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Anti-immigration group criticizes amnesty initiative

March 19, 2009 by  

Anti-immigration group criticizes amnesty initiativeRepresentative Luis Gutierrez (Democrat-Illinois) will visit 16 cities in the next few weeks to promote amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants.

Gutierrez has said his Family Unity Immigration Outreach Tour aims to draw attention to the lack of comprehensive immigration reform.

However, FAIR, the country’s largest immigration reform group, has pointed out the consequences for American workers and American economy of a widespread amnesty, in particular in the climate of rising unemployment which has reached 8.1 percent last month.

The organization stresses that as 12 million Americans look for jobs, the Pew Hispanic Center has estimated that 7.7 million jobs are currently held by illegal immigrants.

FAIR has therefore warned that Gutierrez’s initiative would reward those who break the law, encourage more illegal immigration, and lead to a further deterioration of an already weak labor market.

"Lawmakers should be evaluating how U.S. immigration policy impacts the American worker, not parading around the country trying to lay the groundwork for mass amnesty," says Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

"We cannot keep our heads in the sand and ignore the impact illegal immigration has on wages and jobs," he adds. "It is a fiscal necessity and moral imperative to protect the American worker."

According to Stein, in Texas alone the illegal alien population has grown to 1.7 million, a 16 percent increase since 2005, costing the state about $5.9 billion annually.
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  • mk5112 tx

    I believe there should be a Term limit for all government officials that are voted in.
    two terms with benefits to last only 4 yrs after they leave the office. That is more than the rest of us are getting when we leave a job.

  • http://google catherine

    What the special interest want is to replace the American worker, they want the cheap labor and also they can tell them who and what to vote for. The more illegals they can give citizenship too the more power they gain. They can replace our constitutuon with there laws. People need to look at the big picture. We have a group of people in our goverment who want to keep there job for ever, so they believe they can do this with the help of illegals.

  • SSG Prasuhn

    It’s quite simple really. You BREAK THE LAW, you GO TO JAIL or GET DEPORTED.

    NO GRAY AREAS INVOLVED!!

    We have (already) enough (sometimes TOO MANY) laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS covering this subject. All that’s needed — IF our ID 10T (that’s IDIOT to you idiots) in CONGRESS (and the House of Representatives) would get off their duffs and DO THEIR JOBSand let our Law Enforcement Officials/Officers (LEO’s) do their jobs; I seriously doubt there would NOT be an immigration issue.

    Try this in (most) any other country and see what happens. A Venezuelan friend of mine once told me that ‘they’ don’t have a problem with ‘ILLEGAL’S’ in his country. Why? Because anyone crossing the border ‘ILLEGALLY’ is ‘SHOT ON SIGHT’.

    Hence, illegal aliens?? ‘NO PROBLEM – O’

    ‘Nuff Said’,

  • Gary

    Okay, well I see from the above that this is definately still a hot topic. That’s good, I don’t feel alone now. What I want to know is what Cities is this Representative Luis Gutierrez going to and what dates so we can organize our voices in protest? I doubt it would make any difference if a million people protested, but I am personally tired of waiting around for something the American people want (no Amnesty) to happen on its own. We have to make it happen.

  • http://n/a empty pockets

    An American Representative who eschews his oath of office; a whole bunch of elected officials who want to -again- reward bad, even criminal behavior; American citizens defending all of this as though it doesn’t have any bearing on them…as though only good will follow. All who think Guiterrez is doing a good thing, consider this: millions who have illegally entered America threaten our national security, our national health and our national economy. By insisting that all new entrants into the country follow the legal path we ALL benefit. Legal residents have enforceable civil rights, good health, are self supporting and contributing members of our society. Amnesty is a travesty for citizens, legal residents and even for those granted amnesty en masse. The country is in a different place than it was when Reagan granted amnesty. We need every person in the country to be part of a team effort, working together, speaking the same language. We need to get over and beyond the “African-American”, “latino”, and other separatist labels. Pay attention, people. Our country is in tough times. We’re at war with an extremist and violent philosophy; our economy has been shaken to its core; unemployment is going up while future economic security is evaporating (and some of it may never return); our constitution and very way of life is threatened-by our own government who swore to protect it. Forget amnesty for those who entered criminally even if they’ve been law abiding otherwise. How about amnesty for Americans and LEGAL residents by putting our best interests first for a change?

  • Jane

    All Republican people (the patriots) are complaining but doing nothing about this?

    Why do we let these socialists run our country to the ground and destroy our lives slowly?

    Those that run the Democrat party have planned all this out and as it is slowly unfolding in front of our eyes.

  • http://Boasfin Bob Smith

    Lou Dubbs of CNN married to an illegal immigrant and yet he is the leader of inti- immigrant in this Country. What does that tell you. Lou Dubbs is an Irish yet he abused the Irsh people in his daily Programin in cnn.

  • Harry

    The double standards of politics, ya gotta love it … Bernie Madoff was demonized for breaking the law, cheating investors, & sent to jail, while Rep. Gutierrez violates his oath to support the Constitution, gets re-elected for cheating taxpayers, to subsidize his illegal alien constituency with public services, & wants to reward them with amnesty. Who says crime doesn`t pay?

  • Linda B

    I see Mexican ILLEGALS as “COWARDS” !! They flea from THEIR OWN country, instead of STAYING in their own country to build it up, and fix their problems. ILLEGALS are essentially…WEAK,COWARDS AND DESERTERS OF THEIR OWN COUNTRY !!!!

    • Say No to E-VERIFY

      Who cares anyway… Obama will push for a North American Union, just like the EU. It will be Canada, USA & Mexico… Watch out people

  • OyGevalt

    Why is it that the Mexican government (government might be an inappropriate term) encourages “Illegal” immigration in the first place? You see, in my view of the world, when in doubt, follow the money. The money sent to Mexico is the second largest element of the Mexican economy. If Mexicans were sent home, Mexico goes bankrupt. Now, I am not for that; but I am not for “illegal” immigration more. The cost to the nation is huge, not just in our dollars going to Mexico, but also the cost to me for paying for schooling Mexican (and other illegals, I get that it’s not just Mexico) children, for paying for all of their medical care, well, you get it. The great USofA has become the world’s cash cow and it is no longer sustainable. There’s no argument that “illegal” aliens are taking jobs Americans won’t take. That’s an empty argument. Yes, costs would go up if Americans were taking those jobs, but all wages would increase to cover the costs; it’s how the free-market system works. And, it’s not racist to try to protect your living. I have no issue with background, race, color, gender, religion. Now, let’s take a quick look at why the “progressive” (such a dirty way to veil contemptuous arguments) side of the great nation won’t engage the immigration issue correctly. “Illegal” aliens, when they become legal, and are dependent upon the “nanny” state, they become good “progressive” voters. Can’t you see that this country’s liberals are in a hurry to create a perfect majority of dependent voters.

  • http://microsoft Robert

    I believe that if the illegals ought to be send where they come from, if they want to be in this country they ought to apply for citizenship then be able to return & pay taxes like everyody else. they should have their own insurance & pay their own doctor bills . Also they should learn to speak ENGLISH.

  • Don Quixote

    Geez, take a chill pill there Howard. Who’s the bigot? This isn’t a race war. It’s not the poor brown people that are destroying the country. It’s the rich, male, U.S. citizen aristocrats who are raping and pillaging our national treasure, and who show up for their Trillions in welfare in lear jets, limos and the best Armani has to offer. And since you bring up race, they’re nearly all white.

    You have every right to be so angry, but please grow a pair and direct your rage at those who are truly responsible. Unfortunately, much to your disappointment, they are not as easy and fun to pick on as poor non-white minorities and immigrants are. Kinda like shooting fish in a barrel, eh Howard. Yeah , it takes some courage to face the real perps. Especially since they probably look just like you.

  • Delaware Bob

    Now I can’t say the ILLEGAL ALIENS are completely to blame for the shape of our economy, but they are a BIG part of the problem. The ILLEGAL ALIENS send BILLIONS upon BILLIONS out of this Country every year, money we will NEVER see again. Does this help our economy?

    How about the BILLIONS the American taxpayers fork out for the ANCHOR BABIES, the schooling of them, the medical care and the list goes on, and on, and on.

    How about the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS paid to jail ILLEGAL ALIENS for the crimes, then the cost to deport them. Does this help our economy?

    Then you have these activist groups, the Catholic Church and the ACLU that want AMNESTY for these ILLEGAL ALIENS. It would be absolute suicide for this Country if AMNESTY were granted to the 20 million or so ILLEGAL ALIENS. We have more and more people out of work everyday and they want to add another 20 million to this Country? I say, “NO”!

    If AMNESTY were ever granted to these 20 million ILLEGAL ALIENS, you can bet big money that 3 years from now, there would be ANOTHER 3-5 million ILLEGAL ALIENS demonstrating on our soil for AMNESTY.

    An end MUST come to this illegal immigration. The perfect tool we have so far is E-Verify. It MUST be used by ALL businesses and Government Social Services. EVERY employee must be checked! If they are illegal, they are to be dismissed!

    I believe it is time for all 50 States to pass a State law, like Arizona, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Missouri, South Carolina and a few others. It is time for these ILLEGAL ALIENS to go back to their home Country and get out of this Country. The problems they are causing will not go away until the ILLEGAL ALIENS are out of this Country. I think that is plain to see.

    THIS COUNTRY WILL NEVER GET BACK ON IT’S FEET AS LONG AS ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE IN THIS COUNTRY NO MATTER HOW MANY TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE SPEND!

    • http://yahoo.com Howard Dyer

      Some of you American know the truth, but listen to the bigots, and supporters, of illegal aliens bad mouth our country which gives them a better living then there beloved Mexico, Yes bigot it make me more determined to find you and deport you. You are a worthless Un invited back door socialist. Go back to Mexico, and tell them to leave the illegal aliens along because illegal aliens help Mexican economy, and see what happen to your sorry butts. Yes America hater, I know you, who hate American whites, because we earn our living and pay for your sorry uneducated mouth to curse us and lecture us for not giving you more welfare, health care and pay for your teen whores who dump there filth on our hospital emergency room because sorry Mexican males who knock them up is so proud of babies he hide from the teen whore on due date. , public education you don’t want anyway, but enjoy dumbing down education to the idiot level, and this is not enough you have to disrupt the class, and gang upon those who don’t like you, then bully and beat up those who stand up to your kind only in a gang because you are afraid of what will happen, but you dirty cowards want face Americans who will solve you smart mouth problems and you had better stay in the dark, because America is about to turn mean after all you drove down wages while working cheap for American fat cat bar and grills, Obama;s has been found out, and his change we can believe is clearly a left wing socialist, who will be stopped.

    • http://BobLivingston,PersonalLiberty JO ANN

      Ride on for E-VERIFY. This is the greatest thing our country has for dealing with the illegal immigrant situation. In the $780? stimulus package passed this year, E-VERIFY was in the House bill and the Senate bill, however, when it went to committee (last time for a vote) somehow it got taken out??????????? I would urge everyone to go to “NumbersUSA ” to keep updated on E-VERIFY where you can call and fax your representatives all the time It is a great site and is definitely working for the good of ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS.

      • Say No to E-VERIFY

        “E-Verify is bad policy for both employers and employees, and now we discover it would also be bad for taxpayers and senior citizens, costing more than $40 billion in lost tax and Social Security revenue,” said Tim Sparapani, senior legislative counsel for the ACLU. “With less than 1% of employers participating in the optional verify program currently in place, it has already faced staggering bureaucratic problems. Halting the expansion of such a system should be a no-brainer politically for any member of Congress hoping to keep their job. Retiring members voting for the bill would do well to remember they, too, could face ridiculous hiring delays of an E-Verified workforce. The CBO’s estimate should signal to House members that the Shuler-Tancredo E-Verify bill is the wrong approach to immigration policy.” Sparapani continued, “E-Verify should be scrapped.”

    • http://att sonya

      the thing you folks are not understanding is that the Government should charge them five thoussand dollars plus the fine for the immigrantion fees and also depending on how long the have been here the cost of working without payong taxes should be a fine also them we would have some money to stimulate the econnomy and help to take the stress off the Government at this time so i do agree that they should pay if they want to stay here, lets stop the hate and show some love because its omnly the love of our fellow man will help us throurg and that’s what God wants us to do we are our brother’s keeper and if we just stop looking at other and ssaythey are elligal , there is no such thing we are ALL GOD ‘S CHILDREN AND ITS IS HOUSE AND IS WORLD WE ARE PUT HERE TO TAAKE CARE OF THIS LAND AND ENJOY IT ONE TO ANOTHER SO LET GIVE SOME LOVE AND NO HATE , I HOPE YOU ALL WILL AGREE WITH ME ON THIS ONE .

      • RBM

        Sonya,

        It’s called ACCOUNTABILITY! God expects us to obey ALL Laws including the Laws of foreign lands that we visit. Or, in this case, break into! Try going to Canada and do the same crap the illegal Mexicans do here! Say good bye to your freedom!

  • leo

    just like the mass immigration from europe to america during late 19th n early 20th centuries,anyone else is entitled to do the same,any colour any race. It makes sense to label any other comments in contradiction to this as racist.

    • john kainrath

      so what the hell are we gonna do put a statue of obama up at every port of entry cause the liberty is staying in NY harbor

    • http://yahoo.com Howard Dyer

      You know Leo, mass immigration from any where is bad, and as for you calling American racist you need to step back and realize our laws state who can come here and stay, not a Mexican or a foreigner or immigrate in green card status, only citizen, and true we have a lot of Un American on your side. Because they are either benefiting from your cheap labor, or they are liberals who has no clue of what our constitution states. Reading your comment clearly review your educational background, and we do not want Mexico or South Americans uneducated or educated to use us as a dumping ground for there un wanted. By the way calling us racist is not a way to get you mass immigration.

  • R. Richard Fusilier

    Prevention of illegal entry and deportation, with a penalty if a second attempt at illegal entry. Enforcement of a law must be swift and just. We cannot continue granting amnesty and it now should not be considered. Over-population and flooding of illegals causes, poverty, budget deficits and havoc in the work force and availability of jobs and housing and even adversely affects elections. (Further, regardless of the clause about being born here being a citizen, there is holding that “When 2 nationals illegally enter the U.S. without intent to permanently reside herein, as evidenced by INS application or declaration, etc, their baby born here is also a National of their Alien country and not a USA citizen. There is no such thing as dual citizenship. How can one swear allegiance to this Nation and owe allegiance to an Alien nation, tell me. One problem, under, and after the FDR adm. Aliens took charge of INS enforcement or lack of it. over natural sympathy for the displaced

    • Linda B

      Richard….ILLEGALS ALSO BRING” DESEASE “TO OUR COUNTRY..BECAUSE they NEVER ARE VACCINATED!!!

      • http://att sonya

        Richard: you are so wrong it’s not only the illegals, that have deseases everyone of us comes down with these things, or some kinds of illness, also people comes into this country for different reason i do agree that it is unlawful to enter into another country without inspections but they are here and we have to do something so i do agree with some form of a program to make the persons legal, what i do think is that they should pay a big fine to get some form of legal status into this country, remember these folks have been here for a long time so fine them and let them wiat for along time before they get citizenship after they pay the big fine.

      • Latin Babe

        Sonya,
        You’ve got to be kidding. Yes, they bring disease. However, the disease they bring we
        haven’t had in the US in decades. You are so wrong what about their anchor babies. Not
        only do they have to be fined, but sent back with all their children they had free of charge
        on the back of the American Tax Payers!

  • Funny Hernandez

    Hernandez you are a MINUTEMAN racist. I see you’re still working for the minutemen. Get a life.

  • Larry A. Hollis

    I believe they will sale their own Mother’s ( Children Also )for a vote, to stay in POWER. One more reason to make them vote on a TERM LIMIT for Themselfs. I though Two Terms should be the limit, after watching those????? in Washington and around the Country make fools of themselfs, I think we should vote the ????? out after the first Term, send them back home with out Insurance , Pensions , and put them back to work, like the rest of us that works for a living!!!! While we are at it, if anyone of them takes a bribe or anything from Lobbyist, or any source. Try Them in a (HONEST COURT OF LAW) and let the punishment fit the CRIME.

  • bullet girl

    3 years ago i wrote economi will shut down ,it s happen .he promised t o hispanic vote for me i will resolve immigration mess.he didint he failed then people legal or illegal hispanic or onothe rs stop the invesment here.its no t 12 million 20 million people illlegal maybe more they didint pay mortgage they didint pay credit card.legals has brothers and sisters illegal they vote for them result what happen: no money no hope no job no invesment . god punished all of us.

    • http://yahoo.com Howard Dyer

      ullet girl: You have been very observant, and correct in your assumption, but notice the liberal media such as MSNBC, CNN, and others never speak or write about just how MANY mortgages and credit cards is unpaid by illegal aliens.

      That why Obama is buying up the acid assets of all bad mortuaries, and reducing the payments and providing 1000 per month for 5 years so they can stay here and live with tax payer help. UN fair and we should be up in arms against this take over by Obama and his European socialist destruction machine. Nobody is talking about this crisis, and it growing. We need a nation wide call for impeachment, for his lies. Line by line reviews put on the internet for us to see and comment on but that did not happen and now 10 trillion dollars debt, and double next year. We can no make it and borrowing to prevent a bankruptcy is not going to happen.

  • Larry A. Hollis

    Why is it? We the People Keep on putting up with those Bumbs In any form of our Government?

    • jennifer

      you the bum ,who do you think you are ,most of you are not native american , i am sure your parents or your grandparent come from another country.

      • Linda B

        JENNIFER, SURELY YOU ARE NOT AS STUPID AS YOU SOUND!!! THE “KEY” WORD YOU IDIOT….IS “LEGALLY” in this country. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS “LEGALLY”…..

      • Linda B

        Jennifer….STAND IN LINE…GO THROUGH THE “LEGAL” PROCESS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE…

      • Medina

        Yes, they were immigrant . but were here legaly with their documents and through the front door, not through the back door. Illegal aliens are law breakers! They are NOT above the law!

  • Sharon Sharp

    I don’t understand why people in our government are so protective of the illegals when it is against the law and these people are breaking the law daily. There is not another country in the world who lets this happen nor do they take care of the illegals because if they sneak in then they are on their own especially with medical and living expenses. Why is our government so crooked that they won’t even tell the illegals that this is against the law? No wonder there are so many crooked people in America. It starts with the government officials and goes all the way to the executive branch and all of this is so the democrats can claim more votes. I hope everyone of them gets voted out as they should.

    • jennifer

      what do you mean by breaking the law , immigrants are hard working people ,you american always crying that they are taking your jobs away no they not you all are lazy your want to stay home and let the government take care of you .shut up

      • Linda B

        Jennifer, do you not know that it is ILLEGAL (meaning..AGAINST THE LAW) to enter the United States Of America without PERMISSION from our Government???????? Americans ARE HARD WORKING PEOPLE ALSO,AND YOU CAN SEE THAT BY LOOKING AT THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY THAT WE BUILT.It is sad that Mexicans RUN from their own country, INSTEAD of staying to help build their OWN country to be a wonderful place. It is the ILLEGALS that are LAZY…THEY come here because THEY are too LAZY to build up, THEIR OWN COUNTRY….
        You are VERY IGNORANT Jennifer!!

      • Linda B

        Jennifer, were you BORN STUPID????

      • Randy

        Randy Reply to Jennifer and Linda B
        The US government is not to blame. It is the corrupt politicians, representatives and appointees (and many of our presidents) who have not upheld the law. You know the REAL law. The CONSTITUTION.
        America had a revolution a couple hundred years ago. Do you remember reading about it? After we won our freedom from oppression from the “mother country” we began to develop a country based on a new set of principals. You can read about it later. And you should. The point is that at that time Americans had to take a stand. If they hadn’t, we might still be bowing to some King or Queen. They fought and they died. They won after much sacrifice. Much sacrifice. Mexicans, you have a beautiful country. Unfortunately for you there is much corruption in your government. Your living conditions are even worse than America had before and during our revolution. There is only one solution for you. And it will be painfully expensive. It will cost you many lives and much hardship. But, when it’s over you will have a country to be proud of. A life of freedom from oppression. A home where your children can play ortside without fear of being kidnaped. You MUST start your revolution. Pray for leadership within who will promote the values you want. Pray for courage, conviction, intelligence and guidance. You should know that Americans are not a race. Mexicans are not a race. We are decendents of native North Americans and Europeans. In my opinion there is only one race…HUMAN. Humans are LaRaza. Not Mexicans, Americans, British, German or Martian. Humans are the race. America will come to your aid if you show courage and conviction. America has always come to the aid of those who are oppressed. Look at our history and see that. America is not perfect by any means. We have problems of our own as you can see by current world opinion and the differences between our own people here at home. But please, show me a better country. Show me a country that attracts people from all over the world. A country that these people are willing to move to INSPITE of its problems. Show me a country anywhere that has the desire, dedication and the will to fight for your right to freedom. Show me that country or build that country there in Mexico so we can become the neighbors we should be.

      • Robin from Indiana

        Jennifer… You must be trying to see how many people you can get mad at the same time. You are some sort of ‘plant’ to keep the posts coming. You really can’t be for real, because if you are you must be here illegally. Your posts are very defensive. Are you afraid that someone will find out where you are and send you back?

      • rose dell

        Jennifer; you are right. Some ,maybe most illegal immigrants are hard working people. Unfortunately, they are also breaking the laws of our country. This is the greatest country in the world and we are willing to accept immigrants from all over the globe,but they must enter here legally. The taxpayers in this country cannot and should not be required to feed, cloth, educate and medicate illegal immigrants from any country when we are having a rough job taking care of our own legal citizens. Think a little harder about this because a good many illegal immigrants that are here are not hard workers but criminals.

      • Medina

        You sound like complete ignorant person. It seems you don’t understand of being illegal aliens. It means the are breaking our laws and we are a nations of laws. No one is above the law and should be sent back where they come from. If they want to be here, get all the documents needed like everyone do honest and responsible. These illegal aliens are taking away our job, believe or not. You are completely blinded by the lies : Americans would not do the jobs illegal aliens are doing. Who were doing those jobs before the Invasion of illegal aliens? It was the American workers, students blacks and whites. Our country is becoming a 3rd. world country slum little by little.These people are accomplishing their political agenda to take the land we won during the war with Mexico without firing a shot!

      • Peaches

        You are right. They are invading our country because they feel that we stole it from them and if we are not watchful, they will take over our Government. By, By Americans

      • Bobbi

        jennifer, i agree w/Rose … a good many illegal immigrants are hard-working and have contributed to our society. We all are in agreement that it is not fair to the Americans who are trying to find work, pay their taxes while there is nothing coming from the illegal immigrants. If they want to stay, they need to go through the ‘proper’ channels as all immigrants have. As someone personally involved in a situation, i’m appalled & outraged at the ‘freebies’ these people are entitled to – over someone born, raised, outstanding citizen, serving in military – it is indeed…insane! As an American citizen, I feel I should be entitled over someone here illegally. The key word: ILLEGAL

    • leo

      breaking the law daily??? what you’re on about??? the only crime(if any in this case) is the manner at which they’ve managed to get in(and they’ve paid for it over the years for sure). There probably haven’t been an alternative route for them. but since then, the vast majority of them are havin a clean sheet with no criminal records on it. much more serious criminals get away with murder but an immigrant is to be blamed for what they’ve once done forever.well at least they provide some people with a scapegoat during societies ups n downs.

      • Linda B

        LEO…there IS NO CLEAN RECORD..if you or ANYONE is here ILLEGALLY. What happened is…the MINUTE you step foot on AMERICAN SOIL without PROPER PERMISSION…YOU HAVE BROKE THE LAWS OF AMERICA..THEREFORE YOUR “RECORD” IS NOT CLEAN!!! GO HOME AND BUILD YOUR OWN COUNTRY TO BE GREAT..What a bunch of morons!!!

      • Robin from Indiana

        Leo… Does this mean that those who have worked here and got away with it are paying their taxes and paying into social security? Who are you trying to kid? You are a fool if you think the record is clean for these people. You are either very young and naive, or an illegal yourself. Anyone here illegally needs to be deported. End of story!

      • Tom

        If someone broke into your house, and you were forced to feed, clothe, educate, and provide medical care, would you still say the really didn’t comit a crime. After all it was only the way they got into your house, so it’s not really a crime. If you can honestly say yes, then publish your address so some illegal immigrants can come for a visit.

  • Don Quixote

    It’s not amnesty if it involves paying fines, fees and back taxes as appropriate. The nativist restrictionists have taken the word amnesty and have redefined it as a bad word that means ANY solution other than the mass incarceration and deportation of 12 million people. I’m tired of the same old stupid fruitless arguments. It’s time to elevate the discourse to a level that is fair, pragmatic and humane. Those who scream “NO AMNESTY” in response to comprehensive reforms never offer reasonable alternatives. All you know how to do is scream and yell and attack like spoiled children who want their way or no way. Put up (a reasonable proposal) or shut up!

    The amnesty of ’86 did not cause subsequent unauthorized immigration. The true causes are a) a historically unprecedented booming economy which required more labor hands, b) an obsolete immigration system that didn’t accomodate the new market demands; c) utter lack of enforcement of the laws directed at employers themselves. People don’t uproot their whole lives just because some two decades ago, a few got amnesty.

    • NO AMNESTY

      When you spread your own rhetoric and lies while accusing others of screaming like spoiled children, you show just what a gasbag you are. Paying a simple fine and/or 5 years of back taxes (which is a great deal for those that have illegally lived here for 15 or 20) is STILL jumping the line ahead of those who are doing the right thing by LEGALLY immigrating. Not to mention the fact that they are ALREADY HERE and will still be undercutting our jobs and sucking up our social services that are supposed to be for our citizens in their times of need. I know illegals that are doing this in two states, so this is not an isolated incident. Our Federal government has turned a blind eye to this and the illegals. Where we agree is that It is time to dry up the source by going after those who are giving them the jobs. And don’t give me this accommodating market demands B.S. because those who arrived illegally had no intention, whatsoever, of applying for a work visa (yes, we have a several work visa programs available). All legal immigrants give something up for the honor and right to become United States citizens, so get off that line about not being able to mass incarcerate or deport. The answer is tent cities (like in Phoenix) on the border until arrangements are made. It’s still more humane than the treatment we would get sneaking into their countries. Do your homework instead of parrotting others.

      • George

        It is a miracle that the illegals aren’t shot when they cross the border.

        If so, it would send a message to come over to this country legally, and those that are already here would heed the message and go home or also face the possibility of being shot dead where they live or work.

    • Dan

      Go after employers who hire “illeagel immigarants” with large fines. Where ever this has been done the problem was solved AND the wages of the citizen replacements went up. No jobs available then the immigrants went back home.

    • http://yahoo.com Howard Dyer

      As you have pointed out before you demand us to shut up, proves why we should find the illegal aliens where ever they may be and immediately deport them with there children to Mexico or Asia, and let there government deal with there Children.

      You are the best friend Mexico has, but the majority of American wants our immigration laws enforced. Deportation for the smart mouth who curses America, and then claims it there Country, The rest of us feel you Mexican, Asian, and an Arabs should not violate our boarders All of which the 20 to 40 millions who came did, then stole our jobs, and worked cheap until you become Unionized and got your courage to insult America

      As you have pointed out before you demand us to shut up, proves why we should find the illegal aliens where ever they may be and immediately deport them with there children to Mexico or Asia, and let there government deal with there Children.

      You are the best friend Mexico has, but the majority of American wants our immigration laws enforced. Deportation for the smart mouth who curses America, and then claims it there Country, The rest of us feel you Mexican, Asian, and an Arabs should not violate our boarders All of which the 20 to 40 millions who came did, then stole our jobs, and worked cheap until you become Unionized and got your courage to insult America.

      We the people are not to blame for you being here, it a federal government, now control by socialist like your great country you love so much but had to leave in order to work. Now we are for at least until the next election a Socialist egg sucking liberal bleeding heart for all illegal aliens, and lazy poor uneducated Citizen. As a result this is about to destroy all Jobs, and you want us to pay for law breakers because they was too ignorant and had families here at our expense also. But you feel we should love this insulting race of uneducated workers, who got here by the back door and cheated others from immigration due to them jumping a head of the line, Now you want us to make a accept ion and change our laws to allow law breakers a reward for there insults, there hate of American citizen is clear. Now America hands are tied, but in a short time America is waking up again and things will change. I hope before some illegal aliens hater take care of the problem for the 30 million who feel curseing us for public education, emergency room care, birth care at a hospital you choose. Still this isn’t enough our government has been helping illegal aliens while taxing us for there spending sprees. Question is just where is your loyalty to America?

      Next you have no ideal of what you are saying first you have no authority to tell us what to do. Where to you have civil rights as a law breaker to say anything about what our economy needs, or what laws we decide to pass that you do not like. Got it … Well that how it is under our constitution. By the way being a citizen means you can make laws, and we have and by the help of liberal fools they have been illegally struck down. Just how long do you thing we are going to allow this to go on? Right now if you are one of those 20 million law breaker demanding amnesty I would be getting a little nervous because the majority of conservative have had enough, now the other dead head American is not liking the job situation and they too are ready to move on you miss treated illegal aliens with families.

      As for our economy it our business, and if labor is need I think we can allow uneducated labor in but not over the needs of intelligent people who we value more. these are the immigrate I want and they love freedom and chance to become a citizen, not the trash that come and demand we educated them while they disrupt and dumb down education to there level, and talk the trash of LA RAZA, who claims about all of the western states for Mexico. Forget it that will never happen.

  • bullet girl

    time for amnesty.people have to right berath,legal or illegal .time for be together put in the people economi if you against that nothing change because they have already job so if they legal they have to pay their penalties they own tax.racist act always return badly back.

    • Tom

      Bullet Girl, Sending people back to their country will not take away their right to breath. Individuals do NOT have the right to violate the immigration laws of another country regardles of their circumstances. It is apparent that either english is not your native language, or your education was lacking. Neither one is an attack on you personaly, if english is not you primary language I commend you on trying to learn it, and if you were not educated properly, I would recommend you go back to school. Succeding will be much easier the better educated you are. Not wanting illegal immigration is not racist, however wanting to allow those who break laws to not be punished, is condoning breaking the law. Regardless of the reason, no one should be rewarded for breaking the law. Our country was build by legal immigrants comming to this country to make a better life for themselves, I am all in favor of legal immigration, but when they think they can ignore our laws, thats where I have a problem and believe anyone who comes here illegally should not enjoy any of the benefits of this great country and be returned to where the came from.

    • RBM

      Bullet Girl,

      I am NATIVE American. If I were to go to MEXICO ILLEGALLY I would more than likely be shot or imprisoned. But that’s OK! Right? I cannot get FREE food, medical attention or shelter in Mexico. However, I would NEVER TRESPASS onto another persons property and expect them to feed me, cloth me, pay my medical bills etc… because you don’t want to leave. What you people have done is nothing short of treason and robbery. When are you going to be paying back ALL of the money you have STOLEN from the AMERICAN People? Whats that? Never? Oh, I get it. You think we stole this land from you. You are not only uneducated you are completely misinformed and ignorant. Come back to this COUNTRY when you can read, write, and follow the SIMPLE directions in obtaining citizenship. I’m sorry Mexico suck’s, but that’s not my fault. Try looking in your mirror. It’s easy to see those who fail to follow directions.

      • Andrew Klein

        RBM,
        Quit bitching about the money the “white man” owes you. As I recall, Senator Dawes from the late 1800′s convinced the Congress to offer you Native Americans money for the Black Hills. Did you take it? NO. So we go to war and we all know that anything goes in war.

  • HernandezUSA

    “Representative Luis Gutierrez (Democrat-Illinois) ” is RACIST $0b pushing a SINGLE RACE agenda across this nation, through groups like “La RAZA”.

    Groups like “La RAZA” are NOT pushing all Americans come to together regardless of RACE to men/woman can be treated equally. The great MLK did that for us years ago……….No, LA RAZA is RACIST group that has guilt tripped Liberal WHITE Americans to hand over the Western part of the United States over to Mexico to fulfill an mythical proficy of Aztlan and we have seen how well Mexico has done with own worthless country. ( go Google the truth about La RAZA and Mecha ).

    These RACIST groups need to be STOP, just like how we have STOPPED many other groups like the KKK from taking power in the United States.

    Americans come 1st.

    • Andrew Klein

      Your right Hernandez, Americans should always come first. In fact, I wonder why we even grant illegal immigrants any rights at all. People say they take the jobs we don’t want but their is a better way to stimulate the economy. Expel the aliens and punish our vast prison population by putting them to work. All the money they earn could go to the victims and their families instead of Guadalajara, Mexico.

  • Estoban

    Why is Gutierrez seeking amnesty for illegal aliens? The amnesty of 1986 was to have been the last. It was to have brought an end to illegal aliens overstaying visas and stealing across our borders. It failed miserably! Since then, anywhere from 8 million to 40 million illegal aliens have been colonizing our country. Every Congress and President since Reagan has failed to act to prevent this invasion. The laws are there, but unfunded and minimally used. Now we have Pelosi saying that it is unAmerican to do the minuscule enforcement of our laws that ICE has been carrying out. UnAmerican? Is she insane? These people we have elected, like Pelosi and Gutierrez swore an oath of office to uphold our Constitution, to uphold our laws! They should be removed from office, as their positions are harming millions of American families. They are failing to serve and protect.

    • jennifer

      you need to shut the hell up you are insane, you miserable soul.

      • Estoban

        jennifer, you certainly have a right to your opinion and thank God we have the protected right of Freedom of Speech.

      • http://AOL Roy

        I just wish if our country would let me I would go south to protect our borders free of charge they won’t even have to buy my coffee but I want to protect it just the way I was trained in 72 I promise to protect our country from all enemys from any lands including our own. I hate to see our country flooded with illegals they take our jobs they cause inflaton in our cities and the stupid bastards won’t even try to speak our language which is very dangerous. They come into our country and get welfare and live in homes 6 to 8 family’s to a house they don’t care how they live here they just want the money, The way I look at it our country is being stolen away from our childern and their childern in the next ten years just think what our country will be .

      • operagost

        Technically, that wasn’t an opinion, but a simple personal attack. All of Estoban’s facts are true, and Jennifer doesn’t like them– so she pulls out the old “ad hominem”.

        The media keeps trotting out the term “anti-immigration” when these groups are usually simply for the enforcement of immigration laws. If we removed all immigrant quotas, let everyone have a green card who wanted it, but secured the borders so that we kept track of every head, it would still be FAR preferable to the current lawless situation.

      • RBM

        Jennifer,

        If you have no respect for the LAWS of this land you will be subject to its prosecution. Its a shame idiots such as yourself won’t confront people face to face with your ignorant comments. People like YOU are the reason this nation will be taken back by those of us in authority to do so. That is an expense you cannot afford. SO…….. keep opening your mouth so we know where to aim!

    • leo

      please don’t talk about colonization by immigrants as this word started existing by colonizing immigrants’s own countries and that’s why those countries lag now.
      thank you.

    • Charleen

      I agree with Estoban’ comments. In1986 as a case manager for mentally ill clients who were here illegally. I assisted those clients to apply for amnesty, believing that amnesty for those already here would end the practice of people entering the country illeagally because we would have better enforcement of immigration laws & better protection of the borders. Now we have found that amnesty only encourages another round of people coming in expecting that ther will be another amnesty to grant them citizenship. Even with the all the loss of jobs for native born & Naturalized persons Obama & Congress want to grant a path to citizenship to 12 million illegal workers who under cut the pay scale & take jobs Americans would love to have. If they pass this proposed law we will have an even bigger flood of illegal workers looking for amnesty in 20 to 30 yrs.
      We can’t provide jobs for the people we have. Why shoould we take on the burden of people whoes health care, jobs, & education should be provided by their home countries? They may or may not be lovely people but charity sholud begin at home. If bleeding hearts want to provide for these people who disrespect our laws, & steal Soc. Sec. numbers to work under illeagally let them form a charity to support them in their own countries.

    • rose dell

      What a question to ask. "Is she insane" This is Nancy Pelosi your talking about. Of course she is; plus selfish, greedy,domineering ,hypocritical and self-rightious to name just a few.

    • Medina

      Sir you are completely right. Amnesty did not work the first time and will not work today, either. These so called “leader” are just pandering for the illegal vote, since we have laws but, just for adorning the books. If they are enforced we are called An-American, racist, bigots, etc.. Political correctness is making our country a 3rd. world country slum. Only blinded people can’t see it or don’t want accepted, but just wait and you will see those in favor to be the first ones to throw the stone. As soon they can’t get the job need, health care, medicine, crowded schools with kids who don’t even know their own language who are keeping their kids at low marks, there will be hell raised. You know everything is OK, but when it home or some one step on their foot, they want it stopped, but by that time will be too late.
      I agree with you the Pelosi group in Congress had to go or we will loose our country. It is already in bankruptcy. They all had become Saint Nicholas given the money that don’t belong to them and now the White House is an entertainment place for friends, instead of being solving the debacle economy crisis!
      These group just are self-centered and enhancing their own bank accounts and their
      special interest bureaucrats campaign donors lobbyists.

    • Ron

      Right on Medina. The truth hurts, but so true.

    • Howard

      I think that if you take a deeper look into this problem that you will find it’s all about tax revenue. There were a large number of people born during the baby boomer generation. after which our population growth stagnated to allmost 0, therefore there are not enough people in the job pool to employ let alone cover the upcoming cost of retirement. So like Europe import your labor pool and forget about the impending problems. I understand that most of these people will not pay income taxes but they and there employers will pay social security and medicare/medicad taxes. And like most of Europe the U.S. will pay the same price.

  • Steve Ford

    Ther is nothing we can do about it. It is too late . You didn’t listen years ago when people tried to tell you. Now if you think there are just too damn many people , you are a racist. (unless you’re black) because then you have immunity from the race card. How could you be so cruel to these people who just want what you’ve got.NO they want yours.

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