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Pentagon Report Finds No Long-Term Military Disruption If DADT Is Removed

December 2, 2010 by  

Pentagon report finds no long-term military disruption if DADT is removedA Pentagon review of "don't ask, don't tell" (DADT) found that ending the policy of banning openly gay individuals from serving in the military would have little lasting impact on the United States armed forces, according to media reports.

While the study group, which was chaired by Defense Department Counsel Jeh Johnson and Army General Carter Ham, concluded that eliminating the 17-year-old policy would have no widespread disruptive effects, Republican leaders and some military personnel want DADT to remain in place.

According to CNN, the Pentagon's research included surveys, focus groups and a variety of other assessment methods. Congress is expected to review the report this week. President Barack Obama has asked legislators to repeal DADT before the lame-duck session ends.

On CNN's "State of the Union" on Nov. 27, Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) defended the law. He claimed that the current policies are working because the military is at its highest point for recruitment and retention.

Senator Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) responded to McCain during an appearance on "Fox News Sunday."

"Gay members of the military have served for decades and there hasn't been a problem with our military being the finest in the world," she told the news provider.

A recent survey conducted by the Center for Security Policy and the Family Research Council revealed that 63 percent of active duty and retired military members oppose the overturning of DADT. 

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  • Doc Sarvis

    The majority of Americans and the majority of service men and women are in favor of the repeal of DADT. Secretary Gates said yesterday, as I was watching, that it is mostly the upper ranks of the military that have a problem with repealing DADT.

    The professionalism and discipline of our troops makes DADT a useless barrier to people who want to serve our nation. Troops would rather know who they are serving with as opposed to wondering who they are serving with.

    • castaway

      Yes Doc what do these people in upper ranks know about anything. Besides if they want to serve what the heck, they are just like you and I correct?

      • Robert Smith

        Outside of the bedroom how are gays different?

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Wrong again moron! Here are the words of the new Marine Corps Commandant James Amos:

          “I’m asking you to help his fellow Marines, this week to support Senator John McCain’s filibuster of the repeal of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, and to keep open homosexual aggression out of our military.

          There is nothing more intimate then young men and women – and when you talk of infantry, we’re talking our young men – laying out, sleeping along side one another and sharing death, fear and loss of brothers. I don’t know what the effect of that will be on cohesion. I mean, that’s what we’re looking at. It’s unit cohesion, it’s combat effectiveness. In other words, repealing Don’t Ask will cost lives in battle.”

          Take it also from this 20 year combat veteran, it will cost lives. They can’t give blood on the battlefield, due to them possibly being HIV positive. They’ll bring down a units morale. Many soldiers would want to shower at different times, sleep in different quarters, and wouldn’t be able to 100% trust them.

          Oh, I don’t want to forget my sources.

          http://www.prayinjesusname.org
          http://www.aipnews.com
          http://www.visiontoamerica.org

          I hope these will “enlighten” you as to what is going on. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Awwww samurai, you went and found a bunch of them there religious sights to support your claims.

            Oh well, all for naught. It has passed. The Pats won and the extreme right lost this weekend! It was a good weekend.

            Now you get to watch the REALITY of our military be the outstanding bunch of moral folks they are and accept the demise of DADT with the same grace as they showed when the ranks were integrated.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Yeah, let’s just wait moron! Wait till you see what the real soldiers do to your many boyfriends in drag when they find out they’re gay. Do you know what the word “purge” means? By the way, thanks for posting about 3 weeks after this went to archives. No Balls at all. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • castaway

    The enemy will love it when half the platoon it trying to hump each other foolish acts. I think a queer army is a great idea.

    • Doc Sarvis

      You have a very LOW opinion of the professionalism of our armed forces. I know that our troops have the discipline to represent our country with utmost character. I am shocked you would think otherwise.

      • Teresa

        Did you ever stop to think for one second that it was placed for THEIR safety as well! My whole family served and YES they wanted it kept there, they did NOT want it repealed. Common Sense: If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Now you think you OR the President know more than the top ranking officals in the military??? NO! There is other reasons this is put there as well.

        • Doc Sarvis

          You too, must think so little of our military that they can’t do well – or better, what other country’s military units have done with no problems. I would think your military family would be embarrased by that.

          • Teresa

            My family has served well and has given you the right to even be here to speak Sir. And btw, has it ever occured to you how this would damage our recruting, or weaken our military, maybe that is the whole plan? Yes WE do have the greatest military in the world and you are only trying to aid to weaken it! I understand your Presidents agenda and what his views are for our country, but if he is so proud of his sexual preferences he should just get up to his lil ole’ telepromter and tell the whole world how proud he is of his gay activities and quit forcing it down our throats…..I mean he is all about transparency in OUR lives but hush hush when it comes to his life….RIGHT….TOTAL HYPOCRITE!!!!!!! And this is why our military fought and still fighting….for THIS gay commandar in cheif….please!!!!!!!!! There is a Lieutenant Colonel Terry Lankin sitting in jail awaiting court martial because he will not even allow his Birth Certificate to be released….so don’t you dare sit there and speak to me about this, for this man has NO concern for the military only his personal agenda!!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Actually, this will help in recruitment. As I said earlier, I would rather know who I am serving with as opposed to wondering who I am serving with. Also, I am sure homosexuals would rather serve openly than be in fear of getting kicked out if their lifestyle were revealed or have that held over them as a threat.
            Our President is a husband of a beautiful intelligent woman and father of two girls. I can’t imagine why you would imply he is a homosexual. Someday we will probably have a homosexual President, if we have not had one already. He did the right thing to have the military commission decide on how to move forward on this issue and top military are testifying right now to congress in favor of repealing DADT.
            This will make our military even stronger.

          • Teresa

            Doc, you can continue to close your blind eye to your Presidents sexual preferences all you would like but still does not change the fact to the matter that he IS and HAS had gay relations regardless if he is married and has children. If a person chooses to be gay so be it, but that is their choice and should not be forced upon us! You cry that we God fearing Americans are always trying to instill our beliefs upon you, not true….we fear for our souls and for this country and our children and the morals we instill upon them, this country was founded on Christian beliefs and once the system takes away all the morals and becomes politically correct in all actions then you have no value, you are no longer the greatest nation because who and what are you really fighting for?

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            [offensive post removed]

          • 45caliber

            Repeal of DADT will HELP recruitment?? Are you mad? Wait, you’ve already answered that question.

            At best it will increase some gay recruitment but it will seriously lower normal recruitment. And it will encourage at least a quarter of the existing military people to get out. There is no way that there will be enough gays who will volunteer to take their places; there simply isn’t that many in the US.

            So your comments are null and void.

          • Robert Smith

            From Teresa: “we fear for our souls and for this country and our children”

            Wow Teresa, that’s a lot of fear of a loving god. I find that kinda sad.

            “this country was founded on Christian beliefs”

            Nobody has brought forth a christian quote in our Constitution. I’m presuming that it didn’t say anything about christanity as an exception when there was that discussion in the first ammendment.

            Teresa continues to blather: “once the system takes away all the morals and becomes politically correct in all actions then you have no value,…”

            Really? Quite frankly I’m not going to be a slave to your god. I find it appalulling that one of the big ten is that HE is the only one, etc.

            Rob

        • Robert Smith

          WoW!!!! We have the best trained, best equipped, toughest fighting force in the world and the folks from your family are scared of a gay person because they might see their pee pee…

          How tough is that?

          DADT is just another excuse for hate and a “them and us” mentality. We are all Americans. I find it very sad that just as there some christians who proclaim themselves to be “better” christians because they hate gays, there are some Americans who proclaim themselves to be better than others because they hate gays.

          Rob

          • Teresa

            you are so wrong… It is nothing more than the gov. trying to Force the “politicaly correct” Liberal garbage down our throat again. This WILL effect our military in a negative way along with our morals on our nation rather you want to willingly accept it or not. As far as me being any better than anyone else, you are wrong, I will stand judgement for my actions just like everyone else on this earth. If a Christian claims they Hate gays, they are not Christian…I do not hate anyone…I do however think it is wrong in Gods eyes but I try not to judge, it is not my place to. If you are truly an American like you claim, then you would visit the hospitals, ask them yourself, see what they tell you to your face about this. You do not have to take my word for it….this will weaken our military!

          • 45caliber

            Teresa:

            You are correct. It is all PC. And it is only to gain more votes. It has nothing to do with the military or its mission. It is simply politics as usual. And they could care less if we even had a military as long as we aren’t invaded by people who would kick them out of office. After all, those politicians are elite. They are certain of it. The rest of us are – at best – trash is we don’t agree that they are the only ones to lead us … regardless of where they lead us.

          • http://naver sook young

            You are very wrong Robert. My mother, sisters, and brother’s in law are either atheists or buddhists and they feel the same ways about the gays and their agendas. They feel that their ways of life are perverse in nature and should be separated from society as a whole. I tell you this because you are always attacking Christians for these postings. How do you know if the people posting negative comments about gays are Christian? I think you just want a country with no Christianity in it at all. If that happened, we would be a very poor country indeed. Please tell me your sources and something more than factually unsound rantings from your obviously undereducated mind. Also, please try to look at the sources that my husband posted. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            ROFL….:-) Sook asks: “How do you know if the people posting negative comments about gays are Christian?”

            Goddess Bless America! That’s a good one. You pat each other on the back almost like football players do, just a little higher.

            BTW, hate is NOT a family value.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            But in your case ignorance is!!

          • http://naver sook young

            Neither is the childish ignorance that you bring to this site. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

            P.S. Did you answer my husbands last post with his sites for his information?

          • crystal

            You obviously didn’t serve in the military. I did and honorably so. Homosexuals make people miserable, because at the end of the day, a civilian can go home and close their door, military personnel have to eat, shower, and bunk down with these perverts.

          • Robert Smith

            Well shucks Crystal, I think hate and calling people who have done nothing to you “perverts” is a perversion.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Well rob, you moron, if you haven’t guessed by now no one is listening to your perverted comments. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Teresa

    Former Navy Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt just read the full Pentagon report on repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and here’s his analysis:

    “Don’t believe the phony liberal media reports that 70% of troops support open homosexual service, because that statistic included ‘mixed’ feelings. A closer reading of the fine print in the newly released Pentagon survey shows our troops answered as follows:

    Q45. If you had a leader whom you believed was gay or lesbian…9% positive, 91% negative or mixed impact on unit’s performance.

    Q68c. 85% of Marine Combat Arms, 75% of Army Combat Arms, 64% overall say Negative, Very Negative, or Mixed impact on unit trust if DADT is repealed.

    Q90. 29% would take no action if assigned open showers with homosexuals. 71% would shower at other times, complain to leadership or chaplains, don’t know or do “something else” [including violence].

    Q81. 24% will leave the military or think about leaving sooner than planned. (One half million troops will QUIT the service early, destroying our national security.)

    Q80. 6% will positively recommend service to others after repeal. 94% feel negative, mixed, no effect, or don’t know about recommending military service to others. (Destroying recruiting efforts.)

    Q66. If open homosexuality impacts combat performance, is the impact…9% positive, 91% negative or mixed impact.

    Q71. 11% feel positive or very positive about permitting open homosexuality in field environment or out at sea. 60% negative or mixed. 19% no effect.

    Q73. 5% say repeal would positively boost morale. 41% say negative or mixed impact morale. Rest no effect or don’t know.

    In summary, the real statistics prove our nation faces a NATIONAL SECURITY DISASTER if Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is repealed, and open homosexual aggression is forced upon our troops against their will.”

    • Doc Sarvis

      If the high “negative or mixed” values were divided into two categories (1.negative 2.mixed) this Might mean something.

      • crystal

        Doc Sarvis, you are completely blind.

    • Norm

      Teresa
      When I was in the service I don’t remember it being a very democratic organization. Orders flow down and are’nt determined by popularity polls. As far as gays being leaders – check out major league sports.
      Many of those big mucho men are queerer than a three dollar bill.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        norm,
        we’re talking about the military service here! You were in the boyscouts!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Yes Joe, “we’re talking about the military service here!”

          Well, the military service YOU presume to know. Remember, that’s the portion of the military where someone might see their pee pee and they don’t like that. They will quit rather than be in a shower where someone might see them.

          Big tough military guys Joe knows, ROFL. So tough they run away from someone looking at them. What are they so scared of, Joe?

          Did you know that homophobes are likley to have gay tendancies themselves?

          Here is a definition: ho·mo·pho·bic [ hmə fṓbik ] adjective
          Definition: having irrational hatred of homosexuality: showing an irrational hatred, disapproval, or fear of homosexuality, gay and lesbian people, or their culture

          BTW, Coretta Scott King stated that “Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood.

          Of course: “Various psychoanalytic theories explain homophobia as a threat to an individual’s own same-sex impulses, whether those impulses are imminent or merely hypothetical. This threat causes repression, denial or reaction formation.[54]”
          The references and footnotes can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#Social_homophobia

          Rob

          Rob

    • Doc Sarvis

      When Blacks were integrated into the military the public was very much opposed to that, yet it was the right thing to do.

      • 45caliber

        Why was it “the right thing to do”? I’ve never had anyone actually explain that comment to me satisfactorally.

        • Robert Smith

          Ah, so you support bigotry and the “separate but equal” garbage.

          BTW, “Jesus continue to be portrayed as white, blond and blue eyed, when there is scientific and biblical proof that he was a man of color with wooly hair?”

          You can check it out at: http://blackjesus.blogs.com/

          I googled “Was Jesus Black? Wow! I didn’t have a hint that there was so much convincing evidence out there. Scientific and biblical proof can be had.

          Rob

          • crystal

            I’m Black and I know that anybody can put up a website. This has nothing to do with Jesus. Stay on topic.

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “This has nothing to do with Jesus.”

            Who’s name is all the hate against gays coming from?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Still way too much kool aid rob! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Oh, and I don’t expect you to understand equality. I just get that unAmerican feeling about you 45. A person of your caliber too. Surprising…

          Rob

    • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

      Doc Sarvis,

      We may already had a gay president.

      James Buchanan
      Here You go for you true historians!
      For many years in Washington, D.C. prior to the presidency, James Buchanan lived with William Rufus King, who was earlier Vice President under Franklin Pierce in 1853. King was referred to by Andrew Jackson as “Miss Nancy” while Aaron Brown called him “Buchanan’s better half.” Buchanan actually wrote long, intimate letters to King.
      There were many rumors at the time that Buchanan was a homosexual. He is, after all, the only president to never marry in his life. But whether or not he was a homosexual continues to be a point of heated debate between historians. (Steve Tally discusses King and Buchanan’s relationship in more depth in his book Bland Ambition: From Adams to Quayle–The Cranks, Criminals, Tax Cheats, and Golfers Who Made It to Vice President.)”

      “Some historians have speculated that King may have been homosexual, and that he had a long-term intimate relationship with President-to-be James Buchanan (it is not disputed that the two lived together for 16 years in Washington). It is also said that King’s detractors in the Senate referred to him as “Aunt fancy” and “Miss Nancy” (both language referring to homosexual men in the nineteenth century). The theory is controversial and a source of debate among Buchanan and King historians. Historian and author James Loewen is one of the theory’s better-known proponents. Presidential historian Michael Beschloss when asked by C-SPAN founder and host Brian Lamm if the United States had ever had a gay president responded that the term “gay” was a twentieth century construct. Undeterred, Lamm rephrased his question, asking if the nation had had a homosexual president. Beschloss replied that it appears Buchanan and King may have been homosexual.”

      Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Has_there_ever_been_a_gay_US_president#ixzz16yo9QV00

      • 45caliber

        It is a heated debate only between gay historians. They try to insist that every important person since histroy started was gay. Everyone else accepts them as they were.

        • Robert Smith

          Hey 45, you posted: “It is a heated debate only between gay historians.”

          It looks to me like you don’t want a world with debate, but that you would rather have proclimations from an invisible being. BELIEVE AND YOU SHALL SEE.

          For me it works the other way: If I see it I’ll believe.

          Ahhhhh, but you appear to be so intolerant of any way but your own.

          Rob

          • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

            Robert Smith,

            What do you expect from these mental giants?They believe the world and the universe were created in seven days,imposible.Quasars are the furthest known objects from our planet.They are 10 to 15 billion light years away.They emit radio waves,that takes 10 to 15 billion years to reach earth.The universe has to be at least 15 billion years old.You can’t tell that to Samurai,JoeH, and Sook Young.I also think Samurai and Sook young are the same person,not husband and wife.Too many factors give themselves away.I doubt either one of them are what they say they are.He is not a veteran or she a nurse.You can spot liars a mile off.What do you think?

          • Robert Smith

            Hi Coal Minor,

            You ask what I think. I think I’ll respond to what I see posted and comment on that as much as I can.

            From what I’ve observed on this forum sook seems to be too narrowly focused on hate to not all the high fives and how many state thier allegance to their god and America. From the hate they spout I don’t think they really know what the reality is.

            For god the hateful one they portray isn’t in many christian bibles I’ve seen, except when their god gets the world all flooded and forces the kind of Noah into incest. Then a couple of cities were destroyed, and then there was Lott knocking up his girls… Well, maybe it isn’t such a loving god.

            And, as far as being American Patriots they are outright lying. In America it’s Constitutional that all Americans are treated equally under law. That means there is no Constitutional reason to deny same sex marriage unless (in the case of breeding) older women who are beyond child baring age and injured vets are denied marriage because they can’t breed.

            Anyhow,apparently the views expressed by the extreme right around here (what little there is when one gets beyond the dittohead posts and gratuitous insults) are contrary to their own alleged bible and American values as set out by our forfathers.

            Rob

    • Donna

      Im am completely with you Teresa. I am from a military family. My grandfather served, my father (served 21 years), I served, my brother, my sister and my son is in now (7 years so far). The liberals twist any and all polls and statistics. They want people to believe their propaganda to weaken all aspects of our military and our nation. This certainly will not help but hinder our military and nation.

      I imagine the only people that would be “for this” besides the left in Washington is a vast majority of young people with liberal ideas that has never served their country before. I cant say they think rationally, or intelligently enough about their own lives let alone our nation or what is good for the military. LOOK at what decisions they have made according to what they believe should be good for our country as it is. Most young people dont know history, politics, finances, cant pay their own insurance so they want to be on mommy and daddies insurance until ??????? It is the generation of “me” and entitlements. AND they have no modesty what so ever either. It is the generation of exploitation.

      You change the face of the military, you weaken our military. There will be a lack of respect as we are already beginning to have as a country because of who is in the WH, what is happening in the WH now and some of the changes being implemented….

      • Doc Sarvis

        The exact same arguments used to keep from integrating the service many years ago. Fear of moving forward and doing the right thing that will help our services become stronger.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          [offensive post removed]

        • 45caliber

          Doc:

          I’m certain this will start a big argument but I don’t care. I don’t have to answer them.

          But … do you know WHY the service was integrated? It wasn’t due to the acceptance of blacks. It was because the blacks needed others behind them before they would fight! Otherwise they ran away. The only black unit I’m familiar with in WWII that did any good was the one at the Battle of the Bulge. And they fought because the battalion right behind them had orders to shoot them if they tried to run.

          • 45caliber

            I’m not saying all blacks were this way – and that blacks today are this way. But most were then and many are now. That’s why black gangs today are dangerous – they want weapons when you are unarmed and numbers in their favor. Facts. Now call me racist and then ask some of my black friends if I am.

            I’m simply tired of your BS.

          • Robert Smith

            Sigh .45. Your knowledge of history sure is quite lacking.

            Check out the Tuskegee Airmen at: http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=1356

            Check out the Red Ball Express at: http://jodavidsmeyer.com/combat/bookstore/redballexpress.html

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Do your “black” friends know what you say around here?

            Let’s see… Looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, quacks, likes water!

            Yup, racist comes to mind.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            I think rob is the racist by saying “black” all the time. I guess he doesn’t know what African American means. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • crystal

          Doc Sarvis, black men were being drafted into the military. It’s a big difference when you draft a race of people and then segregate them.

      • Robert Smith

        The Israli and Australian armys don’t seem to have much trouble with respect.

        I’ll bet your military ancestors wanted to keep blacks out of the military too.

        Rob

        • Teresa

          Robert Smith…you sir are a hypocrite…let me introduce myself…I am the great great niece of Sgt. Alvin York…daughter of Marine/USS Enterprise…niece of 10 uncles served. Grand-daughter of a “white” woman born in 1899 that was raised on a cotton field in TX w/blacks, 16 cousins served in Dessert Storm. My fathers family dates back to Robert Davis of whom was here 40 yr before the Mayflower….so before you start preaching to me about racism or your liberial tactics if there is One thing I do know, it’s what my family has taught me for the Love of this country! And you Sir are here BECAUSE of their sweat and blood and don’t you EVER forget that!

          • 45caliber

            And you are right.

          • Robert Smith

            Awwwww Teresa, may I simply deny your garbage because that’s what has been done so often to those of us who don’t think the same way you do?

            “One thing I do know, it’s what my family has taught me for the Love of this country! And you Sir are here BECAUSE of their sweat and blood and don’t you EVER forget that!”

            Lots of our forefathers faught, some died.

            You still post like a hateful person in the name of your god.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Alvin York faught so you can appear to be a bigot with your free speech. I got it.

            Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Site some sources to back up what you are saying, Rob you moron. Teresa, good job and keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey samurai, how ya do’n?

            You wife wants to know how I know so many around here are christian.

            Can you give her a clue?

            For GODDESS AND COUNTRY.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            So how do you know, moron? If someone states they are a Christian, fine, but how do you know about everyone on this site? Remember, my wife said things about her family, so are you going to attack their beliefs too? Soory rob, but Teresa is right and you know it. You’re just po’d because she kicked your arse. Remember, even the Commandant of the Marine Corps don’t want them in either. Well, how about that. A 4 start general actually broke ranks with Obama bin Laden. I guess writing to people and praying really do work, don’t they rob? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: ” Soory rob, but Teresa is right and you know it. ”

            Actually it was Chrystal who said anyone can put up a website. She appears to doubt the Tuscgee Airmen and the Red Ball express. I’ll bet it is even easier to put a ranting false post on this forum.

            Rob

        • crystal

          If they wanted to keep blacks out of the military, they wouldn’t have drafted them.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Donna,
        This is only an attempt by Nobummer to garner votes for 2012! the news lately has been talking about how the gays were turning from Nobummer as he had not kept his promises to the gays. His people will make sure that poll says anything they want it to say, I assure you!

        • Robert Smith

          From Joe, “This is only an attempt by Nobummer to garner votes for 2012″

          And when he gets more votes that Sarah or John it’s called an election that he won.

          That’s part of a DEMOCRACY! Serving those in America. It’s clear that you fear that there are enough gays who will suppport him than right wing nuts to support Sarah.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            that or than? More votes THAN! will never happen he’s gasping for air as we type!!

    • 45caliber

      Teresa:

      If we did lose 24% of our military due to this would we get enough gays to replace them? No. H#ll no. And all know it.

      With our military as understrength as it is now, Oblama wants to cut it even more. We can’t even support ONE small war with what we have now without calling out the National Guard – which was never intended to fight a war except in emergencies.

      But a lot of people are in favor of this simply because they are too ignorant to realize what is going on. Sad isn’t it.

      • Robert Smith

        .45 says: “We can’t even support ONE small war with what we have now without calling out the National Guard – which was never intended to fight a war except in emergencies.”

        Too bad Bush didn’t figure that out before he sent so many of our kids to die.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Don’t forget, he even had the support of the libs also moron. Didn’t Hillary, Nancy, Barrack, etc, vote to go to these wars? Get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: “… Didn’t Hillary, Nancy, Barrack, etc, vote to go to these wars?”

            Yes, they were LIED to by the Bush administration. That’s been proven time and time again. Please give my regards to 10 Downing Street. But oops, I can’t imigine you seeing that.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            So sorry there, moron. Remember the intelligence that was gathered on Iraq and Afghanistan was passed down by the Clinton administration and many of our allies. If the intelligence gathered were lies, then that means that Clinton was the one lying. Get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberto concorny,
            you mean you support people that are so easily lied to as to be GULLIBLE????? Why didn’t Nobummer vote for it? what did he see that was so different? Perhaps his muslim friends convinced him??? Or was it muslim family??? Or favorite Imam??

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “Afghanistan was passed down by the Clinton administration and many of our allies.”

            Yes it was! The Bush team knew all about bin Laden and did NOTHING about him.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Bush did nothing about him? Rob, your such an idiot! What do you think was one of the reasons we went to Afghanistan? I still remember having to go “cave exploring” to try to find him. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • JZOOM

    JUST WHAT WE NEED CORN HOLING IN THE FOX HOLES . LIKE I SAID WE ARE BECOMING TO SENSATIVE ON SOME OF THESE MATTERS. WHAT’S NEXT
    DON’T TEACH ME TO BE VIOLENT IN THE MILITARY?

    • Doc Sarvis

      You are another one who has a very LOW opinion of the professionalism and discipline of our military. I think we have the best military in the world and knowing who you are serving with as opposed to wondering who you are serving with will only make us stronger.

      • 45caliber

        I didn’t care who I served with in the military as long as they did their jobs. On the other hand why should I want to know things like their sexual orientation? I couldn’t care less then or now. Most soldiers today are the same. I served with gays who were good soldiers – and I served with a couple who weren’t. The problem is that those who want the rules changed for the military don’t CARE if they do their jobs or not. They simply want to expand their agenda. And too many of those pushing this consider the military not as a defense for our country but as a sex club.

        • Kinetic1

          45,
          You any many others here just don’t seem to get it. It’s not that Gays want to hold a gay pride military parade, they just don’t want to be forced to pretend any more. You said you served with gay men and it didn’t matter to you. Did they tell you they were gay? As it stands now, you could have forced their removal from service, IF you could have proven they were. Maybe you had an argument with one of your platoon mates. Nothing to do with his hitting on you and nothing to do with his ability to serve, you just don’t like him. Any other soldier would be safe and you’d just have to buck up and accept him, but here you have a way to get rid of him for good. Is that fair? If a soldier serves well, does not flaunt his sexuality and supports his platoon, why should he be thrown out?

          When women asked to be sent in to fight there were all sorts of people complaining about the eventuality of sex in the fox holes. Oh, our soldiers would be too “busy” to see the enemy coming! Needless to say, that’s not reality. The military has rules and you know enough to follow them. So what makes you think gays will be any different? The same rules of conduct apply, don’t they?

      • Dan az

        Dic survus
        The problem that you seem to forget or wish to ignore is that we need sharp minds on the field not minds that only think with there dicks.You sir are one of those.The only grunts on the field should be the boots hitting the ground shooting not looking at someones azz in front of them.It is obvious that you never once even considered joining the brave ones that protect your azz so please dont bother giving your opinion to us buecause we know which side of the field you play in.By the way you still havent said what Doc is!

        • Robert Smith

          I’ll submit that we have folks who deal in reality on our battlefields, not folks who tend to let their god do it for them.

          After all, isn’t that what the muslums are doing?

          Shucks if I were samurai I might tack on a notion like; Or are you muslum? They hate gays too.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Is this because your wife is actually your husband? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Norm

    The military, not the congress, should decide what’s best for them.
    In these days of forever wars, I personally think we need as many troops as can me mustered regardless of sex and sexual preference.

    • http://naver samurai

      I do agree with you Norm, that we do need all the troops we can get, but only if they meet the qualifications to serve. Being gay bans you from service then so be it. It’s the law of the land, so get over it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        samurai says about gays in the military: ” It’s the law of the land”

        Not for long.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Soory rob, wrong again. As long as 25% of the military personnel say that they’ll get out if the law is changed, I really don’t forsee it happening. If it does happen, you think that we’re overextended now, just wait and see what happens if those 25% do get out. Rob, you’re such a misguided moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            In what timeframe will this mysterious bigotted 25% leave the military? Will they desert at that moment? Will they wait for their hitch to be up? Will they tell their commmanders they are straight and get out that way? Will they go for a Klinger section 8? Will you count them out when they retire?

            Eventually everyone gets out of the military. So, what timeframe are you talking about?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberto,
            you are showing your ignorance. guess what’s going to happen if the service looses 25% of their combat experienced troops in say a period of six months to a year??? A lot of your gay buddies are gonna die right along with some dam fine straight men!!

          • Robert Smith

            Joe H, can you show us an example of ANY military organization that had a bunch of folks pick up and run from their careers because they had to serve with a gay person?

            There are examples of militaries that shine and accepted gays. Australia and Isrial come to mind. They didn’t have any problems, why will we?

            Or is your “theory” about 25% just made up like so many of your “arguments” around here?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Soory rob, but what I’ve stated is true.

            http://www.AIPNews.org

            Look at this site and you’ll change your mind. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • FlaJim

    Teresa’s quite right. In addition, the whole study is flawed because there were so many questions where servicemen were asked how they would deal with this as though it was already a done deal instead of straight ‘yes’ or ‘no’, ‘agree’ or ‘disagree’ answers to simple questions.

    Regardless, over 70% of those currently in combat are dead flat opposed. Doesn’t matter how the pollsters shaded the questions.

    Although 25% of the military as a whole would refuse to reenlist, a previous study showed that over 40% of the officer class would resign their commissions. Servicemen cannot serve adequately without a qualified officer class.

    And y’all should just ignore ‘Doc Sarvis.’ He’s always wrong and just loves pulling your chain. If he was ignored, maybe he’d go away.

    • Robert Smith

      First a “democratic” survey is taken in the military and the right screams to wait for it. Then when it isn’t like they wanted they attack the survey.

      I guess the Supreme Court was asking the wrong question when Bush stole the elections.

      Rob

      • http://naver sook young

        Robert, why do you keep talking about President Bush when he isn’t the president and Obama is? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

  • BABUSHSKA

    Repealing DADT would be the biggest bastion conquered by the gay and lesbian groups who continue to seek legitimization of their deviant lifestyle. After a victory won in the military sector, there will be no stone unturned as they continue to advance their cause through every court in this country, including the church. Wake up people…the legitimization of homosexuality threatens the very basis of human society. To the argument that we have to be all-inclusive, I say NEVER! “The homosexual, like the rest of us, has to be turned toward Christ and the sacraments. Some devils are driven out only by prayer and fasting.” (quote from Ralph McInerny, Lifeissues.net)

    • Doc Sarvis

      Most of the homosexuals I know are Christians and great people.

      • smithington

        Read chapter 1 of the book of Romans

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        True Christians are not part of your [offensive term removed] General Doc Sarvis, True Christians obey the Laws of God, you know the Ten Commandants.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Ah yes, the Ten Commandments say nothing about gays or homosexuals. True Christians are loving individuals who care about humanity. That describes those that I am talking about above, among others.

          • http://naver sook young

            Soory Doc Sarvis, but a Christian is to be anti gay and pro life. If you read also Leviticus, you’ll see what God says about those being gay. Also, a Christian is one who goes by God’s Word (the Bible) and by all the teachings of Jesus. There is nowhere in the Bible, I’ve read it cover to cover many times, does it accept this kind of behavior. The liberals hav already tried saying it is DNA or a mental disease, but have been proven as false stipulations. Now you all want to say things from the Bible that are either false or you just pick apart what it says to fit your childish and ignorant agendas that have nothing to do with God, but only with liberalism and humanism. Both of which are against what it says in the Bible to do. Please try to state some facts and sources to give your postings more credibility. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            sook says: “but a Christian is to be anti gay and pro life.”

            If you are so pro-life why do you allow so many Americans to die without health care?

            Rob

          • smithington

            Did you read chapter 1 of Romans, or are you afraid of what GOD says?

          • http://naver samurai

            Once again rob shows us how much a moron he is. Remember, pro life deals with letting babies live and being anti abortion. If people don’t have health care, tell them to get off of their lazy arses and get a job. Self reliance and personal responsibility. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            That’s so “christian” of you.

            I just love the way you PRESUME that so many who need health care are some kind of social slacker.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Hey sook! You posted: ” If you read also Leviticus, you’ll see what God says about those being gay.”

            I have.

            When is the last time you wore a blend of fabrics?

            When is the last time you had a cheese burger?

            How many kids have you killed because it says you can in Leviticus?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but many people die without any healthcare coverage because they are too lazy to work, don’t want to change their spending habits, or just want some unconstitutional handout. What part of our founding principles of self reliance, personal responsibility, and smaller government don’t you understand? You’re not a good American rob. A true American believes in earning everything they have and not handouts. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            There you go again, samurai: “What part of our founding principles of self reliance, personal responsibility, and smaller government don’t you understand?”

            The part where the right wing insists that the “life” in “Life, Liberty, and…” applies to the unborn but you just don’t seem to give a darn about the born.

            Can’t you have the same thing mean the same thing or is your advocacy so corrupted and twisted that all you can deal in is name calling and slogans.

            For example I’d like to call you a moron also but I’m of the opinion that would be an insult to morons.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but my points are dead on and historically accurate. Why aren’t yours? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver sook young

        They cannot be Christians if they are gay. It would be impossible for them to be Christians if they are living in rebellion to the Bible. They’re only Christians in name only and will get no reward in the afterlife. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • smithington

          Amen! Always stand firm according to GOD’S Word, no matter the outcome.

          • http://naver sook young

            I always do and thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          From sook: “They cannot be Christians if they are gay.”

          They can’t be YOUR kind of christian.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, moron! Remember, a Christian is supposed to live by the Bible and all the teachings of Jesus. You just believe in picking and choosing what you want to believe and that’s not how it works. If you believe a certain way, that’s fine, but don’t say you believe these things and call yourself a Christian. It is inconceivable to say you are a Christian and live in rebellion to the Bible. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Thank goodness that samurai’s verison of the bible isn’t anything official in America. In fact the Constitution doesn’t allow that.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong again, moron! Don’t you remember “Freedom of Religion?”
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Let’s see what Sook Young Wife of the Samurai has to say: “They cannot be [Sook's kind of]Christians if they are gay.”

          But Sook there are many many other kinds of christians in America and the world. Take Bishop Spong who is another kind of christian.

          Take a look at what Bishop Spong has to say from here http://johnshelbyspong.com/bishopspongon_theTerribleTexts.aspx: “HOMOPHOBIA:
          “…the men of Sodom…to the last man, surrounded the house; and they called to Lot, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.’” (Lev. 18:22)
          This story that portrays all of the men of Sodom as eager to gang-rape two heavenly visitors has been used to condemn faithful and loving homosexual relationships. A story in which a father, in order to protect the Middle Eastern code of hospitality, can offer his virgin daughters to be gang-raped, and still be regarded by both God and the author of this story as righteous, has been turned by the prejudices of later interpreters into an anti-homosexual text that feeds the basest side of our humanity. How is that possible unless prejudice overwhelms rationality and moral judgment?

          The church has sought to portray Jesus as sharing an anti-female bias that includes a commitment to celibacy. But there is a repressed tradition that counters this teaching, in the story of Mary, the sister of Martha, anointing Jesus’ feet (John 12:1-8). The only thing that would have made such an act acceptable in that day is the knowledge she was his wife.”

          Rob is back. And remember the great hero Lot knocked his daughers up as if it was OK. Seems kind of a strange hero to me.

          So, when presented with two views of christanity, yours sook, and Bishop Spong’s I see hate in yours and love in Bishop Spong’s. I’ve heard that Jesus was a loving guy so it must be Bishop Spong who is right and sook young and your chronies who are dealing with some self serving form of false christanity. That’s the view of your version of “christanity” from the outside.

          Oh, and how’s come from a god that says “be frutfil and multiply” celibicy is considered your most ritious tennant (expept for priests who rape chldren)? I’d think that denial of sex would be the ultimate perversion. For priests who commit that ultimate perversion it really is only a small step to raping children.

          That’s some christanity you got there sook. And you asked why I didn’t like it. BTW, it is the perversion (by the definition of your own brand of christanity) I hate, not the individual, unless they are really really making an effort to corrupt Americans with their version. And now maybe you will understand why I consider so many around here to be perverts.

          And you and your husband sure seem to be at the head of the flock. BTW, sheep are interesting. In the end they either get sheered or eaten.

          Rob

          It would be impossible for them to be Christians if they are living in rebellion to the Bible. They’re only Christians in name only and will get no reward in the afterlife. Thank you.

          • Robert Smith

            Oops I missed dealing with the rest of sook’s post: “It would be impossible for them to be Christians if they are living in rebellion to the Bible.”

            Much of what I’ve read in the christian bible is that a loving relationship of the christian god AND thouse around you is the way to go. Mother Taresa is an example often held up to the point where sainthood is advocated. Yet I’ve seen so many around here expressing hate at the notion of helping others, particularly with health care.

            sook says: “They’re only Christians in name only and will get no reward in the afterlife. Thank you.”

            Please qualify that with the statment that goes something like: “In MY version of christanity it is built around hate, selfishness, and a corruption of the passages in the Bible.”

            Thank you for your attention. I’ll now get back to responding to your spewing hate and misinformation.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            I guess you didn’t know that she was pro life and didn’t tolerate the gay agenda. She was all about bringing them back to God and straightening them out. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • Dan az

        Well doc that kinda says it all dosent it if you walk like a duck look like a duck smill like a duck just maybe you are one.You have a good ol time with your boy friends tonight Quack!

        • Robert Smith

          Interesting “christian” argument, Dan. I think I’ll start posting gratuitous insults, call myself a christian, and spew hate in the name of an invisible god. Oh! For more interest I’ll toss in some super patriotism and use that to offer hate and bigotry for one of the best fighting forces in the world.

          BTW, can you cite any problems with the forces, particulalry Australia and Isral, that have already integrated homosexuals into their armed forces? Can you give us any examples of how their fighters have fallen apart because some gay person may see their pee pee?

          Such silly, lying, and abusive arguments we hear from the extreme right.

          Rob

    • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

      Babushaska,

      Do you no that 1500 animal species practice homosexuality? Are they committing sin?

      October 2006 16:28

      Homosexuality is quite common in the animal kingdom, especially among herding animals. Many animals solve conflicts by practicing same gender sex.
      From the middle of October until next summer the Norwegian Natural History Museum of the University of Oslo will host the first exhibition that focuses on homosexuality in the animal kingdom.

      “One fundamental premise in social debates has been that homosexuality is unnatural. This premise is wrong. Homosexuality is both common and highly essential in the lives of a number of species,” explains Petter Boeckman, who is the academic advisor for the “Against Nature’s Order?” exhibition.

      The most well-known homosexual animal is the dwarf chimpanzee, one of humanity’s closes relatives. The entire species is bisexual. Sex plays an conspicuous role in all their activities and takes the focus away from violence, which is the most typical method of solving conflicts among primates and many other animals.

      “Sex among dwarf chimpanzees is in fact the business of the whole family, and the cute little ones often lend a helping hand when they engage in oral sex with each other.”

      Lions are also homosexual. Male lions often band together with their brothers to lead the pride. To ensure loyalty, they strengthen the bonds by often having sex with each other.

      Homosexuality is also quite common among dolphins and killer whales. The pairing of males and females is fleeting, while between males, a pair can stay together for years. Homosexual sex between different species is not unusual either. Meetings between different dolphin species can be quite violent, but the tension is often broken by a “sex orgy”.

      Homosexuality is a social phenomenon and is most widespread among animals with a complex herd life.

      Among the apes it is the females that create the continuity within the group. The social network is maintained not only by sharing food and the child rearing, but also by having sex. Among many of the female apes the sex organs swell up. So they rub their abdomens against each other,” explains Petter Bockman and points out that animals have sex because they have the desire to, just like we humans.

      • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

        Do you know?

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Which one of these mentioned animals do you and your family come from coal miner?

          • Robert Smith

            Thanks for the insightful comment about an issue in America.

            Shows me hate instead of an interest in what’s really “moral.”

            How can hate be a moral value? It must be a lot of work grinding on people you don’t even know. But hey… If that’s what you want me to think of your version of christanity I’ll watch for a moment, and then get on the pleasent things.

            Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Sorry, but rump ranging animals are totally different then the subject at hand. These animals don’t affect our nation or society as a whole. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Gays don’t have any more impact than heterosexuals. Actually they have much less impact in that they are only about 10% of the population.

            BTW, can you tell us how much impact the extreme right has had?

            Let me guess!

            Bush tossed our economy into the dumper.

            Thr right supported a war based on lies.

            The right is encouraging hate and bigotry.

            Yup, and the gays wanna hold hands and have a life together.

            Let’s see… Which has a bigger impact on society?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, you’re about as ignorant as that animal lover Coal Miner! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          coal dung,
          What is it that separates us from the animals? The ability to know the difference between right and wrong! Those animals don’t have that ability!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Joe H.! You posted about animals: “The ability to know the difference between right and wrong!”

            Why didn’t you all powerful god give them that ability? If he gave them the urges but not the sense what’s the point?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            robrto la maricon,
            Because unlike you our Lord had wisdom to know they wouldn’t need it!! Only man would!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Which version of “morality?”

            The loving one in which folks help each other, the one where individuals can make choices about their own bodies,

            or

            The the hateful one where those who are supposed to be cellibut rape little children, want to let people die for lack of health care, and don’t want to feed the hungry.

            Which is really moral?

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Have we taken our meds today, Robert? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • Teresa

        What on earth do animals have to do w/this? Are you seriously comparing us to animals? Do you believe that animals have souls? Are you saying that we are suppose to be acting like animals…what?

        • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

          Teresa,

          We are no differnt than our animal counterparts.We are all animals.Humans rank the highest developed animal.We don’t have souls,like our closest ape relatives we are from a common ancestor and do have similar characteristics.DNA is one of them.Look it up.

          • Teresa

            Teresa,

            We are no differnt than our animal counterparts.We are all animals.Humans rank the highest developed animal.We don’t have souls,like our closest ape relatives we are from a common ancestor and do have similar characteristics.DNA is one of them.Look it up.

            *********************************************************************

            All I can say is I will pray for you….you can believe what you want but Sir, I DO have a soul and Thank God it will not be here w/the gay animals and you forever.

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            [offensive post removed]

          • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

            Teresa and wild Indian,

            We all come from common ape ancestors.Here are scientific proofs.

            http://human-evolution-firstman.blogspot.com/2008/12/characteristics-classification-and.html

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry Coal Miner, but we were created in God’s image and did not evolve from apes. Darwins Theory of Evolution has already been proven false, he even refuted everything he reported before he died. So much for a non-Christian and his misguided scientific beliefs. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • http://?? Joe H.

            coal dung,
            If Darwin was right, then why can’t they find the missing link? There have been many fakes and all have been proven false!

          • Dan az

            Joe I think we just did its coal miner!

          • Robert Smith

            sook says: “Sorry Coal Miner, but we were created in God’s image and did not evolve from apes.”

            Really and the evidence for that is…?

            Please keep in mind that there are plenty of holy books out there. I could write one myself just like L. Ron Hubbard did. Now there’s a thought! I could make a ton of money. Religion for money! What a notion. Get a bunch of folks all heated up like L. Ron Hubbard, Jerry Falwell, Bakker, sook young, samurai… Yup, there’s gold in that there bigotry.

            Then again there is a lot of reward in loving others and being loved back. Too bad the right doesn’t understand that.

            Rob

        • Robert Smith

          From Teresa: “What on earth do animals have to do w/this? Are you seriously comparing us to animals?”

          Yes, we ARE animals. Mammals.

          BTW, I think that creationist stuff is a fairy tail. Ain’t that what you are all worked up about is the tails of fairries? Well, now I have one to be worked up about.

          Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Have we forgotten to take our meds today? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            From sook: “Have we forgotten to take our meds today?”

            I can’t speek for you. I remembered to take mine.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Then my diagnosis was right. You are insane. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            No sook young, allopurinol isn’t a psychotropic drug. It has nothing whatsoever to do with sanity.

            I would reccomend that you make sure that BOTH ends of the intellectual bungie cord are tied off before you make such a bogus leap of your version of christian logic.

            Rob

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        you forgot to mention coal miners. what really goes on down there in the dark during break time.

      • JimH

        Miner, When chimps,dolphins and killer whales want to join the army it may become relevent. Until then this post means nothing.

        • Robert Smith

          Hi JimH,

          You posted: “When chimps,dolphins and killer whales want to join the army it may become relevent.”

          Dolphins and some whales have been used by the USN to pick up torpedos, and search for other stuff. Check out: http://dolphins.jump-gate.com/military_use_of_dolphins/innocents_at_war.shtml

          Rob

          • JimH

            Hi Rob, Intresting link, thanks.

          • Robert Smith

            You are welcome.

            Rob

    • Robert Smith

      From BABUSHSKA: “Wake up people…the legitimization of homosexuality threatens the very basis of human society.”

      Just think though !!!!!!!!!! You and I will be the only male breeders left. It will be great.

      Rob

      • Doc Sarvis

        Wake up Robert Smith, Homsexuality has been a part of human society ever since there was a human society.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Sorry Robert, that was not meant for you.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi Doc,

            No problem. I know homosexuaity has been around for very long time. Looking at other animals it looks like it was before humanity was around.

            Rob

        • http://naver sook young

          That’s not true and you can’t prove it. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Awwww sook young, there you go again denying gays and history: “That’s not true and you can’t prove it.”

            Then it’s not gays being talked about in Laviticus and Sodom and Gamora. Maybe there is a chance you will see the light.

            BTW, what is Gamoraty? I want to know what I’m missing, or was that just the first shot your god took at Sodom and he just missed by that much?

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Hey sook… Prove your god is real.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Rob, all you have to do is read the Bible and you’ll know he’s real. Also, read what happened in Israel when the worshipers of Baal came together and wanted to proove their god exsisted and the Lord our God didn’t. Remember what happened? The more they prayed, the more tired and crazy they became, but no answer. When God’s prophet prayed to God, fire came down from heaven, consumed the alter, the sacrifice, and the water that was poured around it. Now that’s proof of his existence. What about your god, Robert? Does it exist or are you your own god? In my opinion, you’re just a big person in your own mind. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberto,
            she doesn’t have to prove he exhists you are the one that has to prove to her he doesn’t and you can’t!! She believes in something while you believe in NOTHING!!!!

          • Robert Smith

            sook young says: “Rob, all you have to do is read the Bible and you’ll know he’s real.”

            Oh! That’s that book where Lott knocks up his daughters, some guy gets hung up on a couple of sticks and then the execution device is worn as a simbole of divinity… I think I’ll wear a small hypodermic needle around my neck to show my support for killing with lethal injection. Maybe a noose would be better because it can be made out of soft rope.

            I do declare a new device to celebrate the death of criminals that a noose be worn by all those who believe in “an eye for an eye” (hmmmm, that’s from that there christian bible).

            Rob

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            sook says: ” In my opinion, you’re just a big person in your own mind.”

            Why thank you sook. It took awhile but I appreciate the compliment.

            I do feel big because I don’t rely on a hateful invisible god or Rush to give me my opinions. I think for myself.

            Rob

  • http://com i41

    What bs, asking the upper ranks who are desk polishers and paer shufflers for a honest opion. It is like asking the Congress and the marxist muslim moron, what the American citizens really want. The survey probably selects only faggots and socialist democrat queers. The clowns surveyed were Blarney’s boys and Blarney himself surveyed several times to slant the results. If the faggots get to flaunt their views, demand they all serve front lines in infantry and if they are holding hands, they will not be bothering the others. In subs hot bunking will take on a new meaning and twice as many laddies can ride along, more ways than one.

  • Warrior

    What right does anyone have to ask the question of one’s sexual preference as well as one’s religious beliefs? Am I missing something here?

    • Robert Smith

      Yes Warrior, you are missing hate, bigotry, religious zeal, and ignorance.

      But they are in a minority and can be ignored. The rest of America will move along as Americans without all the hate and other stuff.

      Rob

      • 45caliber

        I don’t make a point of what sexual preference that I am, so why should you? It is, as many say, for your home. So why should I have to listen to gays insist they have the right to tell me about it and propostion me? Don’t I have some rights too?

        • Robert Smith

          Hey 45, here is a hint from Nancy Reagan, remember her?

          You say: “So why should I have to listen to gays insist they have the right to tell me about it and propostion me?”

          Just say no.

          Just like girls do when they don’t want to go out with a guy, or like a guy can if he doesn’t like the girl asking. If you are stalked go to authorities.

          Why do you need “spcial” hateful guidelines when someone you hate asks?

          Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Soory rob, but a minority is offically designated by race, religion, and nationality, and not perverse behavior. Ergo, they are not a recognized minority according to our government moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Blind people and cripples aren’t allowed in the military either. Is the military prejeduce against them also?

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “Blind people and cripples aren’t allowed in the military either. Is the military prejeduce against them also?”

        Nope it isn’t. For obvious reasons.

        Those who are gay and in the military can do any job that needs doing.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          If that is true, then why do they have to be protected by MP’s? Don’t sound too much like it to me. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            simple answer to that one samurai. They have to be protected because some alleged christians are busy working everyone up about what they claim to be a “sin.”

            I don’t subscribe to your religion. BTW, did you know religion is clearly a choice no matter how hateful it is?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, first, religion isn’t always a choice. Remember you’re born into Islam and have no choice. Second, I knew people of different faiths, some with no faiths of any kind, that wanted to perform such actions as well. Are you going to act like a moron to them also, why just Christians? You either go all the way or none of the way. That’s probably why your arse hurts from going all the way? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “Remember you’re born into Islam and have no choice.”

            One can walk away. This is America where religion isn’t forced upon another.

            BTW, you may want to check out the TRUE story: The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara by David Kertzer

            Here is an Amazon.com Review:
            Out of seemingly small events are sometimes born great historical moments. The case of young Edgardo Mortara is one. In 1858 the 6-year-old Jewish boy was taken from his parents’ home in Bologna, Italy, by agents of the Papal inquisition. The year before, seriously ill, Edgardo had been secretly baptized, by the Mortaras’ Catholic servant (or so she claimed); it was against the law for baptized Christians to be raised by Jews, and so, in the eyes of the Church, the kidnapping was only just. Secular Italians did not agree, and thus was set in motion a series of reforms that ended the Church’s temporal power in Italy and forged the creation of a liberal, near-democratic state. For his part, young Edgardo became a priest and lived in a Belgian abbey until 1940–just before the invading Germans began to deport and execute all those tainted with Jewish blood. David Kertzer has shaped a remarkable narrative from almost forgotten events.”

            Rob

        • Dan az

          So Roberta why dont you and the quack join up and take the place of the ones that will be leaving?I’ll bet you two would have a gay o time!

          • Robert Smith

            Did my 4 years in the USN during the Nam era.

            Why must you lie about who I am? Isn’t your god strong enough to punish me without your abuses?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            How could you have served in Nam? I remember a past posting saying the you went into the navy in 1946. Wouldn’t that be about 20 years too early for Vietnam? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            samurai,
            come on now be nice! Don’t you know it’s hard trying to keep all of his lies straight??? Especially if you can’t sit down!!!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: ” I remember a past posting saying the you went into the navy in 1946.”

            You remember wrong, samurai. Produce MY post or admit your lie. Oh, I get it… It isn’t a “lie” when you misremember.

            Rather novel way to get false information out samurai.

            Rob

  • Proud to be a Christian

    Teresa you are correct, I can tell you come from a military familt and that Doc Sarvis has never been in the military. Leave it alone. The Navy folks have a way of dealing with the issue and a number of folks just don’t come home. It’s a long way down off that fan tail. This is ridiculous to have to put up with gays to begin with and don’t let anyone fool you, it is not a sickness it is a selection of the way of life that is unnatural and held as an abomination by god. In the bible it states that during the end times which we are now in that drugs would be rampant and so wouldn’t man lying with man. The only reason that humans were given the pleasures of sex was to multiply. The only thing gay couples can give to each other and society is AIDS!!!! And man we have to ban cigarette smoking because it costs health care enormous amounts of money, but we let aids just a keep on tracking and the anointed one has now lifted the ban on people coming into the states that HIV positive. Some things get more ridiculous every day.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Are you implying that our Navy are murdering people? That is a horrid disrespect for our military, the greatest in the world.

      More heterosexuals in the world have AIDS than homosexuals.

      So people who can’t have children should never have intercourse?

      • 45caliber

        In the world, yes. The men in Africa carry it home to their wives and kids. But in the US? No. Aids got started here because some gay man went to Africa and then returned home to San Fran. Try to not let your argument flow over, will you?

    • eddie47d

      No one is going to be “boning anyone in the foxhole” as some of you contend. You are the ones with the creepy minds. Bragging about killing gay soldiers? Wow! That really puts you over the top.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Except edduuuhhh!!! Otherwise there won’t be any catching anything!!!

    • Robert Smith

      Proud proudly posts: “The Navy folks have a way of dealing with the issue and a number of folks just don’t come home.”

      That’s just oh so christian of you.

      Go forth and murder some born queers and then come home and hold your pro-life sign high in front of a clinic.

      Hold your head high as you proclaim yourself pro-life as thousands die because they don’t have health care in America. Force them to go conception to birth, and they you forget them.

      Yup, a fine example of what I’ve seen much of christanity become in America.

      Rob

      • 45caliber

        You are on the wrong thread. You need to move over to the Daily KOS. Your rants are meaningless here simply because they are all wrong. They might believe you at KOS.

      • http://naver samurai

        Rob, you’re the picture perfect example for the use of birth control. If you read my wife’s earlier post, you’ll see that other beliefs don’t like the gay lifestyle either. Also, read my post about them needing MP’s to protect them. I’ve seen it happen. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          From samurai: “you’ll see that other beliefs don’t like the gay lifestyle either.”

          Then they shouldn’t participate either.

          I don’t like your version of christanity so I won’t ever participate in that. If you are trying to get your ticket to your version of heaven based upon your ability to convert me you are going to hell.

          Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Roberto concorny,
        Prove your statement that gays are born gay! Don’t give me any pro gay sites either, just proof!!

        • Lt. C. Marshall

          I have served in two tours in Iraq. I was awarded a purple heart, and a bronze star for my dedication to my brothers and sisters. Six months after being an O-1 a former recruit started rumors, but I was “gentile.” The investigation started and they found my marriage license to my Husband Kyle. I was discharged. My brothers and sisters stood up for me in the National Guard they spoke out at my hearing. I was a hero to man of them, but more importantly we were a family, and families look out for each other.

          For those of you in here who wish to disrespect the gay, lesbian, and bisexual soldiers who fight for what you lack to courage to do, I simply say look at your self in the mirror. Look at your reflection and tell yourself you now have to remove your family, your spouse, and your children from your life completely for months on end or face being fired. You have a choice between serving your country or keeping in contact with your family. You cannot do both as a LGB soldier without facing investigation and discharge.

          For those soldiers in here who disrespect your family and your country I want to ask you if you remember the paranoia of climbing the mountains and hills in Iraq looking for Taliban hideouts and just waiting for an insurgent to pop out some where and open fire on your Unit. Remember that paranoia, where you know that at any minute you could die and that you cant wait to just get back to base and dust off? Now multiply that paranoia by the fact that when you dust off from a mission you now have to carefully comb over everything you say and do so that you can keep your job as a soldier. How is that good for our military?

          As a gay soldier I served with many dedicated men and women quite a few were gay, lesbian, and bi, some where out to their units others were not. As my Captain would stress to all of us and made us memorize verbatim:

          “No matter what race you are, what deity you believe in, or who you sleep with when you are on leave, we are a family and we all have families at home waiting for us to return safely. If we want to see our families, we ourselves need to be a family and most importantly we all need to get our heads out of our asses and start realizing this is a war. We have enough enemies as it is and I will be damned to let enemies form here. If you dont like someone for who they are get your head out of your ass and wake up. You are in my platoon and if you have a problem with that then you are in the wrong job field.”

          We are a family, and we are in two wars right now. Our fellow LGB brothers and sisters have families that they cant even speak to because of this policy. The last thing we need is for this terrible policy to continue.

          My name is Lieutenant Marshall and with sixty-nine percent of our forces in support of a repeal, and more seventy-five percent of the populace it is time you let us do our jobs or get out of the way, but more importantly get out of the way so we can serve with dedication, honor, and above all else integrity.

          • http://naver samurai

            If this is true, then why do recent reports cite that 91% don’t want a gay in a leadership position? I think you’re just making this stuff up. Don’t waste our time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • crystal

            A Captain can say whatever he wants. It doesn’t mean his subordinates will follow or respect him.

          • Robert Smith

            Thank you Lt.

            Rob

        • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

          JoeH and sook Young,

          An Op-Ed piece in Tuesday’s (12/17/91) New York Times, reprinted without permission:

          Are some people born gay?
          By Michael Bailey and Richard Pillard Science is rapidly converging on the conclusion that sexual orientation is innate. It has found that homosexuals often act differently from heterosexuals in early childhood, before they have even heard of sex. A recent study by Simon LeVay, a neurobiologist at the Salk Institute, reported a difference in the hypothalamus, a part of the brain that develops at a young age, between homosexual and heterosexual men.
          If true, a biological explanation is good news for homosexuals and their advocates.

          Our own research has shown that male sexual orientation is substantially genetic. Over the last two years, we have studied the rates of homosexuality in identical and non-identical twin brothers of gay men, as well as adoptive brothers of gay men. Fifty-two percent of the identical twin brothers were gay, as against 22 percent of non-identical twins and 11 percent of the adoptive, genetically unrelated brothers.

          In contrast, research on social factors has been fruitless. [:-)...rjw] Despite many attempts, there has been no clear demonstration that parental behavior, even a parent’s homosexuality, affects children’s sexual orientation. Cultures tolerant of homosexuals do not appear to raise more of them than do less permissive societies.

          Homophobes sometimes justify their prejudice against homosexuals by alleging that homosexuality is contagious — that young homosexuals become that way because of older homosexuals and that homosexuality is a social corruption. Such beliefs form the core of the organized anti-homosexual movement. If homosexuality is largely innate, this would prove that these claims are groundless.

          Given these implications, it may seem surprising that the biological studies disturb many gay and lesbian advocates. Misunderstanding them, the advocates often suggest that the search for a biological cause is motivated by an assumption that homosexuality is an illness. Behavioral scientists, however, have long searched for biological underpinnings of traits such as extraversion and intelligence, which no one considers to be negative. Furthermore, a biological explanation of homosexuality simultaneously explains heterosexuality.

          This leads to a more pertinent fear of gays and lesbians, that people will assume that answers to moral questions hinge on the results of scientific study. Should a benevolent view of homosexuality depend on the assumption that it is innate? Are gays and lesbians to be tolerated only if they are “born that way”?

          Regardless of what causes sexual orientation, there is no plausible justification for oppressing homosexuals. Reasons that have long been offered — that homosexuals disproportionately molest children, convert heterosexuals to homsexuality, are mentally ill, betray their country — have been shown to be false.

          But homophobia remains the one form of bigotry that respectable people can express in public. If the long-overdue national debate on homosexuality took place, the poverty of the anti-homosexual case would become readily apparent.

          If scientific study of the origins of sexual orientation would not directly resolve the public issue, why do it?

          First, in can inform public debate. But equally important is the value of discovery, particularly self-discovery. A gay man with a heterosexual identical twin, both of whom we studied, put it this way: “I accepted being gay years ago, so that’s not why I want to know. But sexual orientation is such an important part of my life — anyone’s life — that I’m still curious why I turned out gay and my brother straight.” How could anyone not be curious?

          Michael Bailey is assistant professor of psychology at Northwestern University. Richard Pillard is associate professor of psychiatry at Boston University School of Medicine.

          • http://naver sook young

            You’re report is inacurate. The DNA arguement has already been proven false years ago, so why tell the same lies again and again? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • http://?? Joe H.

            coaldung,
            There has never been a “gay” gene found and never will be except by pro gay scientists that have extremely hard times proving their findings! Even with the “gay” humping that animals do they have never been able to find it in them. when they can prove the gay gene beyond all doubt, come back and tell me about it. My bet is it’s kinda like that missing link you tried to convince us of earlier, it DON’T EXHIST!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Actually sook I’ve posted directly to you PROOF from FOX that a gay gene can be turned on in mice. It willl most likley easily be proven in human beings now.

            Rob

      • http://naver sook young

        You’re very wrong, Rob. They have already discresited the report that DNA is a reason for being gay. I’m a nurse and you can’t fool me with these absurd ignorance of yours. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          How’s ’bout Fox News?: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/15/have-scientists-found-gay-gene/

          From that article: “A group of Korean geneticists has altered the sexual preferences of female mice by removing a single gene linked to reproductive behavior. Without the gene, the mice gravitated toward mice of the same sex”

          What does your creationist note book say about that?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            They had to splice their DNA strands and were not born that way, moron! Keep the stupid stuff comming rob. I like the long list of victories I’m racking up over you. DNA splicing has nothing to do with the subject. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: “DNA splicing has nothing to do with the subject.”

            Sure does. It demonstrates how homosexuality can be genetic.

            Conculsion: A genetic cause for being gay is strongly supported.

            Conclusion: Being a bigoted hateful “christian” is a choice.

            Rob

        • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

          Some myths in the Bible:

          1: The universe created in seven days(impossible)

          2: The sun goes around the earth(battle of Jericho)

          3: The great flood(already proving to be a fallacy)

          4: No proof that Moses was ever in Egypt(A copied myth from pagan sources)

          5: Book of Daniel(A copy from a Syrian poem) Daniel was a king that closes the mouths of lions and babes.He wasn’t Hebrew in orgin.
          6:Samson,Saul, Samuel and David,sun myths.(zodiac numbers of four.)

          7: The numbers in the Bible are occult numbers( 3s.30s 4s,40s,7s, and 70s)These same numbers appear in other religions and myths.Look it up.

          8:Resurrection and Christian myths (Egypt)

          There are websites full of information;check it out.Please respond.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Proud to be a Christian, can you give sook a clue about how I know so many are christians around here?

      I don’t think it has to be a very big clue.

      Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        What can’t answer my 8:47 post? or haven’t you had time to ask daily Kos??

        • Robert Smith

          What post is that Joe?

          Rob

  • Norman Taber

    One of the main problems with changing the system is the minorities are against having homosexuals in their units, especially fignting and front line support units. The homosexuals were bullied during public school and the gang mentality still stands. When there is a promotion available, the minorities push their members even when they are not qualified. Their non-minority training sergeants are called queers when they are not and the socalled “queers” are the base of the unit are well qualified. There exist a habit by officers of taking the trusty subordinates with then when they are promoted, even when they are not qualified for the new unit. This adds to the situation. Sometimes well qualified unit will get a commander that does not know the new units operations. The officers will turn down exercises that the unit CAN DO because they haven’t reviewed the rosters that have former military service in the craft. The minorities usually do not learn the operations well enough to correct simple situations when something has to be setup in a specific way for the special systems. A first sergeant has to read the political situation when he sets up a field problem. Even then the minority first sergeant pushes his untrained minority subvordiante. There are soo many political situations in managing troops that this change is not waranted.

    • 45caliber

      You are correct. When I went to Vietnam, our platoon sergeant was minority. He ignored the choices of the rest of the sergeants (who were supposed to nominate those for promotion including other minorities. He placed for promotion ONLY those of his minority even if they were useless and stayed in trouble all the time. I got my promotion when the rest of the sergeants went to the captain over his head. He got reamed out for it and hated me thereafter. Not that it made much difference. He was a coward. They ended up kicking him out of the service.

    • Robert Smith

      Norman says: “…the minorities push their members even when they are not qualified.”

      Same can be said about christians. Look at what went on in Colorado at the Air Force Academy: http://www.veteranstoday.com/tag/christian-harassment-at-air-force-academy/

      Rob

  • http://Alaska Wild Bill

    I have no problem with gay people serving in the military with ONE BIG EXCEPTION,they should be barred from any sensitive positions such as military intelligence.Does the name Bradley Manning bring anything to mind?.Anybody who follows the news knows that Manning,an enlisted intelligence analyst and a homosexual,felt “confused and upset” that gay’s did not receive the “respect” they deserved in the military.So,what did the “frustrated” Manning do?,he stole and delivered 250,000 pages of classified military and diplomatic cables and dispatches to Wikileaks.Mannings confusion and frustration,which stemmed directly from his sexual orientation,caused this young man to commit treason against the Republic he swore an oath to protect.Only time will tell of the damage done to the U.S.by Mannings actions,but one thing is glaringly clear,Mannings actions were abetted by a military that did not vet Manning properly,or overlooked his past, before allowing him access to sensitive material.The blame for this leak can be equally shared by Manning and the new “politically correct” military leadership.There are too many reasons gay’s were barred from intel positions when I served as an Army interrogator/analyst in the 70′s,closeted gays were subject to blackmail by foreign intel agencys,gay’s were judged,and rightfully so,to be too sensitive to issues outside of their duty assignment,etc.Yes,let gay’s serve in the military but keep them the hell out of any intelligence community positions.If a serving gay is working an intel position and is “outed”,then by all means they need to be reassigned to a less important military occupation,and openly gay persons wanting an intel MOS(military occupational speciality)slot need not apply.
    Wild Bill
    Alaska

    • Warrior

      Yea but, what if our enemies have a gay covert operational member to make whoopie with Bwarny Frwanks and obtain our national secrets?? ooooh! Wait, I have to go throw up now.

    • Robert Smith

      My guess by your standard, Wild Bill, is that because of John Walker family men shouldn’t be in sensative positions.

      I find it amazing the corruption of logic from those who think gays shouldn’t be in sensative positions because they can be blackmaled. If they are out of the closet they can’t be blackmaled any more than a heterosexual.

      BTW, there are those who think J. E. Hoover might have been gay.

      Rob

      • 45caliber

        Hoover may have been. Who cares? What’s your point?

        • Robert Smith

          Gays can serve with distinction in all walks of life.

          Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            How would you know? Are you gay also? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Dan az

            Sook
            I believe he is even if he wont come out of the closet.

          • Robert Smith

            Yup, and many christians believe in creationism and that there is someone called a “god” sitting in a big chair watching them and keeping notes for Santa.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Yes rob, that is true. There is God ruling from his throne in heaven. The universe was created by God in six days and rested on the seventh day. But, sorry to tell you this rob. You’re buddy Santa Claus doesn’t exist. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. Since you’ve been such an arse, I’ll bet good ol’ St. Kick puts a lump of coal or a dildo in your stocking on Christmas.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            My bet’s on a vibrating dildo for roberto!!!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrATS4mthX4 TXRacer

    I personally know men who have left the Army, due to sexual harassment from gays in the barracks. I strongly believe the DADT change is strictly politically motivated. If this passes it will automatically reduce the number of voluntary troops, specifically the straight more conservative, Christian, or republican types. The overall military would be left with the more left, progressive, liberal types. Many others believe this to be true too. It’s all part of the bigger plan underway by our current administration. We’ve been reducing our missle defense systems and loosing good 4-star Generals too. We also remember how they handled the Ft. Hood TERRORIST attack.

    • Robert Smith

      “I personally know men who have left the Army, due to sexual harassment from gays in the barracks. ”

      Awww they saw his pee pee and had to get out of the army. Sooooooo sad.

      Rob

  • Robert Smith

    Posted: “We also remember how they handled the Ft. Hood TERRORIST attack.”

    What’s to handle? Nidal Malik Hasan is in custody awaiting trial.

    BTW, did you know that internal Army reports indicate officers within the Army were aware of Hasan’s tendencies toward radical Islam since 2005. That was during the BUSH years. He could have been put out of the military years ago.

    There are questions of whether the incident was caused by mental health issues (that he could be faking) or Hasan was a terrorist, as government agencies have still not officially linked Major Hassan to any radical groups.

    Rob

    • 45caliber

      They are avoiding linking him to any terrorist group because they don’t want the people to be able to say that he was a terrorist. In fact, many of the government are denying that there even are terrorists at all. Instead, they are trying him for murder as if he was simply someone who went nuts. So your argument is meaningless.

      • Robert Smith

        Sitll, there was a chance to stop him during the BUSH administration.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Bush, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Darn sheeple, can’t you come up with some new material? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            New material? The truth works just fine for me, samurai.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Just because you say something over and over doesn’t make it the truth Robert. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • BABUSHSKA

    Robert Smith: I am female.

    Coal Miner: I’m not going to legitimize your argument that many animal species are homosexual, true or not. Sorry to be redundant on this over-discussed and still controvsial topic, but I know what God says, and he declairs the practice of homosexuality an aberration.

    Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”1

    Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them”

    1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

    God destroyed the city of Sodom & Gomorrah due to their evil practices and depravity….which included practices of homosexuality.

    God lovingly designed an intimate relationship (marriage) to be between a man and a woman only.

    You say you know many homosexuals who say they are Christian, well, to that I say, if they really are Christians, they have to try to live their lives consistent with God’s principals, and not make their behavior and beliefs suitable to their own desires.

    • 45caliber

      I read a British article this morning that stated that they had found that a very high level of mercury would cause certain birds to act as if they were gay. I wonder. Has anyone measured the mercury content of gays??

      • Dan az

        45
        that would be easy just put them near our soldiers and see if there mercury rises!

    • Robert Smith

      HI BABUSHSKA,

      OK, you are female.

      BTW, could you drop by sook and explain to her just how I might get the idea that there are logs of hateful christians around here who think they have the one true way to their version of a christian god?

      She really want’s to know why I think there are so many.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Why do you need to repeat yourself, moron? I see you have drank your fill of the lib kool aid and are very drunk on it at this time. Just go home and let the intelligent people alone. Better yet, go to a different country. If you did, it’ll just be that less trash we need to clean up in this country. Remember, November 2 was just the start, next will be November 2, 2012! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Jim Jones didn’t use Kool-Aid.

          Get your facts straight.

          BTW, Jim Jones and his murdering / suicidal bunch claimed to be christian, just like you do.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            So did Obama bin Laden, so what’s your point? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://com i41

    Doc, as usuakky you are a blooming faggot loving socialist democrat. So people who cann’t have children shouldn’t have intercourse. Get a better grip on reality, men and women have intercourse as ordained to create offspring, faggot just create s–t birds. coal miner, crowding herding animals always creates faggots. Prime example is big cities and even Onumnutts had 3 good s–t bird buddies, that all died within a month, before he announced his run for marxist muslim in Cheif. No voices, no shorts, and no stain, noproblem it was just 3 democrat faggots who cann’t talk. Studies have been done on rats, rabbits and humans, the more restrictions on space the higher the level of mothers abanding young, males and females become queer. Facts must be showing the democrat party wonks embracing faggots. Marines usually have blankets parties with a sock and a bar of soap. Sometimes they just have stumbling falls. We always sent queer livestock right to slaughter house to save feed and increase production rates. Hopefully the meat went to SF or NY, and maybe France.

    • Doc Sarvis

      WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? My post about people who can’t have children was posted as a question to the previous post if you would have read it. As for the rest of your paragraph, again; WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        [offensive post removed]

        • Doc Sarvis

          WIA
          IF you are trying to get a point across I can’t read it since it is removed almost as fast as you post it due to the offensive nature of your language.

          • Dan az

            Doc that would be that he wants you to have self intercourse!LOL

          • Robert Smith

            Now there’s a cristian advocacy I’d like to have pointed out in their bible.

            Rob

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Semper Fi. during my years in the Corps (66 to 72) I only ran into one queer and he was in confinement waiting for a Dishonorable Discharge. As to minorities, before the Black Power Movement spilled over into the military in 68, most served with dignity and loyalty to the Corps. I did witness (3) instances of cowardace in combat; cut, run and hide. Two were blacks and one was a Mexican, all were E-6 to E-7, and all (3) ended up dead. Anyone out there remember the riots and race problems in the military by blacks after King got killed? The military acts like it never happened. What a disgrace that was. I was at Camp Lejune in 69. They were knocking off armories, killing or jumping lone marines and even robbed the bank at main-side. Refusal of orders, disrespect to superiors, Afro hair-cuts, sloppy uniforms, the Dap, fights in the chow line, ect. were part of daily life then. Caused a lot of good men to leave the service but the brass was afraid to stop it.

    • Robert Smith

      From I41 says: ” faggot just create s–t birds”

      (offensive words removed)
      I’ve always wondered where they come from.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Ah yes, speaking from experience again, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          No samurai, not experience. You should read what I post rather than making stuff up. It was something I HEARD.

          BTW, you do appear to be an extremist right wing christian, and proud of it.

          God (if you are there), please save me from your lying hateful followers.

          Rob

  • 45caliber

    The Pentagon didn’t ask the soldiers and families if they were for or against DADT; they asked what could be done to make it easier to integrate them. In other words, they asked questions of the military that DID NOT SHOW that the people would accept them. They already assumed they were going to take them. So this entire article and ‘decision’ is based on faulty info.

  • 45caliber

    I’m against gays in the military for other reasons.

    If a gay officer or NCO sets up a relationship with someone under them, they can and have put other people’s lives in jepardy to insure that their lover is kept safe. Things like, “Charge that machine gun so we can silence it fast!”

    If a soldier knows that he might be put into that position, he either will get out fast or someone may decide that it is safer to simply shoot the gay person. Either doesn’t help our military in its mission.

    Further, the REAL reason mand of the gays want DADT repealed is because they want to be able to enter the military to proposition all those buff soldiers. They don’t want to or intend to defend the country. They simply want protection from the military when some soldier decides he’s had enough harassment and tried to beat the crap out of them.

    The military prefers DADT because it allows them to get rid of such people in a hurry. They don’t have to spend months trying to gather enough evidence to actually courtmartial the gay for sexual harassment as they do when someone harasses someone of the opposite sex. The gays who do what to serve the country can – by leaving sex in the home where it belongs just like most straights do.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Your arguments are based on the assumption that the U.S. military has no pride, no discipline, no professionalism, and no soldiers of honor. I know that is not the case, in fact it is just the opposite!

      • 45caliber

        It takes honor to not get upset if someone propositions you? It takes professionalism to put your life in danger on command so his lover can be safe? I think you are mixing things up a little.

        I’ve served in the military. And I can tell you that I personally saw the act I mentioned above. Two men were wounded because their sergeant didn’t know where his lover was and was afraid he’d get harmed. They got rid of both of them, one at a time, for that act. It was just as well; the friends of those wounded would undoubtedly have killed the sergeant for their friends.

        And I certainly didn’t like anyone trying to proposition me. If one did, he’d better not be in the field the next time a firefight came up! I’d leave him hanging. So will many other soldiers.

        And don’t say I was a bad soldier. The only ones in the military who thought I was were the liberals who were terrified of fighting. Several of them almost got courtmaritaled for it.

        • Doc Sarvis

          It sure sounds like there was a breakdown in military discipline in your unit. Honor, discipline, and professionalism was not present in the scenerio you present.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Doc: as a 16 yr. military veteran of both the Navy and the Marine Cops, with 3yrs. of combat expierience, i can honestly say that you don’t know what you’re talking about and .45 Cal. does. Very few, if any, warrior types want gays in the military, period. They are a distraction from combat unity and an unwelcomed burden in an already diffucult scenario. The military is not the place for social expierements, especially one doomed to failure or at best puts normal troops in added jepardy. Higher echelon officers go along with these orders only because they are afraid for their careers. If this freak in the White House insists on allowing queers to be in the military then put them in their own segregated units, with pink and puple uniforms. Let them hold hands and parade in front of the enemy and it would probably create a mass retreat. When are these people going to get it into their heads that they’re freaks and normal people don’t want them teaching school, displaying themselves in public, or serving in the military. It serves no purpose other than making liberals feel good.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Gunner! “The military is not the place for social expierements…”

            The ones with blacks and women worked out pretty well.

            Rob

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            As to women in combat; when you put someone in a job they can’t physically do I wouldn’t call that working out well. Case in point; When the Army was forced to put women in combat roles they tried to put them in artillery gun crews. The arty shell and packing box were too heavy for the ladies to handle so the Army allowed them to carry empty boxes to pass their drills. Women in the Navy were put into damage control teams but couldn’t carry the heavy pumps and hoses required to fight a ship board fire or carry casualties up the ladders. Social engineering is not going to save your burning ass when your ship is sinking. Combat, among a lot of things, is heavy labor and less than 10% of women can do heavy labor, Dept. of Labor Stats. There are many jobs in the military that are vital and women excell at and free men up to do the actual fighting.

      • Dan az

        Quack could you explain to me how you would know that if you where never there?

  • http://espionageaction-actionadventure.blogger.com stephen russell

    Unless gays serve in own Units IE own ships, aircraft units, support units & DONT interact with mainline forces.
    IE 1 Aegis cruiser is manned by all Gay crew?
    or 1 FBM SSGN sub.

    Problems:
    At Home base
    Base Mess Hall
    O & NCO clubs interactions
    Base PX
    Otherwise doable
    NOT for armor & Infantry & NOT Spec Ops.

  • http://espionageaction-actionadventure.blogger.com stephen russell

    Gays can Best serve on:
    Ships
    Air Sqadrons.
    ONLY.
    Problems with Aircraft Sqdns IE AF: are interacting with Mainline forces at base
    PX
    Mess Hall
    O & NCO Clubs alone.

  • JimH

    The gay navy will man ferry(fairy) boats.

  • Audrey J

    As a mother, grandmother, great-grandmother and lifelong RN, let me just say that heterosexual or homosexual, your sex life belongs behind closed doors, in private!!!! Everyone is letting way too much ‘hang out’ in public these days. Keep DADT in place…your mind belongs on your job at hand….and no hetero or homo sexual gets kicked out of the service if you keep your sexuality to yourself where it belongs. I believe the possibility is strong that service personnel will be tempted to nurture relationships, which in battle situations could cause a person to pause to do the right thing for another enlisted person if a choice had to be made under pressure with fatal consequences. Also, in civilian life, jilted lovers are known to do bad things to one another…would that be any different in the barracks? Far better to give no one the legal freedom to act out their sexuality in the Armed Services on active duty.

  • Tony

    Hell, I ain’t a christian, I’m an athiest and I say let em’ serve on the front lines. That way more of our good normal troops can come home and the faggotts get thinned out!

  • Lt. C. Marshall

    I have served in two tours in Iraq. I was awarded a purple heart, and a bronze star for my dedication to my brothers and sisters. Six months after being an O-1 a former recruit started rumors, but I was “gentile.” The investigation started and they found my marriage license to my Husband Kyle. I was discharged. My brothers and sisters stood up for me in the National Guard they spoke out at my hearing. I was a hero to man of them, but more importantly we were a family, and families look out for each other.

    For those of you in here who wish to disrespect the gay, lesbian, and bisexual soldiers who fight for what you lack to courage to do, I simply say look at your self in the mirror. Look at your reflection and tell yourself you now have to remove your family, your spouse, and your children from your life completely for months on end or face being fired. You have a choice between serving your country or keeping in contact with your family. You cannot do both as a LGB soldier without facing investigation and discharge.

    For those soldiers in here who disrespect your family and your country I want to ask you if you remember the paranoia of climbing the mountains and hills in Iraq looking for Taliban hideouts and just waiting for an insurgent to pop out some where and open fire on your Unit. Remember that paranoia, where you know that at any minute you could die and that you cant wait to just get back to base and dust off? Now multiply that paranoia by the fact that when you dust off from a mission you now have to carefully comb over everything you say and do so that you can keep your job as a soldier. How is that good for our military?

    As a gay soldier I served with many dedicated men and women quite a few were gay, lesbian, and bi, some where out to their units others were not. As my Captain would stress to all of us and made us memorize verbatim:

    “No matter what race you are, what deity you believe in, or who you sleep with when you are on leave, we are a family and we all have families at home waiting for us to return safely. If we want to see our families, we ourselves need to be a family and most importantly we all need to get our heads out of our asses and start realizing this is a war. We have enough enemies as it is and I will be damned to let enemies form here. If you dont like someone for who they are get your head out of your ass and wake up. You are in my platoon and if you have a problem with that then you are in the wrong job field.”

    We are a family, and we are in two wars right now. Our fellow LGB brothers and sisters have families that they cant even speak to because of this policy. The last thing we need is for this terrible policy to continue.

    My name is Lieutenant Marshall and with sixty-nine percent of our forces in support of a repeal, and more seventy-five percent of the populace it is time you let us do our jobs or get out of the way, but more importantly get out of the way so we can serve with dedication, honor, and above all else integrity.

    • http://naver samurai

      You just repeated yourself! If we didn’t listen the first time, we’re not listening now. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        From samurai: “If we didn’t listen the first time, we’re not listening now.”

        Yes, I know. World created in seven days, guy on throne… Nothing has changed for you even with proof before you. And that not listening thing is quite the centerpiece of a true believer of the most extreme. And you are so proud of it.

        Rob

    • crystal

      National Guard doesn’t count. You are definitely not the Marines.

    • http://naver sook young

      I know now that you are lying. My husband had to climb the hills and mountains of Afghanistan looking for the Taliban. Iraq was Al Queda. What a waste of our time. Thank you.

      Sook Young
      Wife of the Samurai

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Lt. Twinkle Toes: that must be quite a unit you were in. Were they the San Fran. National Guard ?

      • http://naver samurai

        No, probably the 69 rump ranger batallion. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

      Lt.C,

      Don’t argue with these bigots,its impossible to reason with them.

    • Kinetic1

      Well said Lt. C. Marshall. Unfortunately many of the people on this site are unable to conceive of a gay person who is not out for sex every minute of the day. Can you imagine suggesting that a soldier would be distracted by another soldier’s butt while in battle? What kind of mind thinks like that? Sometimes it’s like a Jr. High argument around here.

  • http://com i41

    Better yet put muslims and queers in the front lines, they both like the sweaty smells of male bodies. The pedophile worshipping muslims alway stop 5 times a day to stick their rears in the air, on their stinking goat rugs. They can all be hot bunk buddies, queers and goat humpers ride on!

  • http://naver sook young

    Mr. Livingston, this is Sook Young. I just want to ask you why you have taken some of my husbands postings off of the site? I hope you would please answer my question. Thank you.

    Sook Young
    Wife of the Samurai

  • Marine

    Homosexuality may be okay in the Office of the Secretary of Defense or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff’s office, but it is completely and unequivocally incompatible with service in the Marine Corps – just ask any of us that have served in combat.

    The so-called survey is extremely biased, incomplete, and has serious flaws. The survey questions basically presumed that the decision had already been made – only 25 percent were actually completed because of this presumption and concern by Service members about confidentiality. Survey respondents represent only 6 percent of all military personnel. The results are certainly not representative of the opinion of most on active duty, especially those of us in the Marine Corps and Army.

    Social engineering experimentation in the military is wrong. Two sitting Commandants of the Marine Corps, the Army Chief of Staff, the Chief of Naval Operations, and the Chief of Staff of the Air Force have all weighed in against the repeal of don’t ask don’t tell. They have clearly stated the negative effects that would be caused by repeal of don’t ask don’t tell. This is not a social thing, it’s a combat effectiveness and readiness thing.

    A vote to repeal DADT is a vote against national security. – it’s about time Congress and the president start listening to the actual leaders of the military Services.

    Semper Fidelis

    • http://naver samurai

      Hooooooooooorrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    We should consider that unlike civilian jobs, military personnel more often have to share bathroom and shower facilities. I have no beef about homosexuals who mind their own business, and do what they do privately. E.g., if MacDill AFB personnel (when off duty) want to go off base to visit gay bars or clubs in Tampa, that’s their business. But when I lived and drove airport limos in that area, at least one co-worker politely asked an elderly gay passenger to refrain from talking and boasting in detail what he did the previous night. Many people don’t want to hear about it. The problem with some, but not all, of the LGBT population is that they often provoke others, particularly in shared or public rest rooms. E.g., making a pass at another guy may be asking for trouble!! Furthermore, just think of ‘common sense’. E.g., a few months ago we heard of a patron assaulted in the men’s room of a famous gay bar in Greenwich Village. I don’t condone that type of violence. IMO these bigoted attackers shouldn’t even have been in the Village, as it is known as a gay community. But I also sometimes see men holding hands in other areas of Manhattan, and on the subways, exiting in rough areas of Brooklyn. They’re looking for trouble!! If LGBT people would just use common sense and proper etiquette, many acts of homophobia and so-called ‘hate crimes’could be prevented. And likewise, they wouldn’t have to fear the DADT policy, which IMO should be kept in law to keep these military personnel in line.

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