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10 Years After

August 31, 2011 by  

10 Years After

I almost decided against writing a column about the upcoming anniversary of the darkest American day in the past 60 years or so. After all, what could I possibly say that hasn’t already been said? I remember 9/11 in vivid detail, but so does everyone born before 1996. I could scribble some maudlin verse, pulling the drapes on your soul for the day; but with the possible exception of the management of and some of the population of Dearborn, Mich., everyone finds the memories of that foul day miserable already. Between now and Sept. 11, you’re going to be bombarded with every horrifying image the media can dredge up and plaster across your television screen.

Instead, I’m going to lighten the mood by speaking directly to the perpetrators of those dastardly deeds on that deadly day. Here’s hoping they have Wi-Fi in the caves of Waziristan, Pakistan.

All right, Islamofascists, pay attention when I say 9/11 was a big moment. I’ll admit it: You cleaned our clocks. Your act of bloodthirsty savagery brought the world to a halt. Even the Japanese, who still think World War II ended badly, had to have been impressed. And you have certainly marked us up since then. However, to deploy some of that sports colloquia of which we Americans are so fond: Have you looked at the scoreboard lately?

You blew it. If your goal was to divide us to the point of collapse, then I’ve got bad news, boys: All you did was change the subject. Sure, we’ve wrapped the rope of paranoia around our own necks, but we’ll never choke ourselves out; we’re pulling the noose in both directions. Our intramural fight has been roaring across the fruited plain since long before you waged your first jihad against the kid who took your falafel money back at the madrassa.

You also fumbled in the backfield when it came to scouting. You placed 19 of your best jihadists inside the United States. They learned to fly passenger jets; and even without bothering to learn superfluous details such as taking off and landing, that left a lot of time for strip clubs (which Mohammed Atta and the gang evidently exploited with vigor). Then, they commandeered four airplanes and hit the eastbound prayer rugs one last time before dragging 2,973 accursed infidels into the inferno.

I hate to burst your bubble, guys, but was that the best you could do? Years of planning, doubtless millions of dollars (in singles, of course) and down-to-the-minute execution, and your plan to bring Western society to its knees by striking at the heart of its greatest city couldn’t net a body count higher than the seating capacity at a minor league ballpark? Even factoring in the military heroes who have fallen since we began mowing you down, we’ve still given up fewer people than a good night at Madison Square Garden. In fact, you clowns are no longer a guaranteed sell for the lead story — especially if we’re taking one of our politicians down a notch.

We kill each other over a good place in line for the Thanksgiving doorbuster sale at Best Buy™. About a century and half ago, we fought a war during which we would bury 9/11’s worth in an hour. And that war was an intrasquad scrimmage. For that matter, take a look at our murder rate. For that matter, notice how many of your compatriots we’ve martyred in the past decade. From my perspective, the last thing you want to do when you see two guys outside your weight class throwing punches is to convince them to stop pounding on each other and come after you.

It took us 10 years (actually longer), but we finally treated your MVP to the proverbial dirt nap. Osama bin Laden hid from us in his gilded cage, but despite a national debate which makes your soccer riots look like an argument over who gets the last petit fours at the Junior League social, we still managed to air condition his cranium. We never quit. And we multitask: We stopped swatting at each other only long enough to start swatting you.

Add to that the fact that you’ve pretty much stamped your own expiration date. You either die when the plane hits the building, or you die when your explosives-laden van gets lit up by some Ranger sharpshooter, or you die when the Ranger sharpshooter pings you before you can start the explosives-laden van or, worse, we capture you. Waging jihad against the United States creates a pretty short career arc.

While it is certainly true that our nation is as divided as it has been since perhaps the end of the Civil War, I would venture that that division, while magnified by differing attitudes regarding the best response to Islamofascism, is just that: magnified, not created.

Perhaps that’s the best lesson for the potential terrorists — although, I expect their learning curve is flatter than the ratings curve for a Charlie Sheen comeback. We already hate each other, so trying to spook us with the Islamofascist version is merely going to grab our attention. And trust me, Akbar (or whatever), once you grab our attention, you might as well don the Semtex waistcoat — because not even Allah will save you (not that he was particularly interested to begin with). In a best-case (by your twisted standards) scenario, you only get waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay.

Ten years have passed, and look at what you’ve gained. Thousands of your fellow misfits are ululating in front of Allah. Actually, they probably aren’t ululating in front of Allah, unless he has taken a field trip to the underworld. You’re either living in caves or some godforsaken desert. Every time you leave your yurt, you have to look both ways for cruise missiles before crossing the goat path. The only countries willing to talk to you are hardly countries at all — unless someone did some serious cleanup in Somalia. We’ve made some errors since 9/11, but we can fix those with a relatively nonviolent election next November. I don’t like your odds of surviving to next November.

When I was a wee lad, my grandfather took me down to lower Manhattan to see the World Trade Center. Poppy and I stood underneath one of the towers and marveled at the illusion created by the stupendous height of the building: The tower was actually curving back over us. That was 35 years ago. You knocked down the building, and yet, I still remember that day with my grandfather as if it happened yesterday. You tried to take that memory from me, and you failed.

In response to 9/11, we took some steps which constitute overreaction. We scared the kids — and ourselves — a good bit. We even turned more of our rage against ourselves than is particularly healthy. Some Americans even cheer your madness. But we survived 9/11, and we will survive anything else you might try to hurl in our direction.

So, happy anniversary to Islamofascists near and far. We got you a present. If you peek outside the cave, you’ll probably see the delivery truck. It’s marked “U.S. Marines.” Enjoy.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • DaveH

    Actually, I think 9/11 was very effective. They gave our Leaders the excuse they needed to Spend our economy into oblivion, and to trample our 4th Amendments rights even more dramatically than the Drug War excuse. What more could Muslims hope for than to turn our country into the kind of repressive environment they are used to:

    • slayerwulfe

      Their’s is self imposed for some reason I can’t understand. I have no problem being ruled by our gov’t but I will never submit to a religion.

      • Vicki

        To misquote a famous line from “The Patriot”
        “Tell me if you will… Mr Slayerwulfe. Why should I trade a tyranny of man who believe in a god for a tyranny of man who believe they are god?

        You are welcome to be ruled if you wish. There are plenty of countries that will oblige you. I, for one, choose to live free as did my fore fathers and theirs back thru time.

        • Truman

          Well said Vicki, well said…

        • Mark Are

          Thank you Vicki! Apparently you have a brain unlike the writer of this article.

        • JeffH

          Vicki, far and away the best response that could have been made.

          • Kate8

            Vicki – Indeed. Best response possible.

            I also agree with DaveH. I think 9/11 had exactly the intended effect, whoever was behind it. America has been in a state of accelerated collapse ever since.

            I just read where QE3 is in store for the end of Sept. We’ll be there before we know it.

        • Former Walmart person

          Let me ask an old Jew who lived under Hitler how it was being under a godless government. Oh, my bad, I can’t.

        • Jay

          Vicki, you made an excellent, excellent statement. It’s exactly what i wanted to say, but you said it so much better!!!

        • doc evans

          Where do you live? I’d like to find that paradise!

          • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

            And where is it you live Doc, hmmm, Russia China, Iran, Iraq. You whiners have the right to whine, why,,,,Oh yes because you live in a free society. If you do not like it leave it!

        • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

          Hurray for Vickie! Sher uses her free will and thinks!!!

      • Vulpine

        Think about what you said, slayerwulfe: “I will never submit to a religion.” Aren’t you doing that when you promote the far right extremists in the Republican Party? It’s time to get away from the extremes on either side and start compromising so our country can again get back to the business of being the greatest country on Earth.

        • s c

          First things first. Ben, you can do a lot better than this. DaveH is right on target. 10 years after the ‘event,’ America has something entrenched in bed with us, and it’s polite name is home security. Someone get that damned thing out of the bed, please.
          Vulpine, I don’t know what your problem is, but when you can group conservatives and ‘Republicans’ together, and you top it off with a slice of right-wing wacko crap, I suspect that the biggest factor in that scenario is between your ears.
          Compromise has had MUCH to do with screwing-up America. The ‘fine art’ of compromise is for lower-life forms (mainly politicians). If you can find ways to be comfy with people who amount to career criminals, I don’t need you ‘on my side,’ I don’t see a whole lot of difference between an Islamofascist and YOU, bubba.
          America needs LEADERSHIP, and selling your ass in the name of compromise will keep all potential leaders from being leaders. We need to identify suck-ups, socialists, alinskyites, career criminals who who call themselves ‘leaders,’ wannabe prostitutes of all manner and let them know that their proper place is in another country. This is America. People like Obummer Obummer’s robots , parasites and Vulpine need not apply. You’ve been replaced – at long last.

          • Alice

            I started to reply to vulpine, then I saw s c’s reply and did not need to improve upon it. There are, indeed, people called “far right” nuts. I do not consider them right oriented. Being on the right means being in the right. Right means: work for yourself and family, carry your own load, limit government and government spending, limit taxes, get back to a constitutional republic. The people called “far right” are not right at all, just stupid. They are, thankfully, easier to recognize than far leftists. Leftists lie to trick people into agreeing. So called far right nuts are out there for all to see.

          • Jim Benat

            The mindless primitives in the Mid-East jihad movement are just part of the problem. The Russians and Chineese are supporting them in every way to weaken us. When we have exausted our resources fighting these cave dwellers they will step in and swat the primitives, take thier oil fields and conquer us.
            So what’s the answer? As I see it we must get this, so called, “war on terror” over with by taking off the gloves, forgetting about collateral damage and start leveling some cities and turning the rest of thier little oasis into glass. Then crank up our oil, coal and natural gas production so we don’t need the goat herders petroleum output.
            Of course it might help to get liberals and muslims out of our government for starters.

          • Old Henry

            Excellent post S C.

            Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice
            Barry Goldwater

          • Old Henry

            Exactly Jim Benat, exactly.

          • professor

            “Compromise” has brought this country to its knees! We have compromised our prosperity, our morality, our security, our rights, and our exceptionalism….all in the name of Diversity, Political Correctness and Multiculturalism (all weapons of the progressives)!

            There should never be “Compromise,” when doing the “right thing.”

          • sylviam

            sc—I was going to try to rebutt you but I read the whole thing instead, Now I want to Thank You for your relpy, BRAVO,hopefully there is an encore on its way.
            BEN CRYSTAL—-a good thing you did for the Muslems, that is they understood your sarcasim. But wheather they did or not, you piss them off. Their Allah is nothing more than a “man” who, by-the-way, was poisened, so did he really become a martar or just another DEAD extremest. maybe thats when was made “allah” think so???
            But 9/11 did not do the damage they wanted it to do, so I guess they failed, and NO MARTARDOM there. I am not trying to make light of what did happen, because it was nothing short of a catastrophy. But then “WE” are the infedels, but It didn’t deatroy the USA, PEOPLE sre stronger for it because WE DO put LIVES above all else. Thats not a FAILURE, nor a FLAW, it is RESPECT FOR OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. But they will try again, this time WE THE PEOPLE will be ready for them.
            We will NOT TOLERATE their bullying nor their SHERIA LAW.

          • JeffH

            sc, well said my man…par excellant and spot on.

          • JeffH

            sylviam…”But 9/11 did not do the damage they wanted it to do, so I guess they failed, and NO MARTARDOM there.”

            I disagree and think the 9/11 damage was extensive beyond the 3000+ dead and the toppling of the twin towers…PATRIOT ACT, TSA, un-constitutional government intrusion into potentially every facet of every American’s life, ability to travel around the world in peace and the division of the American people over good Muslim/bad Muslim.

            Yeah, I’d say they did tremendous damage and the question of an inside job still remains unanswered.

          • Kate8

            sc – I was thinking much the same thing. Glad you posted it.

            While Ben’s article has a nice sentiment, we’ve gone far beyond that now. It’s just not that simple anymore. There were much bigger forces behind this dastardly false-flag event than a few homespun terrorists.

          • Kate8

            Should have been “cavespun” terrorists.

          • Karolyn

            professor – The problem with the “right thing” is that it is a different thing for different people.

          • Karolyn

            Sylviam – Allah was not a man but is God.

          • Kate8

            karolyn – Yes, in your progressive world of moral equivalence, I guess the right thing would be relative.

            The only thing is, how do you have a cohesive society when everyone is playing by different rules?

            That, my dear, is called “chaos”. And that is the whole point.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Allah was a murdering pig who begat like minded piglets. that’s why they have such an adversion to pork; they might be eating their brother.

          • Karolyn

            gunner – You’re confusing Allah with Mohammed.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – I guess that’s where compromise comes in. Depending on their point of view and perspective, as well as where they live in the world, eveybody’s right. It really is all relative. Here’s a quote from someone I admire deeply:

            “…that you cannot hope to solve any problem using the same energy that created the problem. Whether it’s the endless wars in the world or the unending quarrels and fighting in your own home, the
            problem is the same: conflicting energy. If you want to change the outcome, change the energy. The extraordinary aspect of this solution is that you do not have to wait for the other party in order to do it.”

          • Kate8

            karolyn – The Left’s idea of compromise is that the Right caves in to their programs. Leftists do not compromise on what they are after. They just wear the other side down, coming back time after time, until they get it.

            Also, compromise is what you do when you soften on your convictions for the sake of getting along. The Right has done that all along, so much that the two factions are indistinguishable.

            There are some things that just cannot be compromised without losing integrity. Freedom is one. God’s Laws are another.

            Compromise works fine in the world of relativism, where nothing is held to be true or sacred. Where no values are really valued.

            How does society function when some hold to honesty and trust, and others work by deception and lies? No one trusts anyone, and it becomes each man for himself. That is where we are in America.

            BTW, Allah is not God. Allah is a god, the moon god, of the tribe in which Mohammad was born. And he is God’s nemesis.

          • Vicki

            Karolyn says:
            “professor – The problem with the “right thing” is that it is a different thing for different people.”

            The problem is that people thinking they are god attempt to convince their followers what the “right thing” is. Allah’s followers kill non-believers.

            That should be enough of a warning about weather Allah ~= the God of the Christian. Evil people did for a time kill non-believers in the name of Christ. Look around the USA. You will see that Christians overcame the fools teachings of those evil people.

            Allah’s followers do not appear to have grown up yet.

            Now about the “right thing” I will give you again a method of resetting your moral compass so YOU can understand what is “the right thing” without depending on any man.

            “First Principle. Your Creator gifted you with life and free will.
            How you use those 2 gifts and how you honor these gifts in others,
            defines your moral character.”

            When wondering about “the right thing” ask yourself if it supports First Principle or goes against First Principle.

            Consider other religious teachings such as “do unto others AS you would have them do unto you for guidance in applying First Principle.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Compromise into what. Be specific.
          When someone tells you or asks you to compromise they usually mean for “you” specifically to give up what you believe is right or wrong and follow their beliefs. No Individual is value neutral so compromising is giving up your values. Once you compromise you can never regain those values.

          • CJM

            Nadzieja: Yes you can recover the values you compromised–it’s done everyday and Americans are revisiting those compromises of the past few years. Compromise, like anything else, can be undone or revised–depending on what the desired outcome is purported to be. Americans have seen what the compromises have dealt us and we are in the process of UNDOING them. Don’t sell the Americans short–we are a very innovative people and yes we will reclaim our standing as the greatest Nation on earth. Don’t believe it? Watch what we can and will do to our enenmies in the not to distant future.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            This reply is to CJM.
            Once you set yourself on the path of compromise you can never reclaim the values you set aside to compromise with someone else’s values. Simply it means if you follow a path mapped out by someone else, you are not following your own path. If as you say that in spite of compromise you can reclaim the values, how will you recognize them?

          • Libertarian

            Good questions, Nadzieja!

            I’m a bit confused here… 9/11 was an IN-side Job, ALL the evidence LEFT behind indicates that, EVERY perp still walks among us, even publishing books nowadays, and unlike in Germany where reading “Mein Kampf” is NOT promoted, encouraged or allowed to be promoted, that is NOT the case in the Land of the Free…

            Enough said,

            have a great day!

            PS. Please watcH:

   – 9/11 Fake The Incredible Moving Verrazzano Bridge
   – 911 Octopus – New World Order

          • maggie

            Libertarian you are so right. You’re the only sensible one I’ve seen on this page so far.

          • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

            You need a dictionary darlin and look up compromise! It does NOT mean giving up what you think and taking on the thoughts of another. It is about working for the commen good together, using the free will and life god gave you to make things better!

        • kentucky colonel

          The US will never return to its status as the greatest country on earth as long as the triple L’s exist. (Liberal, left-wing, loons)

          • CJM

            Unfortunately, Kentucky C, we can reduce the effects (and even eliminate some of those effects) of the liberals and left-wingers, but will be stuck with the loons—they exist in everyone’s country, not just in the US. However, we can keep them out of politics by examining our reason for voting for these candidates. People need to stop being enamoured with the rhetoric and treating these blokes as if they were some sort of god (as in odummberbummbers’ case) and take careful scrutiny of what they really stand for. When I followed obama’s campaign, I turned on him when I heard him say he wanted to dismantle the US Constitution and the fact that he admitted to voters that he was NOT born in the US, but was born in Kenya. He then told them where he was born did not matter. In short, study the person who is vying for a high position in government—it really isn’t that hard to do.

          • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

            So then to regain that status everyone has to think as you do ???HMMM that tells me that you do not want anything other then to be the one who is right. And where is it you think that will get you???

        • Lin

          Please, do NOT confuse Republican, Conservative, and religious….they are NOT synonymous ….They may overlap….but are not necessarily the same. Our Forefathers came to this country to live and WORSHIP as they choose..NOT to be TOLD who to worship. They pledged their fortunes, their LIVES…to make people FREE…FREE to chase happiness- NOT Guarantee happiness, and more. SO, as far as can be seen, we are STILL FREE to believe in any religion we CHOOSE. Religion is NOT a dirty word…keep facts straight and ensure FREEDOM- do NOT control, or try to, others FREEDOMS. Check yourself- as a TRUE American!!!!!!

          • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

            It is nice to read a comment from someone who remembers what we are about. Thank you.

        • Capitalist at Birth

          I will never compromise my values and principles. Do you? Then what do you actually believe in? You would probably consider me to be right wing whacko. If you choose to apply that label, I will wear it proudly.

          • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

            Good for you, even if I do not agree I believe that the right to chose is yours. Why, because you live in a country where we all get to make those choices.

        • Jyrine

          Think about what YOU said Vulpine. Slayerwulf said absolutely nothing about promoting far right extreemists or the Republican Party. Shoot straight or get off the range.

          Semper Fi

          • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

            If you really are a jyrine then you support everyone’s right to freedom and to choose. You can not have it both ways, what you think you should have then, you must beleve we all have a right to or you are just asd bad as those who do not embrace your way!

        • Forrest Gump

          Young Forrest Gump: Mama. What’s vacation?
          Mrs. Gump: Vacation’s when you go somewhere… and you never come back.

          If only that axiom were applicable in Martha’s Vineyard…

          Anyway, Vulpine, you are a waste of oxygen and an absolute idiot. I agree with what S C and Jim Benat said. I think Ben did a good job writing this and I couldn’t have said it myself. What we need is an American president that thinks like this.

          You liberals need to realize that no matter how much money the government gets, they will never be able to solve all of humanity’s problems. Once that is thoroughly realized, we can get backk to the business of cutting out all the stupid spending our country is doing, removing all the beaurocracies attached to our government, and returning to the principles our country was founded on and prospered under for two centuries. In short, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. (I wish we hadn’t waited till we were broke to fix it, to be honest.)

          • sylviam

            Forrest Gump— Right on the spot–From what I have learned in the passed few months is 70-80 in our CONGRESS AND SENATE, are CARD CARRYING COMMUNIST, What I want to know WHY ARE ALLOWED TO BE IN A PUBLIC OFFICE much less actually BEING A GOV. OFFICIAL MAKING OUR LAWS, thats the Far Left, or as I hear it they kidnapped the DEMOCRATS. The Old School DEMS. were just like us then along came the COMMIES, SOCIALIST, and have held WE THE PEOPLE HOSTAGE with their HATEFUL PROPAGANDA. and lies, The very FIRST name on the LIST is OBAMA.
            Think he is truely looking out for the people or this GREAT COUNTRY. NO WAY. Compramise I don’t think so NOT with them.
            OBAMA told the Nation In his speeches EXACTLY WHAT HE INTENDED TO DO.
            I have HOPE for us tho and always will, confident that WE THE PEOPLE will NOT ALLOW HIM TO DESTROY US.

          • Kate8

            Forrest – Waste of oxygen, indeed.

            Just think…we could solve the world’s (mythical) CO2 problem simply by cleaning out the progressive effluent.

        • Ted

          Vulpine: COMPROMISE with who? The terrorists? They are not seeking compromise, they are seeking an islamic state in the US (The 57th islamic state). There’s a wild tiger charging at you – quick – try compromising with her! I doubt you survive. As for me, give me liberty or give me death.

          • maggie

            Ted, hate to say it, but I think you’e mixing up the Islamists with the jews

          • Jana

            Explain what you mean.

          • Derek Neuhauser

            All this talk about whether 9/11 was a success is pure bull crapology.
            It was a step towards the overthrow of our country as we know it, whether it was as we were told, or an inside job – doesn’t matter. What matters is we now have a Kenyan born Negro in the white house who was raised as a Muslim, plainly SAYS he will stand with the Muslims, has put Muslims into our Government at all levels. And his minions (such as Negro Eric Holder) have thrown wrenches into our Justice System when it comes to handling Muslim issues (Philadelphia, New Black Panther Party on election day is just one example). In every case where there have been Muslims involved in terrorist activities, investigators have been told to “Back Off” … like the Muslim Doctor who killed 13 people in Texas.

            Those of you who voted for Barry (aka Barack Hussein Obama) … you voted for the overthrow of America … realize it or not. Your stupidity is not an excuse. Obama’s private militia is training. Are you? Have you not seen the recent videos showing the Black Panthers training to “Kill Whitey”? Have you not heard speeches by Louis Farrakhan telling his “Private Force” to prepare for taking over America!? You can keep your head in the sand … but that won’t stop it frome being chopped off with a dull blade … the Muslims favorite method of entertainment.

        • Timothy May

          Lock, stock, and barrel, you have bought into the nonsense peddled by the communists who control our education system, our media, and our government. I can tell this by the words you use.
          Personal recovery plan for you:
          1. Choose to stop accepting without question everything our domestic enemies want you to hear and believe.
          2. Educate yourself as to who these domestic enemies are: anyone who breaks constitutional law or advocates breaking constitutional law, has broken constitutional law, and/or who refuses to demand an accounting of those who have done so.
          3. Educate yourself about the constitution, that is, what it demands our leaders to accomplish as a matter of law and sworn oath.
          4. Launch ceaseless broadsides against our domestic enemies with phone calls, petitions, emails, letters, letters to the editor of your local left-wing fishwrap.
          5. Our system is designed to operate properly when the people not only learn what their personal responsibilities are as a matter of duty and law, but they act to demand what the law requires. GET INVOLVED and stay informed.

        • alex

          the only way you can do that is to take the god you criticise with you

        • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

          It does not happen on it’s own. It takes those who think to work for sulotions. Those that can not just whine and put down. As for me I hope to be someone who never puts down what it is that gives me the right to voice my opinion and exercise my free will.

      • lfod

        I hate organized religion as well BUT…only an idiot would deny the existence of a higher intelligent being. Evolution has been debunked. So we look at the options and only Jesus offers what we all need and feel in our hearts is normal and natural. Unalienable rights given by God to life, liberty, and property grounded in the rule of law NOT man. Those laws have been writen for us by that God in the 10 commandments. The legislature is merely moving our laws around within the confines of the original 10 as the world circumstances change. At least that is how it should be working. Our current IDIOTS in washington have perverted the law and that is the mess we are in. Living in submission to a loving, just, true, omnicient, omnipresent, God is perfect in my book. We just need to send the current crop of evil, arrogant, unjust, socialist, bastards packing and demand leaders that submit to the constitution and the original laws that underpin those ideals.

        • Arecee

          Thank you Ifod, thank you. The major problem with this country and the reason it is on it’s way to hell is because we’ve turned our backs on WHY this was such a great country to begin with. EVERYTHING and I don’t care who you are and what you believe, Everything was based on belief in the teachings of the bible. Our fore fathers lived their lives in a biblical manner. This country has turned their heads away from God, basically killing him and now it’s all about Me, what I can gain, greed, hate, perversion and we accept all this as normal now. Religion..that isn’t what I’m talking about either, it’s faith in Jesus Christ and trusting in the creator of this earth not the created ‘thing’ or even man. Remember when Mr. B.O. was elected? Those people worshiped him and look what they got! Why are our leaders allowing Islam to even be here? Iraq is burning all the bibles and killing the Christians, why do we tolerate that, instead, we open doors for these people and allow them to take over with their Shiriah law. Even Christians here are being persecuted now for their faith, here in the U.S.A. What the heck!!! You wonder why? This is why. God help us all!

        • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

          Let he among us who is without sin cast the first stone! Remember that. I would say only when it suits your purpose!

      • professor

        Quote: “I have no problem being ruled by government….”


        • Kate8

          professor – Unfortunately (for the rest of us), liberals are wired for submission to and worship of their leaders.

          The never think beyond their mantras, they accept the words of their leaders without question, and they don’t have any original thoughts.

          Welcome to the world of the borg. Assimilate or eliminate.

          • Cawmun Cents

            “Resistence is futile.”-CC.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          It seems to work well for the dependency class.

          • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

            And who in your opinion is that. The vetrans, the seniors, those that have spent thier lives in sevice to people like you. Or do you have a seperate agenda in which you have decided who “They may be”??????????

      • CJM

        slayerwulfe: If the muslim/islamic factions have THEIR way either you will submit to THEIR relligion or you will be stoned to death or beheaded–neither is a choice of death for most of us. They will take your family, torture them, disfigure your women, and force them to abide by the hated shar’ia. The point is: either fight these INFIDELS or you will pay a very heavy price.

        • maggie

          Oh gee, and there was I thinking that that the Bush administration said that torture was ok, especially water boarding. Guess I was wrong there. Guantanamo Bay is probably a figment of my imagination. And those rendition flights? Probably taking people away on vacation.

          • KKuurus

            Maggie a quick word of warning, Islam will not forgive you for being non-believer. Christians for all the faults they have no longer torture and kill those that don’t follow Yesu. Mohammad and his followers have been getting worse since the middle ages. As for your belief that Bush and the Jews brought about the attacks on 9/11/2001 I’d suggest a quick review of just what was damaged.

          • Vicki

            KKuurus says:
            “Christians for all the faults they have no longer torture and kill those that don’t follow Yesu.”

            Ummm… Christians NEVER tortured and killed people. Evil men tortured and killed in the name of Christ.

          • Derek Neuhauser

            @Maggie – You are an idiot!! Compared to the millions of Christians that have been killed …. heads cut off … stoned. You have a problem with us dripping water on the heads of a few murdering Muslims!? O M G!! YOu are a Democrat … for sure. YOu worry about us dripping water, while there are literally THOUSANDS of videos (ex: “BeheadingsRus”, search for it!) of men being beheaded by these God-less Moral-less creatures!!

            Have you by chance noticed all the new “Islamic Centers of Excellence” that are popping up in every major city in this country? (There’s even one in Hunstville, Al). The one in Indiannapolis covers an entire city block! Do you think they are REALLY educational centers? Or perhaps they are teaching slicing techniques and where to place the head once it comes off!!

            If you on the other hand think dripping water on one of these bastards, to help STOP this from happening in OUR COUNTRY … is bad?
            I have no words to describe how STUPID you really are!! Please offer yourself up to these centers … I hear they are looking for “Models”.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        your wish may just come true.

      • Eve


        Perhaps you should change your name to Slaversheepe?

        You have no problem being ruled by government? Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa!

        Actually, I disagree with this article. We, as a country, have lost more liberty and are much less-free because of 9-11. That’s not to say the terrorists caused it, but our government in their “need to protect us”. Also, as long as we are spending billions and losing our young men and women in these multiple mid eastern boondoggles, yes, they are still winning.

        • alex

          it wasnt a need to protect us it was an opertunity to try to control us

        • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

          You people should think about this, ass,u,me! That is what assumption gets you and by the way I am a Democrat and apparently you “Sheep” don’t really know any as I totaly agree with GW in reguard to “water dripping and all the rest of it. You make yourselves look oh so foolis!

      • Gloria Jimenez Ross

        You have no problem being RULED by the Government? what on earth are you doing in the USA??

        • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

          Has anyone ever done Politacal Science in colledge??? It is our job to question , it is our job to work to better, it is not our job to be ruled. Do you not understand the difference???

      • traderphil

        You have NO PROBLEM being RULED by your Gov’t??? Did you actually say that??? IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, It is folks like you who bow down and expect the same folks who have you in 5 wars at the present time , for just one example, to RULE YOUR LIFE!!! the same folks who allowed the Banking Cabal to destroy the US and Global economies and NO-ONE has been held accountable to date! WHY??? because the Banks run your Gov’t!! GoldmanSachs was one of Obama’s BIGGEST campaign contributors, for example!!!! The FED is a PRIVATE BANK with shareholders and NOT part of the Gov’t( at least they aren’t supposed to be except for the fact that they hold the “purse strings” !) You need to do some serious research because you seem to be void of common sense and lacking in ability to stand on your own feet. You want to be RULED BY YOUR GOV’T????? HELLO!!???? ANYONE HOME?????? Are you a SERF or a citizen???? I can not understand what you are thinking? It is no wonder the USA is in such bad shape and about to lose it’s place as world leader as a DIRECT RESULT of runaway GOV’T SPENDING!!! Their solution to being dangerously deep in debt is, MORE SPENDING!!!!! Try running that concept by anyone with a brain! It is an impossibility, period!!!! Oh yes!! Your Gov’t is telling you there is NO INFLATION in the USA either!!! We all know that is a bald faced lie!!! My food bill alone is almost half again what it cost me last year.

      • http://charter howe

        It’s hard to discuss issues that deal with different cultures and although Ben Crystal wrote an interesting perspective on radical Islam, I found that many people do not understand the elements of ISLAM because it is not just a religion, its social and political and cultural issues. For example SHARIA law is part of ISLAM, politics is part of ISLAM, cultural issues like dress codes for women is part of ISLAM. Bottom line is ISLAM is not just a religion and thats where the confusion comes in because there are those who radicalize the religion to mean what they want it to mean. For example some of these Jihadist believe that they are warriors of ALLAH that must destroy the infidel to protect the religion. It kind of mirrors St. Michael the Arch Angel who is the protector of the christians but St Michael destroys the forces of Satan and his cohorts, not innocent civilians. The Jihadists take a different route, they destroy innocent men, women and children any way they can with any means at their disposal including any type weapons and dynamite belts. The difference in ideology is mind numbing and because it is part of this tribal mindset of the Muslims radicals and because the women are very much subjugated and the indoctrination in madrassa schools is so ideology intensive, it will be a long time before this murderous ideology is abandoned as a weapon to protect the clan. If there were some way we could convince them that there are no 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven or Nancy Pelosi and Rosie O’donnell were two of the ladies in waiting we could get some rapid movement on at least the latter. I spent 29 years in the military trying to support the Constitution and the laws of the land and it has always been my hope and prayer that I and my countrymen always remained safe and comitted to God, country and family. Everyone has to do their share to keep our country great and Crystal is contributing, but I do not believe the socialist democrats are our friends and will keep us free and safe, but my senses tell me you’ll will fix that problem on 2 Nov 2012.

        • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

          Bless you sir, a man who thinks and then speaks, and also does his homework on what he wishes to speak about. That is the true meaning of America, that is the metality that works to make things better. Wish you had written tyhe article this idiot wrote! Thank you

    • Jack

      DaveH your right.

      • Old Henry


        It would be: DaveH you’re right, or DaveH you are right.

        Your right would refer to his right side such as look to your right.

    • Tom

      DaveH’s single paragraph is far more on target than Ben Crystal’s verbose, self-congratulatory blather.

    • Rusticus

      Well put, Dave

    • Motley59

      Mr. Crystal, I enjoyed your article very much. As a firm believer in Spirituality and karma, Good will trounce Evil because the Laws of the universe are made to which that is so (my belief). As a traveller to Indonesia, the most populous muslim country in the world, I can attest the common muslim practioner detests these fanatical coo-coos as any patriotic American. God bless America, God bless us all. Peace.

    • professor

      I like the article! I like the way Ben, pokes a stick-in-the-eye, of the muslims. They have been “beating their chests” far too long about the success of 911! There is no honor in the killing of civilians, but neither is there honor in hiding behind women and school children, when these cowards get caught in a fight with our military! What they did accomplish was to unleash the American military upon their part of the world. They should be glad that we are not seriously angry (as it seems.) America, with all her might, could level any city in the Middle East..not just a couple of buildings!

      What we did get out of 911 is that America finally awakened to the fact that we have a real enemy in the religion (cult) of islam. Yet, we let them live among us and even consider letting them build a mosque at ground zero! Some that call themselves, Americans, are worse enemies than these barbarians!

      • Kate8

        professor – Islam is dangerous, to be sure. But not nearly as dangerous as those pulling the strings and manipulating the world’s power structure.

        Islam is a tool. The power structure funds ALL OF THE ARMIES ON ALL SIDES, with a definite goal in mind, and they, the NWO PTB, are the only winners.

        • maggie

          Well said Kate8

        • Jay

          Right on the bloody mark, Kate!!!

      • Lady Kroft

        What befuddles me is that in contrast to Pearl Harbor, America did absolutely nothing in the way of retalliation in the aftermath of 9/11. We showed weakness in that situation as we do whenever we fund the UN despite their voting against us at every turn. Muslims are our self-declared enemies, yet we consistently send money to the Middle East to fund their mosques and militias. I could compile a list of weaknesses we show to the rest of the world that would be exponentially long. And the muslims are capitalizing on it every inch of the way, invading our country like a cancer and it seems that nobody is any the wiser.

      • Janice M Cullen RE Broker

        So you believe that if you are born into a certin ethnic group you can never be a free thinker. Maybe you should rethink that as we all have the power of free will and choice, as given by God in the bible when he created man! Are you sure he did not know what he was doing, or maybe you think you are a higher authority?????????????

      • Lawrence Ekdahl

        The enemy is ISLAM, not radical Islam, ISLAM itself. This religion actively promotes violence and murder of anyone who does not conform to their religion.

      • Chaplain M Blodgett

        A combat veterans response to the ban on prayer at 9/11 event

        The liberty of Prayer

        Have you ever smelled the cordite
        Hanging thick in the air,
        Or seen a rockets fiery light
        Streaking through the air
        Have you ever felt the trembling ground
        From bombs falling in the night,
        Or felt the fear that grips you
        You when think you are about to die,
        Have you ever wiped a friend’s blood
        From your sweating brow,
        Have you ever seen tracers streaking through the night?
        Seeking living flesh to deprive it of life,
        Have you ever heard a dying man
        Crying for his mother or wife,
        Have you ever lived the nightmare of taking another’s life?
        And knowing that if possible they would not hesitate to strike,
        Have you even ever stood on freedoms wall to guard,
        On dark and dreary night,
        Have you ever seen an empty chair and know that person
        Now Occupies a casket in them there is no life,

        Or had child arms wrapped tight around your leg
        Say “please daddy don’t go, stay home tonight instead,”
        Have you ever looked into to the eye of your spouse prematurely old from worry late at night?
        Their once golden hair now white,
        Have you ever felt their trembling hand Fearful as they comfort you at night,
        Because their rest was disturbed because you in your dreams were in a fire fight,

        For generation now men have fought and died to have the right given to them by God
        To pray when they desired and to thank there God
        For each and every day he gives of liberty and life
        Only it seems to be taken by government regulation
        On a fateful day when three thousand died living liberty

        To Those solders that died they spit upon those graves
        They tell them they died in vain for those liberties,
        You cannot pray at ground zero for some we may offend
        Your sacrifice does not matter, we do not care in the end,
        They did not smell the cordite, or hear the wounded scream,
        Liberty of prayer sacrifice, for our socialistic end

        By Chaplain M Blodgett

      • leon carpenter

        God has given us the Republic. God has saved us from harm so many times. Do we deserve it ? No way.But He is true to His word. The people (us) WILL AGAIN turn from our wicked ways and do His will. Not our own.

      • BradyK

        It is very sad that Americans believe this 9/11 was done by the Muslims.When it all seems to be the Mossad working with our own CIA that pulled this off.With the CIA doing their dirty work by using mind control,they certainly succeeded.

        The Zionist country of Israel always starts dirty deeds and puts the blame on someone else.Then when the war starts they lay low and act like little angels.The Americans are blaming the wrong people.

        Of course when you have deceivers like Hagee,who believes we haven’t done enough for “poor” Israel and that is why the world is having these problems.Hagee is a true Zionist.

        Reading all these comments of the Dems blaming the Repubs and Left-wingers slamming the right_wingers,when in fact we should be blaming the Zionists.They control the banks,congress,run all the Gov’t depts.,own or control the manipulated news media,control the UN and if you say anything about the Zionists,you’re called anti-semantic.

        Further,when I see people blaming the foreign born Pres.that is currently residing in office for our economic woes,I agree he hasn’t done much,if anything,however,the blame should go to Bush and Clinton and beyond that.One Pres.cannot turn this mess around in one term anyway.

        Its easy to point fingers,but one should investigate before writing silly things.If the American people would only vote for candidates that follow the Constitution,we would be so much better off.If they get elected and do not follow it,then they should be ousted and suffer severe consequences.Our Congress,probably 95% should be ousted.
        I do not see a true patriot except a handful.Spending taxpayers money over their budget is an example of their violations.

        ’nuff said

      • mimi

        The comments of the professor are bold and courageous. As a society we are in bondage evidenced by the average person being afraid to say it like it is, hiding behind political correctness and cultural relativity. They accept what they read and hear as truth and do not test it against a sound moral judgement. Over two thousand people were MURDERED on 911 by men who professed hatred against another people. These murderers where muslim extremest who are protected by muslim who keep silent about this massacre. This silence is telling! In this 911 memorial programing no one is mentioning the murdering of over 2000 people. Everyone is skirting the issue.

        Men and women who live in America, who call themselves Americans should transform their timidity and act responsibly by making sure that their vote is to save America by supporting only those who love being an American, are proud of being an American and support what our fore founders professed in preserving our principles. We have men and women in office who what to change who and what Americans are about. People came to American from other countries because of American freedoms, those who feel what they left is better and want to recreate American to be clones of other countries should return to those countries they feel is superior to what American was formed to be and evidenced in our Constitution. I am ashamed that our children are being formed today in an educational process that is void of pride and blind to our heritage. True Americans should commit themselves today to support only candidates that love American and want to preserve freedom at every level.

      • derrick long


    • Dale Hogue

      The first written comment on this page was depressing. Instead of taking to task the ugly terrorists from Islam, the writer decided to use his little bit of posting space to damn the American government. I don’t need to point out to you that this is illogical, but, unfortunately, it is par for the course. During World War II, the American people appeared to function as one, I do not recall any smattering of American haters using the war as a platform for their domestic hate messages. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, I’m only saying that I don’t remember it happening. During this last ten year period, the terrorists from Islam have picked at us, but they have not been successful in determining our fate. We Americans are tough as nails and we can take a beating from time to time without feeling that some enemy force is destroying our civilization. We will never give up. We will never give in. We’ve cleared our minds of pity and prepared to meet our for, the next blow is the only one that we will need to know. We’ve put toether some gumption, audacity, backbone and pluck, we’ve gathered up spunk and courage for the task we have to buck. We’ve showed them what we’re made of and gave them all we’ve got. There was no reason to be timid, we took pleasure in what we sought. We’ve dug down deep within our souls and kindled the flame that glows, we’ve burnt out all the doubts therein and chased away our woes. it’s only a war they say, but to us it’s more than that. We’ve prepared ourselves for battle and we’ll take them to the mat. We’ve built anew our self-esteem and wiped away the fears, we know that we are more than skills we’ve mastered through the years. It’s only a war they say, but we know it’s more than that. We’re giving it everthing we’ve got, we’re not choosing to stand pat. (Written by Dale Hogue author of the book “Email Connectors and Mr. Hogue’s Wisdom”)

    • heroay

      What kind of nonsense is THAT? After 10 years of 911 discoveries, although it took me ONLY one week to know it was an ‘inside’ job carried by Mossad and local traitors, the author still hangs to ‘Muslims did it’ cloud 9? 911 Mysteries, 911 Missing Links, and 911 Zero, is all we need to know Mossad rigged while the Bushes looked the other way. Sick.

    • Ralph R.

      We have the muslim brotherhood in the obummers administration helping him to destroy our freedom,of course they have help from “Haarp,”in
      our military committing suicide,this is sad for all “Americans”.
      Vote American this time around,either Ron Paul or Bachmann,I saw hints of some Americans wanting Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura to run tog-
      -ether,they would be a dynamic duo for Americans,no question where
      their hearts are and ligit social security cards and not ashamed to
      show their “Birthcertificates.” “Americans for America.”

  • Moose

    Bravo Ben. You have captured the spirit of patriots across the country. Don’t tread on me!

  • Jemave

    I think that the anger and resentment of the 9/11 should be turned to the people in office on that day. Anyone who has done some diligence on the analysis of what really happened on that day looking carefully at the facts and the physical evidences during and left after the horrific event should conclude that it was not the work of a bunch of Arabic terrorist.
    When are we going to get after the real culprit? It is time to wipe out the cabal that rules over Washington and other countries at the expense of humanity.
    If we finally have the courage to do this, all 9/11 victims as well as the Iraquis and Afganistan war victims will be vindicated.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Kindly get over being stupid.

      • Tom

        Kindly get over believing everything the government and main-stream media spoon-feed you.

        • NamNavyVet

          I gave up on MSM about 3 years ago. I later gave up on Fox cable news seeing they had an agenda as well. Now after 3 years of 9/11 factual study, I’m very informed on why 9/11 was done and by whom and why MSM ignored and or modified these facts. The wars were required to feed the defense industry and the Pentagon which are working together to destroy our economy and great nation that it once was. It was hate the Nazis, followed by the communists followed by Muslim extreemists and “terrorism”. What will be our next enemy we have to hate and attack and spend all our tax dollars on? China? UFO’s? It’s anybody’s guess. Peace

          • Forrest Gump

            Mama always had a way of explaining things so I could understand them.

            I for one would like to read your research. If things are truly as you say, everyone needs to know about them, but how to go about reading that research of yours is anyone’s guess. Do you have it all posted in a blog somewhere that I could read it? Please let me know some way to look into what you have.


          • Kate8

            Forrest Gump – There is so much information available on 9/ll it can make your head spin. And from every possible scenario.

            I don’t know about anyone else, but putting the pieces together of the entirety of the crisis we find ourselves in requires years of diligent research into numerous sources. No one could begin to lay it out for you in one swath, because you wouldn’t appreciate the extent of the research. And, for those like me, much info has gone into the heap of long-lost sources which have built on one another over time, never to be retrieved without a great deal of effort.

            So, I suggest that if you want to learn, get busy. Buy a book if you don’t want to do the work. Buy several books. Go on YouTube and sort through the evidence from all possible angles. And there are many, many articles on the internet.

            Then, after seeing what’s out there, you decide.

            That’s what the rest of us do.

          • BravoBilly

            Hey NamNavyVet, Being an Old Navy Vet myself, I, too, am very cynical about who is behind everything. I have been spending my time learning what both Liberals and Consevatives believe and have become even more cynical. I run into more and more Veterans riding the bus as we no longer can afford to drive or have medical reasons not to drive. What we all have in common, no matter what conflict we have served or fought in, is that we took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and Our Country. Now I am starting read that.

            I am even reading what Al Quaeda is about. Before long, I will some sort of guru full of all kinds knowlege. I hope that the government will have a better communication than it did prior to 9/11 since it seems that the FBI and CIA knew about the terrorists but did not communicate anything since it was not within jurisdition. I suspect, nothing much will have changed, as the bigger a government gets the more bureaucratic it becomes. Hang in there, Brother.

      • CJM

        To whom are you referring as being stupid? It appears to me that you are supportive of the terrorists’ attempts to destroy the United States. Get over it lady, it ain’t gonna happen—and I am far from being stupid.

    • Jim


    • Jacques Cuse

      Hear, hear! It’s good to see that there are Americans who didn’t stick their heads in the sand and who have realized that 9/11 was indeed an inside job. The thousands of architects and structural engineers, the chemists, doctors of physics and demolition specialists from all over the world can’t be all wrong.

      It’s no longer the so-called “conspiracy theorists” who should have to prove their points and answer questions, it’s the deniers of the obvious to explain to us why and which rock-hard proof is not valid.

      Just explain the “pulling” of WTC building 7, without having the weeks or even months of time for the necessary preparation for such a HUGE demolition job. Just like the towers this building was bullet proof and 7 even had reinforced security bunkers for several government services.

      Start informing yourselves here:

      The USA has sported a government of puppets since at least 1913 and quite possibly since 1871. These governments have been helping to take the wealth of all Americans and their US treasury as well as those of other countries.

      Please wake up, your government is NOT THERE TO HELP YOU!


      • Capitalist at Birth

        It is a very small minority who believe that nonsense. There are people who will buy into any conspiracy theory around without investigating all of the evidence and facts. Evidently you are one of those people.

        • Mark Are

          Oh, yes, the people running “your” government are all saints. They would NEVER do the kind of things other people in other countries would do. They all go to church on Sunday and love GEEZUS and would never hurt you or your family. YOU are a pathetic excuse for humanity if you believe that crap. The fact is Mr/Mrs/Ms “Capitalist at Birth” you have been lied to, screwed, stolen from, and it was by the people RUNNING “YOUR” Government. How can you possibly be that damn dumb?
          OH yes, I remember, there is a couple of words that describe your mental condition…cognitive dissonance. That’s it. For you and your ilk:

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear Capitalist at Birth,

          There are many more questions than answers about what happened on 9/11 and the months preceding. Not even the members of the 9/11 Commission believe they got anywhere close to the truth. Unfortunately, most people are no longer asking any question. They have taken the story that was spoon-fed them and accepted it as fact. I discussed people, like you, who lack the inquisitive nature to peel back the layers of propaganda and search for the truth in my Monday column Governments since the beginning of time have counted on the lack of inquisitiveness of its subjects and, for the most part, have been rewarded. In my column next Monday I will ask some of the questions surrounding 9/11 that have not been answered. I urge you to read it. Most importantly, I urge you look beyond conventional wisdom and search the truth.

          Best wishes,

          • Kate8

            Capitalist – All I can say is, thank God for conspiracy theorists.

            Without them, we’d never learn the truth about anything.

            I guess you still haven’t figured out that we live in a world of illusion and deception. It’s not about how things are. It’s how they look.

          • Cawmun Cents

            And so,we all fall victim to Black Science chicanery.
            The confusion is,therefore it must be.
            Take a bite of the fecal sandwich.Enjoy the taste…..please.

            Oh,did you finish off that last bite of lunch I suggested?
            Since you are used to being fed candy-coated crap,it isnt as easy to swallow if it doesnt taste sweet first.
            That is why you came here.To get your crap handed to you straight up, no mixer,no ice,no chaser.BANZAI!BOTTOMS UP!
            Why the refusal to take things as is?
            Because unless there is more to it than the eye can envision,it isnt dramatic enough to swallow.
            Why the need for Hollywood pyrotechnics in everything we see?
            Slight of hand,twist of fate…..its all in the entertainment value.
            Are you bored?
            Has your need for dramatic prose been satiated lately?
            Begging the question… who?
            It may be that the owl in the old tootsie pop commercials was right. The world may never know.
            As such it would seem to be what it isnt,yet it cannot be what it is.

            Meanwhile the architects of confusion drink toasts to your alacrity in reacting to their sideshow.Bravo!Well played Blefescu.
            The backdoor to truth is definitely the way to get in.
            Validate your parking before you leave.
            By the way….since you enjoyed the taste of the crap sandwich even when the crap wasnt candy-coted,you may have another.

            You’re welcome.

          • Jana

            And, when people call it an inside job, they don’t always mean Bush did it. Things go on in this government right now that even Obama doesn’t know about.

            Sometimes our leaders are led around without even knowing who is doing the leading or that they are even being led. People have been infiltrated into just the right places.

          • Kate8

            Very good point, Jana.

            And, as humans tend to do, when they get inside the beltway there is a need to be one of the club. You don’t get far in your career if you aren’t.

            There’s always “everyone is doing it”, “you have to go along to get along”…that sort of mentality. Standing up and telling the truth, even as one sees it, can be political suicide, if not the real thing.

            Heck, after a while they may actually come to believe that what they are doing is the right thing to do…relatively speaking, of course.

          • Christin

            Thanks Bob… looking forward to it.


            Don’t you think it odd that the Capital, housing our White House and the president and the Congress of the United States is not in one of the 50 states… that it is a District… and why ‘District of Columbia’… how does that represent America???

            I can’t figure out why they AREN’T in an American state under those same state laws… supporting the nation.

          • Kate8

            Christin – Well, I suppose the obvious answer would be that the states were set up to be sovereign, separate and distinct from the federal government.

            Now, that is just of the top of my head. A bit of research might turn up something.

          • Jay

            I think to understand what truly happened is to observe where we STILL find ourselves today, Afghanistan! If the original purpose of our invasion was retaliation to 911, why are we still there? Have we not exacted sufficient revenge? If the original reason for our invasion was to exact the pound of flesh, that would satisfy our sense of justice in proportion to the crime committed, why we are still there? Surely after 10 years of devastating their country, killing untold numbers of their people, should be sufficient by now to satisfy our sense of justice, and revenge! It seems to me, the answers we seek concerning that faithful day, are in plain view!

        • maggie

          Evidently you are one of those people who hasn’t even looked at the evidence. Wake up for goodness sake.

        • maggie

          You should maybe google Northwoods documents. That will give you an idea of what the government is capable of.

      • DaveH

        Even if the events were factual and not a false-flag attack, the Government enabled that day by making airline passengers into helpless sheep rendered weaponless by a Government that promises us safety. They (with the exception of one rule-flaunting passenger) couldn’t even use their cell phones to report the events thanks to ridiculous Government rules.
        But Government has shown that they can’t be trusted in every military action the United States has been involved in, including the Civil War.

        • DaveH
        • Mark Are

          THAT’S RIGHT!

        • CJM

          Seems to me DaveH, there was more than one ‘rule flaunting’ passenger who used cell phones on those planes—or did you forget that? How convenient of you.

          • DaveH

            And your point is?

          • Jana

            If someone has hijacked your plane and you figure your gonna die, I think its all right to as you say flaunt the rules a little and use your cell phone.

        • DaveH

          Think a little about the timeline. Less than a month after 9/11 (October 7) our military was attacking Afghanistan. The 9/11 bodies weren’t even cold yet, and our Government figures out in 4 weeks who the dastardly culprits were? Less than 2 months after 9/11 the 4th Amendment-trampling Patriot Act was passed with little debate.
          Doesn’t it appear that our Government was prepared to take action awful soon after the attacks? If they could move that fast with their other involvements in our economy, we wouldn’t have anything to worry about, would we?

          • Karolyn

            We were already in Afghanistan, weren’t we, Dave?

          • KKuurus

            Flight time USA to Afghanistan is under 24 hours in a heavy lifter plane. Army response teams are on and have been on standby since before Korea, response time 1 to 24 hours depending on what they take with them. Marine response is similar Navy can be much faster or slower depending on what they do. The towers collapse was not caused by explosive demolition unless some how they were closed without public knowledge for several weeks. Please try to get Engineering facts not conspiracy theory only. Each person sees what they hope to.

      • Ralph

        Absolutely … how can anyone not believe that the destruction of the Bill of Rights was planned with the approval of the Patriot Act in Congress. Just look at our nation today … cameras spying on our own citizens and HSA compiling lists of suspects to be arrested if any domestic insurrection springs up. If anyone thinks the so-called terrorists did this to us they need to turn off the propaganda machine called TV news and learn how to reason and to investigate actual facts.

        • Ralph R.

          Super thermite was used to bring down the twin towers,they would go in
          and paint it on the pillars,the painters didn’t know they were doing it
          they thought they were just painting,layer after layer after layer,they
          even found evidence of it in the debris-(thermite)same stuff used for
          sparklers you use to celebrate the 4th of July…but they used (Super-
          thermite) a bit stronger than the 4th of July material,the firemen and
          the police know it was an inside job they heard the explosions before
          the planes hit the buildings,check out the experiments on (Trutv)
          on the computor go here ( Trutv/Jesse)it will pop up go ahead look at it
          they even hid some of the building parts in a warehouse (hanger).

      • CJM

        jac c: You are the last half of the horses azz…you conspiritors simply do not want to believe that some outside agents had the audacity to attack the United States on their own soil. Get over it moron—this was NOT and “inside” job, unless, of course, you are a jihadist, talibanist, al-quadist, islamicfacist…who lives in the US.

    • Libertarian

      Time will tell! …

    • alex

      and you and your fellow idiots think birthers are dumb

  • Jorge

    Ben, Ben, Ben.
    You STILL believe that someone could hide in a cave and escape the surveillance of the mighty USA spy satellites, and transmit and command from that cave without getting a missile down the microphone inlet!!!!!
    Of course it was just an illusory miniaturised airliner that made a 4m hole in the Pentagon before it collapsed!!
    And the rate of fall of the towers was due to the magnetics in the area suddenly increasing exponentially. And Building 7 collapsed in its own footprint because of fright at the demise of the other two towers!!!!!
    Please!! patriotism is a GREAT virtue, but so is opening your eyes to the TRUTH.
    Only when the people take back their rights and stand proud and resilient instead of opting to suck of the common teat will America take its rightful place in the world.

    • Mark Are

      Jorge, it makes me feel pretty good to see that not all the people here are mindless idiots sucking off the big media tit that tells them what to think and do. I’d feel proud to call you a friend and share my dinner table with you and your family.

  • Moose

    Jemave, you are an idiot

    • Jemave

      Keep your head in the sand and let play the Elite Chorus as you please.

      Obviously your ability to stretch your mind out of being a conditioned mindless sheeple is impossible.

      Please Enjoy the Matrix world in the cocoon created by the powers to suck life out of you.

    • Connie

      Moose, I concur. It’s the likes of Jemave who keep this country in a turmoil. Some are anti-religion when more than 70% of the population of America openly agree they believe in God. Then some of these idiots blame the Jews for everything. America was founded on Judeo-Christian principals by individuals who were more than a little aware that the Pilgrims came here to have freedom of religion – as in the right to worship in the manner of their choice, not to be free from religion. Then there are the conspiracy theorist who blame Bush and swear there were no WMDs when in fact there were. All one needs to verify this is to have a close friend or family member in the right place when they were discovered.

      This country of ours is on the path of destruction, led by Dumbo in OUR White House who is run by his handler George Soros, as a representative of Bilderberg – the small, but elite, group of the most wealthy in the world who want nothing less than New World Order.

      Great article Ben.

      • Jim

        Connie, please review all the facts. Don’t be a gov’t led lemming.
        Do you really think that 19 men with sheets on their head could defeat the WORLDS STRONGEST military, with intelligence gathering that boggles the mind?

        • Daniel

          They DIDN’T defeat us, which was the whole point of the article–which you apparently didn’t read.

          • Nomadr

            Daniel, I really hate to burst your bubble but they are still defeating U.S. you just need to open your eyes to see it! I.E. after 9/11 the U.S. spent millions to “Beef up” security at airports, subways you name it! Do you remember a while back when the news reported “terrorist attack thworted”? They had made explosives that fit into printer cartridges that they were trying to sell to U.S. companies and retail stores at a price that “couldn’t be beat” luckily this terrorist threat was “thworted” really? it cost the terrorist less than $4500 to implement that threat, but it cost U.S. millions to defend against! Are you starting to get the BIG picture? Take a good look at the 10 year war against the U.S.S.R. Who led that war? Osama Binladen! Who trained and armed him and his “army? U.S. How did they win that war? The U.S.S.R. went BANKRUPT and had to back out of that war! See things a little clearer now?

        • CJM

          In the first place, jim, these terrorists didn’t have ‘sheets over their heads’ as you claim. In the second place, they did NOT defeat us–is your wife wearing her burkkah? Are you praying 5 times a day? Are your sons providing sexual pleasures to the INFIDEL pedophiles of the Middle East? Are your daughters mutilated so that she is unable to enjoy the sensual intimacy of a marriage? Are you committing ‘honor killings’ of your female household members because they somehow offended your male ego? Really, jim–is this true in YOUR household? It sure as hxxx isn’t in mine.

      • Jacques Cuse

        Connie, you’re contradicting yourself.

        The problem is definitely not people like Jemave but braindead idiots who still think that all of it is a matter of republicans versus democrats. Never heard of “Divide and Rule”? Left or right, it doesn’t matter, behind the scenes they’re best friends happily discussing over a glass of $150 wine how they again managed to raise taxes as well as their salaries and benefits whilst robbing your country and its citizens of their wealth. In their game anything goes, up to and including blowing up government buildings (Oklahoma) or crashing airplanes into towers and ‘pulling’ other ones.


        • CJM

          jc: Evidently it is the likes of you who are a serious problem and it seems patently clear that you are not a citizen of the United States. As an outsider and terrorist supporter, you would want it to be true that our own government had something to do with the Sept 11 attacks—however, it has been PROVEN that these terrorists from the Middle East are responsible. Take care of the mess in your own country before trying to tell the good citizens of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA how to deal with our situation. We the people are much smarter than you foreigners give us credit for. Your own posting tells us that you are not from here–so unless you have something positive to say, butt out.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            The only complicency the US had in 9/11 was in the ignorance of our own massive internal beuracracies, their inability to share information, and our gvts. incredible stupidity to not recognize that Muslim Fundamentalist were already at war with us.

        • Cawmun Cents

          Apparently your detractors havent noticed the six-of-1-1/2-dozen-of-the-other rule.
          I wonder if they even know what”j,accuse”means.
          The understanding that brand A is brand A,and brand B is brand A,has slipped away from some.
          Spending and circle jerks are evidently commonplace in DC.While reaching across the aisle to do the jerking,the jerkee is reaching over to shake hands with someone important,getting a committment to be jerked continuously in the chain of jerkers.all this while shaking hands wtih the other jerkers,and jerkees.The day someone beaks the daisychain,and suspends their back and forth movement,is the day that a scandal is hatched,which will result in their congressional demise.
          Some bright new faces have entered the daisychain lately,and were remiss about proffering their hand to join in the fun.So since some scapegoats were necessary,some heads had to roll.
          The sides which seem apparent,are certainly skewed from time to time.
          The new blood has to be accepted.
          In the mean time outsiders should take the old addage to heart.
          “Things are not as they seem to be.Nor are they otherwise”.

          • Jana

            Very well said.

  • mallen

    To above comment.
    Compromising is what got this country into the mess its in.

    Not to detract from this article—A big AMEN, to this article.

  • sean murrey ILLInio

    if you tangle with us you will have your ass kicked.

    • Mark Are

      Oh, yes, we are kicking their asses so bad that we have to be in Iraq and Afghanistan for 10 years now. We are SOOOOO BAD! Heck, I’m looking forward to seeing what the US Military does if they declare martial law to those tobacco spittin rednecks here in the Ozarks. I’d say the “MILITARY” will get their asses handed to them on a stick and that the war in Iraq will look like a pick-nick if they come to play with us here in the Ozarks. And all we have is 30/30 rifles…LOL! NOT! Gag me with a place setting.

  • Robert Desmarais Sullivan

    I was shocked at first on September 11, 2001, and remember exactly where I was. Since then, I’ve looked at the films over and over again, and the official story no longer seems logical to me. The claims make no sense when compared with the videos. So I can’t write a letter to any so-called jihadists when I no longer believe jihadists did it. The culprits are more likely to be found in Washington DC or in their own homes elsewhere in the US than in the Moslem world. Do I believe people in my own government would do such a thing, killing US citizens? Now, after living through Katrina’s flood and the Deepwater Horizon disaster, I am more inclined to believe it than I was before.

    • Dagney

      Oh, brother!

    • Al Sieber

      I’m with you on this one, I have a lot of questions. if 15 out of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia what the hell are we doing in Afghanistan, in a war that lasted 10 years and is still going on close to 3 times longer then WW2.

      • DaveH
        • Kate8

          DaveH – Interesting article.

          There is no doubt that the Romans hijacked the Messianic Jewish movement (they weren’t called Christians prior to Constantine) for their own purposes, and made it into something Yeshua wouldn’t recognize. It was either join or be fed to lions. The new church merged with paganism, and is the Harlot spoken of in Revelation, and those offshoots from her, her daughters. It was all for expanding the Roman Empire.

          Why does anyone think that Christians have been admonished from the study of any and all teachings of the ancients that might awaken them to their true spiritual heritage, and the Source of power?

          No, these people had to be subdued. And subdued they were.

          Jewish esotericsm is filled with ancient wisdom. Secrets for achieving mastery over ourselves and our lives (which have been wildly distorted and turned over to Luciferianism). Christians have been robbed of their true heritage and kept from understanding their roots.

          Thanks for that find.

          • Popeye

            Kate8 says: “There is no doubt that the Romans hijacked the Messianic Jewish movement (they weren’t called Christians prior to Constantine) . . . .”

            Kate8, Where do you get the notion that believers weren’t called Christians until the time of Constantine?

            “. . . And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.” (Acts 11:26)

            About a 3-century gap here. Of course, I understand the fact that you clearly have your own “Messianic” agenda here.

          • Kate8

            Popeye – Prior to the Roman church, being called “Christian” was no term of endearment. These people were not separate from the Jews…they WERE Jews who had chosen to follow Christ’s teachings.

            What did Yeshua say when asked how to achieve salvation? “Take up your cross (life) and follow Me”.

            He was a Jew, He kept the Lord’s Feasts, he honored Jewish customs. It was the Pharasees he condemned for their hypocracy and legalism.

            His followers remained practicing Jews, attending synagogue on the Sabbath, observing Feasts and customs. (The Feasts were given as a prophetic timeline for God’s people to follow, so they would know how to watch for signs.)

            The Roman church sought to capture this movement, since they were getting stronger. So Constantine had a “vision”, and because of this he “accepted” Christ (really?) and, together with the Roman leader of the then “Christians” formed an official universal (catholic) “Christian” Church, changing all times, feasts, doctrine and precepts to meld with the pagan gods and festivals. They changed the “sabbath” (which means seventh) to Sunday, the day of Apollo worship. They also put together the scriptures, deciding which of the writings would be included and which would be left out. In other words, THEY decided which ones were “inspired”.

            I don’t know what you think my agenda is here. I’m just speaking historically.

        • Al Sieber

          Thanks Dave, I read this on a another website 8 months ago, your link has more info. I passed it on. I wonder what really happened there.

        • Jay

          Nice find Dave! Very interesting. I will examine it more closely when i have more time. Thanks!

      • Jacques Cuse

        8 or 9 of the presumed hijackers have been tracked down and found by the BBC who interviewed them. They’re alive and kicking and could not have perpetrated 9/11.


        • CJM

          jc: if you believe the BBC, my house sits in the middle of the precious mecca that thousands visit 5 times daily for prayer time. It’s for sale–do you have the right price? It’s worth a million or two!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        If Hitler was Austrian why did we bomb Germany ???

    • Ellen

      Katrina’s flood was the result of failing levies in a grossly mismanaged and corrupt city. Everyone was told to evacuate, but many chose not to. Then, they expected the fed. govt to take care of them and they began looting. The floods in Nashville last year were far worse than the Katrina floods. Did you see looting or people looking for handouts? No. They pulled together to help one another. As far as the Deepwater Horizon spill, Obama is squarely to blame for letting it go on so long. If he had waived the Jones Act, a ship that sucks 750,000 gallons of oil per day could’ve come into the gulf and removed most of the oil as it was gushing. That ship is routinely used in the middle east. There was a spill in the middle east right after DH began that was far worse but was cleaned up immediately and not reported in the US. It wasn’t reported here because then we would’ve questioned why Obama wasn’t using that route. Obama waited until the well had a temporary cap before he waived the Jones Act to let the ship in and at that point it was no longer needed. One of our biggest problems is the news system that distorts or doesn’t report news that doesn’t meet the liberal agenda.

      • libertytrain

        Ellen, I’m not a New Orleans fan but in that city in particular evacuating wasn’t easy for everyone. There’s a whole lot of folks that didn’t have a subway to get on, a car to drive out with, etc… And the lousy mayor sure didn’t help.

        • Angel Wannabe

          LT, I have to go with poorly mis-managed & corrupt city of NO. Thousands of school buses sat in water up to there roofs, when they could’ve been used to bus the folks out of there, who had no transportation. A LOT of Katrina fatalities could’ve been stopped.

          • libertytrain

            Yep, it was that lazy, egotistical mayor. He helped his own people die and all that needless suffering..

        • CJM

          Please don’t blame the mayor–he begged and pleaded with the governor of LA to declare a state of emergency and to use the public school busses to evacuate those who had no transportation. The governor would make no move to assist the beleagured mayor of New Orleans–he did as much as he was able and for this, he gets the shaft. At least the people of LA had the fortitude to change governors in the following election.

          • Vicki

            Really? Why does the Mayor have to wait for the Governer to evacuate? In fact their very own emergency plan allows the Governer and/or local officials to act.
            The authority to order the evacuation of residents threatened by an approaching hurricane is conferred to the Governor by Louisiana Statute. The Governor is granted the power to direct and compel the evacuation of all or part of the population from a stricken or threatened area within the State, if he deems this action necessary for the preservation of life or other disaster mitigation, response or recovery. The same power to order an evacuation conferred upon the Governor is also delegated to each political subdivision of the State by Executive Order. This authority empowers the chief elected official of New Orleans, the Mayor of New Orleans, to order the evacuation of the parish residents threatened by an approaching hurricane.”

            Not only that but many of the busses are owned by the CITY. I.E. in direct and unfettered control of the mayor.

            “The city’s plan also specifically called for the use of city-owned buses and school buses to evacuate the population. These were apparently never deployed, though the Parish of Plaquemines just south of the city evacuated its population using school buses.

            The plan, written well before Katrina was even a teardrop in God’s eye, was obviously never heeded or implemented by local leaders.”
            (See link above)

    • Mark Are

      WOW! SOMEONE else here that has brain. Someone who QUESTIONS the lies and distortions of the media and the voices from the “government”. Someone who actually thinks after reading and seeing the evidence coming to a conclusion based in reality rather than some sort of fairy tale made up world. Thanks ROBERT! Folks like you give me hope that the last 35 years of my life haven’t been in vain trying to tell folks. WE ARE BEING SCREWED BY THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THIS COUNTRY AND EVERY OTHER ONE. BECAUSE THEY ARE PSYCHOPATHS and don’t give a flying FART about you, your family, your friends, your dog, your cat PERIOD.

  • Jack

    Moose you are the fool

  • Bill Bates

    After World War II, America should have become neuteral. The western European nations should have united against the former Soviet Union, and the southeastern Asain nations should have united against China. Most of all, our country should have kept its industrial base and strength, and not eventually and gradually transfer and ship its industrial base south of the border to Latin America, and overseas to Asia. This way, our country would have both a strong industrial and military strength. Also and most of all, the United States should have never allowed the United Nations to be established, which resulted in laxing our immigraton policies, especially torwards and with underdeveloped third world nations. This way foreigners immigrating to our country would not become breeding ground for drug and terror related problems, crime and violence. Also and most of all, our forefathers fought and even put their lives on the line for our freedoms, which we know, have and enjoy today. We should not have to change or alter those freedoms, for the rights and liberties of foreign extremists and foreign terrorists to accomplish their means to attack and destroy our nation, and overtake and rule us, most of all.

    • Peace Warrior

      Bill Bates Sir,

      The creator and now ruler of the United Nations is the USA. The rest of the world, including the Arab nations are US puppets. You’ve been given the Koolaid, you drank it and now you are asking for more. Meanwhile, more rights are being stripped away, while some think they are doing something worthwhile by merely waving a flag or posting ignorant, unfounded and inane comments. Well, anybody can do that.

      So many delusional people on here, including the author of this article who lays a path of yet more smoke and mirrors, creating a sense of patriotism falsely.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Bill: I sympathise with your ideas. The only problem is what should have happened never would have. Western Europe and all of Asia would have fallen to Communist domination. America and maybe the British Commonwealth would have been left alone in a sea of totaliarn obressive gvts. America took on the mantle as the chief protector of the Free World. It’s been a massive chess game throughout the Cold War and we did make our fair share of mistakes. Now the Western World faces a new threat, that of Muslim domination. The question is that if we, as a free people, have the will to not only defend ourselves but to defeat this new face of evil. A good first start would be to get out of the UN and get the UN off our shores.

  • Jack

    Hard to believe that some will trade freedom for security, when as a wise old geezer named Ben once said those who do will have neither

  • Free Mind

    Humorous fiction. Ben is writing on the premise that Islamic terrorist are responsible for 9/11 when we now know the US Federal government are the perpetrators.
    People argue over the “evidence” on this contraversial conspiracy but consider this:

    Why would somebody bent on destruction hit a symbolic target rather than a stratigic one? Wouldn’t it be more effective to destroy unprotected electrical dams and railway lines?
    Think about that next time you want to buy into government propaganda.

    • Dagney

      What rock did these people crawl out from under?

    • Jim

      If they wanted to kill “infidels” as they say, How about a large sporting event, say superbowl? That would be much more effective, by the numbers. none of the official story makes any sense.

      • Mark Are

        10 years have passed since this false flag bull. 100 Muslims, 50 snipers, 50 spotters sent out to the 50 states would bring this whining nation of government tit sucking babies to their knees crying…HELP US! Take all of our rights away! Here’s my guns. Here’s my kids for your wars. Here’s my wife for your prostitution houses. Here’s my mind for your toilet.

        • 45caliber

          You must live in some NE city. I hardly see most Americans getting that worried about your example. When they had the DC sniper, the biggest problem the police had was preventing the residents from taking their own guns and looking for the sniper.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        For whatever reason they picked the Towers it sure worked fine for their side. Terrorism is all about making a statement and media coverage.

    • Daniel

      Jet planes nearly full of jet fuel cause explosions that resulted in a little thing called heat transfer, weakening both complete structures, causing them to collapse. For the conspiracy nutcases that do not understand how that works, hold a torch to a metal rod for 20 minutes and then grab the other end. Hurts don’t it?

      For the nut who asks why they only hit the twin towers because they are symbols, and why not hit strategic targets, I ask then what the hell is the Pentagon considered to be? Where was the PA plane heading?

      Lots of simple minds in here talking big about not letting the media and government control your minds while spewing the most ridiculous conspiracy theories in the world. Shame on you. I do think our government is the most corrupt in world histpry and most of them need to be imprisoned for their actions against the constitution. Until we get true Patriotic, Americans in Congress and the White House, that simply will not happen. Yes, America is truly a nation of Cowards it appears.

      • DaveH

        If you want to be naive, then be naive, but don’t disparage others who are simply seeking the truth. There are lots of questions about the 9/11 attacks, that simply haven’t been answered adequately, largely because people like yourself are so quick to swallow whatever pablum Big Government dishes out.
        Jet Fuel at the World Trade Center on 9-11:

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          You’re right there are questions that need answered.
          1) Why was Jamie Gorelick on the 9/11 commision instead of being a wittness ?
          2) Why was the obious shootdown of the airliner off of Long Island covered up by the Clinto administration ?
          3) Why were there no taxi cabs at the Towers that day ?
          4) What happened to the Muslim school kid who told his teacher, 9/10, that the Towers would be gone the next day.
          5) Why didn’t Clinton take out Bin Laden when the opportunity presented itself.

          so many questions, so few answers.

        • BradyK

          DaveH-Totally agree with you.Most Americans believe the manipulated news media and until they realize it,the sheep will follow the lies.

      • 45caliber


        I agree with you. As an engineer I have to deal with steel and heat all the time.

        If anyone wants a good demonstation of what happened, all they have to do is go to the local hardware store and pick up an iron/steel rod. Then they heat the middle of it with a torch. As soon as it gets hot enough, it will bend. To make things simple, that is exactly what happened at the WTC.

        The columns are insulated – for one hour rating. Heat will transmit through insulation (after all, why does your insulated house get warm in the summer heat without AC?). It just takes awhile longer with insulation. Once the steel is heated enough, it fails. Very simple. But to people hunting someone to blame, it is too simple.

        • DaveH

          Did you read the above link, 45?
          You are comparing apples to oranges. A torch (depending on type of fuel) can burn at anywhere from 2600 deg F (butane) to 6300 deg F (oxy/acetylene), and on top of that your example is concentrating that torch at a particular spot, neither of which would have been the case with the burning jet fuel.

          • 45caliber


            You are quite correct about the heat of a torch – which is required to melt steel at about 2300 F. Addition of oxygen will burn the steel just as wood will burn – that’s how a torch can cut steel. It actually burns the steel away.

            BUT – we are NOT talking about melting the steel for this failure. We are talking about the loss of strength of steel members. There is a BIG difference there. Engineers consider steel to have lost so much strength at 1200 F that it won’t even support it’s own weight. It bends and collapses. Nor does it have to be heat applied to just one point to cause it to bend at that point. If the entire thing is heated (as can be done in some ovens) then where it fails depends entirely upon the actual chemical makeup of the steel at any point. No two steels will bend at the exact same point but they both will bend. In this case, it was almost a classic oven since the fire and heat was sucking in air (oxygen). The beams didn’t need to be heated at one point and weren’t.

            In addition, building steel is really the cheapest steel there is. As a result it’s composition isn’t exactly the same from one point to another. Trust me – it collapsed due to heat even if you would like to blame someone in our government.

          • 45caliber


            Want to see an actual failure like the WTC?

            Find a company in your area that makes vessels. Most of them will have a heat-treating oven. The ovens are used to evenly heat the vessel steel to a certain temp (which you set) and then cool it off slowly to eliminate any welding stresses.

            Make a simply building. All you will need are some rods and a floor on top. You can even weld them together if you like. A couple of floors would be even better.

            Then put your construction in the oven and heat it up to see when it fails – and how it failes. You will have duplicated the WTC failure.

            But I’ll let you pay for the cost. The only ones who have been willing to pay for this sort of thing are those who do the actual experiments to determine things like the strength of steel at various temps.

          • DaveH

            Why didn’t the building then bend and collapse asymmetrically at the point of impact where the oxygen would have been greatest and the heat therefore would have been greatest? Have you ever tried to construct such sample as you described and then weaken the structure on one side? Does it fall straight down?
            Did you even read the article I posted about the amount of heat that would have been generated by the worst case scenario?
            Your argument doesn’t cut it with me. But feel free to believe whatever you want, 45.

          • Vicki

            From the videos I have seen at least one tower top did list to the side as it collapsed.

            Jet-a fuel burns in open air (no wind) at about 260-315°C (500-599°F)

            I notice from the videos that there is quite a bit of wind at the altitude of the fires. It is reasonable to presume that between the jet-a and the office furniture the temp far exceeded the mere 600 degrees of jet-a open air burn.

            Having been to a few big fires (Oakland Hills oct 20 1991 for 1) I can tell you that wood and other assorted items which burn in open air at around 451F get quite a bit hotter when pushed by 60 mph winds down a canyon. Melting aluminum street signs and softening metal of cars are just some of the effects.

          • Vicki

            With respect to the melted cars in the Oakland Hills fire:
            “The photos show a barren, destroyed landscape—melted cars, charred trees and freestanding chimneys.”

        • Mark Are

          PAAAALLEEEZZZZ 45 caliber. Or is that your IQ? I’d be hard pressed to have you as an engineer for an underground OUTHOUSE, because grey matter is lacking between those potato chip shaped things you call ears.

          • 45caliber

            Are you questioning my engineering knowledge or my refusal to believe your theories? I’m being paid well for my knowledge. That is something that I’m certain that you can’t claim.

        • Ralph

          Jet fuel will burn approximately 1100f when it is reduced to a spray form and mixed with unlimited supply of oxygen and ignition last only seconds … like a big fireball and then it’s all over. the reinforced steel was not exposed enough time to become heated much over a few hundred degrees … anyone with a IQ above human body temperature can easily see how the government’s version of 9/11 could not be true.

          • 45caliber


            Jet fuel, gasoline, or any other liquid fuel CANNOT burn in a liquid form. It burns as a vapor. Spill some gasoline on the floor and set it afire. Then take a very close look at the flame. The flame is actually just above the liquid gasoline as it burns the vapor that comes off the heated gasoline.

            Liquid fuel CAN burn if it is in an enclosed area and subjected to both heat and pressure. That’s what a motor does. And that is normally the temp that is quoted as the temp a fuel burns.

            As I stated below, steel weakens as it is heated. At about 1200 F we consider that steel has no strength at all – and even at 1100 F, that is enough to weaken the steek enough to allow it to bend due to the weight overhead. The steel itself did NOT have to melt, only weaken.

          • Vicki

            And there was more than Jet-A fuel in the towers. There was lots and lots of office furniture and stuff to feed the fire long after all the Jet-A might have been consumed.

          • Vicki

            Let us look for a moment at a common house fire. Fed by furniture, much like an office fire, The temp can quickly reach 1100 F or even higher. And that is without any wind to accelerate the burn.


          • Vicki

            Another ref to just how hot and how fast a fire spreads

            The Power of Fire
            The National Fire Protection Association produced a film entitled “Fire Power”, in which a two-storey wood-framed house was destroyed by fire as a demonstration. The progress of the uncontrolled fire was closely monitored.


            search for the words “The Power of Fire”

          • Kate8

            Vicki – That’s true.

            Some years back we had a major forest fire here. My boss’s house was the first to go. The burning trees and brush surrounding his house, even though they were cleared back, were so hot that the house simply exploded from the intense heat.

            He had a tractor in the lower garage, and it melted to the ground.

      • Ralph

        Daniel, chemistry or science wasn’t your favorite school topic was it …. jet fuel can only burn at a certain temperature and no hotter, while steel only melts at a vastly different temperature. The point being that jet fuel cannot melt steel since it can’t reach the higher temps need for melting steel. Reinforced steel inside a fire fed by jet fuel will never melt … even if it last for years. Only a thermite based fire could melt that steel core in the Twin Towers.

        • 45caliber

          You are wrong. STeel does NOT have to melt to lose its strength. It can bend due to a loss of strength far before it melts. If you believe it had to melt to drop the weight of the floors above, you are sadly wrong.

          • Ralph

            A fireball is just that … its over in seconds and doesn’t have enough time to even get the steel hotter than a few hundred degrees.

          • 45caliber

            See my note on it to you below. VAPOR burns and explodes. LIQUID does not. It only spreads out.

          • Vicki

            Ralph. Physics and science weren’t your favorite topics in school either were they? As I have pointed out before JetA can burn hot enough to weaken steel but the whole jet fuel argument is a red herring. All the fuel that was needed to reach temperatures high enough to seriously weaken or melt steel was provided by the office furniture and other combustibles that can clearly be seen burning long after the last of the jet fuel would have been exhausted.

            See my posts above for examples and links.

    • 45caliber

      Free(but Closed) Mind:

      To the rest of the world, the WTC was where all the US people controlled the money that they kept from the rest of the world. Obviously we were using it to prevent them from being rich too. All they had to do was destroy the WTC and we wouldn’t be able to keep “their” money from getting to them.

      To the terrorists, this wasn’t a ‘symbolic’ target.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Free Mindless: your incredible stupidity is only overcome by your blatant ignorance. Fly back to the Mother Ship; fly, fly, fly.

  • Moose

    Jorge, you can shove your theory up your xxx. I was there ,I watched the planes target the trade center. Go back to what ever hole in the ground you came from.

    • Jack

      I guess there is no way we can ever bury all the conspiracy theories, no matter how many times it has been misproven.

      • Jemave


        Please who debunk the conspiracy theory?
        The biggest conspiracy theory is the one blasted by the government and its slave media for the sheeples to gobble.

      • Rusticus


        There are conspiracy theories. There are also facts that include analysis and information that the govt wants you to ignore. They have programmed you so that all they have to do is call any mention of these facts a conspiracy theory and you will dutifully put on your blinders and ignore them.

        The official explanation for 9-11 is crap. I don’t know exactly what happened on 9-11 but I do know with certainty that the govt explanation is a lie.

        • 45caliber

          If you want an engineering explaination for the collapse, read my note below.

          • DaveH

            If nothing else, watch the collapse of one of the towers early in the film. Note the severe damage at entry point. Note that each floor was engineered to withstand the weight of all above floors. Why didn’t the area at entry point asymmetrically collapse almost immediately after the crash, at which point due to the explosion of the plane the heat would have been greatest? Yet the lower floors start collapsing in an orderly fashion supposedly due to burning jet fuel. Why would heat so intense as to weaken the structural supports, not also blow out the windows and be seen to billow smoke?
            Most of all, why are so many people so sheepishly willing to dismiss any evidence of foul play by Governments that have been known to create false-flag events virtually every time they need to rally the support of the citizens for yet another war? It’s gotten so bad now, that a supposedly anti-war President can involve us in an Unconstitutional war with the meekest excuse of the bad guy being an atrocious murderous dictator (and has been for decades), and a large portion of our population meekly goes along.
            Can we say Baa-a-a, Baa-a-a, Baa-a-a?

          • 45caliber


            The reason the floor didn’t collapse at the point of entry of the plane is called “safety factor”. In anything we design, we have safety factors included. Some of them are actually built into the calculations we use – generally a 50% safety factor AT LEAST. We also tend to add our own safety factors. For instance, if I calculate that a 8″ x 60 lb/ft wide flange beam will support some load safely, I will usually use a 10″ beam – which will usually double (at least) the safety factor. We also have “corrosion allowances” and other such safety factors we add in. One thing we don’t want to do is kill someone because we missed a decimal point or because we want to save some money on material (which is the cheapest part of something).

            The floors above were still supported by three sides. That will do the job without a problem. BUT … once the beams on those three sides were heated, all safety factor disappeared.

            Take a rod and heat the middle of it. If you are pushing on the top end, it will suddenly fold in the middle – and it doesn’t take much of a push once it is hot enough. In fact, with the right heat, it will fall on its own under its own weight. That is what was done – regardless of what you may wish to think. As I’ve heard many times while working as an engineer – “Equations don’t lie.”

            Besides, consider the pilot. They would have to know exactly where any explosives might have been installed. They would have to come in at the precisely correct angle on the precise floor. They would have to come in at an exact speed to prevent exploding the explosives early. And so on. On the other hand, if they depended soley upon the heat, none of this mattered. I think they would take the easy way. Further, the only other way would be for someone to run up there and plant some explosives AFTER the planes had struck. And there would have been no time to escape the explosion after they planted them. While I know Americans have done that when they were doing good, I doubt if you could find any Americans to deliberately kill themselves just to help some politician start a war.

          • 45caliber

            Also, Dave, heat doesn’t have to shock a window enough to blow it out to heat beams. And smoke doesn’t have to not billow. Frankly, after the strike of the plane, there weren’t that many whole windows on that floor anyway. A window explodes because too much heat hits it too fast for the glass to expand on one side while not expanding on the other side where the air is cooling it. It can also melt it out. You don’t need white heat to heat the steel enough to bend – a normal house fire can do that. Take a look at the wreckage of a house fire some time. There are steel pipes in many of them. A normal fire will heat steel enough to seriously weaken it – and this fire was fueled by jet fuel.

          • Ralph

            After the initial fireball ignition which lasted only seconds, the subsequent fires in the building were mostly office fire, i.e. furniture, clothing, floor tiles, curtains, papers, etc and none of these could even hope to weaken hardened much less melt steel

          • DaveH

            Safety factors? Oh yeah the same ones that allow jet fuel to leak symmetrically around a building so that the floors collapse evenly and the building comes straight down. Oh, but I forget, the radical islamics were so intelligent that they struck the building precisely at the point where the fuel would then leak just right to bring the building straight down. Just ignore the fact that the strike point was anything by symmetrical.
            And then there’s this, Tower 7, not touched by the collisions:

            You’re in the wrong profession, 45. You could save the demolition experts tons of money since their carefully placed explosives are just a waste of time.

          • DaveH

            You’re grasping at straws, 45 — “They [pilots] would have to know exactly where any explosives might have been installed”. Oh, they would, would they? And pray tell, why? You really think anybody would notice some prematurely detonated explosives when a plane is exploding into a building?
            Yet you think they would count on the randomness of fuel spray from an exploding airplane to bring the building down?
            As far as finding people to die, that would be easy. I don’t know why you would assume they had to be Americans. They probably really did think that they were dying for their cause. In fact, according to things I’ve read, most of them didn’t know it was a suicide mission. Think about all the servicemen in the middle east who really believe that they are dying for our Freedom. People are gullible. If they weren’t everything would be wonderful and there would never be tyrants.
            I should add that decades ago I remember people arguing vehemently that the Lusitania was not carrying contraband. People prefer to keep their heads in the sand. That is a fact.
            And maybe you could explain to me why the vast majority of the perps were Saudi Arabian, yet we left Saudi Arabia untouched?

          • 45caliber

            LOL. Dave, you should so some study on engineering. Or talk to a good civil engineer since they design those buildings.

            First, how would the pilot know which floor to hit? How would they know they could actually hit that floor? How would they know that the explosives would not go off the moment they hit?

            Second, both planes were loaded with fuel. They hadn’t flown enough to use up much of it so there was lots of fuel. Yeah, you’ll get a fire ball – from the vaporized fuel in the tanks. But most of the fuel will remain liquid and will be thrown all over the entire floor. The fire ball (blast) will take out all the walls leaving only the steel. Sheet rock doesn’t stand up to blast very well. The fuel burns – but there isn’t enough wood or other flammables on the floor to make a really good fire.

            I know I’m running down the theory you like but it is fact, after all. Even scientists dislike to see their theories go down in smoke because the facts don’t back them up.

          • 45caliber


            If a wood fire in a home can weaken steel and cause it to sag so can an office fire. That’s why they put insulation on the columns in multi-story buildings. They give it an hour to try to have time to get as many people out as possible.

            However, the fuel does NOT explode all at once. The fire ball came ONLY from the vapors in the ruptured tanks and what initial vapor was released. You can weld on a tank full of gasoline safely (and we do it all the time when the tank leaks) if the weld is below the liquid level. The liquid will not burn. But it certainly can be spread by the blast to burn. There was a LOT of fuel on those two planes. It would take awhile to burn.

          • DaveH

            Don’t be condescending. You know nothing of my knowledge base. I doubt you could stand up to me in any kind of science test. I WAS an engineer (aeronautical). And I’ve spent a lifetime doing things that were outside the range of my employment discipline (building sheds, furniture, masonry, etc.). I have no mental handicaps.
            If you want to get nasty, I would be happy to oblige you.
            I thought I made it clear in my other comment that it wouldn’t matter if they set off some of the explosives? For such an educated guy, you can’t figure out that one explosive won’t set off the others? If that were the case, demolition experts would be out of work. Their expertise lies in setting off explosives differentially so that the walls collapse the way they want them to collapse, so as not to damage adjacent buildings. When surrounded by other buildings, they want the walls to collapse inward, so they must blow out center supports first, then outer supports, in a very controlled fashion. If one explosive set off the others they wouldn’t have much control, would they?
            Obviously, by your statement that “both planes were loaded with fuel”, I can deduce that you didn’t read the article that I linked to. What? Are you afraid you’ll learn something?
            You really should read the article before you flap your lips anymore.

          • DaveH

            Here’s another link that 45 won’t bother reading before he shoots off his mouth:

        • Libertarian

          Right on!

          90% of Germans believe 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB! What happens when one crosses the pond?

          Please watch:

 – 9/11 Fake The Incredible Moving Verrazzano Bridge
 – 911 Octopus – New World Order


        • 45caliber

          As far as Saudi is concerned, your guess is as good as mine. I suspect that the government has too close ties with Saudi and don’t want to admit that Saudi is also Islam.

      • Rusticus

        The only thing that has been disproven, is the “Offical Story.” Pay attention.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      No Moose, you’re wrong. Those airplanes were holograms or else you were the victim of mass hypnosis instigated by our gvt. to blame the poor misunderstood terrorists for the act. Oh, those rascally Republicans.

  • FlaJim

    Somehow, we’ve managed to avoid another catastrophe like 9/11 for the past year and a half. At least, the Bush administration was vigilent and wasn’t in bed with the moslems, followers of that ‘peaceful religion.’ In fact, we’ve foiled over 40 plots against us since we got our guard up.

    The moslems think they may be gaining ground here but they’re sadly mistaken if they’re looking in only Dem strongholds. In the real America, what the elite like to call ‘cross over country,’ we don’t take any crap and we’re well armed.

    On 9/11, I was watching the news and became a conduit on line for many who were working and had no TV or radio access. The images from that day are still fresh. I will never forget nor forgive.

    Well written, Ben. I’ve forwarded your article to several others.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. The MSM says we are terrified and the jihadists believe them. Actually, the only ones who might be terrified are the libs who simply cannot understand why people they are bribing to be friends would do this to them.

  • Earth

    Ben Crystal ought to do his homework before writing politically correct articles.
    It has been proven beyond doubt that 9/11 was an inside job.
    Bush Jnr, the CIA and various Jews concoted this tragedy.
    That gave them the excuse to invade any contry that under the false flag as “War on Terror”
    The Terror is right here at home.
    It is called Bush, Clinton, the FED,etc.

  • Richard

    Why in the world would someone want to me micro managed by other people selfish who don’t know or care about them? That’s crazy!!! In society some rules are needed, but when you have too many and they infringe in people’s free choice and will, it becomes tyranny. Some people just tove to live in the cage I guess. People like that should go to a place like China, where big brother even tells you if you sould have a kid or not. So much for land of the free with people like that. lol

  • Viper

    I was particularly interested in the paragraph where noted the fact about the mistakes we have made and how we can easily fix them with an election. (Well said) I urge you Sir to take off the gloves from this point on. Letting the world know what loser’s are what they look like what they sound like unfortunately well they smell like does more harm to trasmed and the boys and rallies our spirits .Well done. Keep em coming until we (WE) right the final chapter

  • Richard

    One day they can knock on our doors with big guns and say, we are here to help you, we are taking you to a camp for your own good. That is because we are “free and home of the brave” lol

  • Salamidab

    The “Fat Lady” is warming up but the factories in Pakistan and China are louder.

  • Mirage

    Yo, President Obama, you’ve been doing a horrible job so far of leading our country, but, Ben ment to congratulate you for having Bin Laden killed on your watch. Ditto for also recently killing their second man in charge. He couldn’t give you credit for anything, because apparently, as a man who puts party first, country second, that would be grounds for dismisal from the grand puppet masters.
    Any way, so much for the charge that America is somehow less safe during your presidency than under Bush, or that somehow you’re part of a muslim conspiracy, a Kenyan who was not born in America … intentional hyperbole designed to demonize and deflect serious talk about the real issues.
    Now, how about the commulative parties of the D’s, R’s, and T’s focusing less on party agenda, and more on doing something together, for the sake of the economy and the country … as in; WTF are the jobs????

  • nick beck

    I was in the demolition bus. for 15 yrs. including explosive demo. as A. Lincoln said — you can fool some of the people all the time and all of the people some of the time BUT NOT ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. I would make the safest bet of my life and put ALL of my estate on the FACT that the 2 planes were incidental to the fall of the buildings PERIOD…..If the population were not so dumbed out and with their heads voluntarily in the sand this would come to light. too many are FOOLS i sorry to say. They insist on swollowing sh. all the time.

    • Connie

      Why would it have been an inside job? Do you conspiracy jokers not believe the jihadists could have managed to plant explosives in the World Trade Towers? They have done such as this elsewhere, why not here? These low life killers are quite good at blowing things, and themselves, up – on a regular basis.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        World Trade Center Garage 1993. There are probably people who believe that was an inside job too.

        • Mark Are

          LOL! The only guy who believes that was a conspiracy is the guy who built the bomb for the FBI and planted it…

        • Jacques Cuse

          Yes, indeed! Please read up on that one and find out how the government let the 1993 bombing happen and how the secret service was actually involved…

          The same is true for many other so-called attacks. Take for instance the Oklahoma Murrah Building. The following link is an official report on the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Which was prepared by Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, USAF (Retired) and dated July 30, 1995.

          The report was submitted to the U.S. Congress and is a matter of the Congressional Record. And what do you think Congress actually did whit this outstanding and thorough report? Zilch, Nada!

          In my eyes these kind of ‘inside jobs’ can’t even be called that because the U.S. government is actually very much so anti-American. They are working for the puppet masters while their pay-check comes from their lawful employer, the U.S. population. They ought to be hung for high treason, all of’em…

    • 45caliber

      As an engineer who designs equipment and buildings, you are wrong. Steel begins to lose its strength at 600 degrees. At about 1200 degrees, it can fail easily.

      The burning plane fuel easily heated those columns to well over a thousand degrees. The weight on the floors above it would cause the columns to fail without any difficulty. The hammer blow of the collapse would cause those beams below it to fail, which is exactly what happened.

      It didn’t require any explosives to cut those columns as you seem to believe. All it would take is enough heat.

      • CJM

        Thankfully, 45c, a breath of freash air—you are correct and what you stated has been proven time and time again. Unfortunately, the conspirator believers have difficulty in dealing with the truth–especially those who support these bullish thugs (I have better names for them, but the monitor won’t allow them to be printed).

        • Song

          Yes thank you 45 for being a level head in “conspiracy land”. Your examples and your experience are evident in your posts and carry much more credibility with me than the obtuse attacks against them which hold about as much water as the theory of global warming…

  • Salamidab

    Wish we could find Jesus. He was stuck in some hole in the ground too but we have no trace of him. He was dead right? He could give us some answers. Get special forces on that.

    • 45caliber

      It isn’t hard to find Jesus. You’re just looking in the wrong place.

  • 2WarAbnVet

    If all that is written in this article is true; then why do we have a government with leaders who stedfastedly refuse to admit that we have a deadly enemy? I believe I know the answer to my question, but do you?

    • OttoV

      Yes, Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton

      • 45caliber

        Our ‘deadly enemy’ has moved into the White House.

  • OttoV

    I am glad Bill Clinton wasn’t the president during 9/11. H would have bombed more Christians in Serbia then sat on his thumb as usual.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Monica would have sat on his thumb. where is that little slut these days ? She probably doesn’t have any problems getting a date.

  • spxz

    Wow Ben. You brought out every retard, idiot, conspiracy theorist, etc.! I will say this, as someone who was there in person. It was the planes flown by Muslim scumbags that were responsible. There was no conspiracy. The targets they chose were excellent ones. The intent was to destroy the financial heart of the US (Trade Centers), the Pentagon (Strategic Target) and the White House (which was the plane the passangers brought down in Pa. Excellent target selection. And except for the Trade Center buildings, the balance of the attack was not really successful. Minimal damage and loss of life at the Pentagon, and the White House plane, destroying the White House and the President (although the President was not there) would have overshadowed the Trade Center destruction, had the President been in the White House, and the White House destroyed. Which makes me ask those ‘dumber than a box of rocks’ conspiracy fools – “why would a Government Conspiracy try and kill themselves”? Oh, you couldn’t think that far in advance! You’re still thinking about those evil ‘right wing Republican terrorists’. Oh, by the way – those terrorists are all registered Democrats, not Republicans! Do you know how you can tell instantly? They are the ones with jobs, who are working, and not asking for more and more Government hand-outs. They BOUGHT their Social Security with their own money, which the liberal spenders took, replacing what they took with IOU’s. That is not an ‘Entitlement’. It was a purchased annuity. Medicare is an ‘entitlement’. Food stamps are an ‘entitlement’. Not Social Security. But then, only the people who work know that. The rest of you fools keep drinking the Kool Aide.

    Want JOBS? Get rid of the gazillion regulations on business. repeal Obamacare. Get rid of Obama. The economy will BOOM! There are Hundreds of the Steve Jobs types in this country just waiting to be unleashed. Steve, get well quick. You’re a giant of an American.

    • Jim

      while I whole heartedly agree with the second half of your post,
      why in the world do you think they would be destroying the “financial heart” of america (your words)? Do you think ALL of america’s money, as well as ALL of america’s instruments of trade were stored in those two buildings? Why not hit the Federal reserve building, or the treasury …
      You go on to ask why the conspiracists would want to kill themselves?
      you said “had the president been there” .. how can you speculate so far out?
      THEY DIDN’T – did you notice, none of them were where they could be harmed, especially our military defense …
      Yes, the muslims may have flown planes into those buildings, but anyone with ANY sense of scientific curiousity would have understood by now that those planes are not what brought the buildings down!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        This has been proven by several scientific organizations. Refuting all of the crazy inside job theories. Popular Mechanics for one. There have been several documentaries where the facts have been reviewed. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that a Passenger Jet loaded with jet fuel crashing into a high rise building will cause it to collapse. I was at home getting ready to leave for work, when my wife, who was watching the news, told me to watch it. My first remark to her, was that the building would collapse. My father was an engineer and he agreed.

        • Jim

          Capitalist at birth, Please, could you direct me to ONE (1) ONE,
          instance in history where ANY airplane took a superstructure down.
          How about the Empire State building when it was struck …
          oh wait, only minimal damage, oh well..
          But please open my eyes to just ONE event …

          • DaveH

            It’s like the theory of airplanes popping like a balloon if their fuselage is penetrated by a bullet. People believe what they want to believe.

          • Vicki

            Jim says:
            “Capitalist at birth, Please, could you direct me to ONE (1) ONE,
            instance in history where ANY airplane took a superstructure down.”

            I can direct you to one. Sept 11,2001. Not just 1 but 2 superstructures taken down by crashing 2 airplanes into the structures.

  • Mark

    The last few nights I have been watching documentaries of behind the scenes chaos of 9-11-01. I remember vividly where I was that morning. When I heard that a plane hit the WTC, I knew immediately it was an act of terrorism. I learned to fly light aircraft back in the ’70s and got my private license. Common sense told me that if the first strike on the north tower was an accident, odds were a billion to one that the pilot would not have had sufficient control to crash that plane somewhere else. (Remember the Hudson?) New Yorkers couldn’t believe it was terrorism until the second plane hit the south tower and another went into the Pentagon. Everybody from civilians to emergency personnel thought it was an accident. Not me. I wasn’t even watching TV when the first plane hit but I did see the second one on live TV. Before that second plane came in I was praying the people in charge would prevent it, but they all thought the first one was an accident. Not likely, unless it was foggy and somehow the plane decended to an unsafe altitude and got off course. And when I heard that Flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania, I somehow knew that the passengers had gotten word of the other planes and did something about it. They are the real heroes in this tragedy, along with the ones who died trying to save others.

    • Libertarian

      Hi Mark,
      you say: New Yorkers couldn’t believe it was terrorism until the second plane hit the south tower and another went into the Pentagon.

      But, there were NO VICTIMS at the Pentagon !!! There was NO PLANE at the Pentagon !!! What was destroyed in the fire there were the ONLY documents accountants were going through to indicate where the $2.3 Trillion went !!! The ONLY other place where ANY documents were stashed was the Building 7 !!!

      Have a great day & if you have the time, do watch some of the movie links i posted above. Blessings!

  • http://n/a John Beach

    The heat of emotion and the diversity of causality elicit responses that are defiant of the sanity of common sense and the effect is more of the same. Government of, by and for the people is the gift we would give to those who have no knowledge, history of appreciation of it. I say “we” because, like it or not, the expressed policies of the President of the United States, especially in matters of foreign affairs, are supposed to be supported by “all the people.” I have found it hard to stomach the cost of the war on terror in terms of the lives lost or permanently maimed as the “price of liberty” for countries of foreignors who have neither the know-how, will, or inclination to do it for themselves. My alternative was cheaper, more definitive and just as secure: Stop all immigration, all tourism, all trade, all shipping and all airline flights to and from those countries of the Muslim world. Issue an ultimatum of conditions to be met concerning the internal affairs of those countries. Secure the borders of the United States as well as our ports of entry. Discriminate, profile and use any other means necessary, short of war and the violation of the sovereignty of those nations, to assure our national security. Left alone, what they would do to themselves is worth more than what the U.S. Marines could do to them and is far less costly to the American taxpayer. I wouldn’t even want to watch.

  • 45caliber

    The ‘terrorists’ depend on frightening their victims to gain power. Despite our media’s attempts, we don’t frighten very easily. Actually, I don’t know anyone who was frightened at all. It only made us angry … and determined to get some pay-back. Perhaps it is an American thing but we don’t grow up in fear so we don’t fear when someone attempts to force us to do it. Hitler tried – and did a much better job of it than these terrorists did – where did it get him?


    $ numbers are adjusted gross income

    The 47% make 1000 Billion income

    The deficit in 2009 was 1400 Billion

    The 47% are 70,000,000 workers

    If we take 25% of that large number we cover 250 of 1400. Big deal

    If we take 50% we get 500 of 1400. Bigger deal.

    Do you want 70,000,000 workers to pay a 50% tax which would get us only 500 for 3800 budget.

    Top 70,000,000 pay 13% of their Income in Income tax

    Top 70,000,000 would need to pay 32% tax rate to cover 1400B deficit.

    Only the Top Income can pay for our budget. Top 50% paid 13% Rate.

    We borrowed 1400B which helped many of them get richer and others deeper in Debt.

    It is time to have a Flat Progressive Tax System.

    $25,000-$50,000 pay 25%

    $51,000-$100,000 pay 35^

    $101,000-$1,000,000 pay 40%

    $1,00,000 up pay 50%

    Payroll Cap lifted—how dumb are we? $10 million income pays 1%—$100 Million pays 1/10th of 1%

    John Paulson paid 1/100th of 1% or $106,000 whereas under no cap he pays $250 million.

    Means Test Social Security-Medicare—Yes Amigo! The Rich do get it, My dead late pal worth 50M + and income1Million + got it.. Winter apartment renting rich at hotels in Miami Beach get it.

    How dumb can we get?

    $1 Trillion of Exemptions eliminated.

    OECD study revealed that America is 27th of 28 nations on Least Taxed list.

    In 2010, Corporations paid 1% of GDP in taxes lowest since Jesus preached against the rich.

    Individual Incomes paid 9% or least since 1953.Are you proud that America ranks 25th of 28 rich nations on Equality.

    Want to rank 28th on Equality and 28% on Least taxed then send more Republicans into Congress.

    Yes! Conservative Republican Ideology got into this mess that will take years to recover.

    Huge Tax Cuts for the Rich.. Fight the world’s wars for Defense industry buddies. Let Wall Street Casino Derivative gamble billions that contribute no value or jobs to our economy. Let Big Banks, that own 80% of deposits in 7600 Banks, get rich buying/selling unaffordable mortgages to middle class stagnated incomes via many fraudulent techniques making hundreds of billions while millions of families get pain and construction industry hurts for years.

    What would Jesus Christ say about our Wall Street of 2011??? “Close that sucker”

    end of weekly rant


    • dhellew2

      Clarence, while you are in part on the right track, you numbers are way off. Check out the census and treasurer reports. We know they are wrong but they are closer than any other report available.

      It isn’t so much the taxing method that is the problem but rather the fact that 70% of the people pay ZERO taxes.

      An estimated 10% of the taxpayers are classed as rich and they pay 40% of the taxes. All the other taxes are paid private sector businesses and their workers… 20% of the eligible workers.

      The rich are taxed at 25%
      The net worth of the 8200 super rich is 240 billion
      The interest on the national debt (5% without compounding) 750 billion
      50% of the workers (government employees) pay zero taxes
      40% or the private sector pay zero taxes (low income, welfare, etc.)
      Government owes 85 trillion entitlement debt at 5% interest
      Government generates zero income only expense

      Most of the wealth of the ‘rich’ is investment not cash. Those that say the rich are rich are either fools or idiots. My so called net worth is about 1.5 million but if I sold my houses after government takes 25% for capital gains then another 25% for income tax I would only have 750,000 left, not including unrecoverd tenant damage expense..

      Not much to show for a lifetime of work and risk. We lost one house to illegal fireworks, tenant got off scott free. We had a house trashed, $30,000 damages. Numerous bankruptcy’s filed by tenants that damage property, etc. Still it is a better retirement investment than ira’s and 401k’s so long as I don’t sell them, ever. I will work till the day I die but I do have a better life than social security only folks.

      Think about the tax cuts that people complained benefit the rich. Well, the rich are the ones that paid the taxes, the same ones that create the jobs. When you get a tax break do you hire someone or did you spend it? I hired someone.

    • 45caliber


      Go back to Hiffington Post. They might believe the swill you copy there.

    • Libertarian

      YOU GOT IT!

      a suggestion for the future, your post is a bit too long for the average guy out there. Only the ones who already know your info will be interested in listening to it. BUT, it is right on! :)

  • freeman

    I wish I could agree with you, and if we had sent a team out to get this guy, then maybe I could agree with you, but it looks to me like bin Laden won after all. Look what he said:

    “We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah,” bin Laden said in the transcript.


    He said the mujahedeen fighters did the same thing to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, “using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers.”

    It looks to me like our politicians played right into his plan and are merrily on their way to bankrupting the country. In fact, they’re no longer on their way; they’ve actually succeeded.

    Furthermore if, as is so often said, they hate us for our freedoms, then those are gone, too, for our politicians’ paranoia has turned America into a nearly total police state, and is getting worse with every passing day. So I wouldn’t be congratulating us too much for bringing down a few of these guys, and this one guy in particular. I’d much rather have my freedom and my dollar back.

    • Nomadr

      Well said Freeman, thats exactly the point I was making in my reply to Daniel (above) thanks for filling in some of the blanks!

  • Stunned at sunset

    Yeah but, Ben, tell us how you REALLY feel!

  • Old Henry

    I enjoyed your article Ben. However, “over reacted to 9/11″ is an understatement.
    We reacted to the Islamofascists by instituting fascism right here in the U.S. with the very Hitleresque Homeland Security and TSA.

    Thank you George W. Bush and the Republican Congress who held our Constitution in as much disdain as Little Barry Soetoro the communist Muslim Kenyan.

    • Libertarian

      “We reacted (…) by instituting fascism right here in the U.S. with the very Hitleresque Homeland Security and TSA”.

      - YES, THAT WAS THE GOAL !!!



  • Raggs

    The big question…

    Who do we fear the most?

    1… The terrorist
    2… The government

    • Mark Are

      NEITHER. Because I don’t have the word “fear” in my vocabulary. I don’t fear death and if enough of us didn’t…”THEY” would be running for the hills. However, for sake of argument? Those RUNNING the government are PSYCHOPATHS and they have no conscience. Those called terrorists are more of the normal bent who have given up on life and want to pay back those who have killed their love ones and blown up their homes. So, I’ll steer clear of those running the government as a survival technique.

      • 45caliber


        I agree that few of us fear death so much that we refuse to fight and cower to someone who threatens us.

        But I have one major question. Why is it that everyone says the terrorist is fighting us ONLY because we kill his relatives and burn his home? Actually they tend to use that excuse but attack FIRST.

        When that was pointed out to one of the terrorist leaders once, he said, “Well, we KNOW that they are going to attack us back sooner or later. We simply want to get our revenge before they attack.” The funny thing is that he never suggested that the REASON they were being attacked was because they were attacking first.

    • Libertarian

      …sometimes it is hard, isn’t it? …

  • Boomp

    History says Nero Fiddled whole Rome Burned. It took around 900 plus years according to the History Books. Are the Politicos repeating History where we are a klik over 200 Years old?

  • Boomp

    oops “whole” should be “while”

  • Al Hill

    I’ll go with DaveH in the first response.

    Secondly; Ben, I think you went way over the top. I respectfully disagree.

    As for the conspiracy theories. We all have our opinions but unless you have officially verified proof of some kind, it’s still just you opinion. No matter how convinced you are.

  • fred

    Islamofascists don’t scare me because they are largely the creation of real fascists in the USA pretending to be patriots:

    Anyone who takes anything our mainstream media says about 9/11 out to have his head, and his patriotism examined. Our country was not founded upon the notion that we should blindly trust those in power. It was founded on the notion that those in power CAN NOT BE TRUSTED. Thus the separation of powers. Every day the lies of 9/11 go unchallenged is another day that people get more acclimated and accepting of all those lies. A time will come, and may be here now, when Americans could not recognize the truth even if they were shown it. We live in a fantasy world wherein when we do evil to other countries, we think we are doing good.

    • Aniko

      If you hate this country’s leaders so much why not move to a country with better government?

    • Libertarian

      Great post!



  • robt shrugged

    raggs I for one say neither. I fear that honest God fearing people will be suckered in to the give up freedom for safety. as our founding fathers said to give up a freedom safety you will surely lose both, and in todays world even more. I will willingly give up my life for for freedom. I can provide the safety that I need, can you? if you can not provide for your safety you better find some tea party members who are gun toteing people to teach you about protecting yourself. freedom is not free, it is won by defending your own freedom which also protects other people. but when enough people will defend themselves others will be protected, but they will supply money and other support to the freedom fighters. that is what happened in our revoulution. there are many ways to fight for your freedom, please do so.

  • Roger

    YES 9/11 was terrible but have Americans REALLY learned a REAL TRUTH from that evil act?

    Judging by Ben Crystal’s humorous but pathetic RANT,I say NO……. Americans have learned NOTHING. They have learned nothing because of naivete and/or an unwillingness to learn about their own Economic, Political and Military HISTORY of ABUSES in virtually every small country around this beautiful planet. At least the “Islamofascits” have admitted to their “deeds”….

    …BUT have Americans admitted to their DIRECT and INDIRECT responsibility in “reaping what they have sown”.Of course not!

    War is more profitable with the American Military ESTABLISHMENT just like fraud is ,for the Western FINANCIAL ESTABLISHMENT, led by the U.S.A. “Fed” et al.

    If American,”Joe Public” would take the TIME and EFFORT to study their own history and what American Governments,as proxies for the Rich and Powerful establishment, have done to bring about what the West calls “Terrorism”, they would begin, with HONEST INTROSPECTION, to realize tht the real Terrorists are Western Governments,LED by the “good ol boys ” of the U. S. of A.

    But HONESTY and REAL Courage is not a viable industry with Americans and other Westerners, anymore.

    • 45caliber


      I think you are wrong on your basic beliefs but right on some. There are several reasons that Americans are not liked but I don’t think war is one of them.

      For one thing, Americans always assume that others would react the same way we would to any problem. Therefore, we tend to tell them the solution – according to how we would try to solve the problem – which in many cases won’t work for them. For instance, famine. If we had a famine here, you can bet that the last people to go hungry would be the small children. We would protect them as long as possible. But in Africa, where they have frequent famines, they tend to feed the young adults first. After all, they KNOW that sooner or later the famine will go away. If they feed the young children first, then the adults die and the kids starve since there is no one to care for them. If the young adults live and the children die, they can have more children when food is again plentiful. The old generally stop eating first and die to provide the additional food to the young adults. The people of other countries consider this as American arragance when it is really our belief that we are right to solve the problem since that is the way we would do it.

      We do send in troops to many areas. But the troops are not there to conquer as we are accused even by our own liberals. How many nations have we conquered and continued to control since American began? None. The troops are sent there to stop the enemy (as in Iraq) but then we tend to turn it over to the people and leave. Sometimes we will continue to retain a troop presence as we have in Europe but again it is not controlling. It is there to stop aggression by others. But too many in the world want to take over and don’t like the fact that we are there to stop them. Since WWI the world has been less changed than any previous time in history – because we insist upon it. (You can’t conquere Kuaite because you are mad at them! That is their country!) Unfortunately we tend to spend too much money in such places (as we are doing in Iraq) to try to get them to be just like us.

      These are two of the major reasons we aren’t liked.

      • Roger

        You have only confirmed my inference about Americans not knowing their history and you are a perfect example.

        Further I was not talking about Ameicans being liked or disliked..your conscience must be truly bothering you on that one!

        You have missed the TOTAL point of my comment..but I fogive you as just another victim of the American UN-Education system

        Sorry but I do not “suffer fools easily”

      • Karolyn

        I like what you said, 45, especially about the arrogance of the American people. That’s the first thing I thought of in pondering why “they” don’t like us. They believe we think we are better than everyone else, and our way is the only way. Little do they know the differences that divide us right here in our own country.

        With regard to famine in Africa, I saw some reports of the Somalis trekking to refugee camps in Nigeria and mothers dying along the way because they gave whatever food they had to their children.

        • 45caliber

          Some do. It is hard to let a child die. But the next time you see a news report of some famine there, look at those coming in for aid. The young adults are thin but healthy. It is the smallest child who goes first.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          We are better than anyone else. The American people have carved a paradise out of a wilderness. Using our God given freedoms and abilities America has become the beacon of hope for the rest of the World. The question is will modern and future Americans maintain this birthright or will we fall into the long list of has-been nations.

  • James

    9-11 was one of the battles here in WW4. WW4 started in 1979, when the Persians attacked our Embassy. We have fought many battles all over the world since that time. Mostly military casualties, no one really noticed until 9-11 occurred and we started taking civilian casualties. Just wait until Egypt, Syria, and Libya start showing their true leadership and start acting up. We have not seen anything yet.

  • John Q.

    Actually, I think Ben Crystal is horribly wrong. The ‘terrorists’ are succeeding admirably. They are destroying us economically, by getting us burdened down in endless wars.

    • Aniko

      It’s not the wars that are getting us bankrupt but the idea that socialist/communist style government is something to aim for. Distribution of wealth is where the wrong thinking is! It is unnatural to think that we are all entitled to the same outcome whether we work for it or not.

      Wars were, are and will be part of humanity, because humans are conditioned to compete! In any competition there are winners and losers. Losers will always try to overcome the winners by compelling another fight for supremacy.

      Peaceniks are convinced that if we are “nice” and share our toys, bullies will have no reason to be what they are. Peaceniks are convinced that mankind is sinless, not greedy and covetous. Thank God, the vast majority of Americans is not naïve and knows when to hit back and hit hard!

      G.W. Bush’s vindication is coming via the Obama and his foolish, redistributive and rhetorically “peace loving” administration. G.W. Bush was the crucified president of the 21st. Century and his detractors apparently didn’t get enough satisfaction, so they are still throwing their venomous darts at him! When will there be enough?

      G. W. Bush is a good man, and was the best president we could’ve had at the time the evilest religious fanatics tried to destroy us. Sadly, way too many Americans still can’t see this and cannot give him his due respect and gratitude. Under such conditions, unfortunately the Obama-like naïve usurpers of American power will have to continue, until we wake up and see clearly the difference between good and evil!

      • Libertarian


        we all have our opinions, but FACTS speak for themselves.

        Check some of the short video clips’ links I poseted above.

        • Karolyn

          Aren’t facts also manipulated according to the agenda of the person presenting them?

  • Almerin

    It is amazing that there are so many conspiracy theorists signing into this blog. A seemingly improbablly high number. Another kind of conspiracy? Jacques Cuse and several other commenters remind me of the group in Europe: (Written in French.) Deniers all. But their numbers here are far too many to be anything but a statistically significant happening.

    (Too many of the comments posted here do not represent current conservative American thought. I wonder if they may be ganging up on this and several other conservative websites, foolishly trying to befuddle those incapable of critical thinking.)

    Our real enemy is those Muslims and their camp followers who would turn Islam into a weapon of war. They are impatient for our hearts to turn to their “god”; Rather they would kill those who are slow to turn and try to frighten the rest of us to “believe” their narrow, sick ideology.

    • mikeg

      There are extremists in every religion that are our enemies. These are the people that are trying to kill us while staining the name of Islam. These are the people that try to infiltrate our government with their religion, claiming that its for our own good. These are the people that are trying to dismantle the Bill of Rights, yet claim they are the ones that are defending the Constitution. It amazes me that so many people don’t read it and don’t know it. It plainly says in the first line of the First Amendment that the government will not promote any specific religion…

  • Peter Van Zyl

    Hi Guys,
    As a white african born third generation in Africa, I think that I am able to post a comment.Africans/ Moslems DO NOT THINK the way that we do!!!
    Life is cheap,and inflicting Death/ Destruction on those who are “above” you is standard practice!!Where nthe “GOSPEL” goes there is civilization with all its perks, but where the population reverts to ANCESTORS/ gods other than JESUS exist, savagery and basic inumanity towards other flourishes.
    Do you thionk that the THIRD world REALLY cares what Americans think???? They hate you as you are perceived WHITE ( as are we ) and we are also hated in our Country because we are white!!
    In fact they think that we are all superflous to the greater schemme of things, so “kill some more”!!

    • 45caliber

      I know exactly what you mean.

      I had a professor in college once tell the class that Americans were stupid when it came to diplomacy in other countries. People think differently. Americans tend to picture what they would do in some situation and then ASSUME that the other people would do the same – even though they have a different culture, different religion, and different experiences than we do. Until America starts to make an effort to understand how the others think, we shall always be wrong. And because we think they would do the same thing we would do, we tend to tell them what to do as if it is the only correct thing for them to do – which no one likes.

      • mikeg

        Exactly. Well said.

      • Kate8

        Peter and 45 – Good posts.

        This is what liberal America just can’t understand. They think we can all just hug and sing kumbaya, and everything will be all love and light.

        People in Muslim and Asian nations have an entirely different mindset. In fact, they see us as weak fools. The only thing they respect is strength. And they see love and tolerance as weakness.

        This insistence on the part of liberals to always stand with those they perceive as the “underdog” is going to get us all killed.

        • 45caliber


          I’m not certain that the libs simply want to stand with the underdog. I’ve always felt that their real problem is with us conservatives.

          If someone else also dislikes the conservatives or if the conservatives insist someone else is bad, then they feel that they can gain help by supporting the ones the conservatives don’t like or who don’t like us. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

          The REAL problem I see with that, is that their “friend” is still their enemy. They simply cannot believe it even as it is proven to them. “How can he hate me? I’m agreeing with him that the conservatives are bad!”

          • Kate8

            More great points, 45. I’m sure there is a large heap of that element involved.

            Having assiciated with liberals in my younger days, though, I’m not sure we even had a political viewpoint. Youth just love to hop on the bandwagon of some cause. It’s largely a social thing. Most of the time they have no understanding of what forces are at play in their “causes”. They love to “untie” with the likeminded and feel that they are doing something meaningful, while having fun, as well.

            Liberals tend to identify with those who are generally shunned by polite society. They have “empathy” and “compassion” for the “misunderstood”. Youth have always rebelled against the status quo, anyway. All it takes is some Leftist “organizer” to rally them to action.

            The thing about many liberals is that they don’t ever really grow up mentally. (Some do, but it’s the exception.) As they get older and need to think about priorities, and they get more politically “informed”, the ideologies come more into play. The obvious next step is to enlist the support of all those who benefit from prostituted politicians, and go to war against the opposition.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        That’s the modis operendi of our State Dept.

  • ruth

    Actuality 9-11 was the worst mistake Muslims ever made… That day marked the beginning of the end for Islam….After 9-11 many people investigated the Koran and found it to be in total opposition to the Bible…which incidentally means the Allah creature is schizophrenic…And we began telling the entire world thanks to the internet..The only thing Islam cannot survive is the truth. Goodbye Muslims…

    • Bob

      Ruth, I’ll mostly agree with you. I’ll offer another opinion as to who Allah is. I say that Allah is NOT the same God of the Bible, but is actually Satan. There are many discrepancies with the Bible, in the Koran, and no predictions. The Bible has thousands of predictions which have come true. Allah is NOT the same God of the Bible, therefore I believe that he is Satan.

      • mikeg

        So ever Muslim is a Satan worshipper? lol. You guys are too much. This is exactly what the powers that be want…a war among religions to thin the herd. Make everyone kill each other, so you’re left with a a couple hundred Million people worldwide and there is no longer any resource scarcity.

        • Bob from SoCal

          Resource scarcity is a myth that everyone has bought into. The entire population of the Earth would fit into the state of Connecticut. Every person would only have 19 sq. ft. to themselves, but you get my point.

          • mikeg

            Fitting into a physical space is not the same as living with proper shelter, food, and water. There aren’t enough natural waterways to support the Earth’s population. Nearly all of Phoenix’s water has to be trucked in, is that area sustaining its population? If de-salination technology wasn’t so energy intensive, it would be a different story.

          • Bob from SoCal

            Hello mikeg,
            We have the technology to support the planet. Its the greed, corruption and evil that is holding us up.

          • Kate8

            Bob – I agree. Our water is running short in America because of overpumping. It is being sold to China and other countries, pumped into huge tankers and shipped overseas.

      • Bob from SoCal

        Allah is the moon god from ancient Babylon.

        • Bob from SoCal

          If anyone wants a valuable resource site on many religious and nonreligious subjects such as Allah, go to

      • Kate8

        Bob – I believe that you are correct on that. There are also many former Muslims who admit that, as well.

        The Mahdi is non other than the antichrist. He is also known as Abaddon, Apollo, Osiris, Nimrod and other names, and has been prophesied to return to return to make war and rule the world.

        Read Revelation 9:ll. This is what is symbolized by 9-11. It is not coincidence.

    • mikeg

      Too bad you’re mislead.

      You shouldn’t believe everything you read on the internet. Research things by yourself and you start to really see that we’re all being pitted against each other, including the blogwriters on this site. Its nothing more than to create a kneejerk response to steer you in the direction of one political party, one religion, one method of government, or another. Don’t believe everything you read/hear. Research it for yourself and you’ll find the devil is in the details.

  • robt shrugged

    and what is your reply?

  • robt shrugged

    I believe the people in america have been dumbed down to believe in government as the savior, instead of the oppressor of the people. I remember when I could say what I wanted and not fear that I would be put in jail for what I said. even though we have a right under the constitution of free speech we are now told we cannot asy what we want because that is hate speech. Ben Franklin was asked about it and said if someone wishes to say vile things to me I would go up to him and punch him in the nose. you are responseable for what you say so be careful what you say for speech of assult could result in a punch in the nose. Franklin knew that you can not codify everything so common sense will correct that which is presented in different venues. I do not recomend that you go out and say something that will cause a fight, but when you what you say can cause you physical responde you will cautiously speak civilally to others. our founding fathers were wise men who knew you could make laws for everything, but the laws would create volumes of books that are not necessary in a civilized society. they at that time had duels to settle non legal disagreements and there were few for people knew that the end result and disagreements were few but they were some, and you see that freedom worked. but you have some people who want to control people and you see freedom lost. we are today in my opinion a lawless society with few freedoms left to us. let us return to the system of the original constitution. then we had true freedom.

    • 45caliber


      I agree. In fact, I’ve stated several times that I believe if you want a really polite and nice people, you should make it a requirement that everyone carries a gun. After all, if you KNEW that the person you were talking to had a gun you would be a lot more careful to not offend him.

      • Bob from SoCal

        If it was the case that I knew that everyone was carrying a firearm, I probably would not talk to very many people that I didn’t know. There are to many hot heads out there. Just driving on the L.A. freeways proves that.

        • Nomadr

          True Bob, but the hot heads would think twice before accosting or attacking someone whom they new had a gun to defend themselves if they had to!

    • Popeye

      In 1834 the Italian revolutionary leader, Guiseppe Mazzini, enticed an American General named Albert Pike into the Illuminati. Pike was fascinated by the idea of a one-world government.

      Between 1859 and 1871 Pike (himself a Freemason, also wrote the authoritative “Morals and Dogma” for Masonry) worked out a military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world which he considered would forward the quest for one world government to its final stage in the 20th century. Pike’s plan was as simple as it has proved effective. It called for communism, Nazism, political Zionism, and other international movements to be organized and used to foment three global world wars and at least two major revolutions.

      Pike foretold all this in a statement he made to Mazzini on August 15, 1871. Pike wrote that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world domination will provoke the greatest social-cataclysm the world has ever known. Quoting his own words taken from the letter he wrote to Mazzini and which letter is now catalogued in the British Museum in London, England; he said:

      “We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of the world revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

      In the final phases of Pike’s plan the one-world government will consist of the king/dictator (the head of the United Nations), the CFR, and a few billionaires, economists, and scientists who have proved their devotion to the great conspiracy. All others are to be integrated into a vast conglomeration of mongrelized humanity; actually slaves.

      Four major steps were required by Pike’s plan:

      1. Most important, was to acquire control of America’s money system.

      [NOTE: Jack Kennedy, during his term of office as the President of the United States, became a Christian. In his attempt to "repent," he tried to inform the people of this Nation (at least twice) that the Office of the President of the United States was being manipulated by the Illuminati/CFR. At the same time, he put a stop to the "borrowing" of Federal Reserve Notes from the Federal Reserve Bank and began issuing United States Notes (which was interest-free) on the credit of the United States. It was the issuing of the United States Notes that caused Jack Kennedy to be assassinated.]

      2. Find men who, for a price, would be willing to serve as their “handlers’” stooges and promote them into high places in our federal government, our Congress, and the U.S. Supreme Court, and all federal agencies.

      3. Create minority group strife throughout the nations; particularly between the whites and blacks.

      4. Create a movement to destroy religion in the United States; but Christianity to be the chief target.

      I’m not a “right wing, conspiratorial nut case,” but this information is solid. No doubt may of you will think otherwise, but it seems pretty clear to me that each of these steps has been achieved and together have brought us to our present national dilemma!

      • Jay

        Popeye, that’s a piece of history every red-blooded American should acquaint themselves with. That blueprint is being implemented right under our noses, as we speak! The piece you posted should go viral! Good work!

        • Kate8

          Popeye – Good work. This has been ongoing and too many Americans have fallen into this trap.

          I know that you got the wrong impression of me, but I am very much a follower of Yeshua. I just don’t subscribe to mainstream religion. Remember, scripture tells us that the number of the harvest is small.

          BTW, did you know that any church who holds a 5013C is not legally a church, but a quasi-government corporation?

          By accepting this exemption, churches have sold out to…guess who?

          • Jay

            I’ll back you up on that Kate, and state, that mainstream religion has been infiltrated, and is in complete control of the NWO satanic, useful idiots! They are prepping, and leading the unsuspecting to embrace the new age, satanic religion! Pantheism, Environmentalism, Socialism, Self-worship, and ultimately to pledge allegiance to tyrannical, god-less state! As much as the left claims to abhor the idea of the mixing of church and state, the fact is, that is exactly what will happen. But it will be a union of a totalitarian state, and a peculiar, and alien religion! Anti means, instead of!

          • Popeye

            Kat8 & Jay: Thanks. I fully anticipated getting flamed over what I posted. I came across that information more than 35 tears ago and haven’t seen it since. I do have a copy of Pike’s “Morals and Dogma” and, overall, it’s pretty boring reading if one isn’t a Freemason.

            You can find both the text and mp3 files here:


            Kate8, in an earlier reply to me, you said: “Prior to the Roman church, being called “Christian” was no term of endearment.” You are right about that, but it wasn’t my point. The fact is, your statement that “they weren’t called Christians prior to Constantine” is clearly contradicted by Acts 11:26, “. . . And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.” The point you made about the term “Christians” in that passage being an epithet is moot.

            It was actually nothing more than a passing comment on my part. I didn’t intend to make a big deal out of it. I’m more than willing to drop it and continue in a friendly tone.

            BTW, I apologize for the shot about you having an agenda. I have had some pretty sorry experiences with some Messianic believers and I mistakenly lumped you in with them. Clearly, I don’t know what YOU believe other than what you posted above. Please accept my apology – I was out of line.

          • Popeye

            Kate8: “BTW, did you know that any church who holds a 5013C is not legally a church, but a quasi-government corporation? By accepting this exemption, churches have sold out to…guess who?”

            No, I was completely unaware of it! Thanks for enlightening me! My church is denominationally independent but that doesn’t mean that our leadership is even aware of it. BUT, trust me, I’ll find out!

            I’m one who has moved outside the typical flow of mainstream Christianity for most of the last 35 years because, for the larger part, they’re as phoney as a $3-bill. Several posters in this forum have expressed revulsion toward organized religion and I share in that sentiment. At the same time, I recognize and rejoice in the fact that it’s okay for me to risk everything on Jesus Christ. I can trust Him implicitly and rely upon Him exclusively! He will never let me down and He will never sell me out like our political wimps and traitors today.

  • Mark Are

    The GREAT AND WONDERFUL OZ has spoken. Now, put on your emerald colored glasses and go about your wonderful lives in the land of OZ…and for you that refuse to put them on, and that have seen OZ as a land that is DUNG BROWN, well, you guys go home and take your toys and those that love the WIZARD can keep up the rule.

  • robt shrugged

    mark are your shure?

  • chuckb

    when the bolsheviks policies fail and they are removed from power, then the cry comes up, “compromise” and unfortunately we have these weak kneed republicans that are anxious to concede to them. then when the action fails, the bolsheviks blame the weak kneed republicans, round and round we go. don’t be surprised madam pelosi will regain the speaker of the house position come 2012. we have voted in the same old wimpy republicans we thought we voted out.

  • Former Walmart person

    Silly sheeple, patriot act is for you.

  • Former Walmart person

    And how exactly has this positve score board helped us? Sure, we killed a million Iraqis includding women and children, of whom, I suppose maybe 20% optimistically could have been terrorists, but what have these silly, atrocious wars won us? What have we “won” in return for all of our under 30 year old sons comming home in body bags? All that gas from Iraq? Gas prices are higher then ever! Stability in the middle east? The middle east is a powder keg. Fianacial stability? Our country is beginning the second great depression. I don’t know the real reasons we are fighting these wars and I don’t know if 911 was an inside job or an outside job done by men in cave. All I do know is the only people who have benefitted from all this hoopla are big wigs in the military industrial complex and in big government. I have yet to receive any “spoils of victory” from these wars.

  • Bob from SoCal

    You people should start looking into what the 911 truthers have to say. There is evidence that some of the 911 hijackers were trained to fly on U.S. military bases. Anwar Al-Alaki Alqueda’s #2 guy was discovered having lunch with generals at the pentagon 3 months after 911. Cheney gave orders for NORAD to stand down on 911. Check out the evidence that Architects and Engineers for 911 truth has to say on the net. Weaponized nano-thermite was used as well as explosives were used to take down the World trade center. This evidence was gathererd through scientific discovery. Check it out and open your eyes people.

    • Popeye

      Bob from SoCal, I can’t speak for others but I have researched a significant number of “truther” web pages, blogs, videos and such. I have copies of Loose Change I & II and a huge folder of video downloads. I am one who labors to be aware of my prejudices and biases for or against any subject I approach in an effort to minimize those tendencies for the moment so I can be more objective; after all, none of us can entirely eliminate the influence of our bias and prejudice, but it does help objectivity to make an effort to minimize their impact upon our. Having said that, I came away with a huge headache and some serious problems with much of what they had to say because, upon follow-up, some of the information had been shown to be false. Granted, there remained a significant amount of information that, for all appearances, was both true and troubling. So, in the end, I had to step back and attempt to digest the info and make another attempt to sort it out.

      Please understand that I’m a guy the served most of my adult life in military service from well before the Cuban Missile Crisis to far beyond the evacuation of the U.S. Embassy in Saigon. I love our military and I love my country. The thought that the scumbags in power under ANY political administration in Washington, District of Criminals, making any kind of false flag attacks upon our own people disturbs me greatly. Yet, I know there are many of them who are fully capable of that kind of thing – ESPECIALLY under the present administration of Ali Obama & His Forty Thieves! So I keep my ear to the ground and do my own research relative to current affairs as well as history and try to maintain a healthy skepticism in all things. That’s about the best I am capable of, I suppose. However, I am prepared for the worst.

      Pray to God and keep your powder dry!!

  • robt shrugged


    • 45caliber

      Deep subject.

  • robt shrugged

    I will tell you we are really becomming a democracy of marxists who believe dictatorship over the people and eliminating our constitution and our religious foundations replacing them with atheistic doctrine and indoctinating the people with everone reporting anyone who is religious, constitutionalist and values orinted…do you want to live under this kind of country?

  • robt shrugged

    by the way you people on the fence you better get armed and find a constitutionalist or a tea party member who knows about gun club to help you learn to defend yourself and family. there is no other choice.

  • Edmund Jones

    It is a waste to wage against your enemies if you do not intend for them loose or retreat permantly ! To wage war helf heartedly is to help your enemy defeat you !

    • 45caliber


      They don’t worry about an enemy. Those are only fools that can be destroyed if they wish. The whole idea of war is to get the military out of the country and to keep the people’s attention on the war rather than what they are doing here. It is also a way to help the economy since we’d be exporting a lot of goods (ammo). As far as they are concerned, it is a win-win situation. And when they want the military somewhere else, they pull out. It doesn’t matter who or how many are killed. They are simply following whatever plan they have.

      • Jay

        45, presently, there are approximately 450,000 foreign troops on American soil. The majority, Chinese troops! Moreover, witnesses have observed the unloading of some rather serious fire-power, and heavy duty equipment. It seems the “Lender, now Landlord”, and “Owner” of property, is here to either enslave , or to evict! People had better wake up!!!

        • Kate8

          Jay – According to Lindsey Williams and others, as well, something really big is planned to go down very soon.

          I posted a link below.

          • Popeye

            I have dug pretty deeply into this and it is truly frightening. What I would consider to be enemy troops from many nations have been going through training at Ft. Bragg and many other U.S. military installations across the country. I have seen photos of train, hundreds of cars long, transporting UN military equipment through Michigan and other places.

            Check out these Alex Jones’s postings:

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            The post below is from Wednesday’s ‘The International Forecaster’:


            Terror threats appear to be on the rise as FEMA has rushed a $1 Billion order of dehydrated food in the event of attacks on domestic targets in the US.

            This is also coming on the heels of one of the largest terror drills performed by the US Navy on American soil, as Operation Solid Curtain is taking place this week.

            In an article Tuesday from the Beaufort [South Carolina] Observer, many of the largest suppliers of dehydrated foods in the country are dropping their distributors and customers to dedicate their resources to supplying a billion dollar FEMA request and purchase.

            One of the nation’s largest suppliers of dehydrated food has cut loose 99% of their dealers and distributors. And it’s not because of the poor economy. It’s because this particular industry leader can no longer supply their regular distribution channels. Why not? Because they’re using every bit of manufacturing capacity they have to fulfill massive new government contracts. Look, the government has always been a customer of the industry to some extent. But according to our sources, this latest development doesn’t represent simply a change of vendor on the government’s part. It’s a whole new magnitude of business.

            And that’s not all.

            Apparently, even though they’ve cut off their regular consumer markets, the industry leader I’ve just mentioned still can’t produce enough survival food to meet the government’s vast requirements. How do we know? Earlier this month, FEMA (the Federal Emergency Management Agency) put out a Request for Proposal, or RFP, for even more dehydrated food. The RFP called for a 10-day supply of meals – for 14 million people. That’s 420 million meals. Typically, FEMA maintains a stockpile of about 6 million meals. Why the sudden need to increase the stockpile by 420 million more? (And that’s in addition to whatever our aforementioned industry leader is supplying.) It almost seems like they’re trying to stock a modern day “Noah’s Ark,” doesn’t it?

            Single functions or events such as FEMA requesting a purchase of survival food might not stand out as peculiar when it is their responsibility to ensure they are mission ready for unforseen events in the US, but couple this with other pieces of the puzzle, such as the Navy drill of Solid Curtain, which is intended for: nationwide “drill” involving all military, and it’s a drill based on a severe terrorist attack.

            And the public had best be aware of something major potentially occurring on our soil in the near future. Global events across the world such as the revolutions and protests, the rising spike in oil, the falling dollar, food shortages, and unrest in Wisconsin and Ohio, are bringing us to the point where crisis may take place, whether from domestic or foreign sources.

            Terror alerts have been raised by FEMA in the past month, and this new special order of dehydrated food, at the magnitude of $1 Billion dollars in taxpayer money, should be a call for everyone to prepare on your own for any potential crisis.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    There should be a peace conference held in Mecca with Hillary, Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, BO and staff, representing the US and setting across the table would be all the Taliban and al Kaida leaders.
    Once the conference is underway Arc Light the place. Collateral damage is encouraged.

  • AJ

    9/11 was a NWO job so the Patriot Act could be usherd in.
    Was Bush involved? He was told to go sit in a school class
    room and read to students by the globalist elite. Inother
    words stay out of the way.

  • FreedomFighter

    Note: Obama is pushing race war. Obama is poison.

    Im part Cherokee Indian, so dont start with the whitie stuff. I see it coming, the signs are visible, IMHO Obama and company are playing the race car to divide the country, cause chaos, to facilitate our enslavement to the NWO.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • 45caliber

      Divide and conquere.

      I’m eighth Cherokee and eighth Iraquai.

      • Karolyn

        45 – Did you mean Iroquois? I never heard of Iraquais.

        • JLC

          Karolyn — It could be that “Iriquais” is what his people call themselves! My father was full-blooded Apache, who call themselves “Ndeh,” and their language “Ndeh biyahti.” I suspect that you have never heard of either of them, either, under those names.

    • Alex

      “Obama is pushing race war.”—please explain…

      Since he (like every single one of us!) is of mixed heritage, on whom is he laying his bet? Surely not the African-americans. As they comprise, what, twelve or ten per cent of the population, they would surely be the losers of your ‘race war’, so he must, in your fevered and frightened brain, be pushing the White agenda, right? You are amazing….

      • Jay

        We should not focus on the Dummy, or the Puppet, obama. Rather, the Ventriloquist, the Puppet Masters!!! In the grand scheme of things, obama is Insignificant, a Tool!

      • FreedomFighter

        Sample: do your own research please, I do

        —–The brutality in Denver is disturbingly similar to violence occurring elsewhere, nationwide. In the last few months alone, a young white lady named Shaina Perry was taunted and beaten in Milwaukee. A young white man named Carter Strange had his skull fractured by a mob in South Carolina. Dawid Strucinski was beaten into a coma by a mob in Bayonne. Anna Taylor, Emily Guendelsberger, and Thomas Fitzgerald were beaten and kicked to the ground in separate Philadelphia flash mobs. Every weekend in July, mobs have attacked in Greensboro, NC. In a mostly-white suburb of Cleveland, witnesses reported large groups of “teens” walking through the streets, “shouting profanities and racial epithets,” and one man was viciously beaten while leaving a restaurant with his wife and friends. In all of those cases, the victims were white and the attackers were black.—–

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Jay

          Careful now FF. Your going to get all the left-wing, anti-racist, knuckleheads frothing at the mouth, and yes, they will engage in personal attacks. Of course, when one considers the brutality at the hands of these, disenfranchised, “Black Youths”, who are nothing more then the product of the fear, and war-moungoring main stream, fascist media machine, the first impulse is to retaliate. But this is precisely the response that the NWO whores are hoping to exact! Should they succeed, could martial law be far behind?

  • DaveH

    For those who wonder how could Government sacrifice 3,000 lives on 9/11 to achieve their goal (whatever it was)? Consider the fact that about 2400 lives were sacrificed at Pearl Harbor so as to give FDR the excuse he needed to get into WW2:

  • PhaulGuy

    Judging by most of these replies, we have become a nation of whackos. Ever since 911, we have been continually “doing it to ourselves.” Fingerpointing, accusations, blaming, ridiculing…insert your own adverbs. We need to, once again, get on the “same page” as Americans first, believe in and support our nation’s leaders, respectfully disagree if we cant agree and “compromise” (when possible) to move our country forward. The militants havent won yet, but they are getting awfully close. I ‘love’ this country but we have to get over being “full of ourselves.”

    • Popeye

      PhaulGuy says: “We need to, once again, get on the “same page” . . . believe in and support our nation’s leaders” . . .and “compromise” (when possible) to move our country forward.”

      PhaulGuy: Forget it, Buster Brown! There ain’t now way this old destroyer sailor is gonna get on the same page with Obama and his ilk. Get real, friend – there’s no such thing as “compromise” with that slug! He’ll have it his way or retaliate like the schoolyard bully he is and always has been. He’s a Marxist to the bone and a Muslim at heart. Besides, the old adage that politics is the art of compromise, while true enough in today’s government, is moral, ethical and political BS and betrayal! Your “compromise” is what has brought us to the brink of this national crisis we find ourselves embroiled in today!

      True patriots will stick to conservative, Biblical, constitutional principles of good and LIMITED government; we will dig our heels in and refuse to compromise with the thieves, thugs and murderers in the District of Criminals and NGOs. We did it at Lexington and Concord; we did it at Iwo Jima and Guadalcanal; we did it in Germany and Japan and a multitude of other places around this world and we’ll by God’s grace do it again if that’s what it takes! This is OUR country and we will take it back! I don’t know about others but I’m thoroughly ticked off with the status quo!

      You submit and “compromise” and “get on the same page” with Obama and “support” him if you will, but you will never find ME within your traitorous ranks. Many of us will be free or we will die! Our children and our grandchildren WILL NOT LIVE UNDER TYRANNY if we can help it!

      “The militants haven’t won yet, but they are getting awfully close.”

      Yeah, Boy Scout, you may be right but “close” only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and atom bombs! The Fat Lady hasn’t even cleared her throat yet! You just hide and watch, Wus. You compromise. We’ll FIGHT!

      “. . .we have to get over being “full of ourselves.”

      I’ll call “BS” on that one, too. Everyday, blue collar Americans being “full of ourselves” as you term it have been the taproot and wellspring – the veritable fountainhead – of American exceptionalism and ingenuity and creativeness – you know – the old “we can do it when nobody else can! mentality that made this nation great and prosperous and free and without which the entire planet would be much impoverished and far more extensively enslaved than it is today. So we much prefer being “full of ourselves” over being “full of the excrement” that bloats you up like the compromising toad you truly are!

      Have a great day, Wus!

      • 45caliber


        I agree with you.

        I remember some years ago that a Japanese stated that the Americans were lazy. The Japanese were not. And he gave an example: If ordered to dig a ditch, a Japanese worker would immediately grab a shovel and start digging. The American worker wouldn’t.

        And he was right – sort of. The American worker would immediately rent or invent a back hoe.

  • Alex

    Here is Mr Crystal serving up his (for now) Big Piece on 911, replete with his usual jabs of topical cookie-cutter humor (Best Buy, Charlie Sheen), all the while continuing the spin of the Reich Wing away from the fact that the Bush Crime Family not only allowed the terror to unfold through negligence but gave up on finding Osama bin Laden and instead tossed 5000+ of your children into the mass grave of Iraq.

    The painful truth this country must face, ten years after the Bush Regime ignored rather specific intelligence indicating that Al Qaeda planned to fly passenger aeroplanes into tall buildings, is that the horrors of that day, the loss of innocent lives, the shock to the collective psyche, cannot be viewed outside the context, to a person who believes in ‘fairness’, ‘justice’, ‘karma’, or God, of equivalence.

    Malcom X very shrewdly pointed out that the assassination of JFK was a sad case of our own “chickens coming home to roost” and was vilified for that comment. The same holds true with the terror of 911. Does that mean that I approve of the terror, or that Malcom was pleased with the Dallas hit? Of course not!

    The point is simply this: You cannot promote terrorism, you cannot create your nation through genocide and theft, you cannot attempt to rule the Earth with violence & Capital—in short, you cannot sow seeds of Evil without reaping same. We had it coming, just like a barroom bully who finally gets his clock cleaned.

    So many of you claim, as does the president, to be ‘Christian’, so you folks must carry the Truth to masses—Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

  • Antonio

    Shame on you BEN CRYSTAL for not telling the truth. People come here for truth and meaning. You spout off about how good our troops are doing fighting and UNCONSTITUTIONAL WAR and how good they are doing killing people who had nothing to do with the whole 9/11 thing. Meanwhile the real masterminds and terrorist are laughing at you right now. How do you feel about that? You just wasted a 1000 words spouting off about a 10 year old lie. If you had some real balls you could have explained to the people here that…
    1. There were 3 buildings not 2, but 2 so called plans hitting 2 buildings not 3.
    2.That those twin towers were SPECIFICALLY designed to withstand the impact of a plan, therefore, if it really were a plan; the building would have NEVER fallen.
    3. If a plan could make the building fall it would have NEVER fallen STRAIGHT down.
    4. Plans are built out of plastics, tin, and aluminum so as to be light enough to fly; so in a few short words a plan is not physically strong enough to cause that much damage to that building.
    But instead you waste everybody’s time here reading nothing but a 10 year old lie! Thanks Ben.
    I have made videos that show and explain the truth you might benefit from them i will strongly advise you to watch them so that maybe you can learn a little.
    This is a link to my 13th part after you watch it look for part 14 at the right and then part 15.
    Best Wishs hope you learn something

    • Jay

      Antonio, awesome video!!! I totally get it. People need to wake up and realize that it is not the political puppets that are shaping the world, but, as Blair said: “Powerful forces”. Powerful evil forces(emphasis added). Humanity is about to meet its mortal foe, in the flesh!

      • Antonio

        Powerful evil forces are exactly what is controlling this world.
        book 1 john 5:19

        By the way, did you ever watch all my videos? If so, i have uploaded a 15th part and i have one more coming by the end of this year.
        God Bless.

        • Jay

          Yes i did, Antonio. As i have not seen you post in a while i did not comment on them. Again, very well done, and, of course, very precise! Btw, i found something that runs along the same path as your video series do!
          You may have seen it, if not, check it out! Its very well done.

          • Antonio

            Well when i was researching the RFID chips i found the inventor to be prince charles of whales and from there discovered their bloddlines. However, have not seen those videos and yes they are great ones!! I love good hard excellent well done videos that show truth and knowledge. Some people really know how to do their homework. Thank you Jay.
            By the way, If you like my videos i will give them to you through IM. If your interested let me know and i will give you an email to contact me. You never know we they are going to shut down the internet so… thats why im offering.

          • Jay

            Yes Antonio, absolutely! I would love to include your videos to my collection. Thank you so much for your kind, and generous offer! You are correct when you express concerns regarding the future of the internet. I share the same concerns. I have encouraged everyone i know to download everything they can to their hard-drives, and to back up all their files. Many political observers believe that if obama is not re-elected, and the American public becomes too aware, and resistant, as seems to be the case, then the NWO machinery will orchestrate a crisis of such proportions as to justify “Martial Law”!

            Speaking of RFID chips, i recently discovered that the chips are actually based on “Alien Technology”. The ultimate purpose of this chips is not so much for the purpose of tracking, although that is one of its purposes, but ultimately, its primary purpose is to modify, or alter the DNA structure of mankind. Its sounds crazy i know, but it all ties in with the ever increasing culture of “Trans-humanism”, or “Trans-genetics”. I have no doubt that you are acquainted with such a movement. I have found a U-TUBE, video presentation that i think you will find most educational!


          • Antonio

            Hey Jay this is my e-mail i wanted to wait untill everybody stopped commenting here before i put my email here
            take care.

          • Jay

            Thanks Antonio!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        You are correct and most notably, among those evil forces is George Soros and his puppet; BO. Mr. Soros needs a head to head meeting with Mr. Hornaday or Mr. Nosler. The sooner the better.

        • Antonio

          @Gunner- where blair talks about the “forces” He is talking about demons/aliens. Those are the ones controlling your world. Soros is just a puppet he is nothing but a puppet.
          keep smiling and researching :)

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Death to the puppets.

  • Ralph Landress

    Karolyn,aug 31 @12:55 PM. You said ‘Allah is not a man , but is God” Type “God” in search and please go to wikipedia and see how many people believe in “Their God”

  • Marlene

    I agree with Ben Crystal that the terrorists failed in dividing us, as a country. Quite the opposite as we bound together with patriotism that’s never been matched in this country. Do you remember all the flags flying from cars and porches, houses and other buildings painted with huge flags? Now, it’s like an imagined memory as I drive down the highway with my car being the only one flying the American flag. The terrorist next move was to send us a trained terrorist to run for president and he has divided us as 9-11 was never able to, and he still divides us daily, turning brother against sister, neighbor against neighbor. He’s the most divisive president this country has ever beheld. His followers deny that saying Republicans are the divisive ones, ignoring every move this so-called man has made – threats, closed door meetings and bribes – to keep us divided. He may well be the most effective weapon this contry’s enemies has ever, or WILL ever use. For whatever reasons JFK and RFK were assasinated, those reasons were minor compared to what this un-American POTUS has done, daily.

  • sal

    what the man is really saying is no matter what you do we will still enjoy our lifes. the rich get richer the players keep playing while your hiding in the hills, just look at the Americanazation of your Woman i would do a few i’ve meet,they look pretty good after you shave them,bath them and dress them up in modern clothes.While your waiting for those virgins i know i’ll be with a few of them, while your still waiting.
    So we offer you Freedom but you want Religious entrapment,i believe ,both it won’t control me.
    Goodluck my friends i want you to go out with this thought’your sister naked laying between my legs,because she wants to.Free Will.

  • John O

    You mentioned Marines in your post. There are Marines, and there are Oathkeeper Marines. Those that know that 9/11 was an inside job will be repulsed by your post. Wake up, know the difference.

  • Jay

    Operation False Flag: A Modern Primer

    Definition: When governments or organizations (usually connected to the former) stage highly sophisticated attacks on their own or foreign soil with the purpose of placing the blame on a desirable enemy foreign or domestic, one who has otherwise done no wrong. Essentially a setup, it provides the government entity with an excuse via fabricated evidence in complicity with media to fulfill its various agendas (i.e. war or law making).

    As false flag operations gain further ground and frequency, the better you know their history, the sooner you can recognize when they are about to happen or as they occur.

    It is a fact that essentially every single war since the Spanish-American War of 1898 has included the use of a false flag operation as an excuse to enter into conflict. The lies have become uncovered after the fact, too late to prevent mass death and destruction.

    As practically the only anti-war candidate, Ron Paul recently pointed out such a fact to the other puppet candidates during a debate. The other candidates are heartily calling for World War III which could possibly destroy the planet by dressing up an Iranian invasion, whereas Paul points out that the Iraq war (which has massacred over one million Iraqis) was based on an utter and complete fabricated lie.

    Obviously, upon discovery of such a lie, the only logical conclusion would be to end the war and persecute the liars. However, the true controllers of this media-complicit false flag operation merely replaced the lie with another more pliable excuse to fool the fluoride-head public, such as the Truman-Johnson-Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-(Clinton) Doctrine of “spreading freedom and democracy” to countries fighting against communism, I mean, terrorism.

    15 February 1898, Cuba, USS Maine (260 dead Americans; 15,000+ war casualties)

    Event: The explosion of the USS Maine in Havana Harbor.

    Fact: The US sensationalist media and government lied, blamed it on Spain and began a “splendid little war” on a false pretext. Spain was later exonerated and “faulty” explosives or ammunition were officially blamed.

    The 1962 Pentagon Operation Northwoods document, rejected by Kennedy, planned to commit similar acts, deliberately blowing up ships, and expending the lives of their own soldiers and civilians in order to provide an excuse for Cuban invasion. The report went on to detail how the terror attacks and false flag operation would be dubbed in the media as a “Remember the Maine” event. This would lead one to allude that the strategists are suggesting the USS Maine incident itself was a false flag operation.


  • Kate8

    Jay – Here is another audio. It’s from a radio interview, so you can do other things while you listen.

    Everything Lindsey Williams has said has come to pass. This is what he says will happen between now and the end of 2012.

    If you don’t know who he is, he was chaplain in the oil fields for the NWO elite, and says they tell him everything they are about to do so he can prepare his family, out of respect for his having worked for them. He denies any prophetic ability.–o&feature=related

    • Jay

      Wow Kate, very disturbing! Its one thing to read Biblical Prophecies, its quite another to watch them unfolding. Watching that video was like reading Revelation Chapter 8.

      1. And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

      2. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

      3.And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

      4. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel’s hand.

      5.And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

      6.And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

      7.The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

      8.And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

      9.And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

      10.And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

      11.And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

      12.And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

      13.And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

      Here’s something interesting that i could never quite understand until i became acquainted with trans-humanism, and trans-genetics.

      Rev: Chapter 6, verse 8: And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

      And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. The last part of the verse, and with the beasts of the earth! What is that? Well, according to Tom Horn, Steve Quayle, and all the others that concur, as do i, the beasts of the fields will be the genetically altered humanity. That being, part human, part animal. Remember “I am Legend”?

      • Kate8

        Jay – Eerie, isn’t it?

        I think you are right about the transhumanism. GMO livestock are themselves suffering from the GMO corn and grain, and the people and animals who consume them are becoming sick and dying.

        GMOs have genes from other species, including humans.

        Bees and other insects are dying from the GMO crops. Of course, insects have a way of becoming immune and coming back even stronger. The destructive ones will (and are already) decimating what surviving crops we have. I just heard that corn is now completely decimated and, anyway, it’s being used for fuel.

  • Void1972

    It is very sad what has happened to this world. Islam has suffered since it’s inception, because of the divide amongst Muslims, but is still the fastest growing cult in the world. Islam is also the fastest growing cult in America, because of all the good black folk in prison.
    Now the one world government is taking out the leaders of every Islamic country. Please tell me how this is possible? Since when is it ok for any nation to remove the leaders of another, or dictate it’s laws on another? In the past, this would be called war.
    So now the one world government is at war with the leaders that have kept their crazed people under control for many decades. Now these crazed people are going to be in control. The one world government must want the crazy people in charge for a reason. Let’s think for what reason?
    Problem, reaction, solution. Lets start a war in the middle east. Should it be between the Muslims and the Jews? No! Why? Because only America would come to their defense, and we would lose. How could America lose? Because we have been getting our azzes handed to us from little useless countries that have nothing, and nothing to lose. What? How can you say America is losing? Well folks, the numbers don’t lie. Over a Trillion dollars and American gas over $3.50 a gallon, we the people lose. Not the one world government, but we the people.
    So once the players are all in line, and each new extreme Muslim leader is in place, then the games can begin.
    The war will be between Shiite and Sunnis, like it had been for hundreds of years before the creators of the one world government gave Israel back to the Jews.
    The world will see oil hit $300 a barrel, and then the real fun begins!
    The one world government has stolen our money in the banking/housing scam, wasted our money and our sons lives on useless wars, and given away our money to useless people on the government dole.
    The bottom line is we the American people have lost, not the crazy, demented people of Islam.
    My hope is after this mess is over, and billions of innocent lives perish, that the new world government comes after the obama with as much evil intent as obama did with his own country. And they will.
    God Bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

    They despise America, because we gave their holy land to the Jews

    • Void1972

      They despise America because we gave their Muslim holy land to the Jews, land that millions of lives have been shortened for, just like we American’s would despise china if she made us give our land back to the Indians.
      I know it’s the Holy land and all but reason is reason. Problem, reaction, solution.
      Doesn’t it say somewhere in the bible, that Israel will be reborn after the Messiah comes?
      This is a massive battle going on in the Jewish community. Just as in every community on the planet it seems.
      Hey, with all the wars, earth quakes, floods, storms, starvation, maybe the good Lord will make another visit to save those who love him, and cleanse the rest of the litter.

      • Kate8

        Void – Actually, the rebirth of the Jewish nation of Israel was to be the sign of the End Times. Israel became once again an official nation in May of 1948, I believe.

        Scripture says that the generation who is alive at this time will not pass away before the Messiah returns.

        That be us.

        • Christin


          We will not pass away because the faithful will be raptured or ‘caught up’ in the clouds with Christ…

          1 Thessalonians 4 :15 -18

          “For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.”
          “After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage each other with these words.”

          But to understand it all more fully one should read verses 13 -18.

  • Greatscott

    If 911 happened the way we were told by the state run news media and uncle sam, I have but one question. Since cell phones do not work at altitudes above 800 feet or so, how did they know box cutters were used to over take the pilots and flight attendants? Come on people, stop falling for the lies and deception, 911 was an INSIDE job. Do your own independent research and turn off the damn boob tube. We are being taken for a ride that is collapsing our country.

    • Clint

      Since when don’t cell phones work above 800 feet? Is that above sea level or above the ground? Does that mean a cell phone won’t work at say an elevation of 4200 feet in the mountains? If so, how did I receive and make a phone call while hiking Mt. St. Helens Windy Ridge earlier this year? Just an FYI Greatscott; cell phones can work and have worked in airplanes as high as 10 miles, the altitude of these planes were not out of the possibility of cell range; even if the chances were low, they were not at all impossible to have taken place. PS – It’s not 800 feet, it’s 8000 feet that some people claim; however that claim bears little weight.

      • Greatscott

        Above the surface altitude of the cell phone tower. The next time you fly, keep your cell phone in your hand watch how fast the signal strength goes to zero. That is of the TSA Nazi doesn’t confiscate your phone first.

  • doc evans

    9/11 was one of the great success stories of modern war fare. An unsophisticated group spent a few tens of thousands of dollars and cost their enemies trillions. Their attack may have caused a crack that will in time doom western civilization.

    A primary purpose of terrorism is to cause fear: in this case, to cause the west to fear and thus hate muslims. This in turn motivates muslims to join the radicals. It would appear to be working beyond Osama’s wildest dreams.

    While our side may be winning the body count at this point the war has hardly begun. In another ten years will we have any influence in the middle east?

  • Clint

    LIke much of what takes place as a result of the USA or in the USA, we will probably never no the whole truth. It’s truly a shame that our world society is so full of corruption, yet sooooo many talk of belief in a power greater than themselves and how important their faith is in their life. What a crock . . . . . too bad so many buy into all this and support those who throw our childrens lives to the wind to support their agenda and those of their friends around the world. When will the people wake up . . . . or are they really happy with all this artificial happiness they are fed daily?

  • Jay

    Compelling UFO sightings videos covered by at least a dozen well known news agencies!

  • Larry

    One of our presidents put it that it was better to be silent and be thought of a fool by a few than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Many comments I have read on the state of affairs in the U.S. meet that criteria. One of the few things I hold onto steadfastly is my faith in God. It is apparent that our leaders, who seem to pop up out of nowhere, to win elections, do not want to follow in the forefather’s footsteps and continue having faith in anything. In fact God is no longer a factor in any decision made by our government body. For the first time ever I did not even bother voting the last election and foretold to everyone I knew that Obama would be the next president whether they voted or not, even before the campaigns were finished. I am not a conspiracy enthusiast but I do know much of what goes on in our government body is completely unknown to us. Greed, corruption of all matters, Godlessness, adulterous affairs, deceitfulness, even murder, has been the fruit of our governing body for many years. All covered by some extraordinary overshadowing event that kept the real story buried. It’s funny so many things would just fall into place like that. Sounds like the workings of a God to have every piece of the puzzle fit so good. I would say that by forsaking our Heavenly Father for the God of this world more than answers the happenings of our government as of late. I have always believed that this country was blessed and instituted by our Heavenly Father and has been a beacon to the world for a long time. But as with all nations who deny that same God are brought to an end. There are those of us who hope and pray for this nation daily. To once again come under the Father for guidence and leadership. To reverse the perversion that has so fervently taken hold of many of it’s people. We left the reign of the British king not to escape religious heritage but to preserve it to it’s believers unattached from the rulers who used it to control rather than to enlighten it’s peoples. Now many claim athiestic attitudes because of the cloud of personal rights and freedom they think exists. The only freedom lies in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. He is real and is alive and there is a God and Holy Ghost and my friends there is an inherent enemy that drives the evil things on earth called Satan. I am sure to be ridiculed by alot of folks on here and I have been called many a name for my beliefs but I speak the truth and stand by it. Some dissentiment towards religion began with our first colonists because of how the British wielded it against them to keep them controlled. David Barton of and a educated historian, tells it best on our great heritage in this country’s birth and first government.
    The blame is ours if any is to be taken for what is happening. We stopped learning and watching and took for granted that our leaders would be honest and rule with integrity. We have always had a voice but have neglected using it only when we thought one of our personal rights had been infringed upon. Now it’s all about whether we should allow same sex marriage and the ten commandments are unconstitutional. Where is the morality of that? Is this what we want to decline to? Compromise what is steadfast moral truths for personal rights? There is a thing called the moral majority. Two heads are better than one philosohpy if you will. As longs as God was in those hearts the majority would be moral yet we keep succumbing to just a few who think their personal rights trump everything! Because of a scratch my back agenda for underlying bills hidden in good policy that become rights for individuals that could never have gotten through on there own. Why is that you ask? Because they would not have met the moral criteria to even be considered by a God fearing government and people. We have the freedom to worship who and what we please and that same freedom belongs to our government also. The separation of church and state theory is a myth. It was never stated like that nor was it meant to deny our leaders their freedom to worship God and follow the teachings of Jesus openly as a part of their lives and decision making. Yet we have come to that because history has been so revised to political correctness (and I use this lightly), it is no longer truth we teach but propaganda. In fact to teach the truth anymore to people absolutely angers them because it conflicts what they have been taught. I can’t count all the times I have been called ignorant and stupid and uneducated for speaking what I know is truth. I know this because I bothered to search for it from reputable sources beyond what is offered mainstream. I suggest anyone to tour the Capitol Builing and read the statues of the honored there and what truth they spoke of. Read some original manuscripts that have been un-doctored by shortsighted revisionists. And lastly seek the Lord Jesus. Read the bible with new eyes and unclamored mind. For where we are headed as a nation as it stands now, it’s the only true hope you have. Stepping off soapbox! Thanks for reading if you made it this far!

    • Void1972

      Very well spoken and honest post. Please read “To Eliminate the Opiate” by Marvin Antlemann.
      This book is extremely well researched and will give you an intelligent insight to the “evil” that
      now controls the world.
      Keep the faith and the fight for truth going!

  • Deus Vult

    Good article….Since 9-11;
    We have made some mistakes and are at each others throats more in some respects too BUT the jist of the article is accurate!
    The Patriots of OUR Republic WILL ALWAYS prevail;…
    We Can/MUST Save the Republic in 2012…NO MORE “resident” (thats NOT a typo!) obama!
    Amateur hour IS over!…time for some grown ups to take the helm and steer the Republic into the future!
    an epitaph for bin laden and his Dangerous THUG-IDIOT followers…
    “You destroyed some; You built NOTHING!…and your legacy will be like a footprint in the sand!”

  • Jimbayala

    Ben Crystal does it again. This moron is young and looks like he works out. Why isn’t he fighting for America with our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan? If Israel went to war, I’d bet he’d have something to say, but again it would be all talk, no guts, no glory, huh Ben?

  • John

    Do you enjoy living in a police state?

    I don’t.

    Once upon a time, the police were generally friendly and trustworthy. You actually wanted to know police officers and be friends with them.

    But today, police in most areas of the country are deeply feared, and for good reason. They are actually taught to be brutal and authoritarian.

    All of this comes from the very top. Prior to 9/11, the Department of Homeland Security, “VIPR teams”, the Patriot Act, body scanners, “enhanced pat-downs” and “fusion centers” didn’t even exist.

    A fundamental shift has taken place in America, and it is almost as if a severe mental illness has infected nearly the entire law enforcement community in this country.

    The “big black boot” that was supposedly going to keep us all safe is actually destroying this country and everything that it means to be an American.

    The following are some questions that you should ask anyone who believes that America has responded to 9/11 in a positive way….

    Is America a better place when all of us (including grandmothers and young children) must either go through a body scanner that reveals the intimate details of our naked bodies or endure an “enhanced pat-down” during which our genitals will be touched in order to get on an airplane?

    Is America a better place now that TSA “VIPR teams” conduct approximately 8,000 “unannounced security screenings” a year at subway stations, bus terminals, seaports and highway rest stops? Should “out-of-nowhere” security sweeps by thugs in black uniforms at transportation centers and public events just be accepted as “the new normal” in America?

    Is America a better place now that the FBI can demand to see your cellphone data whenever it wants?

    Is America a better place now that the Patriot Act allows the federal government to secretly conduct surveillance on innocent American citizens, monitor the electronic communications of innocent American citizens and conduct warrantless searches of the homes of innocent American citizens?

    Is America a better place now that the federal government has a “secret interpretation” of the Patriot Act that they won’t even release to the general public? How can we possibly follow their rules if they won’t even tell us what they are expecting of us?

    Is America a better place when the federal government is so paranoid that it feels that it must issue “talking points” instructing government officials what to say about the 10th anniversary of 9/11?

    Is America a better place when young schoolchildren in New Jersey are being taught to snitch on their classmates and police are being used to crack down on “bullying activity” in public schools?

    Is America a better place when the federal government is so paranoid that they spend millions of dollars encouraging us all to spy on one another? The “If You See Something, Say Something” campaign looks like it could have been pulled right out of an East German security handbook.

    Is America a better place when you must submit a “crop plan” and have your garden inspected by bureaucrats before you can participate in certain farmers markets?

    Is America a better place when people living in this country can be labeled “enemy combatants” just for uploading videos to YouTube?

    Is America a better place now that invisible “pain ray” weapons are being used in American prisons?

    Is America a better place now that state police in some areas of the country are using “extraction devices” to download data from the cellphones of motorists that they pull over?

    Is America a better place now that LRAD sound cannons are being used to break up college block parties?

    Is America a better place now that local police forces all over the country have been federalized and militarized?

    Is America a better place now that local police feel empowered to beat people until they are unrecognizable all in the name of maintaining “law and order”?

    Is America a better place now that police officers are patrolling the halls of our public schools and are beating up our kids?

    Is America a better place now that little children all over the country are being publicly arrested by police in their own classrooms and are being marched out of their schools in handcuffs?

    Is America a better place now that children are being herded like cattle into mass vaccination centers?

    Is America a better place now that the U.S. Department of Agriculture is spending huge amounts of money to install surveillance cameras in the cafeterias of public schools all over the nation so that government control freaks can closely monitor what our children are eating?

    Is America a better place now that lemonade stands run by young children all over the nation are being shut down by police?

    Is America a better place now that large numbers of security cameras have gone up in nearly every major U.S. city?

    Is America a better place now that authorities will pull you over for having the “wrong” political bumper sticker on your car?

    Is America a better place now that the FDA is employing elaborate entrapment schemes against producers of raw milk?

    Is America a better place now that FBI surveillance teams regularly employ warrantless GPS tracking to monitor the movements of peaceful activists – even if they are not suspected of ever committing a crime?

    Is America a better place now that the NSA gathers an amount of information on all of us equivalent to the entire Library of Congress every six hours?

    Is America a better place now that the FBI definition of “suspicious activity” includes making “extreme religious statements” and believing in “radical theology”?

    The sad truth is that America is not a better place after 9/11. We have betrayed our founding fathers and we have cast aside many of our liberties and freedoms because we are so afraid that we can’t even see straight.

    Fortunately, a growing number of Americans is actually waking up. More Americans than ever are tired of being treated like garbage and this is starting to be reflected in recent polling. For example, according to a new Gallup poll an all-time record 63 percent of Americans have a negative view of the federal government.

    Hopefully we will start to see a cultural shift back in the direction of increased liberty and freedom.

    If not, we are in for a total nightmare. If we continue on the path that we are on, this nation is going to become an absolutely horrific place in which to live.

    A totalitarian police state is not going to keep you safe.

    But it will make your life a living hell.

  • Joe

    At 8:50 a.m., four minutes after the first plane struck, Tenet was made aware of the crash and realized it was no accident. Yet there is no indication he made an effort to stop Bush from making a scheduled appearance at Booker Elementary School in Florida, despite the danger he may have been facing were a highly coordinated attack being carried out. Before entering the classroom, Bush paused to speak with then National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. Later, Bush said he learned of the first crash before entering the classroom when he saw the plane crash into the building on television. There was no video of the first crash until much later in the day, and the school principal said there was no television in the area that Bush could have seen anyway. Why this discrepancy? Was Bush lying?

  • Jenny

    How did fires cause two skyscrapers to fall? It’s the first time fire ever brought down a skyscraper, and it happened to three buildings in one day. Why did they pancake down as if in a controlled demolition? If fire weakened the support beams, as the official stories suggest, why didn’t the towers fall to one side or the other rather than pancake down as if in a controlled event? Many engineers and architects at say it could not have happened as we’re told. Why are they being ignored? Better yet, if these architects and engineers are lying about their theories, ask yourself what they stand to gain from lying and what is their motive?

    Traces of an explosive called thermite were found in the rubble of the WTC and melted steel was found beneath the columns. What is the source of the thermite and what caused the steel to liquefy? Burning jet fuel does not reach a temperature high enough to liquefy steel.

    What caused WTC Building 7 to fall?

  • Don Bailey

    Jihadists look forward to having many women when they are martyred for the faith. A couple of years ago, a language scholar says that they are not promised females, but grapes. He says that similar spellings caused errors.

    Why did the world trade centers fall in place ? Newsweek did a detailed article explaining how the specific architecture caused this. A B-24 bomber crashed into the Empire State Building and it’s architecture limited damage to a rather small area..

  • Jim C

    Didn’t Osama Bin Laden say his intent was to destroy the economy of the US? And unfortunately, that seems to be what happened. Oh, and civil liberties of Americans have been restricted.

    Our troops entered Afghanistan, and blasted Al Queda to smithereens in about a month. Bush should have declared victory, and brought the troops home to guard OUR shores. Instead our government decided to break the piggybank doing a nation building exercise in both Afghanistan and Iraq. That certainly contributed to the economic crisis.

  • Slayerwulfe (@slayerwulfe)

    i came across this Bob long after it was over, you said there were no contradictions in the Bible.i challenge you now. the jesus thing said the scribes and the pharases sit in moses seat,observe only what they tell you to observe,Is he saying obey them? Yes/No make your choice.he later say’s the only way to get to the father is through must accept me as the Messiah or you will in no way see the kingdom of heaven. i ask the lawyers and judges should i observe him as the Messiah,”no he’s false” jesus said i have to obey them make my choice for me Robert and you know how much i like you.
    always my best to you slayerwulfe


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