REID and PELOSI are working hard to literally give our Social Security and Medicare benefits to any illegal alien or immigrant they can find! How American is that? We work our asses off for about 40 years of our lives to earn these benefits, which by the way the government is cheating us out of anyway, just to hand them over to illegal aliens/immigrants for free! I have to quit for now, I’m blistering hot about the way this Democratic Party is shredding our Constitution! Our government used to be ‘government for the people by the people’! Now it more resembles a ‘government for government, run by the Democratic Party for the Democratic Party and to HELL with what the people say or want’! Reid and Pelosi are PRIME examples of this statement!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Obama, Reid and Pelosi are “allowed” into office, they were voted there by uneducated Americans, know better by the moniker of “democrat”. After these people appear on the public scene, and show the absurdity of their character, and revealed how flawed their thinking is, and how evil their intents are, then these same undeducated democrats, re-elect them. It all starts with two things, the failure of the family in this country, and the failure of the education system. The left runs the schools, and our children are brought up believing in gay is ok, that a bird shit on a rock and the sun fermented it and we were formed, instead of being taught that God created us. They teach our kids tolerance, and that to fail is as good as succeeding, but dont reward those who suceed, because it will make those who fail feel bad. I mean come one allready. When kids are constantly bombarded with this crap, they grow up in that gray area where everything is allright, and there is no line between wrong and right, good and bad, God and evil. Its all this big gray area, live and let live, dont stand for something, rather fall for anything. So our youth grows up and become democrats, who have never been taught the truth, or been taught to seek out the truth. Until you know God, and invite Jesus Christ into your heart, the light will not be in you, and you will be in the darkness and you cant see. How can one see the truth, when the truth is not in him? Until your eyes and ears are opened by the Holy Spirit entering into you, you will never know right from wrong. This is being perpetuated throughout our society, where God isnt allowed in so many places, that without the family instilling the belief in the God that loves us and created us, and a school system that has our kids 8 hours a day teaching them things that destroys the family even more, its no wonder we have gotten to where we are now. Its no wonder there are so many uneducated democrats walking around the the darkness. Funny thing is, I know some democrats who go to certain churches every sunday, and claim to know God. There are hypocrits in everywalk, everywhere. There is no way someone can tell me that they love Jesus Christ, and turn around and vote democrat. No way, no how. You cannot Love the Lord, and turn around and vote for killing innocent babies, vote for giving gays special rules and regulations, for giving comfort to the enemy, calling spreading Gods word a hate crime, kicking God out of school, out of government, and out of public places. Yes, these are all things the democrats not only do, but fully endorse and stand behind doing, and even push to do them. You cant stradle the fence folks. Your either in or your not. Think about it.

    • http://http josi

      Right on Frank! I am just as angry as you and I try to remember the scripture “e angry and sin not” I think god is angry too.

    • Rob

      Yeah Frank, thats whats happening. Get over your outrage, and start doing something about it. Its been going on a very long time, and people are still chasing their tails and complaining about the injustice. They cannot seem to get over the idea that its just so unfair…Well get over it.

      Frank, the constitution has been getting shredded for a very long time. It took a real beating under the Partoit Act.
      Not enough people complained. Now we got stuck with this…Obama. Its too late Frank.
      You should have been outraged sooner.

      So many people put false trust that the Republicans are going to save them, or the Democrats are going to save them.
      No party is gonna save you.

      • http://fseymour@cox.net Frank Seymour

        I don’t rely on either Party! There are crooks in both, it just so happens though, that the Democrats are more blatant about what they are doing! They damn sure don’t serve the people they work for! Everything is for them and only them and they could give a shit less as to what the American people say or tell them what we want! Some how, some where and some one is going to pop up to start getting our country back on the right path! All ‘REAL’ Americans have to ban together, just as the did when we became a nation, to stop this fleecing of America!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I guess maybe I dont know all I need to about the Patriot Act, but from what I seen it do benefited the United States of America. But maybe there is stuff about it I dont know, so Rob, you keep citing it having taken our Bill of Rights away and its all Bush’s fault, so please expound on this and let me know what Ive lost, as I havent seen or felt any loss yet, and Im not aware of any loss yet, so Im wondering what Ive lost that I dont know Ive lost. Please educate me.

      • Frank

        I won’t get over it! I’m one of manyand I’ll keep on bitching/fighting and writing letters, like many of my friends do, until someone in a higher position has the balls to stand up and take-on Obama and his crooked cohorts! Get over it, you have got to be kidding! I’m not about to turn the other cheek! The fight is on and I will do whatever I can to back whoever is leading the revolution! Letter writing, for now is all we can do; but I suspect things will be different in the near future! I pray we don’t have to have another all out revolution; but if that is what it takes to get the American people’s eyes open to what Obama and his cohorts are doing to our country, including the Supreme Court, so be it! The news media is a good place to start! Get the media to air the truth, not what the Democratic Party tells them to air! We need to get everybody informed of the graft and corruption in the Whitehouse/government and that means getting the media to tell both sides, not just the Democratic point of view! There are still a number of good, God fearing men and women in our government and I still have faith that change for the better is in the future! I won’t give up without a fight, no matter what! If you prefer to get over it, be my guest! I have more self pride and I have served this country for 21 years in the Navy and also 20 years Civil Service for the Navy! I have many friends, just like me, who will never say ‘uncle’!

      • Rob

        Frank,
        Seems like you didn’t really grasp what I was saying….
        Writing letters is fine. But who are you sending them to?
        You do seem stuck in the blame game. Thats what I have been complaining about.
        The blame game. Republicans blame it all on the democrats, and democrats blame it all on the republicans, and around and around it goes, nothing ever gets solved. Its gone on for decades. Reread what I posted above. I said no party is gonna save you. Or me. They are BOTH corrupt.
        Its like asking the theif to conduct a criminal investigation of his own crime. What do you think the outcome will be?
        So send letters, I understand your frustration, but they are going nowhere.
        My best guess, just keep voting them all out of office. 1 term, then their gone. Even the good ones, get them out of Washington before they get corrupted. They longer they stay in Washington, the more connections, and special arrangements they make with special interest groups.
        The last obstacle at that point is voter fraud.
        I get upset, because when Clinton left office, he left us with a balanced budget and a surplus. Attack Clinton all you want, but you cannot argue that a balanced budget wasn’t a good thing. Clinton did leave us with that. At that time I actually believed we could pay off the national debt with the surplus. For 8 years President Bush ran massive deficits. Surplus, long gone. For 8 years, hardly a peep from republican voters. Now, we have Obama. He’s like Bush on steroids. There is no hope at this point. The way Obama is spending, will lead to a dollar collapse in a few short years. Short term, I think we will see an uptick in economic activity, and democrats will herold Obama’s genious as the economy rockets upwards, running on pure credit. But that will end. And when it does, the dollar will be in tatters. THAT worries me. If you are holding dollars, if you have money in the bank, you will find yourself pennyless. Broke. This economic mess, was not created by President Obama, but it is being exploited by President Obama. President Obama is going to push it over the cliff. There is way too much debt in the system to save it now. Even the Chinese don’t want to finance our debt anymore. Now we are monitising our own debt.
        We are buying our own debt from ourselves. Its a last ditch effort. I do think its too late. I am just wondering what their end game is.

    • Lady Liberty

      The far left democrats are no fools. They have climed to power with the help mindless Americans. It is no coincidence that 97% of Blacks and 54% of Hispanics voted for Obama. They are historically the less fortunate and see Obama as their saviour. The minority have been given so much power that they now dictate government policy aided by a gropu of people that seek to over throw our democracy. Pelosi, Reid others are financed by Soros and Lewis who make no attempt to disguise their true agenda. In the new America Soros will be king because ‘We The People’ have no clue about what he is doing. He pushes for the prosecution of Bush and Cheney to draw our attention away from what the secular-progressives are doing. Our way of life is not being guided by ‘political correctness’ but by the extremist fanatics behind the scenes. They prey on our sense of decency in order to effect the ‘change’ they want. If you speak against the leftist loons you are branded a racist bigot. Wake up you huddled masses and take back the country that your ancestors fought so hard for.

      • Jackie

        I agree that the push to prosecute over waterboarding is simply a distraction and we do need to wake up and see it for that. In the background, congress is pushing to pass Cap & Trade which will cripple average americans. You electric bill will “necessarily skyrocket” (Obama’s words not mine). All of this in the name of global warming. Research the internet and you will find tens of thousands of reputable scientist that believe global warming is a scam! Take the information you find, send it to your representatives and demand a national debate!!! They think were stupid, it is our job to show them we are not. If enough of us respond, eventually they will listen or get voted out. George Washington lost many battles, but his perseverance won the war. DON’T GIVE UP. INSTEAD SPEAK UP!!!

      • Frank

        I couldn’t agree with you more! We have way too many bleeding heart liberals, who actually do see moron Obama as their saviour and guru! If they could only see the end of the tunnel! Obama is taking this country over, just as Hitler took over Germany! If the American people, as a whole, allow this to happen, it will definitely be the end of the ‘American Way’ of life!

    • Bob Velon

      I agree with all you say Frank. Obama, the usurper, AKA Barry Soetoro was not elected legally. Congress did not even challenge him nor did they even give his “Certification of Live Birth a second thought. My two representatives, Sen. Feinstein and Sen. Boxer both told me that had seen his Cetification of Live Birth and were satisfied he was legal. Of course I told them to look up Hawaii Land Statute 338-17.8 and they would find it is not a birth certificate nor is it accepted in Hawaii as a birth certificate. You can record a birth certificate from any country with Hawaiian Heath and receive a certification of live birth. So where is his real birth certificate from, Kenya? His name was legally changed from Barack Obama to Barry Soetoro when he was adopted. Was it ever legally changed back to Obama? He has a bevy of law firms to fight any lawsuit to compell him to show his birth certificate. The Supreme Court will not hear any lawsuit against him regarding his eligibility. As far as I am concerned Congress and the Supreme Court are traitors and did not uphold the oath they took to uphold our constitution. When and if the Patriots ever take over Washington D.C. they should all be stood against the wall. I am coming to the conculsion that the only way we the people will ever get our country back is at the end of a gun barrel. The usurper doesn’t care crap about our constitution and would take away our 2nd amendment in a second if he thought he could. He tried it in Illinois and it got defeated and look at his agenda with abortion. He is a socialist dictator and wants to turn this country into a socialist country.

      They say that when the people fear the government that is tyranny. When the government fears the people that is liberty. Let the bells of liberty ring..

  • Too Afraid to Say

    As I watch, listen and read the news of what Obama, et al. are doing to our Country, I am in total disbelief. With the new hate crime law, the takeover of private corporations, the usurpation of the presidency by an incompetent man who will not reveal his country of birth, and on and on, I am saddened by what I see. Last night, I prayed for this Country and its citizens for we are being taken over by the most perverted, corrupt government I have seen in my lifetime. The fast-tracking of legislation and ignoring the rights of the people, we are witnessing the slow death of our nation as we “older ones” have known it and enjoyed the freedoms it offered. If something doesn’t happen soon, we will be policed from the moment we wake up til the moment we go to sleep, they will come and take our children from us and force them into an education where they will indoctrinated with their propoganda. I have never even vacationed out of the country, but now, I’m looking for a safe place to move to OUT OF THE COUNTRY. God Save Us for We May Not be able to Save Ourselves. We must unite now or look back in sorrow for what we let slip through our fingers. Think of our children and their children, don’t we want the same freedoms for them as we enjoyed???

    • John

      Amen!

      • Too Afraid to Say

        Thank you John. I worry everyday about our nation and our children. I have lived for 50 years as a free “person” and able to go about my life pursuing my dreams and ambitions. If I didn’t succeed, it was my own fault. Now, I fear we will not have the freedom to pursue our dreams, but we will be forced to work for the dreams of our government and as we already know, they do not have the working people in their realm of dreams…we are the dumbies who will be working to give to those who don’t work what they dream of. I have already submitted retirement papers where I work so I won’t be taxed more and more and pay for those who do not work. So, I am taking actions to reduce my taxes now instead of waiting until it’s too late to do so. Thanks, Obama…since you’ve taken office, I am leaving my job to avoid your excessive taxation and will live a life of relaxation pursuing my new dreams and ambitions in a different way…

      • II Chronicles 7:14 – gives us the solution!. R U listening?

        Too Afraid to Say,
        I don’t want to rain on your parade, but please familiarize yourself with H.R. 1444 which goes the next step where H.R.1388 (GIVE Act, aka, ‘B.O. Youth Corps) leaves off. It contains ‘Mandatory Volunteerism’ for youth AND SENIORS starting at the age of 55 yrs. The GIVE Act is now law just signed by B.O. in April. Following it up now in Congress is H.R. 1444. It puts a whole new perspective on what we always thought would be the ‘golden years’.

        There is nowhere to run but to God in repentance for having taken His blessings for granted, selfish living, the slaughter of our youngest and most vulnerable and kicking Him out of our lives, schools, halls of power, and yes, even from our churches where pastors have exchanged their freedom of speech for a tax-exemption.

        II Chronicles 7:14 gives the solution….R WE LISTENING? Our God is rich in mercy if we but turn back to Him. A broken, contrite heart He will not turn away.

      • Lady Liberty

        H.R. 14444: To establish the Congressional Commission on Civic Service to study methods of improving and promoting volunteerism and national service, and for other purposes. H.R. 1388: The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act: A bill entitled “The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, an Act to reauthorize and reform the national service laws.”

    • Rob

      Well Too Afraid To Say, this new development did not just happen overnight.
      Each Administration lays the groundwork for the next. With each new abuse of power, that goes unpunished, the next Administration assumes it can push a little further.
      I am simply amazed that people are so stunned at all the new changes going on under Obama.

      Where was your shock when Bush was gutting the Bill of Rights?
      Bush was a conservative, and in your small mind, you think conservatives preserve individual rights, so you were not paying attention.

      Go back to sleep. You have no business waking up now. Its too late.
      By giving Bush a pass, and all the others before him, you signaled to an upcoming Barak Obama and democratic party, that they could in fact pull off this most grevious abridgement of rights.
      Too late…

      • Too Afraid to Say

        Well, I haven’t given anyone a pass. I don’t understand why you have to be so condescending? You don’t know me and you assume I have given Bush a pass. I am as upset with Bush as anyone. If you think for one moment that I have been asleep, then you’re wrong. But, of course, some people just want to put others in a slot and ignore their right to feel and express those feelings in whatever way they do. Just because we have differing opinions, so be it. You can put me down, say whatever you want, but I truly care what happens to the rights of individuals. Where in my post did I give anyone a pass? Your assumptions about me are dead wrong. You go back to sleep and when you wake up, I hope it is with a better disposition.

      • Rob

        I am sorry Too Afraid to Say. I misjudged you.

        Its just that I get so sick of hearing all this new outrage from conservatives about lost rights. We have been losing our rights through gradualism for a long time.

        I didn’t mean to take it out on you, I guess I was just taking a swing at everyone thats been irritating me.

        Actually judging from you last comment, I would say your veiws concerning our present political situation are closer to mine than most people’s.

        Sorry dude.

      • Lady Liberty

        It’s never too late. We can reverse the direction but it will take Patriotic Americans whose family roots go back to the early days of our nation. We have allowed our country to be dilluted with people that have no love for our founding fathers………………. To deem a child born in this country, to parents that are non-citizens, an American Citizen is suicide. We are reaping what we have sown and it is biting us in the butt.

      • Rob

        You are exactly right Lady Liberty. Parts of my family have been here since the beginning.
        I just don’t know that there are enough of us.
        We need to post more solutions on just how to accomplish this.
        Keep voting them out of office, and keep pressuring them. And no more party loyalty.

      • Bob Velon

        Well Lady Liberty it is going to take Patriots who will stand up and fight to regain this country. That will be the only way you can reverse direction. The Dumborats are still standing in line for their handouts. Now that they are in control we will pay for it and they will continue to take any and all rights away from us and bend the constitution to their desire.

    • SSG Prasuhn

      Well…If the distance is of no consequence and you like warm weather, mild breezes, the beach, enjoy a leisurely life-style and not in a hurry to get everything done and can speak (some) French — TAHITI is a ‘very’ nice place! Even if you don’t speak French, ‘they’ speak pretty good English (mosthly due to the tourist trade from all the cruise ships coming into port).

      The GREATEST thing about Tahitit — besides the ocean, beaches, warm water, etc.????? NO LAWYERS!!! It’s all run by ‘tribal law’, even though they are under ‘French Rule’ — Much like American Samoa or the Phillipines are (under) ‘American Rule’. It’s BEAUTFUL there!!! Guaranteed!!
      (or at least it was in 2003) And, I believe your retirement dollar will go farther.

    • Smilee

      Too Afraid to Say on May 5th, 2009 at 9:21 am:

      Well older one I am eighteen years older than you and find your assessment of things totally incorrect. He has his birth certificate posted on his website, factcheck.org has verified it and the courts have dismissed the law suits brought by those who believe as you do for lack of evidence. What does it take to convince you you are wrong on this?? if you cannot believe this with the facts so overwhelming it is not hard to understand your conclusions on all else you write about here. If you do actually move out of the County let me be amongst the first to wish you a very nice life and I hope it has the same freedoms you abandoned.

  • Robin from Indiana

    I would like to know if all those who have health care now, which I carry for my family through my employer, and pay quite a little bit for it, what would happen if I choose not to insure my family? I would rather not have to pay out of pocket for health care. Obama has a way of rushing things. It’s his way of getting things the way he wants them. If anyone knows if there is a income restriction or whatever the basis of this reform is going to be, it would be great to know. I believe that the health care providers, whether they be doctors, or hospitals, are not going to be pleased with these changes either.

    • Judith

      Obamas health plan with insurance companies is not what Americans want. They said that over and over. The rush is always the con in DC.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        His is a piss poor black man. He was a piss poor community organizer, a piss poor basketball player, a piss poor Senator who did nothing but collect bribes and dirty money, and he is a piss poor president. What were you people thinking? Change. Right.

      • Smilee

        Mark

        I think these statements of yours proves my point that you do really hate this man. I believe that although he cannot be considered real rich he is far form poor, Where is the evidence he was a poor organizer, those whom he helped say differently. I will not comment on the rest of your hateful statements as they are just your opinions of which the majority of the people in this country do not agree with you on. It is change you will have to live with

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I know Smilee, when he gets done, all Ill have left is change. That is a fact. I make 50 thousand a year, and Im considered rich in his eyes. Well, not really his eyes, his parties eyes.

    • Lady Liberty

      i WOULD IMAGINE THAT HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR PAYCHECK AS A % OF WHAT YOU EARN. THE MORE YOU EARN THE MORE YOU PAY. THAT’S HOW IT WORKS IN THE UK. AMERICANS THINK THAT IT WILL BE FREE. WELL, IT WILL BE FOR THOSE THAT DON’T WORK. ANOTHER CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THOSE THAT ARE WILLING TO WORK WILL PROVIDE FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT. OH, BY THE WAY, YOU WILL ALSO BE PAYING THE COST FOR ILLEGALS.

      • Smilee

        reply to: Lady Liberty Reply: May 6th, 2009 at 7:47 am

        Lady Liberty

        Nobody thinks it will be free, those in most other countries know that too, the difference being they do it at half the cost with better outcomes and cover all citizens. Some do it with taxes but then there are no premiums to pay. Today in the US for those with coverage that premium is about a $3,000.00 per family per month, they do not pay that in these other countries and if their tax portion reflects their medical costs at half that amount, it would then average about $1,500.00 per month per family there. When I talk to friends and relatives in some of these countries (including the UK) they think we are nuts the way we deliver medical care in the US. The US is now 37th from the top in health care outcomes. The question should be what are we doing wrong??? Why should it cost so much more here????? It amazes me that you people are more interested in supporting a failed system rather than finding solutions to this problem. Each paying the same proportion (percentage) for medical costs is equality, same=equal. It appears you feel that the disabled and elderly or any who who are unable to work should be denied these benefits. For those who can’t work, how would you suggest they pay for their medical coverage????? Or should we just let them suffer or worse just die. Does selfish=liberty for all, Lady Liberty

  • John Beach

    We can put a stop to this. Just sue them in the name of and for the benefit of the People’s Republic of China and put them right out of business. It is no less sensible or patriotic than what they are trying to do.

  • t. tinsman

    Bob, We need to connect dots. Problem is the dots are very big. I call them points if treason……

    I’ve also heard that the govt census is being taken by Acorn ? How is it a arm of a party ( dems) can do this without bias ? or legally? Also, I’ve heard that in this census, they are placing GPS locaters on all homes ( doors)..if true, why?

    Very concerned, a 64 yr old….
    I want my country back.

    • Lady Liberty

      The secular-progressives are responsible for stealing our freedom. Groups like Acorn, the ACLU and MoveOn.org are just ‘fronts’ for an evil network that is funded by Soros and Lewis. They have a plan that is well underway and will take our American vales and our country from us.

      • John

        Where are the conservatives during this hostile takeover of our beloved America?
        If all the churches, believers, and conservatives united together, we could put an end to this insanity that is going on in Washington DC. Our freedom is being taken from us one policy at a time! And, it’s headed by a man that won’t provide a birth certificate to prove he’s a natural born citizen of the US. We are experiencing high treason right before our very eyes. God, help us!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        That is our biggest problem John, is that the liberal left-wing democrats dont want God to be allowed anywhere. All though He is our breath and our live, our only hope, these anti american godless people, think its a hate crime to tell the truth that God says “for a man to lie with another man as he would with a woman is an abomination to the Lord”. The Good Book, the Holy Bible tells us this, but this current administration wants to pass laws that if a preacher is doing a series or a one time sermon that touches on the topic of homo-sexuality, that he can be jailed for a hate crime, for telling the simple God given truth. God’s hand is slowly being removed from this country, and the more and more the left make us perverted and decadent, we will crumble as did the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire and the Medo-Persian Empires before us, whom all grew so perverted and decadent that God handed them over to a lesser enemy. Learn from history folks, or you are doomed to repeat it. Call me a “Bible Thumper” if you want to, but truth is the truth, and those of you that think there is no God, and you want to live like Sodom and Gomorrah, well, it didnt turn out to good for them. Again, learn from history or you are doomed to repeat it. You put Bill Clinton in there, and while he slept in office, with all those different women no doubt, the enemy came and set up shop, and blew up the World Trade Centers on 9-11. Now you same dummies put another left wing appeaser pacifist in there. Again, if you dont learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. Im glad I dont live in a big city, but Ill pray for those that do. Its coming, as our leaders are once again asleep in their prideful arrogance, that they can sweet talk these guys like they did the uneducated Americans to get elected. These guys wont buy into your change-change-change thing though, because they are pacifist anti war appeasers. They are cold blooded terrorists, and they want you and I dead, and our current leaders want to sit down and have lunch and a glass of wine with them. Nice. Real Nice. Folks, please do me and all of American a really big huge favor. Next time you get the opportunity, to step into that little voting booth, beforehand, study and little bit and get some back ground on the candidates and who they are and what they stand for, and what kind of a person they are, before you pull that little lever. Get educated please.

      • Rob

        Where are the conservatives, {do you mean Republicans?} during this hostile takeover?? You have got to be kidding me…

        Busy writing the next draft of the Patroit Act, or wiretapping you with no warrent. Its not the Democrats, its not the Republicans……ITS BOTH PARTIES!!! BOTH PARTIES are taking us down!

        RISE ABOVE IT. SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

        STOP PLAYING the Democrat vs Republican stupid blame game.

        ON THE BIG ISSUES, DEMOCRATES AND REPUBLICANS ARE THE SAME!
        They just employ different methods. Some overt, some subtile.

        Wise up…

      • Rob

        John, we experienced high treason when George Bush stole the election in 2000.
        This is simply more of the same, comendeering of government.

        If all the Churches, believers and conservatives united together, John, John!, what would we then have? Come on, you must have an answer….

        We would then have a 1 party system!

        Would that be better than the dysfunctional 2 party system that does not serve us that we have now?

        I hardly think so…

        The founders believed in seperation of power. Thats a sound concept.
        Getting rid of the opposition never helped government.

        What you are really looking for my misguided fool, is real opposition, not this republican party business as usual crap….
        Get a clue.
        Religion is for home, not for government!

      • Lady Liberty

        WHEN THE CONSERVATIVES SPEAK UP THEY ARE LABELLED AS RACISTS AND BIGOTS OR, IN THE CASE OF BARNEY FRANK, AS HOMOPHOBES……………………………

      • Whizzie

        John – you are right on. All this wonderful “twitter” is interesting to read, but the bottom line is we have to get out there and work for 2010. Vet and Support good candidates and make sure ACORN doesn’t infiltrate our communities, and swing the elections. And put our words into serious actions. I have sent more e-mails, faxes, and phone calls to Washington in the last 3 months than I have in the last 65 years!! And I’m not sure I’m making any impact whatsoever. I joined a Tea Party celebration, had a wonderful time, and found out the next day that Napolitano labeled me a right wing extremeist!! Well, I AM and damn proud of it!

      • Smilee

        Mark

        A bible thumper to me is one who uses the bible to spin their own views on how to control and punish those whose sins you find deplorable while being very touchy of any mention of their your sins, you do not seem to see your own sins as equally as deplorable as theirs. I see you as a very angry man who vents hatred on those who sins you view as being far worse than your own. Do not bear false witness against your neighbor. I personally know many liberals who are true believers neither anti American or godless and have no objection to or want God excluded, however because they are Christians they also believe they should respect the religious beliefs of those that may not agree with them or are not Christians and as the Constitution can not select one religious belief over another due to the first amendment you can not be allowed to allow God in areas that are owned by the public because you as well as those who disagree with you have equal rights to these areas. This is very different than not wanting God allowed as you assert. You quote the Bible on some things but ignore parts of the Bible that are more relevant to many of these issues. I am a democrat and I am a christian and it is clear from your statements here that you do not appear as educated as you want us to believe and further I am very educated but un like you I respect others freedoms. As Christians I believe we are to withness for him but we are not required to be his juries, judges or executioners. I do not think we disagree on what is sin, it just you appear to see others sins as far worse that your own which I do not believe they are. If you cannot respect all of God’s children, be careful of thowing stones if you live in glass houses.

        Mark Reply:
        May 5th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

        That is our biggest problem John, is that the liberal left-wing democrats dont want God to be allowed anywhere. All though He is our breath and our live, our only hope, these anti american godless people, think its a hate crime to tell the truth that God says “for a man to lie with another man as he would with a woman is an abomination to the Lord”. The Good Book, the Holy Bible tells us this, but this current administration wants to pass laws that if a preacher is doing a series or a one time sermon that touches on the topic of homo-sexuality, that he can be jailed for a hate crime, for telling the simple God given truth. God’s hand is slowly being removed from this country, and the more and more the left make us perverted and decadent, we will crumble as did the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire and the Medo-Persian Empires before us, whom all grew so perverted and decadent that God handed them over to a lesser enemy. Learn from history folks, or you are doomed to repeat it. Call me a “Bible Thumper” if you want to, but truth is the truth, and those of you that think there is no God, and you want to live like Sodom and Gomorrah, well, it didnt turn out to good for them. Again, learn from history or you are doomed to repeat it. You put Bill Clinton in there, and while he slept in office, with all those different women no doubt, the enemy came and set up shop, and blew up the World Trade Centers on 9-11. Now you same dummies put another left wing appeaser pacifist in there. Again, if you dont learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. Im glad I dont live in a big city, but Ill pray for those that do. Its coming, as our leaders are once again asleep in their prideful arrogance, that they can sweet talk these guys like they did the uneducated Americans to get elected. These guys wont buy into your change-change-change thing though, because they are pacifist anti war appeasers. They are cold blooded terrorists, and they want you and I dead, and our current leaders want to sit down and have lunch and a glass of wine with them. Nice. Real Nice. Folks, please do me and all of American a really big huge favor. Next time you get the opportunity, to step into that little voting booth, beforehand, study and little bit and get some back ground on the candidates and who they are and what they stand for, and what kind of a person they are, before you pull that little lever. Get educated please.

    • K. Coulter

      Just thought I’d let you know the census people were at our house last Friday. They did not put a GPS locater on our door but did put the coordinates of our house in a GPS. Again why? I do not think the government needs this kind of information either.
      I believe people need to remember the government works for us not the other way around. More TEA parties are planned and I think every American should join at least one. We will not go down without a fight.

      • Judith

        Agreed. All those privite companies doing government business is for profit not our best interests.

        Emanuel decided the census should be controlled by him and not be political is a sign or the corruption in DC.

      • Bob Velon

        They did that so they know what house to go to when they want to goose step up your front porch to search for guns…… It’s coming….

      • SSG Prasuhn

        Let ‘em come! You come to my door with ill intent and uninvited (government or no government) — YOU’RE DEAD!!!

        The last thing your’ll hear after ringing my doorbell (or worse…breaking in my door) is…….B A N G ! ! ! B A N G ! ! ! — YOU’RE DEAD!!!

        ‘Nuff Said’,

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Fricking ACORN. How can such an un-American organization exist in the country, and what they do not be considered a hate crime? How can the ACLU exist, and what they do against Christians and God not be considered a hate crime? Weve got it all wrong, so so wrong.

      • Seth

        Totally Agree.

      • Seth

        Having read the majority of comments here, I truly believe revolution may now be on the way. I am obsolutely ill about this government. The pure evil stench has reached all homes. What kind of of people will be left after the Rapture. Nothing but sheep for the
        Commie Islamic Obamite Neoprogressive. ( COIN) to use against Israel. Coin(change
        you can believe in)…. my ass.

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        There is one factor left out: Look through out HIS STORY and see that God is the final authority in this mess, and there is not a single person on this earth that has the right to stand up against Him. I’ve seen Him take down people who said, “Look what I have built.” It took less than two years for this man to reach total homelessness. I know, He is sleeping on my couch.

      • Lady Liberty

        BECAUSE WE TURN A BLIND EYE AND LET IT HAPPEN. LOOK AT THE MEMBERSHIP ROLLS OF ACORN AND THAT WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

      • Smilee

        Because we are a country that gives freedom to all and it is not your place to deny that freedom to even those that you despise or hate. It is you who has it wrong wishing to deny them the freedoms they will allow you as I have never seen an Acorn member say these things about you and those who believe what yo do.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        If you are an Acorn member, then fact is you are anti-American, anti free speech, and want everything your parties way, without the other party allowed the same freedoms. You guys cheat big time and you know it. That is anti-American. I would be ashamed to belong to such an organization, but thats just me. I would be ashamed to belong to the ACLU, and again thats just me. But Ive got to stand for something, and I do. These groups are highly immoral, and I find them to be a stench on America, me and millions of others.

      • Smilee

        reply to: Mark Reply:
        July 13th, 2009 at 7:04 am

        Mark
        Assumptions, I’m not a member of Acorn or the ACLU, have never told you what party I’m a member of, other than I told you I voted for Obama but that does not mean I am a member of his party, You do stand for something, part of that is you stand for hate of those you do not agree with and thus you have a very distorted view of most every thing. The group that calls themselves conservatives today and now say they are no longer republicans are engaged in distortions and lies and to me this is much more immoral and a stench and a cancer on America than any of these organizations you mention, to listen to you guys Acorn is involved in all kinds of things they have nothing or little to do with but you keep piling it on, truth be dammed. Hatred will do that to you, and when some of us try to tone down the wild rhetoric with reason and civil discourse we get slammed by you people filled with hate as you are incapable of communicating on this level and need a whipping boy to express your self. Yes, there are millions of you but in the last few years a much less portion of the total I think now about 21% and that is quite a shrunken minority and this frustration has ramped up your rhetoric and hatred, Very Sad, tolerance is Key, it starts by listening to the other guy and treating him with respect rather than, without facts, accusing them of being anti-american,cheats, immortal etc, especially when you have no facts to support it. Anti-American is not someone who does not agree with you and exercises their freedoms in way you wish to squash. That should be left for the ballot box in silence, and in the last two elections the conservatives and republicans have lost big time, so they call them names and accuse them of all kinds of terrible things when they know must of them are lies. I’m 68 years old and I remember when the fights in the political arena where just as intense as now but the difference then was there was civil discourse and respect from both sides and not this childish approach like we see so much today in these type of blogs and other places. TOLERANCE, try it you may like it. Love thy enemies!!!!! Will not hurt you and it may even make you a better man.

    • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

      No they are not “placing” GPS trackers. They are using GPS locators to verify that the address is correct. Nothing more. I am a friend of a young lady involved in that. But get this; in a class of 25 people (training in use of the GPS), 2 were men.

    • SSG Prasuhn

      No reason for GPS systems on the (doors to) homes. Each building (anywhere in the world) is already ‘located’. Try doing a ‘Google’ of your home address and see what comes up. You’ll be truly AMAZED at what you find.

      The data you may have read about being entered into the GPS systems carried by the ‘Census Takers’ is most probably a means of ‘confirming’ the location of the ‘house’ address and to (supposedly – I’m guessing) keep the census ‘legit’ (no ‘double-dipping’ on the same address).

  • Joe Hooker

    Once we had a president, who said a few things that are VERY relavent today.
    One of them was that the tree of liberty needs watered with blood every once in a while.
    Another was that it’s not only our right, but our duty to overthrow our own government should it become tyranical.
    The president?
    Thomas Jefferson.
    Joe

    • ELLIS

      RIGHT ON!!!! SHOULD THIS BECOME REAL, MAY WE WIN!!!

    • Bob Velon

      An insurrection is what we need and I think is coming. We have a socialist and it appears a dictator. How long before he starts his own civilian defense force which he calls the Brown Shirts. Sound familiar. Maybe his rold model is Hitler.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        That aint funny, this loser the uneducated elected, has allready considered how to install a civilian defense. True fact. He also used to be called Barry, before he went on his Muslim quest in Africa with his muslim daddy, and came back as Barrack. He said things were against his muslim faith, and had to be corrected. He sat and listened to a racist preacher rant about evil white people for 20 years, and until people started asking questions about it, did he distance himself from it to save face. He had crooked dealings with Rezko in Illinois, and actually, any politician coming out of the Chicago area with democratic ties, aint quite clean if you know what I mean. Hell man, Kennedy wasnt even from Illinois, but being a democrat had thousands of dead people there vote for him, enabling him to beat Nixon in a close election. This guy is as dirty as my underwear would be if I wore it a week straight. The stench is obvious, all the false truths and half truths, the double talk, the muslim connection, the Illinois mob connections, and it is truly scary that there are so many stupid uneducated Americans that can be led astray by the democrat propaganda they put on all the TV stations and in the newspapers, and people believed it, without seeking the truth, they just bought hook, line and sinker what these guys sold them on this change-change-change thing. If there are really this many easily swayed undeducated people around, it wont be hard for the Islamic factions or the commie factions to soon get their propaganda machine to where they can sway all these losers also, then we all get to pay. Thank you you dumb left wing, environmentalist, carbon footprint, vegan, pacifist, global warming, appeasers, anti American democrats, for the harm you are doing. Unbelievable.

      • Bob Velon

        All I can say Mark is AMEN!!! The stupid people who elected him do not have a clue. Unless he legally changed his name he is Barry Soetorro. He is not even a U.S. citizen and does not meet Article 2 Section 1 of our Constitution which he trashed when he was elected and is a usuper and imposter. I hope those that put him power cry themselves to sleep every night with regret.

      • TeresaE

        “Thank you you dumb left wing, environmentalist, carbon footprint, vegan, pacifist, global warming, appeasers, anti American democrats, for the harm you are doing. Unbelievable.”

        Mark, I love ya’ man.

        I hate to be crude, but shock seems to be the only thing that wakes up citizens.

        Screw the children with stupid parents, screw the baby seals, screw the whales, the ice shelves, the EPA, China, “health care for all”, immigration, pollution controls.

        We need to quit worrying about saving a statistically unimportant life, in an already over crowded world, to save our freedom.

        We need to allow Darwinism to work. Blunt, but true.

        Quit protecting stupid people and quit rewarding failure. Quit shoving jobs to Mexico & China under the guise of less pollution, which then turns into 1970 pollution but in a foreign, uncontrollably country.

      • Lady Liberty

        Hey Mark, you don’t need to tell Obamas life story to rally the troops. His balant disregard for The Constitution is evidence enough that he is not 100% American. The voters made a grave mistake if they thought there would be ‘change’. It’s business as usual on the hill and in The White House.

      • SSG Prasuhn

        Can only make one simple comment to this…..

        AMEN!!!

        ‘Nuff Said’,

      • Rob

        After the passage of the rights shredding Patroit Act, I thought the same about Bush.

        Bush, Obama, Facism, Socialism, whats the difference??

      • Bob Velon

        The difference is Bush was a legal citizen of the United States. The usurper isn’t. You dumb assholes elected him on his words of “change” and now your getting the change. The usurper is a socialist dictator and his Idol was more than likely Hitler. His whole administration is inept and incompetent. If you had dreams of holding your hand out to get it filled with what ever you desire dream again kiddo….. Your in it for the long haul and you ain’t gonna like what you see or get……

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        The difference is, for proof you can see, wait until he has his 4 years to screw things up, and these terrorists cats get their shops set up and start blowing up crap again. They know our eyes are now closed, and the pacifist appeasers are in power. They will probably get all kind of things set up, then wait until 2012 after a Republican takes office, so that the dumb uneducated Americans will think its the republicans fault. The big difference you ought to see now, is Bush took the fight to these bastards, and has them on their heels, running, but now Obama is here, ready to sit down and have a steak and a glass of wine with them, and talk, because you know, he snow balled the americans with change change change, why not the terrorists? Right.

      • Rob

        Ah, gee Bob, what part of my comparison of socialism and facism led you to believe I supported Obama?
        My point was I don’t see much difference between Bush and Obama. All big government solutions and gross overspending.

      • Rob

        Mark, I don’t think so. I think any would be terrorists know by now what the republican military response would be.
        When Bush went into Afganistan, he did the right thing. When Bush went into Iraq, he totally lost his focus.

      • Edward

        None that I can see. I was a dyed in the wool Repub until the patriot act made me wonder if Dubya hadn’t gone entirely too far. He had. I am sorry America but I was one of “them” that pissed in the pool.

      • Rob

        Me too Edward. I also voted Bush in 2000. After I learned he was spying on Americans without warrents, that was it for me. Bush was a republican. A republic means we are a nation of laws, and no men are above them. Except Bush….
        You’re right, Bush went too far.
        Obama will be worse, but in a different way.

      • Vladimir Ulyanov

        Right on-

        These people are not Socialists, Fascists, communists or Progressives, but truly Crypto-fascist/Bolsheviks.

        They feed us Goebbels style propaganda “spin” whie they institute Fascist/Socialist (the same thing) social organization on us under the threat of Fascist/Nazi type reprisal if we resist.

    • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

      I am a 51 yr young Veteran of the Navy during Viet Nam, but I am ready to bare arms.

      • http://at&t B.Gear

        Also a vet of Vietnam and I already Bare arms BG

      • SSG Prasuhn

        DITTO!!
        A Vet. of the ‘Veit Nam’ Era (got stationed in Germany instead of Nam) and finally retired, but have NOT forgotten any of what I learned about how to ‘destroy the enemy’.

        That ‘oath’ (of enlistment) we all took when we joined the military?? Well, I took it (the first time) some 44 years ago, then again in 1977. Well, when I retired from ‘Active Duty’, THAT ‘Oath’ was NOT retired. I STILL hold to it 100% today — and ALWAYS WILL!! To wit:…..

        “I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

        (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

        Remember that guys (and gals)??

        However, I make only ONE change as I ‘hold to that oath’ today…I ‘CHOOSE’ whom I feel to be (QUALIFIED) to fill the ‘Role’ of President, as to whether I will OBEY (His/Her) orders. And it sure as hell isn’t the ‘body’ currently in that slot!

        The KEY phrase that I ‘adhere’ to is …”against ALL ENEMIES foreign or domestic”… It seems to me that (today) MOST of our enemies are DOMESTIC (our current government, gay rights, the ACLU, Pelosi and her ilck, etc.). Need I say more?

        And here folks is the oath taken (and sworn to) by the President of The United States…..

        “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

        Did you get that? …’faithfully execute the office of…and will ‘to the best of my ability’, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Apparently, NONE of them seem to be doing their ‘best‘ to ‘protect and defend’ the *Constitution of The United States.

        Guess ‘that’ OATH just went in one ear and out the other. Or, should I make that….In one mouth and out the other?

        ‘Nuff Said’,

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Kill em all, let God sort em out. I dont believe in violence, but brother when it comes down to kill or be killed, they gotta go.

      • keith

        ooyaaahhhh! i see so many are already freightened into silence,several have already voiced their fears that govt agencies will come for them if they speak their mind,it’s a sad and fearful thing when a citizen of a country has to be afraid of what he says or the fear of prosecution.i’m a patriot and a true blooded AMERICAN,and they’ll not shut me up untill they put me against a wall or have to take me out and pull down my flag. now is the time to get a spine and not cringe in a corner like a freightened cur dog. stand straight,look into the face of oppression and tyranny and spit in it! we all need to follow what was said of those who fought at iwo-jima…
        UNCOMMON VALOR WAS A COMMON VIRTUE!

  • s c

    Abuse of power and treason are the central core in this disaster. People can’t understand that as a government’s power grows, individuals have less and less freedom. Eventually, government has all power, and its citizens are slaves. The idea that “it can’t happen here” was proven wrong more than 100 years ago.
    America is drowning in good intentions and ‘wait-and-see.’ America will never get term limits. The best way to stop political criminals is to PREVENT consecutive terms. Until Americans understand that, America is doomed. Politicians understand. Stop being so childish, America. How can any adult think a political party will rescue America? No wonder politicians have it so EASY! This ‘casino’ is worse than corrupt, and Americans are playing against a stacked deck.

    • OrlandoRican

      WE, THE PEOPLE are the real agents of change. It is so simple. Next election cycle (local, city, county, state, federal) vote out the incumbents. Regardless of party affiliation. WE, THE PEOPLE will be sending the message that we are still incharge. These miscreants work for us! LET THEM KNOW!

      • Bev

        Yes, it would be great if we COULD vote them out, but they are going to grant millions of illegals amnesty and the right to vote. By doing this, they are forever outnumbering us, as the illegals will always vote for big government handouts and we, the working class poor, will be stuck forever funding them. I think our ship has sunk no matter what we do, short of absolute revolution, which, against Prince Obama’s, King Reid’s and Queen Pelosi’s new national militia that they plan on creating, we will be forced by martial law to obey. Look at the South after the Civil War. Lands were confiscated and martial law was envoked to “keep the rebels down”. Don’t think it can’t happen again. (And did you notice how they push their bills through on the “fast track” so no one can read them, – hey the Dems. don’t care what the bill says, they just want to rule)

      • http://comcast plp bored

        I totally agree with you but how are we going to get the dems out .I’m republican but they don’t seem to have any answers either.I’m afraid our country is doomed if we the people do not take it back.I just don’t know how we ae supposed to do it. We need a whole new system before it is too late. I really scared it may be too late. I sure hate to see the Declaration of Independence destroyed by these democrats in office. It is totally messed up I know that. We need a new leader not a king Obama. The media has totally made him a darling, like nothing I have ever seen in my life!

      • keeper

        YOU FORGET MY DEAR PERSON ABOUT WHO THE REAL AMERICANS ARE HERE.. YOU ARE HEARING THERE RODERIC AND BEING SCARED TO THE POINT OF DOING NOTHING AND GIVING IN TO THERE TACTICS.. THEY WANT TO KEEP US IN FEAR, ITS EASIER TO OVERPOWER US THAT WAY… SO FEAR NOT.. GOD DID NOT GIVE US A SPIRIT OF FEAR BUT A SPIRIT OF JUSTICE. WE DON’T STAND FOR B.S FROM EVIL PEOPLE.. WE FIGHT WARS THAT HAVE TO BE FOUGHT. OUR HISTORY SHOWS US THAT.
        WE HAVE A WAR GOING ON RIGHT HERE IN OUR COUNTRY. ON OUR SOIL, WITH ANTI-AMERICANS,IN THE HOUSE… OUR BATTLE HAS JUST BEGUN AND WE WILL WIPE OUT THIS EVIL MINDED GROUP WITH HONOR OF DOING SO,AND JUSTICE WILL FOLLOW..
        THEY USE THERE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR MEDIA TO MAKE THEM LOOK LARGER THAN THEY REALLY ARE SO YOU WILL FEAR THEM.. WELL WE DON’T….
        GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ITS PEOPLE.

      • Paul Trood

        The only man for the job is Ron Paul. He espouses everything that congress is against. He is the only one that has a chance of saving America.

      • Bev

        If we look at the voting map by counties, you can see that most of the country is conservative. We have got to find a way for ALL of us to unit – not fighting because of a particular religion, but all come together and do something. The problem is that most of America, even the so called strong conservatives, don’t care enough to really get involved as much as we need to. If we could get EVERY conservative citizen to participate, then we would have a real chance.

      • Anthony

        Thanks Bev,
        That is what i have been trying to share with others, for the past five administrations laws have been put in place by each previous president to empower the next to have almost absolute control, now we have a president who cannot be stop by voters dissent, short of a immediate revolution , and I mean now, it is to late, the troops are gathering and soon we will be out numbered.

        Anthony

      • Pat

        Putting another liberal Democrat in place will make little difference. An EDUCATED vote is the only safe vote – GET EDUCATED!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I couldnt agree more Pat. There are so many uneducated people in this country, that actually believe what the newspapers and what ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC tell them. They dont even know that these guys are all arms of the left wing liberal democrats, and when they hear all these spins on theTV, they think the Republicans are terrible and to blame for everything, and that the Dumbocrats are the voice of reason, as this is how these left wing liberal liars spin it. It is sad that people can listen to some of these wack jobs on these stations, and take it as the gospel truth. They think the Republicans and the Bush admin is at fault for these bank collapses and problems, when anyone with any iota of education, knows that Bill Clinton with his American Dream of everyone owning a home, setting up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to loan money to people who had no way to pay this back, with the government backing these banks bad loans, until it blew up in their face because the money ran out, and it was set up by the dems and ran by the dems, and people like Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick took millions of dollars out of this and got rich. When Bush called for an investigation into the figures not looking right on this, Barney Frank, another top ranking democrat, was the head of the committee overseeing this, and would not allow an investigation as he said he had it under control. So the dems did all this, and then had the audacity to point the finger at the Bush admin and placed the blame on them, and off course with all the liberal media being a part of them, they reported this also and all the dumb uneducated Americans blindly followed them and pulled the dummy Obama lever. Get educated you liberal dummies. Your killin us.

      • republic

        I’ve recently had this very simple realization:

        Education for the Dire Task at Hand = Reading the Founding Fathers’ writings.

        The ideas and principles and thought processes still apply today; and they were certainly applied to the building of this country and her society.

        Let’s all read the F. F.’s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Gerry

        Hey Mark,
        Don’t just blame the Democrats and Bill Clinton. The idea ofeveryone owning a home was actually put up by Jack Kemp when he ran in 1988. It was based on the fact people don’t destroy what they own. He called it the ownership society. Everyone owns their home,everyone is in the stock market, etc. It basically was the conservative answer to socialism. Everyone has personal as opposed to group ownership.
        The main problem was that the Democrats took the idea but turned it into a “government run program”. So what did they give us. A set of complex regulations,payoff to the special interests,7 figure jobs for hacks, and a bankrupting economy. So instead of low interest flexible payment mortgages, we got variable adjustable rate no down payment reverse inverted high rate mortgages, and 25% credit card interest rates. And bankrupcy laws that favor the big banks and their CEOs.

      • David Smith

        Yes Sir and thank you.
        Nov. is 7 months a way

      • http://none Pat Mencke

        WE THE PEOPLE have spoken.
        If you want to do something good for your Country, bring to justice the Bush/Cheney machine that through ignorance, mismanagement, and delusions of grandeur a self-appointment position of prophecy, ran out Country into unnecessary wars and nearly brought the whole world into financial collapse and isolated us from the world dialogue and from our former place of world leadership.

      • Katherine

        You’re stupid. Anyone with an ounce of education knows this mess was brought on by the democrat congress and President Clinton’s administration. Wake up dummy.

      • Joe Dickey

        Quick question: what earthly good would be served by a star-chamber trial of the former administration? Even if every accusation you make were true, the only result would be to distract the citizens from the real tragedy befalling our country at this moment. Don’t kid yourself, even the legal circus the left-wing Democrats say they want will not come about, because they don’t want it on sworn record how much complicity they had in the events of the last 8 years. Do yourself a favor and study how much liberty the average citizen has lost in just the last 100 days.

      • Jen Smith

        Katherine, why don’t you quit dwelling on what the Bush administration did or not do. Concentrate on the one in power now and study the Constitution before it is shredded.

      • Susan L

        Stop drinking the liberal cool-aid.

      • pneal

        Blame America, blame Bush, what’s next, blame yo mama. Get the facts, they are out there if you are open minded enough to look. Too many countries have been down the same path with the support of the uninformed or ignorant, if we go down the Obama road, America as we know it will be a page in the history books but it will probably be revisionist history.

      • Bob Velon

        So you the people have spoken. Did you know that the person you elected is not a U.S. born citizen? He was born in Mombasa Kenya. Did you know he is probably not even a naturalized citizen and his legal name is Barry Soetoro. His stepfather adopted him and changed his name. Unless he had it changed back legally he is not Barak Obama. You stupid ignorant people were so into the change he kept telling you about you never checked to see what the change was. I hope this is the change you were so willing to give up your freedom for… He is a socialist dictator and you haven’t seen anything yet. At least Bush was a legal citizen of the United States. He has stepped all over our Constitution and given this country to the highest bidder.

      • TeresaE

        Keep on looking back one term. Ignore the term before and all the laws that created our current mess with a Democratic signature on them.

        Bush did help. He looked away while the middle class was being slowly erradicated, he signed into law bills that restricted our freedoms and created new hidden taxes and controls.

        BOTH sides are doing this folks, until the day we QUIT SEEING EVERYTHING UNDER THE VEIL OF RED & BLUE, our destruction will continue.

        Americans still do not get it yet and I, for one, doubt most ever will. Which means those of us that see the impending disaster can’t do ANYTHING to stop it.

        And my child will be just as abused and hungry as yours.

      • Patriot Diva

        Pat, get a clue. George Soros was behind that collapse along with willing friends of his from enemy countries who want to bring America down. Bush was not perfect by any means, but you guys’ hatred of him gets in the way of thinking clearly. Soros is known for a fact to have a “God complex”, hates capitalism even though it made him rich, and borders on madness. Do a little research, listen to news outlets other than the lame stream media (CNN, ABC, MSNBC, NPR, etc…. and you will see that what I say is true. Why is it that democrats and liberals look at conservatives as a greater threat than even terrorists? We are all being played for fools. The goal of the Soros types of the world is to divide and conquer.

      • Carolyn

        Why is it sooooo easy for you people to forget that the Congress was held by and laws presented by DEMOCRATS????? Blame Bush, but not the Democrats in Congress….WAKE UP!

      • Jean

        Now there goes common sense flying out the window. The problem is to stop all the damage being done now, not to keep looking back.

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        And you may have noticed This country is now in debt to Whom? The chinese are one of the larger lenders. The Bible says that the borrower is servant to the lender.So the result is that we, the people are owned by the Chinese (communist government). This is gonna hurt people, we have “blinded our eyes to the wisdom of the Bible.” Our country was founded and fought for, so we can be selfish and “do our own thing” and where has it gotten us. Now that they are outlawing guns, what are you gonna fight with. Do you see how democracy has been stepped on?We fought the King and won our freedom, but how many men died. Great we have better technology, What is the first thing a country does to take over, use the guts to infiltrate. Folks, we have been dupped in the worst way. “Gird your loins (put your work pants on and go work so that the communist regime can live in the large houses.

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        The next war is gonna be when the new Government walks into your house and TELLS * you what you can eat. The lovely King Obama has sold our country, through our national debt. the *conniving selfish men voted in have become Self-centered, not just selfish. Selfish is I want, Self centered is I’m more important than you.

      • http://yahoo Harold Hartsock

        Dear Pat Mencke
        Yes America was tricked into a war based on a lie and the cost is still adding up.We have lost many of our most respected Americans in this war.I hate it !But you must know why we were attacked and will continue to be a target.We support Israel financially and militarily,they have been killing Arabs and stealing Palestine land since 1948 the year they became a state.
        We can agree both political parties (Dem. & Rep.)are corrupt liers and betray our constitution.Time is wasting Americans must join together as one and revolt if we are to secure a government FOR AMERICA not against America.

      • B-Man

        to Pat- where do you come up with this crap. This past administration ran one of the largest wars in history, kept us safe for 8 yrs and ran this country at a 2% debt structure. Unemployment was 3% at its worst. Because the stupid ass damcrats owned and ran freddy and fanny they waited until their llittle BOY almost lost all momentum in the election and then pulled the plug on all those morgages. They destroyed commerce as we know it. If they had left well enough alone those two were actually under investigation and we could have handled it completely different. None of this financial crap would have been anywhere near as bad. This bum we have now has us up to a 9% unemployment and 2 times the deficit @ 4% and growing. Wow he sure is making it happen. Get him the hell out now!!!!!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Yeah right. Didnt have nothing to do with Clinton and his boys setting up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, to lend housing money to people with no way to pay it back, but tell the banks to do it anyways and Uncle Sam will back it up. The banks said heck yeah, we are guaranteed to get our money. Problem is, they did so many bad loans that even the Federal Government couldnt afford it, and the banks collapsed. Of course, they knew the figures were showing this a couple of years before this happened, but democrat big wig Barney Frank, who was in charge of the oversight comittee to monitor this kind of stuff, told the Bush admin,”No investigation is needed”. Its all under control. Meanwhile, top dems Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick are running this thing, giving themselves and their pals million dollars of bonuses out of this fund, yep, blatently stealing from us tax payers, and they all walk away rich and loaded, while the banks collapse, and all you blind lying wankers climb up on your soap box and start pointing the finger at Bush. How did you ever come to this conclusion? Because he is in office at the time, he did it? Oh yeah, I forgot, according to you left wing pacifist appeasing pants wetting little girls, its his fault that 9-11 happened to. I mean, it didnt have anything to do with Bill Clinton cutting the intelligence agency in half for 8 years preceeding, or cutting the military in half. It probably didnt have anything to do with Clinton sticking cigars into young interns while these guys were running around the country setting up their shop, while this leetch slept at the switch. Didnt have nothing to do with the fact that old Billy boy let the bastards blow up the WTC basement, the USS Cole, the barracks in Lebanon, the dragging our dead through the streets of Somalia, the turning down of Bin Laden being handed over to us 3 stinking times. Yeah, it had absolutely nothing to do with this did it? Had nothing to do with them thinking that the United States is a bunch of pussies that they can continually punch in the nose and we would do nothing did it? All this happened, and your bastard boy Billy J. Clinton did nothing but defile the office of president, defile his marriage and defile his country. Pay attention to history pal, because I for one am not going to let you get away with trying to change it. Fact is fact. Bill Clinton is guilty as guilt can be. Fact.

      • Jed_Clampett

        Orlandorican……. I have been saying the same thing. We have power. It is our vote. And it is time to send a clear message to all those with political aspirations and those that wish to preserve their comfy confines in DC (i.e. Spector) and put their personal lifestyle agendas above the people that put them there. I say we clean house.

        NO INCUMBENTS !!!!

        OF THE PEOPLE * BY THE PEOPLE * FOR THE PEOPLE ** This is OUR government. WE are in charge. If you seek real change in our federal government, vote the incumbents out in 2010 and 2012.

      • Judith

        Both parties have been corrupted by money and a PNAC plan (their vision for our world not ours). We must vote them out.

        How do we vote them out when the voting machines are being manipulated and the vote itself being stolen? Election after election since Bush in 2000 this has been true.

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        2010 is gonna be too late. Guns are illegal, almost, everyone is a softy. I’m 51 and ready to “Bare Arms” for my Constitutional rights. Has anyone read it lately, without picking certain pieces to suit what I want it to say. Amendment after amendment takes away our liberties, Which is exactly what our Grandfathers did. fought, with life on the line.

      • Pat

        If you think the polls are corrupt, demand audits. Aren’t most of the poll workers volunteers? Volunteer on election days. Keep up the demand for Constitutional compliance and not laws of popular ideals. Join the Constitution Party. Go to the Tea Parties on July 4th and September 12, we can’t be ignored forever and I agree elections are not that far away. When Fox News is viewed by more viewers than the liberal lefts news, it tells you that Americans are tired of the push for socialism in this country.

      • Jen Smith

        Well stated, Pat!

      • John

        Absoulutely correct- vote out the incumbents. It was Thomas Jefferson who said ‘God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty…. And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

      • TeresaE

        ALL incumbents.

        Lifelong, well paid; big, fat & happy unionists, elite and politicians own the government.

        We could change it if we just continuously vote out all incumbents. The power brokers would be shaken and maybe then we could enact change.

        Until we truly change Washington and tackle our problems in a business like manner, the downward slope will just continue.

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        yes but now they can financialy torment any person. All the information we have been fed for so long. For some serious information, go to http://www.thingstocome.org. you’ll get some serious information about where we are headed. Better start learning Arabic.!!

      • Rob

        Yeah, We the People, blah, blah, blah, and nothing ever happens…
        In principal you are correct, but in practice you are out in left field.
        They will not give up their power, until it is wrenched from their grimey hands….
        Forget about taking up arms, if you are so foolish to do so, you will come face to face with the National Guard, and if you numbers are large enough, face to face with the United States military. A force that cannot be beaten.
        You want to commit suicide? I suggest a bottle of pills in the privacy of your own home. No need to make a public spectacle……
        Getting it yet?

      • Rob

        A rebellion every 20 years. Good.
        And the Federal Income Tax was never properly ratified. There is no law that says you have to pay Federal income tax. Yet,….just try not paying…They will most certainly stick your ass in prison. Legale or not.

        We no longer live in Colonial Times. Guns in the hands of the “people” are no longer a threat to government. Stop wasting your time with very correct historical remedys for an out of control government.

        Instead start looking for “Real World” solutions for an out of control government.
        What do those in government actually listen to? Certainly not those “Wackos” supporting the US Constitution, and speaking about lost rights. Instead they listen to lobbyist groups.
        Why not form a citizen rights lobby? You will have plenty of funding. Go to Washington, and lobby for actual change.

      • TeresaE

        “They” (politicians) set the guidelines for our public educations.

        The (few-very few) smart ones have actually learned more past what we were spoon fed.

        We have exactly the government and country, the government created with our blessing, consent and often-demand.

        Meanwhile, we continue to demand the government take over, or control, even more.

        Every time I hear a fellow citizen say, “well, the government should…” I shudder.

        Name one farking program that is run effectively, without waste for the sake of spending and with happy, friendly employees (like we in the private sector have to behave) and I’ll agree that the government should get involved.

        We need FEWER laws, LESS regulation and LESS taxes. Fewer paid-for-life employees and more private industry and work.

        Never happen.

        Doomed comes to mind.

      • Rob

        TeresaE, less regulation sometimes causes a total mess too. Less regulation in the financial sector helped cause this mess we are in now.
        And I want my Water Utility to be heavily regulated, and those that produce food.
        Medicine should be heavily regulated, the list goes on…

        What we need are smart regulations, and to get rid of the ones that cost business money with little benefit. I don’t want my surgeon stiching me up with electrical tape because, for him, its more cost effective, and there are no regulations in place that forbid it.

        Its all about checks and balances. We should know by now we cannot rely on business to ethically self regulate their own behavior.

      • SSG Prasuhn

        Rob — I get the impression you are not a ‘Veteran’. Otherwise you would know that there are several million (yes, that’s MILLION) of us (Veterans) out here (most all of us armed and ‘trained’ in the ways of war) who are whole-heartedly ‘behind’ The Constitution and The Bill of Rights and would GLADLY ‘go to war’ (yes, even against our own) to REGAIN OUR COUNTRY and do ALL that NEEDS to be done to keep it from becoming a Communistic or Socialistic country and for IT (The United States of America) to remain INTACT, if not RESTORED to it’s ‘Original’ state.

        Now, by my latest figuring ‘several million’ is much, mucH, muCH, mUCH, MUCH MORE than a couple hundred thousand (Active Military and National Guard, Air Guard, etc.. — including all the local, county and state police agencies) combined. And many of them will ‘jump ship’ to join us because they believe and feel the way ‘We The People’ do.

        ‘Nuff Said’,

      • keith

        i’m sure thats what the british thought and the federal army when they showed up at bullrun in 61! who do you think will be leading the militia? us vets!

      • Rob

        Hey ah, Keith, weaponry has EVOLVED a little since The Battle of Bull Run. {which I am willing to bet you are a vetern of} Citizens are limited in what they can own, Governments are not. Go have some coffee.

        And Keith, talk like that can get you flagged as a domestic terrorist. I am not kidding. You people are unbelievable…..

        Better a nonviolent revolution. Gingritch did it to an extent. Why not run for office if you want to change things? Form a lobby, or pressure group. Washington responds to that. FBI and ATF respond to people saying the things you are saying. These are not colonial times. You are not annonamous, technology has put an end to that. All you need to do to get their attention is say something STUPID. If you have a pissing match with Fed Agents, you will lose.

        We have tight enough firearms laws. Don’t wreck it for everybody else. No wonder they are domestic wiretapping…. The Federal government won’t back down, they’ll just crawl up your a*s a little farther. Hoping for Martial Law or something?
        Nonsense like this, really pisses me off.
        You change from the inside out.

    • Hope Summers

      Very TRUE. “WE THE PEOPLE” was not penned by ‘The People’ and their lies the crux of the problem. Until we truly hold our government responsible by getting rid of corrupt politicians, we will never be ‘The People’. Most Americans do not understand that what is going on in Washington is being sanctioned by their unwillingness to hold Congress accountable. If the shareholders so desire then an inept CEO is fired. If our Congressional members are inept they are rewarded by us, the shareholders, with our silence. We need to clean house begining with the secular-progressives like Nancy Pelosi. Most decent Americans would find her actions to be immoral if they only new her record of voting. For the vast majority, Americans are decent, clean living and hard working people. We should not let the minority gain control of our lives through their control of our Government. Stand up for your rights and vote a clean sheet next election. Throw the incumbents out. Remember that not voting is a vote to keep the corruption that is Washigton.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I agree with your assessment of Nancy Pelosi. The woman is obviously inherently evil. Listen to the things that spew out of her mouth. She can look that camera straight in the eye and tell obvious bold faced lies, and not bat an eye. Her and her whole ilk in California need to go. Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Barney Frank, Diane Feinstein, Gavin Newsom. I mean with people like this in office there, it doesnt say much about the intelligence of the people of California. And look at the financial state of this state. People, please, connect the dots and figure it out. Its not that hard to do. You have a bunch of lying, cheating left wing liberals who care about nothing but themselves and their power, representing you, and giving your hard earned money to all these illegals that are bankrupting your state. They give millions to the gay causes to morally and spititually bankrupt your state. They WILL sit down and wine and dine with the terrorists if given a chance, I guarantee it. You need to wise up and clean yourselves of this whole lot real quick, or you can keep paying.

      • Fred

        Point well taken, but it is worse than that, Barney Frank is a representative of Massachusetts. And don’t forget Chris Dodd of Connecticut. Us Californian conservatives are becoming a smaller and smaller number. The illegals are in the pockets of the liberal democrats because they know that all the goodies are gone if we elect good conservatives unlike Arnold Schwartzenegger. For such a tough guy in the movies he sure turned out to be a wimp in front of the democrat lead California congress. When they opposed him with millions of dollars of lies in advertising in the special election that he called to straighten things out, he caved to their wants just to make peace after the election went to the liberals and liberal ideology. Some tough guy!!!

        California Republican Committee keeps asking for my money which I gladly gave a few years age, but these last two elections after the Arnold Schwartzenegger debacle I refuse to give then any money until they first give us a real conservative candidate. They keep calling, but I keep telling them with candidates like Arnold, and John McCain we can just have real democrats without wasting our money. What’s the difference!!! They don’t need my money for that.

      • http://comcast plp bored

        You are so right. She even pushed through a bill to pay fisherman in her state a paycheck of 100, 000. last year for fish they did not even fish for. I so want her out of there! If you get the transcripts for last year and what congress passed you will want to puke. They literally did nothing. I read it. I even complained to my congressman told him I was ashamed of him and he would not get my vote again for taking a paycheck when he did nothing last year, that was how mad I was after reading the transcripts!

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        What is this Representing you stuff? They represent themselves,

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Bruce, I didnt have that punctuated quite right. What I was meaning to say is they dont care about representing you. Thats what I was trying to say.

      • Jed_Clampett

        Hope, Mark, Fred, you are all correct in your thinking but we might still be missing the bigger picture here. It is not about names (Pelosi, Frank, Dodd, etc..) it is about removal. A completely clean slate. Character, good or bad, doesn’t count now. If we start identifying particular people than we open it up for debate of ones voting record or the value of ones contributions and we are no longer making the message stand on it’s own. Loud and clear.

        NO INCUMBENTS.

        That’s it! Regardless of party, voting record, contributions or whatever. That is the only message we need to send in order to try and regain control over what is ours. No doubt some good people would be swept up in this approach, but the message is sent to all those that seek office.

        Now, some will say that it doesn’t matter because “the voting is fixed” or “big business owns the government” or “we are not in colonial times”. We can agree with those assessments, lay down and accept defeat or, we can attempt to exercise the one bit of power that we have. Until that has been done and proven to be defeated, I will continue to believe in our ability to bring our government under our control. It does require a mass effort to be effective so, without the majority on board it will be defeated. I for one am willing to try. This is not about armed revolt. It is about casting your vote. I still believe in that.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Jed Clampett has it right. Weve got to get these incumbants out of there, as they get so deeply connected with lobbyists and special interests groups, that their vision gets skewed, and instead of doing what is best for the people, they do what is best to scratch the back of each other, and we, the people, whom they are supposed to serve, get left out. Your right Jed, the incumbants in both parties need to go.

      • Carolyn

        Hope, that’s clearly the point EVERYONE needs to be getting. “If everyone knew her voting record”. People, these records are so easy to get! If you’re in that district, sign up for MegaVote from the American Family Association (.org, I think). You will receive e-mails every time your senator or representative votes, how they voted, and upcoming votes. Sign up whether you’re in Princess Pelosi’s district anyway! Know how your elected officials are representing you! If you want to know more, go to the Senate and House of Representatives web sites and do some research. In this particular day and age, knowledge truly is power. I’m not willing to be bottle fed that garbage mainstream media keeps spewing out. I have a brain and I like to think for myself. Every “debate” I have with an Obama-worshipping puppet is the same rhetoric as the last one as the time before. They are being fed a script and what they are supposed to say. Sorry, I draw the line at that one! I find it really odd that this article appeared today when I was talking with a friend this morning about this very issue. All of the things that is going on right now is to detract from what is truly being done. And like the frog in the fry-pan, enjoy the warmth now because it’s about to fry you!

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        Interesting analogy, But I am afraid we are already cooked, we just dont know it yet.

      • Rob

        HOW???
        Voting?? That got us Obama.

        Think again…..

      • Lady Liberty

        What, do you want a revolution? We would need the US Army on our side. National Guard at least.

      • Rob

        Thats very true Lady Liberty. A steady drumbeat of outrage. Nonstop. Call your representatives and complain, but be careful what you say to them…
        Keep voting them all out. Vote for nobodys. One term, then their done. Keep the pressure on. And forget any loyalty to any political party.

        How was Martin Luther King able to help pull off the Civil Rights Act? Not with force.
        Revolution, yes, violence, no.

      • Jackie

        That is what they want you to believe, that we can’t win because they have the armed services. The reason the federal gov’t keeps trying to take our guns away is that they know if we (all states) banned together, they couldn’t win. Every state has a National Guard. The federal gov’t cannot beat the National Guard of all the states. If the states pass laws that say the state National Guard and all police officers in a state are not bound by federal law but by state law, things can change. There are legislators out there working on states rights issues like this right now. Check out this web site: thepatrickhenrycaucus.org and GET INVOLVED!!!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        He got elected because people fall for the substance of what someone says, rather than who they are and what they are about. Any conscience moral American loving American, that would have read up about this guy and his ties to Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, the muslim religion, the Rezco relationship, and many many more things, there is no way they could have pulled that lever, if they truly love this country. No way. I dont care what you politics are. When youve got a guy involved in this kind of relationships, and they are long lasting close relationships, there is no way as an educated American voter, you could pull his lever. No way.

      • Rob

        Mark. I have been a registered Independent all my life….
        I lay part of the blame for Obama getting elected at the feet of the Republicans.
        On the one hand you had John McCain stumping claiming that the economy was robust, and that the Bush Tax Cut was creating jobs….. Me, I just didn’t see it…

        Then you had the email smear campaign…Daily, I got emails from “Concerned Citizens” that said Obama was a closet muslim, Obama was connected to terrorists..
        Nonsense. I reasoned that Homeland Security would have figured out if the Presidential Front Runner had ties to terror orginizations. I mean, we fund them to the tune of billions of dolars a year, it is not unreasonable to assume that they would be able to figure out if the presidential front runner is a terrorist or not.
        It was nonsense. Total lies. Most people realized that or they never would have voted for Obama. They wanted Change alright. Change from 8 years of Bush Administration abuses and incompetence.

        What they did not want was THIS kind of change. This is no real change at all. Just an acceleration of the course that we were headed down.

        So to answer your question Mark, by adding lie after lie against Obama, it became increasingly hard for people to really determine what Obama was actually all about. Once you uncover obvious lies, you begin to reject all the negatives you hear as lies as well.

        Screw the Republicans! Screw their underhanded “Wisper” campaigns!
        Screw them all! It Blew up in their faces!

        Vote in “Joe Nobody”!!! And demand more representatives per capita.

      • Rob

        SSG Prasuhn,
        You make some very excellent points. The day I wrote that I was very aggitated at the current situation, and I think it showed. I get so annoyed at the blame game played out by republicans and democrats. 20 years of that nonsense, and it hasn’t solved anything. The problem is Washington. Actually our leaders in Washington.

        The problem with what you are saying is that you could never organize a group that large. That would be a REAL Patroit Act, however it would land everyone involved on a domestic terrorist list. If you threaten their power, they consider you a terrorist. Some would be scared off after having been out of active duty for a very long time and accustomed to civilian life. Some would be arrested and dragged off, some would stand and fight. With no heavy weaponry, and limited ammo. Unless there was some catastrophic event, that rallied everyone to rise, I just don’t see it happening. It would be brother against brother too, and that would also complicate things.
        No, the machinery of CHANGE moves very slow. Bob Livingston calls it STEALTH, and GRADUALISM. Changes made in small increments. Allow time for the population to adjust, then another small change. Its a concept that I learned about decades ago. Its how we got where we are now.
        I don’t think there will be any great sudden change coming from Washington that wakes up everyone. It will always be slow, so as not to awake a sleeping people.

        The feds are very aware of vets and their backgrounds and training they received. And as I believe most are solid American patroits who would no doubt stand and die for their country, even out of service, I do not see Washington handing them the motivation to do so. Nor do I see anyone organizing without being hauled off to Gitmo. What a paradox, if you love America, you are a terrorist. If you hate America, you are a terrorist. If you support Ron Paul, {according to the Missouri List} you are a potential domestic terrorist… A don’t tread on me flag? Potential domestic terrorist. Oh yeah, its getting pretty ridiculous.
        …..Its just a game they play…

        Thank you for your comments.
        Rob

      • Rob

        Oh, and lastly,
        I think a better solution is to just keep voting them all out of office. 1 term then their gone. Don’t allow them time to make many connections or get too comfortable. A rolling stone gathers no moss. Vote democrat, republican, libertarian, green party. Even if you don’t like them, or what they stand for. Just keep mixing it up. When they all fight, they get nothing done. Gridlock. Thats less government.
        I say use the mechanisms the system still offers, for change.

        And for God’s sake, forget about any notions of party loyalty. They are not loyal to you.

        Vote them all out.

        Rob

    • John

      I totally agree with you. But, whether I agreed with you or not – it’s still the truth!

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        How many times have been reported of “governments” being chased out of town by “farmers with pitchforks? These sayings did not come out of the blue, it is because something happened in our history and that was written down by someone. For example, what was this nonsence being fed, That my Grandfather was part ape. Well that ‘ape’ put his life on the line so you have the right to be deceived by corrupt people. After all, they put their pants on one leg at a time’, don’t they?

    • http://none Pat Mencke

      What a bunch of horse pucky!
      We have term limits. Whoever is telling this crap is not your friend.
      Bush took so many freedoms away from Americans and used you as one-issue voters to vote against your own rights. That’s abuse of power.
      We’ll never enough inspectors to do a thorough job of inspecting storage moving around America. How would we ever inspect everyone’s refrigerators? You are being played for fools. Use your head. Look it up. I believe you’ll find that nothing of the sort is going on in England.

      • D.

        Pat,
        you declare that Bush too so many freedoms away from Americans; and yet you do not describe even one!

      • D.

        too should be
        took

      • Judith

        The government can now put you in jail without a trial if they determine you are a threat to them. They can take your land to build a mall. They can take your money to pay their debt. They can do whatever they want when ever they want. If that isn’t removal of rights what is?

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        That is because he is a democrat, and all they can do is spew their opinions around, because they never deal in facts or truth. If they did, they would have to study things and get educated, and if they did that, they wouldnt have walked behind that little curtain and pulled the Obama lever now, would have they?

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Thats because Pat, (have you read any of his post’s here), is a left wing liberal pacifist appeasing pants wetting democrat, and thats what they do. 1.No one is entitled to have an opinion except them. 2. Its alway’s Bush’s fault. 3. Do as I say not as I do.

      • Fred

        Hey Pat Mencke Have you ever heard of hiring more people to make more Jobs? Yes more government jobs! That is what Obama is doing. Growing the size of government. If the UK can hire more people to do it Obama will, and this will be a priority for them unlike storage inspectors. Just think of all the new jobs he can get credit for and from your tax dollars.

        These are not one-issue votes. It is an ideology and morality that these so called one-issue votes are going for. In your mind it is a one-issue vote because you don’t have a moral bearing to chart your course with, the issues just look like dots on a map to you, instead of points to plot your course with.

      • Carolyn

        Same rhetoric, Pat…don’t waste your time.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        The only freedom I know of that Bush took away, if you call it a freedom, is to listen to my phone calls, which I wish they would tap every fricking one of us and find out who is planning ill fate upon us. Get these guys out of here, and if I have to let them listen in on my phone calls, no problem there. In fact I would welcome the government to come walk through my house and check out my legality, as long as they did it to everyone and got these illegals out of here. No problem. The freedoms I see the democrats taking away, is my freedom to keep the money I earn, as they want to tax the crap out of everyone, and want to take my money and give to to someone who doesnt want to work for it. I got a problem with that, OK. I dont need them to tell me what to do with my hard earned money. I am a very good and deep giver of the wealth God has given me, but that is between Him and I, and I dont need the government giving it to support a bunch of gays or terrorists or anyother group I dont want to be giving money too. But thats what they want to do, and if you dont believe that, you are a dirty filthy liar and deserve the crap they are going to heap on you. They are also taking away my freedom to live, as they did for all those that died in the World Trade Centers, as Bill Clinton paired down our military and our intelligence to the point where these guys came in, set up their shops, and did this dastardly deed, and now that Barry is in there, the same ugly thing is repeating itself. He is cutting down the military, which I know from talking to guys in there, and intelligence is getting cut, and stuff is going to get blown up, and I just hope since I live in a smaller town I dont get caught up in it, but many of you in bigger cities are having your lives endangered by these left wing pacifists who want to sit down and have dinner and a nice glass of wine with the terrorists from Hamas, from Al Quaeda, from Iran, from Syria, and everywhere else. These democrat cats are so damn pompous and conceited, they think they can actually sit down and talk with these guys, and give them bribes, money, and who knows what else, and these terrorists just take everything and walk away and laugh at us because of these appeasers. Soon they will start punching us in the nose as they did under Bill Clinton, again. Remember our guys getting dragged naked and dead throught the streets of Somalia? Remember when they first tried to take down the world trade centers by blowing up the basement of them? Remember all the guys they killed when they blew up our barracks in Lebanon? Remember when they blew up the USS Cole? And what did Bill Clinton do about this when he was president? He sat on his perverted ass playing with cigars with Monica Lewinski and I mean really, who really knows how many others there were. Hundreds, Im telling you hundreds. This guy did nothing at all, just stood there with a bloody nose waiting to get hit again. Mr. Bush I thank you for going after these goons and punching back, and keeping myself and my family safe for the last 8 years. Too bad these Idiots the uneducated of this country elected are soon to bring this to an end. All you liberals pat yourself on the back when the crap hits the fan, and it will, and dont even think about pointing the finger at the Bush administration, because this one, like 9-11 before it, is all on you. It will take them a couple of years to do this though, because Bush had in place the means to detect them and stop them, but your guys are going to bring that to an end, all because they just want to talk diplomatically with the nicey nicey terrorists. Uneducated Americans. Why are there so many of you.

      • Michelle

        Mark, all your remarks are right on TARGET!

      • Janice

        Mark, some of these ignorant ‘progressives’ were taught these really dumb things in our schools. Socialism is showing up in our classrooms at least from middle school through college. No wonder Obama wants us to pay for everyone to go to college. This is all a plan to turn us into a socialistic country to forment the 1 world government. I know this sounds unrealistic, but just connect the dots. Many of us want to vote out those that are voting for these bills, but if you look at how fast Obama is working, you get the sense that he is doing as much damage as he can before we wake up & before we can do anything about it. Just watch as more & more of our freedoms disappear & it will all happen this year.

      • Carolyn

        I totally agree that President Bush did a phenomenal job protecting us after 9-11. Again, none of that would have been necessary had Clinton done something after the first attack on WTC, the USS Cole, two US Embassies (wasn’t one in Kenya???). They were testing the waters. Clinton put on a light show. He proved our weakness and they took advantage of it. I don’t think they totally expected an American President to buck the UN council and do what needed to be done without their support and I think it shocked them a little. Are the pirate attacks another “testing the waters” as all the things under Clinton was?

        Here’s something else that mainstream media isn’t telling you. President Bush had a showdown with Pelosi and Reed (does anyone else think he sounds like Elmer Fudd besides me?) over the condition of Fannie May and Freddie Mack at least 2 years ago and they told him to stay out of it because FM (squared) were fine. Would you like to see that? There are several websites that carry archived Senate meetings on video.

        Everyone go ahead and blame President Bush, but when the world takes advantage of what is perceived to be a weak nation, don’t expect your president to protect you. It’s going to come down to us grassroots, gun toting, Bible thumping bitter people who fight for our freedoms for ya….

        Oh! Another little piece of information mainstream media doesn’t want you to know about. Detainees at Gitmo have gained an average of 20 pounds each. They’ve even named this “condition”. It’s called the Gitmo Gut. Torture? Ask POW’s like John McCain what real torture is. Geneva Convention is strictly adhered to. All “charges” against our Marine’s have been dropped…Gosh, maybe mainstream media was feeding the general public more garbage and they ate it up like starving birds….

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        To reply to Carolyn, also, when Mr. Bush did call for that investigation of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, who but Barney Frank, a big old democrat, who was in charge of the committee to oversee these things, said that no investigation was needed, as he and Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick werent done milking their millions out of it yet. So how our national press let these pharisee’s sit there and point the finger at the Bush administration for the bank failures, says loads and loads about the state our our media. When the truth is right there in front of them, they dont want to report it because the national news media and the democrats are the same guys, and they just will not report the truth if any of it is damning to them. The truth will set you free fellas, the truth will set you free.

      • Rob

        Bob Livingston was extrapolating. Based on what Obama did in the firing of the GM CEO, if the Federal Government has a stake in it, then they can dictate the terms.

        Do you really need it all spelled out for you?

        The President of the Untied States, fired a CEO of a private non government company. Much like in Facism and Socialism, you will see these types of things when the government controls “private” industry.
        Does that not bother you? The abridgement of power? Where does it end? It ends in your refridgerator. Or your underware drawer….Or a private “Probe”….
        Now is the time for BACKLASH!!

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        I repeat, very soon they will be walking into your house and looking through your cupboards and telling you what you can and can’t eat. There goes any privacy.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        And now that Obamination is running GM, I believe an independant investigative unit after a spell, should take a look and see how much money Obama and his mates are funneling out of it, and just where they are sending it to, and whom. You and I both know its going on. Something sure smells fishy here.

      • Rob

        Well Mark you are right. But its complicated and difficult to tell ones true ambitions. What walks like a duck is not always a duck…

        Is Obama really trying to rescue the US economy, or is it a socialist highjacking?
        Its really hard to say… But none of this is good, thats for sure.

        There is corruption at the very highest levels of US government and its been that way for a long time. Thats for sure. Acorn and other favorites are sure to profit largely from this current crisis.

        I just am interested in what the Brits have at stake in all this? Why the interest Mark?

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I have to agree, to disagree with you. Mr. Bush took zero freedoms away. If he did, you would have listed them. Keep your lefty anti american opinions to yourself, and resort to facts only here. I guess we wont be hearing from you anymore, unless of course you continue to expose your ignorance by spewing your opinions with no facts all over the place. And by the way, Ignorant doesnt mean your stupid ok, it just means you dont know. There is still time for you to get educated. Ignorance is not bliss.

      • Steve

        Term limits? Let’s see. How many years has Ted Kennedy served. And it doesn’t matter if they can’t check everyone’s refrigerator to the person’s they do check. Did you ever think there would be a day when the news media crushes a person because they gave their opinion that marriage is between a man and a woman. That’s just the beginning. Our rights are going down the tube with Obama.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Really, and the sad thing on that one, is that her opinion is the correct one according to God, and really, I for one, am smart enough to know that my arms are not long enough to box with Him. Nor do I want to. The Good Book says, “that in the end times, right will become wrong and wrong will become right”, and we dont have to look to far anymore to see this happening everywhere.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Yeah, and this shows how evil and biased the news media is. This girl didnt nothing but speak her opinion, and whether you or I or anyone agree, the last time I looked it was the United States of America where we are free to have an opinion, and have a freedom of the press. So why did Ted Kennedy get away with killing Mary Jo at Chappaquiddick, and the TV and newspaper coverage was minimal. Where was the newschannels and newspapers cries for his ouster? The democrats owned everything clear back then, and these propaganda machines lead people to believe the Republicans are the rich guys, when it just isnt true. The democrats are the rich bastards, and they want to keep it that way. Moral-less bastards.

    • Inventor

      This is nothing new, We have been “Plantation Slaves” for 100 years here in the
      “USA Plantation”. Don’t beleve me?? Just stop paying a single bill and “ZOOM” in the street you go and all you have sold at auction for pennys.

      • Rob

        Right. I have been calling this “The New Slavery” for years now.
        Very perceptive.

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        This is good, I have been calling out the title of “volunteer slave labor” for several years.

    • http://TheGreatestThreat uponroof

      The greatest threat to freedom has always been GOVERNMENT.

      The reason this hard cold fact isn’t blatantly obvious to our neighbors given the incredible recent events, or reflected in polling data as well as other indicators is found in the (lack of) wisdom within people themselves. Never forget that this is the same country that made ‘Love Boat’ number one for 10 years in a row. We live in a country of people who are either stupid in the truest sense of the word or worse…’intelectually stupid’ (liberals).

      We shall get one very big government over the next 4 years and we shall see just how bad things can get. Yes, I’m loading up on gold and guns/ammo….and of course I’m clinging to my faith through this all…. How very silly of me.

      • Rob

        Good luck getting the ammo….

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        Have you noticed the price of ammo lately. I actually saw a Walmart in Florida that ran out!

      • http://at&t B.Gear

        We have been running out of Ammo here for 3 months now in Missouri and Illinois. And it will not get any better. We have enjoyed our freedoms for so long now soon we will be buying ammo by the round instead of the box and then we will be right were they want us BG

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Any government big enough to give you everything, is also big enough to take it away. I believe that was Thomas Jefferson.

    • David Wright

      Senators and representatives should be limited to two terms, and there should be no lifetime pensions. Also, they should have to pay for their own healthcare. They should be required to be present for a minimun of 80% of the votes. They should not be able to get any money from companies or special interest groups, or for that matter, lobbyists. The same rules should be appiled to the president.

      • Lady Liberty

        Well said. It will never happen since it would take an act of Congress to pass it. Catch 22…………………..

    • Alberto

      Yeah, its more like russian roulette with all cylinders loaded…

      • SSG Prasuhn

        No……More like Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic or a fully-automatic.

        You have to make it a ‘NO BRINER’ for the ‘Dems’ to play this game fairly.

        ‘Nuff Said’,

        P.S. I’m NOT Republican either.

    • Edward

      It is already too late. America as we KNEW it is gone. The man who is in charge will be the man in charge for the rest of your life, a name change, color change, party change, etc. change, won’t change diddly. Get ready America, you will live in a cage or a cave, your choice. I have made mine, I will have bats for neighbors. But in the Gulag you will be fed, once a day, at least, I may miss many meals, but I will be free until they find me. After that, no chains will hold me.

      • SSG Prasuhn

        HoooAAAh!!!!

        ‘Nuff Said’,

    • Deborah

      Before my father died, I thanked him for teaching me how to think not what to think. You said so much in so little space, that is the attention span of individuals today, so it works well. Read the words American Citizen, think, ponder, follow YOUR feelings. Want to be afraid…I believe all the people on earth were sent by GOD to help each other….And now I have come to the conclusion…The free will we have all been blessed with is Exactly that…It’s not GOD’S will that has caused all that we are witness to…….IT IS OUR OWN. Each individual has their own personl task, that no one else can do…Stand up we are all a piece of a GRAND PUZZLE, without all the piece’s the picture will never be seen, and Heaven on Mother Earth will never be realized. Think of all of those who have come before you…Who gave their blood, sweat, tears, life and limb for liberty. Wake up NOW!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        And our very own liberal left continues to throw them under the bus with their words and actions. Its a fact, and shame on you that do this. Shame on you.

    • Deborah

      I replied to you s.c. May 5th 2009 at 6:02 AM but it was put out of place. Sort of took the intended sting out of my punch. Oh well

    • Michael Shea

      This is all ridiculous. This is just another case of fear tactics to stop
      health care reform. The health care system is not working and will never
      work under the present system. The insurance providers are making out
      like bandits same as the oil companies. It is the present insurance companies
      that tell us what doctor we can see. There are too many deductibles and
      too many claims denied. Gov. run insurance that is not for profit will work
      much better. There are 39 other countries who have universal healthcare
      and their people live longer than ours. It is just fear tactics by the insurance
      companies and the most wealthy who put out fear to stop reform. They have
      it made the way things are now so they do not want change, but the 95%
      of the rest of us need it to stay out of bankruptcy and loosing of our homes.
      95% of all bankruptcies are due to medical cost according to NPR. Not
      credit cards. Yes we need Goverment for we the people not lobyyist for
      corporations. I say everyone should tell your Congressman and you two Senotors to vote
      for real healthcare reform which is choice.
      Mike

    • Frank Vozenilek

      One of the greatest issues facing our nation today, I believe anyway, is the abuse of power. Abuse of power across the board. Whether that abuse is political, judicial, medical, financial, economic, social, cultural, racial, sexual, or in business, is completely irrelavant. What’s happening today in our Great Country is a complete reversal of authority and power structure.
      What I mean by that phrase is I guess best illustrated by what I propose is no longer in effective control. One example is executive boards made up of people who are supposed to be in control of and responsible for the execution of a large company’s decisions and control. Yet, individual executives manage to gain exhorbatant bonuses at the expense of lost jobs. Senior executives manage millions of dollars in salaries while the firm loses money? I suggest that unless there is an abuse of power through some illicit effort, there would be no way those men and women would normally remain employed.
      Next. Looking at the the American social and cultural world(s). We are running scared of gangs, hoodlums, out of control teens/children and a virtually bankrupt education system. Our education system itself is being controlled by political correctness instead of correctness in education. Our educators are teaching in fear of either their students, parents, or boards of education. They are being forced to teach politically correct subjects, cultural sensitivity, and sex education over the practicals of “reading, writing, and ‘rithmatic,” as was formally focused on. For example, in high school, I learned to balance a checkbook. Today, American college students don’t know how to do this task. BUT . . . they are aware of the AIDS crisis in Africa, Nelson Mandela, Bono, Cher, and Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie and Madonna’s “heroic” adoptions of Third World children. All the while being outpaced educationally by India, China, Japan, Germany, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other nations. Elementary school students can hardly explain what happened to the 7th Cavalry at the Battle of Little Bighorn River. That the cavalry soldiers under Gen. George A. Custer were hacked apart while many were still alive. That they were scalped while still alive. Disemboweled, disfigured and stripped naked as ways of degrading the dead men. But many of them know about the First and Second Wounded Knee, Sand Creek, the Trail of Tears. They are well aware of Black and Hispanic History Months, Gay Pride (now, thanks to books like “Michael’s Two Daddies”) and other pop culture so-called important subjects. While even elementary children have learned to intimidate teachers and bully classmates, steal from each other and yet, still can’t read, write, add, subtract, multiply and divide. And why? Because the educator has to devote their time to insignificant subjects.
      But don’t be patriotic, Conservative, a hunter, Christian, respectful or obedient to parents and/or elders and DO NOT resist the gangs. Don’t show a lack of concern for “political correctness.” Or try to genuinely get an education. And oh my gracious, never, ever, admit to resistance toward social or government managed healthcare! Oh my! You might as well be a traitor. In spite of the fact social healthcare costs millions, creates problems, opens avenues for major corruption, stifles research, turns away patients in the event of professional shortages, does not promote healthcare professional education by the choicest for the field. Why? In managed healthcare, professional wages are often limted if not froze at specific levels/specialties causing not merely a stifling of motivation, but a complete smothering of any motivation toward being trained as a healthcare professional.
      Thank you for allowing me to have my say. I apologize so much is only my opinion, but it is an opinion from experience having seen so much of this taking place.
      With respect,
      Frank C. Vozenilek, Sr.
      U.S. Army (Ret.)

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