Mark is correct about the gospel, however when the government turns to tyranny then check what else God said.

The FEDERAL RESERVE and INCOME TAX came into being around 1913 and wasn’t fully ratified by a 2/3rd’s majority.We have all been screwed since then.Our Money was originaly supposed to be controlled by the TRESURY DEPT. and CONGRESS.The FEDERAL RESEVE is a Private Bank.Otherwise We would have interest free money.SUCKS HUH?One of the resons the REVOLUTIONARY WAR was fought was because of a centeral bank.The Bank of England Taxed the Money the Colonist were using.So Why aren’t We Rioting in the Streets?

First of all after reading some of these post, I would like to say watch, Freedom to Fascism. You hear it right from the horse’s mouth about the privately owned Federal Reserve. Congressmen and the head of the Federal Reserve who wrote the tax code. Paying federal income tax is VOLUNTARY not mandatory. However the ex head of the fed says that mandatory and voluntary are the same thing.
The reason why people are convicted in court of not paying income tax is the lower courts will not allow Supreme Court decisions into court.
If all courts are supposed to be in line with the Supreme Court rulings, then how can this happen. It is up to the jury to know the law and act accordingly, even over turning a judges or anyone else’s decision. The constriction gives us more power than the president or any other member of the government, most people do not realize this.
As far as the case of AL Capone, I believe he was convicted because he ran a business and was convicted of not paying income tax on it.
That is perfectly constitutional and legal; businesses are required to pay federal income tax. Individuals are not. Research it. I urge everyone to watch Aaron Russo’s Freedom To Fascism. Another excellent source of information about the fed is book by Edward Griffin The Creature From Jekyll Island you can find this book and the video on his website http://www.freedom-force.org it’s under the Reality Zone section.
About rendering unto Czar what is Czar’s, it never was his.
What did Jesus do in the moneychanger’s temple; he didn’t give them a bailout that’s for sure
These are the same people who orchestrated this current economic crisis, their push for a one-world government, a one world monetary system, so they can control it.
Don’t listen to me do your own research. See for yourself

First and foremost, you need to understand that we are no longer under the old laws but under commercial law. The UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) is the law of the land now, and all courts are commercial courts. This has been so since the United States declared bankruptsy (in the 30s I believe). That declaration of bankruptsy has never been rescinded, so we as a country are still in default to our creditors (foreign banks mostly). However, the UCC has a remedy. UCC 203 and UCC 207 allow citizens to reserve their rights (under Common Law). In essense, UCC 207 allows you to to reserve your rights not to be compelled to perform in a contract or a commercial agreement that you did not enter knowingly, admittedly, or intentionally, and that you do not accept the liability of the compelled benefit of any unrevealed contract or commercial agreement. This is the only out we have, and we have to be careful when going about it. You have to sign (or stamp) every signature you give with the words “Without Prejudice UCC 207″, or “All Rights Reserved UCC 207″. This shows that you reserve your rights under UCC 207. Failure to do this gives implied consent that you agree to abide by all the terms of the contract and accept unconditionally all the implied benefits. This is where the Social Security number comes in. The second you accept a SSN, without reserving your rights, you agree to abide by all the hidden requirements that go with a SSN (like paying taxes). Of course, failure to obtain, or by act, rescinding your SSN, can make life tough. You can still work, but you can’t get a bank account, or a credit card, most likely a driver’s license. You become a non-person so to speak. And what good is it if you can draw a paycheck, but can’t cash it. I know I have oversimplified this, but just Google Uniform Commercial Code, as well as UCC 207, and you will find a plethora of info on this subject.

Someone once published a book called: “The Law That Never Was”
Can’t remember the author but was about this fraud (IRS).

It will soon be in God’s hands.

For those Christians who read the Bible. Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser’s. The first question we should ask is what is Ceasers? Does it not all belong to God? The nextthing we as Christians should ask ourselves is who or what is te ruler in Amrica? Is it the president or congress? Is it the people? What is the highest law of the land? I say it is the people who are the rulers and the Constitution is the highest law of the land. If the president and congress extort money from you it is no different than a thief with a gun extorting money from you. Resisting such extorton is not against God’s Word. Read deeper and understand how our country was formed and try to understand we a country ruled by laws and those are the laws God instituted for America. Presently we have criminals running our lives. We mus resist. God says to resit evil!

those tax dollars you pay go to the Federal Reserve for interest on the fed notes they give you , they are bankers not part of the government , there is never an audit of the fed and there is no real govt control
the constitution says
congress shall have the right to-
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

the fed notes are unconstitutional!
we don’t need a central bank
we have not always had one
the federal reserve is the third try and just as bad as the first two

So just are we the people to do ?? as they say you can run but you can’t hide
Really what is the average middle income couple to do ?? ( anyone )

They come, they go and who remembers their names after their terms. They get their benefits of retirement and medical. We vote in November, we paid our taxes in April. Will we remember their names, no. It just goes on and on and not any of us has the nerve to stop it. It is a shame, that Rome lasted longer then the United States.

It is voluntary. Where people get into trouble is that they enter into invisable contracts and subject themselves to the IRS code vountarily. Don’t give your S.S.# when getting I job. It’s not required by law. They will tell you it is and it won’t be easy but if you do your homework you will find that a S.S.# is not required by law for a job, a bank account or any other thing that you are doing when asked for it. If you can first get an acceptance leter first from a prospective employer to show they did find you qualified for the job. If they then refuse to hire for refusing a S.S.# you can get them on privacy act and other issues. Once you give the S.S.# you are now visable to the IRS. If you don’t give the S.S.# they can’t see you or your income. There is a lot more going on with other remedies but remember this one thing and you will never hear from the IRS again.

I have a personal friend who objected to paying income tax. The IRS hounded him and broke him financially. They attached his pay beyond what they are legally allowed and when he presented proof of the voluntary nature of the income tax to corporate attorneys they replied: “We are convincd but are not about to go against the IRS”. I for one am afraid to oppose them.

There’s a lot of discussion about whether or not the Internal Revenue Code is legal or not, applicable or not, ratified or not, and on and on. The “code” is absolutely perfect, as written IF it is applied properly. The next time you are having a chat with your accountant or attorney (people who are supposed to be soooooo knowledgeable about such things) ask him / her how section 83 of the IRC applies to your gross income….just my 2 cents worth.

We should know,after all these years those bumbs in Washington and States Goverments, and City are in this thing for themselfs and not us, the Peasants! When a Lawyer or Judge which is a Lawyer or Others is sent to any form of Goverment, that suppose to serve the Peasants! He is in it for himself and all the backdoor money he can get when he gets there; through the lobbyists!! We the people should demand a term limit on all offices held by these bumbs. It is sad to see a politician who makes it to a seat; in any form of Goverment, that goes into this office as a middle, lower income or a millonare; parts this office as a multi, multi millionaire!!!! This tells me he isn’t nothing but a crock; which in the two justice system, the rich has their justice system, and the poor has another system. Who rules the Justice System? The crocked Lawyers and Judges, this is why we see these little slaps on the wrist, when their buddies get caught-up in their thieving scams! Let a poor Peasant’s get caught taking a loaf of bread from a rich man and see how many years he gets in prison!! We should make a Law that it will be a Hanging Offense for any Politican that is caught taking bribes, money or any gifts from any one while in office, and from these dirty lobbyist!!! Hang a few of them on Main Streets, and we will strighten out our Goverment

We know for a fact that all elected officials are “honest”. A shining example is the late Senator Paul Welstone, son of poor Russian immigrants. college professor at a private liberal college who died in a plane crash leaving an estate of twelve million dollars after serving just over one term in the US senate. America, land of opportunity!

good idea but if i rember when my grandson was born 6yrs ago i believe he came home with the forms filled out at the hospital.
maybe we need to go back to midwifes …when and where does it stop?
if lawyers are involved then really where do we go?
they can’t even get the courts to force a birthcertifcate for obama..
we all know there is something with this picture but we can’t change it..

**Maybe we need to tell our children never to get a social security card but start their retirement plan by having whoever they work for put a certain percent into a special fund. Then never pay income tax or have income tax deducted from their paycheck.
From March 8th Corral Ridge TV program they had a saying something like this. Look upon the Federal Government as a watch dog you feed and not as a cow to feed you.
Socialism is legal plundering wake up citizens.

Actually to clarify this, it is unconstitutional to tax’s one labor. Google a video called America. Freedom to Facism, directed professionally by Aron Russo. This will most certainly educate you …as well as alarm you. Also, google the name Joe Bannister. He was a former IRS agent who’s job was to go anywhere in the country and in the middle of night with the element of surprise put a gun to people’s head who didn’t pay their taxes. A christian from a good family, Bannister wasn’t quite sure that what he did for the IRS was in essence legal. After wrestling with his conscience and many hours of lost sleep, and upon the insistance by his wife, he asked his supervisor if what he was order to do was legal? Shorly after, he was asked to resign. Bannister, also a CPA, exclaimed that indeed the income tax i.e. tax on one’s labor is illegal. He, as a result didn’t report his income tax. After many years of court and near bankruptcy he finally prevailed. I’ll let Bannister tell the rest! Friends, download that America. Freedom to Facism now! Invite friends over and watch it together it’s about two hours long and you WILL find some if not most of the contents disturbing.

Best Wishes
Aman

“Seems to me like the judge didn’t interpret the law in that way.” More then likely they interpreted the law, according to, what I always thought, was the origin of the income tax. A tax institututed to fight the 1st World War, **”The 16th Amendment states, “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.” Legislation that was never ratified by the majority, but on February 25, 1913, “Secretary of State Philander Knox , simply declared it to be “ineffect”, but never stating it was lawfully ratified. The U.S. Supreme Court rejected any claims that the 16th Amendment changed the constitutional limits on direct taxes in Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R. Co., 240 U.S. 1, when they ruled that it “created no new power of taxation” and that it “did not change the constitutional limitations which forbid any direct taxation of individuals”. ” http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/ratification.asp

I find it hard to believe that the “common” person could ever get by with what the “elite” can.

I will soon be 59 years old, and “for the first time in my adult life”, I am not proud of my country. This is insanity and frightening at the least.

Over 51% of the electorate have now figured out that they can suck their existance from the rest of us tax payors. I was raised a democrat, turned republican in the late 70′s and now I’m just plain angry.

Something must be done and soon, or there will not be anything left.

If you ALREADY have a Social Security card–and you ALREADY have filed an employee deduction form anywhere–they have you.
You have already agreed to “voluntarily” pay income taxes!
SOOO–this voluntary tax is like a giant snake throat–lots of teeth pointing down. Easy slide down the throat, almost NEVER get to back up!
WE mostly can’t do this–only kids who are born and their parents do NOT get them a card ever–will not have to comply.
My mother never had a SS card until my Dad died–then she HAD to get one, to collect his SS death benefits. She never paid into SS, or ever filed a 1040—-and Dad did.
With all the emphasis on getting a kid “identified” as soon as it is born–not very many at all are qualified to defy this anymore.
Can we start a movement for our kids? It’s the only legal way.

http://www.endthefed.us/lessons/2.php

One way to make sure all Americans feel good about their Representatives and Government officials is to demand that all Officials be audited, not by the IRS, who is on their payroll, but independent auditors and the results published for all to see. Let’s finally find out if our Officials are trustworthy or just in it for the buck.

This article points to the LAWFUL FACT that most Americans VOLUNTEER TO PAY THE “INCOME” TAX. Understand more by going here: Google howyoubecomeliable dot com. Also read Amazon reviews on the book “Cracking the Code”. Very interesting stuff, that.

Then how did they convict Al Capone for income tax evasion?

Have to wonder why the Survivor winner Richard (somebody) received 10 years in federal prison for tax evasion if there are no laws forcing us to pay taxes.

Seems to me like the judge didn’t interpret the law in that way.

Because you cant beat Uncle Sam. Rooselvelt implemented income tax as a temporary fix to raise money for the World War. Once the government saw how much money it was bringing in, it remained. Any place you work will not allow you to not have taxes taken out, so some people do things like claiming 18 dependants. Now your in trouble, because you broke federal law by lying on your tax returns. But Federal income tax was never ratified, never made a law, but in the current system there is no way out of it, because the lawyers, judges, and government are all in cahoots together, and going up against them, even though they are clearly in violation of law, you cant beat them. However, looking at it on a Godly level, the scriptures do say, “if the government says pay taxes, then pay taxes”. So I would interpret that, that if we dont pay the taxes we are told to pay, that we are going against God’s word, and I dont really want to box with him, because my arms arent long enough.

Federal Income tax has only been with us for about 100 years. It funds the military, police and fire departments, and the seemingly endless list of Federal Government departments which are not funded from other sources. the idea that the U.S. gets everything for free is ludicrous. What hardware company or steel mill would sell the U.S. tools or metals for tanks and aircraft without payment? They would quickly go broke. Go ahead, don’t pay your taxes. You will soon be living in Governemnt funded housing, behind locked prison doors. And if you are not enough of a patriot to pay for the military forces that defend you, why don’t you get the heck out of the U.S. and stay out.

I wonder how many congressman and senators are caught up in the UBS offshore accounts. Al Capone went to jail for income tax evasion. You can bet 52,000 acounts have at least 1 million dollars per account. The money should be confiscated by the IRS and used to pay down the debt. Any elected officials on the list should be thrown out of office.

Robin, it’s called “let’s make a deal”. Unfortunately though, Capone died from something else. What was that something else? And no cheating!

and how many times has someone said your being obsessive over whats going on?
i have been told that everyday for the pas two years at least…

If you are young and not a Liberal you don’t have a heart,
If you are old and not a Conservative you don’t have a brain.
Winston Churchill

I can’t blame you for being angry and even frustrated.
But please don’t blame someone who has seen the light
about whether or not he must pay a tax that doesn’t apply
to him. Like so many others get educated and takle a stand for
righteousness.

Fred

Capone died from VD, namely syphillis

It doesn’t matter what Al Capone died from. He went to Alcatraz for “Tax Evasion”. That is the topic.

a sexually transmitted disease he contracted in his youth, syphilis

End of story!

no more it is

Corruption and injustice indeed! Let’s start with two for certain NY Mayor and multi billionair Michael ” I want another term” Blowberg and congressman Charlie “the red” Rangel

Voters DID demand term limits, several years back, and Members of Congress SUED (and won) to overturn the people’s will. That is the day we lost government of the people, by the people and for the people. God help us.

What do we expect of a country run by lawyers? Ever heard of the missing original 13th Amendment, that read:

“If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain, any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.”

This would, among other things, make it illegal for attorneys (Esquire) to hold office, wouldn’t it? Possibly would prevent foreign ownership of banks or land, and NAFTA might be illegal. I’m no Constitutional law expert, but it seems this could free us from the establishment of lawyers and bankers that currently have a stranglehold on us all.

A certified copy of the Constitution from the State of Maine Archives, dated 1825, shows this amendment. It appeared in official state and territorial documents until 1868, when the Colorado Territory printed a copy of the US Constitution with this Amendment in it. There is some dispute over whether the Amendment was ratified, but given the great benefit it could provide us, it seems worthwhile to pursue it. http://www.uhuh.com/constitution/am13-fgd.htm

I’m 76 years young, retired military, and really can’t understand why the younger generation cannot see that our total system of life is being destroyed from the foundation up.
The youngsters seem to think that it’s the government that should provide for them now that they have left the nest. They “need” free college tuition, “need” increased minimum wage, “need” free medical care etc. etc. etc. Not realizing that this is called Socialism, and the more you get from government, the more individual control you give to government. And someone that filled their own needs by hard work and careful control of their assets, will end up paying for it.

Do we really need to have them audited to find out if they’re in it for the buck? It’s common knowledge that all politicians are nothing more than liars and thieves. I rest my case.

Mark,
The Bible says “render unto Caesar (The Gov’t.) that which is Caesar’s”. I don’t deny that, but if the Gov’t has no law compelling us to pay incme taxes, are we sinning if we choose to NOT pay?

Amen Mark!

For those Christians who read the Bible. Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser’s. The first question we should ask is what is Ceasers? Does it not all belong to God? The next thing we as Christians should ask ourselves is who or what is the ruler in America? Is it the president or congress? Is it the people? What is the highest law of the land? I say it is the people who are the rulers and the Constitution is the highest law of the land. If the president and congress extort money from you it is no different than a thief with a gun extorting money from you. Resisting such extorton is not against God’s Word. Read deeper and understand how our country was formed and try to understand we as a country are ruled by laws and those are the laws God instituted for America. Presently we have criminals running our lives. We must resist. God says to resit evil!

The bible said render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars We don’t have a King or Emporer
Andy

A Better way to accomplish this is do the same thing as the illegals do, one that the IRS and our Government accepts, and that is use a phony SSN#. The illegals do this everyday and are hired, even by State and local Governments. Just remember to pay your $100.00 and get your phony Drivers license and Id card, give a phony address like they do to keep yourself hidden. Now just like them, you don’t have to pay anymore taxes. Oh yes, tell your employer that you have 9 kids also.

How courageous and intelligent. we are not
pawns but we have the ability to think rationally
and to act accordingly.

Fred

Dear Dick,

I am half you age and couldn’t agree more with you. I was raised to work hard and “earn” my own way in life not stand with my hand out waiting for someone else to support me.

I find it frustrating that I go without to put away my 10% every week for my retirement and have an administration in Washington DC that doesn’t pay attention to the stock market. I guess I wouldn’t pay attention to the stock market if I was on the taxpayer retirement program with a guaranteed $3,000 a month at retirement for serving one-term in Congress.

I remember that decision, but there is one thing left for the people to do, and that is try and get enough people to fill the streets in Washington, demaining for Term Limits!!! If that could be done!!! Which I dought! You are so right about our rights as people to vote on anything other than what the Thugs in Washington Wants to shove down our throats. I suppose there is one thing we as the people can do, when their terms is up, turn the BUMBS out to pastures, REMEMBER THEM AS IF THEY HAVE YELLOW FEVER!!! When it comes time for Reelection!!! I’m not saying all of them are BUMBS, we do have a few that is trying to do a good job for the people

I’m young (33) and conservative. Being intelligent requires thinking with ones brain. Thinking with ones heart leads one off a cliff, which is apparently where we are headed. Remember the old story of the pied piper leading the rats off the cliff. Yeah.

A man of sixteen who is conservative has no heart; a man of sixty who is not conservative has no head.

Benjamin Disraeli

Actually it’s getting to where the people can vote on something in an election, and figure it’s going to happen.
But now more and more the people vote something in or out, and the special interest groups challenge it in court, and the law the people voted on is made null by some liberal judge.
Case in point the law in California regarding Gay Marriage is being challenged in court and may be deemed unconstitutional. Or Minnesota where Coleman won on election day, and it’s still in the courts being hashed out. Most people want the immigration laws to be enforced as written, which would solve the problem but special interests and liberal judges are against that, we are violating their civil rights if we hold illegal immigrants to the letter of the law.
And it goes on, and on, and on in the name of “Fairness”

Why would anyone pay 300 or so million dollars to achive a 400K job? Obama and all others prior to him ponied up the big ones. Power, control, golden parachute retirement,(the same as the execs they persecute in the hearings)and free lifetime healthcare.

Well, according to the scriptures, which I hold personally as God’s word to us, it says “all authority on earth is placed there by God, so therefore abide in it”. So to me, if I am under authority placed by God, then so be it, because they are legally elected government officials. Now if we had an illegal government, say some group came in here and did a military hostile take over like in some 3rd world countries, then no, I would not be compelled to follow their instructions, as they would be an illegitimate government. In so far as ours being a legal government, therefore placed there by God, them taxing us is illegal according to the laws they have set up, but the repercussion of going against it isnt worth the penalty you will have to pay. If it would be a sin to not pay it, I dont really know. On the surface, it appears to be going against Gods word, but them taxing us is illegal so Im blury on it, but I know I dont want to face them on it.

This is a great discussion about the legitimacy of The federal Income TAX
as it applies ( or doesn’t) to people living in a state and making moneythere.
Also, the reference to “rendering unto Caesor” has been often misquoted.
I would like all of us to realize that there are real laws and there are regulations and misinterpretations constantly given by the IRS. As of today
and because of US Supreme Court decisions given both before and after
so-called ratification of The 16th Amendment, someone working in a private
non-federal occupation makes no income or wages as defined both by The
US Supreme Ct. and by the IRCode. On the other hand, as others have said
here in this discussion , because the Tax has been foisted upon us and
because we have unwittingly volunteered to be taxed many corrupt forces
have combined against the common people to the point that most continue to volunteer payment. For the full story of perhaps the world’s greatest hoax
please visit the family gaurdian site and then losthorizons.com. for much
fuller and scolarly presentations of the whole story. Only by studying out this
subject and getting factual information will you come to a true understanding.
Good luck,

Fred

The Bible says “render unto Caesar (The Gov’t.) that which is Caesar’s”. I believe this means give Caesar nothing, but one can not say, “give Caesar nothing” without incuring the wrath of Caesar (The Gov’t), therefore, “render unto Caesar (The Gov’t.) that which is Caesar’s”.

I agree with Bob Livingston. If you (TeresaE) find it very unlikely to impossible to believe Bob, then do your own research on the web or in the library. Read Black’s law definition of Income,now and what it was 50 years ago ( of course you’ll have to find an old copy).

Steve

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PLEASE PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!!!!! The bible is not the word of god its the word of man.It was written by men at different times and each book was chosen by “man” and some were not chosen. So who gets to choose what the word of god is. Im not sure you people even think about how the bible was created before u start quoteing from it. No one knows how our universe came into exsistince whether it was “gOD” the big bang or the most probable explanation we have not discovered the anwser yet,but we will and for that to happen we need to keep searching for the anwser. U want proof from bob before u stop paying your taxes, Why don’t u want proof before u devote your whole life to a MAN-MADE BOOK

Because, as you say, there are lots of perks that come with the “territory.” In addition, the president did not pay out 300 million for the job: It was all the people he mesmerized that put that amount into the “pot”, so to speak. Just think what the spouse and children get out of it; llifetime of $$$-security and secret service coverage (if anyfhing happens to the prez). To say nothing of the possible book offers, speaking offerings, tht will never come along for a plain old senator. Think of the POWER, Power, and more power!
Ruth

I wrote a reply and it somehow got under an entry other than I wanted — this is where I wanted it to go. BUT I don’tant to have to retype it. Sorry. Ruth

Federal Income Tax has only been around since the 30s. Research the creation of money and you will learn that the Government creates money out of thin air. So when it pays for things it is indeed ” not paying for them” . Local taxes pay for fire and police not Federal taxes. Many people don’t pay federal or in some states State income tax. Most are self imployed. The reason is their is no law requiring one to pay. It’s true. But your employer is not going to put his business on the line to test this theory.
If your taxes go to pay for abortions, foreign enemies and dictators, to indoctrinate children to the socialist agenda, to pay people to sit home and have too much time on their hands so they can do drugs,gamble ,sell drugs. should you,does God want you to pay taxes? Or are you part of the problem?

Did you say in your comment that go ahead and don’t pay your taxes and you will yourself in a gov’t funded house such as jail. I don’t think your statement applies to Politicans. Especially Democrats, afterall Harry Reid commented that it was a “Common Mistake”.

Lighten up Jim and grow a set.

well its not about our military of course we love our military and we know we fund them praise GOD for this. These people are talking about a goverment that is supposed to be for our people but they take more than they give, we are talking about a goverment that breaks thier own laws and gets by with it and punishes us if we break them.We are talking about a goverment that says they are going to war for this reason and we find out later how many people got rich off it and it wasnt even the real reason they told us they were going for. If by your wildes dreams you cant see what this goverment really does behind our backs or you are not willing to see the truth for what it is then you are the one that needs to ask GOD for guidence. GOD bless you

Sorry anyone believing paying taxes is legal and commendable is not correct.
Further, the taxes do not fund anything of value like the military. As Bob Livingston has stated

the tax was created to regulate an economy flooded with Federal
Reserve Notes which are debts created out of thin air. In fact, when you
sigh your check for taxes and it comes back you will notice that the funds
have gone to guess who, The Illlegal and Unconstitutional Federal Reserve.

In truth you have been deceived into believing as most people have that
you are doing your patriotic duty to support the government by paying
“your taxes” Please get educated and quit trying to put a guilt trip on those who have superior knowledge and who have been willing to stick their necks
out by following the law.

Jim replied:

Blockquote

Federal Income tax has only been with us for about 100 years. It funds the military, police and fire departments, and the seemingly endless list of Federal Government departments…

Blockquote
We do have responsibilities to maintain our federal gov’t. But, our gov’t has extended far beyond what the constitution allows. The federal gov’t's roles are 3-fold – 1. To defend against enemies foreign or domestic. 2. regulate inter- and intra-state trade and 3. treaties with other nations.

At what point do we say enough is enough? Is a tax revolt in order? How can we rein in this ever increasing encroachment of the federal gov’t? We do have the power to vote members of Congress out of office. But, please show me where we have responsibly voted in the past several years and when has Congress acted responsibly to the citizenry. The Congress works for us NOT the other way around.

The federal income tax doesn’t even cover the interest on the national debt anymore. Two-thirds of what the government collects comes from tariffs and, of course, just printing it. Consider the words of Congressman Ron Paul:

"Strictly speaking, it probably is not necessary for the federal government to tax anyone directly; it could simply print the money it needs. However, that would be too bold a stroke, for it would then be obvious to all what kind of counterfeiting operation the government is running. The present system combining taxation and inflation is akin to watering the milk: too much water and the people catch on."


Jim

You speak with a lot of feeling. Please get educated and
transfer your wrath against the true culprits–The Fed and
The IRS. We got along fine in this country for most of our existense
by using legitimate excise taxes and we kept our federal government
small. We don’t need big government and big intern ational banking
to provide us all the sercvices you mentioned.

Good luck.

Fred

Thank you Ham

So well said. You are a true warrior.

Fred

strong text So how does a citizen take action? Voting has not helped.
We get one crook after the other. After a few weeks they are influenced by the perks and gains.
Is it true that a one term Senator gets retirement and health care for himself and his family for LIFE,
June

Abram

You are an educated man who has taken the trouble to
educate yourself. Please be happy and be peaceful.

Fred

I am so thrilled to be here with so many right thinking
and educated people.

Fred

Your 2 cents worth is really worth a lot more.

Fred

You are exposing the trickery we have been
bombarded by. Than k you for your comments
and for your great analysis.
Fred

When you look about at the income tax debacle, remember, you must file. But what you file and how you file become the variables. How far do you want to go with this? Read “Cracking the Code” and look at SEDM.org – you can take an
entire lifetime to learn all that they provide. Happy reading.
Nichfinder

It is interesting that the top sponsors of fairness and equality in the government are the very ones that are the most unfair, unjust, and self-focused people in America.
What caught my attention is the fact that 1/3 of the Democratic Presidential Cabinet appointees did not pay taxes until nominations became evident.

You better believe that the government leadership now defines ‘reaching out to the other side’ as ‘I will listen to you then do what I planned anyhow’ and that campaign promises (many broken already) were just to gain power and control and money. Campaign, “my administration will not have any earmarks” (only 9000 payoffs)”. “I will support Israel” (until elected then I will give much money to Hamas so they can destroy Israel). “I respect the sanctity of life” (later I will spin life as those who want good health with stem cell research and kill babies even after they come out of the womb if not wanted by the mother – there is a lot of money potential here).

Campaign: “No more politics as usual!” (More than usual – let’s control the airways, discredit people that disagree, control companies more tightly, federalize health care, banking, and control every facet of your life — God I love lobster and steaks, give dribble to the low life and they will love me – tell them you care, sponsor your ethnicity, talk smooth, use rederic and the fools will follow you anywhere)

You don’t think these are elitists that just want to steal money and empower themselves and make people dependent upon them (throw a crumb and win a heart) —- think with your mind not emotions and start depending on God not Big Brother!!!!!!

Fred,
After reading all of the comments other than yours, I come to the conclusion that
the average US citizen is brain dead as were the French citizens before they
entered their period of enlightenment and thus, the French revolution. All Federal
tax money does go to the Federal Reserve which was not ratified by all of the
existing States and is Illegal as you have stated. They control the money supply
and any Country that does not own its currency is doomed. The Reserve creates
money out of thin air and loans it to the Government to be paid back with interest from Federal income taxes which is also Illegal.

Might I remind the commentators that quoted from the Bible, that Jesus turned the tables over on the money changers in the temple and for that act alone, he was nailed to the cross. Wake Up America, the same money changers are in total control of your destiny. Do you courage to overturn the tables!!

The US currency was backed by gold until 1970-1971 when Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard. Until that time the money supply was extremely stable. Since that time it (money supply) has risen and fallen occasionally until very recently when it rose drastically- and still is because the government is flooding the market with paper money backed only be a promise f the US government to make the note, i.e paper money, good. The gold standard kept inflation low, and the government from over printing paper money, thus keeping the US dollar at a stable solid value as there is only so much gold in the world, and the US Treasury has/had the largest stash of it.

In today’s economy with the government flooding the economy with paper money I fear the value will erode quickly and we’ll see inflation rise dramatically. The financial markets understand that well and have reacted to the flooding of the markets with paper money by retreating into safer investments. You now have government competing with private enterprise to get the same dollar factories and other businesses need to operate. With the US government promising to make good on the debt it incurs, that makes the US a better quality borrower than private business- for now and causes private business to pay a higher price to borrow the same dollar via higher interest rates, as no private business has the ability to generate money at will as does the federal government.

You and I as US citizens need to pay very close attention to what the “new” administration is doing to our future, our children;s future and their children’s future by providing this baseless “stimulus”.

I am very happy to know, and expound truth Fred, as I read your posts of a like mind. The Light of peace, the guide of this nation, enabling a diverse population to peacefully live, and work together of one purpose, placed that trust in “The People”. The public, this Republic, who, knowing the needs of their localities, acted of themselves to provide for those needs, of the abilities in their hands. A public passionate about creating, maintaining, and protecting, that which made them capable of living, and supplying themselves for future prosperity. Peace of mind, body, and soul, that can only be achieved with a people seeing, and choosing to use their resources to create, protect, that which furthers their abilities. The tax issue, which began as a people, united to fight actions of war, which put limitations on that ability, has become an ability of government representation, powers of faction, to choose just who gets what, and how much. A bloodless civil war, in, and of itself, instituted around theoretic legislation that has never solved its intended purpose.

What is “the One’s” email address at the Whitehouse?
June

Andy: the speed limit signs say 35 MPH, and even though they do not spell out red cars, white cars, green cars, it is understood to include ALL cars.

In the Biblical context from which this quote was taken, the reference was to payment of taxes. If taxes are owed to the government, in that case Caesar who represented the Roman government, pay them. Further, his likeness was stamped on the coins of the day. He, for Rome ruled the land. A tax was implemented to cover the expense of the Roman occupation and running government functions. The Jewish people- as did citizens of all occupied lands- resented payment of Roman imposed taxes- often with good cause other than just being that of being occupied. Dishonest tax collectors over taxed the people, who in turn had no recourse and kept the excess taxes collected themselves.

Jason: your remarks obviously rated no response. I just enjoyed pointing that out. One day all will be found out to be truth or lie. I’d prefer to err on the side I believe to be true.

Answer me this: Does a car require an engineer to create it or did it just happen? Of course it required an engineer to create each component, it is a complicated piece of machinery. Yet you non-believers would assert that a human being- whose body is far more complex than a man-made machine just happened? It is easier to believe in God. Mathematically it is provable that Intelligent Design occurred, not just happened. The “big bang” was God’s voice. The creation story is not so far fetched when you look at it scientifically and logically.

The trouble is people like you are looking for some far too complex explanation, your minds can not fathom such a thought as a living “God” did all of creation, placing the earth just so far from the sun, made it’s surface to be 2/3 water covered, protected it with gases that both provide life for surface creatures and protection from the space radiation and more.

I can go on and on but I’m sure you do not want to be confused with facts so I’ll stop. Besides it is over your head and beyond your ability to absorb.

Actually a variety of taxes were imposed off and on throughout our history, with income taxes coming on board during the US Civil War. At times taxes were imposed to cover the cost of government projects, to wage wars or as was necessary to cover a given government expense. An income tax was first implemented in the civil war as a temporary tax to fund the war. There were no permanent taxes imposed until early in the 1900′s.

From Wikipedia: The first Federal income tax was imposed (under Article I, section 8, clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution) during the Civil War, then again in the 1890s, and again after the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified in 1913.

and this clip:

Early Federal income taxes

In order to help pay for its war effort in the American Civil War, the United States government imposed its first personal income tax, on August 5, 1861, as part of the Revenue Act of 1861 (3% of all incomes over US $800)[5]. This tax was repealed and replaced by another income tax in 1862.[6]

In 1894, Democrats in Congress passed the Wilson-Gorman tariff, which imposed the first peacetime income tax. The rate was 2% on income over $4000, which meant fewer than 10% of households would pay any. The purpose of the income tax was to make up for revenue that would be lost by tariff reductions.[7]

In 1895 the United States Supreme Court, in its ruling in Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan & Trust Co., held a tax based on receipts from the use of property to be unconstitutional. The Court held that taxes on rents from real estate, on interest income from personal property and other income from personal property (which includes dividend income) were treated as direct taxes on property, and therefore had to be apportioned. Since apportionment of income taxes is impractical, this had the effect of prohibiting a federal tax on income from property. The power to tax real and personal property, or that such was a direct tax, was not denied by the Constitution.[8] Due to the political difficulties of taxing individual wages without taxing income from property, a federal income tax was impractical from the time of the Pollock decision until the time of ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment (below).

Ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment

In response, Congress proposed the Sixteenth Amendment (ratified by the requisite number of states in 1913[9]), which states:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

I would note the Democrats imposed the first income tax, and it seems to be impossible for them to stop wanting to add more taxes every since.

Interestingly enough Mr. Paul had millions attached to the $481 billion “stimulus” signed by Obama today as “earmarks” which means nobody questioned the need for the spending.

So much for “conservative” oversight and responsible spending by Mr. Paul. he like his counterparts just bought re-election votes.

Remarkably the below sounds not too unlike some politicians of today. Who is Geithner? A tax evader, until he was brought into the public eye. Daschle same thing. Old regime Democrats. They love imposing taxes on others but not themselves. How do you “forget” to pay income taxes?? They come due the same time annually.

Here is some info I located on Capone:

The popular belief in the 1920s and 30s was that illegal gambling earnings were not taxable income. However, the 1927 Sullivan ruling claimed that illegal profits were in fact taxable. The government wanted to indict Capone for income tax evasion, Capone never filed an income tax return, owned nothing in his own name, and never made a declaration of assets or income. He did all his business through front men so that he was anonymous when it came to income. Frank Wilson from the IRS’s Special Intelligence Unit was assigned to focus on Capone. Wilson accidentally found a cash receipts ledger that not only showed the operation’s net profits for a gambling house, but also contained Capone’s name; it was a record of Capone’s income. Later Capone’s own tax lawyer Lawrence P. Mattingly admitted in a letter to the government that Capone had an income. Wilson’s ledger, Mattingly’s letter, and the coercion of witnesses were the main evidence used to convict Capone.

The jury found Capone not guilty on eighteen of the twenty-three counts. Judge Wilkerson sentenced him to a total of ten years in federal prison and one year in the county jail. In addition, Capone had to serve an earlier six-month contempt of court sentence for failing to appear in court. The fines were a cumulative $50,000 and Capone had to pay the prosecution costs of $7,692.29.

the above is from this website: http://www.chicagohs.org/history/capone/cpn3a.html

Thanks June,
I’ll do it tomorrow. I never bothered because all I ever get in return from the House and Senate are their FORM letters.
June Y,

Mine got sent back with a new address. I sent to that one and the computer said it didn’t exist. Seems obama does not want to hear from us.

I agree. They have over the years made Washington their personal cash cow and taken our money to do it. After four years they get their full pay in retirement. Now I understand that was changed to two years. They move on to another washington job and get the same for that one. on and on…..They should be paid like we are get the same benefits as the average joe and when they leave it stays behind unless they pay for their health ins or what ever like we do. I am fed up.

Bill Gates is an excellent example. Very rich, lives very well and I do not begrudge him that. He has given big money to charity and people in need. Every disaster we have in our country the man sends millions of dollars of his money to help. He never made all his giving public. As a youth he always said if he was rich he would help people and he certainly has. No one in Washington comes close to being what this man is.

It’s ok – -all you will get is the “acknowledgment”, or “form letter”. At least you know they got your message and that’s what counts. Keep sending email to: president@whitehouse.gov and ignore the other address his “correspondence team” refers you to, because it does not exist. If you can afford to fax, or phone them that is even better and do not let any of the arrogant air-heads “talk down” to you. If any of them want to “lace you with profanity”, just make sure you get their name (s), then send a letter to the editor of your local newspaper stating what occurred. The word will spread and that’s exactly what we want. The sooner the rest of American voters know exactly what’s going on in DC, the better. Come 2012 elections, that whole bag of bad apples will be thrown out of there!

Of course, he doesn’t want to hear from us “common folk”- -after all, it’s only our money he’s throwing away. It’s ok- -re-read that email you got back and I bet it was an “acknowledgment” from his “correspondence team”. Just keep sending your emails to : president@whitehouse.gov and ignore the other address they refer you to, because it does not exist. If you can afford to phone, or fax them, that is even better. Be sure to get the name of the individual you talk to; if he/she wants to be an arrogant air-head and talks down to you, or if they lace you with profanity (this has occurred in at least one instance), keep your composure and don’t succumb to their tactics. When you’re finished with them, write a letter to the editor of your local paper, stating exactly what occurred. This way, the word will spread, far and wide. By the time 2012 elections roll around, every American voter will know exactly what’s going on in DC; I can almost guarantee that whole bag of bad apples will be thrown out! Go get um!!

got your reply and thank you. Will do exactly as you suggested. I don’t get nasty back at them. Hopefully since people are paying more attention since this last election they will wake up as to what is going on. Thanks again for the information. very helpful and appreciated.

Good point Ham! Yes, we the people have been lied to, and raped and pillaged by the corrupt politician. We need to form an underground organization to establish a revolt. And we better do it soon for reasons I can’t go into too much detail herein. I believe Jesus said to pilot ” you have no authority over me!” prior to his most brutal beating and inhumane abuse!

Additionally, many male citizens and probably non citizens of America have been located in Somolia, Africa. And the reason, Islamic urban warfare training!

It’s coming Dan. The scuttle butt lately is that the coming summer 2009 will be the summer of rage!

Martha, I too share your anger. Hopefully, we the people will prevail! Just a heads up, the United States is already in a depression. Wall Street is planning on throwing us investors a bone to re-establish our lost wealth. Obama bin Biden want’s to confiscate that wealth. Here’s why things are going to hell in a hand basket. How do you possibly pay a national debt of over ten trillion dollars??? The interest alone makes the United States insolvent. Furthermore, there isn’t enough trees to print all that fiat. Here’s a model. A base tree with dimension 30″ diameter and 75′ tall after preparation and processing is able to produce 100, 100 dollar bills per foot or 10,000 dollars a foot. Times 75 is 750,000 dollars! That’s more than 13 million trees!

Hi Phil
Thank you for quoting The Constitution . It is supposed to serve as the basis for
judging all other laws and Court decisions are supposed to abide to reflect it
in judging any law as to whether it conforms. Most will agree that the judiciary
when judged by that standard has failed miserably and has in fact, been corrupted..
Many have wondered how best to throw off the yoke of an unrighteous government when public officials and a corrupt and controlled press will
not aid us. Yes, if the people would seriously organize with the conviction
and dedication of our early founders we would have a chance for a peacable
solution to this tyranny. I am thinking that it is much easier to organize at the
local level by influencing more local officials like the County Sheriff who could be held much easier to a Constitutional standard through our close control by demanding that he expel or punish federal or state empoyees or officials who violate our Constitutional rights.

County grand juries could be convened to issue criminal complaints against
such offenders. Currently about half the states have proposed Resolutions
which in effect condemn overreaching and unconstitutional federal laws or
mandates by reasserting both the 9th and 10th Amendments wherein is
found the basis for the people and the States controlling their own destinies
through the reservation of all the power not specifically granted to The Ferderal
Government(which is little).
The real problem as I see it is that the states have been threatened and bribed
into accepting federal funding for so many federal programs that they do not know how to reject them. We need to start electing local and state representatives who can honestly look a gift-horse in the eyes and say sorry,
the price is too high. Does this mean starting all over? In my opinion, PROBABLY, because our current system is so rotten to the core that our Founders wouldn’t even recognize it.

Maybe members could discuss the how to’s on this or another thread. What
do you think, Bob Livingston?

Fred

I agree with your analysis and especially your admonition
to review the referenced websites. SEDM is affiliated with
The Family Gaurdian people. Knowledge is power!

Fred

Mike

Ron Paul is one of my heroes and a very courageous
person. Please , all of you visit his website,Campaign
For Liberty. We will all become better people by learning
the concepts of liberty and how and where to apply them..

Fred

Jason

You are correct in only some of your conclusions about the
Word Of God. If you were correct in all that doesn’t mean that
there is no God. The truth of the matter is that although there are
different versions of The Bible, if you have read from let’s say
The King James Version, and if you sincerely pray to The God
in whose image you were created (give it a try before you dismiss
the thought) you will realize that God has always communicated to
people (lets call you and I and others, his children for sake of argument)
through his prophets who recorded his instructions on parchment or other
materials which were organized and left for us as His Scriptures.

Why, so that while we lived on the earth we could be guided by principles
of righteousness, things like Love Thy Neighbor,help the poor, be charitable
and the like. True, while some of the Scriptures may have been rearranged
or left out or even corrupted or imitated by someone on Satan’s side, this does
not mean that we cannot be governed by what He has to say to us. If we become
confused He has provided for that through His many promptings that if we will
sincerely take the time and put forth the effort we can know the truth of all things
and we will be able to discern truth from error.
Looking at it in the way don’t you think it would be a grave mistake to conclude
as you have that what we call scriptures are man made and fraudulent. As a human being you are choice and not here on this earth by accident. No, you
were put here to grow and to progress, to find happiness and peace.
I sincerely hope that you will find all of these and that by putting the things I have mentioned to the test, you will in the future conclude that God is real and will have
a further desire to discover and walk in His ways.
Fred

David
You may not know it but when we critcise non-believers
as you have by demeaning them or implying that they are stupid or
beyond reaching, they run further away. Every person sent to the earth
has much value. Than k God that Paul, who was as unrighteous at one
time in his life as anyone mentioned in The Bible, was able to overcome
his shortcomings to become one of the greatest forces for good during
those times.
It is true that for many they try to make accepting God far more complex
than it is but that doesn’t mean that someone will not come along to show
them the way.
I am sorry if I have offended you in any way. Maybe you are just angry with the things that are happening out there and you just had to vent. Anyway we should
all be careful how we speak to others even those now trying to persecute us.
Now that is really hard to do and I will admit that i have a lot of anger built up
inside against traitors and those opposing freedom.
Fred

Fred

Hi David
After the 16th Amend. The Sup Ct. held in the famous
Brushaber case that the Amendment could not have been
passed for the purpose of expanding the power of the Federal
Gov’t to include monies received by those living in the states
because this would have created two conflicting tax authorizing
provisions. so the Court held that any direct taxes still had to be
apportioned as is The House of Reps is, ie, by population.

After this the IRS got mad and since that time has called the Income tax
an excise, not needing to be apportioned, but has run int problems with
that premise because an excise must normally be levied on a priviledge,
such as a federal job or must be exacted on alcohol,tobacco or firearms.
But, by fraud and propaganda through the media and through a force of
“trained CPA’s and lawyers” they have convince the great majority living
in the states that they must “volunteer” for the tax.
My point here is that the 16th does not furnish the basis for a legitimate
income tax on a n on-priviledged person living in a state.
Sound complicated? Visit losthorizons.com for great detail on the subject.
Fred

David
Please furnish us the evidence that Ron Paul
voted for the stimulus. If he did this would be quite
out of character for him and i will phone him for an
explanation.

Fred

If you work inthe U.S. or any of its territories, there are four taxes that the employer is required to take out of gross pay. they are:

FICA Federal Insurance Contribution Act tax
FUT Federal Unemployment Tax
SUT State Unemployment tax
SSI

Of these, some states do not have SUT but instead have a “value added tax”
which is used for the same purpose as SUT, that is to pay state unemployment compensation in the event that a resident of that state becomes unemployed.

My advice is to pay your taxes. if you don’t you can bet that you will be audited
by the Fed and maybe your state a well.

syphilis

Small correction: FUT is not deducted from the employee’s check, it is paid entirely by the employer. Ditto State unemployment tax. That’s not an “either/or” scenario, both are paid. Of the FICA, half is deducted from the employee’s check and half is paid by the employer. Part of this goes to your “retirement” account and part to medicare/medicaid. There is currently a cap on the income that can be taxed for these FICA and Medicaid accounts, but the bamster is about to change that, I fear. And we aren’t even mentioning workman’s comp “contributions” that are paid by the employer based on gross wages. The big one not included in this list is the FIT (federal income tax) which is 100% taken from the employee and can be modified somewhat by dependants claimed and the EIC. You have to fill out a form for this and sign your name to it, so it might not be a good idea to fudge your figures. And, look up, you are about to get taxed for any insurance premium that your employer pays for you and any charitable contributions that you formerly deducted will be taxable. You think only the “rich” will get an increase in their taxes? Think again. If the fed can go against the Constitution and impose a 90% tax on the AIG bonus payments (which they approved), they can do it to you too, and more. This country is in DEEP trouble.

The unemployement taxes do not come out of your gross pay. Employers are required to pay them on behave of the employee – the employee does not and will not have these taxes come out of their wages. Those unemplyement taxes are only paid up to a certain amount of compensation as well.

FICA is actually composed of social security and medicare which has to be reported seperatly to the IRS

FYI, Jesus was not crucified because he overturned the tables of the money changers. At that time the law (God’s law, not man’s law) required that a sacrifice be offered at the temple for the forgiveness of sins. This was supposed to be an animal from the individuals’s own herds and was to be perfect, unblemished and the very best that he had, not some sick or maimed thing that would be easy to give up. He had to be giving up something of real value, thus indicating his sincerity in the process. This practice had to be repeated annually. What the people were doing, when they went to the temple, instead of bringing the best from their own herd to sacrifice, they were buying the animal from vendors that had set up business at the temple. No big sacrifice on their part, to be sure, and Jesus saw it, got righteously indignant and put an end to it, commanding that they not make the temple a house of merchandise. The government at the time didn’t fear his turning out the moneychangers, but they did see his popularity with the people and feared that they would lose their power over them.

Fortunately, with Christ’s sacrifice, we no longer have to do the animal sacrifice, but just trust in Him. HE is that perfect lamb, the only sacrifice that is acceptable to God. If you reject His gift, this world we are living in now, as bad as it is becoming, is a cake walk compared to what awaits.

Yes but some taxes are matched dollar for dollar. One dollar comes from the employer, one dollar comes from the employee. And there is a lot of difference in state law as well, if you’re in a “right to work” state or an
“at will” employee. In my state ( PA ) some years back, I found out I was not eligible to collect unemployment, yet my employer was taking unemployment tax out of my gross pay. So I made them give me the money. Its my money afetr all, and you can’t deduct from my pay for a benefit that I cannot receive.

Well the difference is, when you were young this was a different country. People worked for what they had, and didn’t expect the Government to pay for everything.
Then different groups of people decided they were entitled to free benefits from the Government ( as a veteran who served our country you are entitled to VA benefits under the GI Bill ). Communications and financial transactions occur instantly in today’s world, and ths has led us into the “Me” generation. I want it all, i want it now is the mindset of many young people today. In this country we are conditioned to think that if we don’t have a $500,000 house and 2 Cadillacs in the garage, we are doing something wrong. Our Government grants scholarships to America’s brightest and best students, and also offers low-cost loans so that students who otherwise couldn’t afford college can now afford to go to college. They pay the loans back. My daughters will both go to college in part on scholarship money, whcih they earned through hard work. My oldest, a senior in high school, will have completed her first year of college before she graduates high school. In my 29 years in higher education I have seen thousands of foreign students go to college in the U.S., having been given a full ride by their government. Why shouldn’t the U.S. do the same? We can, as a nation, afford it.

Oh yeah, Winston Churchill. He was brilliant, but he was a SUBJECT of a KING,
not a CITIZEN of a republic.

This one is not part of the ten commandments. But it really doesn’t matter.
What does matter is what the United States Tax Code says.

Jesus said render on to Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render on to God that which is God’s. If it is illegal and unconstitutional for our government to collect taxes from us and so we decide not to pay them and we are able to successfully do so, then no it is not a sin to not pay those taxes.

The “execs” that are being “persecuted” managed ( or should I say mis-managed ) to erage over 10 Trillion dollars out of the U.S. economy. Do you really think these people shoud NOT be punished after nearly bankrupting over 80 million Americans?

That’s erase, not erage ( must be feeling the rage ).