When you float back down, Bill …

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity

http://google.com/search?q=Newton+laws

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_law

http://google.com/search?q=aspirin+1918+flu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_science

http://google.com/search?q=Newton+law+motion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

http://google.com/search?q=scientific-hypothesis+scientific-theory+scientific-law

I have seen parents allow their children to be put on a roller coaster of antibiotics and they seem to always be sick and going back to the Dr.

There have been two ocassions in my adult experience where such helped me.  One was a severe ear infection that got out of hand.  The other was an infection in a two bone after surgery.  In both situation the antibiotic helped almost immediately to get the infection under control.

Do Antibiotics actually work to combat illness?

Perhaps the answer lies amid the extremes. Bubonic plague and some other insidious diseases, if exposed enough to tear down the immune system, will kill you. Worry, fear, wrong stress (stress can be constructive or destructive – it has to be under your control, rather than controlling you), depression, inactivity, smoking, drinking (excessively),  excess toxins (toxin poisoning), lesser diseases, poor eating habits, excess weight, stored toxins in fatty areas (a proper amount of fat is good – lubricant for cells and stored energy), medication conflicts (some things just do not mix well with body chemistry and each other), etc——these are things that destroy immune systems and open the body to health issues.

The balance is that the body is designed to last a long, long time!!!! Our own chemicals, lifestyle, eating habits, inactivity, etc. is the problem.

How foods are processed can cause problems. One example is the homoginization process. Breaking down fat particles (eg – milk) into micro-particles may suspend the particles and prevent recombining of the oil into larger particles so that they won’t float or seperate from other liquids, but they also are so small that they can enter the blood stream.

Another example is sugar. There is nothing wrong with natural sugar. It has a lot of nutrients and is good for you, orientals love pure sugar occasionally. We have white and brown sugar. White sugar is bleached and the nutrients are stripped away. Even mice and rats don’t like it. What about brown sugar? Sometimes it is white sugar with molasses added to it. Molasses is nutritive, so it is better for you, but not as good as if natural sugar were used.

Also, water is great for you —- as long as it is handled right it is good for you. Chlorine plus water produces some HCL (hydrocloric acid). Chlorine kills off bacteria and makes water better for consumption. Flourine may be good for your teeth but it was used in large quantities by Adolph Hitler in WWII to subdue the people – make them more susceptable to social re-conditioning. Both of these are in city water. Some cities have excess of either or both of these chemicals and can be hard to drink and not good for the skin or digestive system. It is funny to ‘buy’ water at almost the cost of a cold drink so that you can get some water that tastes good.

Doctors do their best to help the patients, not just make money. No doctor should remain in business if they are not sensitive to the needs of those they serve. However, the AMA (American Medical Institute) sets the standard for education of the doctors (and staff) and promotes the medical ‘myths’. Fortunately, they can’t seem to screw up the breakthroughs in surgical practices that do wonders. AMA is a Government Agency – enough said!! But I will anyhow! With the kickbacks and under the table deals with some pharmaceutical companies (some of the pharma is fantastic and real breakthroughs) the politicians will sell out the country to promote what does not work, or works but tears down the immune system also. After all, what good has come out of Congress the last few years, and now??? Far too many Dems and some of the Repubs are the biggest crooks – promoting lies! Don’t put politics above the ones you are ‘supposed’ to server DC!! (just a quick peeloff – but does pinpoint where most food regulatory problems come from!
 
The most destructive things are hate and fear, either will tear down your immune system very quickly whereas the other things take time – even many years. In a sense, we are our own worse enemies!

Growing up, our house was clean but my mom was not anal about it.
As an adult over 40, my house now would Not win the clean house award.
My excuse has always been that I’m keeping our immune systems on their toes.

hi dave,

i’m glad someone gave ken a taste of the medicine he hopefully understands,
but on your correction you wrote:

( Ken: The correct spelling of your post would be, “You’re and idiot.” )
i know you meant to write “You”re AN idiot.”
And ken, your lucid and detailed explanation of why you believed you had the right to call the author an idiot was, well, nonexistent!
If the author had answered your mean comment in a way that would have made the most clear sense to you, i think it might have sounded something like this,
“I know you are, but what am I?”
How’s that middle school working out for you there ken?
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The author has made very good points about the immune system.  There are even documented observations of Siamese twins with unshared circulatory/GIGU systems who have not shared the same flu.  It looks like it is all about the individual immune system.  Regarding vaccinations, I have a prediction that 3000 years from now they will regard the vaccination of our young with the same amazement we have when we think about the god Baal 3000? years ago who demanded that your first born child be sacrificed in a fiery alter for the good of agriculture/fertility. Everyone did it.  No one questioned the priests.  I think we need to continue to question the priests!  Thanks Mr. Livingston!
 
 
 
 

“Bill on November 18th, 2008 at 8:20 pm:
Re: Germ THEORY.  Note that you can never PROVE a theory, and that is the only reason why there is no Germ Law.  And it is the same reason why there is a theory of gravity rather than a law of gravity; or why evolution is a theory.  Theories can only be supported by facts, and disproven; but never proven.”

It is OK with me that Bill, not recognizing gravity as a law, floats towards the ceiling.

P.S.

The likely reason “germs” (ie, bacteria, viruses) affect some and not others is that we have varying strength and/or resilience in our immune systems.

If our systems are working at high efficiency we have greater resistance and better recovery.  Avoiding toxins and maintaining good nutrition and hydration as well as optimal fitness goes a long way to self preservation.

Hi Bob,

I am currently attending college, studying to be an electrical engineer. As such, I am required to learn a wide variety of subjects; please allow me to comment…
You are half wrong (or half right, depending on your perspective). Viruses and bacteria do indeed live inside our bodies all the time, but it is possible to receive a critical dose of germs from the outside world…for example, if you are sitting on a bus next to a coughing person, you will inhale millions of germs, thus greatly increasing your chances of “catching” the cough (the germs will undergo mitosis and exponentially increase in number once inside you) …the truth always lies in the middle. Outside germs and inside immune system strength both play their roles.

I come to most subjects from a biblical worldview.  I have high respect for the Bible.  The overwhelming method of self-protection in ancient Israel was a careful diet and thorough washing.  They were not to allow human waste to be “in the camp” or tolerate molds or be around corpses, etc.

God designed the human body to function in amazing ways.  We have a fabulous immune system.  It begins with our skin which is violently bypassed when we allow imunizations to go into the muscle or blood, and sadly many times in multiple different pathogens.

I have 5 children who have not been vaccinated only ocassionally get a sniffle or ear ache.  We typically take them off of all dairy and sugary items and visit our chiropractor.  My 3 youngest have NEVER had an antibiotic.  Their school teachers have been surprised that even if they feel way the recover in record time without visiting an MD or taking drugs.

Vaccines are questionable to say the least and thrive on an unproven THEORY.

Re: Germ THEORY.  Note that you can never PROVE a theory, and that is the only reason why there is no Germ Law.  And it is the same reason why there is a theory of gravity rather than a law of gravity; or why evolution is a theory.  Theories can only be supported by facts, and disproven; but never proven.

I totally agree with the ones who do not sterilize their homes. Mine is not sterile by any matter of means and we are less sick than a lot of our neighbors who run around spraying Lysol and Chlorox all day. We have discovered that having a flu shot gives us the flu, but by eating more onions and garlic we are much healthier for it.

A good example of the properties of onions and horseradish is my dad. He was an artesian well driller for many years. All he took for sandwiches was either raw onion or horseradish sandwiches. All the years he worked outside in snow, sleet, freezing rain, rain and all the other garbage that Mother Nature could throw at him here in New England, he never once took a day off from work sick. He never had a sniffle!!! We still use this and for the most part, we are healthier for it.

Lets stop all this germ warfare and go back to the old adage that a kid that plays in the dirt and comes home dirty is a healthy kid!!!!! Mine are!!

We are reaping what we have sown, and the way in which we sowed it. We have decided to follow mans ways, and not GODS ways. The farmers used to rely on GOD to grow their crops, now they have rejected GOD and HIS ways and are doing it mans way and using chemicals, chemicals which are killing you slowly. This is destroying your immine system. There is no nutritional value in the food that we are now eating, so coupled with chemicals, you virtually are losing your ability to fight off even a cold, because you have an orchestrated attack on your immune system. Unless you are eating organic grown foods, and taking other natural, non irradiated, non homogenized supplements you fighting a losing battle. The bottom line is this, eat organic fruits and vegetables, and grains and get a personal relationship with the GOD or you are living on borrowed time, frought with disease and much suffering. 

Right on!

Truth in a health article.

If vaccines, drugs and radiated foods were truly “saving” us, America would not be the sickest place on earth, with the most out of control health care costs.

But we are.

And supplements are only part of the equation.  Live food, is a big piece missing from our lives.  Nearly everything an American eats is processed, altered and full of chemicals or high fructose corn syrup. 

Our diets make us sick and vulnerable, then we run to our doctors who push drugs on us that make us sicker and more vulnerable.

Many vaccinations are poison and actually increase the odds of getting other illnesses–illnesses more dangerous than the illness the vaccine is supposed to protect you from.

Yet, we our children, and ourselves, up to be sickened.

Not me, not anymore

Thanks for the nice article Bob.

Certainly, using herbal suppliments and getting excercise while avioding pathogens will dramatically extend one’s life cycle as well as give that lifetime a high quality standing.  Even an “idiot” knows this, Ken.  Avoiding the over-medication reloving door (e.g., taking an anti cholesterol drug which forces a blood pressure drug which leads to a type-two diabetic drug that makes you impotent and requiring Viagra, etceteras) will greatly help as well.  HOWEVER, never-ever-never-ever blow off chemo treatments or proton therapy whilst in the throes of cancer.  There are definative benefits to both traditional medicines as well as preventative healthy lifestyles.  Common sense is the order of the day when it comes to healthcare.

If the first poster were a scientist, he would understand that Germ Theory of Disease would now be the Germ Law of Disease, if the theory had ever actually proven to be correct.

Just do a Google search on aspirin+1918+flu and you may learn something like this:
http://masterjules.net/aspirinflu.htm

My daughter hasn’t been to a doctor since she was 2 years old.  She’s bright, healthy, curious and quite outgoing.  She says, “We don’t go to the doctor because doctors are for sick people.”

Ken:

The correct spelling of your post would be, “You’re and idiot.”

So please tell us why one who can’t correctly use a contraction to voice his complaint ought to be listened to – - at all?

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!  If germs don’t cause disease then why is it possible to ‘weaponize’ infectious diseases like smallpox, anthrax, etc.  The notion that the entire world population would die from the flu is not logical either.  There are many factors that effect the way the virus/bacteria would get redistrubuted and thus a person living with an infected person would not necessarily get infected.

If people keep believing that anti-bacterial products are helping them stay healthy, they need only to look at the”upper middle class”.  All the families i know in that class are ill most of the time.  When a soccer or hockey mom goes through the house three times a day spraying door knobs and cleaning surfaces with anti-bacterial cleaners, they are removing germs that the immune system needs to build anti-bodies.  Thus when the younger children leave the “bubble” even for a short time, they usually return with the beginnings of some sickness.  While working construction, I frequent many “germ spots”.  Hospitals, creamatoriums, nursing homes, etc.  I’ve never had a flu shot and never had the flu.  I’ve never taken ” preventitive steps or vaccines” and the worst thing I’ve gotten has been the chicken pox when I was 8.  Without germs humans wouldn’t survive.

This makes sense. I am a retired health professional. I have also been using alternative preventive medicines  on myself. i have never contracted any of my patients illnesses. I have not been to a physician except for broken bones in over 50 years.

It is difficult to believe that all people who died of small pox and the bubonic plague died from a poor immune response alone. Surely small pox vaccinations have saved millions of people.

What most people don’t realize is their bodies are factories for germs.  We have bacteria covering every inch of our bodies all the time inside and out.  By buying into the Clorox type advertising and the Dr. Oz type prosletizing, many people have fallen for the idea that antibacterial cleaners are going to keep you healthy.  It’s your imune system that keeps you healthy.

Ken, regardless of whether you believe that which you read, name calling is completely uncalled for.  Man up and post an itelligent rebutal.  I’m sick of cowards hiding behind blog posts.  I guarantee you would not likely stand in front of Bob Livingston and make the same comment to his face… you’d find a diplomatic way to disagree.  Why is it impossible to do the same while sitting behind a computer screen?

Your an idiot.