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17 Pols Make Judicial Watch’s Top 10 ‘Most Corrupt’ List

January 4, 2012 by  

17 Pols Make Judicial Watch’s Top 10 ‘Most Corrupt’ List

Judicial Watch has released its annual list of Washington’s 10 Most Corrupt Politicians. Unfortunately for us, and the United States, the scandals were so prevalent in 2011 that Judicial Watch couldn’t narrow the list to just 10. Here, in alphabetical order, are the 17. It starts with the Top 10, then the seven Dishonorable Mentions:

  • Representative Spencer Bachus (R-Ala): He’s the face of the Congressional “insider trading” scandal that rocked the Washington establishment in late 2011. A 60 Minutes report based on the book, Throw Them All Out, outed a number of sleazy members of Congress who managed to benefit financially based on information they alone were privy to. The report also named Speaker John Boehner and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, but as chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, Bachus “stood out for his remarkable ‘good fortune’ in shorting the stock market in 2008.”
  • Former Senator John Ensign (R-Nev.): He was forced to resign from office in May 2011 over an ethics investigation that resulted from a sex scandal. In trying to cover up an affair with the wife of a staffer, Ensign allegedly offered the couple a bribe of lucrative gifts and political favors.
  • Attorney General Eric Holder: For his involvement in and attempted cover-up of Operation Fast and Furious, refusing to defend the Constitutionality of Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act, stonewalling the release of information about Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan’s participation in Obamacare discussions while she was solicitor general, the Black Panther voter intimidation scandal, conspiring with scandal-ridden Project Vote in voter fraud and other malfeasance.
  • Congressman Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.): Impeached as a Federal judge in 1981 for taking a $150,000 bribe, Hastings is now caught up in a sex scandal. A female government employee claims Hastings sexually harassed her then engaged in a cruel campaign of retaliation when she rebuffed his advances. (Judicial Watch has filed a lawsuit against Hastings on the woman’s behalf.)  He is also under investigation for abusing his office by using government travel as a cover for sightseeing and by soliciting gifts and campaign contributions from Congressional staff.
  • Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.) and the Blagojevich co-conspirators: The House Ethics Committee (oxymoron) is investigating allegations that Jackson or someone acting on his behalf offered to raise campaign cash for then-Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich in exchange for a Senate appointment in 2008.
  • President Barack Obama: It’s the President’s fifth appearance on this list. This time it’s over the Solyndra scandal and his efforts — and those of his staff — to ignore the Constitution and the rule of law.
  • Congresswoman Laura Richardson (D-Calif.): Accused of misusing her Congressional staff for personal and political gain.
  • Congressman David Rivera (R-Fla.): He’s mired in numerous scandals stemming from charges of money laundering and tax evasion schemes initiated when he served in the Florida House of Representatives. He’s being investigated by the FBI, the IRS, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Miami-Dade Police public corruption unit and the Miami-Dade State Attorney’s office.
  • Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-Calif.): Her alleged transgressions are too many to list, but they include House Ethics Committee (oxymoron) investigations over abuse of power and supporting legislation that financially benefited her husband and a company in which her family holds part ownership.
  • Congressman Don Young (R-Alaska): The House Ethic Committee (oxymoron) cleared Young on charges of exceeding the limit on campaign donations to his legal defense fund — which was set up to defend him against an entirely different set of corruption charges. But Young nevertheless violated the rules, according to press reports. He is under investigation for taking bribes, illegal gratuities and unreported gifts from an Alaska company whose CEO pleaded guilty to bribing members of Alaska’s Legislature. He’s also linked to lobbyist Jack Abramoff’s scandal and others.

Dishonorable mentions went to:

  • Former Senator John Edwards (D-N.C.): Indicted by a North Carolina grand jury on six felony charges related to the cover-up of an affair with a staffer.
  • Congressman Barney Frank: Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac scandals and abuse of office.
  • Former House Speaker and Current GOP Presidential Candidate Newt Gingrich: Lying about his lobbying activities and his work for Fannie and Freddie, etc.
  • Department of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano: Ignoring immigration laws and the U.S. Constitution.
  • Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.): Abusing her office and insider trading.
  • Congressman Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.): Convicted by the House Ethics Committee (oxymoron) of failing to pay taxes, failing to report income and errors and omissions.
  • Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius: Obamacare waivers to benefit favorable (to Obama) constituencies.

For Judicial Watch’s complete report on their Top Ten, go here.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    For those who don’t stay current with who’s on the current “cream” list, this group of names amounts to the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Note that no one party has cornered the sleaze market.
    So what’s the solution? I suspect it will take a throw-back to an old-fashioned vigilante method. If there is no accountability, then there’s no reason to think this insanity will stop. Regardless of race, creed, color or party affiliation, anybody who wants to join this country club can do so and has good odds at getting away with it.
    It seems the Founding Fathers assumed too much when it came to getting worthy people into politics. They felt that no one who had common sense or character would dare stoop to being a lifelong, professional and career criminal. They should have lived longer. Get the ropes. Lock and load. It’s getting very, very close to “them or us,” people.

    • CJ

      What, no comment about the absence of Harry Reid from the list? Like they said, it was a tough choice limiting it to JUST 10.

      • eddie47d

        He (Reid) wasn’t on the list because most allegations against him were drummed up swill to score points for the Republican Party and those on this site of coarse. Justice through Tar and Feathers anyone!Now everyone look back on this site and see how many times the top two contenders (Brachus and Ensign)were brought up on this list. Probably could count them on one big toe! Now count the times Holder and Waters were mentioned. Probably several dozen times or more. Not that anyone here would be biased would you? So many of you are still covering for Republicans while slashing and burning Democrats. When it comes to dishonesty at least we know who you will and won’t burn at the stake for political points.

        • Pat

          The top two on the list are Republicans!

          Ron Paul is the only one I absolutely trust to keep his word.

          • Steve

            You must know Ron Paul personally for that kind of endorsement. Good luck with that….

          • Caroline

            Steve, you don’t need to know Ron Paul personally to trust him absolutely. Just look at his record over the past 30+ years and his efforts to enforce the Constitution and prevent the economic situation we have ourselves in now.

          • Jag

            I would have to agree, as Ron Paul is the only one I would trust, and the only one I know personally. There is no perfect person and all have their faults. If we could take the attributes of 3 candidates for President and combine them into just 1, we would have the perfect candidate.

        • Marlene

          Two out of ten on the top 10? Wow – sleeze at it’s worst but we’ll just give a slide to your party. As far as Reid and Pelosi are concerned, they’re two of the three worst horses in the race for first on the top ten, with Obama being first. Try6 as you may, Eddie, you can’t avoid facts.

          • eddie47d

            I think Marlene is the one having trouble with the facts. Now if you can’t comprehend then take up your problem with Bob or Judicial Watch.

          • http://google Leonard W. Giddens

            Eddie, ever heard of insider treading? Pelosi should be on the list.

          • Steve

            It very much looks like you are asleep when it comes to the group running for President on the TPGOP ticket… The current leader of that pack wants to limit liberties in the Constitution and that should be a treasonable offense… But all of them want to limit all of us who are not very wealthy or a big corporation…

        • JUKEBOX

          Eddie, there is no Congressman named Brachus. If you are going to speak ill of someone, get your name right. If you don’t think “DIRTY HARRY” is corrupt, you must have been smoking some of Obama’s dope.

        • eddie47d

          I didn’t know the spelling police were out today Jukebox but thanks for the heads up. Apparently you were too busy over looking the real issue.

        • Edeard

          Eddie and all others, the list is in alphabetical order! Read more closely. Just a suggestion!

        • CJM

          Where have you been eddie47? Reid is one of the sleeziest, corrupt, slime of the group and should have been on the top 10. Drummed up charges? Really? That paracitic tapeworm is nothing more than a conteptible piece of slag…Nevadans ought to be ashamed that he is still in office.

    • wandamurline

      This is the reason that every person who has been in office longer than 10 years needs their can kick down the road in 2012. Go green and recycle congress….we will just have to replace them every stinking time they come up for re-election until we get honest people who want to do their job within the limitations of the Constitution. Rick Perry had a good idea…make them part-time…that is what our forefathers had in mind.

      • Pat

        “Go green and recycle congress…” and “make them part-time”. These are two good ideas. Also, have them do meetings via computer (can’t remember what this is called) instead of traveling in and out of D.C. at our expense.

        • Marlene

          Having meetings via computer sounds like a nice cost cutter and interesting, but – can they spell well enough for the recipient to get the gist of what they’re saying? Some are true morons and I think Patty Murray of Washington State holds the title to be the very top moron in the brains department.

          • JUKEBOX

            We need to send Patty some new tennis shoes.

          • professor

            They can use Skype and have real conversations that can be recorded and a video made of the meeting!


          • WickedPickle

            “can they spell well enough for the recipient to get the gist of what they’re saying?”

            I don’t think it’s as much the spelling as the total comprehension of the garble itself, however.. As a tax paying citizen, I would gladly contribute my fair share toward spell checks for certain political dumb azzez (with instructions for use of course).

          • L.P.

            Ah yes…..Patty Murray…just another government whore…and with *0* brain capacity.

      • Ed Mack

        They only work part time now for full time pay cause the rest of their time they’re on vacation or getting in somebodies pants. Apparently sex doesn’t matter; or should I say gender?

    • JCfromDC

      As Mark Twain once remarked, “the only NATIVE criminal class to the United States is the Congress.” But he was talking about street crime (pickpockets) at the time to a European visitor. Was he?

      • Bob Marshall

        Thank for reminding me about Mark twain. ” Suppose you were and idiot and suppose you were a member of congress,But i repeat myself.” Mark Twain

      • Joe H.

        Mark Twain also said ” respect your country always. respect your government when they EARN it!” Very smart man, that!!!

        • s c

          JoeH, it’s no coincidence that America attracts LOSERS for politicians. H L Mencken, Mark Twain and many other brilliant people knew how to spot and accurately define elected filth. Over the years, politics has become a magnet for sociopaths and easily-trained pigs and lemmings.
          For what it’s worth, JoeH, I just finished Twain’s Autobiography (vol. 1).
          Twain or Mencken would have been vast improvements over 99% of the semi-human filth who have infested Washington since the late 19th century. As a rule,
          people who last long enough to retire in Washington earned damn little of what they take with them. And that includes perks that ‘go with the job,’ retirement and the UNDESERVED respect that ‘some’ people love to throw their way.

          • Joe H

            Very true!! There is one exception in Ron Paul, I believe!! I think he has kept his morality during his tenure!!

        • MRMO


          • skip

            Ron would have been quite alright for 1840, but he isn’t in the real world now. Try to pay for leukemia treatment with chickens, eggs, and the like for the hospitals, doctors, and nurses. Eliminate the EPA and let people decide where they want to live? Your living room will be fracked, your streams and waterways converted to toxic waste – those are decisions to made by individuals??!!?? Get real – we wouldn’t have any places remaining to live safely. Now elminating all wars would be great and save on hell of a lot of money and ruined lives and families- he is right on the mark there. The Busch catastrophes in Iraq and Afghanistan speak to that – there went 2 trillion down the rat hole for no gain, massive loss of blood and treasure, a destroyed middle east balance of power, and the resurgence of Iran. Neither of these countries were our enemies. Al Quaeda was and is, but a member of al Quaeda had a less than one minute life expectancy in Iraq before our bungled intervention.

    • Lee Hazel

      Good Reply: For these readers/writers, don’t miss Machelle Malkins’s book, “Cultere of Corruption”. It layes this out very well.

      • Lee Hazel

        oops. “Michelle”

        • Alex

          Michelle Malkin is a disturbed whore.

          • Stan Smith

            And your are a disturbed Libtard! Sorry Libturd there are more Libtard whores in your democrap party! She really must got into you Libards nerves! Truth is a bitch! And Libtards can’t handle it! Alex go change your diapers! You reek this site with your Libtard crap!

          • professor

            Alex, you need to be thrown off this blog.

          • libertytrain

            Alex, I’m guessing there are many including Ms. Malkin that would more than likely think the same of you.

          • Honestly

            Can’t we just be nice?????

    • Andre

      34 states could call for a Constitutional Convention. That would be an attempt at solving the corruption with a nonviolent solution.

      • Matt Newell

        You can be assured that the cons in congress would make sure they rewrote the Constitution to make themselves leaders for life and the rest of us criminals for life. Remember the group who wrote the Constitution were supposed to fix the Articles of Confederation not make something new. What makes you think a Constitutional Convention wouldn’t turn out the same way (only this time they would make most of us serfs rather than free)?

      • Jag

        We aren’t living in 1789, when a con con was called to make changes in the Articles of Confederation. We were moving toward that 34 number, and good sense kicked in; that’s when we put the brakes on and tried to get states to rescind their call. Can you imagine what kind of Constitution we would have, with the people we have in government, if a con con were called? It would probably be more suited to a totalitarian regime, than a sovereign Republic.

    • Phil

      Hey…what about Pelosi’s “you have to pass the bill before we let you see what’s in it” speech?? What about Maxine Waters’ gaff to the oil companies about “when we socialize…..err…take over your businesses”,etc??? These people need to be exposed for the communists they are!! At least Van Jones resigned when he openly admitted his communist beliefs. Anita Dunn lumping the murderer Mao Tse Tung with Mother Theresa??

      • joe H.

        It was even worse than THAT! she said “I guess we have to pass it to see what is in it”. SHE didn’t even know what was in it!!!

        • Ed Mack

          and they did; BUT they still WON’T read it. I would guess of all the books we read comic books are the most honest.

  • Michael J.

    As far as a progressive barometer goes, the list is way too small.
    A more accurate potrayal of the one party who rules us, The Bilderberg party was layed out for those with eyes that see in a recent vote.

    Senators who Voted “Yea” for NDAA (indefinite detention of U.S. citizens, no Trial)

    Sen. Daniel Akaka [D, HI]
    Sen. Lamar Alexander [R, TN]
    Sen. Kelly Ayotte [R, NH]
    Sen. John Barrasso [R, WY]
    Sen. Max Baucus [D, MT]
    Sen. Mark Begich [D, AK]
    Sen. Michael Bennet [D, CO]
    Sen. Jeff Bingaman [D, NM]
    Sen. Richard Blumenthal [D, CT]
    Sen. Roy Blunt [R, MO]
    Sen. John Boozman [R, AR]
    Sen. Barbara Boxer [D, CA]
    Sen. Scott Brown [R, MA]
    Sen. Sherrod Brown [D, OH]
    Sen. Richard Burr [R, NC]
    Sen. Maria Cantwell [D, WA]
    Sen. Benjamin Cardin [D, MD]
    Sen. Thomas Carper [D, DE]
    Sen. Robert Casey [D, PA]
    Sen. Saxby Chambliss [R, GA]
    Sen. Daniel Coats [R, IN]
    Sen. Thad Cochran [R, MS]
    Sen. Susan Collins [R, ME]
    Sen. Kent Conrad [D, ND]
    Sen. Chris Coons [D, DE]
    Sen. Bob Corker [R, TN]
    Sen. John Cornyn [R, TX]
    Sen. Michael Crapo [R, ID]
    Sen. Jim DeMint [R, SC]
    Sen. Richard Durbin [D, IL]
    Sen. Michael Enzi [R, WY]
    Sen. Dianne Feinstein [D, CA]
    Sen. Al Franken [D, MN]
    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand [D, NY]
    Sen. Lindsey Graham [R, SC]
    Sen. Charles Grassley [R, IA]
    Sen. Kay Hagan [D, NC]
    Sen. Orrin Hatch [R, UT]
    Sen. Dean Heller [R, NV]
    Sen. John Hoeven [R, ND]
    Sen. Kay Hutchison [R, TX]
    Sen. James Inhofe [R, OK]
    Sen. Daniel Inouye [D, HI]
    Sen. John Isakson [R, GA]
    Sen. Mike Johanns [R, NE]
    Sen. Ron Johnson [R, WI]
    Sen. Tim Johnson [D, SD]
    Sen. John Kerry [D, MA]
    Sen. Mark Kirk [R, IL]
    Sen. Amy Klobuchar [D, MN]
    Sen. Herbert Kohl [D, WI]
    Sen. Jon Kyl [R, AZ]
    Sen. Mary Landrieu [D, LA]
    Sen. Frank Lautenberg [D, NJ]
    Sen. Patrick Leahy [D, VT]
    Sen. Carl Levin [D, MI]
    Sen. Joseph Lieberman [I, CT]
    Sen. Richard Lugar [R, IN]
    Sen. Joe Manchin [D, WV]
    Sen. John McCain [R, AZ]
    Sen. Claire McCaskill [D, MO]
    Sen. Mitch McConnell [R, KY]
    Sen. Robert Menéndez [D, NJ]
    Sen. Barbara Mikulski [D, MD]
    Sen. Jerry Moran [R, KS]
    Sen. Lisa Murkowski [R, AK]
    Sen. Patty Murray [D, WA]
    Sen. Ben Nelson [D, NE]
    Sen. Bill Nelson [D, FL]
    Sen. Robert Portman [R, OH]
    Sen. Mark Pryor [D, AR]
    Sen. John Reed [D, RI]
    Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV]
    Sen. James Risch [R, ID]
    Sen. Pat Roberts [R, KS]
    Sen. John Rockefeller [D, WV]
    Sen. Marco Rubio [R, FL]
    Sen. Charles Schumer [D, NY]
    Sen. Jefferson Sessions [R, AL]
    Sen. Jeanne Shaheen [D, NH]
    Sen. Richard Shelby [R, AL]
    Sen. Olympia Snowe [R, ME]
    Sen. Debbie Ann Stabenow [D, MI]
    Sen. Jon Tester [D, MT]
    Sen. John Thune [R, SD]
    Sen. Patrick Toomey [R, PA]
    Sen. Tom Udall [D, NM]
    Sen. Mark Udall [D, CO]
    Sen. David Vitter [R, LA]
    Sen. Mark Warner [D, VA]
    Sen. Jim Webb [D, VA]
    Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse [D, RI]
    Sen. Roger Wicker [R, MS]

    Since approx. 40 % of the yea votes were cast by senators whose names are followed by an “R” in this blatant NWO inspired bill that opens the door to “Agenda 21″ and “Martial Law”, and therefore spotlights forevermore the blurring of the “R’s” and the “D’s”, should not the “R’s” and “D’s” be replaced with a “B” which would stand for the Bilderberg Party?

    P.S. For a real gut-burner, notice Tea Party candidate Marco Rubio who voted yea for the indefinite detention of American citizens without the possibility of a trial.

    • Sirian

      We Okies have been seeking a return to what we consider a common sense path in the way things are handled – returning to our Constitution – more than most believe – but when we saw, with total shock no less, that our Senator Inhofe and everyone of our Representatives had voted for the NDAA, well, needless to say, they may as well consider their political careers over. We may be thought of and classified as backward, hillbilly, gun toten’, bible reading idiots by the know all, see all wonders in Washington (and elsewhere) but what they don’t understand is that we stand by our Constitution and they’re Socialist/Communist ego driven lust for power will inevitably pay the price!!
      Lock & Load, YOU BET!!!


      Anybody who spends $12 to $15 million to get a job that pays around $1million for the tenure of the job never needs to be able to spend one penny of taxpayer money. A prime example is Obama, who is prepared to spend $1 billion or more for a job that only pays $1.6 million for the 4 year term. That is obscenely wrong, not counting the millions of taxpayer money he is spending to campaign for his re-election.

    • professor

      Michael, thanks for the info. I think we all know that our two-party system is just an “illusion.” The Republicans made no effort to vet the Democratic candidate, obama, even though they all knew he was an illegal alien and not qualified. All the politicians in Congress swept obama into the presidency without a whimper of protest from the Republicans… There is no doubt about it, the people have no representation in government. It has become a “dictatorship” and Congress might as well “go home” for good… when there is no more money for them to steal, they will.

      • Jag

        Problem is, people are so afraid of being branded a racist. Racism is what happened in Missouri, in 1874, a few years after the Civil War, when a Democrat controlled state government, passed legislation to prohibit concealed carry, so blacks couldn’t defend themselves. It took 13 years to get part of our rights back, but not our preexisting God given right of self defense, enshrined in the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution. Rights do not come from the benevolence of government; either you are born with them, are they don’t exist; privileges can be taken away at the whim of government.

      • Ed Mack

        One would have to be a fool to think only one party is corrupt. When one party like the Democrats are now and the Republicans don’t have the guts to stop them or the other way around; which is the crooked party? The really sad part is there are STILL people who are going to run for office this fall who have NO BUSINESS being there such as Obama and in this case the world knows it. NOW WHAT?

    • only a vapor

      Where did you source your info?
      I see some conflicting opposition info in the following list from”
      NAYs —13
      Cardin (D-MD)
      Coburn (R-OK)
      Crapo (R-ID)
      DeMint (R-SC)
      Durbin (D-IL)
      Franken (D-MN)
      Harkin (D-IA)
      Lee (R-UT)
      Merkley (D-OR)
      Paul (R-KY)
      Risch (R-ID)
      Sanders (I-VT)
      Wyden (D-OR)
      perhaps several Senators under constituent pressure, conscience or error realization-changed their vote later? Or was this a previous vote?

    • APN

      DeMint voted NO…Get your facts right.

      • Thinking about

        I thought nay was a no vote, get your facts together.

  • jim s.

    It must be obvious to anybody who reads with any variety that the United States Senate is a country club. Its members have for a long time been completely out of touch with any Americans who are financially and powerfully well off.
    The Senators also seem to have serious reservations with that pesky Bill of Rights. Those wealthy communists from the enlightenment period had their nerve writing such drivel.
    The Senators are well aware of who makes the rules — and they want to keep it that way.

    • guest right you are! I have never in all my 64 yr’s been so embarrassed and ashamed of my government and the american ppl. who have elected and turned their eye away from the immoral conduct of congress and obama.We american’s have entrusted these twice dead bag of bones and putred mind’s far to long with our lives and our children’s lives. America we need to throw them ALL out.

  • Stephen

    Do we need a new rule or even a Constitutional Amendment that states if an elected official is under investigation for any form of violation, that they would be required to step aside temporarily while their case is ruled? Apparently there needs to be some sort of legal deterrent to encourage only good behavior and working within the laws of this country. Too many politicians; not enough leaders.

    • Joe H.

      If we did that, at any given time, over half of the elected officials of this country would have to step aside!!! Might be safer, at that!!

      • WickedPickle

        Hell, their doing that already with their breaks, vacations and holiday times.. And worse! You temporarily sit them to the side, I guarantee it will be WITH pay (giving them even more paid free time) and what if their found guilty?? Before you can kick them hard and prosecute, they will resign with full pension benefits.. So you see? It’s all a ‘win-win’ situation with slugs like that and the ONLY way it can back up on them is if their kind (political family) turns their backs on them which will not happen because then no one (in this family of thieves) will be able to trust each other again thus, as they will be the final say, it won’t account to spit in a bucket as justice goes.

    • MNIce

      Bad idea – the Democrats would file hundreds of false ethics complaints against every Republican except for the minimum number of RINOs needed to get a quorum.

      The answer is for voters to follow George Washington’s advice to “diligently inquire into the character” of the candidates before voting. John Adams noted that our system is “wholly unfit for any other than a religious people,” and Thomas Jefferson also emphasized the importance of Christian character in elected officials.

      I’m not advocating a religious test. I am saying we should look for evidence of Christian sanctification in the lives of our politicians. Those of you who do not understand what this is, or the importance or desirability of having such, see me after class for a lesson in basic theology – you do not know Christianity nor its motivations (and will be unqualified to criticize it until you do).

      • professor

        Only a “moral people” can live free!

        Corrupt countries with criminal populations can never be given freedom! Freedom requires that people willingly respect and obey the laws. There is no way to legislate “freedom.”

        Our founders wrote the Constitution thinking that Americans would always embrace their Christian heritage and their patriotism!
        When our country accepted immorality, crime and corruption, we lost our rights to be a free people. We can thank, “diversity, political correctness, and multicultralism.”

        • APN

          Well said Professor! You simply cannot legislate morality. Our system of Government was established predominantly by CHRISTIAN men of moral principle and character. A system designed specifically for a peoples of deep faith in GOD who understood that FREEDOM comes from GOD, not men.

          I do not trust ANYONE who does not believe in GOD and his WORD given to us through the Holy Scripture. Anyone who denies the fact that our Founders were guided by a Higher Power are just FOOLISH or ignorant. Anyone who would place their future or Family’s future in the hands of another man is even MORE foolish. How anyone could trust a person who does not believe in GOD, eludes me.

          A person who does not understand the consequences of BAD behavior in this lifetime, simply cannot be trusted. In fact, they will do or say anything to achieve all their EARTHLY desires because there is no afterlife, in their little minds. Kinda sounds like Washington, doesn’t it? Barney Frank is a prime example of those in Washington who “represent” WE THE PEOPLE or the moral decline of WE THE PEOPLE.

          Given the current moral decline in America, I truly pity the man or woman who becomes our next President. Unless of course it is Barack Obama, which fits this culture of moral decay perfectly, not to mention all his C&P friends.

        • Thinking about

          How about spending $100 million proving what?

    • Rufus

      What happen to innocence until proven guilty? If you want to get the corruption out of our government, you need to get the money out of the elections. The system is set up that those with the money get the access. The rest of us just babble about on sites like this. This is not a left right fight. Those who have the money support both sides. The only way to get back to a government that deals with the issues that affect all of us is to get the money out. Good luck with that after what the supreme court ruled.

      • professor

        Rufus, there are two sides, but the “sides” are “government vs people!” The politicians are on one side and real Americans are on the other.

        There will be corruption in Washington until all “our money” is taken away from the Federal Government! They control this country with their power to “tax and spend, i.e.,steal, waste, and buy favor with our money.”

        Give the power to “tax and spend” to the States! Divide the power among the fifty States so that Americans can better benefit from the tax dollars collected. Right now, the only beneficiaries of taxes collected are the criminal Marxists in Washington and their friends (in and out of country.)

  • James Foley

    Since “Top 10″ appears to be popular only because of Letterman, drop it and go for a Top 100 list. Less limiting but some will still fall off the the bottom and it would give a clearer picture of the cesspool in DC. What would be really interesting is a list of the bureaucrats that support this activity no matter who is shuffled into a seat. Congressmen and senators come and go… bureaucrats are forever.

  • DavidH

    Remove them all, forcibly if necessary!

    • Gerry

      IF NECESSARY???!!! You mean to say it is not necessary yet? Man are we screwed if this is the way we are currently thinking. Our country is in trouble and we have to ask “If Necessary”.

      • JCfromDC

        Yeah? But who will vote that in? The same elected “representatives”? Fat chance. The same “representatives” whom we would expect to vote in term limits, salary cut-off when they leave office, Social Security the same as the rest of us… on and on… Republican Democracy is over. Franklin remarked in 1787, “we have given you a Republic… if you can keep it.” Well folks, we slept, the “Rievers” took over, and now WE lost. We have no one to blame but ourselves. The wolves have been guarding the sheep since Woodrow Wilson. WE put THEM in there. So where now does the blame now ultimately lay? At our OWN feet!

        • APN

          Yep! Hard to argue with COLD hard FACTS.

    • Thinking about

      it is time to get rid of those who request earmarks when we need to cut spending.

  • Sharon Goodwin

    I’ve said it before. None of them can be trusted. I think they are all crooks and are not out to help the American People period. Everyone of them should be on this list. No doubt about it. Self centerness and money hungry they are and shove anyone to the side if they get the least bit in the way. What constitution are they talking about because they sure don’t abide by it. It went bye bye long time ago. Our Country has gone to Hell in a bag and they think they are all in heaven. They will soon turn there head and be shocked to find out they had been in Hell all along. This may not be sticking to the subject but how can you keep it seperate lol.

    • dan

      I don’t want to go all Biblical on you,Sharon,but America IS Babylon.

      • prepared

        Lets all join together and pray for them. The prayer is written

        PSALM 109:8

      • Gman

        Dan: I just wan to ask you; If most Americans don’t read or understand if they do read the Bible, How can we get people to see that our blessings come from God and He is king them back because of the way we DON’T interact with Him ?

  • Spencer

    When there are no meaningful standards of behavior, corruption is like a cancer that starts locally then spreads to other vital organs. It may be controlled in the beginning, but eventually it overwhelms the systems that are designed to control it and it overtakes its victim. That has happened to America. The Founding Fathers knew it would come and tried to build in checks and balances. But, the forces of evil are strong and they keep pushing to find the weak spots. Unfortunately the weak spot is man himself, whether he or she has an “R” or a “D” behind his or her name makes no difference. “The heart of man is exceedingly wicked; who can understand it?” God does! Maybe that’s why no one in Congress is standing up for the Ten Commandments; because it would be too self convicting!

    • Gman

      Spencer: As i said to Dan, most of us Americans don’t know or adhere to the Bible. That’s why we are in the shape we are in. Since Satan has us all deceived, how do we change that ? I fear that not until the TRIBULATION will we see a change come over the people. Until then, this EVIL world will just keep spinning to it’s inevitable doomsday scenario.

      • APN


        I agree with you completely. It will take a tribulation to get this nation turned back to GOD, no doubt.

  • nanc

    Sharon you and I think alike.

  • Trashman

    We still get to vote:


  • tim

    Another vote for the low life scum harry ried here!!! He did everything he could to buy votes in nevada….. But you can bet he’s always up to no good to make his wallet thicker!!!

    • eddie47d

      Assumptions not facts rule your thought process Tim. The same with Ted below who wants to take on (impeach) Democrats but ignores the Republicans. Now if Liberty gets attacked from the right shouldn’t you be taking them on too?

      • APN

        WOW! Eddie47D! I agree with you. Given that, life is full of WONDERS.

  • Ted

    Everyone talks impeachment. Impeach Obama, impeach Holder, impeach, Kagan. OK? Anyone listening? Anyone doing any impeaching? Nope! I don’t see anything affecting these people. It’s business as usual. I would love to go to the polls and vote for at least three people who I believe, are not liars and truly have this country’s best interest at heart but, it ain’t gonna happen. With the public outrage that has existed for the past three years, no impeachments have been initiated, no sanctions have been levied. I’d love to be optimistic. I can’t right now.

  • Steven Jokinen

    Here is the prize for corruption in government.
    Top 10 Wealthiest Congress Members

    Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) — $448 million.
    Rep. Mike McCaul (R-TX) — $380 million.
    Senator John Kerry (D-MA) — $232 million.
    Senator Mark Warner (D-VA) — $193 million.
    Senator Herb Kohl (D-WI) — $174 million.
    Rep. Jared Polis (D-CO) — $143 million.
    Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL) — $136 million.
    Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) — $101 million.
    Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) — $99 million.
    Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) — $85 million.

    These are just the people in office now. Not the ones running for President.

    Note you don’t even make the list under 85 million.

    • JCfromDC

      … and they say the Republicans are the “party of the rich”? Looks like a 30% minority to me.


      Darrell Issa is the only one on the list that made his money by starting a business, and then selling it at a profit. The rest have either inherited their wealth, or made it AFTER they went into politics.

    • 45caliber

      Hey! John Kerry has had to work hard for his money! He married his wife!

      • Lastmanstanding

        and her dead husband who made all that money has been rolling in his grave at what it is being used for…

    • APN

      …and if you took the sum of the whole LOT of them, you would still have a big ZERO!

  • Steven Jokinen

    Sorry I take that back there is one running for president.

  • jopa

    sc;Judicial Watch is a Conservative publication,Do you really think they would list more Republicans and be honest about the real corruption in DC.This is just another attempt to smear our current administration.When there are no listings of the pirates in the last administration that cost us trillions dig a little deeper.

    • Jeep

      Why do you feel the need to “dig a little deeper”? All one has to do is scrape the surface in DC to watch the current crop of criminals scatter like cockroaches. I must conclude that in your lefty lunatic dream world that the admission of corruption by your messiah assaults your scewed sensibilities and would upset your mental balance.

    • s c

      j, some people want to go through life without having to grow up. YOU are one of those ‘people.’ Some people expect to live off others. Those are the people you helped to put into office.
      Between you and the ‘people’ you help put into office, I’d rather find friends via a phone book. Predictability makes you what you are, and that’s also why trying to communicate with a utopian is a pure waste of time. Anyone who can confuse being a winner with being a LOSER is someone who isn’t worth my time. In the process, America gets raped by having to endure the mentality that makes utopianism what it is.
      You should have lived when FDR was raping and saddling America with mountains of debt and a world war. Thanks to your ‘efforts,’ we’re being hosed via FDR II. Thanks for NOTHING. That’s exactly what
      your ‘efforts’ are worth.
      Keep your eyes on your kids and your grandkids when they understand what you did to America, comrade.

      • eddie47d

        SC would have to robo call everyone in the phone book to even come up with one friend. Stop trying to be so desperate and cheap SC.

        • APN

          Eddie47d….No need for SC to use the phone book, he/she can add me to the friend list….no problem!

        • joe H.

          Same here eddie!!!! I’ll take her as a friend!!! A whole lot faster than YOU, that’s for sure!!

  • Lastmanstanding

    and yet they all laugh at us…now that have passed a law that eliminates scathing letters, email, and correspondence that lets them know that they are voting, acting unconstitutionally, etc.

    next it will be their discretion of what is to radical on the internet…for them that is…

    think about that for a while…2nd amendment is next regardless of the next pres…unless we ALL vote Ron Paul 2012

    • http://personallibertydigest Joel

      That’s like asking, do you want to get shot in the head or stabbed in the heart!

  • Steven Jokinen

    Oops you have to forgive me I live in massachusetts it is hard to tell the liberal Democrats apart like John Kerry(d) and Mitt Romney (r). Both have said anything to get elected and have the money to buy any vote. Look at the super pac that Mitt just put on in Iowa against Newt Gingrich and denied that he was behind it.

    • http://personallibertydigest Joel

      I used to live in Mass. and then moved back to MI, I just can’t seem to get it right. Of course, does it matter where you move to?

    • joe H.

      NEITHER of them have enough money to buy MY vote!!! It ain’t for sale!

  • Scott in SC

    And yet in the 2010 mid-term elections incumbents won 85% of the races. And looking at the crop of new comers I see more of the same as those they replaced. I believe that 90+% of all elected officials are involved in corruption of some type.

    • 45caliber


      I saw a comment one time some years ago about this.

      Congressmen has the most secure jobs in the US. They have a less than 3% turnover while the rest of the job markets have much more.

  • dan

    if we allow the District of Criminals to do this….
    then maybe Jerimiah Wright DID have a point.

    • s c

      dan, if you mean elected, career criminal politicians, your point is close to the mark. Wright doesn’t deserve to be behind any pulpit, though, as his master is not God.

  • http://personallibertydigest Joel

    It is beginning to look like another civil war coming to a country near you. We have a cancer, it’s called Congress and as they give away our land and farms to foreign interest, our food source, and our soveriengty to the UN, re; 2nd amendment, agenda 21 etc we will then be disarmed and starving. Question is this, will our military shoot down or incarcerate family and neighbors to protect this administration and congress? Just asking!

  • skippy


    • Don

      Skippy, they are not immune to the musket !!

    • Carolyn

      Skippy you are so right. But let’s put one more question in the pot that we are all stirring. It was said on a popular TV show that Marco Rubio was being considered as a vice presidential hopeful. Did anyone stop to think that he is not eligible as his parents are not American born? AS Vice-President he is just one step away from becoming President. All the R’s and D’s in the U.S., are in up to there eyeballs in self-serving, selfish and self-rightous behavior that has deluded them to the facts of life. The politicians were supposed to be servants of the people, we have allowed them to become our rulers for far too long and they feel entitled to whatever their selfish mentality conjures up and most of the people are just too caught up in their own little world to think about actually doing something about it, like get out and vote. The politicians could not buy one vote if we used our God given right to think for ourselves. Yet we wallow in self-pity expecting the other fellow to make it right. Most people don’t even bother to know the issues and the person. They accept what the corrupt media with an agenda tells them to believe and do. This time around we are the “other fellow” and we had better make it count or there just may not be enough time to undo the damage the current politicans have done, both Democrats and Republicans.

  • James

    The U.S. Military trains our soldiers in such a manner that to the casual observer or more correctly the ignorant describes as instilling within them a high degree of attention to detail. When people focus on the outside they fail to see what is really going on. Something else has to be in place first before they can become successful soldiers and that is RESPECT disrespectful people can neither lead nor be led. It has been obvious for over 3 decades that the ruling class has very little concern for the ruled and it stems from arrogance, unchecked arrogance leads to ignorance, and a self centered person is an ignorant person. The scary and sad fact the ignorant amongst us is that elected officials will not be dissuaded from the simple threat of being voted out, so many connections are made that future success whether as a lobiest or otherwise is nearly guaranteed. The only way people like this can be dealt with is through taking from them what is most valuable to them and that is themselves either through imprisonment or one other way( I will let you figure that one). Glenn beck and his followers think we can educate the masses but that requires two things, time and an honorable people honor stems from truth does our society embrace truth not really the media demands we continue subsidizing lies by allowing any business to purchase media outlets if truth is to be returned we must stop mfg companies like ge from ownership of media outlets because they willuse it for propaganda purposes to bolster sales and increase revenues if we value our rights we must start with truth and place regulations back on media like we used to if their word is so valuable make them stand on it. The issue of time is another thing when the government controls the education our kids are receiving and the media is compliant to feed us what the government approves of time is not on our side. That brings us to another aspect of truth in media they cannot be publicly traded nor can they have any participation in the markets just like those elected officials no investment activity of any kind they go to Washington out of deep concern for the country not for personal enrichment, make them stand on their word as well. The man at the top has to be willing to do WHATEVER it takes to put the shackles back on our government by force if necessary and as we all know sometimes the sins committed require correction before one can proceed forward and you can bet your sweet ass that the first requirement is the acknowledgement of God you cannot acknowledge God without first identifying God He has many names and one of them is NOT allah the next thing is life. The arrogance of the politicians and supreme court justices is what keeps them from seeing truth in the abortion issue so in dealing with removing those who embrace the killing of the innocent ,Jesus definition of murder, one would be able to convey the level of force one is willing to apply to turn things around. We have an inside man Bernard madoff who would be willing to reveal a great number of not only politicians but corrupt wallstreeters. This could be done but it will take a David to do it not some ivy league circus clown or an ex Washingtonian. The marine corps training manual has an unnamed quote when a nation makes to great the distinction between it’s scholars and it’s warriors it ends up with scholars (our leaders) that are cowards and warriors that are fools. Fortunately our warriors value with great zeal intelligence sadly the elites amongst us look at our soldiers as beneath them we are halfway down my friends (flat on our ass) , in case I wasn’t clear the David I am referencing is king David of the Jews jesus’ ancestor, he was willing to do the killing necessary

  • Carol J

    And the biggest problem is there is no one running for president for whom I want to vote. How about everyone writing in their own name come election day?

    • Scott in SC

      I feel the same way, but I will vote come election day. Probably for the Liberatrian ticket. I haven’t voted for an incumbent in over 20 years and as you might guess my candidates never win. I refuse to support the criminals currently in office and hope that someday others will do likewise.

    • Marlene

      Brilliant! – NOT. I hope you jest because that’s a positive way to hand the election to Obama, who is the most corrupt, evil, anti-American president this country has ever had the misfortune to have at its helm.

      • Scott in SC

        You are 100% wrong. You are the problem. One of those who wants to feel good about their team winning even though their candidate is the same as the current POTUS, a liberty stealing, wealth re-distributing, America destroying criminal. But hey, he’s our crook.
        Don’t blame me that the GOP has sold out this country, just like the Democrats. Blame yourself for supporting and cheering them on while they did it.

        • skippy

          well, Scott SC….what the hell is your SOLUTION???!!!
          You seems pretty good at dissing Marlene…………..

    • Carolyn

      That is the best and surest way to re-elect Obama.
      Learn to think.

    • 45caliber


      I always said that if I ever decided to run for any office, I would change my legal name to “None of the Above”. I’d win with about 90% of the votes!

    • Gman

      Hey Carol: wouldn’t Obama remain in office ?


    List after list, oBAMA allways makes the list! And it’s allways a bad list! And yet he still wreaks havoc all over are country and he is still in office! And all I can say is why in the hell is he still in office?! IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!

    • 45caliber

      You haven’t heard what HE had to say about that! After all, according to him, he is the fourth best President we’ve ever had – after Lincoln (who threw out the Bill of Rights to get federal power), Johnson (who forced us into Vietnam), and FDR (who fed us socialism). That makes him even better than Washington or any others of our Founding Fathers!

    • MNIce

      If you want that to happen, then pay close attention to your state’s US Senate race. Harry Ried’s Senate is Obama’s protection from the people.

  • JON

    The best part of all is that Michele Bachmann is suspending her campaign!

    • MNIce

      Why do you celebrate the loss of one of the three best candidates? How is this better than Romney or one of the other “moderates” dropping out? Bachmann, Paul and Santorum were the only candidates seriously talking about eliminating the deficit through a return to Constitutional laws.

      • Scott in SC

        because many of the posters here aren’t Conservatives or Americans, they are Republicans.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    What is the evidence that Speaker Gingrich lied? This is an insinuation, pure an simple.

    • 45caliber

      When hasn’t he lied? As far as I can tell, he’s lied every time he’s opened his mouth.

      • skippy

        good point 45!!! :)

      • JON

        As do you, then.

  • http://personallibertydigest Gottaplenty

    If he is a polition he is worthy of scrutiny

  • http://personallibertydigest Gottaplenty

    Read this and do .it. Go to Google and get Dr, Orly Taitz Esquire and give her all the help you can get together. We can have a hand in getting Obummer out if we all pitch in and help.She is to get him in court Jan 6th, to prove his right to office Lets get with her

  • http://personallibertydigest Gottaplenty

    Chuck u here is a chance to help and stop the chatter that will do much good ,wouldn’t you say.

  • LMinDesPlaines

    Why isn’t Eric Holder at the top of the list for his cover-up of Operation Fast and Furious? Two hundred and thirty dead Mexicans and counting and at least two U.S. border agents dead. Is human life so cheap today that a sex scandal takes precedence over loss of life. (On a side note: Is anyone out there old enough to remember Watergate? Day after day of televised Congressional inquiries. It was just a break-in–no one died. With F&F we have over 200 dead and nary a peep out of the media! Oh yes, that’s right: the former involved a president with an “R” after his name; the latter, a “D” after his name. For all you Lefties out there, just keep repeating: “There is no media bias, there is no media bias, . . . .)

    The insider trading scandal should come in a close second after Operation Fast and Furious–but why name just one congressman? Apparently it is legal for all congressmen and senators to engage in insider trading. Can anyone really believe for a second that our Congressional leaders (I use the term “leaders” loosely) have the country’s best interest at heart? Or do you suppose they have their stock portfolio’s best interest at heart? Any why hasn’t the media, both Left and Right, made a bigger issue of this? It seems to me this is one of the biggest threats to our nation today (except, perhaps, Obama’s agenda).

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear LMinDesPlaines,

      Because Bachus precedes Holder alphabetically.

      Best wishes,

  • Spyder dalton

    Pelosi and Frank only get a dishonerable mention? obama and Holder are not at the top?
    What moron made this list?

  • william L Collins

    well they need to go in to the riged blumberage caucuss elections too they made sure his two new chosen men for the new world order won 1st and 2nd in the Iowa caucuass romney and siturum how ever you spell 2nd place winner name in iowa caucuass they bouth are the same as Obama nouthing will chang they bouth will lie just like obama and keep takeing our freedoms and rights away and yes the mojority of the dems voted yea and one turn coat repub, from okla, jim enhoffe voted for the NDAA bill here is one oklahomaen that has lost all respect for this man all that voted for it the way i see it should be the ones that are locked up indeffit

    • Scott in SC

      just to set the record straight, more Republicans than Democrats voted for the NDAA 2012 bill. Sad but true.

  • Fred Thomas

    12 D’s, 5 R’s, looks lopsided to anyone assessing these findings.


    My written response to political survey’s requesting money is this:

    ” It seems that all you do is take my check, throw the survey away
    and cash the check, then spend the money doing what YOU want NOT
    what I, or others have said in the survey. In other words, A POLITICAL SCAM”.

  • ranger hall

    YES The Military And the Police WILL Shoot any American On the Commands of the POWERS To Be. From your City, County,State, And Your Federal People in Office. Men, Women, and your Kids. They will not care. They will just follow Orders and shoot on Command. WACO,TEXAS is an example of what our Police will do ON ORDERS. Only ONE Policeman out of hundreds said this was all WRONG and not handled within proper Legal law enforcement. HE WAS THE ONLY MAN THAT WALKED AWAY. Man Women and Kids, And WE made heros out of these Policemen.

    • 45caliber

      I’ve seen and heard a lot about Waco but this is the first I’ve seen of this.

      One of the ATF people on site lives near here. He stated that a number of them objected after the first attack when the ATF leader – after talking to someone in Washington – ordered them to shoot any person they saw including the kids. All of them were fired and had to walk several miles before they could reach a phone to call for a ride. Further, he stated that EVERY person shot was shot by the ATF and the Davidians didn’t hit anyone – if they shot at all. Yet several Davidians were sentenced to prison over this – a couple of whom weren’t even on site.

      • Sirian

        I agree with what you’ve said you had heard from a former ATF person except for one thing – “he stated that EVERY person shot was shot by the ATF and the Davidians didn’t hit anyone – if they shot at all.”
        I, plus who knows how many others have watched video on the ATF assault. When the agents had climbed up ladders onto a section of the roof, near a window to gain entry, there were rounds fired through not only the window at the agents but also you could clearly see them coming through the wall. It was one or more of those rounds that hit one of the agents. And it was obvious that he had been hit – people naturally drop when they get hit. He dropped very quickly. Unless there were ATF agents already inside and they inadvertently got mixed up in a “friendly fire” situation that was never spoke of (oh Lord, I’ve probably started another conspiracy theory) it could have only been one or more Davidians firing from within. The entire escapade of course was but one of Janet Reno’s mindless directives. But again, the video quite obviously shows something totally different from what I quoted you said above. Honestly, the return fire, if even that, came from within the building directed at the agents. Was the way they handled Waco right – absolutely not!! But there remains proof positive video that clears the air on this particular issue.

    • http://personallibertydigest Joel

      Ranger, what was the name of the female AG at that time? I always thought that she got away with murder. Those little kids had no fault in anything. When you said Waco it brought to mind, Wounded Knee, Trail of Tears, and The Long Walk. I would hope on hope the military is better than that today. I think this will not end well if we get more Obama and a corrupt Congress.

      • 45caliber

        Her name was Janet Reno. She also approved the attack on Ruby Ridge. Her first order was to tell the FBI agents investigating Clinton’s connection with drug lords to drop the case. When a couple refused, she had them fired.

    • joe H.

      ranger hall,
      There are some called “oath keepers” That don’t fit that mold!!! They will only shoot if you are or have committed a crime and they are threatened.

  • 45caliber

    I can think of a few others that should be on the list as well.

    And I’m interested to see that impeachment for Hastings when he was a federal judge for taking a bribe didn’t harm his chances of running for Congress …

    • MNIce

      I understand he comes from a district with a large majority of people who sell their votes for welfare benefits. In that respect, he’s truly their representative.

  • ranger hall

    PEOPLE its not only your Federal Employees elected or on the payroll the stealing has worked its way down to your State and your Counties and your Cities.All these People have learned how to Steal from the People LEGALY right on down to the lowest employees. People spend time and SEE where all your money is going. Some of your most wasted is in your POLICE and FIREDEPTS. Just check the records. And right into our Military. AS these are the people the Powers to Be use to keep us under control.

    • professor

      The government sets systems in place to encourage waste, theft, and budget increases!

      Balancing the budget and using money wisely, is penalized! Also penalized is a good “work ethic” and “jobs well-done under budget!” Unions are a big part of the problem, but government agencies come a close second..

      Corrupt leaders in Washington sets the standard and others follow their lead…. Purge Washington, make it an example. You will see improvement in the State and local politicians.

  • ranger hall

    45 Caliber.
    The first shot was Fired by the Fed agents. The People returned some fire WITH SEMI Auto fire, The Feds used FULL Auto fire. IF you know about pOLICE PROCEDURE, THE CRIME SITE IS TO BE PROTECTED UNTILL AN INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETED. yOU WILL SEE THIS WAS NOT DONE. tHE SITE WAS COMPLETLY SCRAPED CLEAN AND ALL EVIDENCE WAS CARTED AWAY BY THE FEDS. NOTE: these people were never tried or convicted for any crime.The Feds and the Media said there kids were missed treated and abused, Medical people and social service People were allowed in when they came out they reported that they had not seen any sign of mistreatment and never seen a group as well adjusted as these kids. THIS was only mentioned once in the Media. The Feds and the Media quoted that some people were arrested on firearms charges and JAILED. What they failed to report was that these people was jailed for three days, And that there was no firearms charges filed againest them. also they failed to report that these people had to go to court to have there Legal property returned to them. NOW where is the abuse of Power. WHY ??? Religion and the Constitution. Be careful when you belive in these things, And you have the Guts to stand up for them.

    • 45caliber

      ranger hall:
      When the attack was over, the governor sent in Rangers to investigate. Somewhere I’ve got a list of the weapons found on site – none were fully auto. The Feds told the Rangers to leave. The Ranger in charge informed the Feds that they were there to conduct an investigation and they would conduct it. The Feds told the Ranger to leave or else.

      The Ranger’s reply: “As I see it you have three choices. We investigate while you step aside. You go to jail. We kill you. Your choice.”

      They investigated.

      I know this isn’t about Waco but I will try to be brief. On the way to work the final morning, I was listening to a news program on the radio. They called their reporter in the field for a report. He stated that he didn’t know what was going on but something was. He had seen five ambulances and seven fire trucks move up to the site the Feds were using. When I got to work, I turned on my radio there to continue to listen.

      When the fire broke out, a Federal spokesman, on site, was asked why they didn’t send up fire trucks to put out the fire before everything burned down. His reply was that they didn’t expect a fire and no fire trucks were available. Interesting.

      The next evening I was watching TV news on this. They allowed the reporters to come up no closer than 200 yards. There was basically a mound of ash. On top the mound was an M-60 machine gun with a polished wooden stock. They insisted that they had found the machine gun in the ashes and it proved that the Davidians had automatic weapons. I had a nurse friend who worked at the nearest hospital – where they sent many of the dead bodies. She told me that after examining the bodies, they contacted the doctors at the other two hospitals to receive the bodies.

      All bodies were shot through the forehead and were killed that way.

      You cannot easily shoot yourself through the head. They were trained to shoot themselves under the chin to commit suicide. The doctors and nurses believed that all had been shot by someone else who was not killed in the attack. The belief was that the Feds had gotten in the night before and shot all of them execution style. Then they burned the place to prevent questions. There was a tape running around for awhile of un-edited reporter video. One picture was of the tank pulling back from crushing into the building – and fire was trickling down from the flame thrower on the tank.

      There were a number of other questions I also had. None were answered.

      • professor

        First of all, I have no sympathy for this cult. Secondly, was this handled badly…yes.

        But, I believe the local towns people and the police. I believe them because the stories about the way these people lived are normal “cult activities.” Sexual abuse is to be expected. The illustrious leaders are usually perverts, and the people accept these living conditions because they are weak in character and need the cult, more than they need to be free. People that give up their children to be molested by a pervert, they deem a deity, are not people of “sound minds.” The children are the “innocents” and the tragedy is that their parents were not fit to have brought them into the world.

        Rather than blaming the authorities, and I know why you are, blame the cult leader that would rather execute his followers and set fire to the ranch than to give up. He could have saved all the lives of “his people”…again, this is not an unusual reaction by a cult leader. Had he wished to cooperate there would not have been weapons drawn or even available at the ranch for these “peace loving harmless cultists” to use. Why the guns? Why challenge authority and refuse to face the charges if he were “innocent?”

        You may assume correctly that I think little of cult members that can mindlessly follow some antisocial misfit, quasi-criminal, perverted cult leader that didn’t want to get prosecuted.

        For what purpose would the police or the Feds want to “execute” these cult members. To me, the only person that would benefit by executing any witnesses to his crimes would be the pervert, himself.

  • http://FirefoxMazzila Jim (Akron Gadfly) Joslin

    Michael: A very thorough compilation of the elemental components of sewage that we have in our upper chamber of Congress. I believe that I have heard that one state (Was is Montana-I think) is going on a recall campaign for every senator in their state that voted for that outrageous, crap-smeared legislation (HDAA). I sincerely believe that EVERY state in the union should follow suit. Admittedly, I lack the procedural knowledge to institute this mission, but barring that, I would definitely be out to remove our Michigan senatorial trash that signed on to this despicable, treacherous “so-called” legislation. Sadly, we don’t seem to have the legal mechanism to
    provide an instantaneous exit for these traitors, and immediacy would be a very desirable characteristic for this type of venture. I think
    Clair Wolfe had the right idea–and I think it is about time to “shoot the b——s”. Ta, ta for now………..
    that despicable

  • Buck

    The relevent point ? Help the Tea party and the Constitutional conservatives find people with honesty and integrity to run for office . The national LSM won’t tell who the crooks are , especially if they are demonrats like themselves, so we have to PERSONALLY dig up everything we can on all contenders for public office . All this corruption has come about because US citizens were too lazy or uninvolved to care , obviously this can’t continue .

  • DaveH
    • http://none R Paul or status quo

      DaveH, I saw that one as well. Then i noticed after Iowa, it seemed as obama went immediately to campaign mode. I look at the people smiling, clapping, cheering for this just as they were before he was elected. They look normal, smart, well dressed. I was on a huff. post blog the other day just to see how Ron was being trashed and obama being heralded. It disgusted me immensely. I thought I had enough ammo, but I’m going now for more componets and back to my reloading. This looks abysmal to me. Like an article on here the other day of how much money obama is going to throw at his campaign. Looks to me like there is not going to be a shortage of targets, and I’m a peaceful guy.

  • Ridge Runner

    I didn’t see this on holder listed on the comments about waco,oklahoma cityand ruby ridge. Holder as asst. d.a. under janet lesbo reno was defentlty tied to okla.and the fbi through him funished the explosives to do the job. Holder and the fbi knew this building was going to be blown up and did nothing to stop it. This is your tax dollars at work This is your gov protecting you.isn’t it wonderful.It is all on the internet seek and you shall find.this whole damn gov from top to bottom is out of the people’s control and has been for a long time.I think quite a few of these people should be in prision doing life or dead.Holder should be one of them.

  • Steven Jokinen

    45Caliber. Its been a long time but please let me try to give you some new pieces to the puzzle. I worked at a company that manufactured special kevlar piercing bullets. These bullets would travel through all 24 layers of kevlar the FBI were waring vests that were 24 layers of kevlar. No other type of bullet on the market at that time had the ability to do what we did with ours. We sold them in lots of 500 that were loaded in 22 caliper 5.62MM military (M-16)rounds we sold them to FBI and the CIA, ONLY. No one had used this type,they were new to the market, no one had access to them and we controlled who they were sold to very closely. When I had heard that two FBI agents were shot entering the buildings at first I was shocked, I found out latter that one had died. I wanted to know what happened. So I stayed on the case to find out the details of how one of our FBI agent could have been killed. The question in my mind was what did the Branch Davidian people have that would pierce though kevlar? Weeks latter I found out the truth one agent was shot in the foot by his own weapon climbing the latter the FBI put up to get on to the roof the other agent was shot by(friendly fire) another agent the bullet that was crafted had succeeded in its mission of going through kevlar and it was blamed on the David Kerrish’s people and that was the justification we came up with to kill innocent citizens of the United States of America. To treat them like terrorists and now the government with NDAA have the legal right to go further than ever before. How far can they go? What is farther than this? The FBI the News media and the government in the end did not tell us the truth. Why? What do they have to fear? This is what we do, around the world in other countries to innocent people. Do you see why they all want to kill us? Lets get out of all the countries we are trying to control and try not to be the bully we think we need to because our type of government is right and everything else is wrong. Lets defend our freedom at home. Vote for Ron Paul.

    • 45caliber


      Thanks for the extra info. I didn’t realize that.

      I did know that shooting started when one of the ATF people (not the FBI) shot himself through the foot. He carelessly shot while climbing, yelled “I’m shot!” and the shooting started. Koresh himself was at the door talking with two men there. When this occurred, one of the ATF men drew a pistol and shot Koresh in the stomach.

      There were four of them killed – all by friendly fire. Two of them were Secret Service men on loan to the ATF. In the full video, they climbed a ladder, went to an upstairs window and climbed in. Another ATF man followed, looked into the window, threw in a grenade, and then emptied a magazine. Then he ran back to the ladder and climbed down. No one has identified him.

      Incidently, there were NO stories about the sexual misbehavior of any of those there until after the shooting. Not even the CPS who had visited stated anything about this until after even though they had been out to investigate. Their only complaint until then was that the youth were being indoctrinated to believe whatever Koresh said. So it was NOT an excuse to attack until later.

  • talob

    Is it to late to take our country back? Here is an interesting alternative they have the right idea.

  • Steven Jokinen

    Talob It is never to late to do the right thing!!!!!!

  • Steven Jokinen

    45 You are right not the FBI it was the ATF. Its been a long time I did get them mixed up. Thanks

  • Matt

    I’ll get right to our real and imminent danger. If marshal law is imposed, and it no doubt will be, will the military shoot civilians if ordered? Not the older ones, but the young no doubt would. It is hard to ever think it would get to that point, but the way things are it can happen and soon. First will be the law to turn in your guns, when we tell them to go to hell, that will be the next step. What they do then will be the end of the governement telling us what to do because we will tell them to go straight to hell.


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