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House Democrats, Tea Party Leaders Don’t Favor Tax Package

December 13, 2010 by  

House Democrats, Tea Party leaders don't favor tax packagePresident Barack Obama is losing allies on both sides of the aisle.

The House Democratic caucus voted against considering the tax package that Obama had negotiated with Republican leaders, which would extend the Bush-era tax cuts for all Americans. The compromise also includes 13 months of unemployment benefits, a cut of 2 percentage points in payroll tax and extended tax credits for students and lower-income Americans.

Democrats favor tax cut extensions for low- and middle-income families, but not for individuals earning more than $200,000 and families that make more than $250,000. Obama originally supported raising taxes for the wealthiest Americans, but acquiesced to GOP demands last weekend in an attempt to move legislation before the extensions expire on Dec. 31.

"This message is very simple. That in the form that it was negotiated, it is not acceptable to the House Democratic caucus," said Representative Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), quoted by CNN.

House Tea Party members are opposed to the compromise, as well, but for different reasons. According to FOX News, Representative Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), the chairwoman of the House Tea Party Caucus, said that some Republicans may vote against the tax cuts if they are tied to an extension of unemployment benefits. She said it "would be a very hard vote to take."

Meanwhile, Senate Democrats appear to be in favor of passing the tax package. Politico.com reports that the Senate could vote as early as Dec. 11 to open debate on the bill.

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  • Vigilant

    Both sides need to swallow their pride and just pass the damn thing. Give and get is the nature of compromise, and if we can’t have that in our governing body, then we will never have legislation that comes close to reflecting the will of America.

    Instead of each side focusing on what they can be happy about, they both look at what’s not attractive to them and demand that it be changed. They are not legislators, they are children in a school yard.

    • meteorlady

      I find it hard to be happy about another extension of unemployment benefits when I see people I know not taking jobs because they are getting benefits and don’t need a lower paying job right now. One friend “took the summer” off to ride his motorcycle around the US all on yours and my dollar.

      They have already gotten 99 weeks, what more? Even in this bad economy people usually find a job in 6 months or less on average so what’s going on here is that people that have been laid off from higher paying jobs are holding out for those same jobs at the same pay. It’s probably not going to happen…..

      The US has the SECOND highest corporate taxes IN THE WORLD. JAPAN is talking about deceasing theirs so that would make us the highest. It’s not the cost of labor that drives corporations out of our country, it’s the TAXES upon taxes and regulations.

    • Viktor Leben

      Both sides need to cut their pay by 50% to share in the suffering of the unemployed !

  • J.M.R.

    every bill should be passed on its own merit no add ons, not you kiss mine i’ll kiss yours later so it will pass.

    • Proud to be a Christian

      Absolutely. The thing that most people don’t like and why all add ons are not reported on the news is the fact that with the adds on this article covers there is also the funding of Obamacare. That is a no no. The other problem again, married couples filing jointly will be hit again if they change the rates to “hit the wealthy” which is a farst in itself, with only 250,000 for married filing jointly and 200,000 for singles etc. They have to do something and quickly. Could be they are waiting for the newly elected to take office in January to do it correctly. I guess we will just have to wait and see. However, I wish they had not passed money extension to run the country, that is where I would have put the bush tax cut extension!!!!

      • meteorlady

        The marriage penalty is the worst. It says basically that I am a second class citizen and don’t deserve the same deduction as a single person working. If we go back to that I my husband and I will divorce, set up the legal paperwork to protect ourselves, and go on a nice vacation on the money we don’t have to pay in taxes. Can’t figure out why taking a couple of thousand from married couples would do anything but further stifle economic growth in that we have less to spend.

        There are a number of items that the press has not reported on in this bill too. We need to be very vigilant in writing our congressional representatives.

    • melatr7

      AND, according to DeMint: “Finally, the bill now includes dozens of earmarks for special interests, including ethanol subsidies, tax breaks for film and television producers, give aways for Puerto Rican rum manufacturers, favors for auto racing track owners, and a hand out for businesses in American Samoa.”

      Same old pork we’ve been shouting about for YEARS. Congress is DEAF AND CORRUPT!!!

  • CJ

    Unless everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY takes part in making the recovery happen, it will drag on. Businesses are not hiring because of unclear regulations from the government. In a recession prices and income should come down, but they are not. Unemployment benefits are giving people reason to NOT take employment at an otherwise lower income level. Something has to give. And the left wing doesn’t want to make a deal because it “doesn’t help the deficite.” Here’s something for them to try… STOP SPENDING. Cut pork entitlements and spend within the budget of the lower income. That’s what households have to do.

    The more the deficite is financed with borrowing, the more interest that has to be paid. Cut wasteful spending, reduce the borrowing, stop giving people reasons to turn down jobs, holding out for ones with wages the economy can’t support and reduce regulations that make business less profitable. Simply get government regulation out of our lives and let people be productive. We are regulated out of work.

  • http://personallibertydigest Dana PA

    I agree with J.M.R. All bills should be short and sweet, no bull in them, passing the Bush extensions should be just that, don’t add you will fund Gov. Until Sept. which includes Obama care. Yes the Bush extensions should take place on their own merit. And yes for all it is the ones that maybe make over 250,000 dollars that are the employers of this nation. It will only increase revenue for Gov. because more people will be working, and they should be permanently extended, with no earmarks, or if this than that.

  • rev gay

    this is going to be another “health care” abomination with pork and bribes, etc. the Republicans should vote against it and then rewrite it in January when they take over. In this 2010 election they vowed not to support PORK!

    • Teresa

      Agreed

    • BigBadJohn

      LOL and you actually believe them?????

      In 1999 there was a total of 2100 pork projects, in 2005 there were 14000 pork projects. Who controlled the presidency, congress and the senate at that time????

      The GOP is going to save us – ya right……

      http://membership.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_porkbarrelreport

      • meteorlady

        So why not add all the bills that were passed from 2007 on? Your post is one sided…..

        Ya right…

        • BigBadJohn

          ok here ya go
          2009 – 10000 pork projects, 40 % less than when the GOP controlled everything

          • home boy

            you forgot the 3 trillion dollars obama has spent

          • BigBadJohn

            Hey homeboy
            Yes Obama has spent 3 trillion dollars. He INHERITED a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit times two years – he is spending the SAME AMOUNT as Bush.

            What should he do roll back everything Bush has done to get us back to 2000 spending????

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Big bj,
            Look at the projections of spending for the next two years on Nobummer then tell me how much he is spending!!!

  • Hambone

    The president and the republican leadership compromised to get this deal. No one likes it. Unfortunately the politicians did not really totally accept it and many continued to politic to advance their partisan positions. It seemed that votes still needed to be bought and various extraneous additions were added to the compromise to obtain vote of specific legislatiors. If that is necessary to obtain votes to pass controversial legislation, like Obomacare, we will never get our budget under control. Costs will always go up. The deficit will always increase. Does anyone in Washington care? I hope the tea party can help change priorities in Washington and help change the culture to eliminate the partisan games that are played to obtain votes.

  • Disgusted

    Our President vowed not to support PORK! What they say and what they do are two different things. Once they have obtained office anything they may have promised during their election campaign may or may not be upheld. I believe their actions after they have won office is what really determines their worth as a leader of this country. Unfortunately what can you do about it if they turn out to be nothing by liars once in? Our government landscape is rough terrain, we need a huge steam roller to flatten it out again.

    • meteorlady

      Our “President” vowed a lot of things and he’s delivered nothing.

      • J.M.R.

        first he is not my pres he’s americas first dick-tater, and yes he has delivered this great country into bankrupcy!!!

        • BigBadJohn

          Ugh hate to point this out but BUSH turned a 100 billion deficit into a 1.5 TRILLION dollar deficit, along with doubling the size of government.
          Besides Bush’s 1.5 trillion dollar deficit Obama inherited the the worse recession in history. Just what do you think should be done – reverse everything that Bush did????

          • home boy

            you forgot to add that the housing started with bill clinton, barney hersey high way frank and dicky boy dodd and they are (drum roll please) democrates

          • BigBadJohn

            homeboy – the housing bubble started when Clinton signed a REPUBLICAN bill to deregulate mortgages – the repeal of Glass-Steagall.

            I have said all along the Clinton was a republican in democrat clothing.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Big bj,
            clinton was about as republican as you are a brilliant astrophysicist!! he is a progressive jerk-off that comes running to the rescue of Nobama and Hellory every chance he gets!!!

          • BigBadJohn

            Joe

            Republicans always beat up democrats for being soft on crime and drugs.
            So who did what – Reagan we get an ad campaign “just say no”.
            Clinton we get a drug czar and the “police on the streets” program which local police forces still use to add to their payroll.

            Republicans have always been for free trade. Reagan opened our markets to the Chinese, Clinton gave us NAFTA.

            Republicans always paid lip service to being fiscally conservative and reducing government. Reagan tripled the national debt and doubled the size of government. GW Bush doubled the national debt and the size of government on top of that. Clinton came the closest to a balanced budget of any president in the last 30 years.

            Sounds like Clinton was a better conservative than anyone who claimed to be a conservative.

            Check this out – a quote from the conservative CATO institute -
            “But the fact is we have mounting deficits because George W. Bush is the most gratuitous big spender to occupy the White House since Jimmy Carter. One could say that he has become the “Mother of All Big Spenders.”
            http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3184

  • Norm

    How about we let the Bush tax cuts lapse. They obviously didn’t work.
    Then let’s sit down and take a good hard look at the tax laws, and strip off all of the fat and loop holes.
    The whole system is a disgrace.
    Unemployment comp. has nothing to do with taxes and should be treated as a separate issue.
    What’s being voted on is a “free money for everybody” bill which is all on the credit card. Let’s let our kids and grandkids pick up the tab.
    It’s party time!

    • BigBadJohn

      Way PAST time for a balanced budget amendment!!!!

      Any tax cuts should be preceded by spending cuts.
      Any new spending should be preceded by tax increases.
      No wars should be unfunded, taxes should rise as soon the president commits troops.

      Only then will the American public understand what it is costing them!

    • meteorlady

      I have to disagree with you on the tax cuts not working. We had more money to spend as a married couple with children. As a business owner I had some very advantageous depreciation. I also file as an LLC and that means that if I make over 250,000 I will pay another 3-5% in taxes. That’s a lot when you are tying to expand your business.

      I believe that the government should stop the spending and cut back on it’s size. They might also want to decrease corporation taxes, we are the second highest in the world today.

  • Norm

    Then there’s Ms Bachman:

    Conservative Tea Party Darling, Michelle Bachman, (R) Minnesota is known as a champion of spending cuts. However, true to the conservative bait and switch style of politics, she increased the costs of her staff by more than 25% in 2009. Who pays for this? That’s right – we do. It isn’t her first trip into the conservative territory of fiscal hypocrisy.
    While she is disgusted by all that big government and wasteful spending, she apparently wasn’t disgusted enough to turn down the quarter of a million dollars in federal subsidies for her very own family farm
    Bachman, who was said to be an embarrassment by a majority of her constituents has linked swine flu to Democrats, claimed she refused to fully complete the US Census, and has said that there is not one study that shows carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.
    Her hipocrisy is only rivaled by her idiocy and quest for attention.

    • J.M.R.

      norm have you checked what dick-taters wife is costing us the tax payers,because she a lazy a&&

      • http://?? Joe H.

        J.M.R.’
        How about we start by getting rid of about 21 “ladies in waiting”??? how about we get her mama off the public dole for taking care of their kids?? we have people on the payroll for that already!!!

  • John Galt

    Why do we allow government bills to be written in a way that equates to, for each step forward, we must take three steps backwards?
    All that should be on the table is, do we keep the tax rates as they are or do we change them? Each compromise contained in the bill should be a separate question voted on based upon the individual merit upon which it is based.
    Why not produce a poll for Americans listing each item contained in each bill to be voted on and see what the Voters think of the individual compromises their representatives accept in their name in order to pass these bills.

    • meteorlady

      Gads – they don’t want that – it’s would be too revealing and how would the hide all the pork and special interest legislation?

      You are correct though. We need to bombard our congressional representatives to pass a bill for no more pork.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        meteorlady,
        already been there and done that!!! We all need to keep on doing it till they get tired of it and get something passed!!!

  • eddie47d

    The Democrats and Republicans have their favorite pork so nothing will change unless the hidden agendas are written into law so that they will not be allowed. In the latest bill we all benefit from the cut of 2% in payroll tax. Yet in order to do that they have to borrow $14 billion from the Social Security fund. That alone should defeat this bill unless you want to rob Peter to pay Paul.

  • Palin12

    An interesting letter to the editor from today’s Las Vegas Review-Journal:
    ” A note to our progressive friends. There is a good reason President Obama did not eliminate tax breaks for “the rich”. He came to the realization that in two years he is going to be a very wealthy ex-president, and taxes on those speaking fees are a killer. Ahhh, altruistic dreams die painfully.”

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Palin12,
      How true, how very true!!!

  • jopa

    We have to extend the tax cuts for the wealthy in order to maintain this upsurge in job growth we have been experiencing for the last twelve years.This trickle down economics is fantastic.No lines at the employment offices and no food stamps seen lately.Oh my do you mean they have direct deposit of unemployment checks and are given credit cards instead of food stamps?Drat foiled again,well our grandchildren can work two or three jobs in order to pay the 700 billion tax break for the millionaires who may need the money for a new home in Europe or in the Carribean.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      jopa,
      don’t tell me you are admitting that your hero Nobummer lied when he said he created over what, 10 million jobs in the last two years??? Could it be that a progressive is having a guilt twinge for letting those lies go unchallenged in progressive circles???

  • http://www.TomBlairEA.com Thomas Avery Blair EA

    I find it remarkable that all the attention is about extending the so-called Bush tax cuts but that the “HI-Tax” is being ignored almost universally.

    In my profession I have dealt with well over a dozen suicides over the past 26 months or so, all of them involving loss of jobs and/or small businesses, “deadbeat” (because of the recession)
    FICO scores, personal and/or small business bankruptcies, loss of homes and resulting divorces and separations, etc. Nobody even discusses the implications of the “HI-Tax” but I suspect the reason for that fact is that it has been already enacted and cannot be rescinded in any manner. The mind-set seems to be “If we ignore it, maybe it will go away.”

    I personally prefer a particular brand of Colby-Jack cheeze, and paid a month ago around $3.60 for a package of same that contained 18 slices….last week, I paid the same price for another package of the same brand and type off cheese, but it only contained 11 slices, a 38.88% drop in quantity of the product purchased at the former 18 slices of product. That is the direct result of the “HI-Tax” and that rate of “taxation” is consistent with an ever-growing number of consumer products and services.

    Okay, I’ll tell you…just so you can look it up yourself…”HI-Tax” is “Hyper-Inflation ‘tax’” that reduces quantity and usually also quality without changing the package price itself…at least until the package is made smaller and the price on the package goes up at the same time.

    Between our government, the banking cartels and Wall Street all those of us who are trying to live on Main Street are suffering and will continue to suffer until our US greenbacks are no longer an international measure of value or worth. I figure China will wind up as the controller of all the world currency in the fairly near future…and we Americans on Main Street will all have to learn to “bite the bullet” and learn to live at a considerably-lower standard of living.

    I close with this question: What would you do next Monday if the Federal Reserve declared bankruptcy and all the “fiat money” you own in paper, via computer and in your pockets became worthless? What would you use for money if the greenback failed?

    At least food for thought, is it not?

    Respectfully submitted,

    Thomas Avery Blair, EA

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Thomas,
      For at least a little while I would use the silver coins I have purchased over the last ten years!!!

  • ONTIME

    The Tea Party is gaining membership and strength by the day thanks to the idiots still making these unbelievable “in your face” decisions” concerning your taxes, tax monies and future. Again, it’s as if they did not care to hear what statement was made by this last election but they will and the lesson is going to be harsh and punative, we the voters and taxpayers are just fed up with these elite, arrogant numbskulls. They want to take from you and keep whatever they have voted for themselves, they want to live above the laws they write for you, they want to live on in style even when the reasons for which they were cast from office had to do with abuse of office and breaking the law, they do not want to take responsibility for their acts. This to me indicates they are no better than criminals and have no right to abuse you, the taxpayer, the one who follows law and believes in justice for all. Remove these kinds of people from office and punish them for crimes they have commited while holding office, the need for integrity of elected officials is paramount.

  • 45caliber

    The politics behind the tax bill thing shows the sheer short sightedness of the politicians.

    Yes, it would be nice to get this straightened out. BUT … it is not the critical things we need done and neither side is working on those except as a by-product. The GOP wants it passed to show they support the people (a political gesture) while the Dems whan it stripped of the protection for the rich to show their supporters (a political gesture). The real thing we want is to cut expenses enough that we can cut the taxes because they will no longer be needed. But neither party wants to face doing that. They simply want the political gesture.

  • Viktor Leben

    When is Congress going to extend unemployment for the 99′ers ? I’m all out of unemployment up here in Connecticut !!

    Give Wall Street a few trillion but you can’t give Ol Viktor a few hundred each week so he can eat ?

    I use to help people out – even when I was getting unemployment ! But if Congress doesn’t pass an extension (a tier 5,6,7 and 8) I’m going to become one mean Scrooge !

    Ok TEA PARTY ! Let’s start with you guys first. Hey Mr. Ron Paul, your making over 178,000/yr – how about cutting your pay down by 30% ? And you too Mr. Rand Paul ! Because 30% of Americans are unemployed ! How about all you Tea Party Congress people take a 30% cut in your pay !

    That’s a good compromise – cut Congress and the Presidents pay by 30 % then you don’t have to extend unemployment ….

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Viktor,
      how about we cut about 40% from the Nobummer family expense account?? How about we ask them to vacation only in the US?? Other first families have done it why not them??

    • David H.

      How about you Viktor take care of your own life and quit whining about what other people have. If you spent more time in school or re-training and less time whining and crying about others rewards for their hard work, you would be better off . You whiny crybaby types make me sick. Grow up and be resposible for yourself for a change and quit living off everybody else.

  • http://garlitzbill@yahoo.com Bill Garlitz

    Let the tax cuts expire and increase import tax to help pay down the debt, and pay livable wage for workers who then can pay more tax to bring down the debt..Has any one ever thought about,,WHERE IS ALL THE MONEY! We borrowed, Government needs to be audited,Bush said he was keeping a eye on the money for CATRINA.Well where is it, In the Bush Stadium..Who was the CEO’s in charge of the open-ended contracts,to re-build IRAQ..Let Bush tax cuts expire, then review the tax structure.Re-set Morgage Rates to 5% and throw out all the contaminated morgages, let people stay in their homes for fixed reasonable rates.No wage increase for workers under Bush..While Petroleum rates went from $1.12 under Clinton to $4.62 under Bush. Then the Mortgage interest went up with no increase in wages..

  • http://garlitzbill@yahoo.com Bill Garlitz

    Let the Bush tax rate expire, Where did all the money go that was borrowed!Bring mortgage rates down to 4.5% and let people stay in their homes.Pay livable wages so people can pay and help TAX down the debt.Impose import tax to help pay down debt.Under Clinton Petroleum was $1.12 a gallon, Under Bush it was $4.62 a gallon and no one in the middle class had any wage increase, Then came the mortgage interest increase.People had to choose,High gas rate to drive to work, Or high balloon mortgage rates.There is no reason why the top 2% can not pay their fair share.President Eisenhauer had no problem with the increase..We will not survive without Middle Class..Tell Kissinger and his Bildeburg Group to share their wealth.HubCamel.

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