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1st Amendment Does Not Guarantee Freedom From Religion

December 5, 2012 by  

1st Amendment Does Not Guarantee Freedom From Religion
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Educators in a North Carolina school district and a (so-called) 1st Amendment “expert” have problems with comprehension.

At West Marion Elementary School, a first grader was asked to write a poem about veterans for the school’s Veteran’s Day program. The girl, whose identity has not been revealed in the media, wrote one about her two grandfathers’ service in Vietnam. In it she wrote, “He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength.”

A parent objected to the use of the word “God.” So after a discussion between school Principal Desarae Kirkpatrick, Vice Principal Nakia Carson and McDowell County School Superintendent Gerri Martin, the girl was banned from reading her poem in the program.

“We wanted to make sure we were upholding the school district’s responsibility of separation of church and state from the Establishment Clause,” Martin said.

“After consulting with the Superintendent, Dr. Martin, we jointly decided that we must err on the side of caution to prevent from crossing the line on the Establishment Clause of the Constitution,” Kirkpatrick said. “As a principal of a public school, I must put aside my personal religious beliefs and follow the law, which upholds that we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but that we, as public schools, cannot endorse one single religion over another.”

But Martin did not uphold “the school district’s responsibility” equally. Other McDowell County schools were allowed to hold programs containing student writings with the word “God” in them. When asked why, Martin said it was because those schools did not ask for a consultation about their program.

“Courts have consistently held up the rights for students to express themselves unless their speech is disruptive to the school,” said Ken Paulson, president and CEO of the First Amendment Center in Washington, D.C. “When the little girl wrote the poem and included a reference to God she had every right to do that. The First Amendment protects all Americans. She had every right to mention God, (but) that dynamic changed when they asked her to read it at an assembly. When a public school knows there’s going to be a reference to religion then there is a problem and they have to address it. The reason for these restrictions is to prevent the government from endorsing a specific faith or religion. So public schools have to steer clear of religious references.”

That’s quite a liberal misinterpretation of the 1st Amendment, which says, “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech…”

A public school is not Congress. The 1st Amendment does not guarantee freedom from religion, but it does guarantee that little girl the right to express her belief.

The rights of that girl were trampled in the name of political correctness by ignorant school administrators.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    “Bob Livingston,”

    SIR, I AGREE WITH, Ken Paulson. FOR A CHILD TO SAY THE WORD, “god,” DURING A SCHOOL ASSEMBLY WOULD CREATE A SENSE OF INFERIORITY IN THE MINDS OF CHILDREN [AND, ADMINISTRATORS] WHO ARE ATHEIST, OR, PRACTICE AN UNPOPULAR RELIGION [LIKE, "b'hai," ETC.].

    EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES KNOWS CHRISTIANITY IS “TOP-DAWG.” IT WOULD BE WRONG TO MAKE A CHILD WHO PRACTICES ANOTHER IDEOLOGY FEEL INFERIOR.

    • Vigilant

      CAH, you’d better read the First Amendment again. THAT’S the operative sentence, NOT someone’s idea of superiority or inferiority.

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

      If it ain’t in the Constitution or laws derived therefrom, then the school has absolutely no business interfering. In fact, the idiots in that school should be sued for violating the free speech rights of the student.

      Even if she were blazenly endorsing one religion over another (which she was not), I invite you to find ONE word in the Constitution that prevents her from doing so. In fact, the school would have been involved in “prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

      Mention of the words “God,” “Allah,” “Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva,” “Buddha,” etc., is in no way making a law respecting an establishment of religion. Her poem was descriptive, not an endorsement of any kind. How does reference to her grandfather praying to God “create a sense of inferiority?” AND EVEN IF IT DID CREATE A SENSE OF INFERIORITY, IT’S NOT UNCONSTITUTIONJAL.

      By your standard, almost every literary work in the English language would be banned, since virtually every work contains references to “God.”

      • Vigilant

        “EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES KNOWS CHRISTIANITY IS “TOP-DAWG.” IT WOULD BE WRONG TO MAKE A CHILD WHO PRACTICES ANOTHER IDEOLOGY FEEL INFERIOR.”

        While I agree that it’s morally wrong to persecute anyone for their religious beliefs, you’ll need to find it in the Constitution before it carries any water.

        Cite me chapter and verse of the law that says people can not come on this site and denigrate Christians, Jews, Muslims or atheists. It’s done every day of the week.

        The Constitution was not written to assuage the touch-feely self-esteem sensitivities of the populace. It was written to establish a form of government and place limits on the central authority while guaranteeing individual freedoms. NO WHERE does it abridge freedom of speech as you would have us to believe.

      • Niki

        This is absolutely pathetic. I would have raised so much trouble over this. The girl at this
        very young age is told by ADULTS she cannot read this. Shame on the system – Shame on the government take over of public schools. Shame on the people children are suppose to listen to as ADULTS. I am so angry right now I wish I lived closer so I could go to the school and read these ADULTS including the one that objected the riot act. I would bet if it was anything to do with ISLAM not one person would have objected. PARENTS STAND FOR SOMETHING PLEASE. Do NOT continue to let this happen. These so called professional people are idiots and so is the person that complained.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – I expected better from you. I hope you were kidding.

        Every athiest I ever knew had a superiority complex.

        Anyway, if a person is secure in his beliefs, he feels inferior to no one. I thought we were all about “tolerance” and “inclusion”.

        Besides, the term “God” is in no way exclusive. Everyone has some kinds of gods, including athiests. Things like money, possessions…even beliefs.

        When did we lose the right to free expression. To limit speech in any way opens the door to even greater limits. Actually, to limit rights in any way invites more intrusions… as we can well see.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vigilant,”

        I AGREE WITH YOU IN REFERENCE TO THE First Amendment. MY POINT IS, SOMETIMES IT IS IMPORTANT TO ADHERE TO THE “PRACTICALITIES” OF LIFE IN ORDER TO AVOID MAJOR- AND UNNECESSARY PROBLEMS.

        PARENTS CAN BE DANGEROUSLY PARANOID IN REFERENCE TO THEIR CHILDREN. WE ALREADY KNOW RELIGION IS A MAJOR “FUEL” FOR VIOLENCE.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        I AGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENTS. YES – I AM ATHEIST; BUT, SINCE PARENTS ALREADY PASS THEIR FAITH TO THEIR CHILDREN, I HAVE NO “REALISTIC” PROBLEM WITH RELIGION IN SCHOOLS.

        ATHEISM REQUIRES MATURE UNDERSTANDING AND REASON. MOST CHILDREN MUST BE SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS BEFORE EMBARKING ON A QUEST OF, “SELF.”

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, MY EARLIER COMMENTS WERE BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES AS A SUBSTITUTE TEACHER. I HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH EXTREMELY IRRATIONAL PARENTS. WHEN THIS IS COMBINED WITH VIOLENCE IN SCHOOLS – [In Memphis, there are cases of parents being violent on school grounds] – RELIGION IS A DEFINITE “HOT POTATO.”

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – I hear what you are saying, but God and religion are not synonymous. One can have a deep understanding of God but affiliate with no religion.

        The real issue here is an inherent, natural right to free expression, guaranteed under our Constitution. It doesn’t matter if it’s a “hot potato”. If someone speaks of his love of mountains or trees, is that offensive to someone who doesn’t care for those things?

        Ridiculous? Of course! What I feel has nothing to do with you or anyone else. Do I, therefore, have to remain silent, especially when giving a speech about my own experience?

        There can be no compromise with our Constitutionally guaranteed natural human rights. Never. Ever. To try to limit these things is expressly verboten. And to tell schoolchildren that they must limit themselves is for no other reason except to accustom them to being limited.

        Sorry, Christopher. You are wrong on this. You can talk all day about atheism, because that is your belief…and I don’t care in the least. Nor do I accept that your belief is more “mature” than mine. We just have different experience of life, and one is not more acceptable than the other. Atheism (or science) is just as much a ‘religion” as any other system of belief.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,” MA’AM – LET US CALL IT “A DRAW;” RELIGION IS A “STICKY” TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOR EVERYONE. PEOPLE WILL NEVER AGREE – GLOBAL WARS PROVE THIS FACT.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – I agree that religion can be a “sticky” subject, but so is politics, yet we discuss that every day.

        The bottom line is that this is a NATURAL RIGHT, expressly guaranteed by our Bill of Rights, and is granted from God. Government is FORBIDDEN to speak to this in any way whatsoever. Off-limits.

        This is not up for debate. It’s in the Bill of Rights, and it doesn’t matter if some people don’t agree with it. You simply may NOT just decide that YOU don’t think it’s a good idea and decide YOU have authority over another person’s expression.

        It is written by our founders that NO MAN may assume authority over another. Those who have are in treacherous violation of our Laws, which derive from the People.

        You insult humanity when you make it sound like we are incapable of controlling ourselves when it comes to respecting others’ beliefs. If some have a problem, then it is up to them to deal with their issues. In my whole life I’ve never seen anyone harm another for speaking their truth. In America we have always had that right.

        It simply doesn’t matter what you think, or what I think. Hands off what others have to say about ANYTHING.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, WHAT IF A RADICAL MUSLIM FORCED A CAUCASIAN-CHRISTIAN CHILD TO LISTEN TO THEIR DOCTRINE; HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?

        CHRISTIANS SHOULD BE CAREFUL TO NOT TAKE AN ELITIST-APPROACH WITH THE PUBLIC. I HOPE PEOPLE LEARNED SOMETHING FROM THIS ELECTION – ON TWO “FRONTS:”

        I). THE KENYAN WON RE-ELECTION – IN PART – BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY HAS NO REALISM IN MOST PEOPLE’S LIVES WHO ARE UNDER FORTY; AND
        II). THERE WAS “NO WAY IN HELL,” Governor Mitt Romney WOULD HAVE WON WHEN MOST PEOPLE CONSIDER MORMONS TO BE “GUYS WITH TEN OR TWELVE WIVES.” [Americans are liberal; but, NOT that liberal].

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – Come on now. There is a vast difference between an adult using their position of authority to indoctrinate children who have no choice in the matter, and a little girl reading an essay of her own experience.

        If you cannot understand this, then you do not have the common sense I thought you did.

        This is about free speech. You have to consider the intent and the situation. Indoctrination is intent to influence those who don’t know any better, and we do not have the right to cause harm to another. Yet, our schools practice indoctrination every day, and I don’t notice you having a problem with that.

        People are allowed to use profanity, to slur others, blatantly lie and to speak openly about all manner of things many of us find offensive, and yet it is covered under free speech. Mention “God”, and it’s as if you’ve committed the worst of crimes.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004022485564 Bill Johnson

        Find a vet that has been in a fire fight that hasn’t prayed to God to survive the auction and return home.

      • http://SameasAddress? Bill Bates

        Thanks, Vigilant, for correctly stating Article 1, of a proposed Bill of Rights. The FREE exercise of religion must never be at the cost of any otrhers. The boatload at Plymouth Roch were fleeing “state religion” but the original Constitution has numerous flaws In lifetime, the eleventy article of the proposed Bill of Rights has been approved, but if you will check, I think you asgree that the Bill of Rights will NEVER be completely accepted. Here’s to our roue’ Ambassador to France during the American Revolution, our unforgettable Ben Franklin; Hardly “Christian” behavior for our wonderful Founding Father. Thomas Jefferson’s New Testament? Justy read the rubric!

      • joesolargenius

        I wonder what would have happened had that young child been a Muslim and used the word Allah instead of God ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/steven.louton Steven Louton

      CAH you are one sick piece of crap and you wonder how Obama got reelected,i hope you lose everything you own to the new messiah.

      • Tim L.

        Steve, how utterly Christian of you.

      • Charlie Tall

        Steve sounds more like a liberal-progressive than a Christian.

      • eddie47d

        Why was Obama mentioned in your mini-tirade Steven? You don’t have to answer because we all know that he gets dragged into every situation. If you burn your finger on the stove do you holler out damn that Obama it has to be his fault. Some of you are over looking the fact that it was a parent who critiqued the poem and demanded it not be used not the school. Everyone wants parent power for themselves until a parent does something you don’t like then it gets blamed on the government.

      • JON

        Your words are only a reflection on you and how truly pathetic.your existence.

      • http://google David

        Go kneel before your boy Obama. Try it, it is a dirty Socialist ride at it’s best. You feed a rat, you get more rats.

      • Rob

        Steven Louton is right, eddie47d! Obama’s at the helm (enabled by you liberal ‘stink tanks’) in this ‘un-Godly movement’. YOU are the people making waves about every issue that comes down the road. The whiny group of liberal PC head jobs someday is going to choke on all the crap they gave ‘normal thinking’ Americans. I’m waiting for the liberal-conservative blood-letting revolution in the streets. It will happen. You won’t win. Not enough guns on your side. :>)

      • sylviam

        I do agree with parts of your reply, altho the little girl was refering to GOD not DEM or REPUB, she has every right to say GOD. The 1st. Ammendmant, is where it is. Also there is NOTHING there abour sepperation of GOD AND STATE. This Great Nation was founded on CHRIATIAN Belief. NO religeon is to tell the STATE OR GOVERNMENT what they can or cannot do.
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        Obama is not Christian or Muslim, he is Godless!!! Most anti-Life, anti-God president ever….one of only 15 pols to vote to snuff out baby who survived an abortion!!!! Not even Fallen Angels, Nephilim like Hilary or Ted Kennedy voted for that !!!

        Obama is a willing tool for the dark forces, he is most likely a Watcher, Fallen One himself!!!

      • eddie47d

        Seems like ROB and David burned their fingers on the stove too!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Steven Louton,”

        TRADITIONAL- AND CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS NEED TO DEAL WITH THE FACT CONTEMPORARY REPUBLICANS HAVE TAKEN RELIGION “OFF THE TABLE.”

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The Leftist ducks all in the row castigating Steven Louton and the man did not claim he is Christian. But take notice that eddie47 knew that messiah and O were one and the same.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Nadzieja Batki” – YOU MISUNDERSTOOD MY COMMENTS. I REPLIED TO, “Mr. Louton,” BECAUSE HE ASSUMED I AM A DEMOCRAT.

      • Kate8

        Well, Christopher, the fact that you do not respect our Bill of Rights would certainly lead one to think you are a democrat. No self-respecting conservative would ever indicate anything like that.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, I WILL BE TOTALLY HONEST.

        THERE IS A GREAT PART OF ME WHICH DESPERATELY WANTS YOU TO LIKE ME.

        BUT, I AM ANTI-AMERICAN.

      • Deerinwater

        So ???? Explain to us how “a parent” might have known about objectionable content if the child was not permitted to recite her work?

      • Kate8

        Well, CHRISTOPHER, what can I say to that. Are you an American? Are you communist?

        If so, I urge you to read this piece on America that appeared in Russia’s PRAVDA. This is a very compelling piece written through the eyes of a people who lived through communism.

        http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-12-2012/123005-communist_victory_amerika-0/

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        YES – I AM AMERICAN; I WAS BORN IN MISSISSIPPI.

        AS YOU KNOW, INTELLECTUALISM IS IMPORTANT TO ME. AS A SMALL CHILD, I WAS FASCINATED WITH WESTERN EUROPE. [My former partner is a Frenchman].

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, LIBERAL-ARTS EDUCATION IN AMERICA IS SOLELY BASED ON WESTERN EUROPE. UNITED STATES HISTORY IS THE ONLY SUBJECT FOCUSED ON AMERICA. BUT, IN THE ARTS AND SCIENCES WESTERN EUROPE IS “TOP-DAWG.”

        IF YOU ASK “EDUCATED” PEOPLE:

        Name a famous mathematician – A RUSSIAN WILL BE NAMED.
        Name a classical musician – BACH, BEETHOVEN OR MOZART WILL BE NAMED.
        Name a famous artist – LEONARDO da VINCI [ETC]., WILL BE NAMED.

        IF YOU ASK “UNEDUCATED” PEOPLE TO NAME FAMOUS AMERICANS IN THESE CATEGORIES, NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER.

        BECAUSE OF MY HOMOSEXUALITY, I HAVE ALWAYS FANTASIZED ABOUT LIVING IN GREECE, OR, FRANCE. IN A PERFECT WORLD – BECAUSE OF MY OBSESSION WITH CAUCASIAN MALES – I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHICH IS 99% CAUCASIAN WITH VERY FEW NEGROES.

        MY POINT IS, “Kate8,” THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS NO LEGITIMATE-CULTURAL HERITAGE OF ITS OWN – IT “LEECHES-OFF” THE CULTURAL ACHIEVEMENTS OF WESTERN EUROPE.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM. MY EMOTIONS ARE “RUNNING WILD” IN THIS THREAD. YOUR CRITICISM OF ME, REALLY “SHOOK ME.”

        I LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA – I WILL DIE HERE. LIVING IN A “SUPER-MAJORITY-” CAUCASIAN NATION IS NOT A REALISTIC OPTION FOR ME – ONLY FANTASY.

      • Kate8

        Christopher – I don’t know why what I think matters to you. All I know of you is what you post, and you seem a bit confused about just who you are.

        I get thrashed here almost every day by the trolls. So what. Face the truth about yourself and be set free.

        BTW, athiests are into intellectualism because they have separated themselves from their inner being, ususally because of feelings of abandonment by a higher power or of unworthiness. Our intellect, which is only a mental construct for navigating the dimension of form, has no concept of soul or spirit, so it assumes spirit does not exist. It only exists in the temporal world, and will do everything possible to rationalize and justify doing things of which your heart would advise otherwise. Hence, the separation from the heart. You cannot be whole if you are only a head dragging around a body.

        The answer, of course, is to face up to your pain and guilt and accept who you are, and reintegrate your being. Living in a state of fragmentation is a self-imposed state of separation from your true being, and is the very definition of hell. Many people are angry with churches, so they have discounted all things of the spirit. God is actually the Truth of your Inner Being, and your True Master. Christ said “No man comes to the Father except by me”, and “I am the Door”. The door is deep inside your heart, in the walls you’ve built around it, waiting for you to knock.

        Be okay with who you are. It makes no difference what others think of you. Know yourself, approve of yourself, give voice to your inner being, and you will have peace.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM – WITH ALL SINCERITY – I HOPE WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY DOES NOT OFFEND YOU.

        IN OUR FIRST CONVERSATION – MONTHS AGO – YOU MENTIONED YOU LIKE, POTTED PLANTS. AT THAT POINT, I CREATED A VISUAL IMAGE OF WHAT I THOUGHT YOU MAY LOOK LIKE. SINCE I KNOW YOUR AGE, I HAVE A “MOTHERLY” IMAGE OF YOU. THEREFORE, I BEGAN TO CHERISH YOU.

        MA’AM, PLEASE TAKE THESE WORDS WITH MY INTENTIONAL MEANING. I KNOW I AM NEGRO MALE AND YOU ARE CAUCASIAN FEMALE. BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, I AM NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ENDEARING FEELINGS FOR YOU.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, I HAVE NOT SEEN A RESPONSE TO MY COMMENTS.

        I WANT YOU TO KNOW I AM THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO MAKES EMOTIONAL CONNECTIONS WITH PEOPLE I HAVE NEVER SEEN.

        “Kate8,” MA’AM – PLEASE GO TO THE “Black Men Are More Apt To Get Prostate Cancer” THREAD. “Kate8,” MA’AM, YOU WILL SEE MY, “Top Ten List of Personal Libertarians.” “Kate8,” MA’AM, YOU ARE ONLY ONE OF TEN PEOPLE – ON THIS SITE – WHOM I HOLD IN HIGH-ESTEEM.

        I HOPE YOU ARE NOT ANGRY WITH ME.

        WITH GREAT SINCERITY,
        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • Gordon

        General comment:

        What a whiney bunch of piss pots.

        Get a life, crew.

    • Steve E

      If a kid doesn’t believe in God. Then he should feel inferior, because he is inferior.

      • Karolyn

        Steve – People with narrow minds are the ones who are inferior.

      • Tim L.

        Steve, if a child doesn’t believe in God maybe the child should be stoned to death. Would that make you feel a little better?

      • 45caliber

        Tim:

        Why on earth should a child who doesn’t believe in God be stoned to death? That sounds like a liberal’s actions when someone disagrees with them.

      • Steve E

        Karolyn polyanna. The facts are that if you do not believe in God you are inferior. You can’t face the facts. And yes, you would be narrow minded like the atheist who don;t want to look at manger scenes at Christmas time.

      • Steve E

        Tim L. I believe stoning them would be illegal. But if you want to do it. Go ahead.

      • Kate8

        Steve E – I agree. Let them kill their own. They have 50million dead infants to show how much they care about human life.

        That’s 50million fewer liberals than we would otherwise have had. Every cloud has its silver lining.

      • Karolyn

        Steve E – Wow! That’s a “fact?” roflmao :-)

      • Karolyn

        Wow! again, Steve. You are giving Christians a bad name, if you’re any example! Even if you’re not serious, just to tell somebody that if they wanted to stone an atheist child, they should just go ahead is a most un-christian thing to say!

      • Steve E

        Karolyn, you are not Christian, You live off the government dole stealing from others. Why don’t you stone them then and give Tim L a break.

      • eddie47d

        So true Karolyn. Although the left can be just as lame as the right some of those on the right never cease to amaze me. They are so loose with facts I grimace everyday!

      • Mike in MI

        Karolyn and eddie47 – If you two are to be true to your object of veneration you should certainly have no problem with the death of a little kid, whether by stones or a surgical malpractice. After all, if I recall correctly Obama is perfectly fine with it in voting the way he did regarding that mass of matter that died of being neglected after a botched abortion resulted in its live birth. Nobody even had the decency to administer a coup d’ gras. Just leave the poor baby there alone until the poor thing died of neglect.
        But, that’s modern medicine at its ethical norm.

        Just wait ’til Death By Obamacare kicks in fully. Everybody will have health insurance. Deteriorating health, no care … no cures but plenty of insurance… guaranteed… paid in dollars that are so hyper-inflated you’ll need a truckload of big bills just to bribe the security guard at the door to get in.

      • Kate8

        Mike in MI – It actually gets worse.

        It has been reported that many of these babys are actually taken and raised by child traffickers for sale to the elite. Many are beautiful children, and their lives are hell.

        Not to mention that a whole industry has developed around human fetal parts. They are sold on the open market, and fetal tissue is in many of our foods and beverages, like Coca Cola and cheese. And, of course, vaccines, medicines, cosmetics, and many other things.

        I also have heard that the elite use them in their longevity treatments. Could this, perhaps, be a big reason why they’ve so promoted abortion on a large scale, aside from reducing the population?

        These people are diabolical. More comes out about their horrors every day.

      • Steve E

        Great Blogs everyone! Getting back to my statement: “If a kid doesn’t believe in God. Then he should feel inferior, because he is inferior”. This statement is not hate because I have a remedy for this condition. Hey Kid! Believe in God and you will never be Inferior. Disease Cured… Next Problem?

      • Mike in MI

        K88 -
        OH! Ug-g-gh, YeeU-U-U-u-ck What won’t a lib think of next????

        Well, I don’t remember reading anywhere that “..,evil men will wax better and nicer.”

      • Karolyn

        Mike – I have no “object of veneration.”

      • DaveH

        Steve says — “The facts are that if you do not believe in God you are inferior”.
        That’s a fact? So we’re inferior if we don’t believe in something we can’t see, feel, smell, hear, or taste? We’re supposed to believe because somebody like you says so, Steve?
        We’re inferior because we don’t believe in the Adult Santa Clause?
        We’re inferior because we don’t believe there is a supernatural being who is all-knowing, omnipotent, omnipresent, and had no beginning and has no end?
        We’re inferior because we don’t believe what Self-Serving Leaders throughout history promoted to keep their Followers obedient?
        For those who would like to remove their blinders:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

        • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

          Steve is still learning about his religion, or else is not practicing it as it requires or he would not be making a “blind” attack on others. Rreligions are made by man, usually to strenghten social ties, give rules to live life by – and that is not a bad thing.

          I personally do not think that God would mind what one refers to him as (we all know he has many names) as long as one is basically decent, and really has a moral structure. Remember, it is NOT what one does when their are witnesses around, it is easly to paly “nice” with an audience. It is what you do when you are alone with no witnesses.

          Religions, much like politics draw those who want power – not necesarily to honor their God(s). It is a human thing.

    • securityman

      So, to you they can refer to islam or what ever they believe in, just so long as it’s not “GOD”. Man, you are an IDIOT of the first degree.This country was built on the belief in GOD and people like you make me wonder just how much longer it will be before they ,the unGodly, try to take everything away from us. You and people like you, are one of the main reasons that I keep my weapons all loaded….

      • http://Infowars.com Tom

        Amen to that!!!

      • FOSAR

        Amen brother!

    • Michael

      North Carolina continues to rush to the front of the progressives east coast states. They must be trying to emulate Kalifornia.

      • Combat seabee

        Just trying to be like Bloomers from N.Y.C.! Hey, N.C., watch out for your sodas, that’s coming next!!!!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So by your reasoning it is OK to make a child who believes in the God of Heaven “feel” inferior because the people with made up gods want their preeminence.

    • 45caliber

      Christopher:

      I have to disagree with you on this one. If the child is truly atheist, they have no reason to feel inferior. They simply will ignore the statement. If they feel inferior, it is because they do feel that there is a god and that they don’t know who that god is. In that case, they need to ask parents, etc. to learn. If the parent is a true atheist, they will explain in a way the child can understand.

      But ALL children feel inferior at one time or another. They may feel inferior because they can’t play football or baseball as well as another child. They may fell inferior because they can’t get straight ‘A’s a another child can. It is wrong to try to eliminate that for children just as it is wrong to attempt to always make them feel that they are superior to other children. Too many of today’s youth feel that they are supreme beings and all others should recognize this and reward them for it – and they are willing to punish people (by killing them in some cases) if they won’t do that. Children NEED to fail as well as succeed at what they attempt to do since they will certainly fail at something when they are adults. They need to know they can move on from failure and inferiority in something.

      • mhtrc55

        How did all of you happen to leave the train track on this one?! First, how did you “assume” this little girl, or any child, was atheist? The little girl in the article was simply writing a poem, as assigned by her teacher, about veterans. She chose to write about her grandfather and was referencing his experience while serving in Vietnam. She was in no way endorsing any belief in God, but was simply re-telling what her grandfather had done. For this girl to have her rights trampled on is a disgrace. Every day we hear about the “few” who want Christmas trees called “Holiday” trees, mangers removed from Christmas displays and removal of Christmas pageants & Christmas songs from any Christmas plays during the Christmas holidays. This didn’t seem to be an issue until the liberals had to make sure that we were all “PC” in our daily actions. I respect everyone’s right to practice their chosen religions; however, this is America. The “majority” should not have to alter all of our religions, traditions or language to please the “few”. Enough already. And, all of you, stop bringing Obama and/or Bush into every discussion to prove your points. Bush has been out of office almost 4 years now and Obama is not part of this discussion.

      • Combat seabee

        Well stated and written, but we know that the liberals don’t want the score kept so in a competition, there is no competition!! All are winners! Until they get into the real world and it hits them squarely in the face and they wonder what happened!!!!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “45caliber,”

        SIR, AS ALWAYS, IT IS GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

        THERE ARE TWO THINGS WHICH MUST BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION:

        I). NAME CALLING. On the first day of kindergarten, kids give each other the “look over.” Daddy and Mama will be called bad names if a kid is not dressed properly. No one wants to look poor. Like their parents, these children also utilize Christian references in their speech. If a child is of another faith, he/she will be considered, “weird; AND,
        II). PROFANITY AND “OFF-COLOR” STATEMENTS IN THE HOME. Many parents consider their home to be their “castle.” Many parents believe it is important for their children to see life, “UP-CLOSE AND REAL.” [Former Second Lady, Tipper Gore, was greatly "out-of-touch" in her crusade for V-Chips in televisions]. Religion is not, “off-limits.” If parents call people of a certain faith [like, Hebrews] a “dirty” name, they say it openly in the presence of their children. ["45caliber" - If an adult wants to know the profane-speech pattern of another adult, he/she merely has to listen to speech utilized by their children; children utilize the EXACT profane words their parents use].

        THEREFORE “45caliber,” SIR, IT CAN BE A SIMPLE ISSUE OF SCHOOL SAFETY TO BAR THE MENTIONING OF, “god,” IN SCHOOL ASSEMBLY.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “mhtrc55,”

        YOU MISUNDERSTOOD. “45caliber” KNOWS I AM ATHEIST. SO, HE RESPONDED TO MY COMMENTS WITH THAT PERSPECTIVE.

        THE LITTLE GIRL IN THIS STORY IS CHRISTIAN.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – The idea that just the mention of God in an assembly is outrageous. If these kids have been taught to erupt over such a small thing, then they are learning to feel this way at school. Perhaps they need to be taught to be more respectful.

        Kids are not naturally stupid. My experience with kids is that they are far more accepting than many adults.

        Bottom line: no one has the right to restrict natural rights, no matter what justification they try to come up with.

    • Texas Ride

      CAH, why would someone feel “inferior” if they were not a Christian! And, if they do “that is their problem, not ours!”

      Why do you think that the word GOD is only uttered by Christians! . That little girl did nothing wrong, yet she is being punished by the very radicals that preach “tolerance!”
      Guess all that “tolerance” B.S. only works one way.

      Christianity, America’s relationship with GOD, built this country! Our Courtrooms display the Ten Commandments. This is “One Nation Under GOD.” Christians need to grow a pair and defend their religion.

      Christianity is why we Americans have been prosperous and free. Only a moral people can enjoy freedom. Immorality or a lack of morals brings depravity and tyranny. There is nothing wrong with Christianity being “top dawg” as you so irreverantly remarked! Our religion taught people to act in a “GODLY” way….that is a “good thing” and people like you got to enjoy a higher standard of living because of it. You would not be allowed to speak out against any other religion without a huge “backlash.” In the mideast you would be dead if you spoke out against the “religion of peace.”

      Last I heard, many religions speak of God, in one form or the other. You and your ilk abuse the freedom that the “brave people of this country” has procured and protected for you so you can be snide and criticize. If you don’t like living in a Christian country, there are a lot of people that will help you pack! You are in the minority here. Only in the communist party (formerly the democrat party) has GOD been denied three times (at their convention!) The other Seventy-percent of Americans consider themselves to be Christian..

      • moonbeam

        “Why do you think that the word GOD is only uttered by Christians!”

        God’s name is also uttered by those who are not Christian, even the ungodly. They utter His name in vain daily with their “Oh my God” for everything. They even utter His name when they are in sudden trouble even though they had no time for Him or wanted nothing to do with God otherwise. You will hear even the most vile offender cry out “Oh God please help me!” when danger, fear and confusion make a surprise visit.

        Just listen to people in your daily walk through life. You will hear God’s name everywhere even from those who claim not to believe in Him.

      • Karolyn

        What makes you think God is a “him?”

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Texas Ride,”

        I WANT TO BE CLEAR – I BELIEVE THE CHILD DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG.

        I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD HAVE HEARD THE CHILD SAY, “god.”

        WHAT WOULD THIS CHILD’S FUTURE INTERACTIONS WITH CLASSMATES BE LIKE IF A PEER [OF ANOTHER FAITH], “WENT-OFF?”

      • DaveH

        Karolyn says — “What makes you think God is a “him?””.
        Because he was created by man.

        • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

          Because God is beyond the conccept of humnas so what was used was “man”. Never forget the word then, as now, also stnads for “mankind” not just the males of the species.

          • Pied Piper

            How do you know if God is a him? Jesus said You have seen me you have seen the Father who is God. God is a spirit but Jesus came and was the image of God.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      By the way, the child was offering up the highest respect and praise to the two men who would become her grandfathers. What a lovely heritage that child has.

    • J D S

      Anyone who does not serve the true, living God, Jehovah, should feel inferior! Simple.

    • Kim

      Hopefully you will wake up and know that God is an entity that most know about and if they do not should. If individuals are of any other religion, they still know of God and should not be offended. You are wrong with your narrow minded comment.

    • http://wildblue.net bungal

      You are right about one thing in that some of the administrators could be Atheist. However, reality says that about 95% of the worlds population believes in a Creation, a Creator, and a God. I see no mention that this girl mentioned who she was praying to,and I would uphold her right to speak, even if she mentioned the name of Christ. This country was not founded by Atheists but Christians. 85% of those that signed our Declaration of Independence were “Born Again” Christians. We also note that there were a few Agnostics, but no one was an Atheist. Thomas Jefferson was an Agnostic and, before he was allowed to become our President he had to take a vow to support our faith.

      If another were to say the name Allah in their poem, it is the same. They would have every right to do this. We and over 90% of our worlds Countries support freedom to express beliefs. Some refuse all but their own. We are not a country of foolish Atheists who also have their right to believe what they wish and to express it. Why, if they can, couldn’t she? She has every right and us Vets who died or served did it for that right!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004022485564 Bill Johnson

        Try this in an islamic country and you could loose your fat head

    • http://worldpree hangman

      We all know that this is a Christian country, and if an atherist, muslim, or other degenarate does not like our Christian ways, our constitution, our beliefs, remember that NO ONE forced you to come here, you slithered in like the snakes you are, and you must be aware that NO one is holding you here. Good riddance to bad rubbish, go protest elsewhere. Iran, maybe?

      • Karolyn

        Hey, hangman, you do know that there are a great many “atherists” and Muslims who are natural born citizens don’t’ you?

      • eddie47d

        Is Hangman in his bunker searching for signals of life again? He better check his own pulse first!

    • http://sossparty.org Ron Murray

      Feeling inferior is a personal choice, even among children. If reading or hearing the word”God” makes them feel inferior, it is because their parents or others have taught them to feel that way, perhaps because they are in fact inferior.

    • Vicki

      CAH writes:
      “IT WOULD BE WRONG TO MAKE A CHILD WHO PRACTICES ANOTHER IDEOLOGY FEEL INFERIOR.”

      The one who chooses to feel inferior is the one with the power to STOP feeling inferior.

    • judge

      Based on your comments you are for the state sponsored religion that is currently being practiced. The Supreme court defined religion as a set of beliefs and practices. Therefore to fail to mention God or to restrict the mention of God or any other Religions supreme on lack of supreme (athiesm) is a violation of the 1st amendment. The state shall make no law (it should be inherently obvious that a ruling is establishment of law) concerning the establishment or practice of religion. The words or mention of separation is not in the constitution anywhere. Please read it for yourself. I’ m not making anything up here. Not allowing the mention of God is by the words themselves concerning the practice of religion. This was not being done to trample on others religion but a statement in a poem. Next we wont be able to use the words, red, white, yellow, black because they might offend someone.

      • ranger09

        God, Is a word that has been called by many names since the beginning of time.We all need something to believe in That is GOOD. And a little story about an Atheists LT in Viet Nam. On Patrol the Group fell into an ambush, Over half of them was killed or wounded, It looked pretty bad for them.Running low on ammo,and no confirmed help nearby.The Sgt, a two year vet was moving around checking the men when he noticed the LT was hunkered down with his hands in front of his face, Sgt moved over to him and asked was he ok, The LT replied im praying, The sgt said i thought you did not believe in God, The LT replied HELL I WILL TRY ANYTHING IF IT WILL HELP Well a couple of gun ships showed up and took away the Problem. Now this was one smart Atheists.Because we never know until Death is knocking at the door.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “judge,”

        BECAUSE OF MY COMMENTS IN THIS THREAD, MANY OF YOU SEEM TO THINK I AM A “CLOSETED” LIBERAL AND INTENTIONALLY “SET-OUT” TO FOOL ALL OF YOU.

        I AM THE SAME PERSON I WAS WHEN Y’ALL MET ME IN JUNE. THE DIFFERENCE IS I HAVE SHARED MORE ABOUT MYSELF, SINCE THEN. YES – I AM NEGRO; YES – I AM HOMOSEXUAL; AND, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE Googled MY NAME, YES – I ENJOY “SLEAZE.” REPUBLICANS HAVE SEX LIVES, TOO; AND, MANY REPUBLICANS DO NOT GO TO CHURCH.

        PEOPLE IN ANOTHER THREAD ARE “FLIPPING-OVER” Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC) AND CONGRATULATING HIM IN REFERENCE TO HIS MOVE TO Heritage Foundation. I SHARE THOSE SENTIMENTS; BEST WISHES TO HIM. [I know nothing of the senator]. BUT, Senator DeMint IS TOO OLD TO BE EFFECTIVE. [Do not forget about society's overall view of, Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC); There is such a thing (in politics), as being TOO conservative].

        SO, MY POINT IS, IF YOU ALLOW YOUR GROWING KNOWLEDGE OF ME TO PERSUADE YOU TO DISMISS MY CREDIBILITY WHEN I MAKE COMMENTS ON CONSERVATIVE ARTICLES [LIKE, THIS ONE], THEN ONE OF TWO THINGS MUST BE TRUE:
        I). OLDER REPUBLICANS ARE “OUT-OF-TOUCH” WITH YOUNGER REPUBLICANS; OR,
        II). CHRISTIANS NEED TO LEAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A PARTY OF THEIR OWN. [Since people consider Christianity to be so popular in this nation, surely, a "Christian Party" (in 2016) would get more than one percent of the national vote (2012; Libertarian Party)].

      • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

        Judge,in YOUR unfallable judgement,O Great One,should we ban The Lays Of Ancient Rome or the Illiad because they have reference to deitys or it is just refernces to Crhistianity that offend you?
        Joann Flanagan

    • S.C.Murf

      cah you need to make that popping sound then take your satanism and leave, for you are ignorant of the constitution.

      up the hill
      airborne

    • CAROL

      THE LITTLE GIRL WAS WRITING FROM HER HEART…. SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO READ HER POEM. IT IS JUST AMAZING THAT ONE PERSON CAN RUIN A SCHOOL PROGRAM FOR ONE LITTLE GIRL EVERYONE THAT STOPPED THIS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES. THIS IS SOMETHING SHE WILL NEVER FORGET.

      .

      • Kate8

        CAROL – You are absolutely right.

        Liberals are always crowing about doing things “for the children”, but they really hate children. They do so many things to damage and oppress the most innocent of us…

        That little girl propably feels as if she has done something terrible in her efforts to share her joy. Things like this haunt a person for life, as children take such things deeply.

        I say, shame on everyone who thinks this is okay.

        What has this country become. Our children have become pawns to those who are working to destroy our America. Collateral damage.

    • LTCB

      Sir, I’ll try to remain civil. For you to tell this kid she cannot state a historical FACT, religious or not, is INSANE. Whether or not the girl even believes that praying was a good thing or whether or not she believes in God was not raised. The simple statement reflecting a HISTORICAL FACT THAT THEY PRAYED cannot POSSIBLY “infringe” or make anyone “fee” inferior. If I say you’re condemned and going to the firey pit, your argument about that and any complaint about that would be WITH THE HISTORICAL FACT THAT I MADE THAT STATEMENT. So, by your own logic, you cannot possibly bring a complaint because you would then be REPEATING A HISTORICAL FACT that was of a religious nature and, as such, should have no standing in court. Your logic pattern is seriously flawed.

      • Mike in MI

        LTCB -
        He has confessed to being homosexual.
        God says such people have “reprobate minds (void of judgment)”.
        ‘Nuff said.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Mike in MI” – I HEAR YA, SIR. I RESPECT YOU, SIR; I HOPE YOU BELIEVE ME.

    • Dave

      cah;
      That six year old girl was well within HER constitutional right to mention GOD in a poem relating to her grandfathers experience. I cannot fathom how low an individuals self worth could be; by being; ahem; ” OFFENDED “; by something a six year old was reading in class. Maybe you should think on and ponder this:

      In 1782; the 1st English bible was commissioned by CONGRESS to be distributed in SCHOOLS.

      In 1798 ; those atheists and deists were at it again. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams; along with many signers of the Constitution and The Declaration of Independence PRIVATELY funded the further distribution of Bibles to the nations SCHOOLS. How far as a society and nation this country has fallen; to be held hostage by these half wit shallow cretins; that infest our schools and government. Seriously.

      • Mike in MI

        Dave -
        One thing you need to realize from the start is that almost all libs and progs genuflect at the altar of “Humanism”. This philosophy has been adjudicated and declared a “religion” because the people who devised the philosophic part also assigned actions that should be pursued in respect of the ideas put forth. It is almost, point for point, diametrically opposite to Biblical (God’s revealed) ideas.
        So this, their faith is religious in reality…even if (or though) they don’t realize it nor acknowledge their ideas as such. That is also why they are so fervent about this stuff.

        If a person is “…without God and without hope in this world…(Ephesians 2:12)” whatever you have in your head is pretty much without authority, basis or certainty. So, since their ideas can’t conform to reality the best thing they can do is stick their fingers in their ears and yell inanities (or obscenities) with great vigor.

    • Ross Jones

      Are we still in America? Americans should try reading the book of Isaiah and see what happened to the Jews when they turned away from God.

      • Mike in MI

        Ross Jones –
        In my opinion, if I may state it, a better book is Jeremiah and the parallel history in II Kings and II Chronicles which shows the accounts of what God did for a man who walked and talked with God through an horrific period of history. Jeremiah was brought through the destruction of Jerusalem and Babylonian banishment. Afterwards, he went to his ancestral property in Benjamin and lived out his life there peacefully.

    • http://WWSDeals.com Winfield

      CAH, in response to you first comment, I say “GET A LIFE!” You are such an idiot “nit picker”, not unlike the concerned parent, and the others, who objected to this little girl reading her poem.
      I was too disgusted to read much farther.

    • Deerinwater

      So ???? Explain to us how “a parent” might have known about objectionable content if the child was not permitted to recite her work?

    • Ron

      Christopher Allen Horton mind your own business and stop trying to force your narrow views on others. with y6our inane sentiments.

    • David

      When are people ever going to show tolerance. This has been the problem with this world forever. If we want it to change we need to start practicing tolerance. Not arguing, when will people learn to listen to others point of view. If we are so offended that someone mentions God in a personal poem about her grandfather and some parent can’t sit there and listen without being offended, we are being absolutely ridiculous. What are we teaching our children. Shame on the parent for not just sitting there a listening or choosing to leave during that girls poem. Instead we rob a young girl of her opportunity to express her love for her grandfather. People like this disgust me, ideology over tolerance. This is the wrong message we allow.

    • Ron

      This country was formed under God . Since when is God a religion, Catholics, Jewish etc. are religions.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004022485564 Bill Johnson

      freedom of religion is different from freedom from religion

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      Horton or is that Whoreton? Get your head out of where the sun don’t shine, get a brain, at least a little of it and explain where you came from? The building where I live said I couldn’t pray at the Christmas Dinner, well after those lawyers with a brain said I had that right via the Constitution, the managers said, No problem, Pray. you don’t like that Mr. get your butt to a place where life is as you want it and leave good Americans alone, you Godless piece of what ever, your not god and never will be, so get over yourself, egoist.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Benjamin Fox,”

        A SENIOR-LIVING FACILITY IS DIFFERENT FROM A SCHOOL.

        “Mr. Fox,” BECAUSE SENIORS ARE (BASICALLY) THE SAME AGE, THEY SHARE SIMILAR VALUES; THEREFORE, IF THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS WANT A CHRISTMAS TREE, SOMETHING CAN BE DONE TO MAKE ALL RESIDENTS HAPPY ABOUT THE SITUATION [maybe, place the tree in a "less traveled" part of the building so opposers do not have to view it].

        ON THE OTHER HAND, “Mr. Fox,” THIS NATION HAS LAWS REQUIRING CHILDREN TO GO TO SCHOOL – THAT MEANS ALL CHILDREN OF ALL RACES AND FAITHS. THEREFORE, IT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG TO MAKE A Negro-”Nation of Islam-” Child, OR, A Southeast-Asian Buddhist Child HEAR A CAUCASIAN CHILD – A MEMBER OF THE MOST POWERFUL RACE IN THIS NATION – SAY THE WORD,”god.”

        • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

          Actually you are incorrect. Volunteering in a school district I know.

          Please understand that at Christmas Kwazaa decorations, and other religious decorations are put up, all except Christian. No Christmas tree, all decorations that are “christian” based must only use the word “Holiday” on it.

          That means that those in our government, in public schools, in cities, towns, etc are supporting any religion EXCEPT Christianity (which is banned) – which is ILLEGAL here in the USA.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kansas Bright,”

        CHRISTMAS TREES AND HEBREW CANDLES ARE ON DISPLAY IN MEMPHIS’ SENIOR-LIVING FACILITIES. AT LAST CHECK, THERE WERE NO “RELIGION-SPECIFIC-” HOLIDAY DISPLAYS IN Memphis City Schools.

    • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

      Well,Chris,would you rather the kid reported that her Grandfather prayed to the Devil when he was in a tight spot! It’s hardly a military secret that there were no aitheists in the foxholes!
      So why penalise the kid for alluding to this well documented historical fact!
      Would you be less offended if some boy wrote a poem about Uncle Oscars’ nostologic report of sodomy in the barracks during war time!
      Joann Flanagan

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Joann Flanagan,”

        YOU MADE YOUR POST TODAY [8 DECEMBER]. HAVE YOU NOT SEEN MY REPLY-COMMENTS? MY OPPOSITION IS MERELY BASED ON SCHOOL SAFETY.

    • Jennifer

      Would you say that preventing this girl from reading her poem might be considered “Prohibiting the free exercise of religion”? The law is for freedom FOR religion, not freedom FROM it. So an atheist might have their feelings hurt if somebody said “God”? Awwwww. How did that little girl, and her family, feel when excluded from sharing her personal experience of how war affected somebody in her family? The law does not exist to keep people’s feelings from being hurt, because anything is bound to hurt SOMEBODY’s feelings. The law’s intent is to protect ACTION…namely the act of expressing one’s faith, or in this case, simply reporting somebody else’s actions of faith

    • Jerry Rutherford

      EVERYBODY SHOULD READ THIS. I have listened to or should I say read all the comments on the 1st Amendment. Most of the oppression is committed by the left as they try to controll education and get more votes to their side with all the Political Correctness and their cause. They oppress children and teachers that want to stray off the path of their complete controll by using fear of losing their jobs and being kicked out of school. “As a White Male and up in age, 50′s. I am not a child or do I work for the system. Because of FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF RELIGION I can walk in any school in this country and sing that Jesus loves me and Jesus Loves all the little children of the world. That I believe in Jesus and he is my Savior. Not one person would say a word to me because they know the truth. They know what the law says about our freedoms. Anyone want to bet me. Because I can’t be threatened by their BULL SH… that they will fire me or kick me out of school and can’t graduate. WHO WANTS TO DEAL WITH ALL THAT AND THEY KNOW IT… As a citizen of this USA they can’t do anything. And if they did I would bring a lawsuit on them. They only mess with the weak. They are cowards. Do you know what Jesus said about cowards. “They will be at fault as much as the ones that let these things occur and stood by and done nothing”. These people want to be your OPPRESSERS. Last thing. “Jesus said if anyone keeps these little-ones away from me, they will answer to me”. So have faith and let not your heart be troubled. MY dad said if the older people and the children love you you are doing OK.

    • figmo

      You’re kidding right? Christians have been made to feel inferior because their religion is stifled while other religions are fawned over by the media and the government entities such as schools. The Second Amendment simply says that the government “SHALL MAKE NO LAW” regarding the establishment of religion. How that got bastardized to our current rediculous situation where you can’t even say the word “God” is by our courts acting as legislatures. You will notice that the ACLU only files suit to block the christian religion from all public places. They take no action against other religions. They probably get public funding as well as generous donations from Soros to do it with.

    • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

      Chris,I’ve read the poem “Horatio At The Bridge” including the part where Horatio prays to Father Tiber,the god of the river he’s about to jump into yet I’ve never felt inferior about not believing in the divinity of the Tiber even once!
      Do you want to ban “little Women” too because there is a reference in it to MR March being a chaplain or the Illiad and Odyssy ?
      It’s one thing to have religious doubts. It’s another to hate and persecute religious believers.
      Joann Flanagan

      • Pied Piper

        And at the same time they want to expoit our prosperity that our God bless us with. Wanting what we have in one breath and cursing us in the next. It makes me tired but I have joy standing on the truth. Love to all.

      • Pied Piper

        They persecute everyone. Anyone that is not them. They have no contentment. They even eat their own. Their end justifies the means. They are lovers of themselves.

  • Paul Wells

    Those who would abridge a child’s right to use God’s name in a Veteran’s day poem of appreciation, are those who would abridge other rights as well, pick an amendment, 1st, 2nd, doesn’t matter. That parent should have been told to insert fingers into ears, as that particular poem was read. Our rights have been abridged enough!!!!

    • Don Watson.

      Well said Sir.

    • http://wildblue.net bungal

      Your totally right and one more thing. The ACLJ has fought such cases in the Supreme Court and the court upheld the right to speak. We have every right, child or adult to speak of God and the Supreme Court says so. The school is in violation and should be taken to court or the parents of the girl can write the ACLJ and they will send a letter to that school affirming her rights. If they refuse, they will suffer deeply!

      If the parent who objected were walking in our Liberal controlled hallways and heard cursing and God’s name in vain, we are sure they would say nothing as they probably use them themselves and their children as well. We see it is those with no honor trying to control those who have respect for others. Would the parents of the girl object to someone naming the name of Allah in a poem? We know they would not.

    • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

      Well what can you expect from a society depraved and tyranical to abridge our 1st Ammendment rights by requiring clergy to subsidise contraception,sterilisation and abortion with church funds under the ludicrously hypocritical pretense of “providing healthcare”!!
      Joann Flanagan

  • WHAT THE HECK???

    gee, I didn’t know that little girl was a member of Congress trying to establish a state religion…..She mentioned God , was it the Jewish God, YAWWEH, or Buddha or Allah or Jesus? Who Cares!!! What if she had called it a New Agey thing, like “The Source”…Who Cares!!

    PURE INSANITY!!!! CAH, you are so wrong it ain’t funny

  • http://yahoo mytwocentswrth

    Educated people behaving as though they have no minds, cannot read, and do not understand English. They’re just scared of offending the politically correct crowd at the expense of this child’s Constitutional rights. Their arguments are both lame and offensive. Shame on all of them. There is nothing I would want them to teach my child.

    • Carol

      AMEN

    • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

      This is what happens when parents send their kids to public schools to be “educated”.

      FYI Christopher Allen Horton – your silly “politically correct” post is full of rubbish.

    • Ed Mack

      Seems to me these highly educated (people ?) are ,in their minds, the ONLY ones who were hurt by the reference to God. They were outsmarted by a first grader. Quite apparently more intelligent than her school administrators who have no common sense and only what is in a book; if it’s not in a book it can’t be so. Just another “politically correct” infusion of the highly educated idiots(I can’t really call them “people”; are they?). A brilliant show of their power.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      What is truly ridiculous to read is that the word God written (spoken) by a child has sent up fear and rage and hate by supposedly educated and grown up people. A simple word scares the bejeebies out of these people.

      • Vicki

        Considering their nature, the word of God should scare them.

      • Karolyn

        It doesn’t scare them. They just take themselves too seriously and are the type of people who will turn in their neighbors for child abuse because a baby is playing naked in the yard. (I knows somebody this happened to.)

      • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

        Wonder how that poor kinds’ persecuters feel about crosses,garlic and Holy Water!
        Joann Flanagan

    • LTCB

      Don’t you love it when the “adults” are acting like the scared little children and are the ones afraid of the dark? OOOH, God might get me. Folks, I love the Lord, but, if you’re going to complain about a diety you mock and say does not exist, then who’s really whistling in the graveyard now? Seems it’s you. Let’s see, I don’t believe in God, His Son, or His Holy Spirit AT ALL. Now, I hear someone mention this non-diety and act like they REALLY LIKE this figment of their imaginations. WHY should I be upset about that? The Cristians should be every much more offended with the non-believer because of their establishment of a NON-RELIGION; which folks, takes faith and so, by definition, is a RELIGION. Atheism and Agnosticism are BOTH RELIGIONS.

      • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

        Do Crucifixes and Holy Water upset you too,LTCB?
        Do you have to work the night shift/
        Joann Flanagan

    • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

      They’re also sacrificing historical accuracy by censoring the information that men in foxholes called on a higher power-something which has been known to happen.
      How some people hate the TRUTH and love the Lie!
      Joann Flanagan

  • Motov

    Suppose the child was Muslim, and he used the word “Allah”? would there be a big fuss about this?

    • http://www.facebook.com/steven.louton Steven Louton

      Hell no,some clown in the liberal media would want to have the child given a pulitzer prize.

      • Carol

        Sad but, true.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      No.

    • eddie47d

      No MOTOV would have been the parent who screamed bloody murder if the name Allah was used and demanded the school censor that child. You can be fairly sure this controversy would work both ways. Personally I would encourage any child to express their beliefs and opinions and see nothing wrong with this girl reciting her honest feelings or thoughts in a poem. Now school administrators or teachers have an obligation not to be biased in their own words in defending one religion over another because of policy. Apparently the girl was allowed to read her poem in class but not at the assembly because it needed other parents approval (consultation)..

      • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

        * check’s Eddie’s temperature *

      • Vigilant

        eddie says, “Now school administrators or teachers have an obligation not to be biased in their own words in defending one religion over another because of policy.”

        The girl was touting no religious belief, eddie. She was describing an action that someone else did.

        Principal Desarae Kirkpatrick, Vice Principal Nakia Carson and McDowell County School Superintendent Gerri Martin are absolutely wrong in claiming that the girl’s DESCRIPTION of her grandfather’s action violates any Constitutional principle whatsoever, and most decidedly did NOT “endorse one single religion over another.”

        As I said to CAH, this ridiculous standard would disallow the reading aloud of our founding documents, inauguration speeches, voluminous writings of the Founders, Supreme Court Decisions, etc., and would censor every book ever written from being read to an assembly because the word “God” appears in it.

        Those school officials do not understand the Constitution, let alone the innocent creative writings of an elementary school child. Again, DESCRIPTION IS NOT ENDORSEMENT.

      • Vicki

        Also worth noting is the fact the child is neither the government nor an agent of the government. The Constitution is a set of enumerated powers and limits on GOVERNMENT and its agents not on people. Even a teacher could have read that poem as long as he/she was not acting in his/her capacity as a “public school teacher”

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest ME

      Since our President is a Muslim,saying Allah would be fine,THIS SUCKS.America was founded on Godly principals,and we need to keep it this way.

    • ranger09

      ALLAH IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR GOD. CAN ANYONE TELL ME IN HISTORY THE FIRST TIME THE WORD GOD WAS USED

  • jim

    The school staff and administrators should all be reprimanded for their decision.

    • Motov

      Agreed

    • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

      Nah, they should be fired.

      • http://Infowars.com Tom

        I agree with you on that!

      • Vigilant

        And sued for violation of Civil Rights.

      • eddie47d

        You want to fire the administration when they were put between a rock and a hard place by conflicting parents? If only life was that easy. I guess you could hire Mitt because as he said ” I love to fire people”.

    • http://wildblue.net bungal

      The case of anyone mention God has already been decided by the Supreme Court. We should note that the ACLU sends out fliers in response to those complaining, even though they know the cases have already been won for freedom of speech for any religion! The ACLJ won these cases in our Supreme Court and the fact that Atheist parents that give objection would not if it was in the hallways of our, now, guard protected schools if many kids are insulting others by using a Creator’s name in vain. We won our freedom of speech and these idiots, who lack knowledge should be fired on the spot! They are not supporting our freedoms or, even a Liberal Courts decision to support the girls right, or others. Is this a Commie controlled Administration? A letter about the decision to support those freedoms should be sent to the school and a a big reason for dismissal because there are not Americans in that Administration.. They make me sick!

  • TIME

    Dear People,

    We are all broken in some way, saddly many are broken far beyond any form of repair, Thus they are with out any form of SOUL nor The Higher Self.

    As this nation was indeed founded on the platform of “FREEDOM” of speach / choice, if one is offended by such, then they should find a nation that allows no form of “FREEDOM” to exist.

    Its really quite simple, “FREEDOM” hold’s a massive burden of allowing others to offend ~ and that’s what {Ture Freedom} is based on. Thus one can not abridge such as its nature.

    Peace & Love Merry Christmas ~God Bless ~ May the Creator grant all of you the ability to view the beauty of Love and nature, as well to understand that we are all connected by that LOVE. “Positive Energy begets Positive Results.”

    Only when we understand that ~ can we move forward to a higher level of being.

    • Vicki

      TIME writes:
      “Its really quite simple, “FREEDOM” hold’s a massive burden of allowing others to offend ~ and that’s what {Ture Freedom} is based on. Thus one can not abridge such as its nature.”

      Another way to look at the situation is that the person who is offended has ALL THE POWER to STOP being offended. I can not offend someone who chooses to NOT be offended.

      Observed in this light the burden of freedom is trivial to carry.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “TIME,”

      SIR, I THINK YOU KNOW I RESPECT YOU, WITH FONDNESS.

      BUT, I WILL UTILIZE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE PERFECT! DURING THIS SEASON, YOU ARE CLOSING YOUR COMMENTS WITH, “Merry Christmas.”

      WHAT ABOUT THE Personal Libertarians WHO DO NOT CONSIDER 25 DECEMBER TO BE A DAY OF REVERENCE? HOW DO YOU THINK THEY FEEL ABOUT YOUR CLOSING?

      • Vicki

        Since they are in FULL control of how they feel it doesn’t really matter what he thinks.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vicki,”

        I HAVE NO “REALISTIC” PROBLEM WITH, “TIME’s,” CLOSING.

        I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THIS IS A LIBERTARIAN SITE. I COULD BE WRONG, BUT, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT LIBERTARIANS CONSIDER IT TO BE IMPORTANT TO LET RELIGIOUS REPUBLICANS KNOW THAT THEIR VALUES HAVE DESTROYED THE PARTY IN OUR CONTEMPORARY TIME.

        RELIGION MUST REMAIN “BEHIND CLOSE DOORS,” IF REPUBLICANS WANT “TRACTION” WITH THE PUBLIC.

        • Motov

          I think they simply don’t want you “cramming your religion down other people’s throat” so to speak, Many people talk the walk,… but if you let your walk do the talking, then you got it. I discovered everybody has a point of view of God, and this nation allows us to have our own point of view of God, That’s what freedom of religion is all about

      • Motov

        Or better put,… One cannot legislate morality, obviously you cannot run around murdering people, but you shouldn’t legislate about alcohol consumption, (unless you jump in a car and run people over, ) but for the most part people drink responsibly, same is true for other substances like pot. That should be left up to the individual to decide. Pot is far less dangerous than alcohol, and making people criminals because they prefer to get high over drunk is just plain stupid. Keep the jail cells for people like most of the politicians, I think many of their next terms should be spent in jail anyways,… and not jails with golf courses either!

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – Bottom line: we have the right to say anything we want.

        There is no Constitutional guarantee against being offended. That is another governmental overstep to try to limit our free expression.

        If anyone is offended by these things, …well, TOO BAD. Get over it.

        NO MAN HAS THE RIGHT TO ASSUME AUTHORITY OVER ANOTHER.

        You sound more like a progressive liberal all the time. I’m beginning to think you used your claim to be conservative as a tactic to draw people in, and now you are coming out with these kinds of comments, which… I FIND OFFENSIVE.

        Do I have the right to tell you that you can’t speak? Think about it.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, I AM SADDENED YOU FEEL THAT WAY.

        I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND I AM A NEGRO REPUBLICAN. BECAUSE I AM FINANCIALLY COMFORTABLE, I SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

        I WAS RAISED IN A NEGRO MISSIONARY-BAPTIST CHURCH IN RURAL MISSISSIPPI. BECAUSE NEGRO PREACHERS CONSTANTLY SAID, “HOMOSEXUALS WILL BURN IN HELL,” I BECAME DISILLUSIONED WITH THE CHURCH. DURING MY EARLY-TEENAGE YEARS, I BEGAN QUESTIONING THE EXISTENCE OF DEITIES. AT EIGHTEEN, I BECAME ATHEIST.

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, NEGRO REPUBLICANS ARE DIFFERENT FROM CAUCASIAN REPUBLICANS. I HAVER NEVER CONSIDERED MYSELF TO BE CONSERVATIVE. AS A NEGRO, I CAN NOT SEPERATE MYSELF T-O-T-A-L-L-Y FROM THE NEGRO COMMUNITY – IT IS A PART OF ME. YES – I FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN I LOOK IN THE MIRROR, I BECOME SAD; I D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-E-L-Y WANT TO BE
        “W-H-I-T-E!!!!!” BUT, I MUST “PLAY THE CARDS I WAS DEALT.”

        I VOTED FOR Governor Gary Johnson BECAUSE I FELT HE SPOKE TO NEGROES LIKE, ME.

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, I HOPE YOU BELIEVE ME – IT HAS N-E-V-E-R BEEN MY GOAL TO “draw people in” ON THIS SITE.

        “Kate8″ – TO BE FRANK – YOU HURT MY FEELINGS. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS SITE WHO COULD HAVE MADE YOUR COMMENTS; I WOULD HAVE IGNORED THOSE PEOPLE.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – You know the saying, “the grass is always greener on the other side”.

        We are all dealt certain cards, we all carry our burdens. I’m sorry to hear that you are not happy being who you are. Believe me when I tell you that most people of ANY color are not happy being who they are…

        I am deeply saddened that life has left this impression on you.

        We must all find value in being who we are, and love ourselves. When we discover that place deep within where our soul meets the Divine, everything changes…we then understand Love in a way that goes beyond emotion…and we find wholeness. It is the peace which passeth understanding. We are then in acceptance, and when we cease our need to control life and other people, we find true peace with ourselves and with life. This transcends race, age, belief, status, or any other physical aspect of our lives.

        Look inside first, Christopher. Know that you are unique and have great value, and that you are exactly who you were meant to be. Being white does not make one happy. Love gives us peace and freedom, and these things are prized above all else. They are the Pearl of Great Price.

        Turn your greatest weaknesses into your greatest strengths. You are much more than you think.

        BTW, I have no affiliation with the Republican party. I see all politicians as treacherous weasels and self-serving turncoats.

        The most important thing to me is freedom. Always has been. Freedom for everyone. But we have to want it, because freedom is never free.

      • Vicki

        Kate8 writes:
        “There is no Constitutional guarantee against being offended. That is another governmental overstep to try to limit our free expression.”

        Not only is there no guarantee against being offended there is NO possible way for government to enforce it because the person TAKING offense has ALL THE POWER.

        Government can will and has used the excuse to circumvent the Constitutional guarantee of free speech and free expression.

      • Vicki

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON says:
        “I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THIS IS A LIBERTARIAN SITE. I COULD BE WRONG, BUT, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT LIBERTARIANS CONSIDER IT TO BE IMPORTANT TO LET RELIGIOUS REPUBLICANS KNOW THAT THEIR VALUES HAVE DESTROYED THE PARTY IN OUR CONTEMPORARY TIME.”

        Unfortunately you are in error on at least 2 points
        -This is a personal liberty site.
        -Libertarians are well aware that the GOP abandonment of limited government has destroyed the party.

        http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/16/gop-reaps-its-abandonment-of-limited-government

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vicki,”

        I DISAGREE.

        IN THE MINDS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC, REPUBLICANS ARE VIEWED AS “FUNDAMENTALIST RADICALS” WHO ARE OBSESSED WITH THEIR Bibles.

        INDEED, Brent Bozell AND HIS COALITION WERE ANGRY WITH THE PARTY BECAUSE THE COALITION FELT RELIGIOUS- AND FAMILY-ORIENTED VALUES WERE NOT UPHELD – ADEQUATELY – BY NATIONAL [AND, STATE] REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS.

      • Vicki

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON says:
        December 6, 2012 at 6:21 am

        “Vicki,”

        I DISAGREE.

        IN THE MINDS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC, REPUBLICANS ARE VIEWED AS “FUNDAMENTALIST RADICALS” WHO ARE OBSESSED WITH THEIR Bibles.”

        You are welcome to disagree but with what are you disagreeing? Libertarians are not the general public. The (amorphous) general public includes republicans, democrats, independents, liberals, conservatives and a bunch of others including libertarians.

        INDEED, Brent Bozell AND HIS COALITION WERE ANGRY WITH THE PARTY BECAUSE THE COALITION FELT RELIGIOUS- AND FAMILY-ORIENTED VALUES WERE NOT UPHELD – ADEQUATELY – BY NATIONAL [AND, STATE] REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS.

        I do not see your intended correlation between Brent Bozell (which one btw?) and the statements you made that I offered correction to/

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vicki,”

        MY POINT IS, YOU INITIALLY REPLIED TO ME BECAUSE YOU DISAGREED WITH MY ASSESSMENT THAT LIBERTARIANS WOULD CONSIDER SAYING, “Merry Christmas” [IN A PUBLIC FORUM] IS A REASON WHY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY “TURNS-THE-GENERAL-PUBLIC-OFF.” VOTERS IN 2012 BELIEVE RELIGION IS A PRIVATE MATTER AND NOT, FOR “PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.”

        UNTIL THE ARRIVAL OF MORE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATES AT THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL, THE LIBERTARIAN- AND REPUBLICAN PARTIES WILL ALWAYS BE LINKED FOR PRACTICAL REASONS. THEREFORE, LIBERTARIANS HAVE “A STAKE” IN THE STATE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

        “Vicki,” IN AN EARLIER RESPONSE TO ME YOU DISAGREED WITH MY DEFINITION OF, Personal Liberty Digest. “Vicki,” YOU SAID THIS IS A “personal liberty” SITE, NOT, A LIBERTARIAN SITE. “Vicki,” “personal liberty” IS THE “BOTTOM-LINE” FOR LIBERTARIANS. THUS, “Vicki,” YOU ARE PLAYING A GAME OF SEMANTICS.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vicki,”

        IN REFERENCE TO, Brent Bozell, I ONLY KNOW OF THE MALE – WITH GREYING-RED HAIR – SEEN ON C-SPAN.

  • jr drake

    There is soon coming a day when every person who ever lived will confess that Jesus is Lord and King of Kings. All these people who hide behind there misinterpretation of our Constitution, because they won’t stand up for God, and some even sorta admit they don’t agree with the interpretation, but they take the easy road and take a stand against God, will be just as guilty. You can argue with God and give Him your excuses……..All this anti-God talk is Bibilical and it will get worse, but Jesus is coming soon and HE will straighten everything out……Stand firm Christians and wait upon the Lord…….JR

    • larry ryan

      Always liked the (now old) bumper sticker that reads: Jesus is coming and wow is he pissed.

      • Hedgehog

        I always preferred the one that said;”You May Not Believe in GOD, But GOD Believes In You!”

      • ranger09

        larry, heres a better one. If God is coming,he must be riding a bicycle,for the Devil is here and he drives a MB

    • Charlie

      jr drake,,, while you are waiting on The Lord,,,We will be doing and / or trying to accomplish what King Jesus and His Men said to do in His Law Book… Meanwhile………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • http://Yahoo.com Cessna

    The pathetic Godless left seems to think that its ok for kids in school hallways & classrooms to use the Lords name in vain, but just let a kid try and use it in a poem & guess what!
    Those who use it in vain ought to be suspended, then what do you think the parents would say?

    • http://wildblue.net bungal

      I do not belong to any Liberal supporting or Communist supporting organization. I am a senior and therefore I do not belong to the AARP! They told me that supporting abortion on demand was a senior fight?

      I remember when I was in school we had spit wads and flying paper planes. Funny how the paper planes had some very good designs. Now we have guards in our schools, how wonderful! A few extra jobs. The Liberals do not accept they are supporting foolishness! If they seem to be wrong, in their mind, they still continue on the same path. I remember a way to tell if someone has a mental disease is that they keep supporting the same thing in the same way, and yet get the same results, expecting another!

      Is it not time we wake up and see what is happening? The next thing on the Liberal agenda is to give Communist China our jobs in the wind energy industry! Yes, it is going there! As I said before and will again, the reason Obama choose Hillary is our Second Amendment! The reason why some voted for Obama are 3! Ignorance of our American History and our Constitution, which would be some in our black community. Even actor Morgan Freedom was ignorant, not knowing why blacks did not have their rights years ago. It was a Liberal Supreme Court!!! We had to pass Amendments and have Presidential decrees to stop it! The second reason is Communist control. Obama’s supporters are Putin; Chavez; and Castro. We hear nothing much from China as our jobs go there to a Godless and freedom needing Government.. Our hearts go out to the Chinese people as we just saw the appointment of Government leaders that with no vote!

      I would of never met with Obama, if I were Romney. Obama did it to suggest he wanted some info to go forward! He already knows what is next and that is taking more of our rights as Americans! Hillary agreed to the UN idea that honorable non-felon citizens in the US should not have the right to protect themselves. But we can give guns to the Mexican Drug Pins and have an agent killed by the same guns in the drug cartel.. thanks to Obama!

    • Karolyn

      Please stop with the damn generalizations! You do realize that their are conservatives who don’t believe in God? Oh, my! And liberals who are Christians? Gasp!

    • LTCB

      Those that complain ENDORSE the existence of God because, if He does not exist, who cares? So, if I curse in the name of a god that does not exist, no one should complain. Equally, if I bless and praise the God that does exist, why do you care? It’s MY GOD right? You don’t believe so, move along. If God’s name did not have power, they would not be afraid of it. If His name did not have authority, they would not try to avoid it. The name of Jesus, alone, can change lives (and has).

      • Charlie

        LTCB,,, good point,,,so,, Meanwhile We will continue to………………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

  • http://www.facebook.com/eugene.sevene Eugene Sevene-THE PATRIOT

    Face it people our freedoms are gone and no one is going to do anything about the one man who is bent on taking them but complain. We will not talk Iran out of making an atomic bomb, and we will not talk Obama out of taking our freedoms.If talking is the only action we are willing to talk, we have already lost. In our schools we won’t let the minority rule.

    • http://yahoo bob peters

      Well???

    • http://wildblue.net bungal

      Ignorance is the peoples demise! The election of Obama had more to do with the Communist Party and the MOB than anything! Remember the lying Warren Report that did not allow FBI files? The CIA used the International MOB in getting information. Americans had no right to see the FBI files. Wire taps and videos, of even Oswald! Why did we not have access to these until the “Freedom of Information Act” gave us these facts? We can only conclude that Oswald was promised citizenship in Cuba if he carried out the directive. A wire tap between Detroit and Louisiana gave the following. “If you get the head, you get the tail!” It means, take out JFK and another will be appointed as Attorney General! Bobby had the MOB nailed in the South! The video released shows Oswald exercising with the MOB cronies!

      We have come a long way in the wrong direction. I was a member of local 659, the largest UAW local in the world. Behind the local was a MOB bar! It was owned by the Detroit MOB!
      Our worldwide MOB does not care who is in office as they will use corruption to get what they want. I am totally sure that the MOB influence in the Unions gave Obama the Presidency. Michigan voters gave all but 3 Counties to Romney and yet it went to Obama? Corruption, anyone?

    • Charlie

      Eugene,,,shut up!!! your mealy mouth mouse whining heathen talk,,, become a Christian per The Bible , Acts 2:38, then your eyes can see The Power and Plan of King Jesus Christ … Learn The Orders of King Jesus Christ and His Men as written in The Holy Bible and Pray for your rank to be revealed in The King’s Army , also Pray Matthew 6:9–13 to stay in tune with “The Power Vibrations”…Pray it at least once a day… Meanwhile…………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • Motov

    I blame the PC crowd for their incessant whining about “God”. What do they want? Would it please them if we started talking backwards?, Or praise Satan instead?
    They (Those PC people) need to pull their collective heads outta their butts, It is because of “Christian Principles” we have the Constitution. The Constitution promotes individual rights and responsibilities, just as Christ expects the same from each and every believer.

    • Michael J.

      Motov said,
      “I blame the PC crowd”
      As well you should, for it is Political Correctness that was designed as a weapon to destroy western society.

  • Brad L, Phoenix

    Mankind has learned that a cancer must be eliminated from the body or it will consume the body resulting in death. The anti-religious cancer that is readily apparent throughout our society addresses this point exactly. Either God is the cancer and must be eliminated or those that oppose God are the cancer. Just look around you, is the elimination of God and a moral standard for society to live up to the problem or is the other side of the equaion the answer. Your choice.

    • Karolyn

      There really can be balance.

      • http://wildblue.net bungal

        A balance? I hear this and wonder, is balance letting other tell us we are responsible for what someone else does? Our schools, which, because they are Liberal and gave us all the bad, including school shootings, refuse to address responsibility! When I was young and in school we had a “Mr. Nobody!” It was to show that what we do, accept we did it! If one supports the same in politics, does it matter? They simply look for others to take the blame, which means all of our society! We either have honor or we do not. We either pass the point of being a mental child and saying, “yes, it was I that did what I did!”

        I am not into what Obama’s ideas are. I do not think Americans who are innocent of an act should pay for pimps and their workers for abortions and this is going on! It is documented and on video!

        I have not been to any Doctor or Dentist in 6 years. Should I be forced to pay for others who kill themselves? I am a healthy 67 year old. Medically I pay nothing as I am healthy! Why should I pay for stupid is that stupid does?

      • Karolyn

        We are our brother’s keeper.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        No and No

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – And just what do you think gives you the right to decide you are another’s keeper?

        The last person I want to be kept by is YOU.

      • Charlie

        Karolyn,,,To know and obey the orders of King Jesus Christ , is to be “IN” balance ,,,BUT,,, to move against the Satanic forces one must be “Off” balance to swing the sword of truth… SO,,, don’t assume every one knows this balance thing you write of…
        BC will always overbalance PC in the long haul ,,so,, We have Mental ,Physical and Spiritual balance… All must harmonize and be in balance with The King’s Law Book….
        Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

  • MD

    That’s too bad. Those who preach tolerance and diversity are among the most intolerant I’ve ever met. The athiest who wants to be able to say he doesn’t believe there is a God seems unwilling to allow someone else to say they do.

  • http://N/A Charles Inglett

    “Congress shall make no law… to prohibit the free excercise” of religon but nine men in robes backed by lawyers in the ACLU can make the excercise of your rights unlawfull. Free excercise doesn’t mean you have to stuff what you believe in a bottle and cork it until you are safely in the church. It means you have the right to excercise ( ” something performed or practiced in order to develope, improve or display a specific power or skill.”) Kill the ability to excercise and the skill will atrophy.

  • steve

    where’s the NAACP when you need them? all of this political correctness is caused by lovers of satan. we live in a world control by satan yet know one really know’s this or cares. read 1john 5;19. once you come to grips with who is in control then everything else will make sense.

    • moonbeam

      The NAACP ain’t worth a damn. They only come to your aid when you join them and pay money to belong to their organization. Try it. Go to them with a problem and the first thing they want to know is if you are a member. Been there done that.

      • Karolyn

        Oh, really? You know you’re talking about the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, right?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “moonbeam” – YOU ARE ON POINT!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Karolyn” – MA’AM, I THOUGHT YOU KNEW – BY, NOW – MANY NEGROES DO NOT RESPECT NAACP.

    • steve

      your right k. i just thought with obama being the big bro they might help the child out. and since obama was a black pres will his white side take over four the next 4 yrs

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “steve” – EVEN IF, HIS “white side” TOOK OVER I WILL NEVER LIKE [OR, TRUST] THE KENYAN. THE FACT THAT BIRACIAL PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO “FLIP-FLOP,” ALWAYS MAKES THEM, “SUSPECT AND TREASONOUS”

    • ranger09

      Steve, Makes sense. Look around as to what is happening in the world, all you see is the Devil at work, and as for God i sure wish he would get here soon.

    • Charlie

      steve,,,1 John 5:19 speaks of the “Jurisdictions” on planet earth ,,,jurisdiction means the Authority of Law /law ,one claims to be under … Notice , verse 18 speaks of the “Jurisdiction” of King Jesus Christ… Verse 19 speaks of the jurisdiction of the evil one…
      Now,the word “jurisdiction” is only used once in the entire Bible because the word jurisdiction has a Primary meaning and a secondary meaning…The primary meaning is “Authority of Law” ,,,the secondary meaning is Venue or geographical location …
      Negroes should learn the Authority of Law issue real well , because most whites and others cannot tell you what their jurisdiction is,,,almost every time they will tell you their Venue… The split meaning of jurisdiction is a court room trick that is used on the ignorant everyday in American Court Rooms that have evil Judges…
      King Jesus tells you what “Jurisdiction” to get into at Matthew 6:9–13, and many other places ………… Meanwhile…………..
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • DavidL

    Bob,

    What did the girl mean when she wrote “He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength”? This statement, as you have presented it, is ambiguous. Was she quoting her grandfather who told her that while fighting in Vietnam he very often sought help from God? If so, the school is wrong and her constitutional right to free speech has been violated. If you know, what is its full context?

    • Vigilant

      There is no real ambiguity at all. “He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength” is a declarative statement in the third person. It is describing someone else’s action.

      Is “George Washington prayed to God” an endorsement of Christianity? No, it is a declarative statement in the third person.

      Even if the girl said, “I prayed to God” in the first person, it is a declarative statement about something she historically did. It is a far cry from saying “everyone should pray to God.”

      These school officials, at least one of whom is a PhD, don’t even have a rudimentary understanding of the English language.

      • DavidL

        It may be clear to you, but it certainly is not clear to me. I would like to read her entire poem. Let us not assume that Bob has given us a correct excerpt. If this is a first grade student the poem can’t be very long. Give us the whole thing.

        • Ann

          You are absolutely right. Without having the context of the poem, this entire conversation is no different than radical left discussions when they argue with arguments they want to argue instead of real ones.

      • Vigilant

        “At a McDowell County Board of Education meeting last week, employee Chris Greene said, “We had one parent concerned with the use of the word God in this program. This parent did not want the word God mentioned anywhere in the program. When the demand from this person was heard, the rights of another stopped. It did so by hushing the voice of a six-year-old girl.”

        http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html

        There you have it. The mere MENTION of the word “God” was the motivation of the (no doubt) atheist who protested, context be damned.

      • Vigilant

        AND, as I posted above, according to the school officials’ own cockeyed interpretation, even the public reading of the North Carolina Constitution would be disallowed.

      • moonbeam

        Vigilant – I guess this parent who objected to God being mentioned didn’t get the memo of what happened to that lovely person, Madelain O’Hare, who had the bible taken out of the schools. Not sure they found all the pieces.

  • ob Rice

    Horton,you are an Ass Hole like those so called teachers and school board members…keep youir athesist feelings to yourself…

    • Rick N

      Yeah Horton, what makes you think you can share your opinions? I mean really, do you think you have some kind of right to free speech or something? Where do you think you are anyway — America? This post is about the good people’s first amendment rights, so you shut the heck up about your beliefs. Geez….

  • dan

    ….and yet they can’t get the notion of “shall not be abridged’.
    You can’t have UNALIENABLE RIGHTS without a god to grant them…and THE God
    (Creator of the Universe grantor of those rights to His creation)
    demands first that we have no other gods before HIM….
    deny Him and reap the consequences.
    Just refer to them as little accidents of the universe and treat accordingly.

  • Sgt. York

    my question is are the schools in NC government run or are they state and local run? If state and local how in heck do feel they ave to separate religion from government. This im afraid is just another ploy to get God out of all things and bet your last dollar O’Vomit and his commie party are behind it. Another move toward Communism and a dictator ship.

    • Vigilant

      Schools are generally run by state governments, as per the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. Unconstitutional federal encroachment has been going on in this area since Brown v. Board of Education in the 1950s.

      These idiot school officials should take a page from the very state constitution under which they operate:

      PREAMBLE:

      “We, the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for the preservation of the American Union and the existence of our civil, political and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those blessings to us and our posterity, do, for the more certain security thereof and for the better government of this State, ordain and establish this Constitution.”

      • Vigilant

        BTW, according to the school officials’ own cockeyed views, the public reading of the North Carolina Constitution would be disallowed.

      • ranger09

        WE THE PEOPLE. DAMN WONDER WHAT THAT MEANS.

  • Ann

    Bob,
    As DavidL already stated, the phrase taken out of context doesn’t tell much about the situation. Also, your article doesn’t tell whose parent objected to the poem and what religious belief this person had. Many public schools in America violate first amendment by obvious establishment of atheism as a dominate religious belief.
    Unfortunately, your article doesn’t have enough information to conclude that in this specific case the student’s right to free speech has been indeed violated and there were no indication of the Christian missionary in the poem.

  • Paul Kleiser

    That girls right to free speach trumps ones right not to be affended. Oh, by the way, since is it a right not to be affended???

    • 45caliber

      Paul:

      The government decided there was a right to not be offended (by religion) when they realized it would give them the ability to restrict religion in defiance of the 1st Amendment.

    • Vigilant

      Paul, you are 100% correct. No Constitutional provision was ever intended to encroach upon or conflict with another, for obvious reasons. The provisions within the First Amendment do NOT conflict with one another.

      In over two centuries of our Constitutional Republic, it has been made clear, sometimes painfully so, that the point of the First Amendment is to protect the rude, the profane, the blasphemous, even the crude and obscene, and that individual or even community standards are powerless, for the most part, to assail this speech in courts of law.

      Were it not guaranteed, we would have the right to take pundits of the left and the right off our TV screens because we are “offended” by their speech. If we can prevent a little girl from reciting a poem, we can just as easily censor Bill Maher or Pat Robertson from the airwaves. Universities would have to stop issuing invitations to controversial speakers of any political/religious persuasion. O’Reilly and Rachel Maddow would both have to go. Etc., etc., etc.

      The girl has the right to read her poem, and the misanthrope has the option to be offended, but that’s as far as it goes.

    • Vicki

      Paul. ANYONE has the right to not be offended. They also have ALL THE POWER to not be offended.

      Some of them use the power of government to force us to do as they will using the excuse that they are offended even though it is THEY who have all the power to NOT be offended.

  • Karolyn

    “God” is not specific to religion but is a universal word for some type of all encompassing intelligence. I heard about this case the same day, since I live near Charlotte. It’s another ridiculous edict by overly cautious administration and a bad call by a parent who takes herself and her views too seriously.

    • steve

      you talk about god but never use his name. yehweh , english jehovah. how come?

      • Karolyn

        What’s in a name? It is only a word conferred onto a concept by man.

      • steve

        so why do you go by karolyn. why not go by moron?

      • Karolyn

        Nobody is their name. It is just another label to differentiate us from one another.

    • Charlie

      Karolyn,,,
      What does The Bible say about becoming a “follower” of King Jesus Christ???
      What does Matthew 6:9–13 say??? is the term “Father”,male or female???
      When you find your way out of Heathenville ,,,read a few history books… The Bible, is a History Book…. What does Public Law 97-280 say?… Meanwhile………………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

      • Deerinwater

        So ???? Explain to us how “a parent” might have known about objectionable content if the child was not permitted to recite her work?

      • ranger09

        WELL ONE THING IS FOR SURE THE BIBLES WERE WRITTEN BY MEN SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY ARE FICTIONAL WRITINGS, OTHERS BELIEVE THEY ARE TRUE ACCOUNTS. BUT EITHER WAY ALL WRITERS WANT A BEST SELLER. all we see today is the bad, we see very little good.

  • don

    The Garden is full of weeds, it’s time to weed the garden

    • ranger09

      Don, no problem, Just ring the bell, because we have plenty of sheep out there.

  • brett

    “when the virginia bill for establishing religious freedom was finally passed, a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “jesus christ” so that it read ” a departure from the plan of jesus christ, the holy author of our religion.” the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the jew and the gentile, the christian and the mahometan, the hindoo and infidel of every denomination.” -thomas jefferson: autobiography, 1821.
    the 1st amendment was modeled on this bill. mantel of protection implies both the freedom of and from religion, even for non- believers.

    “no religious reading, instruction or exercise, shall be prescribed or practiced inconsistent of any religious sect or denomination.” -thomas jefferson: elementary school act, 1817.
    bit if a slippery slope here, but definitely covers prayer, and under god, in public schools.

    i do not have access to my library nor do i feel like taking the time to look it up, but if you refer to the library of congress and request the minutes from the meeting drafting the constitution, you will learn for yourself why god is deliberately left out of the document.

  • alice cole

    This little girl was not “bringing religion into the school”, she was reading her essay. She was not holding a religious ceremony, only presenting her requested assignment. Freedom of speech allows one to speak of God, Buddha, Satan or the Wizard of Oz. There is a big difference in reading an essay and teaching religion, which is what the Separation of Religion and State refers to. This parent took it way too far, and the school board needs to recognize the difference.

  • 45caliber

    There is NO “seperation of church and state” in the Constitution. The 1st Amendment simply states that the government cannot exercise control of any religion. “Seperation of church and state” originated when a church in NE stated about 1900 that the government couldn’t interfere with their worship – and the government adopted the statement. It certainly does NOT give the government the right to forbid any religion, including Christianity, from referencing God or even stopping them from preaching on street corners. It does NOT give the government the right to forbid Christmas nativity scenes, etc. either. The government likes to stress “seperation of church and state” as an excuse to restrict religion when the amendment was meant to restrict government.

    • steve

      you know where this is all going to end. the shutting down of all religion.

      • Vicki

        Not all religion. Just the government disapproved ones.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The world council of churches has been setting down what they require for the religion of the world which is inclusive of all the religions of the world.

      • Vicki

        Since some religions are mutually incompatible that should be a fine trick pony.

      • Kate8

        The Bible says that, when one accepts the mark of the beast, he must declare his loyalty to the Universal Religion and to the Beast.

        Since it is either that or face beheading, most will opt for the former.

        Interestingly, total submission to their god or face beheading is part of Islamic law.

      • Charlie

        kate8,,,you female Bible gooofies ought to harmonize Scripture ……Meanwhile……………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    • Vigilant

      45 cal,

      The doctrine first appeared a hundred years earlier in Jefferson’s writings:

      “To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

      Gentlemen

      “The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

      “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from prescribing even those occasional performances of devotion, practiced indeed by the Executive of another nation as the legal head of its church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

      “I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association assurances of my high respect & esteem.”

      (signed) Thomas Jefferson
      Jan.1.1802.

      • 45caliber

        But he was still talking about the wall being there to prevent the government from interfering in whatever the person believed – not in forcing the religions to silence.

      • Vigilant

        Agreed.

      • TML

        45 says, “But he was still talking about the wall being there to prevent the government from interfering in whatever the person believed – not in forcing the religions to silence.”

        True, it is meant to prevent the government from interfering in a person practicing whatever religion they choose, but it also is meant to prevent laws being created based on religious doctrine or belief. That is a clear definition of a “separation of church and state”.

        Anyone who construes the meaning to suppress religious speech in school (or any other public property) in any way contradicts the 1st Amendment. It doesn’t matter if the little girl was talking about the Christian God or Allah, or any other god, goddess, etc.

      • Vicki

        TML writes:
        “but it also is meant to prevent laws being created based on religious doctrine or belief.”

        Why is a law against murder not based on religious doctrine or belief?

        Why is a law against theft not based on religious doctrine or belief?

      • TML

        Because these are acts which directly injure others physically and/or financially, and by so doing, violates the equal rights of others.

      • Vicki

        And they are based on religious doctrine so now what?

      • TML

        And they are based on religious doctrine so now what?

        You asked me my take and I gave it; which is not based on religious doctrine or belief…. Make of it what you will.

      • Kate8

        TML – Laws against harm and murder are not universal.

        Muslims are allowed to deceive, steal maim and even commit murder by their religion. There are other religions who practice great harm and killing, including human sacrifice and the sacrifice of children.

        Laws against these things come from the OT. In fact, our founders patterned our system from the system laid out in the Torah. This is true, no matter what today’s liberal establishment tries to declare.

        So now what?

      • TML

        Vicki says, “Muslims are allowed to deceive,”

        So are many others…it’s not necessarily a crime to lie. The police do it plenty.

        Vicki says, “steal maim and even commit murder by their religion.”

        … are you ready for me to point out where the Judeo-Christian faith “allows” the same?

        Vicki says, “There are other religions who practice great harm and killing, including human sacrifice and the sacrifice of children.”

        There were… can you point them out today?

        Vicki says, “Laws against these things come from the OT.”

        Are you ready to hear the opposite? I’m trying very hard to be respectfully subtle.

        Vicki says, “In fact, our founders patterned our system from the system laid out in the Torah. This is true, no matter what today’s liberal establishment tries to declare.”

        Interesting that even John Adams proclaimed the Treaty of Tripoli valid, which states; “the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”

        What do you make of this?

      • TML

        “Laws against harm and murder are not universal.”

        Exactly… although they ought to be… and it doesn’t require a belief in god. Why should the origin matter if you agree with my conclusion?

      • Vicki

        Though I might agree with the statements, you have attributed to me quite a few that were said by Kate8.

      • TML

        Vivki says, “…you have attributed to me quite a few that were said by Kate8.”

        Sorry bout that… it was getting late, hah.

      • Vicki

        :)

  • Dexter

    So atheism now is a religion??????? Mere mention of GOD IS NOT ENDORSING religion. It seems that atheism and atheists are the ones trying to ENDORSE and or wanting to be recognized by the nation as a religion, so on having NOT TO mention GOD is ENDORSING atheism which is a violation of their own concept of ideology. “SECULARLY”, FREEDOM OF SPEECH here was DENIED in this particular case…a clear violation of the Constitution. This is how very LOW-VALUE and mediocre this society has come about and is really very far from what their forefathers ideals, dreams, aspirations and or goals that they had tried to found and or establish. This is why the blessings that has been given to this country is now being taken away. WAKE UP SODOM and GOMORRAH! “If my people who are called by my name WILL HUMBLE themselves and PRAY and TURN FROM their WICKED ways, THEN I WILL HEAR from Heaven, FORGIVE their sins and HEAL their land!…”.

    • 45caliber

      Dexter:

      According to the government it is. Many government forms that ask about your religion include atheism as a religion.

      Actually it depends upon the atheist. Many atheists believe there is no god and therefore don’t care what you believe or say about it. At most if you discuss it too long, they will simply walk away. The vocal atheists are the religious ones – they want to force you to adopt their religion instead of the one you believe in.

      • Ann

        The problem is that according to the American government atheism is not a religious. This is a main reason why secular organizations which supposedly have to welcome equally all religious believes, including atheists, tend to enforce atheism instead.
        People have rights to believe in GOD, many gods, Buddha etc, or to believe that there is nothing but natural world. The First Amendment ensure these rights. The inability of majority of Americans to recognize atheism as a religious belief helps to create situations where these rights are violated.

      • steve

        maybe they should go door to door like the jehovah’s witness and campaign for there beliefs

    • Rick N

      Atheism is essentially the same as religion, as both are faith-based. Faith is defined as a belief not based on proof. Atheists can no more prove that a god DOESN’T exist, than deists can prove that a god DOES exist. All faiths should strive to be accepting of other faiths. By censoring this little girl, one faith was allowed to trump another.

      • steve

        according to the bible faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for , the evident demonstration of realities though not behold . heb 11;1

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The athiests who post here may have to change their monikers.

    • TML

      Atheism is not a religion, people. It is secularism… a lack of belief in a god or gods, lack of faith in a god or gods, and not regarded as religious, spiritual, or sacred. Indeed those atheists which say there is no god have poor application of logic, since the existence of a god is essentially improvable by definition, and place the burden of proof upon themselves by making such a dumb statement, but that doesn’t translate to faith or belief. It is said directly from a lack of faith and belief.

      • Rick N

        So believing that there is no god is not a belief…??? Weird….

      • TML

        Atheism is the opposite of theism… it’s a negative, not a positive. You never hear an atheist say “I believe there is no god”. It’s said, “I do NOT believe in god”. One could no more believe there is no god, any more than they could believe there is no invisible pink unicorn.

      • Rick N

        Actually, I have heard many atheists say they believe there is no god. Apparently, you have too — read your post above. “…those atheists which say there is no god…”

      • TML

        And as I continued in that post above; a claim like that is merely a poor application of logic derived from a lack of belief. What makes your argument null, is in trying to label others for your own purpose, rather than allowing them to label themselves if they so choose. Atheism has no doctrine that all adhere to. They don’t congregate in spiritual reverence or worship collectively in any way, nor observe “holy” days. Atheism is not a religion in any sense of the word.

      • Kate8

        TML – I beg to differ. Any system of belief could be said to be a religion, even secularism.

        Atheism is an ism. Ism means belief.

        And the fact is, that even athiests have their own gods. Anything which one believes has power over them, or which they revere, is a god. Anything one believes he is dependent on is a god. Money, possessions, the government, the banks…

        In fact, I’d say that the majority of people do see money as their god and the source of all things… the very definition of a god.

      • TML

        I’ve made the same arguments a long time ago saying that religion could be regarded as merely any point of view, but ultimately you would find as I did that spinning it like that effectively defines the word with such a broad brush that the word essentially becomes meaningless.

        sec•u•lar
        1. of or pertaining to worldly things or to things that are not regarded as religious, spiritual, or sacred.
        2. not pertaining to or connected with religion
        3. concerned with nonreligious subjects.
        4. not belonging to a religious order; not bound by monastic vows

        a•the•ist
        A person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

        I don’t see how this can honestly be equated to “belief”.

        I do find it interesting however, why someone would even care to label atheists as a religion, or say they “believe” in something when they themselves reject the idea.

    • Karolyn

      Please don’t put all atheists into the same box. It’s like anything else; you can’t generalize. It comes down to individualsl and the degree of their idiocy.

      • Kate8

        But Karolyn…You seem to think it’s okay to put Christians all in the same box.

  • Gary

    Talk about how to destroy a child’s creativity in one easy lesson! This is not Jeremiah Write thumping on a lectern with his God Damn America religion. It was just a child’s recollections of her grandfather. Forget about getting religion out of the schools – get the crackpots and government out of the schools.

    • steve

      that will happen when parents finally decide to attend the board of ed meetins and stand up for what right for their children. nobody is watching the hen house except progressives

  • Paul Andreotti

    It is amazing that this knucklehead has a doctorate. He is just another reason for the deterioration of our country. He is obviously stupid, but there is a lot of that in these public schools. I guess it is ok to being drugs guns condoms must I go on to school. I will contact this boob directly. Pray for America judgment is here and he has given us a Godless leader Obama who is clueless as much as dr. Martin.

  • noel

    Typical, todays schooling is more of an idoctrination than education!!!

  • Steve in St. Louis

    So just close the school.
    Publicize the issue, tell what the school did, and put it on the ballot.
    As an alternative, demand to the school board the administrator be fired.
    The school district could also be sued for violation of civil rights, and the student have tuition paid to attend a private school or pay for private tutors.

  • Rick N

    I don’t even believe in god, and I think this is asinine. What a spineless school district! This little girl has the right to say whatever she wants in her poem. The true meaning of FREEDOM is tolerance of others’ beliefs without persecution, even if those beliefs are in direct conflict with your own. That’s what makes this country so great! And that’s what so many foolish, small-minded people (on BOTH sides of the socio-political spectrum) lose track of. There can be no truly FREE society without generous application of tolerance.

    • Karolyn

      Amen! Too many people just take themselves too damn seriously. They just love to push.

    • 45caliber

      Rick:

      There are only two ways to have freedom. You can keep it all yourself and allow none to others (dictatorship) or you give everyone the freedom you want for yourself. Too many people want the first kind.

      • Karolyn

        I agree.

      • Rick N

        Agreed. Too many people cannot even comprehend the second one.

  • Artemus

    Please people, when reading the Constitution also consult a dictionary. It will make every thing clear and easier to understand. Unless, of course you’re a liberal who desires to distort the truth by misinterpreting everything. Usually caused by never cracking a book open or being weak and mindless and influenced by the crap that you’re taught everywhere, from kindergarten to college. Please think for yourselves.

    Using as source, Webster’s New World Dictionary of the American Language “complete reference edition”:

    From The Bill of Rights:

    PREAMBLE

    The conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.

    Re-read (in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers), also refer back to Article II Section 1.

    Article I
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    establishment: (and why we as a nation declared our independence from England.) 3. in England, a complex consisting of the church, the royal family, and the plutocracy, regarded as holding the chief measure of power and influence.

    And please don’t forget this provision: (or, prohibiting the free exercise thereof): means “freedom to observe, practice, or worship, anytime, anywhere and prohibiting this is a violation of MY rights!

    Nor this: (or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press).

    abridge: 3. to lessen or curtail (rights, authority, etc.) 4. to deprive (of rights, privileges, etc.)

    i.e. the control or limitations that one entity exerts upon another. Self explanatory except maybe to the press, liberals, and the uneducated ignorant sheep, who seek to limit and control the rights of the people. Think about it. Sorry! Think is a term liberals don’t know or understand.

    Once again, referenced with, Webster’s New World Dictionary of the American Language “complete reference edition”:

    ~Note, not ‘complete liberal edition’.

    Please read “1984″ by George Orwell.

  • 45caliber

    Message to Bob Livingstone:

    Would it be possible to provide a link on your home site to the main articles from the day before? I always like to take a look at the comments the day after to see what people say after I shut down my computer.

    • Vicki

      Not sure about all articles but there is a very useful tab along the top labeled “conservative politics”. In there is a chronological list. It probably has most of the articles you would be likely to post too.

      Also at the bottom is a group of all categories so as long as you know the category of interest you can find the articles.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “45caliber,”

      SIR, WHENEVER YOU MAKE A COMMENT, THERE IS A “CHECKBOX” IN THE BOTTOM-LEFT WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO SUBSCRIBE TO FUTURE COMMENTS IN THAT THREAD.

  • http://Yahoo Niki

    Most of these comments are right on the mark. Maybe it is time to stand for something and stop these politicians {elected by the people} to have limited terms in office and get go after the communist ACLU {look it up-who started the ACLU} and the haters of America including the EPA wanting us to live like they think we should. Fight for OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS AND THE CONSTITUTION of AMERICA. Why have so many people fought for this country and died for it. “FREEDOM”. We need to STOP being so agreeable with their agenda and STAND UP. Boycott the News Media that changes the words of people and adds their own agenda to their spin.

  • roger

    “As a principal of a public school, I must put aside my personal religious beliefs and follow the law, which upholds that we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but that we, as public schools, cannot endorse one single religion over another.”

    another idiot weighs in. I didn’t see anything in the little girl’s writing that expressed a “particular” GOD. Baptist GOD, Jewish GOD, Lutheran GOD, Presbyterian GOD etc…………..
    GOD is GOD, period.

    • Old Henry

      And roger, God and His law come before man’s law. Today we can readily see the results of 1963 (’62?) in our public schools.

      It is far past time that Christians get in their faces and aggitate to no end. We must teach our children the art of civil disobedience in all things governmental.

    • Charlie

      roger,,,
      Since you are having a problem in the ID of the Big “G” God and the small “g” gods….
      Might be a good idea to study The Bible as a World History Book… Just say you’re doing what Public Law 97-280 says to do… Meanwhile ………….
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • RichE

    I wonder if God wants to be placed on a throne.

    • Old Henry

      He is on His throne in Heaven.

      • RichE

        I don’t think God wants to be places on a throne.

      • Vicki

        Since God occupies all space and every time the concept of “sitting” on a throne has no meaning.

      • ranger09

        amazing how churches can build churches worth Millions and Millions of Dollars and all in the name of God, or there gods, While millions of people around the world are hungry and no place to live.BUT these leaders sure live top drawer.

        • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

          That is true, but remember that in all places that garner power – be it religion or governments – it is the power itself that attracts the people to the top places. They do not care whois injured or who they step on to get there. They have no conscience.

          It is the people who are the problem, not the religions. The people who need to lead will not do what it takes to get to that position as they do have consciences. The problem is getting those people to NOT support the sociopaths.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Who is higher than God to place him on the throne?

      • RichE

        Nadzieja,
        Wouldn’t, “He who is least is greatest” negate your statement?

  • Old Henry

    The best way to describe those “administrators” would be educated idiots.

  • freedomringsforall

    How insane for these marxist, commie, fascists to drag a little girl into the middle of their insanity.
    They have no respect of Gods creation, and the development, and husbanding of it from the womb until death and beyond and yet they are the ones that want to arbiter that all.

    This country, and so many of this countries once respected institutions, are being influenced and/or run by Fabians, Marxist, commie, fascist, dictatorial, morons.
    I am sure that there are many who would call me a moron for lumping those philosophies together but I in return would infer they ought to look in the mirror and then think about what all those philosophies have wrought on the earth and when all is said and done in history they have all wrought exactly the same in the end; slaughter, famine, and despair.

    We need to get these commie, fascist, Islamic terrorist coddling bunch of scum out of power in these United States.

    Then we need to work our tails off to get all of our freedoms and rights restored.

    We are the only hope left for this planet and for all those down trodden and less fortunate to look to as their hope for true freedom and all that it brings.

    We must stay united and take the hope, the light, and the right of freedom to every last corner and dark alley and to every last soul in this world.

  • Polly

    Shouldn’t if be freedom OF religion and not freedom FROM religion.

    • 45caliber

      That’s what it’s SUPPOSED to be … but the atheists want it the other way so they can push their private agenda.

      • Karolyn

        There you go again generalizing. Not all atheists are anti-God. So sick of all these labels. There are saints, good, not so good, bad and very bad people in all factions of society. Not one trait can identify a whole group of people.

      • Charlie

        Karolyn,,,
        Yep,,,you are in that big group called “”"Sinners”"”and still don’t know how or why to get out ! after being told ,in print by Me at least 50 or more times… OK again,,.Meanwhile…
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

      • Vicki

        Karolyn says:
        “There you go again generalizing. Not all atheists are anti-God. ”

        I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

        Definition of ATHEIST
        : one who believes that there is no deity
        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist?show=0&t=1354788223

  • TML

    “Courts have consistently held up the rights for students to express themselves unless their speech is disruptive to the school,” said Ken Paulson, president and CEO of the First Amendment Center in Washington, D.C. “When the little girl wrote the poem and included a reference to God she had every right to do that. The First Amendment protects all Americans. She had every right to mention God, (but) that dynamic changed when they asked her to read it at an assembly. When a public school knows there’s going to be a reference to religion then there is a problem and they have to address it. The reason for these restrictions is to prevent the government from endorsing a specific faith or religion. So public schools have to steer clear of religious references.”

    It’s amazing that a CEO of the First Amendment Center can be so ignorant to assume that such a poem being read at an assembly changes any kind of dynamic in which to justify the suppression of free speech regarding religion. The 1st Amendment only refers to prohibiting the creation of laws that endorse or respect a religion or faith. It does not even constitute “endorsement” of that faith by allowing a blatantly religious poem or speech to be read at an assembly.

  • Kevin Wickham

    If only these administrative types would “err on the side of caution” when it came to free speech or illegal searches or anything else I would be happy.

  • Tom….Infantry Co., Vietnam

    Evil is as evil does my friends. Obama is only the latest in a long line of evil minded individuals intent on creating a third world nation of serfs ruled by the self-proclaimed elite. Our Constitution and the Bill of Rights have been their targets and now it is commonplace for the denial of a child’s right to honor God and grandfather in the same writing. Barrack will not defend Christianity, but does not miss an opportunity to state that we are no longer a Christian Nation. (Heaven help the person who openly speaks ill of Islam.)

  • DTConcerned

    The amendment to the constitution states that the government shall not not make any laws or rules that infringe on the individuals right tp practice their religion as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others to practice their religion. The school is part of the government there for can not legally make rules infringing on that right. Someone saying God in school does not infringe on someone else’ right not to believe in God, but forbidding the use of the word God in school does infringe on the rights to practice. It is the freedom of religion, not the freedom to forbid religion.

    • 45caliber

      DT:

      You are a little off on your comments about what the 1st Amendment is. You said: “The amendment to the constitution states that the government shall not not make any laws or rules that infringe on the individuals right tp practice their religion as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others to practice their religion.”

      What it does say is: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

      It ONLY bans Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion. NOTHING is said about stopping individuals from infringing on the rights of others. That is the definition that the atheists like to use to justify their meddling – but it does not exist.

    • Charlie

      Read Public Law 97-280………..

  • Mixture V ranks

    TML, Vigilant and others who have expressed similar thoughts here are quite correct. The Founding Fathers would be shocked, if they saw these petty bureaucrats running around concerning themselves over remote, nebulous and unprovable hypothetical psychological responses over the mere mention of God the Father.

    Thomas Jefferson in his later years around 1820 had correspondence with a man and commented on the issue. Jefferson’s whole point was that the Founders intended the US Congress to keep its hands off any Christian denomination, since it was the intention of the Founders to permit the free exercise of religious observances altogether. Therefore, Jefferson told his correspondent in this exchange that they, the Founders, had tried to establish a barrier there, as he put it a wall to separate the Church from the State, so that the government could not set up a State religion as was, then, the practice in Europe and still is in some countries. There was no more to it than that.

    It is an interesting, though disturbing, commentary upon contemporary authorities that such fear has descended upon them in these kinds of situations. They have allowed a degree of paranoia to set in which, of course, is gladly fueled by such outfits as the ACLU and others of like kind. Backbone is needed by those authorities and in some cases the courts as well.

    • Vigilant

      The complete text of Jefferson’s 1802 letter is posted above.

      • Charlie

        Read Public Law 97-280………….

      • Vicki

        Sorry Charlie. Non binding resolution is NOT law

        “Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the President is authorized and requested to designate 1983 as a national “Year of the Bible” in recognition of both the formative influence the Bible has been for our Nation, and our national need to study and apply the teachings of the Holy Scriptures. ”

        Note the key words “authorized” and “requested”

      • Charlie

        Vicki,,,
        According to Black’s Law Dictionary ,,,”Prescriptive Rights” means what ??? Edicts of a President ,that are more that 20 years old , from a President that openly declares to be a Christian ,,, is backed up by King Jesus Christ,,, Watch and see IF Public Law 97-280 ever comes off the books… Man’s law MUST harmonize with God’s ,,, OR,,, it ain’t law………
        Meanwhile…………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

  • PM

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but the pleadeg out doesn’t the pledge of allegiance contain the word “God”? Does this mean that everywhere people here the pledge, they may feel infringed upon? The school personnel were irresponsible in the way they handled this matter. They did in fact infringe upon the young poet’s right to express herself. She was not asking anyone to adhere to any religious platitude. She was telling a story. Are there not better things for which to fight? Are there not better ways to spend an educator’s time, and a parent’s, for that matter?

    • Charlie

      Read, Public Law 97-280……………..

      • Vicki

        Boring Charlie. Try a different tune.

    • http://theconservativecrawfish.wordpress.com reelman1946

      But the arrogant apostles of utopian secular socialism (their own religion/the dimdems)…have no use for common sense, they are control-based…they rot any nation.

      I retired from 35 years in the classroom…last 27 in community college…so don’t tell me education is not infected by control freak “utopians”…Zero Tolerance Laws are foolish…if anything, they should be Near Zero Tolerance…but, you see, no one is trusted at the “point of decision” (on the spot)…never, its some admin or higher…and w/o common sense…what does education teach children? That “one size fits all” works in the real world? Then you have zealots teaching “whale love” instead of WW2 and the pilgrims.

      Religion/morals/family must be trashed if the utopian socialist goals are to be reached…
      shame and respect for traditions/adults must be replaced with a robot-like bowing down to a monster gov-meant.

      Lefty lawyers run education…why not let lawyers do surgery and build your house too?

      As Hitler said (paraphrasing)..give us your children and your guns….

  • PM

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the pledge of allegiance contain the word “God”? Does this mean that everywhere people hear the pledge, they may feel infringed upon? The school personnel were irresponsible in the way they handled this matter. They did in fact infringe upon the young poet’s right to express herself. She was not asking anyone to adhere to any religious platitude. She was telling a story. Are there not better things for which to fight? Are there not better ways to spend an educator’s time, and a parent’s, for that matter?

    • mhtrc55

      Amen (pun intended).

  • Michael

    And you wonder why America is the way it is. Nikita Kruschev exact words were ” we don’t have to destroy America with missles; America will destroy itself from within”. That was said back in 1961. We are doing a fine job.

    • ranger09

      MIKE, I BELIEVE IT WAS SPOKEN IN 1967, LONG BEACH CA. THIS WAS NOT A VERY RELEASED QUOTE IN THE NEWS, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE PERSON THAT QUOTED IT. THIS WAS SAID TO A BUNCH OF AMERICAN POLITICIANS AND OUR MOST STUPID GENERALS OF OUR MILITARYS. SHORT SIDE OF THE STORY WAS HE GOT UPSET ABOUT THE WAY A GENERAL MADE COMMIT ABOUT HOW STRONG OUR MILITARY WAS TO MAINTAIN OUR FREEDOM. THIS PERSON REPLIED GEN YOU ARE STUPID, THE ONLY THING THAT KEEPS YOUR COUNTRY FREE IS ITS PEOPLE,BECAUSE EVERY HOUSE IS A FORT. NOT YOUR MILITARY. AND THE ONLY WAY YOUR COUNTRY WILL BE DEFEATED IS FROM WITHIN.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Training Students to Rethink God’s Word

    “In 2005, an interfaith group released a new textbook aimed at teaching public high school students about the Bible while avoiding legal and religious disputes. The nonprofit Bible Literacy Project of Fairfax, Va., spent five years and $2 million developing The Bible and Its Influence.” Boston/AP

    “Do you think Adam and Eve received a fair deal as described in Genesis?… Eve did not know good from evil, how could God blame them for disobeying?” -The Bible and Its Influence.

    “From the Book of Daniel, then, come images that are associated with the so-called ‘end times’…. Try your hand at doing some apocalyptic writing.” -The Bible and Its Influence

    Virtually banned from American schools in the early sixties, the Bible has faced a rising onslaught of wrath, ridicule, and legal assaults. Its most vocal antagonists include the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and People for the American Way (PAW). So why would these and other public opponents suddenly turn and approve a textbook titled, The Bible and Its Influence? Why such enthusiastic support for a revolutionary curriculum published by the Bible Literacy Project?

    The answer may lie in the word revolutionary. This new curriculum fits into a set of social and political changes likely to affect every American family. Joseph Farah, summarized it well in his exposure (9-3-01), of a “political movement” embraced by key leaders in the Bible Literacy Project.

    What is Communitarianism?

    http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/bible-literacy.htm

  • Mixture V ranks

    “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”

    “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.”

    “There was something about her that made me wary, a little too sure of herself, maybe and white.”

    “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”

    “I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself: the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

    “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

    Except for the last quote which is from “The Audacity of Hope”, the other quotes above are from “Dreams of My Father”, both books by Barach Hussein Obama.

    Tom…..Infantry Co. has it 100%. Evil is as evil does. Has anyone wondered how Obama could quote passages from the Qoran in what linguists described as flawless Arabic in his speech in Egypt? Obama considers himself to be a “coil of rage” and his words AND actions in the White House seem to lend considerable credence to his self-description. Is there still question about this? The American electorate is going to have to stand up and be counted on for action to protect our freedoms or the American electorate will wind up merely being counted.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Oh oh, Mixture, now you’ve done it. Prepare for the onslaught!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “WTS/JAY,”

        THERE WILL BE NO ONSLAUGHT. SINCE THE KENYAN HAS WON, HIS OPPOSERS ARE NOW VIEWED AS, “CRACKPOTS.” ONLINE PUBLICATION OF THE VIDEO, “Dreams From My Father,” WAS A HUGE MISTAKE.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        What exactly has he won?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “WTS/JAY,”

        THE KENYAN HAS WON WHAT LIBERALS CONSIDER A CORNERSTONE IN AMERICA’S DEBATE ON RACE.

        SINCE SLAVERY, NEGROES BELIEVE A-L-L CAUCASIANS HATE NEGROES. BUT, SINCE THE KENYAN HAD TO HAVE CAUCASIAN-DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT IN ORDER TO BECOME A TWO-TERM, “whatever,” HE HAS PROVEN THIS BELIEF TO BE WRONG – NOT, ALL CAUCASIANS HATE NEGROES. HENCE, ANY AMERICAN WHO HATES THE KENYAN IS CONSIDERED A, “CRACKPOT.”

    • Karolyn

      Yeah, use the words of a child against him as a man.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        You wrote: “Yeah, use the words of a child against him as a man.”

        He was NOT a child when he wrote that – and he was NOT a child when he spoke in Egypt. So your comment is basically only an empty complaint.

      • Karolyn

        Reiterating the remarks about how he thought when he was a child is just that. Obviously, his childhood was fraught with a lot of confusion and not easily handled life situations. He did not have the rosy mom and pop American life. We cannot begin to understand his feelings, but I can respect his questioning and trying to find his place in the world just like anybody else.

      • Charlie

        Did you read Public Law 97-280 yet???

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Thanks 45caliber.

  • Herbe

    The political correctness of the excision of a Christian God from the assembly fails to place the excision in the totality of the circumstances, where under the Obama Administration, Islam must be encouraged and Christianity reviled. Not true? Uh remember the ‘condemnation in the strongest possible terms’ by President Obama of a threat to burn a book because the content of that book was Islamic–all while President Obama maintained a requirement that all trash–specifically including Bibles–in warzones must be destroyed by burning (and then vowing to Karzai and then actually tracking down and prosecuting US troops who dared to include Korans with the required Bible burning)
    What would President Obama say about a Koran displayed in urine in the National Gallery alongside the infamous (NEA funded) “Piss Christ” exhibit?

  • Herbe

    And to place the “strongest possible condemnation” in perspective, President Obama notoriously on the murders of the four US Embassy employees in Libya “strongly denounced” their murders, reserving especially “the strongest possible condemnation” for offense to Islamic values. Apparently in his overwhelming fixation on Islam, as with his vow to the General Assembly of The United Nations on 9/25/12 that “The future must not belong to those who defame the prophet (sic) of Islam.” (Full text available at Whitehouse.org)

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Now that everyone has frothed at the mouth for a while, could we look at the “constitutionality” behind the issue? Bob’s article states:

    “A parent objected to the use of the word ‘God’.”

    Checking out the link Bob provided in the article leads to the following quote from the local newspaper.

    “The McDowell News contacted the First Amendment Center in Washington, D.C., which serves as a forum for the study and exploration of free-expression issues, including freedom of speech, of the press and of religion, and the rights to assemble and to petition the government.

    “After studying the situation, President and Chief Executive Officer Ken Paulson stated the school did in fact have the right to remove the word God from the child’s poem.

    “Courts have consistently held up the rights for students to express themselves unless their speech is disruptive to the school,” stated Paulson. “When the little girl wrote the poem and included a reference to God she had every right to do that. The First Amendment protects all Americans. She had every right to mention God, (but) that dynamic changed when they asked her to read it at an assembly.”

    Paulson stated that because students were a captive audience, which means they didn’t have another place to go if they didn’t want to attend the assembly, that administrators had the right to remove the word God.

    “Courts have found that religious references at school-sponsored events generally run afoul of the First Amendment,” said Paulson, adding that if kids had randomly been asked what they thought of veterans, the little girl could have shared her poem, because it wasn’t planned. “When a public school knows there’s going to be a reference to religion then there is a problem and they have to address it. The reason for these restrictions is to prevent the government from endorsing a specific faith or religion. So public schools have to steer clear of religious references.”

    Could it be that the “parent” who objected was an Atheist, and therefore the mention of “God” was against her “religion”? Could it therefore be true that the school system was actually doing a FINE job of protecting everyone’s First Amendment “rights:”

    Looks that way to me. As a former school administrator, I have been in similar situations involving the use of certain novels in literature classes that led into the swamps of “blasphemy”, “book banning”, “indoctrination”, “racism”, and more, depending on the book in question.

    And, I feel quite sure that the “parent” in question was someone who was very familiar to the school officials—-that this was NOT the first time that she had gotten on their case about “God” in the schools. I had one parent who told me at a conference in which she was demanding special consideration for her child—-”My husband makes a pile of money and I hire help to do my cooking, cleaning, washing, and gardening. So, I have plenty of time to worry you folks to death if I don’t get my way”. She was exactly correct in her assessment that she had that capability, and we usually gave her what she wanted if it was at all possible to do so within the “rules”. I doubt these “school officials” would ever have given one minute’s thought to what the little girl wrote if the “parent” hadn’t brought it up. She did, they did it right, good for them, end of story.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      PS Some advice to Bob Livingston, who began the article with this statement as the very first sentence:

      “Educators in a North Carolina school district and a (SO-CALLED) 1st Amendment “expert” have problems with comprehension.”

      A not-so-subtle propagandist starts out this way in order to get his audience “thinking his way” from the get-go. A more clever one would have perhaps woven the thought throughout his narrative, inserting it subtly in several places and most certainly would not have made such bald-faced incorrect assertions in the last few sentences.

      Although, considering the audience and the need to hit some between the eyes to stir them up, I guess Bob is once again showing us that he is worth every penny he pays himself. Way to go, Bob!

      Speaking about SO-CALLED EXPERTS, the “expert” in question was the president of the First Amendment Center, which is described below:

      “The First Amendment Center supports the First Amendment and builds understanding of its core freedoms through education, information and entertainment.

      The center serves as a forum for the study and exploration of free-expression issues, including freedom of speech, of the press and of religion, and the rights to assemble and to petition the government.

      Founded by John Seigenthaler, the First Amendment Center is an operating program of the Freedom Forum and is associated with the Newseum and the Diversity Institute. The center has offices in the John Seigenthaler Center at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tenn., and at the Newseum in Washington, D.C.

      The center’s programs, including the Religious Freedom Education Project at the Newseum, provide education and information to the public and groups including First Amendment scholars and experts, educators, government policy makers, legal experts and students. The center is nonpartisan and does not lobby, litigate or provide legal advice.

      The center’s website, http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org, is one of the most authoritative sources of news, information and commentary in the nation on First Amendment issues. It features daily updates on news about First Amendment-related developments, as well as detailed reports about U.S. Supreme Court cases involving the First Amendment, and commentary, analysis and special reports on free expression, press freedom and religious-liberty issues”.

      DOESN’T SOUND “SO-CALLED” TO ME, BUT WHAT DO I KNOW?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Right Brain Thinker,’

        OF COURSE, I AM NOT Bob Livingston’s DEFENDER. BUT, YOUR CRITICISM OF HIM IS UNFAIR AND HAS NO BEARING ON THE PURPOSE OF THIS SITE.

        YES – Personal Liberty Digest PRESENTS A VARIETY OF ARTICLES WHICH APPEAL TO A VARIETY OF PEOPLE. BUT, THESE ARTICLES WILL ALWAYS BE PRESENTED IN A MANNER WHICH ILLUSTRATES HOW A LIBERTARIAN AND/OR CONSERVATIVE WOULD REACT TO AN EVENT.

        THE PURPOSE OF THIS ARTICLE IS TO HIGHLIGHT ADULTS’ DESIRE FOR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS THEIR RELIGIOUS VALUES IN PUBLIC – REGARDLESS, OF HOW EXTERNAL FORCES [LIKE SCHOOL BOARDS] FEEL ABOUT THE SITUATION. CONSERVATIVES WOULD SAY – BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE CHILD – THE CHURCH/STATE-ISSUE WITHIN The Constitution SHOULD BE WAIVED [i. e., IGNORED].

        “Right Brain Thinker,” I NOTICED LIBERALS ON THIS SITE OFTEN MAKE THE COMPLAINT YOU MADE. BUT, LIBERAL VIEWS ARE NOT THIS SITE’S FOCUS.

        Bob Livingston’s ARTICLE IS WELL-WRITTEN AND REACHES ITS “TARGET” AUDIENCE.

    • Karolyn

      Atheism is NOT a religion.

      • Vigilant

        The day that atheists can empirically prove that God doesn’t exist, they will cease to be a religion. At the moment, they can’t prove it. They are stating a belief, not a settled issue.

        Atheism is as much of a religion as any theistic system of faith.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Sorry, Karolyn, but a LACK of belief in God is the same thing as BELIEVING in God. It’s a “religion” in the same sense as Buddhism, Islam, or some tribe worshipping the plants and animals in some remote jungle. A value system and beliefs to live by, that’s all.

      • Karolyn

        re·li·gion (r-ljn)
        n.
        1.
        a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
        b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
        2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
        3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
        4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
        Idiom:
        get religion Informal
        1. To become religious or devout.
        2. To resolve to end one’s immoral behavior.

      • Deerinwater

        Hmmm? ~ well if you can accept that there “IS NO SUCH THING” as an empty glass I suppose you could be correct Vigilant. ~ as an empty glass is full of air. While religion suggest the practice of worship, so could we have an example of an atheist worshiping?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Atheism and Theism may best be defined as “world-views”.

        What is a world-view? The overall perspective from which one sees and interprets the world. Or, A collection of beliefs about life and the universe held by an individual or a group. At this point, both, qualify as being “world-views”!

        Are Atheism and Theism both, religions? That would depend on your definition of religion.

        Secular definition/interpretation of religion: Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

        Christian definition/interpretation of religion: The revelation of God is the abolition of religion. It is always the sign of definite misunderstanding when an attempt is made to systematically coordinate revelation and religion…to fix their mutual relationship.

        In opposition to all ‘religionism’ the proclamation of the grace of God is introduced as the truth…”

        Religion is unbelief. It is a concern of…godless man.”

        Religion is clearly seen to be a human attempt to anticipate what God in His revelation wills to do and does do. It is the attempted replacement of the divine work by a human manufacture.”

        It is a feeble but defiant, an arrogant but hopeless, attempt to create something which
        man could do. In religion man bolts and bars himself against revelation by providing a substitute, by taking away in advance the very thing which has to be given by God. It is never the truth. It is a complete fiction, which has not only little but no relation to God.”9

        What is the purpose of the universal attempt of religions but to anticipate God, to foist a human product into the place of His word, to make our own images of the One who is known only where He gives Himself to be known.”

        The revelation of God denies that any religion is true. No religion can stand before the grace of God as true religion.”

        It would appear then, that Atheism and Theism are both, religions, as both hold a perspective and offer a interpretation of the world/reality.

        Are Theism and Christianity synonyms? No, as one, Theism, offers a wold-view,(a perspective and a interpretation of reality) and the other, true-Christianity, reflects and proclaims God’s revelation.

        It appears the only one that should not be considered as being a religion, is true-Christianity.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Deer: as an empty glass is full of air.

        I prefer, “space/vacuum” rather than air; and what you decide to fill it with, is entirely your choice!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Deer: While religion suggest the practice of worship, so could we have an example of an atheist worshiping?

        The atheist worships himself!

      • Ann

        Atheism is not a religion in common definition of religion because it doesn’t have (yet) formal attributes of religion. But, atheism is a religious belief. God is a religious concept, there is no scientific definition of God and no evidence of God’s existence or non-existence proved by scientific experiment. Since nobody can prove that God either exists or doesn’t exist people can only believe or disbelieve. It makes atheism a religious belief.

      • Vigilant

        Deer says, “While religion suggests the practice of worship, so could we have an example of an atheist worshiping?”

        While your conception of religion “suggests” worship, one does not necessarily follow the other. No rituals, sacraments or formal worship is attendant in Deism, for example.

        All that is sufficient to describe a religion is in Karolyn’s own furnished words: “A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.” Atheism most assuredly conforms with that (admittedly broad) definition, as well as faith in the unproven.

      • Vicki

        Karolyn disproves her assertion (atheism is not a religion) by writing:
        “re·li·gion (r-ljn)
        n.

        4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.”

        Yep. Got a match. Atheism is religious.

        Checking the definition of Atheism we find that it means:
        : one who believes that there is no deity

        Belief is one of the key attributes of religion.

    • Vigilant

      With all due respect, an application of Paulson’s egregiously wrong interpretation would lead to a banning of the public reading of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the State of North Carolina (and almost every other state), the Gettysburg Address, the thousands of inscriptions on federal and state buildings and institutions (including the Supreme Court), writings of the Founders, and on and on. Are you saying that most of the documents of the nation’s history are taboo in public schools?

      You say, “Could it be that the ‘parent’ who objected was an Atheist, and therefore the mention of “God” was against her ‘religion’?”

      Mere mention of the Deity, ubiquitous in American life as it always has been, has never been proscribed by law. Mentioning Allah, Mohammed, Christ, or whomever, in a neutral. favorable, sacrilegious, blasphemous or satirical light is NOT illegal, nor has it ever been.

      The provisions within the First Amendment, as with ALL Constitutional articles and sections, were designed to be mutually exclusive on their individual merits, because to introduce uncertainty or conflict in application of law would have defeated the very purpose of that estimable document.

      The school was wrong, period. The girl has a perfect right to exercise her freedom of speech, and the school prohibited her from doing it. She wasn’t yelling “fire” in a crowded theater.

      There is NO right in US law to be sequestered from all things which might raise offense to someone’s delicate sensibilities.

      When I as a kid, we were taught that “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.” The thin-skinned, bitter contrarians who claim some special immunity from offensive comments would do well to remember that.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Vigilant,

        You’re getting all worked up here—not good for old guys like us and doesn’t help your brain function all that well if it becomes “overheated”.

        With all due respect, you are overreaching more than a bit when you take a bizarre little case about a first-grader’s poem and suggest that it “would lead to a banning of the public reading of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the State of North Carolina (and almost every other state), the Gettysburg Address, the thousands of inscriptions on federal and state buildings and institutions (including the Supreme Court), writings of the Founders, and on and on”. I didn’t say that, Bob didn’t say that….how did you make that leap of logic?

        You ask, “Are you saying that most of the documents of the nation’s history are taboo in public schools?” Nope, never did say that and Bob’s article didn’t either. Nor should we take “In God We Trust” off the money, either.

        You say, “Could it be that the ‘parent’ who objected was an Atheist, and therefore the mention of “God” was against her ‘religion’?” Exactly, think about that again.

        And you are again overreaching with “Mere mention of the Deity…. is NOT illegal, nor has it ever been. The provisions within the First Amendment…. were designed to be mutually exclusive…..because to introduce uncertainty or conflict in application of law would have defeated the very purpose of that estimable document”.
        I would suggest that is not quite true—-we have had a lot of court cases about the First Amendment and other parts of the Constitution, as well as many other laws—-the courts exist to define the application of law, yes? This whole incident is about interpretation and on the spot decisions, not about “legality”. If someone wants to, they can take it to court and ask for a decision that may reduce “uncertainty or conflict in application” in the future—that’s the way the system works.

        “The school was wrong, period”. The school did what it felt it must do, and, as the article points out, that was different from what surrounding schools did. So be it. I suggested some things to consider before passing judgment too quickly. You should not pass judgment as quickly and FIRMLY as you did. Period.

        “The girl has a perfect right to exercise her freedom of speech, and the school prohibited her from doing it. She wasn’t yelling “fire” in a crowded theater. There is NO right in US law to be sequestered from all things which might raise offense to someone’s delicate sensibilities”. More overreaching rhetoric and overheated “speechifying”.

        “When I was a kid, we were taught that “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.” And this is relevant how? How does it tie onto the next…..? I don’t recall any name-calling here.

        “The thin-skinned, bitter contrarians who claim some special immunity from offensive comments would do well to remember that”.
        Remember what? And I fail to see where you came up with “thin-skinned, bitter contrarians who claim some special immunity”—-did you really mean to say “people whose rights I would like to deny because they don’t hold the same values I do”?

      • Vigilant

        RBT, I don’t believe there’s any “leap of logic” at all; on the contrary, the path to my conclusions are straight line and uncomplicated.

        This is clearly a case of freedom of speech, and the issue of religious conscience is merely peripheral.

        As quoted earlier, ““At a McDowell County Board of Education meeting last week, employee Chris Greene said, “We had one parent concerned with the use of the word God in this program. This parent did not want the word God mentioned anywhere in the program.”

        And if, during an assembly in that same school, some child had memorized the Gettysburg Address for recital, that one parent’s “concern” would have prevented it from happening because the word “God” was used by Lincoln in the text.

        Would those same school officials have condemned the recital because Lincoln “endorse[d] one single religion over another” by simply mentioning God? Probably.

        Or perhaps, classroom displays on parent-teacher night include a science project on evolution. What would be the reaction of school authorities if a fundamentalist Christian parent was offended by the display?

        Kate8 said above, and worth quoting, “When did we lose the right to free expression. To limit speech in any way opens the door to even greater limits.” And to quote my earlier comment, “The Constitution was not written to assuage the touch-feely self-esteem sensitivities of the populace. It was written to establish a form of government and place limits on the central authority while guaranteeing individual freedoms. NO WHERE does it abridge freedom of speech…”

        In short, the girl’s freedom of speech very much trumps the imagined “right” of a single naysayer to curtail it. We’re not talking about the Pledge of Allegiance, we’re not talking about school prayer, in which some legitimate legal controversy exists, we’re talking about the inviolable right of a person to simply mention God in a poem in which absolutely no enjoinder, endorsement or even suggestion is made that a particular religion is superior to another.

        When we accede to the precedent and petty tyranny of a person dictating that a single word, ANY word, be censored from a work of art or public demonstration, then we have indeed forfeited any claim that we respect the Constitution or the founding principles of this nation.

        While I am not a Christian, I nonetheless cringe when I see a crucifix inverted in a beaker of urine, or a portrait of the Virgin Mary smeared with elephant dung. The courts have upheld the rights of the “artists” who created such offal in the name of art. But I begrudgingly acquiesce in this because any censorship of this “art” would go against the grain of freedom of expression.

        And a little girl can’t even mention the word “God” in a work of art without risking the humiliation of seeing her classmates proudly display their work while she sits on the sidelines? No sir, that’s not fair, it sends the wrong message and it probably violates the free speech clause of the North Carolina Constitution. The right to be shielded from the very subjective notion of offense is to be found nowhere in the case law of the USA, as far as I know.

        The parent who protested should have been told he/she needn’t attend the ceremonies, or needn’t stay in the auditorium when the “offensive” poem was read, but that a grave injustice would be visited upon the little girl if she was deprived of her freedom of speech. Moreover, if the parent had reservations and remained unsatisfied, he/she was perfectly within their right to pursue the matter through the judicial system.

        In other words, ensuring the serenity or avoiding the ruffling of feathers of a sole person may be a consideration, but that consideration pales in comparison to the outright harm done to our freedoms by buckling to such a selfish demand.

        You last words: “And I fail to see where you came up with “thin-skinned, bitter contrarians who claim some special immunity”—-did you really mean to say “people whose rights I would like to deny because they don’t hold the same values I do”?”

        Precisely. The parent sought and succeeded in doing just that. The parent’s rights were not abridged. The girl’s right was trampled upon.

      • Vigilant

        RBT says, “When I was a kid, we were taught that “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.” And this is relevant how? How does it tie onto the next…..? I don’t recall any name-calling here.”

        It is very relevant. The offended parent was concerned about the mention of God, the moral equivalent of name-calling in his or her mind. He/she was taking offense to a word and a word only.

        “But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

        -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

    • Charlie

      Engage left brain and read Public Law 97-280………….

      • Right Brain Thinker

        OK, Charlie. Public Law 97-280 is a law asking the President to declare a “Year of the Bible”, which he did. We have such resolutions for all kinds of things—like The Year of the Turnip maybe? In your mind, what is the particular relevance of PL 97-280 to the present discussion?

      • Vicki

        Yawn

      • Charlie

        RBT,,,Vicki.,..,
        Maybe you two can get a whole brain function going AND figure out ,King Jesus is God and created Ron Reagan and turnips and whatever,,,AND,,,Blessings and Rights ,and Power from The King’s Law Book ,,,MUST,,,be exercised with “Faith”and claimed and proclaimed under The Name and Blood of King Jesus Christ ,,,OR,,,One will NEVER have them……….. Meanwhile…………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

    • ranger09

      WELL WE SURE KNOW THE KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE, aND WHERE I COME FROM WE SURE WOULD NOT REFER TO YOU AS A MAN BUT WE SURE KNOW YOU PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO KISS THE RICH BUTTS. SURE GLAD MY KIDS DID NOT GO TO YOUR SCHOOL. NOT RICH BUT I SURE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN YOUR FACE. 200 PLUS YEARS WITH SCHOOLS AND WE HAVE NEVER HAD THE PROBLEMS WE NOW HAVE. RIGHT and WRONG HAS SURE GONE OUT THE WINDOW. jUST LOOK AT THE RESULTS PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED WITH OUR CHILDREN IN THE PAST 25 YEARS.aT HOME WE TRY AND TEACH Most of Us, RIGHT AND WRONG,RESPECT,HONOR,AND TO BE PROUD. wHEN THEY GO TO SCHOOL,WHEN THEY READ AND WATCH THE GARBAGE SHOWS AND NEWS ON TV, EVERYTHING RIGHT FROM WRONG. BECOMES WRONG WRONG WRONG. WHAT THEY LEARN IS DRUGS, SEX, DONT WORK, DONT NEED RESPECT FOR PEOPLE AND WHATS THEIRS,LEARN THAT LIES ARE BETTER THEN TRUTH, THEY LEARN THIS FROM POLITICIANS. I AM SURE PEOPLE COULD THINK OF SOME THINGS I LEFT OUT.

  • http://rog rog@woh.rr.com

    WHAT RELIGION ARE THEY PUSHING? IT IS FREEDOM OF RELIGION, NOT FROM RELIGION.
    IT IS O.K. FOR ALL THE FILTH IN THE WORLD TO GO ON AT SCHOOL, AND OTHER PLACES, I THINK THAT THE BAR IS SET, THAT IF IT IS WRONG, DISHONIST, OR CORRUPT IT IS O.K. THAT GOES FOR ALL OUR GOVERMENT. STATE AND FED. AND STARTES AT THE WHITE HOUSE.

  • Bren

    The Amendment reads:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Their argument is that they didn’t want to break constitutional law. The misunderstanding of the progressive view of church and state has been pushed so long that it has become the common belief. People no longer look to the document or the intent of the founders but this lazy society just believes what some idiot says. What they have actually done is break the law according to the constitution by not allowing the little girl to read the poem. The amendment doesn’t allow for a preference of one belief over another and by denying the poem on the basis of the word God that offended one person they gave preference to the latter belief system. This also is a violation of the same amendment and the constitution by the abridging of freedom of speech. So actually by bowing to the one, completely intolerant, person they were in violation of constitutional law and therefore broke the law anyway.
    In response to a person who talked about mentioning God making a child feel inferior; I really get tired of the idea of someone saying God is going to make someone else feel inferior if they don’t believe in that person’s religion. Almost every religion, Christian or not, has a deity or God. So the reference to God should not be offensive, as God is an all-inclusive reference. And if you’re talking about Christian reference to God think of how many different Christian sects there are. Would a Baptist feel inferior if it were a Methodist saying God? I really doubt it. So if a Christian says God it should not offend anyone who worships another religions idea of God. When you say God you include any and all beliefs in a God. This is about someone who doesn’t want to believe in God at all and that’s fine, it’s their right to choose that. But they have to accept the rights of others to express their beliefs and ideas about God. I have to ask though; if it were someone of a non-Christian religion that referenced God or Deity would this have been an issue? Christianity has been under attack for many years. Where is the offense to religions of Asia or the Middle East, or any other practice that has a deity? They have Gods but no one seems to have a problem with them. I have a cousin who is Wiccan she has a deity, I bet not a word would have been said by the person who caused the problem if she referenced her Deity. The term “Mother Earth” comes from deity worship but we don’t freak when someone say that? Get a grip people, if you are offended by one religion you have to be offended by all. The reference was God not Christ, so who’s to say she was a Christian anyway. God is a broad term not just Jewish or Christian but it seems those are the only ones who shouldn’t be allowed to speak it.
    This is not about a child feeling inferior if a poem is read and God is mentioned. This is about the adult people who don’t want to believe and their intolerance to people who do. True followers of Christ do not try to make others feel inferior; we just love them for the good that is in them and appreciate them for the good works they do. Not to say that all Christians are like this but remember I said true followers, meaning those who understand that Christ accepted and loved all even those how hurt him. Some Christians are still learning who Christ is. The intolerant Christian is no different that the intolerant non-believer. So it is my belief this has more to do with adults than it does children. We are making kids more fragile emotionally than they are by nature normally. You can’t teach a child to deal with differences by trying to make everyone the same. We are not the same and we need to learn to accept our differences and delight in those things we have in common.
    I just don’t understand how so many educated people can be so dumb.
    P.S. Steve E. Children often believe what their parents believe until they get old enough to choose for themselves so to judge a child is like that is not following the example of Christ. Also, saying they are inferior is no different that the belief the Muslim’s have of anyone who’s not Muslim. We are inferior and no better than an animal. So are you Muslim? Because you don’t sound like a follower of Christ.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Bren says, “This is about someone who doesn’t want to believe in God at all and that’s fine, it’s their right to choose that. But they have to accept the rights of others to express their beliefs and ideas about God”.

      I would suggest that a correct interpretation of the First Amendment says that they in fact DO NOT have to “accept” the “rights” of others to express their beliefs about God. That the First Amendment offers them protection from having to LISTEN to such beliefs, just as it protects those who want to EXPRESS such beliefs

      In this case, the rights of a minority were protected, which seems to be a pretty “American” value, if you ask me. It is certainly not correct to say that “….the rights of that girl were trampled in the name of political correctness by ignorant school administrators”. In defense of school administrators (almost none of whom are “ignorant”), I can say without fear of contradiction that, as a group, they are far more aware of constitutional rights (and protective of them) than the great majority of the citizenry.

      • Kate8

        RBT – It’s a huge mistake to look to the “experts” to interpret laws and rights. They always have their own bias and agendas.

        The 1st Amendment is clear on its face. There is no need to further interpret. “Congress shall make NO LAW regarding the establishment of religion NOR THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF…”

        This means NO LAW. HANDS OFF.

        It DOES NOT state that anyone has the right not to hear it, or not to be offended. Free exercise trumps one’s personal opinion about another’s free exercise. That person has an equal right to declare things as he sees them, as well.

        I am greatly offended by the kinds of assertions coming from the liberal set, alluding to the opinion that the right to free speech does not exist, or that you have the right to deny it.

        You have the right to state what you think, but I have the right to assert my right to speak nonetheless, whether you like it or not, just as do you.

        This way, we all win, have stated our opinions, and our rights are in tact.

      • Vicki

        And since their right to NOT be offended is TOTALLY in THEIR CONTROL they should step up to the plate as it were and be NOT offended.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Kate,

        I’m not quite sure what you’re saying in some of this, but I don’t think we are necessarily in major disagreement. The Constitution “lives” through the laws that are written to implement what it states, and court decisions regarding those laws expand and/or clarify (or nullify) those laws.

        You say, “The 1st Amendment is clear on its face. There is no need to further interpret. “Congress shall make NO LAW regarding the establishment of religion NOR THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF…” This means NO LAW. HANDS OFF”
        That’s overstated—-why have we had so many court cases if that’s true?.

        You say, “RBT – It’s a huge mistake to look to the “experts” to interpret laws and rights. They always have their own bias and agendas.”
        Experts are ALWAYS biased? Sounds like you have a bias against experts—or maybe only against those that don’t agree with you? LOL I myself would rather hear from an “expert”, biased or not, than from some of the fools that post on PLD. One can then play the “dueling experts” game until the truth becomes clear.

        You say, “It DOES NOT state that anyone has the right not to hear it, or not to be offended. Free exercise trumps one’s personal opinion about another’s free exercise”.
        You flip a pancake and it’s still a pancake. Many of the court cases have been brought on exactly that premise—-that someone’s “right not to” should trump someone’s “right to”—just as others have been about the “right to” trumping the “right not to”. Put syrup and butter on it and dig in.

        You say, “That person has an equal right to declare things as he sees them, as well. I am greatly offended by the kinds of assertions coming from the liberal set, alluding to the opinion that the right to free speech does not exist, or that you have the right to deny it”.
        You lose me more than a bit when you talk about being “greatly offended” by “the kinds of assertions” that “allude” to “opinions”, particularly when you somehow make it sound like liberals are “dirtier” than conservatives. Assert–allude–opinions–denial? That’s hard for even an RBT to digest.

        You closed with, “You have the right to state what you think, but I have the right to assert my right to speak nonetheless, whether you like it or not, just as do you. This way, we all win, have stated our opinions, and our rights are intact”.
        I agree with you, but some of the things you “asserted” and “alluded” to in your “opinions” don’t quite line up with that. (But that doesn’t offend me at all, never mind “greatly”—I believe in the First Amendment)

      • Vigilant

        RBT says, “The Constitution “lives” through the laws that are written to implement what it states, and court decisions regarding those laws expand and/or clarify (or nullify) those laws.“

        Ay, there’s the rub. And I believe we’ve hit upon the major source of disagreement. The idea that the Constitution is a “living” document has two very different meanings depending upon your perspective.

        The Constitution lives in the sense that it contains the mechanism for its own amendment over time, ostensibly in view of society’s raised awareness and enlightenment regarding social and political issues.

        It does not “live” in the sense that officials of the judiciary have any right to create law based on social fads, norms, or the “raised consciousness” of any particular individual or group of individuals in society or in the the court system.

        Nor does it “live” in the sense that international protocols and laws trump the letter and intent of the Constitution.

        A number of court decisions have been shown to be flatly unconstitutional. Tortuous and complicated sophistry has been used to rationalize court decisions that purport to advance social ends without regard for the often specific provisions of the Law of the Land.

        And, to take issue with you on one word of your comment, “expansion” of law is no more within the purview of the SCOTUS as is writing new law.

        Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005) is perhaps the best example of a recent case in which the very Constitution itself was turned on its head. The activist “living document” majority completely rewrote the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment to “expand” the meaning of “public use” to allow a municipality to take private land solely for selling it to a private developer to increase the city’s tax base.

        Justice Thomas’ dissenting remarks are impeccably correct: “Something has gone seriously awry with this Court’s interpretation of the Constitution. Though citizens are safe from the government in their homes, the homes themselves are not.”

        And later, “Allowing the government to take property solely for public purposes is bad enough, but extending the concept of public purpose to encompass any economically beneficial goal guarantees that these losses will fall disproportionately on poor communities. Those communities are not only systematically less likely to put their lands to the highest and best social use, but are also the least politically powerful.”

        The liberal activist justices on the court dispelled forever any notion that crony capitalism is the sole domain of the Conservatives.

    • Charlie

      Read Public Law 97-280,,.then apply Acts 2:38………

      • Vicki

        Oh good. Something new. Was getting bored.

        Acts 2:38

        King James Version (KJV)

        38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.curcio.92 Michael Curcio

    Nice lesson for a first grader to learn. That our constitution is a complete lie. She has no freedom of speech, nor freedom of religion. Not to mention that adults are not to be trusted. They tell her she can read a poem, and then renege on it.
    Imagine how traumatic it is to find that you are at the mercy of people who absolutely cannot be trusted!

    • Right Brain Thinker

      I would be willing to bet that some caring teacher or counselor or school administrator took the time to explain to that little girl (in terms she could understand at her age) exactly what had happened. That the “adults” were getting into one of those arguments that “adults” get into and that it wasn’t her fault. That she was a good person and had written a good poem and that it was going to be pinned up on the bulletin board for all to see. If that were my school, that would have happened—-and I don’t think I’m unique among school administrators—-that’s exactly how it would be done by the vast majority of educators. (Back in the old days, a hug would have been appropriate too—-not so much any more, unless it’s “same sex”). You can “trust” educators to do the right thing 99.999% of the time.

      I would also be willing to bet that the first-grader then forgot about it and went back to being a little girl while the “adults” continued the fight. Michael should get off his high horse and think about the fact that FIRST GRADERS are not taught about the constitution and freedom of religion, never mind very much about “trusting adults” beyond how to protect themselves from “bad” people.

      I myself do not like to be at the mercy of people who absolutely cannot be trusted to look at issues without bias. Although it’s certainly not “traumatic”, I guess that coming onto this site and reading comments like Michael’s is something we all must endure if we want to seek rational discussions.

      • DougDeGrave

        “…the fact that FIRST GRADERS are not taught about the constitution and freedom of religion…”
        I didn’t think the constitution was being taught to students in any grade these days.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        DougDeGrave says: “…the fact that FIRST GRADERS are not taught about the constitution and freedom of religion…” I didn’t think the constitution was being taught to students in any grade these days.

        I’ve been retired for nearly 20 years now, Doug, so I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure things haven’t gotten that bad. Although, now that I think about it, anything is possible.

        After all, in some backward states, they think that creationism should be taught in SCIENCE classes, so anything is possible.

    • Charlie

      Correct point,,,the Government is not operating per ,or under “The Constitution”…. The Government is not operating per , or under “The Bible… So? just what “”Law”"is USA Inc. operating under??? Would you believe??? “Corporation” edicts coming from The Federal Reserve Bank Inc…………………… Meanwhile…………….
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • Steve E

    Karolyn, you are not Christian, You live off the government dole stealing from others. Why don’t you stone them then and give Tim L a break.

    • Karolyn

      God bless you too Steve.

      • eddie47d

        How large is your rock collection Steve?

      • Charlie

        Read Public Law 97-280,,. then define your “God” term……………….

      • Karolyn

        Charlie – I wish you would post this “law” so we knew what you were talking about instead of being so cryptic

      • Charlie

        Karolyn,,,
        Now ! We have uncovered one of your problems ,,,you are like Me,,,a computer illiterate …
        Hint! are you ready??? just type in ,Public Law 97-280 in search and guess what comes on the crt???

  • dcjdavis

    All children are victims of the twisted system. This child just happened to park right under the poop bucket. Poor kid. Poor parents who have to try and explain.

  • Deerinwater

    So ???? Explain to us how “a parent” might have known about objectionable content if the child was not permitted to recite her work?

    Many years ago, in a Galaxy far, far away, ~ I went to my children’s school for “OPEN HOUSE” ~ There was much to see and do. Each child’s work fodder was displayed on top of their desk. ~ Being an Father wishing to explore and make good use of my time there, I not only reviewed my children work but spot checked some of the other children’s as well. In short time I was advise by staff to confine my interest to my children.

    This anonymous parent is suspect. ~ Sounds like Fodder. Smells like fodder, coming from the Caroline’s ~ it’s fodder.

    As much Federal money that is being pumped into the Caroline’s today, ~ I would hope they had better things to do beside attempt to create political fodder for our amusement.

  • Deerinwater

    http://personalliberty.com/2012/12/05/1st-amendment-does-not-guarantee-freedom-from-religion/#comment-776490

    “As the story goes, a parent at the school learned of the poem’s mentioning of God and expressed concern over God being named at a school program, even a Veteran’s Day ceremony where a young girl has written a poem in honor of her two veteran grandfathers.

    According to Superintendent Dr. Gerri Martin (pronounced “mar-TEEN” according to the school district’s website) who says she made the decision to have God removed from the poem after consulting with the school’s principal Desarae Kirkpatrick and assistant principal Nakia Carson”

    I say; something stinks in Denmark!

  • DougDeGrave

    People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them. As a non-religious person, I have long criticized Abrahamism and Christianity. I have read the bible, and don’t have any problem with Jesus’ gospels. Modern Christianity and it’s Western ‘Judeo-Christian’ variation is a huge corruption of the original ‘gospel’… literally. The Jesus gospels portray a Jesus which is nothing like the pussified American version adhering to Jewish dogma like the 10 commandments. In fact this real Jesus character replaces the 10 commandments. He also speaks out against the Pharisees who then have him crucified. People need to know that Judaism by their own admission is based on the Pharisee traditions. Judaism and Christianity are not compatible with each other. I have no idea why the Old Testament is part of their bible. Protestantism left the theology open to interpretation which Darby and Scofield have taken advantage of, the latter successful because of Jewish financial backing. They have Judaized Christianity and American Christians are currently collectively dumbed down with this Judaic falsification and drunk on the piss. The problem with writing about religion is that you run the risk of offending sincerely religious people, and then they’ll come after you with machetes. It’s not a surprising fact that more people have been slaughtered in the name of religion than for any other single reason. It seems the issue here is with the word “god”, which is really open to interpretation based on one’s PERSONAL understanding and relationship with themselves. Trying to define something that exists only within one’s consciousness and at the same time as vast and infinite as the universe is impossible, yet so simple. I suppose the word could be replaced with, ‘Invisible Omnipresent Numerological Fractal Oneness Orderer and Mathematical Creator Light and Intelligence In Everything’ but it would disrupt the iambic pentameter of a poem and discriminate against fans of Haiku. ;)

  • pcsrocky

    Regardless of whether you believe there is a God. This child’s right to Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech have been trampled. She wrote/reported what her Grandfather did. He PRAYED, his actions. She reported HIS actions as directed by the assignment. If you don’t like it – too bad! She did the assignment.

    Where is the ACLU for this child?

  • Dennis

    And people wonder why we are in the mess we are in today.Go figure.This is pathetic and that parent should ne ashamed.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    PEOPLE, ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION – IT IS A VALUE WHICH SERVES AS A “BLUEPRINT” FOR LIVING.

    • old hillbilly

      Belief in nothing is zero – a consideration that has no value – zilch. The ideal debate about nothing involves closed eyes, ear muffs, a cork in both ends, and absolute motionless.

      The Constitution guarantees your right to nothingness and my right to believe in the things you can’t see, hear, trouch, or believe. It seems your boogie man is believing things you can’t see, hear, touch, or believe in is going to snatch you up a turn you into a mushroom.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      CAH: PEOPLE, ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION. IT IS A VALUE WHICH SERVES AS A “BLUEPRINT” FOR LIVING.

      Could the same not be said of religion; It is a value(or indicator of values)which serve(s) as a “blueprint” for living?

      Value: The regard that something is held to deserve; the importance or preciousness of something.

      Values: A person’s principles or standards of behavior; one’s judgment of what is important in life.

      • Kate8

        Holy cow, Jay. I don’t know if you ever read PRAVDA, but this article brought me to my knees. If only every American, including liberals, would read what they have to say about us.

        Perhaps Russia has become the new promised land. They certainly view us through the eyes of a people who’ve come through tribulation, have repented, and for whom God has healed their land.

        Of course, we won’t read anything about this here. Who’d a thought.

        All I can say is, wow. My heart breaks for how foolish we are as a nation. Our horror is just beginning. If people could see us through the eyes of Russia, perhaps we could save ourselves.

        http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-12-2012/123005-communist_victory_amerika-0/

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Well put, Jay. Kind of parallels what I said earlier about atheism being a “religion” as much as any of those value and belief systems that we call “religion”. (and don’t some people on this site know what quotation marks mean?—-as in ” “).

        Kate8 says, “this PRAVDA article brought me to my knees. If only every American, including liberals, would read what they have to say about us”.

        This is the SAME Kate who talked earlier about not relying on “biased experts”? And now she is “floored” by the “truth” she finds in the official propaganda arm of the Russian government? Lord love a duck. I’m sure that Pravda would LOVE to have every American read the piece, because some, like Kate, will see that its biases match their own and then help her proclaim it as truth to the world, when it is in fact far from “truthful”

        Kate says, “Perhaps Russia has become the new promised land. They certainly view us through the eyes of a people who’ve come through tribulation, have repented, and for whom God has healed their land”.
        Perhaps Kate should learn a bit more about conditions in Russia before she puts them on a pedestal for us as she badmouths America. She might find that Russia is in many ways a FAILING nation. Its statistics re: life expectancy, health, infant mortality, wealth and income inequality, and demographics are abysmal and sinking. The Russian plutocracy/oligarchy is heavily infiltrated by outright criminals. Russia has by no means “come through tribulation” and God may actually be continuing to punish them rather than “healing” their land.

        Kate finishes with, “Of course, we won’t read anything about this here. Who’d a thought. All I can say is, wow. My heart breaks for how foolish we are as a nation. Our horror is just beginning. If people could see us through the eyes of Russia, perhaps we could save ourselves”.
        All I can say is “Lord love a duck” yet again as I am brought to my knees by how foolish some people are as they keep drinking that old conservative Kool-aid that the plutocrats and corporate oligarchs mix up for us.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      PEOPLE, RELIGION IS AN ORGANIZED ENTITY. ITS PURPOSE IS TO CREATE A “SINGLE CONCEPT” FOR TRANSMISSION TO A LARGE BODY OF PEOPLE. WRITTEN IDEALS – LIKE The Bible, OR, Qu’ran – ARE NEEDED TO ENSURE THAT A PARTICULAR LARGE BODY OF PEOPLE HAVE CODIFIED THOUGHT.

      ON THE OTHER HAND, ATHEISM HAS NO ORGANIZATION. THERE IS NO MANUAL WHICH CODIFIES THE IDEALS OF A LARGE BODY OF ATHEISTS – THAT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE. ATHEISTS COME FROM VARIOUS BACKGROUNDS. SOME ARE BORN IN ATHEIST FAMILIES; SOME ARE BORN IN RELIGIOUS FAMILIES. NOT BELIEVING IN DIETIES IS AN INDIVIDUAL VALUE [OF A PARTICULAR ATHEIST] WHICH CAN NOT BE MIMICKED BY ANOTHER ATHEIST.

      HENCE – TO SIMPLIFY – RELIGION REQUIRES AN ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE. ATHEISM CAN NOT BE STRUCTURALLY CONTAINED.

  • FWO21

    As far as I am concerned, there is but one God. Anything else is idolatry. People from other countries come to America and bring their “religion” with them and that is why there is a problem. I thought they came to America to try to be an American, some day? And, I don’t thing saying the word “God” is endorsing any one kind of religion; but that’s just me.

    • Charlie

      My God is King Jesus Christ , per Matthew 28:18… Who ? is your God / god ??? and the pass word today is: Meanwhile…………..
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • Vicki

        Since you ask. My God is the Father of us all, including Jesus.

      • Charlie

        Vicki,,,
        yep,,Even The Father / Creator of some on their way to hell………………

  • Mindy Robinson

    This was a little girl with a poem, she was not teaching Christianity, she had a poem about her grandfathers. Now, as a Christian , if a muslim child were to use the word Islam or Allah in her poem I would not be concerned, I would enjoy the child’s poem as long the poem did not include “Kill the infidels”. When we begin to censor our young children because they mention a word that is associated with their religious beliefs we are a very sick society. Anyone who thinks this is ok is a very mentally disturbed person.

    The truth is it that the child was persecuted for being a Christian – I wonder how that child felt when she was told she could not read her poem? An open society? This society has become a hateful, bullying, judgemental society. Again, anyone who thinks this is ok is mentally distrubed. But feel good about yourself, a little girl was persecuted for saying the word God – yes indeed I can see where this is a feather in your cap.

  • http://Aol.com CommonSense4America

    Question. When are “WE THE PEOPLE” going to do something about our government and school officials and when?

    • Motov

      When we the People march down to Washington DC by the millions (and millions), and demand impeachment of government officials who no longer represent us. Protesting the last elections were fraudulent, demanding the restoration of the Constitution.
      While every news media broadcasts the event coast to coast,.. making front pages of all newspapers etc.
      That would be a politician’s worst nightmare

      • Motov

        In short make occupy wall street look like kindergarten, but be much more civil than they were, no defecating on cars or any violence.

      • Vicki

        The Tea Party did that. They were ignored.

    • Charlie

      When King Jesus leads you ,,,America will be taken back… DID THE TEA PARTY claim or proclaim King Jesus Christ???????????????? Meanwhile………………….
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • thewitness42

    somone on here said what if a radical muslim said something like that about their religion , obviously you do not know how base Islam is , go and get a magazine called the persecuted chrch ,when islam,(radical?) sees a christian they either put them in prison or in one of their re,schools to remake the christian into an islamic , if that dosen’t work they will kill the person ! Dont think so? hundreds of thousandds of Christians have been killed by Islamic rads, also get a real kuran ( they have fake ones ) just to get you started . Islam allows you to murder, to lie rape , or any other nasty thing to get their way as far as religin goes , I readone

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “thewitness42,”

      YOU ARE TWISTING MY WORDS. THAT IS NOT WHAT I ASKED, “Kate8.”

    • DougDeGrave

      Why no mention about the laws written in the Jewish Talmud? Murder? Lie? Rape children? Yes,Yes and Yes.

      “Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews. When a Jew murders a Gentile (“Cuthean”), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep”
      - Sanhedrin 57a
      Since, however, it is not always and everywhere possible to effect this extermination of Christians, the Talmud orders that they should be attacked at least indirectly, namely: by injuring them in every possible way, physically, financially, and morally. The Talmud encourages wherever it is possible, that a Jew should kill Christians, and do so without mercy.

      Jews May Lie to Non-Jews. Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile
      - Baba Kamma 113a

      A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years “and a day” old).

      A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
      - Sanhedrin 54b

      “When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing.”
      - Kethuboth 11b

      And how about the Bolshevik Jews who were behind the cold-blooded deaths of 40+ millions(mostly Christians) during the Communist Revolution?

      If just the mention of the word ‘God’ is offensive, and government legislation prohibits religion in the school curriculum, why have five states enacted laws requiring the teaching of the Holocaust? You really think it’s Muslims that are trying to destroy Christianity? Do Muslims bombard our children with explicit, immoral, sexualized Television shows and Pop music?

      • Vigilant

        “If just the mention of the word ‘God’ is offensive, and government legislation prohibits religion in the school curriculum, why have five states enacted laws requiring the teaching of the Holocaust?”

        DUH, because it’s history, and damned important history at that.

        • DougDeGrave

          You’ll believe anything just cause it’s written in a book, huh? The Holocaust narrative is a holy hoax. There’s enough Judafication being programmed into Childrens’ minds as it is.

      • Vigilant

        My apologies for ever trying to talk sense (and voluminously documented history) to an idiot.

  • http://personalliberty.com/2012/12/05/1st-amendment-does-not-guarantee-freedom-from-religion/ C.L.

    She should have been re-cycled thru kindergarten for such an illiterate statement as: “He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength.” with its glaring comma splice betwixt “peace” and he…” Then, when she demonstrated the proper way to connect two co-ordinate clauses (with a semicolon, colon, or period/double space/new sentence (with capital letter), she should have been considered for advancement to the 1st grade.

    Sincerely,

    Detroit Public Schools grad (from wa….y back when we could READ our diplomas)

  • http://n/a DR Richard M

    God has nothing to do with religion –religion is man made for the purpose of control. Religion is the real problem with the world today–it is nothing but hypocrisy. People have the right to believe what they want–but they should keep it to themselves–mind their own business and quit trying to convert anyone–it would have been better if that little innocent child just said prayed and left the word god out–then people would not be fighting over something so petty and stupid–most people do not even know what god means–logical positivists can tell you that you do not know what you are talking about when you say god because you can not logically define the word god–human , spirit, animal , extraterrestial being–whatever! Believe what you want –live and let live–as John Lennon said–IMAGINE!!!

    • Mindy Robinson

      So, the little girl was trying to convert , really! You are a jerk! You are talking about a 6 year old you fool!

      • http://n/a DR Richard M

        Typical insult from a real closed mind–you are the fool and jerk—-and dee masses are dee asses clown!!!1

        • Mindy Robinson

          There you go again, voicing your opinion , tsk, tsk.

    • Mindy Robinson

      Oh, by the way , if you really believed people should keep their beliefs to themselves, I would expect you, who is perhaps an adult, to do just that. Yet you did not, you almost wrote a book on what you believe. Practive what you preach! Hypocrite!

    • Vigilant

      It has been my experience that the insistence on prefixing one’s name with an academic credential is an indication of almost perfect bigotry. Using TWO capital letters to do such simply underscores the insecurity of the person. Either that, or his initials are “D.R.” and he’s hoping to impart some air of legitimacy to his remarks by faking us out into thinking he’s a PhD.

      In either case, he fails on a number of fronts, and he shows himself to be a fool and a hypocrite in the process.

      First, the priggish and gratuitous insertion of the philosophical arguments of the logical empiricists. The article, and in particular the thread of conversation, is NOT enhanced by launching into a sophomoric argument about whether or not God exists.

      Richard M has tested the Bible and found it wanting. I have tested his dogged-eared copy of A. J. Ayers’ “Language, Truth and Logic” and have found it wanting.

      The primary thrust of this philosophy is that if a proposition can’t be proven empirically, or even a hypothetical scientific test cannot be formulated to test the hypothesis, then the proposition is neither true nor false, it is simply nonsensical.

      Not only does this wipe out a major branch of philosophy (metaphysics), but it fails miserably when tested by its own criteria. Tell me, Richard M, what test or hypothetical test can you devise to prove that science is the only system that yields meaningful analysis of reality? You can’t, and therefore your proposition, the whole body of logical positivism, falls on its face as “nonsensical.”

      Secondly, after your overt expressions of disdain for religion, and asserting a value judgment (“it would have been better if that little innocent child just said prayed and left the word god out”), you hypocritically quote an old maxim, (“–live and let live–“). Did it ever occur to you that you just violated that maxim?

      Here’s a quote, from a reliable source, for consideration: “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

    • ranger09

      SINCE THE START OF MAN AS WE KNOW. MAN HAS ALWAYS BELIEVED AND LOOKED UP TO SOME FORM OF GOD OR GODS MOST CALLED THEM BY DIFFERENT NAMES. SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE NEEDED SOMETHING HIGHER THAN THEMSELVES TO BELIVE IN. PEOPLE PRAYED TO MANY DIFFERENT GOD OR GODS. WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT IT SEEMS LIKE ALL MEN PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD. PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THE WORD OF GOD INTO DIFFERENT MEANINGS.aS HISTORY HAS SHOWN MAN WRITES WORDS TO SUIT HIMSELF OR A CAUSE.

  • http://personalliberty.com/2012/12/05/1st-amendment-does-not-guarantee-freedom-from-religion/ Paul

    Negative, doc! Had she said her granddad prayed to the devil, a goat, Gaia, an African or Latin American cannibal with a bone in his nose, Ho Tai, a Meccan pedophile, Pan, Jim Jones or Baal: then she would have been a shoo-in for 1st prize! BTW you keep omitting the upper case G: where’d you get that sheepskin..from a real sheep…what part?

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      True! And, as you rightly pointed out, religion is not the problem per say, but Christianity, in particular/specifically, since Christianity is not compatible with any other, and therefore cannot be assimilated or blended with any other or with the rest, thus making the task of drafting/architecting a “one world religion” problematic. Solution? Destroy Christianity, or at the very least, convince the masses it is antiquated, irrelevant, and the cause of all our ill and woes; but not religion, as religion is a powerful tool by which man can easily be harnessed and controlled/exploited. If this be not not true, why then the Ecumenical-movement, or Communitarianism?

      http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communitarian/niki.htm

      • Right Brain Thinker

        You are a sly one, Jay. Do I see some Hegelian Dialectic in action here? LOL

        Let me assist you in stirring things up. The problem with Christianity is not its incompatibility with other religions (per say—LOL), but with the fact that so many who beat their chests and loudly proclaim their belief in Christ do NOT behave as Christians themselves. Their hypocrisy is what sets Christianity apart from other religions. There is no place in a one world religion for people who don’t practice what they preach.

        (And one could even make a case that Jesus was a “communitarian” of sorts if one were to apply the Socratic Dialectic rather than the Hegelian)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        RBT: The problem with Christianity is not its incompatibility with other religions (per say—LOL), but with the fact that so many who beat their chests and loudly proclaim their belief in Christ do NOT behave as Christians themselves.

        Well yes, for sure, so “many” do…which implies, “some” do not? There are also “many” who claim to be Christians, who sit among the congregation for no other purpose but, for the benefits; there are some, being new to the fold that do not yet understand, and need more time to grow and shed their previous life-style(s); others still, to undermine and cause damage, and behave in a manner un-becoming so as to bring ill-repute to the name; and what better way to accomplish that then to proclaim themselves Christians while at the same behaving in a manner unbecoming? Its not as clear-cut as you would prefer, RBT, and understandably so.

        RBT: Their hypocrisy is what sets Christianity apart from other religions. There is no place in a one world religion for people who don’t practice what they preach.

        Then that would exclude all, religions, and a “one world religion” would be small indeed, having “very few” as members, as hypocrisy is not limited to Christianity/Christians. No doubt, you will find a few hypocrites among those who are constructing a “one world religion”. Some, even claim to be Christians. Of course, we all know that they are in essence, politicians, masquerading as religious-folk. Realistically, RBT, hypocrisy is a human condition, and not restricted to religion(s), or religious people. Hypocrisy is an equal-opportunity employer!

        • RichE

          The problem with God based religions is they are designed to make you feel better and when you feel better you might get the inspiration that you are better than someone else.

      • Vicki

        RichE says:
        “The problem with God based religions is they are designed to make you feel better and when you feel better you might get the inspiration that you are better than someone else.”

        What say you to the liberal dogma that insists that people must feel better about themselves? http://www.rightwingnews.com/uncategorized/explaining-liberal-thinking-in-a-single-column/

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Yeah, you do run the risk of becoming a pompous-ass, RichE; that’s for sure. But you can also be at risk of becoming more charitable, loving, forgiving, empathetic; all of which are indications that the individual has divested him/herself of the superiority-complex. I suppose it can work both ways, RichE, depending on the individual’s receptiveness, background, cultural influence, up-bringing…ect…many factors need to be considered before placing judgement, RichE.

        Sweeping-generalizations, blanket-stemenmts are not helpful; yet, they seem to be the general-rule applied by people outside the faith-orbit, and that, with considerable glee and enthusiasm!

      • Vigilant

        RBT says, “The problem with Christianity is not its incompatibility with other religions (per say—LOL), but with the fact that so many who beat their chests and loudly proclaim their belief in Christ do NOT behave as Christians themselves. Their hypocrisy is what sets Christianity apart from other religions.”

        May I suggest that you’ve fallen into the common logical trap of throwing out the baby with the bathwater?

        One cannot equate the principles and ideals of any belief system with the human beings who claim to adhere to them. They are simply two different things.

        Many of our Founders were slaveholders. Lincoln was a racist. Martin Luther King was a philanderer. In what way, form or fashion do these facts impact upon the lofty ideals they espoused? They don’t.

        Jefferson’s utterance of “all men are created equal” is not tarnished in any way by the fact that he owned slaves. The Enlightenment ideal is universal and intact; Jefferson is reduced in stature, but not the concept.

        The ideals and principles of Christianity, the supernatural aside, are goals to which we should strive. That many Christians do not practice forgiveness, toleration, kindness, honesty, decency, etc., is not a condemnation of the principles, it is a statement of the frailty and imperfection of human nature and, yes, their hypocrisy.

        As for hypocrisy, I highly doubt that Christianity is unique or “set apart from other religions” by virtue of the fact that so many identify with its ideals but practice differently. To imply such is to ignore human nature.

  • Mindy Robinson

    To all of us, You know where children learn hate so young? From their parents – all of you go back and read what you wrote! This is not about being lib or consv – this is about a 6 year old child who wrote and then read her poem! If other 6 year olds were to attack her because of it, well , it’s a certain sign that maybe adults had better start looking at themselves and asking “What Have I done”!

  • Deerinwater

    So ???? Explain to us how “a parent” might have known about objectionable content if the child was not permitted to recite her work?

  • alice cole

    We HAVE to tolerate the freedom of all other religions in the schools systems, but everyone seems to quiver at the sound of the name of God. For some reason “God”, “Jesus” & “Christ” has turned into a bad word, yet all others we are to “be respectful of” out of political correctness (if nothing else). Christians seem to be the meek and more tolerate ones, as commanded by Christ, but the ones that demand freedom of speech & freedom of worship are the ones that make all the noise and are always less tolerable. Seems to me that we all should be setting a better example for these children, especially in public. Make sure your children understands what you believe, no matter the religion, so that things like this will never have to be an issue.

  • Toy

    We do not have the whole poem here.
    As I understand it, the child was recalling what her grandfather had said, she was not advocating a religion.
    “In God we trust”. (1954) Good enough for fiat currency!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly62n36nn0k

  • Paul

    The Constitution is the only thing that stands between you and your government, and was written by the founding fathers to be as ironclad as possible; to keep check on the power of the government and it’s relationship to the people; it is not a living document, as some try to say, and must be re-interpreted and modified as time goes on, but adheres to the point of change or alteration only through amendment procedures. Thus, the first amendment, and all other amendments, are still intact and easy to understand, along with every other word as it is written, in the body of that document. The point being, if anyone is offended by someones right to free speach, too bad, deal with it. As stated in a prior note, ones right to free speach trumps ones right not to be offended. Show me in the Constitution where you have a right not to be offended.
    In short, one may still tell Polish jokes, make comments about ethnicity, or say any thing else one, damned well, may want to say. Minor exceptions, as fire in a movie theater, etc. One more comment; that child was only quoting another ones narative. There was absolutely no endorsement of anything; but even if she was reading her own ideas, she still has every right to do so, in any forum, any place and anytime. She is not the government, nor a spokesperson for the such, she is a private citizen in a public forum (public school) and did nothing wrong.
    With the brain power coming out of places of, so called, higher learning, I’m having some real problems with the products of this genre, and the educated morons who are in positions of authority.

  • Mindy Robinson

    To all of you, no child should feel inferior , ever! A child who believes in God and says God should not be punished by adults banning her from reading her poem! A child should not feel inferior because they have not been taught Christian way! I cannot believe some of the horrible things both Christian and non Christian have spouted! Many of you on both sides are less than human! Look to yourselves for the reason our children are having problems!

  • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.sherman.589 tgsherman

    The Principal of the school says he must follow the law! When Obama passes a law that you must share your 3 bedroom home with 2 more families because they have been deprived, whether you like them or not, are you going to follow the law?

  • Ray Reid

    Some would argue that as long as the school’s policy applied to ALL “religions” and ALL “deities”, that the school is correct. However, as soon as you treat religious beliefs differently than any other sets of beliefs, you violate the 1st and 14th Amendments. You in effect treat the secular one way and all religions the other. Let me offer an analogy: if a university treated all members of a fraternity or sorority the same, but different from non-members, the university is in fact discriminating against the “greek” members. The fact that the university does not treat one fraternity or one sorority over the other is irrelevant. A policy banning inter-racial marriages is another analogy. You could argue that such a policy is OK because it treats all races the same. It does not discriminate against one race over the other. The truth is: as soon as you make race an issue, you violate the US Constitution.. As soon as the school made the “God” reference an issue, it violated the Constitution. Treating all religions the same is irrelevant.

  • FOSAR

    What is really bothering me here is that a system is suppose to be teaching a positive attitude because when people have a positive attitude, learning is easier and therefore one can learn more. “Attitude equals Altitude” We have a school system that is traumatizing children over trivial matters because “student learning” should be the priority here.
    Now this being said not only does the child have free speech but also the Constitution gives us the right to our religion and the “government” cannot make laws concerning it. Therefore, NO school system has the legal right to tell anyone anything about their religion because the Constitution states that “government” cannot make any law regarding religion. In plain English, The school needs to keep their mouth shut.

  • Horton Hears A Who

    I Tthink that I shall never see
    A poem lovely as a tree.

    A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
    Against the sweet earth’s flowing breast;

    A tree that looks at God all day,
    And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

    A tree that may in summer wear
    A nest of robins in her hair;

    Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
    Who intimately lives with rain.

    Poems are made by fools like me,
    But only God can make a tree.
    Joyce Kilmer

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      LOVELY POEM.

  • skipfoss

    I would love to have about ten minutes with this athiest slime ball I will just about bet that when I finished he would be calling on the God he claims not to beleive in and stoped a little girl from reading a poem ( under her 1st ammendent rights) People I spent three tours in Nam and never heard one athiest there ,because the first words out of their mouths when they where hit was”OH GOD PLEASE HELP ME”I have never heard one of them please breing me an athiest . Most of you slime are cowards and are a waste of space and air

    • ranger09

      SKIP, COULD NOT HAVE BEEN SAID ANY BETTER.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

      Thank you for your service to the USA!!

      Unfortunately you are seeing what has been done over decades to our legitmate government. Some facts:

      Wall Street Journal reporter Julia Angwin (who’s been one of the best at covering the surveillance state in the US) made a simple observation that puts much of this into context: the US surveillance regime has more data on the average American than the Stasi ever did on East Germans.

      At this time the American government has more information on the average American than Stalin had on Russians, Hitler had on German citizens, or any other government has ever had on its people.

      The American government is collecting and storing virtually every phone call, purchases, email, text message, internet searches, social media communications, health information, employment history, travel and student records, and virtually all other information of every American.

      The government is using facial recognition software and surveillance cameras to track where everyone is going. Cell towers track where your phone is at any moment, and the major cell carriers, including Verizon and AT&T, responded to at least 1.3 million law enforcement requests for cell phone locations and other data in 2011. And because your smartphone routinely sends your location information back to Apple or Google – child’s play for the government to track your location that way.

      As the top spy chief at the U.S. National Security Agency explained this week, the American government is collecting some 100 billion 1,000-character emails per day, and 20 trillion communications of all types per year.

      He says that the government has collected all of the communications of congressional leaders, generals and everyone else in the U.S. for the last 10 years. (Oathkeepers.org)

    • DaveH

      skipfoss says — “Most of you slime are cowards and are a waste of space and air”.
      So much for the guys who are “fighting for our freedom”.

      • figmo

        Maybe we need to focus more on the idiots and imbeciles we hire to teach our children. It’s not just religion, it’s our culture that is being stolen. The incident where mexican school kids took down the american flag and put up the mexican flag. The american kids who tried to put back our flag were sent home. American school kids who wore shirts desplaying the american flag were sent home because they might “offend” some other cultures. Really? are we that ashamed of our own culture? I remember an america when we were proud of our heritage and welcomed legal imigrants but they had to want to be americans and not come here to establish a foreign enclave.

        • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

          Right on, Brother, right on! I also remember the day when you could drive down the street and just about everywhere you looked you’d see “Old Glory” flying proudly. Now you see the flag of Mexico flying from flag staff. I thought this country was suppose to be THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA’ not multiple nations. I don’t mind if people come here for a better life (Legally) but when they do they’re suppose to end all allegiance to their former country.

          US COMBAT VETERAN: Vietnam ’68-’69, Door Gunner, 1st Cavalry Division (AM0

  • jake Elgersma

    Do the same people obyect to using coins witch have the :In God we trust:?

  • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.myers.754 Dennis Myers

    I read your “opinion” pieces all the time, but seldom find any area of agrrement.
    BUT,,,Since the school, nor any school re[resentative prepared the text or ordered its creation ( poor pun), the girl should have been allowed to deliver it. The was no violation of any law or principle.

    You wrote, “That’s quite a liberal misinterpretation of the 1st Amendment, which says, “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech…”

    A public school is not Congress. The 1st Amendment does not guarantee freedom from religion, but it does guarantee that little girl the right to express her belief.
    The rights of that girl were trampled in the name of political correctness by ignorant school administrators.”

    The key is IGNORANT, whether it be school officials, conservative legislators, liberal/conservative talking heads, and you or I. Knee jerk reactiona are generally badm based on what we want to hear or expect to hear, not the facts.

    Now, how about Hillary for the Supreme Court, And MS Warren for President in 2016 (where she names Joe Biden Secretary of State).

  • Bob

    I have read so many of these responses and I have this to say: This is another case of this so called POLITICAL CORRECTNESS gone wrong…..and a CHILD has been singled out because he or she wrote about his/her Grandfather’s experiences and prayers during his experiences during the war in Vietnam. Not only has a CHILD been singled out…but it was the complaint of ONE mother…….and lastly a school administrators that are supposed to be TEACHING and EDUCATING our CHILDREN and GRAND CHILDREN. Does not this school and for that matter the school district say the Pledge of Allegiance…ONE NATION UNDER GOD??
    TRUE EDUCATORS should be allowed to TEACH in our school systems without fear from the outside intrusions and complaints, in this case, ONE (1) MOTHER that has caught up this CHILD and singled him/her out and caused more damage to this CHILD.
    To this “mother” I would say get a life and if it does not “fit” into the Public School System then take your child out of that school and place him/her into a private school or do home schooling.

  • lizaz

    These “educators” are pitiful!! ONE person complains and they jump all over themselves to take it out on the child. The poem was not written by the school…it was written by a child. How do you explain such ignorant behavior of these adults to a young girl?? I think the voters of this school district need to rethink their choice of officials………

  • Lawrence

    What do you expect from public schools which have been indoctrinating children for over 50 years against God and especially christians. Wake up people! Schools don’t teach truth. They twist history if it is even taught. Get your children out of public schools so they can learn the truth.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.myers.754 Dennis Myers

      Your truth may not be the factual truth,
      History is taught in all school systems in America.
      The schools are not “together” enough to present any unified indoctrination, much less a unified nationwide program to fight God and christianity.
      But you are entitled to you opinion, and have the right to express it.
      Have a great day!

      • Charlie

        Dennis,,, We agree with Lawrence for the most parts ,,,but,,, on some subject matters, such as Math, etc, 2+2=4 is very hard to twist into 5,,,SO,,,brainwashing on some subject matters is impossible ,,,BUT!!!,,, on History , Language , etc ,the gov schools have things twisted to brown is clown ………. Dennis??? could it be ? you have been duped, deceived and deluded by the Satanic powers that be?????????? Meanwhile……………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.myers.754 Dennis Myers

          You know Charlie that the Bible warns that Satan will come in the guise of righteousness. Perhaps it is you that is Satanic, and trying to dupe those unaware of the true meanings of scripture.

      • ranger09

        WELL WHEN I WENT TO SCHOOL WE DID NOT HAVE SEX CLASSES.AND LEARN ABOUT HOW TO USE CONDOMS. THESE KIND OF THINGS DO NOT BELONG IN A CLASS ROOM. BUT TODAY OUR STANDARDS SHOW JUST HOW FAR WE HAVE PROGRESSED IN OUR WORLD TODAY. AND YOU WONDER WHY SOME PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND HAVE DIFFERENT FAITHS DO NOT WANT TO BE LIKE US.

  • Linda

    Employers are asking that students come out of the education system with the ability to critically think. If six year olds are being taught what to think/say, how is that ever going to happen!???

    • Charlie

      Linda,,,
      Critical thinking will happen when you can prove to be True what you “”THINK”" is true …
      100% Truth has ZERO errors… Where is King Jesus today? Can you prove The Bible to be wrong in contexts ??? Can you tell a heathen to go to hell in such a manner that they will look forward to the trip? Meanwhile………………….
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • http://www.facebook.com/RoBoWang Robert Courtney

    I have been saying for YEARS that the line is “Freedom OF Religion”, NOT “Freedom FROM Religion”.
    And I have never gotten an answer when I ask the orgs that are in Court to oppose the war on Christians, WHY they don’t argue that point.
    The line has been corrupted, and that “Separation of church and stae” is NOT in the Constitution, yet the pro war on christian loons keep spouting that it is.
    And the Muslim in the White House and the Muslim AG, will ALWAYS go against Christians, ALWAYS!!
    It’s a sad day when America has allowed these insane dolts take away our religious freedoms, among a myriad of other freedoms.
    Goodbye America, I knew you well.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.myers.754 Dennis Myers

      Can you cite any proof that the President and the Attorney General are Muslim?
      Why does the United Council of Churches support Obama if he is trying to destroy christianity?
      Rational people want to know.

      • Charlie

        Dennis,,,
        How did you become a “Christian” per The Scripture? Clue,,,The United Council of Churches , ain’t “Christians” PER The Scriptures … Obama is in violation of Deuteronomy 17:15… Heathen ,,,repent or perish!!! Meanwhile …………………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.myers.754 Dennis Myers

          You should seek professional help.

      • Ted Crawford

        Do you mean to state that your Dear Leader is a liar!?!? In September of 2008 he was congradulating McCain for not mentioning “My Muslim Faith”! On National TV no less!

        • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.myers.754 Dennis Myers

          Clearly you have no sense of humor, nor understand a speaking error. Such tunnel vision is a blessing, it shields you from reality.

      • Charlie

        Dennis,,, I been communicating with Doctor King Jesus ,every day , and only pointing at Scripture… Should I change over to your Doctor? who’s your Doctor?

      • ranger09

        CHURCHES AND THEIR LEADERS AS ALWAYS, HAVE LEANED TO POWER AND POLITICS. AS ALWAYS ITS THE LEADERS THAT SEEK POWER AND RICHES. AND THE DUMB PEOPLE JUST KEEP ON GIVING THEM THEIR MONEY. BEATS WORKING FOR A LIVING.

      • ChuckL

        The only documentation that has been made available concerning Obama’s past is the record of his schooling in Indonesia which shows him to be an Indonesian citizen and a Muslim. As this is after he was supposedly born in Hawaii, the actual place of his birth is irrelevant. His adoption in Indonesia by his mother’s second husband made him an Indonesian citizen.

        Of course under the laws of the nations involved at that time, Obama was born a British subject as his father was a Kenyan and therefore a subjct of the British Protectorate of Kenya. British law ignored the mother’s citizenship if the father was alive, and Stanley Ann Dunham was in any case below the age required to pass on her citizenship to her son.

      • ChuckL

        Actions spak much louder than words. Their actions in opposition to Christians and Jews gives them away. The Christian celebrations at the White house have been replaced with Muslim celebrations. The combination of the words “Muslim Terrorist” is prohibited by Obama.

        • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.myers.754 Dennis Myers

          That is not true. How does lying help you get closer to God?
          If you believe it to be true cite some originall source material that backs your opinion,

          • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

            “cite some originall source material”
            Fort Hood shooting – was shouting “Allahu Akbar” and shooting 42 people, 13 of whom died. Muslim terrorists are off the “DHS terrorist list” while American citizens are on it, especially those who believe and stand up for the US Constitution.

            Is this a good start for you?

          • Pied Piper

            Jesus Christ came to separate the goats from the sheep. All those who understand this great. Then they are the ones who don’t understand this . They will be saying goats and sheep. Duh… what. LOL

          • figmo

            Our government over the past several administrations seems to have a policy towards those who hate us of acting as if they are our friends and staunch allies. We throw huge amounts of money at them which we must first borrow. We are helping pay for the weapons they will use against us. I believe Kruchev once said we will hang you and you will supply the rope. So we will keep pretending that the muslim countries are our allies and contonue to dance the politically correct minuet like the do dos we have become. It doesn’t matter if they keep killing us so long as we try to understand them and pretend that they are really peace loving and misunderstood by us.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.myers.754 Dennis Myers

      BTW, Please liost the specific religious freedoms you have lost since Obama was elected (and re-elected.)
      Thank you

  • Joz

    AH SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE: That means no one in school or state etc shall impose their ‘religion’ on me ! Saying God in a child’s expression and or assignment about her grandfather does not impose any religion on another person! God every religion has their ‘g’ods Hindu religion have 1,000 or them Muslims have their God, Jews have their God and even Atheist’s have their own…. some judge said that their official ‘holi’ day is April 1 . So what the heck? God have mercy on all of us!

  • http://none Unbelievable!

    Most of assigned work at schools consists of telling about your own experience, telling your opinion, etc. Not being politically correct. The girl wrote about a personal experience or family history situation and the fact that prayer was involved was part of her personal experience or history. If schools want to quit having problems with religion or other issues, then they should quit making assignments that ask for personal interpretation, opinion, experiences or any other personalization of information and just expect parroting back facts presented in class by the politically correctly trained teacher.

    And NO personalization should be allowed at ALL in any kind of public event, that would stop all the nonsense.

    It would also make school less “relevant” for students and teach them not to think for themselves and that opinions and personal expression are dangerous and prohibited. In short, they would be brainwashed into being intellectual “zombies”.

    • Joz

      and this political decision was made fro everyone based on ‘some’ mother objecting to the word “God” ? We are ‘sick’, spiritually sick, mentally sick !

    • Ted Crawford

      ” The aim of Public Education is not to spread enlightenment at all: it is simply to reduce as many individules to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenery,to put down dissent and originality” H. L. Mencken

  • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

    Ken Paulson is incorrect.

    Supreme Court Case of West Virginia Board of Education Vs. Barnette 319 U.S. 624, Justice Robert H Jackson said the following: “The very purpose of the Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One’s right to life, liberty and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcomes of no elections.”

    First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

    Now so that he (and others) understand what that means – The six protections against government encroachment are:
    1. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
    2. Congress shall make no law prohibiting the exercise of religion
    3. Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech
    4. Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of the press
    5. Congress shall make no law abridging the right of the people peacefully to assemble
    6. Congress shall make no law abridging the right to petition the government for a redress of grievance.

    That is what it means!

    Not that any religion cannot be used in school to make points that one is making in a paper, or to paraphrase what someone else said, or anything else that pertains to students.

    If you are really ignorant of what OUR government (The Constitution of the United States – not the people put into office to carry out the duties assigned to the specific branch and positions wtihin the government that they are occupying) says, then you probably need this reminder or education also.

    ONLY congress can make legislation. A president making executive orders is making legislation. None of the executive orders are legal and binding on anyone in the USA since the executive branch since our government was created was NOT assigned that duty. It does not matter when it was made, it was not then, nor is it now legal and binding.

    For those who are unsure of what the Fourrth Amendment means:

    “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

    There are two limitations on those who are serving wthin the federal government stated in this amendment.
    1. The citizens are to be secure in their person, home, papers, and property, etc from
    unreasonable searches and seizure. That they have the privacy to go about their lives without worrying whether the government will invade them without cause, a SIGNED warrant listing exactly what they are looking for, and only taking what is listed on the warrant. This amendment was put into the Bill of Rights (which is limitations on the government) to ensure that the government does NOT commit crimes against the people nor take anything from the people without following the correct legal procedure.
    2. The government is restrained from taking either person or property without FIRST getting a signed warrant, and ONLY AFTER proving probable cause.
    (This is only as valid as the judge is honest. There have been cases in which judges have signed blank warrants, and the details are not filled in until after serving the warrant which is illegal on both parties – judge and officer(s).

    These amendments are not a grant of rights, but entirely a limitation put in writing on the government to ensure that those serving within the government do not trespass beyond their enumerated (listed) powers.

    The Ninth Amendment: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
    says that not all of the peoples natural rights the government may NOT encroach upon are listed in the Bill of Rights (like the right to travel where we want without being stopped and questioned, searched without a warrant, etc.).

    “On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson

    “Under the American Constitution a new structure of government was established on a much higher plane than either the parliamentary system or the confederation of states. It was a people’s constitutional republic, where a certain amount of power was delegated to the states and a certain amount was delegated to the national government. There was a small dimension of power which they shared jointly. All other power was retained by the people. It is the delegation by the people of certain powers to the states and certain powers to the national government which we call ‘dual federalism.’” “The Making of America”, W. Cleon Skousen

    ”We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts – not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution” Abe Lincoln

    • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

      Way to go, Kansas Bright, I agree with you 100% but what can you expect from people that have been indoctrinated by the media and his Socialistic leaders that the Constitution is nothing but a piece of paper that was written by a bunch of uneducated bumpkins.

      I dedicated most of my adult life, from 1963 to 1992, defending the Constitution form al enemies foreign and domestic and will go to my grave defending their right to be stupid.

      US COMBAT VETERAN: Vietnam ’68 – ’69, Door Gunner, 1st Cavalry Division (AM).

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        Thank you for serving!

        Unfortunately our “fight” now seems to be here at home. I say we should follow OUR US Constitution – the legitimate government here in the USA (not the UN) and arrest and prosecute as we are DEFENDING our legitimate government not rebelling.

        Make sense to you?

  • Cindy Lampa

    If schools are supposed to be so diligent in “steering clear of religious references” and not favoring one religion over another, then why do I read about some schools teaching our children about Islam?

  • Frank

    one person doesn’t like something and the next thing you know the majority has to bend over and kiss his ass. they can take politcal correctness and shove it up their ass. this country has strayed too far from the values it was founded on and its time we put her back on that foundation.

  • J.M.R.

    just another scum bag that doesn’t deserve to live in america

  • Ladyhawke

    They are supporting the religions of atheism and secular humanism. Period. End of story. See you later. Bye-bye.

  • GDC

    Bob WHERE did YOU get YOUR DEGREE in Constitutional Law??? YOU are just DELUSIONAL, PSYCHOTIC!!!

  • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

    Those bloody school officials should be fired but what can you expect from people that were not taught about the Constitution or even have the b–ls to stand up and defend that little girls rights to believe in the things that her Grandfathers fought to preserve. As to her Grandfathers: ‘WELCOME HOME, BROTHERS, WELCOME HOME!”

    US COMBAT VETERAN: Vietnam ’68-’69, Door Gunner, 1st Cavalry Division (AM).

  • Mewatis

    I’m sure this country guaranteed: FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

  • jopa

    This country does guarantee the freedom of religion and also the freedom of speech that the little girl was exercising.Her mention of God was in no way teaching or placing her principles upon any other in any way and she was justified in her use of the term God in this particular instance.The parent that objected was totally wrong.

  • lencho

    Go to texasnationalist.com

  • ChuckL

    It is absolutely clear why our children do not learn in the publick schools. The teachers and administrators do not understand the American English Language.

    The First amendment prohibits the federal government from supporting, “AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION”. That would be ONE denomination as the article “AN” is used to indicate a solitary item. The same amendment clearly prohibits the federal government from interferring in any person’s practice of their religion.

    The correct interpretation is: “If the matter is religion, the government is prohibited from acting.”

    The reasoning is equally clear. Of the 13 original colonies half of them were established to escape a theocracy, but they espoused different religions and many of them were theocracies. To make the new federal government compatible with all of the colonies, it had to be prevented from interferring with any of their religious beliefs. The solution was to prevent it from acting on any religious matters.

    • DaveH

      Here is a history of our country from the times before the settling of America to the American Revolution:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Conceived%20in%20Liberty_Vol_2.pdf

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        Never rely on one source. If you are going to, then read the people who actually did those things, and were there, newspapers from the period, court cases from the period, read the winners and losers – both have much to teach you about what was going on then. Use your own critical thinking to come to a conclusion. The worst thing you can do is let anyone tell you what to think – it is our biggest problem today.

        I am not saying that the information you are quoting is not valid, but it is slanted depending on what view the person wants to present. All writing is. Never settle for one view, and make your own conclusions.

        Hillsdale.edu offers free online constitution and history classes that anyone can take. They teach from original documents – but for you to get a well-balanced education on it make sure that you read the COMPETE documents so that you understand two things: the slant being presented to you and what the person thought (as much as one can learn from letters, documents, papers, writings, musings) of whatever you are researching at the time. Their classes are good, I do recommend them.

  • Mike Livo

    To CAH,

    I am a beleiver of what any one wants to do as lobng as they do not hurt others. You statement of being “Anti-American” now makes me think and say. If you live in this country and wish to hold this view that is fine but it would suit your purpose to find a country that would put up with your beliefs. Thsi is my challenge to you. Happy Hunting.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Mike Livo,”

      I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENTS.

      BUT, THERE ARE “A WHOLE LOT” OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE ANTI-AMERICAN; YET, THEY ARE AFRAID TO ADMIT IT DUE TO A FEAR OF RETALIATION FROM CAUCASIAN GOVERNMENT.

      “Mike Livo,” IF YOU COULD BE A “FLY-ON-THE-WALL” IN POOR HOUSEHOLDS – ESPECIALLY, THE HOUSEHOLDS OF THOSE RECEIVING WELFARE ENTITLEMENTS – YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED IN HEARING THE ABUNDANCE OF PROFANITY-LADEN- AND ANTI-AMERICAN SPEECH.

      IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO BELIEVE ALL AMERICANS CONSIDER Oklahoma City Bombing AND 11 September 2001 TO BE HORRIBLE EVENTS.

  • Chris

    Freedom of speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Are we going to let “them” take “that” away tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?????

  • Kinetic1

    I THINK that I shall never see
    A poem lovely as a tree.

    A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
    Against the sweet earth’s flowing breast;

    A tree that looks at God all day,
    And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

    A tree that may in summer wear
    A nest of robins in her hair;

    Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
    Who intimately lives with rain.

    Poems are made by fools like me,
    But only God can make a tree.

    Joyce Kilmer

    What can I say. How can I support these actions when the only logical extension is to ban so many great works of American literature. I would no sooner allow “Trees” to be removed from our schools for it’s reference to God then I would banning “Fahrenheit 451″ for mildly offensive language or “Huckleberry Finn” for historical language that we now find offensive. Were this girl asking to stand before the school and recite a prayer that was clearly of one specific religion, then I can see the objection, but when describing the actions of a subject, as in “Trees”, I just don’t see why this should be a problem.

    • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

      Hoorah, I agree 1000% with your statement. I spent most of my life defending the Constitution (1963 to 1992) and will go to my grave defending her. That oath I took on the morning of December 20th, 1963, I was only 17 then, was not just for my initial 3 year enlistment it was for the rest of my life.

      Yes, I know there are stupid people out there, but I’ll defend their right to be stupid.

      US COMBAT VETERAN: Vietnam ’68 -’69; Door Gunner, 1st Cavalry Division (AM)

  • EdDR

    The school, in essence gave the child permission to write and say anything they wanted to do, when they asked the child to write a poem for a Veterans Day program, AT THE SCHOOL, the parent who objected to the poem had a right to object, but not the right to interfere with the presentation. If the parent, who objected, did not want his/her child to listen to the presentation, which in itself is a violation of that childs’ rights to hear what another person had to say; then make their own determination on to accept or not accept the idea of what they hear. But the parent could have asked his/her child to step outside during the recitation of the poem or leave his/her child in with the rest of his/her classmates and explain afterwards the parents interpretation of the poem to better inform his/her child. The school administration had the right to hear the objections, but not the right to interfere with the presentation, since the school had already given the girl the RIGHT to organize and present her poem to THE SCHOOL AND PARENTS for a SCHOOL APPROVED FUNCTION….

  • http://None Padda

    What a sad, sick world we are becoming.!!
    If those people who fight to leave God’s name out of their lives…, and that is their choice,
    .I hope that they will then understand that God also has choices when he leaves their names out of HIS friends list!

    • Toy

      Should have replaced the word”G’D” with Yahweh or Akbar?

      • DougDeGrave

        A la Snackbar. Praise the lard?!? Religion linked to obesity in young adults… Weekly church activities boost obesity 50 percent by middle age, 18-year study shows http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42256829/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/42238794#.T3dSTtmV2oY

        • mhtrc55

          What does your comment have to do with the original article? I have read most of the comments posted and have to say that most of you didn’t even respond to the topic at hand. Basically, it’s this: a little first grade girl was asked to do an assignment for her class, which means she’s probably 6 years old. She re-told a story her grandfather had told her of his experience during WWII. Because she mentioned the word “God”, a parent (not hers) took exception and had the school administration ban the word from her speech during an assembly. What is wrong with what she did?!! Answer: NOTHING. Not a thing. But the world had a seizure over it. Why? At the mere mention of a word. If no one had made a big deal out of it, the rest of the First Graders wouldn’t have even noticed it in her poem. All of you need to stop practicing PC and move on. Enough is enough. Because of the need to not offend someone who isn’t Christian (perhaps), this little girl’s rights were trampled. Pathetic and sad. This is America, after all and, if someone becomes offended by the mere mention of a word, then don’t listen, or, better yet, grow up and remember America was built on Christian principles.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

            Fella, her Grandfather did not fight in WWII it was VIETNAM. In the military we have a say “There ain’t no Atheist in a foxhole.”, so yes most of us that do go to combat do pray. Mine was just happened to be God, several of my buddies prayed to Allah, some to Jehovah and some to the Virgin Mary. So, I would say get your fact right before you put you foot into it.

            When I said my Oath in 1963 I took that Oath to heart and will go to my grave defending people’s right to be stupid.

            US COMBAT VETERAN: Vietnam ’68 -’69, Door gunner, 1st Cavalry Division (AM)

          • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

            Thank you for your service to this country. Most of all, Thank You for keeping your Oath to support and defend our legitimate government, the US Constitution.

            For those of you who are not sure what I am saying, this will explain it best (we do NOT ahve any person or group of people who are our federal government – just those who are put intopositions to carry out the duties assigned the branches by the Constitution of the United States of America!)

            “God provided that in this land of liberty, our political allegiance shall run not to individuals, that is, to government officials, no matter how great or how small they may be. Under His plan our allegiance and the only allegiance we owe as citizens or denizens of the United States, runs to our inspired Constitution which God himself set up. So runs the oath of office of those who participate in government. A certain loyalty we do owe to the office which a man holds, but even here we owe just by reason of our citizenship, no loyalty to the man himself. In other countries it is to the individual that allegiance runs. This principle of allegiance to the Constitution is basic to our freedom. It is one of the great principles that distinguishes this “land of liberty” from other countries”. J. Reuben Clark

            ”We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts – not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution” Abe Lincoln

            “A constitution is not the act of a government, but of a people constituting a government; and government without a constitution is power without a right. All power exercised over a nation, must have some beginning. It must be either delegated, or assumed. There are not other sources. All delegated power is trust, and all assumed power is usurpation. Time does not alter the nature and quality of either.” Thomas Paine

            “It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning cannot be applied to this great charter.

            If all men are created equal, that is final.
            If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final.
            If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final.

            No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions.
            If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction cannot lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.” Calvin Coolidge, 30th US President

          • DougDeGrave

            What does my comment have to do with the original article? Absolutely nothing. Yes I agree, This thread has turned into a pissing-up-a-rope contest. I just saw “Akbar” and thought “snackbar”. I think that in a world where public school’s label pizza as a vegetable, religious issues cause a helluva distraction from real problems that parents should be discussing. Sorry if I offended you by ignoring the issue of first amendment rights, but I’m just as fed up about most of these self-righteous comments as you.

  • Toy
  • James

    Question. When are “WE THE PEOPLE” going to do something about our government and school officials and when?
    I suggest that you write the school addressing it to the Superintendent and let him/her know your true feelings. And be sure to write on the envelope in large letters, ” In GOD we Trust ” Thank you very much!
    james

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